Hebrews 10:29, “Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?”
@gallantentry He counts the blood as something non-effectual,in his own words, this means he is speaking outside of the Spirit's permission. MacArthur needs to be careful!
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now ONCE in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; Romans 3:25
MacArthur needs to take course in biology. It is common knowledge that it is the blood which carries the oxygen throughout the body, and when someone bleeds to death they are dying from a type of asphyxiation. It is the blood that sustains life to every organ and every tissue in the body. Jesus' life was drained from Him.
What can wash away my sin? Nothing but the blood of Jesus; What can make me whole again? Nothing but the blood of Jesus. Refrain Oh! precious is the flow That makes me white as snow; No other fount I know, Nothing but the blood of Jesus. For my pardon, this I see, Nothing but the blood of Jesus; For my cleansing this my plea, Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
He is to slaughter the young bull before the LORD, and then Aaron's sons the priests shall bring the blood and sprinkle it against the altar on all sides at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. Leviticus 1:5
I answered, "Sir, you know." And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14
I think MacArthur has painted himself into a corner. It is the literal blood (fluid) that saves. He needs to read the book of Leviticus. "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul." Leviticus 17:11
Azert5962,I believe in the literal blood of Christ,because it the result of a cruel sacrifice,He experience on the cross,but my salvation is not base on his literal blood alone,but through His Death,or his perfect sacrifice.
MacArthur is spot on. All you have to do is do a word study on the use of αἷμα in the NT and you will see it used in a wide variety of figures of speech (Metaphor, Metonymy, Synecdoche, etc.). The Blood of Christ is simply a graphic figure of speech used to point up the violent nature of His sacrificial death as well as to tie it to the OT Levitical offferings. There is no significance to Christ's literal blood, that is a hermaneutical error which leads to mysticism
As a matter of fact John MacArthur is an alumnus from Bob Jones University from which all this junk came in the first place. Had not Bob Jones Jr. heard what he wanted to hear from MacArthur words, the fundamentalists would certainly still count him as a remarkable support. But you don't assassinate the character of someone without repercussion ! For more actual info on that whole moronic controversy see : What's All the Controversy About John MacArthur and the Blood of Christ?
The insecure god YWHW required Abram to kill and burn second son.Abram should have told voice"Get behind me demonic,the gods forbid murder,Gen9." Abram rebelled and prepared to burn son to Satanic voice.This is wicked by all moral standards.This sick god is capricious,fickle just as jealous pagan gods. Christians applaude Abram preparation for murder and burning son.Christianity needs classified as terror organization."In the beginning,the gods..."
@Sebasnoy63 Christ was made exclusively by the Holy Spirit in Mary's womb.My doctrine I have checked next time send the message to me. If Christ died without distinct blood not mystical or with miracle power. That is what John is doing reacting to false blood theology. He is not giving true blood nature. My blood can not atone because I inherited blood death from Adam not Adam's sin but death by sin in the blood.Christ was born distinct in blood for sacrifice the spotless Lamb.
@polopowers1 OH! no,my friend,please, Study the Bible in a honest way,without any preconception!, If you truly ,honestly seeking what exactly,what the Bible says about these things,The Truth will sets,You Free!,Do it!,man!
@Sebasnoy63 Please see video on the Virgin Birth polpowers 1 if you are truly open to learning I have tons of scriptural evidence if you like. Christ died with blood only He could die with to satisfy God's Nature. Adam before sin could he atone if all we need is a sinless man.? Start with Rom 5:12 death by sin came from inherited blood to all men through consummation passed upon all men. Rom 8 the law of sin and death did not apply to Christ the law could not touch Christ to sin
@polopowers1 wheather,you may have a thousands of scriptural evidence,but if you don't understand it ?.....is nothing!!!!!!!,look ,honestly,I am a Devoted catholic person,from childhood until 25 years old,all my families pure Catholic,so please Don't tell me about it,I very knowledgeable,than you are!,I am even an assistance of the priest!
@Sebasnoy63 The Bible is explicitly crystal clear, about the life of mary.,I am not against mary,She is Blessed!,just remember,what she said,in the wedding,she said,to the servers Do whatever He says!
So, focus your doctrine in the right way.,will you might say,There is no shading of blood ,there is no remission of sins.,I understood what it mean.,but there is no mystical or miracle in the blood. ,it's all about CHRIST complete sacrifice p
Take this as example, if was killed ,because I saved you from car crash?,does it mean ,my blood saves you , or is it me, you don't ,says I was saved by blood, you might say ,this man saves me.,why my blood?,and not me itself!
Not that he didn't believes in the blood of Jesus,but that he's too complexes all the time he answers questions to the difficulties of the listeners--that's what happens when folks are over educated to the extend that all their lines are now full of a bit psychology mixed with some kind of grammars that over explained that which they should have just passed over with a simple sentences....The Lord still loves you bro MacArthur.You are blessed indeed...The blood of Jesus saved you and I....
He seen to go about this with too much complexes explanations and phrases that makes it a bit misunderstood.Not that he didn't believe in the blood of Jesus,but that he's too complexes all the time he answers questions to the difficulties of the listeners--that's what happens when folks are over educated to the extend that all their lines are now full of a bit psychology mixed with some kind of grammars that over explained that which they should have just passed over with a simple sentences....
MacAarthur believes the blood has no power in distinction.There is efficacy in Christ blood. The blood of Christ is distinct not like any other man's.Christ is not a metaphor in blood. Christ blood was made exclusive by the Holy Spirit.No man has ever been born with the same blood of Christ. This teaching is a lie, without blood distinction there is no atonement. Christ died by blood not of consummation of man. His blood was absent of Adam's death by sin.Take away blood distinction, no gospel
God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. All have sinned and greatly offended the Holy God of the bible. Repent turn from sin and trust in Jesus Christ!!!
And Jesus only died for the elect because He is a perfect Savior:
† who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds. † (Titus 2:14, NASB)
† For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your GOD HAS CHOSEN YOU to be A PEOPLE FOR HIS OWN POSSESSION out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. † (Deu 7:6, NASB)
@ETHANGELIST "For WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:13) This does not only apply to a few people, but for anyone, regardless of their previous life. Although there are references in the Bible that say that He had chosen us before the foundation of the Earth, it is only, in my opinion, a claim that God sees the future, and He knew who would accept Him into their hearts throughout the eons of time ... but he still doesn't take the opportunity away from all.
@jerbaz17 Unfortunately you are reading way too much into the simple ENGLISH word "whosoever". Remember Paul wrote all of Romans in Greek? He never used the word "whosoever". Besides, if we let all of Romans to speak, we can see Paul believed in the man's incapability. Paul actually says "How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed?" in Romans 10:14. Also in 8:7-8, he says, everyone in the flesh is hostile toward God and can never please God. That's total depravity.
@jerbaz17 (cont) Please answer me this: Do you believe Jesus is a potential savior or a savior? The Jesus of Calvinism saves and He saves perfectly and never fails. Can you honestly tell me your Jesus is a perfect savior knowing the vast majority of those whom He was supposed to save end up lost in hell?
@ETHANGELIST Jesus is the complete and perfect sacrifice for all humanity. Everyone has the same opportunity, in my opinion, to be saved. But that's the important point: He gave them the OPPORTUNITY, He didn't automatically give it to them. Whether or not they end up in Hell is the fault of the person, not God's. Jesus prepared the way, but not everyone walks down the right road. Those who accept Him for real get into Heaven, but the rest will indeed go to Hell for passing up the opportunity ...
@jerbaz17 "But that's the important point: He gave them the OPPORTUNITY"
So you're saying Jesus is a potential savior and not a Savior? And you're saying the success and failure of God's salvation is in the hands of every sinner, as long as they rub their freewill in the right direction they will be saved? So the depraved sinner activates Christ's potential atonement using their freewill? And the sinner saves himself because of what he did, because Christ is incapable unless the sinner chooses?
@ETHANGELIST You misunderstand what I'm saying. God did not offer salvation to a select few, just to tell everyone else, "Oh, you can't go to Heaven, I didn't do it for you." His love is complete and is capable to change the lives of everyone. If, by chance, you do not accept the Blood of Christ, Jesus does not become anything less than what He is. You simply will not be counted as a child of God, and you will not receive the privileges thereof, and that includes entrance into Heaven.
@jerbaz17 Besides, not everyone can come to Christ as you say. Jesus says so Himself, "No one can come to Me" in John 6:44, 65.
† And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.” † (John 6:56, NASB)
NO ONE CAN COME TO CHRIST. That's exactly what Christ said. But there's an "unless". Jesus says, "unless it has been GRANTED him from the Father". Unless God enables someone to come to Christ, they never will.
