here's the problem, if every car in the united states ran on hydrogen fuel cells and every gas station in the US used these solar powered hydrogen production methods it wouldn't even come close to producing the amount of hydrogen needed to power every car... thats why gas is still being used it's the cheapest method possible, the thing is as we use more gas it becomes more expensive so in 10 years or so this will actually be a viable method of powering our cars along with algea of course!
@GanjaMunchman Yes there was some Hydrogen cars back several years ago. but they were just being tested and the fuel was twice that of regular oil. so you see why they didn't catch on personally I think Bio-Fuel Aka Veg Oil is the way to go. just what the Fast Food Places/Restaurants dumb out could account for half. the other half we can get from corn that's not safe for humans to eat which happens alot with companies that use to much pesticides.....!
@METALMAN4Wii As long as your fine with the smell of french fries coming out of your car and a lot of times into your car as well, fast food oils are great on giving energy. There is also a way to grow gas in your backyard using amoeba. Not sure how it works, but when I seen it , it looked like it wouldsoon take over the bio industry by storm. Google joule unlimited. I think that was the name of the company.
Gonna need some super (probably non existant) PV cells to provide energy for enough electrolysis in a real car. imo it would be better to produce hydrogen via whichever energy source and use it directly for fuel, the PV cells would only add weight to the car.
@Ramiromasters Oh yeah dude, you got me. Oil companies are obsessed with stopping scams. Wow you're from America? And I thought English was your second language. Tell me this then if it is so "proof", why would you bother to convert the energy gained from the sun into a hydrogen fuel cell? When you can use an electric motor powered directly via the sun which will not weigh down the car with a fuel cell and cause inefficient energy transformations.
@Ramiromasters what the ....? Are you really that inferior or are you trolling? It would seem you can not even comprehend my words, so why bother to justify myself.
pure h2o will not conduct electricity. water must have an electrolyte for electrolysis to work. This car does not run on pure water , it runs on a hydrogen powered fuel cell.
@2karriizman Then if tap water has electrolyte, that explains why I can use water as a conductor. 15 vdc 600milliamps, 2 plates positive and negitive. Measure voltage in between and the outer parts of the cell, its about a good 3vdc. I can light a diode from just putting it in water...No electrolyte added by me, must be from the filtration and retrieval station.
@chevy668 It would be a rare thing to find tap water anywhere that is pure H2O.Boil water off in a saucepan and see watt ya get .Do a test useing distilled water.Ya have to be carefull with some electrolytes as they can stink the planet up.
This would make sense if enough hydrogen could be created using bacteria. That would be pretty cool if you could have the bacteria providing hydrogen to your car in your car's fuel tank all day.
so inefficient. just run hydrogen into your standard gas combustion engine with a hho generator.. and you won't end up with these "hybrids" that cant go 200 miles on a full tank and at half the speed of a normal combustion engine running hydrogen instead of gasoline...
p.s. cumbustion engine with hho generator could = 500 miles to 1 gallon of water.. oh right and your not driving a hydrogen bomb like this toy :-\
@9761scott 118 plate generator a guy made put out over 30 litre's a minute easy, its on here, just lookoup 118 plate hho drycell.. My tiny 4" cude size drycell puts out 1.5 to 2 lires a min, its more then possible when all you gotta do is either add more cells, add more plates in the cells, or just increase the size of the cell. No offense taken, Einstein said it best, theres a potential of 30 million gallons gasole's wort of energy in 30 grams of water. We just cant seem to get it out yet.
@9761scott 118 plate generator a guy made put out over 30 litre's a minute easy, its on here, just lookoup 118 plate hho drycell.. My tiny 4" cude size drycell puts out 1.5 to 2 lires a min, its more then possible when all you gotta do is either add more cells, add more plates in the cells, or just increase the size of the cell. No offense taken.
The only way this tech is actually useful for combustion is if water from the sea can be used. Using potable water to run cars is the worst idea ever - water is our most valuable resource, we are first and all organic matter that requires potable water to endure. Using this valuable resource for transport will bring severe danger to our whole existence.
@gabrieldov Using potable water to flush shit into the sea is just as silly and thats watt happens to most of it .If grey water from sewage treatment plants was used to produce hydrogen useing solar powered electrolysis then the oceans would be cleaner .Water is a valuable resource and potable water is becoming scarce due to misuse by humans.Burn hydrogen and the byproduct is water best solution for all the pollution.
@gabrieldov @ 2 things wrong here. HHO forms back to water, so there is nothing lost. Second, Salt water if left unfiltered created chlorine so I've heard. Have yet to test it personally. But wouldn't chance it on a large scale. Chlorine ruins alters our O'zone layer
the solar cell used to "get" the hydrogen also makes enough power to run the car, so yes it would be very expensive to collect enough hydrogen to run a car. I'm sure there are 100 more points why we don't use this yet.
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the oil companies should convert their gasoline factories into solar/wind powered hydrogen factories and all problems are solved, they stay rich and as an added bonus the planet just might live
The problem is that that solar panel is larger than the car. Upsized you would need large energy generating stations (Wind/solar/water). Oh wait, we have those already. So why don't we have this? We do in some places. The new honda FCX for example.
The energy comes from electricity. The hydrogen fuel cell creates less electricity than is is given because it has by products. Water and electricity go in. Water vapor and electricity come out. We can just use plain electricity and not use the hydrogen middle man, and the result is more efficiency.
if you really want to know about this technology search in u tube "Meyer's water fuel cell Part 1". U will begin to understand what lies out there to solve terrible thing we are doing to the planet that protects us. I would also like to tell you something good to tell the global warming skeptics. It took mother nature tens of thousands of years to sequester all of that carbon out of the atmosphere and we are pulling it all back out and burning it up in less that 200 years...
Where does the energy come from? You say making the hydrogen from the water uses less energy than the hydrogen fuel cell makes of it?
Couldn't one split water, "burn" it in a fuel cell and turn it into water again and have some spare energy to use (since the splitting needs less energy than the burning gives)?
They run anywhere from 25-$170 usd. Here is a goggle link. Oh also I have seen this model at a solar show and it works fine. weight/energy ratio seems acceptable. google "hydrogen fuel cell toy car" and see what you get... a great xmas present for a kid that's going to have to clean up after our fossil fuel mess we made..
QUESTION: (I am completely ignorant - don't be upset) Why must we convert the hydrogen-oxygen reaction into electricity through a catalyst? Can't we just burn Hydrogen in a similar way that we burn oil/gas? No Combustion with hydrogen?
I invented a breakthrough source of energy that contradicts the law of conservation of energy. I have a PROOF that there are electrodynamic phenomena that contradict the law of conservation of energy. I am looking for $6M for a prototype and patents.
Why dont you just run the car on the 2 battery's, or stick the solar panel on top of the car and use that to power a DC motor, instead of all that messing around
@hispanicuscorpus I have no idea. I actually have the exact same car, but i got it as a gift from my grandfather. But he's dead...so i can't really ask him.
The fuel cell was discovered in 1838 by German scientist Christian Friedrich Schonbein.Watts so special about this technology??? bugger all when you can run an internal combustion engine on hydrogen derived from electrolysis using solar panels.fuel cells are bullshit .
Why not just use the electricity generated from the solar panel to power the car directly? Of course it is less reliable and generates less electricity, but you don't need the whole hydrogen cell technology-adjusted motor and a charging station.
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the one in the video cost 200 dollars australian and thats compared with a battery powered car of the same size and that does the same thing that you can get for 2 to 5 bucks big difference
@23580578H The only reason common fuel cells (Proton Exchange Membrane or PEM) cost a lot of money is because they rely on expensive materials such as platinum to operate. Solid Oxide Fuel Cells, or SOFCs, are much more efficient and cost effective, but there membranes are made of yttria stabalized zirconia. YSZ can only operate at around 950 degrees Celsius. A solution not very known to the public is to use silicone dioxide (sand) as a membrane. This means VERY low temperature and very low cost
@23580578H Nope Honda makes a fuel cell car called the FCX Clarity. 600 dollars per month for three years is only 21,000 dollars. The Hydrogen though is $5-10 per gallon but can run 60 miles on one gallon
Twice as efficient. In the future we can reduce the price with more fueling stations and we will enter the golden hydrogen age (my opinion probably not others)
@23580578H Everything costs alot of money when it is first introduced...that is why it needs to be perfected and mass produced to be more affordable. Would you rather buy a gallon of gas for $3.50 or whatever it costs, or be able to make your own fuel?
You say you don't talk crap on YouTube? Well, somebody does, as there is nothing new or innovative shown in this video, either physically, chemically or mechanically, it is merely a toy of moderate novelty value. It does not demonstrate or improve on one previously unknown principle. This toy is the chemical equivalent of and same "knowledge value" as a wind up mechanical car.
If people want "respect", firstly they must earn it, not post novelty items as if they were of valid scientific worth.
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I'm not out there talking crap to those who post videos about things...I like to talk crap to those who do talk crap in the first place..just to show them how it feels..but some (like u) are not intelligent enough to catch on :-)
and you are completely right...if you want respect...earn...so go out there and earn it...shut up and be constructive instead of destructive. otherwise you are gonna die accomplishing nothing and all you will have is your own gripes and pride. :-) mmm truth feels good
That is exactly my point, it is not me whining about not having respect. I have the runs on the ground. I retired at 48 years of age on the earnings of my inventiveness.
What have you ever done, you soft headed loser. :-)
Copied the work of others without bothering to read that it is all old inefficient technology, or do some basic maths, convinced that you are going to save the world.
I think your time would be better spent working on your new song,... plink,... plink plunk :-)
If you are going to tell me that Stan Meyer has solved the viability problems of this technology, you can save your breath to cool your soup. He hasn't and costs will get worse as the cost of electricity rises, which it will. Get over it.
no i was just saying that stan meyer had allready came out with this kind of tech in the mid 80s and died mysteriously the next day from food poisining after signing up with the military...
oh and the cost of electricty is irrelevent how much of teslas work have you devled into?
or the simplist of all simplicity of a motor and a ganerater on the same shaft?
Yeah,... Brainstrust, that's why I have one Registered design already in my name, and another pending that I would Patent if I had the money, and i'm not going to mortgage my house to do it.
What have you done to help the environment?
I'm 62 years old and have been retired for 14 years on the income from my research. Learn some science and relevant maths before you next give me the benefit of your great intellect.
oh boy...62 year old man with an attitude and a vendetta...nevermind sir...im not gonna get into it with you..chances are it wont get anywhere...I have enough trouble from my moron 60 year old neighbor who thinks he can do anything he wants..even threaten my life several times claiming to be a former navy seal lol hahaha. one piece of advice..calm down...no need to get a heart attack over youtube...show some respect in these tube forums.
no one likes a grumpy disrespectful old fart who likes to hide his own insecurities by attacking others :-) and I am experimenting with several technologies right now..i dont go on youtube talking crap...i like to see for myself on several of these things...i especially love the physics nerds who claim things aren't possible lol...but doesn't physics teach to try it out? document results....and of the sorts? lol...dont judge my intellect given the fact you know nothing about it old man.
Why don't you be honest and say that you just don't like to be told the truth.
Those physics "nerds" as you call them are the people who know that there is nothing new in this "technology" as the physics and the chemistry involved is very simple and has been known to be uneconomic even if we could achieve the impossible 100% efficiency.
Idiots such as those posting stuff like this think they are onto something new and innovative whereas in fact they are merely "playing in the dirt"
lol and you must be that messiah bringing us the truth..hahahahaha. mmm yes those physics nerds...yes yes...they are most of the time right..hahaha (that was sarcasm if you didnt catch on) i dont see you busting out the videos showing the truth...make some videos discrediting these things and showing the "truth" and maybe you can upgrade to something other than a grumpy old man :-)
myth? the amount of electrical energy supplied by the solar cell is more than the amount of electrical energy supplied by the fuel cell. is that the myth?
Omg.. im so damm sick of ppl saying that is way too expensive to breaxk water in to HHO.....
But, then again im just thinking.... Nuclear power plants... since the mining, transformation of the product, use of the product and after that the storage of the wastes... how much did it cost?????
FREE POWER... no one will be ever able to control water.. thats the only problem with hydrogen....
Once it becomes economically viable you may have a point, however I think that the government will find ways of regulating and taxing it.
One thing I'll guarantee, driving won't get any cheaper, but until then the cost of generating HHO will have to be at least halved to make it an economical proposition
well yes the cost of driving will still be there due to the radio frequency highway tolls that may be implemented eventually.....and to the contrary making HHO gas isnt that hard and it doesnt take alot of energy to do.....hey you know who stan meyer is?
No, it is old technology, and the reason that it has never gone anywhere is that it is currently uneconomic. Simple as that.
Unless of course you are a conspiracy theorist who blames, (cue music from The X Files) The Zionists, or the Illuminati or The oil companies or the government.
Well, you be very pleased to know that I certainly don't have a closed mind, I am the owner of one Registered design and have another one pending that I would attempt to patent if I had the money. Both of these are to do with making cheaper energy available to the public, via recycling, however I am not going to mortgage my home to do it.
I am very sceptical about conspiracy theories. Tesla was a great man in his day, but no better than people like Cockroft etc. I feel he is highly over rated
I'm not sure what you mean by your last question??? My background is in engineering, the generation of steam and it's use.
As for cavitating water heaters I do know that it is very inefficient. It's about the electrical equivalent of running a V8 petrol engine at maximum output just so you can warm your fingers with the exhaust heat. The motor shown in the clips looks to be about 30 HP which is equivalent to 19.4 KW That's a lot of heat.
Yep, it works in the laboratory, but they are not trying to sell their product because no one will buy it with the cost and difficulties involved,... duh!
You seem to have missed one vital point. The car would have probably gone twice as far had you just used the solar panel to charge a battery and run the car from the battery. The hydrogen stage is redundant as you said in the clip, basic physics and a little chemistry will show that generating the hydrogen is less efficient.