@ETHANGELIST God can easily give it to someone else who wants it, if you don't. For example, if you were offering free medicine for millions of patients, and one of them said, "Don't give that to me, I don't want it!", you would move on to someone who will let you give them what they need. As much as it might break your heart to see them die, you can't force upon them what they don't want. That doesn't make you any less capable of giving them the medicine - it was a personal choice of theirs.
@jerbaz17 Again, your emphasis is on what the sinner desires rather than what God's desires. What is more important? God's choice or the choice of the sinner? Why doesn't God get to choose who His children are instead of random people deciding for themselves? And besides, no Calvinist believes God forces anyone to love Him. We believe God changes the nature and heart of a sinner in a way that causes them to willingly choose and love Christ.
@ETHANGELIST But why do we have different Jesuses? There shouldn't be a Jesus of Calvinism and "my" Jesus. There is ONE faith and ONE baptism, not several. The believers around the world are one body. Humanity has made the many different religious organizations, and it is unnecessary.
You are not mis represented John saying there is no distinction in Christ blood that blood is not satisfaction unto God for Atonement. Christ was a man like any man but not like man in everyway no contradiction.Christ was man and fit the model but excelled it.The blood of Christ is efficacy. Christ was the blood that no man could produce by birth.John is making Christ non distinct, saying salvation is not distinct blood but a death of a man who followed law and became precious by obedience
"Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" (Rev. 1:5) it doesn't say that we are washed in Jesus' death, but His blood. This verse would make no sense if it did. MacArthur = heretic!!!
@gallantentry The shedding of blood is a euphemism for death. You're not washed in literal blood. Do you think that when Jesus said He was the vine, that He fell onto the floor and sprouted leaves? Of course not.
@SpeakaDaEnglish Wrong. Without the shedding of blood (not just death as death can come about in a number of ways) than can be no redemption of sins. "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" Ephesians 1:7. "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" Ephesians 1:7
@gallantentry "Without the shedding of blood (not just death as death can come about in a number of ways) than can be no redemption of sins."
Correct, and that is exactly what JMac said, the only thing he added to that was that it had to bring about death for atonement to be accomplished. Jesus shed His blood profusely during His scourging, but He had to be "lifted up" according to messianic prophecy. That's MacArthur's point, Jesus had to die on that cross, not just bleed on the cross.
@SpeakaDaEnglish "And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt." Exodus 12:13 And no sin offering, whereof any of the blood is brought into the tabernacle of the congregation to reconcile withal in the holy place, shall be eaten: it shall be burnt in the fire. Leviticus 6:30
@SpeakaDaEnglish And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. Colossians 1:20 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 1 Peter 1:19
@gallantentry No one was literally washed in the blood of the Passover lamb either. God commanded that the blood be placed on the door lintels as proof of the sacrifice that had already taken place inside the household. The death of the lamb by slaughter is where the atonement lies.
John MacArthur is very deceptive. He tries to remove the importance of the blood of Jesus. We are cleansed by the blood. What did the Jews do before the passover? They covered the BLOOD over the sides of the door and the Spirit passed over them, This is a depiction of Jesus shedding His blood.
@gallantentry Umm did you listen to this??? Or just speaking without knowledge? People can determine for themselves.........I'll go w JMac! Except for the Calvinism. Wrong view of election........lots of error follows.
@gallantentry God was NOT looking for a dead lamb's carcass, but was looking for the blood that was APPLIED. John MacArthur is teaching a heresy here.
Your god is very wicked named YWHW.He plans before the foundations of the world that man would sin,his son would be born through his rape of 13yr engaged Mary and then men would have to lie and kill to get his sacrifice killed to be a sweet savor to his nostrols.
Now,just believe this wicked immoral bullshit and you are saved from eternal punishment.Haven't heard of this wickedness?To bad,you still are going to hell for ever tomented by the delight of YWHW. l8<o
@thedagonjones I am sorry you don't understand why the need for free will. There had to be a fruit of knowledge because without it, there is no free will. And without free will, we have no capacity to love.
You believe that lie?Who taught you that filth? Paul claims there are ignoble vessles which are designed for hell so YWHW can be glorified as they scream and curse and shake their fists at a demonic being who destined them to torture so that he can have his orgasms.This is sick,demented crap.This YWHW demon,tells people to burn children and christians wail and moan as if borestroked up the @ss.It is pure terror and a complete fabrication told by pagan suited priests.
@thedagonjones God would not have sent His Son to the cross if He took pleasure in people going to hell. Jesus died for all mankind. We have a choice to either receive His gift or not. But God has made a Way for all. Paul did not teach that anyone was made for destruction in the sense that God made them to suffer. They are made and God has foreknowledge of who will choose to deny the Saviour. You take things out of context and it clouds your understanding.
You are only spewing out lies spoken by your church.You care less if god says something or not.How is it you know the bible and I do not the the capacity?Oh,that is right,you have the revealer of all things which is the lying pen of Rome.LMFAO.God says he never commanded,mentioned nor even thought of human sacrifice.Jer7:30,19:5.You do not believe him.I rebuke you in Jesus name.
You are a blood lust pagan.Jesus died as an insurgent NOT as a sacrifice.
@thedagonjones You are incorrect.The OT points to Christ. All the sacrifices that God commanded where an illustration of the sacrifice to come. "Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;" Hebrews 10:5. I could give numerous examples.
You give examples of demonic manipulation and control by Rome.Tell me,if Abram would have obeyed god's decree NOT to kill people,Gen9, and told the satanic being wanting him to kill and burn his son,"Fuck you.I will NOT kill my second son"(Ishmael was his first son),what would YWHW have done?Would he have killed Abram?Would he have cursed him for being obedient and rejecting evil?
God said HE NEVER COMMANDED NOR THOUGHT OF THIS EVIL.
We know Paul is a self proclaim and yes false apostle.You call Jesus and his apostle and God,Deut 13:1-5, a liar. Paul,used of Rome,teaches to break god's laws.Jesus warned about this as did YWHW.Christians twist Jer31 and claim they are in a new dispensation to do anything.Are you of the house of Israel or Judah?Have men ceased learning of god?You are deceived and a damn fool.You will be accountable before god and I rebuke you in the name of the demigod Jesus.
@thedagonjones You have no verses to back your claim of what Jesus taught and Paul ever being in contradiction to what Jesus said. You are sadly mistaken yet again. Everything you have said has been disproved and you keep changing the subject because you cannot admit the truth. Sorry, but that is sad. God bless you.
You have sadly chosen to follow demonized Paul and reject Jesus.You care less what Jesus says.Paul plagerizes Plato word for word and claims he received it in dreams from his Jesus.He admits to getting so proud,he claims god sent a demonic to torment him.Christianities founder and greatest christian is demonically oppressed by his own mouth.Did not Jesus come to destroy the works of the devil?Paul says this is how God controls Paul's pride.This is straight from hell
@thedagonjones wrong again. The works of the devil that Jesus destroyed have nothing to do with God using the devil to buffet someone. You are not learned and speaking out of turn.
Are you agreeing with the ravenous wolf Paul and stating that God sent a Satanic force to prevent Paul from being conceited as a result of the wonderful dreams He gives Paul?Is this your position?Are you stating that God cannot make 1 holy through his Holy Spirit and Satan needed to live holy?Is this truly your position?LMFAO fool.
Your god is demonic god of Paul false apostle.You,as MacCarther,will do anything to continue exalting the enemy of Jesus and r deceived.
@thedagonjones You seem to forget the story of Job in the OT. God allowed Satan to cause tribulation in the life of a believer the same way He did with Paul.
You like calling ppl a fool and yet Jesus warned strongly against such actions. You have revealed your heart.
God uses Satan as a tool to keep us humble because we have free will deny the Holy Spirit because we are sinners in the flesh. You need to start studying the Bible because your understanding is amiss.
I am like Jesus.Lk12:20.Because you reject Jesus words in exchange for flavorful,treacherous words of lawless Paul,I speak His words."Thou FOOL,tonight your soul will be required of you."
You do everything in power to muddy Jesus'words in exhange for your father Paul.He desires to be your father.Jesus forbids this.Jesus bids follow himself.Paul begs you to follow himself.
Job is NOT inspired.You believe unicorns?Leviathin?Reversal God's protection?Demonic stuff.
Are say before God He sent Satan to oppress Saul disguised as Apostle Paul refusing to answer prayers making the devil flee?
We know the WHOLE Epistle of James rebukes Paul.After destroying Paul's godless doctrine of faith ch2,he continues 4:7 explicitely stating,"resist the devil and he will FLEE from you."Ch5James rebukes Paul for his cursing."These cursings ought NOT be."He rebukes Pauls swaring oaths in God's name.Paul swares several times he isn't lying.LMFAO
Yes,Paul even swares before the Holy Spirit he is not lying.Who does this.Jesus said"let yeas be yeas and neas,neas."