It also adds a totally unnecessary and dangerous step to the energy chain.
Have you even begun to look at the economics and mechanical difficulties in using hydrogen? No, of course not. You are one of these dreamy dopes who sits and thinks of possible solutions without knowing what is involved. to do it on a commercial scale.
It's been done, a bus was running on hydrogen in the 70s in SLC. It isn't efficient or economical, however, because the power required to split water into hydrogen/oxygen defeats those purposes.
WOW... a few problems with using this on a real life scale.
it takes a huge amount of energy to break the Hydrogen and Oxygen apart in water seeing as its done via electrolysis this would kill the electricity bill.
then there's the fact that Hydrogen is highly explosive and anything goes wrong you become a suicide bomber.
then there the corporate and government beat down! with need for fuel down the drain corporations and governments will raise tax's and prices and the economy will burn :/
There are many reasons. The main reason is that hydrogen is explosive. The software can not put in the cars. Lower accident will make a explosive.Chtsar topic
You are carrying a temporarily bomb in your car. That is what I think . pec >>>>5***** good job
i think that the reason hydrogen powered cars are not being released is because of money. If people can get there hands on cars that can take simple fuel that can be generated at home than the big oil companies are screwed. they don't want you to know. I'm sure that there are many other simple energy resources that they wont tell us about all because of money and business.
There *are* reasons why this is too expensive and/or impractical. Fueling stations would have to be retrofit, and pumping H2 is not like pumping gasoline. Home H2 generation would tax the grid. California already browns out during the Summer. Home solar installs cost as much as a car. Alternative fuels will replace gasoline some day, but the economics haven't pushed us yet.
Money money jobs creation. I see no problems with this.
Nobody says this will be done over night. As long as we get the technology out there, it will be improved upon. Look at computers. At first, it was $3000 for a lisa home computer. Now, it's $300 for a laptop, incomparably better
Bad example! It takes VERY exotic conditions to power a normal street-driving car in this way. And even then, you'll either get power with poor mileage, or great mileage without good power. Not both. That's why there are no REAL examples thus far.
most of your statements are not true, the technology does work, however i do agree that there are alot of scams out there,just do some research before you call it full of bull.....did you think for a sec. that 30 yrs ago the technology we are using now to post these comments would exist..??? i bet you would have said it's full of bull...!!!
Thee faam in Marche in Italy is a Productor of Idrogen Machine for Factory and industry service, the meccanism is Fuel Cell is not pericolus like a big H2 gas compress. I drive that machne is like an other machine but whit low cost, i remember you that some yers ago was progectet a machine on Compressed Air you think about this??
The fact that the "hydrogen fueling station" can be run on solar power does not negate the fact that it still requires more energy to convert h2o to h2 than you can get from converting the hydrogen back into water. Both activities are lossy and energy is wasted in both processes. If this actually worked, it would violate the second law of thermodynamics.
Still, you can't deny that the toy is a freaking cool application of science!
The point is--> "solar powered hydrogen fuel station" would be cheap..... since sun light is free...atleast in my country it is. We can make loads of hydrogen almost for free... and instead of fueling station we can have a hydrogen gas maker at our very own home and maybe even power homes through a combination of hydrogen fuel cells and solar cells combined.
When you compare the size of the solar panel required to generate that hydrogen to the size (mass) of the car you may find that you are unable to scale that to the size of a normal car. It probably wouldn't be practical to make ALL our hydrogen at home in which case we would have commercial fueling stations, but how big would THOSE solar panels have to be? I could see this as a supplemental power but not the sole power source for a vehicle.
Sorry there, that car is made of plastic filled with air, when scaling to real car size you don't scale just weight linearly, but due to the problems of materials losing strength, a lot more hydrogen would be needed to push a 2-3 ton car (with passengers, seats, brakes, suspension, etc.) so you would need a lot more hydrogen and electricity(and minimize car size) Also, storing and moving hydrogen is highly dangerous.. any crash and your car could easily explode (pipe/tank leak)
Fortunately for me, I am a student of mechanical engineering and i can see where the real problem is. Hydrogen is safe, its as safe as CNG, if not more. Secondly the only issue in this all is efficient production of hydrogen. We don't need more electricity, we only need more hydrogen and more fuel cells, ,which is a one time investment by the way. My final year project is on this, and wish me luck, we'll soon have plenty of hydrogen! :-)
Also solar power is very expensive due to volume (large panels needed, lots of them) and solar panels are also expensive to produce (and the by-products more harmful to the environment than burning coal/gas). That's why city lights, factories etc aren't powered by sun power.. The best "solar generators" are in fact plants' chlorophyll, which create carbon bonds to hold up their structure. Bio-matter compressed over years by weight and sedimentation is called coal or oil - the best saved sunlight
Brother, solar power is expensive, it may even produce hazardous by-products, but its one time, u wont have to burn coal and poisin for another hundered years poisining our atmosphare! and wen solar panels will be mass produced then we'll have them made for a cheaper price, besides already a form of cheaper and efficient solar cells are in market!
hydrogen is the smallest atom, and H2 is small enough to permeate through any material that contains it. It weakens metals causing them to become brittle and they can catastrophically fail. Its not a very easy thing to maintain for daily use.
hydrogen fuel is not an energy crisis issue, it is an environmental issue. It makes absolutely no sense to use hydrogen fuel unless you are going to create the hydrogen from renewable energy sources (i.e. wind, solar, hydro, geothermal)
oh i forgot the reason they don't put these in car is because well lets see, hydrogen is 10x more explosive than gas,hmmmmmmmm....well lets put these on the road and wait for a terriost or a car crash to happen.....whats gonna happen?big,big boom.......large bomb
ok hydrogen is not a free energy source it requires more power than it puts out......including what you are doing here and also.....hydrogen when is released from the chamber emits vapeurs therefore multiply this by millions of times and thats what will happen if it is mass produced and water will go up extensionally.....hydrogen is the most abundent particule in the universe but it is not found by its self you need to extract it from another particule which will take more power than it will giv
accually i do.....to extract the hydrogen from the water, it takes more energy/electricity to make electroysis(splitting of h2O)then what you're getting out of it if you put the electricity into a electric car the same size as that one it will go twice as far...so why don't you go research more before you tell someone they don't know about a subject,i've tryed this before and i have calculated it over and over.....they're is no such thing as over-unity
"so to say that a single solar panel could provide the same ammount of energy, as an explosive 10x the power of a petrol bomb, is pure rubbish" ok with a solar panel you would still be losing because it would be more effiecient to just put that electricity in a electric car......OK NOW READ THIS BEFORE YOU KEEP IGNORING THIS PART!......HYDROGEN TAKES MORE ENERGY TO SPLIT IT THAN YOU CAN GET OUT OF IT!!!THIS INCLUDES SOLAR PANELS AND JUST PLUGGING IT IN A OUTLET....YOU WOULD STILL HAVE FUEL
"OK NOW READ THIS BEFORE YOU KEEP IGNORING THIS PART!HYDROGEN TAKES MORE ENERGY TO SPLIT IT THAN YOU CAN GET OUT OF IT!THIS INCLUDES SOLAR PANELS AND JUST PLUGGING IT IN A OUTLET.YOU WOULD STILL HAVE FUEL"
alot of people keep saying this, yet they dont know WHY. it is true that if you purely use Electricity to power the electrolosis, the output is the same. but to utilise solar power, as he has, nullifies that argument.
and find me an example of a remotly charged solar powered car,like this..
willoolner: Well what they're saying is that it's an extra step. You can use solar panels to charge a battery that you put inside the car and this will run your motor. That's what some car manufacturers are trying to do. Having a hydrogen step in between is merely losing energy on the way (electrolysis produces heat which dissipates into the surrounding air, and must be cooled). More interesting is trying to run the whole car on solar energy (more efficient solar panels, wiring, etc).
it is this easy. there are many efficent ways to power cars but the thing is, is that once somebody comes out with their idea they immediately get bought out by the oil companies.
so its not that we dont have the technology its the fact that oil companies are too damn greedy.
plz say it runs on hydrogen, and not on water morron. know the differents, water:H2O hydrogen H2
rubikfan1 5 days ago
what a piece of crap. Ill keep my money thanks.
2012goingNutz 1 month ago
Thumbs down this video to keep the lie going! ;)
tallicalad 3 months ago
hyde was right :D
aaronwashere100 4 months ago
AND IT RUNS ON WATER, MAN!!!!!
djrouge09 4 months ago
there should be a machine that makes things bigger so toys like that will become normal car size
900strike 5 months ago
Do you know how explosive hydrogen is? You would be literally driving a mobile bomb!
hearmytruck 5 months ago
@hearmytruck thats true but could you imagine a water and hydogen station b00m!
900strike 5 months ago
here's the problem, if every car in the united states ran on hydrogen fuel cells and every gas station in the US used these solar powered hydrogen production methods it wouldn't even come close to producing the amount of hydrogen needed to power every car... thats why gas is still being used it's the cheapest method possible, the thing is as we use more gas it becomes more expensive so in 10 years or so this will actually be a viable method of powering our cars along with algea of course!
drufan 5 months ago
Are you in Seattle.....?
METALMAN4Wii 6 months ago
Would this work on a real size car ??
How many horse power would it have, if u crash the car, would it explode ? :p
Gas price here in norway are fucking retarded ..... /sadface
GanjaMunchman 8 months ago
@GanjaMunchman Yes there was some Hydrogen cars back several years ago. but they were just being tested and the fuel was twice that of regular oil. so you see why they didn't catch on personally I think Bio-Fuel Aka Veg Oil is the way to go. just what the Fast Food Places/Restaurants dumb out could account for half. the other half we can get from corn that's not safe for humans to eat which happens alot with companies that use to much pesticides.....!
METALMAN4Wii 6 months ago
@METALMAN4Wii
Thank you for your explaining. :)
GanjaMunchman 6 months ago
@GanjaMunchman No problem btw if you have Netflix watch a movie called Fuel. it's a great Documentary and they talk about Hydrogen...!
METALMAN4Wii 6 months ago
@METALMAN4Wii As long as your fine with the smell of french fries coming out of your car and a lot of times into your car as well, fast food oils are great on giving energy. There is also a way to grow gas in your backyard using amoeba. Not sure how it works, but when I seen it , it looked like it wouldsoon take over the bio industry by storm. Google joule unlimited. I think that was the name of the company.
jnwpse 6 months ago
Is this technology available for use by the general public?
TheGlobalFCzone 8 months ago
Gonna need some super (probably non existant) PV cells to provide energy for enough electrolysis in a real car. imo it would be better to produce hydrogen via whichever energy source and use it directly for fuel, the PV cells would only add weight to the car.
mattymuck 8 months ago
@mattymuck You work for an Oil company?
I have seen you posting only negative stuff in already proof technology.
Are you obsessed with this videos just to trash them?
Ramiromasters 8 months ago
@Ramiromasters Oh yeah dude, you got me. Oil companies are obsessed with stopping scams. Wow you're from America? And I thought English was your second language. Tell me this then if it is so "proof", why would you bother to convert the energy gained from the sun into a hydrogen fuel cell? When you can use an electric motor powered directly via the sun which will not weigh down the car with a fuel cell and cause inefficient energy transformations.
mattymuck 8 months ago
@mattymuck Is this a joke?
Common man, how pays you to post this 5 year old questions.
And for those 5 year old out there:
If you save a bit of energy over a long time, later you can use lots of it in a short time, to move something big like a car!
Ramiromasters 8 months ago
@Ramiromasters what the ....? Are you really that inferior or are you trolling? It would seem you can not even comprehend my words, so why bother to justify myself.
mattymuck 8 months ago
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@mattymuck Is this a joke?
Common man, who pays you to post this 5 year old questions?
And for those 5 year old out there:
If you save a bit of energy over a long time, later you can use lots of it in a short time, to move something big like a car!
Ramiromasters 8 months ago
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pavlox1 10 months ago
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pavlox1 10 months ago
pure h2o will not conduct electricity. water must have an electrolyte for electrolysis to work. This car does not run on pure water , it runs on a hydrogen powered fuel cell.
2karriizman 1 year ago
@2karriizman Then if tap water has electrolyte, that explains why I can use water as a conductor. 15 vdc 600milliamps, 2 plates positive and negitive. Measure voltage in between and the outer parts of the cell, its about a good 3vdc. I can light a diode from just putting it in water...No electrolyte added by me, must be from the filtration and retrieval station.
chevy668 11 months ago
@chevy668 It would be a rare thing to find tap water anywhere that is pure H2O.Boil water off in a saucepan and see watt ya get .Do a test useing distilled water.Ya have to be carefull with some electrolytes as they can stink the planet up.
2karriizman 11 months ago
This would make sense if enough hydrogen could be created using bacteria. That would be pretty cool if you could have the bacteria providing hydrogen to your car in your car's fuel tank all day.
Thatmakessense356 1 year ago
@Thatmakessense356 There's a metal that does that, I forget what its called.
chevy668 11 months ago
so inefficient. just run hydrogen into your standard gas combustion engine with a hho generator.. and you won't end up with these "hybrids" that cant go 200 miles on a full tank and at half the speed of a normal combustion engine running hydrogen instead of gasoline...
p.s. cumbustion engine with hho generator could = 500 miles to 1 gallon of water.. oh right and your not driving a hydrogen bomb like this toy :-\
Me102288 1 year ago
@Me102288 , it sounds so simple - why dont you show us how its done ?
Can you show me a HHO kit for a car that will produce 7 litres or more per minute ?
Constantly ?
No offence, but there's a lot of people looking, and the only things currently available are 'hybrid' systems - reason being not enough LPM produced.