You are so stubborn and your heart so wicked you would even commit murder to protect your master Paul as many have done I do believe.You resist God and CANNOT state you were not told.
The complete Ep of James is that recorded trial of tha false apostle Paul.Jesus applaudes Ephisus for trying this false apostel.Rev2.Paul calls them,and u,stiffnecked.
@thedagonjones I am sorry you are an angry person. I hope you find the love of Jesus and listen to Paul when he said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved."
Why do you then uphold the demonic doctrine of Paul if you believe Jesus?He was saying believe what I say not believe I am dying and I want you to believe I am the bloody sin sacrifice for you.
If you search our Leviticus,you will see a female goat or sheet had to be used for a sin sacrifice.It was a FEMALE for sin sacrifice not a male. How is it you are i opposition to all of what the Father and Jesus said?You bring coals upon your head for opposing sound doctrine.
I have been watching your debate with g-man. I did not at first agree with you as I have been spoon feed the pauline doctrine since birth. I see why christians attack you as they cannot stand against your powerful words. Your words are huge my man. I can clearly see how Paul opposed Jesus and how the Christian church has been codling a demon possessed imposture. I know you mentioned jesuswordsonly(dot)com. Have you youtubed or googled, false apostle Paul?Huge info.
Thanks.People such as MacArthur will be severely judged by God for their deception and propetuating Paul's false doctrine from hell. These guys are so entrenched with their retirements and life style funded by illegal tithing they will never stop teaching this Satanic stuff even if Jesus warned them.Wait...he did.He said anyone says I returned,"do not believe it."Mat24.Paul said he also appeared to him.1Cor15,Act9.Paul gets ALL his doctrine from dreams.
@thedagonjones Psalm 69:31 This will please the LORD more than an ox, more than a bull with its horns and hoofs. Sorry again but you are wrong. You are trying to talk over your head and it's not working. You do not understand what you are talking about. Why don't you read the Bible yourself instead of listening and preaching the doctrine of fools.
Are you referring to David who hung 7 men as a sacrifice to YWHW so a drought would end? Sounds like a lot of other fairy tales...we can only hope. If true, what a demonic god. You cannot resist any scripture I correct you with proving your lack of education and understanding.You are typical just jumping around from subject to subject and continually get buried in the confusion you chose to fuck up your life.LMFAO fooool
@thedagonjones Every affliction arises from sin, and should lead us to repent and humble ourselves before God; but some troubles especially show that they are sent to bring sin to remembrance. God's judgments often look a great way back, which requires us to do so, when we are under his rebukes. It is not for us to object against the people's smarting for the sin of their king. God often visits the sins of the fathers upon the children, and he gives no account of any matters.
“The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son.”Ez18:20
You fooool. Tonight your soul will be required of you.You accuse God falsely and are a big fat liar.You foooooooool.
As a christian,washed uder the spicket of Jesus christ's blood stream, you are rebuked before the throne and all the beasts. You are NOT worthy to drink Christ blood.
You foooooool.It matters what god says.You are the false accuser of the brethern and god.You are rebuked and shunned. You have spoken lies and the bible has exposed your evil heart full of lies and vipers.REPENT for the kingdom of heaven is at hand....
@thedagonjones "Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”
@thedagonjones Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. (God placed Pilate in the position of authority)
@thedagonjones Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about." Gen. 22
If you have never heard of the demigod Jesus(sungod or Tammuz),you will be damned forever and ever as god plays the fiddle and stokes the coals.Even babies will be in hell at his choosing.
"The wicked are estranged from the womb; They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies. Psalms 58:3
Again,very wicked,immoral stuff by any standard of right.
Go read your forged book of lies and manipulation as you sexually frolic thinking your blood god loves you.LMFAO
@ThePsalm40 ....What are you?,anyway?, The question is Did Pastor MacArthur is preaching the sound Doctrine?,If He preach the sound Doctrine,Then He is not a calvinist!....I suggest to study the Scripture Diligently,go more deeper.
@EvanConnellyNovacek when it talks about the blood saving us and john macarthur said it was a metaphor meaning the physical blood of Jesus isn't what saves us. If it did the every one of the people who beat Him and nailed Him to the cross and got any of His blood on them it would have saved them all.
I heard Dr J Vernon McGee suggest that the blood was collected literally and taken into Heaven in one of his daily Thru the Bible radio programs. I respect Dr McGee and him and John MacArthur are probably the two preachers that I enjoy listening to the most. But apparently they have a different opinion on this matter.
In the Old Testament During passover, it was the Blood of the Lamb spread on the Door that saved the first born.
Exodus 12:7 (King James Version) 7And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
1 Peter 1:19 (King James Version) 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Get your story straight.The sin offereing had to be FEMALE.The fabricators of this wicked system of blood libel forgot to change that detail.YWHW tells a man to murder and burn his son.Gen22.To bad he forbid murder in Gen9.Abram wickedly attempted to burn his second,not first, but SECOND son.
YWHW is nothing but the Canaanite god Baal and El.Ha,ha,ha,ha.What foolish people these violent christians are.I rebuke them in all that is holy,right and true.
Revelation 1:5 (King James Version) 5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
How can we wash away something with death? We wash things with soap and water. In this case our sins with the Precious Blood of the Lamb.
So let's just change 1 Peter 1: 18, 19 like the Emergent Church guys love to do and say:-
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious asphyxiation of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: (1Pe 1:18-19).
John is not the enemy Satan is the enemy. It is incredible how we spend so much time fighting men of God who risk their lives and reputation everyday. But we live here so this will not end until we go home. john you are doing a great John keep it up. If you believe this man is wrong pray that God will open his eyes and do not attack like he is an enemy of God.
or is it maybe that God has chosen you and i for his glory and justly chosen otjers to be vessels of wrath still to demonstrate HIS glory. Cannot God do as He pleases? He he bound by our demands and our choices? Where does mans free choice fit in with God recieving ALL the glory for a souls salvation?
@denniskkk1 ..Sorry for my late response, on " other posts" I get notified by email. I did not on this one, just happened to check back. So the question you pose is How can a hell bound sinner ever love God. Well, you are leaving severalfacts out of this equation ! First, we are "made in the Image of God"(that means tha tevery person has a longing for a "spiritual relationship". Second, the Holy Spirit is given to "draw us to God". Thirdly, when we hear the gospel preached, faith can ...
..."spring up" in our heart, by the Holy Spirit, and we can become convicted of our Sins, and turn to God. This is the Gospel, and how things actually work. You have "bought into" the Catholic/masonic error of "Augustinian-ism", called Calvinism, and so , just like putting on "red glasses" everything concerning biblical truth, now becomes "red". I can give you the facts, disproving Calvinism, but the hardest thing to open is a "closed mind". So it is up to you, whether you will accept or not
I think a lot of people might have a clear view of mans sinfulness and wickedness. Isnt your view that man must believe to be saved? Well why does one man believe and not another other? There is NOTHING in man to even want to believe so why does any man believe? why do u and i believe right now as we speak? did we simply make a wiser choice then my friend Tyler who does not believe as of yet?
@sorens70601 "Praise God for God, for be it not for God I could not love God." Explain to me with love how a sinful hell minded man could EVER love a holy and righteous God? How could a sinner ever "choose" out of his own God opposed "free will" to love a God he so desperately hates?..God saves, my friend, and Praise God I cant stop Him!.
and please do not mock reformed theology. i hold to its teachings and do not tell me that it is WRONG to give God all the glory in salvation.. lol it took me forever to grasp that I AM NOT GOD....geez...and neither r u ..
@sorens.... come on... r u seriously not understanding that the bible isnt always literal.... this is one of those times my friend...jesus had to shed his blood for the remission of sins but its his death that saves!
@denniskkk1 .. Yes, I am very serious, and its not only "one of those times" as I counted "18 different times" in only the limited passages of scriptures I posted below. Remission of sins, is in his Blood, and since you have "bought into" the masonic "reformed heresy" (Augustininan-ism, called Calvinism) you have never experienced true "biblical salvation". 2.Jn.9, says; " He that transgresseth, and abideth Not in the doctrine of Christ, Hath Not God..." What part of TULIP conforms to ...
...the doctrine of Christ ? Let's see; "T", (Total depravity) man is so corrupt, Not capable of making a choice to follow the Lord. (is that true according to scripture ?) Read Mt.11:20, and Lk.13:34, (In the KJV) and you will find out, that Jesus "upbraided them for Not repenting, as well as, "but Ye were not willing". ( No total depravity, or inability here) Next; "U", (Unconditional Election) Some "elected/chosen" to salvation, some Not. (is that true?) Of course Not, The scriptures ..