9761scott 11 months ago
@9761scott 118 plate generator a guy made put out over 30 litre's a minute easy, its on here, just lookoup 118 plate hho drycell.. My tiny 4" cude size drycell puts out 1.5 to 2 lires a min, its more then possible when all you gotta do is either add more cells, add more plates in the cells, or just increase the size of the cell. No offense taken, Einstein said it best, theres a potential of 30 million gallons gasole's wort of energy in 30 grams of water. We just cant seem to get it out yet.
Me102288 11 months ago
@9761scott 118 plate generator a guy made put out over 30 litre's a minute easy, its on here, just lookoup 118 plate hho drycell.. My tiny 4" cude size drycell puts out 1.5 to 2 lires a min, its more then possible when all you gotta do is either add more cells, add more plates in the cells, or just increase the size of the cell. No offense taken.
Me102288 11 months ago
I bought mine for 5 dollars
jafos70 1 year ago
This can be done with SALT WATER???
The only way this tech is actually useful for combustion is if water from the sea can be used. Using potable water to run cars is the worst idea ever - water is our most valuable resource, we are first and all organic matter that requires potable water to endure. Using this valuable resource for transport will bring severe danger to our whole existence.
gabrieldov 1 year ago
@gabrieldov Using potable water to flush shit into the sea is just as silly and thats watt happens to most of it .If grey water from sewage treatment plants was used to produce hydrogen useing solar powered electrolysis then the oceans would be cleaner .Water is a valuable resource and potable water is becoming scarce due to misuse by humans.Burn hydrogen and the byproduct is water best solution for all the pollution.
2karriizman 1 year ago
@gabrieldov @ 2 things wrong here. HHO forms back to water, so there is nothing lost. Second, Salt water if left unfiltered created chlorine so I've heard. Have yet to test it personally. But wouldn't chance it on a large scale. Chlorine ruins alters our O'zone layer
chevy668 11 months ago
the solar cell used to "get" the hydrogen also makes enough power to run the car, so yes it would be very expensive to collect enough hydrogen to run a car. I'm sure there are 100 more points why we don't use this yet.
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KorElement 1 year ago
ilive in auckland, nice shot of our typical weather. was this bought from jaycar?
UBERKron 1 year ago
pure water H2O does not conduct electricty.Electrolysis only works when there is electrolyte present in water.
2karriizman 1 year ago
this is real i saw one at hobby lobby but it was like 150 dollars it was running on water
fgmps 1 year ago
this is real i saw one at hobby lobby but it was like 150 dollars
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the oil companies should convert their gasoline factories into solar/wind powered hydrogen factories and all problems are solved, they stay rich and as an added bonus the planet just might live
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hungarylnnjsd 1 year ago
The problem is that that solar panel is larger than the car. Upsized you would need large energy generating stations (Wind/solar/water). Oh wait, we have those already. So why don't we have this? We do in some places. The new honda FCX for example.
rbandgh3 1 year ago
cool but now we need a shrink ray
Win3000000 1 year ago
where can i buy this car?
n01imitz 1 year ago
@n01imitz i got mine at best buy. future shop has them too
stargate905 1 year ago
The energy comes from electricity. The hydrogen fuel cell creates less electricity than is is given because it has by products. Water and electricity go in. Water vapor and electricity come out. We can just use plain electricity and not use the hydrogen middle man, and the result is more efficiency.
nrayn 1 year ago
if you really want to know about this technology search in u tube "Meyer's water fuel cell Part 1". U will begin to understand what lies out there to solve terrible thing we are doing to the planet that protects us. I would also like to tell you something good to tell the global warming skeptics. It took mother nature tens of thousands of years to sequester all of that carbon out of the atmosphere and we are pulling it all back out and burning it up in less that 200 years...
openbookguy 1 year ago
nice apartment :)
YuTubrz 1 year ago
Where does the energy come from? You say making the hydrogen from the water uses less energy than the hydrogen fuel cell makes of it?
Couldn't one split water, "burn" it in a fuel cell and turn it into water again and have some spare energy to use (since the splitting needs less energy than the burning gives)?
masterxilo 1 year ago
whats the energy footprint of building all the solar pannels ect....
Number1Debasser 1 year ago
They run anywhere from 25-$170 usd. Here is a goggle link. Oh also I have seen this model at a solar show and it works fine. weight/energy ratio seems acceptable. google "hydrogen fuel cell toy car" and see what you get... a great xmas present for a kid that's going to have to clean up after our fossil fuel mess we made..
openbookguy 1 year ago
@openbookguy yup.... us... the next generation... will be stuck with the past generations' messes
oppisiteofafredfan 1 year ago
QUESTION: (I am completely ignorant - don't be upset) Why must we convert the hydrogen-oxygen reaction into electricity through a catalyst? Can't we just burn Hydrogen in a similar way that we burn oil/gas? No Combustion with hydrogen?
DimitrisMPapadakis 1 year ago
I guess that that little car is quite expensive.
wernerkroneman 1 year ago
I believe everything except the bit where i could fit into that little car
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henrykay01 1 year ago
this is just a electric car ffs, you need an actual engine or someting to burn the hho.
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lol?
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jesussuperstar1 1 year ago
Why dont you just run the car on the 2 battery's, or stick the solar panel on top of the car and use that to power a DC motor, instead of all that messing around
quakermaas 2 years ago
@quakermaas Idunno, could the car go anywhere with all that extra weight? and how are you gonna play with it at night?
ninjaturtle11754 1 year ago
where can i get that car?
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alex054739 1 year ago
@hispanicuscorpus I have no idea. I actually have the exact same car, but i got it as a gift from my grandfather. But he's dead...so i can't really ask him.
imapieface 6 months ago
THATS COOL!!!!!!!!
wetowels 2 years ago
The fuel cell was discovered in 1838 by German scientist Christian Friedrich Schonbein.Watts so special about this technology??? bugger all when you can run an internal combustion engine on hydrogen derived from electrolysis using solar panels.fuel cells are bullshit .
2karriizman 2 years ago
yeah but water is better
Vortexmaxime101 2 years ago
Why not just use the electricity generated from the solar panel to power the car directly? Of course it is less reliable and generates less electricity, but you don't need the whole hydrogen cell technology-adjusted motor and a charging station.
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KamikazeKoscki 2 years ago
interesting ,,,,,,,,,but fuel cell cars may cost a lot of money
23580578H 2 years ago 9
hey this is a nice video
and also very illustrating one
nice choice buddy
dhanedhar 2 years ago
the one in the video cost 200 dollars australian and thats compared with a battery powered car of the same size and that does the same thing that you can get for 2 to 5 bucks big difference
CAIDMASTEROFPYRO 2 years ago
@23580578H The only reason common fuel cells (Proton Exchange Membrane or PEM) cost a lot of money is because they rely on expensive materials such as platinum to operate. Solid Oxide Fuel Cells, or SOFCs, are much more efficient and cost effective, but there membranes are made of yttria stabalized zirconia. YSZ can only operate at around 950 degrees Celsius. A solution not very known to the public is to use silicone dioxide (sand) as a membrane. This means VERY low temperature and very low cost
TheNuclearWatermelon 1 year ago
@23580578H but you save a lot of gas and so it will be cheaper when you drive that car for some years. you also dont have emissions...
Bizzy1988ger 1 year ago
@23580578H 15 grand
nubserver 1 year ago
@23580578H shuttt thhee fucccckk up
WallZZZZZ 1 year ago
@23580578H yeh everything costs a shitload when it first comes out. then the prices come down heaps
hurcorh 1 year ago
@23580578H Nope Honda makes a fuel cell car called the FCX Clarity. 600 dollars per month for three years is only 21,000 dollars. The Hydrogen though is $5-10 per gallon but can run 60 miles on one gallon
Twice as efficient. In the future we can reduce the price with more fueling stations and we will enter the golden hydrogen age (my opinion probably not others)
kak672 1 year ago
@23580578H derp derp it burns hydrogen, therefore it isnt a fuel cell
carnage2010 10 months ago
@carnage2010 lol derp? a hydrogen fuel cell isn't a fuel cell?
mattymuck 8 months ago
@23580578H Yes but the lives lost over fighting over oil is worth more than spending less to save money.
Hamesjayward 9 months ago
@23580578H Not more than you will spend on gas the rest of your life.
NinjaWilly7 9 months ago
@23580578H So ? Gas cost a lot of money, even more over time.
RakeThemLeavesBabe 9 months ago
@23580578H Everything costs alot of money when it is first introduced...that is why it needs to be perfected and mass produced to be more affordable. Would you rather buy a gallon of gas for $3.50 or whatever it costs, or be able to make your own fuel?
MaxWeitzel 6 months ago
gas costs money bitch!
hamsonb 4 months ago
just make your own car
exile341 2 years ago
nothing impressive here.
fail.
Questtechie 2 years ago 2
It isn't rc, search for H2GO
That's some cool shit :)
louislouis33 2 years ago
Now they have the H-racer 2.0 which does have a remote-control. and it's green.
taylorules 2 years ago 2
You say you don't talk crap on YouTube? Well, somebody does, as there is nothing new or innovative shown in this video, either physically, chemically or mechanically, it is merely a toy of moderate novelty value. It does not demonstrate or improve on one previously unknown principle. This toy is the chemical equivalent of and same "knowledge value" as a wind up mechanical car.
If people want "respect", firstly they must earn it, not post novelty items as if they were of valid scientific worth.
ozzirt 2 years ago
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I'm not out there talking crap to those who post videos about things...I like to talk crap to those who do talk crap in the first place..just to show them how it feels..but some (like u) are not intelligent enough to catch on :-)
and you are completely right...if you want respect...earn...so go out there and earn it...shut up and be constructive instead of destructive. otherwise you are gonna die accomplishing nothing and all you will have is your own gripes and pride. :-) mmm truth feels good
steveman223 2 years ago
That is exactly my point, it is not me whining about not having respect. I have the runs on the ground. I retired at 48 years of age on the earnings of my inventiveness.
What have you ever done, you soft headed loser. :-)
Copied the work of others without bothering to read that it is all old inefficient technology, or do some basic maths, convinced that you are going to save the world.
I think your time would be better spent working on your new song,... plink,... plink plunk :-)
ozzirt 2 years ago
If you are going to tell me that Stan Meyer has solved the viability problems of this technology, you can save your breath to cool your soup. He hasn't and costs will get worse as the cost of electricity rises, which it will. Get over it.
ozzirt 2 years ago
no i was just saying that stan meyer had allready came out with this kind of tech in the mid 80s and died mysteriously the next day from food poisining after signing up with the military...
oh and the cost of electricty is irrelevent how much of teslas work have you devled into?
or the simplist of all simplicity of a motor and a ganerater on the same shaft?
solar energy which is getting better
wizard4204 2 years ago
let me bet..you are some kid or ignorant man who hasnt even messed with this technology huh...just admit it
steveman223 2 years ago
Yeah,... Brainstrust, that's why I have one Registered design already in my name, and another pending that I would Patent if I had the money, and i'm not going to mortgage my house to do it.
What have you done to help the environment?
I'm 62 years old and have been retired for 14 years on the income from my research. Learn some science and relevant maths before you next give me the benefit of your great intellect.
ozzirt 2 years ago
oh boy...62 year old man with an attitude and a vendetta...nevermind sir...im not gonna get into it with you..chances are it wont get anywhere...I have enough trouble from my moron 60 year old neighbor who thinks he can do anything he wants..even threaten my life several times claiming to be a former navy seal lol hahaha. one piece of advice..calm down...no need to get a heart attack over youtube...show some respect in these tube forums.
steveman223 2 years ago
no one likes a grumpy disrespectful old fart who likes to hide his own insecurities by attacking others :-) and I am experimenting with several technologies right now..i dont go on youtube talking crap...i like to see for myself on several of these things...i especially love the physics nerds who claim things aren't possible lol...but doesn't physics teach to try it out? document results....and of the sorts? lol...dont judge my intellect given the fact you know nothing about it old man.
steveman223 2 years ago
Why don't you be honest and say that you just don't like to be told the truth.
Those physics "nerds" as you call them are the people who know that there is nothing new in this "technology" as the physics and the chemistry involved is very simple and has been known to be uneconomic even if we could achieve the impossible 100% efficiency.
Idiots such as those posting stuff like this think they are onto something new and innovative whereas in fact they are merely "playing in the dirt"
ozzirt 2 years ago
lol and you must be that messiah bringing us the truth..hahahahaha. mmm yes those physics nerds...yes yes...they are most of the time right..hahaha (that was sarcasm if you didnt catch on) i dont see you busting out the videos showing the truth...make some videos discrediting these things and showing the "truth" and maybe you can upgrade to something other than a grumpy old man :-)
steveman223 2 years ago
myth? the amount of electrical energy supplied by the solar cell is more than the amount of electrical energy supplied by the fuel cell. is that the myth?
dajlrj 2 years ago
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dajlrj 2 years ago
Omg.. im so damm sick of ppl saying that is way too expensive to breaxk water in to HHO.....
But, then again im just thinking.... Nuclear power plants... since the mining, transformation of the product, use of the product and after that the storage of the wastes... how much did it cost?????
FREE POWER... no one will be ever able to control water.. thats the only problem with hydrogen....
gsmlocks 2 years ago
So,... what you are telling us is that you know how to do this, expending less energy than the resulting HHO will generate?
You'd better sell your idea, everyone in the world will be willing to pay you trillions for your amazing knowledge.
You brainless twit.
ozzirt 2 years ago
no theres just no residual money that goes into using an HHO cell. or in lesser words. you buy once
BAD for big business
wizard4204 2 years ago
Once it becomes economically viable you may have a point, however I think that the government will find ways of regulating and taxing it.
One thing I'll guarantee, driving won't get any cheaper, but until then the cost of generating HHO will have to be at least halved to make it an economical proposition
ozzirt 2 years ago
well yes the cost of driving will still be there due to the radio frequency highway tolls that may be implemented eventually.....and to the contrary making HHO gas isnt that hard and it doesnt take alot of energy to do.....hey you know who stan meyer is?
wizard4204 2 years ago
No, it is old technology, and the reason that it has never gone anywhere is that it is currently uneconomic. Simple as that.