..teach, that Christ is the "Elect", the "Chosen". Read Mt.12:18, Lk.23:35, Isa.42:1, (in the KJV) When we believe the Gospel, (washed in His Blood ) we become the elect, the chosen, because we are "in Christ" . It's not about Us, It's about Christ ! Next; "L", (Limited Atonement) Christ's atonement only for "certain individuals". (Is that true ?) Read Jn.3:16, Lk.2:10, Lk.2:31, 2.Pet.3:9, Rev.22:17, (in the KJV) and you will find, the atonement is for all people.(whosoever will) ...
...Next: "I", ( Irresistable Grace) A person "has no ability" to resist God's Call. (Is that true?) Read Mt.11:20, Acts.7:51, (in the KJV) You will find that is is possible to resist God's call. Next: "P", (Preserverance of the saints) Also known as "Once Saved Always Saved". (is that true?) Read Jn.8:31, 1.Tim.1:19, 2.Tim.4:7, 2.Pet.2:20-22, (in the KJV) and you will learn that "if you continue" and if you "keep the faith", you will not as some "put away concerning the faith", make ...
.."shipwreck". ((become lost, as in "Backslidden", a biblical term from the Old Testament) This is the TRUE GOSPEL in a "nutshell", and contrary to the "Mac Arthur Gospel" , propagating the Satanic deception of Aurelius Augustine , Called Calvinism. The choice is yours, either to "Abide in the doctrine of Christ", or to Transgress the "doctrine of Christ" by following the false teachings of John Mac Arthur, in his propagation of Satans deception, called 'Calvinism'. And I am very serious !!!
There is no such thing as divine blood, God does not have fingers, eyes, ears or blood. It is the human part of Christ that has those things not the divine therefore there is no "divine blood". The divine nature of Christ can be everywhere all at once, the divine knows everything but the human part of Christ can only be in one place at one time and there were things he did not know. This is why you have to study doctrine so you dont make mistakes like this.
So if Christ shed water instead of blood atonement by death would have occurred?There is no mystical attachment to Christ blood but it was distinct.Christ cried with a loud voice at death Eloi Eloi etc does that sound like He was at of breath? We know he died of asphyxiation? Christ died before the others, He was totally wounded beyond measure unrecognizable. He bled to death.This heresy is not some small error in doctrine.
So any sinless man can redeem?.Could Adam have died for sin before his fall?. Did Adam's blood change by the fall YES Christ blood was the distinction of God's accepting.The Holy Spirit made the body and blood of Christ distinct. The blood of Christ was totally distinct .Adam sinned passed death in consummation by blood.Death passed upon all men because all have sinned.Christ distinct in blood not having hereditary sin was necessary or there is no Atonement.It is the blood that makes Atonement
To all those who are brand new Christians & those who have been justified by faith please DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS GARBAGE! This is a religous spirit & has led many to doubt their salvation, exchange their faith which satan is greatly after for a lie, to "prove" your saved via Washer, Piper, Macarthur & the like. Keep your Armor on please!!! I have videos that challenge these heretical teachings of TULIP Calvinism, Armenianism & the like The wrath Washer is exhibiting is not of God but of the flesh
@PureGraceEvangelism You told STP you didn't even know what Calvinism was a month ago...lol. And you still don't. You then send me a vid of your prayer about her, then block me from replying to it, just as you had blocked me before, after you'd mocked me, then apologized, then removed the vid where where you mocked me, only to then uploaded it again...all comments gone. You may hide your devilish behavior from the world, but don't think for a moment that God doesn't see it.
@PureGraceEvangelism And as proof of your ridiculous claims here, you are callng both Calvinism AND Arminianism heretical...lol. Take your pick - you are one or the other if you're most any kind of Protestant. You just don't know it. Further, the very fact that you can't even spell Arminianism speaks volumes about your knowledge of same. Calling Calvin a murderer shows how little you know about him or church history. My, oh my. You can't even pronounce the word "sovereignty" correctly.
@skintightpotato LOL! I forgot she was in this thread, too! I don't think she even saw my replies because she's blocked me, so it seems that she would not receive notification of my replies to her here in the thread. She is most definitely deluded...no question in my mind. I just loved her "deep" study of historic Calvinism, didn't you? :-p
@Passiflora101 To say it was unproficient would be an egregious understatement. It was like watching comedy...if it weren't so tragic. Honestly, just so very tragic.
@skintightpotato Yes, tragic. Even more tragic are the people who buy into her "special revelations." Everyone wants to "experience" God, but many ask, "Why waste time on reading His Word? It's a contradiction satan absolutely loves. Saved 5 years & thinks she's got the goods on a 5th generation preacher who's been preaching for over 50 years, not to mention his astounding accomplishments in the service of our Lord. Mind boggling.
My cat just ran straight into the pool. He forgot. :)
@skintightpotato He was apparently fixated on a flying bug. Dashed right past me while I was sitting & reading. Kinda forgot about the pool being there...lol. We generally keep him indoors & "catsit" him in the backyard. First time he was out there, he fell in out of ignorance. He's drank from it every time he goes out, so I can only surmise his hunting instincts took over his foreknowledged wisdom. (c:
What he's saying is there was no magical, mystical property to the blood that flowed through Christ's veins. It was no different than the blood in any other human being. When He healed people, did He BLEED on them? NO. He TOUCHED them. The power of the blood is in the fact that it was Christ's blood, shed for many.
It's not that Christ's blood was any different than yours or mine. Truth is, it's the SHEDDING of His blood and His DEATH that provides forgiveness of sins.
@Passiflora101 I actually heard the words come out of his mouth twice . Once on his show on the NRB network and on wretched . I know what I heard and what he meant by what he said. Please dont try to tell me I heard wrong or misunderstood I know those word games and I dont play them. God Bless .
@sgtwalker64 RE: " I actually heard the words come out of his mouth twice ."
Uh...what are you talking about? If it's about the blood of Christ, that's not what you & I were discussing, which was Calvinism. And I see by your channel that your one of the "conspiracy theorists," too. I'm waiting to hear you say Mac is a Free Mason...lol. And it's a good thing that "religious" MEN of the past preserved the Word, eh? Where'd we be without MEN like Spurgeon or Guttenburg?
YES ! There is POWER in the FLUID BLOOD. The Scripture says "Life is in the Blood" Without SHEDDING of Blood there is no forgiveness of Sin. "A body thou hast prepared me, I come to do thy will oh God." We are commanded NOT to eat Blood for this Reason. John Macarthur has the spirit of antichrist. Satanists and Freemasons cannot teach Gods word disguise as sheep. The Lord Jesus Christ Rebuke You!!
This is all lies which isnt surprising with the cult of Calvinism . I pray for you lost sheep daily. If you Calvinist would stop reading books by religious people and learn to read the actual word of God you would see people like MacArthur are no better then Osteen and Warren .
@sgtwalker64 Sounds to me like you're referring to hyper-Calvinism, rather than historic Calvinism. Do you know the difference? Most Arminians do not. Historic Calvinism is written all over the Bible. I used to be Arminian, too...for 40 ignorant years.
MacArthur is spot on on this doctrine. The Blood of Christ is simply a metaphor, a representative analogy, a metonym for the Atoning Death of Christ. This is proven by the term "the Blood of the Lamb." The Lamb is clearly a metonym and so the Blood also is a metonym.
Here is a brief explanation of the blood of humans and the blood of Jesus. John MacArthur teaches that there is no difference. I beg to differ. When Adam sinned, he caused his sin to make us all sinners. Adam's sin corrupted his sinless blood that God created. Jesus is sinless though, and if he has the blood of humans, He is a sinner because we are all of the same blood line. Remember though, Jesus was born of a virgin and if that wasn't the case, He would have the blood of a human.
@bibleword Yes, Jesus' blood did not contain the sin nature because his entire cell structure did not contain the sin nature. He was "the Lamb unblemished and spotless" (1 Pet 1:19). However, this does not mean that the Blood in the phrase "Blood of Christ" is to be taken literally. Do a study of the Greek word αἷμα (haima) as used in the New Testament. You will see it is predominantly used figuratively as a metaphor for death. Likewise, the term "Blood of Christ" is simply a metaphor.
@bibleword Regarding your comment, "Jesus was born of a virgin and if that wasn't the case, He would have the blood of a human."...was she a divine virgin or a human virgin? Your deduction is illogical. Mary was a mortal, a human, a sinner. Jesus was 100% human & 100% divine, & you'd do well not to call MacArthur a heretic on this matter, especially in light of your illogical deduction. You're a prime example to people to not get their theology from laybloggers on internet forums.