Unless of course you are a conspiracy theorist who blames, (cue music from The X Files) The Zionists, or the Illuminati or The oil companies or the government.
ozzirt 2 years ago
yes this is old technology that has not been put forth for others to learn you have to stumble upon it to learn about it IT IS NOT A COLLEGE COARSE.
oh and i only blame those that increminate themselves
so you live in australia eh? well you know of the water pummeling heater america is still in the dark about?
oh and for sources of electricty renewable soarces are a great start im not going to list them
when you close your mind to new ideas you have stopped being human
what tests have u?
wizard4204 2 years ago
Well, you be very pleased to know that I certainly don't have a closed mind, I am the owner of one Registered design and have another one pending that I would attempt to patent if I had the money. Both of these are to do with making cheaper energy available to the public, via recycling, however I am not going to mortgage my home to do it.
I am very sceptical about conspiracy theories. Tesla was a great man in his day, but no better than people like Cockroft etc. I feel he is highly over rated
ozzirt 2 years ago
I'm not sure what you mean by your last question??? My background is in engineering, the generation of steam and it's use.
As for cavitating water heaters I do know that it is very inefficient. It's about the electrical equivalent of running a V8 petrol engine at maximum output just so you can warm your fingers with the exhaust heat. The motor shown in the clips looks to be about 30 HP which is equivalent to 19.4 KW That's a lot of heat.
That is OK if you get your power for nothing.
ozzirt 2 years ago
LOL!!!! sounds you are the conspiracy theorist :-) if you arent willing to open your mind..you must be a conspiracy theorist :-)
steveman223 2 years ago
Yep, it works in the laboratory, but they are not trying to sell their product because no one will buy it with the cost and difficulties involved,... duh!
Stick to paragliding.
ozzirt 2 years ago
You seem to have missed one vital point. The car would have probably gone twice as far had you just used the solar panel to charge a battery and run the car from the battery. The hydrogen stage is redundant as you said in the clip, basic physics and a little chemistry will show that generating the hydrogen is less efficient.
It also adds a totally unnecessary and dangerous step to the energy chain.
ozzirt 2 years ago
If you use solar and wind to make hydrogen, you will be able to have power for your car even when there is no sunlight or wind - duh!
SensiBleu 2 years ago
Use the solar to provide base load for the grid.
Have you even begun to look at the economics and mechanical difficulties in using hydrogen? No, of course not. You are one of these dreamy dopes who sits and thinks of possible solutions without knowing what is involved. to do it on a commercial scale.
ozzirt 2 years ago
It's been done, a bus was running on hydrogen in the 70s in SLC. It isn't efficient or economical, however, because the power required to split water into hydrogen/oxygen defeats those purposes.
cusanusnicolas 2 years ago 2
I love the "hyrdogen is explosive" argument.
And gasoline isn't? lol......
Baseliner 2 years ago
yeah but hidrogen isint a liquid its a gas and its mantained in pressure. i get you im not against your or anything im just giving my 2 cents.
sk8er4lifeez 2 years ago
were to get that
gigipros123 2 years ago
WOW... a few problems with using this on a real life scale.
it takes a huge amount of energy to break the Hydrogen and Oxygen apart in water seeing as its done via electrolysis this would kill the electricity bill.
then there's the fact that Hydrogen is highly explosive and anything goes wrong you become a suicide bomber.
then there the corporate and government beat down! with need for fuel down the drain corporations and governments will raise tax's and prices and the economy will burn :/
crzykd1305 2 years ago
There are many reasons. The main reason is that hydrogen is explosive. The software can not put in the cars. Lower accident will make a explosive.Chtsar topic
You are carrying a temporarily bomb in your car. That is what I think . pec >>>>5***** good job
dragon1xxx 2 years ago
New Zealand!!!
TrolleyLawrie 2 years ago
i think that the reason hydrogen powered cars are not being released is because of money. If people can get there hands on cars that can take simple fuel that can be generated at home than the big oil companies are screwed. they don't want you to know. I'm sure that there are many other simple energy resources that they wont tell us about all because of money and business.
kyleman1313 2 years ago 2
There *are* reasons why this is too expensive and/or impractical. Fueling stations would have to be retrofit, and pumping H2 is not like pumping gasoline. Home H2 generation would tax the grid. California already browns out during the Summer. Home solar installs cost as much as a car. Alternative fuels will replace gasoline some day, but the economics haven't pushed us yet.
istartedi 2 years ago
Money money jobs creation. I see no problems with this.
Nobody says this will be done over night. As long as we get the technology out there, it will be improved upon. Look at computers. At first, it was $3000 for a lisa home computer. Now, it's $300 for a laptop, incomparably better
sobman 2 years ago
did you get that from edmund scientifics?
GrandpaTD 2 years ago
Bad example! It takes VERY exotic conditions to power a normal street-driving car in this way. And even then, you'll either get power with poor mileage, or great mileage without good power. Not both. That's why there are no REAL examples thus far.
guitartec 2 years ago
Now make it remote control!
0jesse10397 2 years ago
now make a huge,cheap one that can drive humans and your rich! and so is the planet! lol
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jedwhelchel 3 years ago
most of your statements are not true, the technology does work, however i do agree that there are alot of scams out there,just do some research before you call it full of bull.....did you think for a sec. that 30 yrs ago the technology we are using now to post these comments would exist..??? i bet you would have said it's full of bull...!!!
countachsv12 3 years ago
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This is a dead end. Nothing left but con artists looking for gullible investors.
This crap is sometime dangerous too.
I actual seen some of those so call inventors recommending using salt water in the electrolysis. Using salt water will PRODUCE
POISONOUS CHlROINE GAS and CORROSIVE SODIUM HYDROXIDE. Not enought to make WMD but enough to hurt or kill you if you all the windows and doors shut.
"Sent me money for how to convert your cars to run on water. Get 50mph on HHO."
Full of BULL.
robertyt2 3 years ago
Thee faam in Marche in Italy is a Productor of Idrogen Machine for Factory and industry service, the meccanism is Fuel Cell is not pericolus like a big H2 gas compress. I drive that machne is like an other machine but whit low cost, i remember you that some yers ago was progectet a machine on Compressed Air you think about this??
80IdSpROd 3 years ago
The fact that the "hydrogen fueling station" can be run on solar power does not negate the fact that it still requires more energy to convert h2o to h2 than you can get from converting the hydrogen back into water. Both activities are lossy and energy is wasted in both processes. If this actually worked, it would violate the second law of thermodynamics.
Still, you can't deny that the toy is a freaking cool application of science!
ppardee 3 years ago
The point is--> "solar powered hydrogen fuel station" would be cheap..... since sun light is free...atleast in my country it is. We can make loads of hydrogen almost for free... and instead of fueling station we can have a hydrogen gas maker at our very own home and maybe even power homes through a combination of hydrogen fuel cells and solar cells combined.
bashrox 3 years ago
"At least in my country it is" hehe love it!
When you compare the size of the solar panel required to generate that hydrogen to the size (mass) of the car you may find that you are unable to scale that to the size of a normal car. It probably wouldn't be practical to make ALL our hydrogen at home in which case we would have commercial fueling stations, but how big would THOSE solar panels have to be? I could see this as a supplemental power but not the sole power source for a vehicle.
ppardee 3 years ago
Sorry there, that car is made of plastic filled with air, when scaling to real car size you don't scale just weight linearly, but due to the problems of materials losing strength, a lot more hydrogen would be needed to push a 2-3 ton car (with passengers, seats, brakes, suspension, etc.) so you would need a lot more hydrogen and electricity(and minimize car size) Also, storing and moving hydrogen is highly dangerous.. any crash and your car could easily explode (pipe/tank leak)
8DX 3 years ago
Fortunately for me, I am a student of mechanical engineering and i can see where the real problem is. Hydrogen is safe, its as safe as CNG, if not more. Secondly the only issue in this all is efficient production of hydrogen. We don't need more electricity, we only need more hydrogen and more fuel cells, ,which is a one time investment by the way. My final year project is on this, and wish me luck, we'll soon have plenty of hydrogen! :-)
bashrox 3 years ago
Also solar power is very expensive due to volume (large panels needed, lots of them) and solar panels are also expensive to produce (and the by-products more harmful to the environment than burning coal/gas). That's why city lights, factories etc aren't powered by sun power.. The best "solar generators" are in fact plants' chlorophyll, which create carbon bonds to hold up their structure. Bio-matter compressed over years by weight and sedimentation is called coal or oil - the best saved sunlight
8DX 3 years ago
Brother, solar power is expensive, it may even produce hazardous by-products, but its one time, u wont have to burn coal and poisin for another hundered years poisining our atmosphare! and wen solar panels will be mass produced then we'll have them made for a cheaper price, besides already a form of cheaper and efficient solar cells are in market!
bashrox 3 years ago
i think i saw one of these at jc pennys dont ask me why it was there
markiejr837 3 years ago
I know. I just bought one today. I am about to turn off my laptop and build it.
mrpcclass2 3 years ago
Please tell me Where I can buy one of these?
thefrostflyer 3 years ago
JCPennys
mrpcclass2 3 years ago
THANK YOU
thefrostflyer 3 years ago
You're welcome!
Merry Christmas,
Mr. PC
mrpcclass2 3 years ago
New Zealand! yea!
robzdabomb 3 years ago
hydrogen is the smallest atom, and H2 is small enough to permeate through any material that contains it. It weakens metals causing them to become brittle and they can catastrophically fail. Its not a very easy thing to maintain for daily use.
NamelessFTW 3 years ago
hydrogen fuel is not an energy crisis issue, it is an environmental issue. It makes absolutely no sense to use hydrogen fuel unless you are going to create the hydrogen from renewable energy sources (i.e. wind, solar, hydro, geothermal)
NamelessFTW 3 years ago
hahhaha, the amount of energy the car produces isnt a quarter of the amount comin from the battery
skierplaterandy 3 years ago
yeah but batteries are heavy and get weaker as you use them
r2dxhate 3 years ago
the hydrogen station that makes hydrogen uses more energy from the battery then the car would use if it had the battery in it.
skierplaterandy 3 years ago
oh i forgot the reason they don't put these in car is because well lets see, hydrogen is 10x more explosive than gas,hmmmmmmmm....well lets put these on the road and wait for a terriost or a car crash to happen.....whats gonna happen?big,big boom.......large bomb
guitarmasters33 3 years ago
sigh doing some research helps, Hydrogen is no more dangerous then gas. Infact in certain aspects it's less dangerous then gasoline.
BillyBobTS 3 years ago
did you know that higergen is very exposive
windoes98se 3 years ago
ok hydrogen is not a free energy source it requires more power than it puts out......including what you are doing here and also.....hydrogen when is released from the chamber emits vapeurs therefore multiply this by millions of times and thats what will happen if it is mass produced and water will go up extensionally.....hydrogen is the most abundent particule in the universe but it is not found by its self you need to extract it from another particule which will take more power than it will giv
guitarmasters33 3 years ago
"requires more power than it puts out" you obviously dont know what you talking about
leobody 3 years ago 3
accually i do.....to extract the hydrogen from the water, it takes more energy/electricity to make electroysis(splitting of h2O)then what you're getting out of it if you put the electricity into a electric car the same size as that one it will go twice as far...so why don't you go research more before you tell someone they don't know about a subject,i've tryed this before and i have calculated it over and over.....they're is no such thing as over-unity
guitarmasters33 3 years ago
but hydrogen is 10x more explosive than regular gas right?
so to say that a single solar panel could provide the same ammount of energy, as an explosive 10x the power of a petrol bomb, is pure rubbish.
willoolner 3 years ago
"so to say that a single solar panel could provide the same ammount of energy, as an explosive 10x the power of a petrol bomb, is pure rubbish" ok with a solar panel you would still be losing because it would be more effiecient to just put that electricity in a electric car......OK NOW READ THIS BEFORE YOU KEEP IGNORING THIS PART!......HYDROGEN TAKES MORE ENERGY TO SPLIT IT THAN YOU CAN GET OUT OF IT!!!THIS INCLUDES SOLAR PANELS AND JUST PLUGGING IT IN A OUTLET....YOU WOULD STILL HAVE FUEL
guitarmasters33 3 years ago
"OK NOW READ THIS BEFORE YOU KEEP IGNORING THIS PART!HYDROGEN TAKES MORE ENERGY TO SPLIT IT THAN YOU CAN GET OUT OF IT!THIS INCLUDES SOLAR PANELS AND JUST PLUGGING IT IN A OUTLET.YOU WOULD STILL HAVE FUEL"
alot of people keep saying this, yet they dont know WHY. it is true that if you purely use Electricity to power the electrolosis, the output is the same. but to utilise solar power, as he has, nullifies that argument.
and find me an example of a remotly charged solar powered car,like this..
willoolner 3 years ago
willoolner: Well what they're saying is that it's an extra step. You can use solar panels to charge a battery that you put inside the car and this will run your motor. That's what some car manufacturers are trying to do. Having a hydrogen step in between is merely losing energy on the way (electrolysis produces heat which dissipates into the surrounding air, and must be cooled). More interesting is trying to run the whole car on solar energy (more efficient solar panels, wiring, etc).
8DX 3 years ago
I made a blog on this subject. Check it out here!
copy and paste on your internet explorer
runonwaterandgas.blogspot. com
evoinvidia 3 years ago
it is this easy. there are many efficent ways to power cars but the thing is, is that once somebody comes out with their idea they immediately get bought out by the oil companies.
so its not that we dont have the technology its the fact that oil companies are too damn greedy.
LUMLEY92 3 years ago 2
yeh yeh oil companies are the devil.. what are you? 9 ?
leobody 3 years ago