OF COURSE Mary was a sinner (Rom. 3:23), but that is beside the point. The Bible says He was conceived by the HOLY GHOST, NOT Mary. God only used Mary because she was a godly woman. Also, I DO NOT get my "theology" from forums, I get it from God's Word and God says it is HIS Blood that atones for our sin (Leviticus 17:11; Romans 9:22)
@bibleword Your answer is a strawman argument to deflect away from your original comment, "Jesus was born of a virgin and IF THAT WASN'T THE CASE, HE WOULD HAVE THE BLOOD OF A HUMAN." What you're saying is that since she was a virgin, He didn't have human blood. Makes no sense. 2nd point: Did Jesus have to die? And if so, what did He die from? Bleeding or asphyxiation?
Only if Joseph had sex with her and she would not be a virgin, Jesus would have had human blood. Even Science books teach that without the man, no blood could enter to the child and create one. Jesus Christ was born miraculousy by the Holy Ghost Himself and by default, has blood of God. Besides that, the church was purchased with God's own blood. Obviously, Jesus' blood was sinless and divine.
@bibleword Oops! Pressed the 'thumbs up' button instead of the 'reply' button by mistake. I think you're missing my point. Jesus' mother was a HUMAN, not divine. If you think she was divine, you're aligning up with Catholics. Jesus was 100% HUMAN & 100% divine. Yes, Jesus was sinless, but His blood was BOTH HUMAN & divine. Her virginity had nothing to do with His blood. And I'll ask you again - Did Jesus have to die, & if so, from what? Bleeding or asphyxiation?
@pharmfarm59538 Yes, Catholics DO believe, or should I say teach, that Mary was divine. If you're Catholic, go to your Catechism. "Mary - 'the All-Holy,' lived a perfectly sinless life" [411 and 483]. They also teach "Mary is the Mother of God" [963, 971, 2677], not the earthly mother of Jesus. Nor is Mary the "Mother of the Church" [963, 975], but simply a member of the Church. Just the tip of the iceberg of the RCC's false teachings...only 3 here, but I know almost 60 more.
@Passiflora101 Yes as Christians theology developed to a more full understanding of Christ being fully divine, then Mary who was Christs mother became regarded as mother of God. She is not regarded as divine in the sense that she is part of the Trinity. When Catholics profess their faith and recite the Nicean creed she is not glorified as God as the FAther, Son, and Holy Ghost are. Mary is venerated, ot worshiped in the Catholic church although many would falsely claim that.
@pharmfarm59538 Why worship Mary, a human, instead of Christ alone? That is idol worship. Christ was 100% divine as the Son of God & 100% human as the son of Mary. Great emphasis was placed on Mary in "The Passion of the Christ" movie. Why? Mel Gibson is Catholic. No one needs Mary or any saint as an intercessor either. Christ is the only Mediator - "Solus Christus" ("Christ Alone") was one of the Five Solas of the Reformation.
@Passiflora101 We are told to pray for each other. And we are told the the prayer of a righteous man availeth much. So... we do need intercessory prayer. Even Christ in the Lords prayer instructed us to intercede. So your statement that no one needs a Saint to intercede is biblically wrong. The question then becomes can Saints who have died still pray for us. Either way you believe on this, it doesn not make you not a Christian to come up on the wrong side of the issue.
@Passiflora101 Again you are wrong. Catholics do not worship Mary as you falsely say. They venerate or highly regard her. She gave God a human body through her pregnancy and she did it willingly, likely knowing how hard it would be for her. "Hail Mary, the Lord is with thee, Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of they womb, Jesus"......as the Sacred Word would say.
@Passiflora101 Actually Catholics are not the only Christians that believe that Mary led a sinless life. That is not an uniquely Catholic teaching if you read many protestant writers many of them believed it too.
@pharmfarm59538 If Mary was human, she was a sinner just like everyone else, no matter what these misguided Prostestant writers you are pointing out believed - whoever they are.
@Passiflora101 Many protestant reformers like Zwingly, and Calvin believed that Mary was a virgin all her life. Even hundreds of years after the reformation men like Wesley believed it...Regarding Mary as a special and blessed woman is not a "Catholic" doctrine. It is a Christian belief that most 21st century American evangelicals have lost. As for her being sinless, even if they are wrong on this, it doesn't negate their Christian commitment as you seem to think.
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gallantentry 5 days ago
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gallantentry 5 days ago
Hebrews 10:29, “Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?”
gallantentry 1 week ago
@gallantentry He counts the blood as something non-effectual,in his own words, this means he is speaking outside of the Spirit's permission. MacArthur needs to be careful!
gallantentry 1 week ago
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now ONCE in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”
gallantentry 1 week ago
“In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.” —Colossians 1:14
gallantentry 1 week ago
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; Romans 3:25
gallantentry 1 week ago
MacArthur needs to take course in biology. It is common knowledge that it is the blood which carries the oxygen throughout the body, and when someone bleeds to death they are dying from a type of asphyxiation. It is the blood that sustains life to every organ and every tissue in the body. Jesus' life was drained from Him.
gallantentry 1 week ago
gallantentry 1 week ago
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
gallantentry 1 week ago
He is to slaughter the young bull before the LORD, and then Aaron's sons the priests shall bring the blood and sprinkle it against the altar on all sides at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. Leviticus 1:5
I answered, "Sir, you know." And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14
gallantentry 1 week ago
Hebrews 9:22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
gallantentry 1 week ago
I think MacArthur has painted himself into a corner. It is the literal blood (fluid) that saves. He needs to read the book of Leviticus. "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul." Leviticus 17:11
gallantentry 1 week ago
If Christ did not died on the Cross,There is no Salvation to those who Believe,let 's have a sound Doctrine......
Sebasnoy63 2 weeks ago
Azert5962,I believe in the literal blood of Christ,because it the result of a cruel sacrifice,He experience on the cross,but my salvation is not base on his literal blood alone,but through His Death,or his perfect sacrifice.
Sebasnoy63 2 weeks ago
Those critics,need to really study regarding the Blood of Christ!
Sebasnoy63 2 weeks ago
I agree with Pastor MacArthur regarding the Blood of Christ!,it is exactly a Metaphor as it points to his Death.
Sebasnoy63 2 weeks ago
MacArthur is spot on. All you have to do is do a word study on the use of αἷμα in the NT and you will see it used in a wide variety of figures of speech (Metaphor, Metonymy, Synecdoche, etc.). The Blood of Christ is simply a graphic figure of speech used to point up the violent nature of His sacrificial death as well as to tie it to the OT Levitical offferings. There is no significance to Christ's literal blood, that is a hermaneutical error which leads to mysticism
egwpisteuw 2 weeks ago
As a matter of fact John MacArthur is an alumnus from Bob Jones University from which all this junk came in the first place. Had not Bob Jones Jr. heard what he wanted to hear from MacArthur words, the fundamentalists would certainly still count him as a remarkable support. But you don't assassinate the character of someone without repercussion ! For more actual info on that whole moronic controversy see : What's All the Controversy About John MacArthur and the Blood of Christ?
azert5962 3 weeks ago
@Sebasnoy63 good stuff man
BecominglikeJESUS 3 weeks ago
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@BecominglikeJESUS
The insecure god YWHW required Abram to kill and burn second son.Abram should have told voice"Get behind me demonic,the gods forbid murder,Gen9." Abram rebelled and prepared to burn son to Satanic voice.This is wicked by all moral standards.This sick god is capricious,fickle just as jealous pagan gods. Christians applaude Abram preparation for murder and burning son.Christianity needs classified as terror organization."In the beginning,the gods..."
thedagonjones 1 week ago
Polopowers1, you have to be sound doctrine,you have no scriptural basis!,check your theology,Polo!
Sebasnoy63 3 weeks ago
@Sebasnoy63 Christ was made exclusively by the Holy Spirit in Mary's womb.My doctrine I have checked next time send the message to me. If Christ died without distinct blood not mystical or with miracle power. That is what John is doing reacting to false blood theology. He is not giving true blood nature. My blood can not atone because I inherited blood death from Adam not Adam's sin but death by sin in the blood.Christ was born distinct in blood for sacrifice the spotless Lamb.
polopowers1 2 weeks ago
@polopowers1 OH! no,my friend,please, Study the Bible in a honest way,without any preconception!, If you truly ,honestly seeking what exactly,what the Bible says about these things,The Truth will sets,You Free!,Do it!,man!
Sebasnoy63 2 weeks ago
@Sebasnoy63 Please see video on the Virgin Birth polpowers 1 if you are truly open to learning I have tons of scriptural evidence if you like. Christ died with blood only He could die with to satisfy God's Nature. Adam before sin could he atone if all we need is a sinless man.? Start with Rom 5:12 death by sin came from inherited blood to all men through consummation passed upon all men. Rom 8 the law of sin and death did not apply to Christ the law could not touch Christ to sin
polopowers1 2 weeks ago
@polopowers1 wheather,you may have a thousands of scriptural evidence,but if you don't understand it ?.....is nothing!!!!!!!,look ,honestly,I am a Devoted catholic person,from childhood until 25 years old,all my families pure Catholic,so please Don't tell me about it,I very knowledgeable,than you are!,I am even an assistance of the priest!
Sebasnoy63 2 weeks ago
@Sebasnoy63 The Bible is explicitly crystal clear, about the life of mary.,I am not against mary,She is Blessed!,just remember,what she said,in the wedding,she said,to the servers Do whatever He says!
Sebasnoy63 2 weeks ago
So, focus your doctrine in the right way.,will you might say,There is no shading of blood ,there is no remission of sins.,I understood what it mean.,but there is no mystical or miracle in the blood. ,it's all about CHRIST complete sacrifice p
Sebasnoy63 3 weeks ago
Take this as example, if was killed ,because I saved you from car crash?,does it mean ,my blood saves you , or is it me, you don't ,says I was saved by blood, you might say ,this man saves me.,why my blood?,and not me itself!
Sebasnoy63 3 weeks ago
I was saved by the perfect or complete sacrifice of Christ,not by his literal blood,although,his literal blood is the result of a brutal sacrifice
Sebasnoy63 3 weeks ago
Not that he didn't believes in the blood of Jesus,but that he's too complexes all the time he answers questions to the difficulties of the listeners--that's what happens when folks are over educated to the extend that all their lines are now full of a bit psychology mixed with some kind of grammars that over explained that which they should have just passed over with a simple sentences....The Lord still loves you bro MacArthur.You are blessed indeed...The blood of Jesus saved you and I....
2000agogo 1 month ago
He seen to go about this with too much complexes explanations and phrases that makes it a bit misunderstood.Not that he didn't believe in the blood of Jesus,but that he's too complexes all the time he answers questions to the difficulties of the listeners--that's what happens when folks are over educated to the extend that all their lines are now full of a bit psychology mixed with some kind of grammars that over explained that which they should have just passed over with a simple sentences....
2000agogo 1 month ago
MacAarthur believes the blood has no power in distinction.There is efficacy in Christ blood. The blood of Christ is distinct not like any other man's.Christ is not a metaphor in blood. Christ blood was made exclusive by the Holy Spirit.No man has ever been born with the same blood of Christ. This teaching is a lie, without blood distinction there is no atonement. Christ died by blood not of consummation of man. His blood was absent of Adam's death by sin.Take away blood distinction, no gospel
polopowers1 2 months ago
God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. All have sinned and greatly offended the Holy God of the bible. Repent turn from sin and trust in Jesus Christ!!!
mamainmancj 2 months ago
And Jesus only died for the elect because He is a perfect Savior:
† who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds. † (Titus 2:14, NASB)
† For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your GOD HAS CHOSEN YOU to be A PEOPLE FOR HIS OWN POSSESSION out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. † (Deu 7:6, NASB)
ETHANGELIST 3 months ago
@ETHANGELIST "For WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:13) This does not only apply to a few people, but for anyone, regardless of their previous life. Although there are references in the Bible that say that He had chosen us before the foundation of the Earth, it is only, in my opinion, a claim that God sees the future, and He knew who would accept Him into their hearts throughout the eons of time ... but he still doesn't take the opportunity away from all.
jerbaz17 3 months ago
@jerbaz17 Unfortunately you are reading way too much into the simple ENGLISH word "whosoever". Remember Paul wrote all of Romans in Greek? He never used the word "whosoever". Besides, if we let all of Romans to speak, we can see Paul believed in the man's incapability. Paul actually says "How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed?" in Romans 10:14. Also in 8:7-8, he says, everyone in the flesh is hostile toward God and can never please God. That's total depravity.
ETHANGELIST 2 months ago
@jerbaz17 (cont) Please answer me this: Do you believe Jesus is a potential savior or a savior? The Jesus of Calvinism saves and He saves perfectly and never fails. Can you honestly tell me your Jesus is a perfect savior knowing the vast majority of those whom He was supposed to save end up lost in hell?
ETHANGELIST 2 months ago
@ETHANGELIST Jesus is the complete and perfect sacrifice for all humanity. Everyone has the same opportunity, in my opinion, to be saved. But that's the important point: He gave them the OPPORTUNITY, He didn't automatically give it to them. Whether or not they end up in Hell is the fault of the person, not God's. Jesus prepared the way, but not everyone walks down the right road. Those who accept Him for real get into Heaven, but the rest will indeed go to Hell for passing up the opportunity ...
jerbaz17 2 months ago
@jerbaz17 "But that's the important point: He gave them the OPPORTUNITY"
So you're saying Jesus is a potential savior and not a Savior? And you're saying the success and failure of God's salvation is in the hands of every sinner, as long as they rub their freewill in the right direction they will be saved? So the depraved sinner activates Christ's potential atonement using their freewill? And the sinner saves himself because of what he did, because Christ is incapable unless the sinner chooses?
ETHANGELIST 2 months ago
@ETHANGELIST You misunderstand what I'm saying. God did not offer salvation to a select few, just to tell everyone else, "Oh, you can't go to Heaven, I didn't do it for you." His love is complete and is capable to change the lives of everyone. If, by chance, you do not accept the Blood of Christ, Jesus does not become anything less than what He is. You simply will not be counted as a child of God, and you will not receive the privileges thereof, and that includes entrance into Heaven.
jerbaz17 2 months ago
@jerbaz17 Besides, not everyone can come to Christ as you say. Jesus says so Himself, "No one can come to Me" in John 6:44, 65.
† And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.” † (John 6:56, NASB)
NO ONE CAN COME TO CHRIST. That's exactly what Christ said. But there's an "unless". Jesus says, "unless it has been GRANTED him from the Father". Unless God enables someone to come to Christ, they never will.
ETHANGELIST 2 months ago
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jerbaz17 2 months ago
@ETHANGELIST God can easily give it to someone else who wants it, if you don't. For example, if you were offering free medicine for millions of patients, and one of them said, "Don't give that to me, I don't want it!", you would move on to someone who will let you give them what they need. As much as it might break your heart to see them die, you can't force upon them what they don't want. That doesn't make you any less capable of giving them the medicine - it was a personal choice of theirs.
jerbaz17 2 months ago
@jerbaz17 Again, your emphasis is on what the sinner desires rather than what God's desires. What is more important? God's choice or the choice of the sinner? Why doesn't God get to choose who His children are instead of random people deciding for themselves? And besides, no Calvinist believes God forces anyone to love Him. We believe God changes the nature and heart of a sinner in a way that causes them to willingly choose and love Christ.
ETHANGELIST 2 months ago
@ETHANGELIST But why do we have different Jesuses? There shouldn't be a Jesus of Calvinism and "my" Jesus. There is ONE faith and ONE baptism, not several. The believers around the world are one body. Humanity has made the many different religious organizations, and it is unnecessary.
jerbaz17 2 months ago
I agree with Mac. My body will be broken and my blood will be shed = I will have to DIE in order to propitiate for your sins.
SpeakaDaEnglish 4 months ago
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PureAirSolutions 5 months ago
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PureAirSolutions 5 months ago
You are not mis represented John saying there is no distinction in Christ blood that blood is not satisfaction unto God for Atonement. Christ was a man like any man but not like man in everyway no contradiction.Christ was man and fit the model but excelled it.The blood of Christ is efficacy. Christ was the blood that no man could produce by birth.John is making Christ non distinct, saying salvation is not distinct blood but a death of a man who followed law and became precious by obedience
polopowers1 5 months ago
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"This cup is the new testament in my blood which is shed for you" (Luke 22:20)
gallantentry 6 months ago
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"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins" (Matt. 26:28)
gallantentry 6 months ago
"Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" (Rev. 1:5) it doesn't say that we are washed in Jesus' death, but His blood. This verse would make no sense if it did. MacArthur = heretic!!!
gallantentry 6 months ago
@gallantentry The shedding of blood is a euphemism for death. You're not washed in literal blood. Do you think that when Jesus said He was the vine, that He fell onto the floor and sprouted leaves? Of course not.
SpeakaDaEnglish 4 months ago
@SpeakaDaEnglish Wrong. Without the shedding of blood (not just death as death can come about in a number of ways) than can be no redemption of sins. "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" Ephesians 1:7. "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" Ephesians 1:7
gallantentry 4 months ago
@gallantentry "Without the shedding of blood (not just death as death can come about in a number of ways) than can be no redemption of sins."
Correct, and that is exactly what JMac said, the only thing he added to that was that it had to bring about death for atonement to be accomplished. Jesus shed His blood profusely during His scourging, but He had to be "lifted up" according to messianic prophecy. That's MacArthur's point, Jesus had to die on that cross, not just bleed on the cross.
SpeakaDaEnglish 4 months ago
@SpeakaDaEnglish But foolish and ignorant questionings refuse, knowing that they gender strifes. 2 Timothy 2:23
Peace brother.
Let us thank the Lord for the precious blood of Jesus that was shed for the sins of the whole world!
gallantentry 4 months ago
@SpeakaDaEnglish "And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt." Exodus 12:13 And no sin offering, whereof any of the blood is brought into the tabernacle of the congregation to reconcile withal in the holy place, shall be eaten: it shall be burnt in the fire. Leviticus 6:30
gallantentry 4 months ago
@SpeakaDaEnglish And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. Colossians 1:20 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 1 Peter 1:19
gallantentry 4 months ago
@gallantentry No one was literally washed in the blood of the Passover lamb either. God commanded that the blood be placed on the door lintels as proof of the sacrifice that had already taken place inside the household. The death of the lamb by slaughter is where the atonement lies.
SpeakaDaEnglish 4 months ago
John MacArthur is very deceptive. He tries to remove the importance of the blood of Jesus. We are cleansed by the blood. What did the Jews do before the passover? They covered the BLOOD over the sides of the door and the Spirit passed over them, This is a depiction of Jesus shedding His blood.
gallantentry 6 months ago 5
@gallantentry ,you better check you theology in a very honest way!!!!!,maybe you are !!!
Sebasnoy63 2 weeks ago
@gallantentry Umm did you listen to this??? Or just speaking without knowledge? People can determine for themselves.........I'll go w JMac! Except for the Calvinism. Wrong view of election........lots of error follows.
willpower242 1 week ago
@willpower242 You go with John MacArthur, I'll go with the Bible
gallantentry 1 week ago
@gallantentry God was NOT looking for a dead lamb's carcass, but was looking for the blood that was APPLIED. John MacArthur is teaching a heresy here.
gallantentry 1 week ago
@gallantentry
Your god is very wicked named YWHW.He plans before the foundations of the world that man would sin,his son would be born through his rape of 13yr engaged Mary and then men would have to lie and kill to get his sacrifice killed to be a sweet savor to his nostrols.
Now,just believe this wicked immoral bullshit and you are saved from eternal punishment.Haven't heard of this wickedness?To bad,you still are going to hell for ever tomented by the delight of YWHW. l8<o
thedagonjones 1 week ago
@thedagonjones I am sorry you don't understand why the need for free will. There had to be a fruit of knowledge because without it, there is no free will. And without free will, we have no capacity to love.
gallantentry 1 week ago
@gallantentry
You believe that lie?Who taught you that filth? Paul claims there are ignoble vessles which are designed for hell so YWHW can be glorified as they scream and curse and shake their fists at a demonic being who destined them to torture so that he can have his orgasms.This is sick,demented crap.This YWHW demon,tells people to burn children and christians wail and moan as if borestroked up the @ss.It is pure terror and a complete fabrication told by pagan suited priests.
thedagonjones 1 week ago
@thedagonjones God would not have sent His Son to the cross if He took pleasure in people going to hell. Jesus died for all mankind. We have a choice to either receive His gift or not. But God has made a Way for all. Paul did not teach that anyone was made for destruction in the sense that God made them to suffer. They are made and God has foreknowledge of who will choose to deny the Saviour. You take things out of context and it clouds your understanding.
gallantentry 1 week ago
@gallantentry
You are only spewing out lies spoken by your church.You care less if god says something or not.How is it you know the bible and I do not the the capacity?Oh,that is right,you have the revealer of all things which is the lying pen of Rome.LMFAO.God says he never commanded,mentioned nor even thought of human sacrifice.Jer7:30,19:5.You do not believe him.I rebuke you in Jesus name.
You are a blood lust pagan.Jesus died as an insurgent NOT as a sacrifice.
thedagonjones 1 week ago
@thedagonjones You are incorrect.The OT points to Christ. All the sacrifices that God commanded where an illustration of the sacrifice to come. "Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;" Hebrews 10:5. I could give numerous examples.
gallantentry 1 week ago
@gallantentry
You give examples of demonic manipulation and control by Rome.Tell me,if Abram would have obeyed god's decree NOT to kill people,Gen9, and told the satanic being wanting him to kill and burn his son,"Fuck you.I will NOT kill my second son"(Ishmael was his first son),what would YWHW have done?Would he have killed Abram?Would he have cursed him for being obedient and rejecting evil?
God said HE NEVER COMMANDED NOR THOUGHT OF THIS EVIL.
Jer19:5, 7:30, 32:35, Lev20:1-5
thedagonjones 1 week ago
@gallantentry
We know Paul is a self proclaim and yes false apostle.You call Jesus and his apostle and God,Deut 13:1-5, a liar. Paul,used of Rome,teaches to break god's laws.Jesus warned about this as did YWHW.Christians twist Jer31 and claim they are in a new dispensation to do anything.Are you of the house of Israel or Judah?Have men ceased learning of god?You are deceived and a damn fool.You will be accountable before god and I rebuke you in the name of the demigod Jesus.
thedagonjones 1 week ago
@thedagonjones You have no verses to back your claim of what Jesus taught and Paul ever being in contradiction to what Jesus said. You are sadly mistaken yet again. Everything you have said has been disproved and you keep changing the subject because you cannot admit the truth. Sorry, but that is sad. God bless you.
gallantentry 6 days ago
@gallantentry
You have sadly chosen to follow demonized Paul and reject Jesus.You care less what Jesus says.Paul plagerizes Plato word for word and claims he received it in dreams from his Jesus.He admits to getting so proud,he claims god sent a demonic to torment him.Christianities founder and greatest christian is demonically oppressed by his own mouth.Did not Jesus come to destroy the works of the devil?Paul says this is how God controls Paul's pride.This is straight from hell
thedagonjones 6 days ago
@thedagonjones wrong again. The works of the devil that Jesus destroyed have nothing to do with God using the devil to buffet someone. You are not learned and speaking out of turn.
gallantentry 6 days ago
@gallantentry
Are you agreeing with the ravenous wolf Paul and stating that God sent a Satanic force to prevent Paul from being conceited as a result of the wonderful dreams He gives Paul?Is this your position?Are you stating that God cannot make 1 holy through his Holy Spirit and Satan needed to live holy?Is this truly your position?LMFAO fool.
Your god is demonic god of Paul false apostle.You,as MacCarther,will do anything to continue exalting the enemy of Jesus and r deceived.
thedagonjones 6 days ago
@thedagonjones You seem to forget the story of Job in the OT. God allowed Satan to cause tribulation in the life of a believer the same way He did with Paul.
You like calling ppl a fool and yet Jesus warned strongly against such actions. You have revealed your heart.
God uses Satan as a tool to keep us humble because we have free will deny the Holy Spirit because we are sinners in the flesh. You need to start studying the Bible because your understanding is amiss.
gallantentry 6 days ago
@gallantentry
I am like Jesus.Lk12:20.Because you reject Jesus words in exchange for flavorful,treacherous words of lawless Paul,I speak His words."Thou FOOL,tonight your soul will be required of you."
You do everything in power to muddy Jesus'words in exhange for your father Paul.He desires to be your father.Jesus forbids this.Jesus bids follow himself.Paul begs you to follow himself.
Job is NOT inspired.You believe unicorns?Leviathin?Reversal God's protection?Demonic stuff.
thedagonjones 6 days ago
@gallantentry
Are say before God He sent Satan to oppress Saul disguised as Apostle Paul refusing to answer prayers making the devil flee?
We know the WHOLE Epistle of James rebukes Paul.After destroying Paul's godless doctrine of faith ch2,he continues 4:7 explicitely stating,"resist the devil and he will FLEE from you."Ch5James rebukes Paul for his cursing."These cursings ought NOT be."He rebukes Pauls swaring oaths in God's name.Paul swares several times he isn't lying.LMFAO
thedagonjones 5 days ago
@gallantentry
Yes,Paul even swares before the Holy Spirit he is not lying.Who does this.Jesus said"let yeas be yeas and neas,neas."
You are so stubborn and your heart so wicked you would even commit murder to protect your master Paul as many have done I do believe.You resist God and CANNOT state you were not told.
The complete Ep of James is that recorded trial of tha false apostle Paul.Jesus applaudes Ephisus for trying this false apostel.Rev2.Paul calls them,and u,stiffnecked.
thedagonjones 5 days ago
@thedagonjones I am sorry you are an angry person. I hope you find the love of Jesus and listen to Paul when he said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved."
gallantentry 5 days ago
@gallantentry
Why do you then uphold the demonic doctrine of Paul if you believe Jesus?He was saying believe what I say not believe I am dying and I want you to believe I am the bloody sin sacrifice for you.
If you search our Leviticus,you will see a female goat or sheet had to be used for a sin sacrifice.It was a FEMALE for sin sacrifice not a male. How is it you are i opposition to all of what the Father and Jesus said?You bring coals upon your head for opposing sound doctrine.
thedagonjones 5 days ago
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@thedagonjones
I have been watching your debate with g-man. I did not at first agree with you as I have been spoon feed the pauline doctrine since birth. I see why christians attack you as they cannot stand against your powerful words. Your words are huge my man. I can clearly see how Paul opposed Jesus and how the Christian church has been codling a demon possessed imposture. I know you mentioned jesuswordsonly(dot)com. Have you youtubed or googled, false apostle Paul?Huge info.
worksequalsalvation 5 days ago
@worksequalsalvation
Thanks.People such as MacArthur will be severely judged by God for their deception and propetuating Paul's false doctrine from hell. These guys are so entrenched with their retirements and life style funded by illegal tithing they will never stop teaching this Satanic stuff even if Jesus warned them.Wait...he did.He said anyone says I returned,"do not believe it."Mat24.Paul said he also appeared to him.1Cor15,Act9.Paul gets ALL his doctrine from dreams.
thedagonjones 5 days ago
@thedagonjones Psalm 69:31 This will please the LORD more than an ox, more than a bull with its horns and hoofs. Sorry again but you are wrong. You are trying to talk over your head and it's not working. You do not understand what you are talking about. Why don't you read the Bible yourself instead of listening and preaching the doctrine of fools.
gallantentry 5 days ago
@gallantentry
Are you referring to David who hung 7 men as a sacrifice to YWHW so a drought would end? Sounds like a lot of other fairy tales...we can only hope. If true, what a demonic god. You cannot resist any scripture I correct you with proving your lack of education and understanding.You are typical just jumping around from subject to subject and continually get buried in the confusion you chose to fuck up your life.LMFAO fooool
thedagonjones 5 days ago
@thedagonjones Every affliction arises from sin, and should lead us to repent and humble ourselves before God; but some troubles especially show that they are sent to bring sin to remembrance. God's judgments often look a great way back, which requires us to do so, when we are under his rebukes. It is not for us to object against the people's smarting for the sin of their king. God often visits the sins of the fathers upon the children, and he gives no account of any matters.
gallantentry 5 days ago
@gallantentry
That is a lie from Satanic NT.
“The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son.”Ez18:20
You fooool. Tonight your soul will be required of you.You accuse God falsely and are a big fat liar.You foooooooool.
As a christian,washed uder the spicket of Jesus christ's blood stream, you are rebuked before the throne and all the beasts. You are NOT worthy to drink Christ blood.
thedagonjones 5 days ago
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gallantentry 5 days ago
@gallantentry
You foooooool.It matters what god says.You are the false accuser of the brethern and god.You are rebuked and shunned. You have spoken lies and the bible has exposed your evil heart full of lies and vipers.REPENT for the kingdom of heaven is at hand....
thedagonjones 5 days ago
@gallantentry
"But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him.
And going out of the tomb, they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich.
And after six days Jesus told him what to do, and in the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body.
And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God." Secret Gospel of Mark
Jesus was a homosexual.
thedagonjones 5 days ago
@thedagonjones And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together. Genesis 22:8
gallantentry 1 week ago
@thedagonjones "Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”
John 19:11.
gallantentry 1 week ago
@thedagonjones Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. (God placed Pilate in the position of authority)
gallantentry 1 week ago
@thedagonjones Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about." Gen. 22
gallantentry 1 week ago
@gallantentry
If you have never heard of the demigod Jesus(sungod or Tammuz),you will be damned forever and ever as god plays the fiddle and stokes the coals.Even babies will be in hell at his choosing.
"The wicked are estranged from the womb; They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies. Psalms 58:3
Again,very wicked,immoral stuff by any standard of right.
Go read your forged book of lies and manipulation as you sexually frolic thinking your blood god loves you.LMFAO
thedagonjones 1 week ago
@thedagonjones Babies do not go to hell, they are not held accountable for their sins.
You don't know what the Bible says, but it would serve you well to read it. Nothing you have said reflects Biblical understanding.
gallantentry 1 week ago
Isn't He a Calvinist?
ThePsalm40 6 months ago
@ThePsalm40 Yes
BecominglikeJESUS 6 months ago
@ThePsalm40 ....What are you?,anyway?, The question is Did Pastor MacArthur is preaching the sound Doctrine?,If He preach the sound Doctrine,Then He is not a calvinist!....I suggest to study the Scripture Diligently,go more deeper.
Sebasnoy63 2 weeks ago
why does he says it's a methaphor?
I disagree!
EvanConnellyNovacek 6 months ago 2
@EvanConnellyNovacek when it talks about the blood saving us and john macarthur said it was a metaphor meaning the physical blood of Jesus isn't what saves us. If it did the every one of the people who beat Him and nailed Him to the cross and got any of His blood on them it would have saved them all.
Death2TheFlesh 6 months ago
I heard Dr J Vernon McGee suggest that the blood was collected literally and taken into Heaven in one of his daily Thru the Bible radio programs. I respect Dr McGee and him and John MacArthur are probably the two preachers that I enjoy listening to the most. But apparently they have a different opinion on this matter.
xhemexx 8 months ago
John 6:56 (King James Version) 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
cshapes305 8 months ago
In the Old Testament During passover, it was the Blood of the Lamb spread on the Door that saved the first born.
Exodus 12:7 (King James Version) 7And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
1 Peter 1:19 (King James Version) 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
cshapes305 9 months ago 5
@cshapes305 Guys!, that is a shallow understanding of the Bible!,
Sebasnoy63 2 weeks ago
@cshapes305
Get your story straight.The sin offereing had to be FEMALE.The fabricators of this wicked system of blood libel forgot to change that detail.YWHW tells a man to murder and burn his son.Gen22.To bad he forbid murder in Gen9.Abram wickedly attempted to burn his second,not first, but SECOND son.
YWHW is nothing but the Canaanite god Baal and El.Ha,ha,ha,ha.What foolish people these violent christians are.I rebuke them in all that is holy,right and true.
thedagonjones 1 week ago
Revelation 1:5 (King James Version) 5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
How can we wash away something with death? We wash things with soap and water. In this case our sins with the Precious Blood of the Lamb.
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cshapes305 9 months ago
So let's just change 1 Peter 1: 18, 19 like the Emergent Church guys love to do and say:-
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious asphyxiation of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: (1Pe 1:18-19).
lessingtom 9 months ago
John is not the enemy Satan is the enemy. It is incredible how we spend so much time fighting men of God who risk their lives and reputation everyday. But we live here so this will not end until we go home. john you are doing a great John keep it up. If you believe this man is wrong pray that God will open his eyes and do not attack like he is an enemy of God.
789wade 9 months ago
or is it maybe that God has chosen you and i for his glory and justly chosen otjers to be vessels of wrath still to demonstrate HIS glory. Cannot God do as He pleases? He he bound by our demands and our choices? Where does mans free choice fit in with God recieving ALL the glory for a souls salvation?
denniskkk1 10 months ago
@denniskkk1 ..Sorry for my late response, on " other posts" I get notified by email. I did not on this one, just happened to check back. So the question you pose is How can a hell bound sinner ever love God. Well, you are leaving severalfacts out of this equation ! First, we are "made in the Image of God"(that means tha tevery person has a longing for a "spiritual relationship". Second, the Holy Spirit is given to "draw us to God". Thirdly, when we hear the gospel preached, faith can ...
sorens70601 9 months ago
..."spring up" in our heart, by the Holy Spirit, and we can become convicted of our Sins, and turn to God. This is the Gospel, and how things actually work. You have "bought into" the Catholic/masonic error of "Augustinian-ism", called Calvinism, and so , just like putting on "red glasses" everything concerning biblical truth, now becomes "red". I can give you the facts, disproving Calvinism, but the hardest thing to open is a "closed mind". So it is up to you, whether you will accept or not
sorens70601 9 months ago
I think a lot of people might have a clear view of mans sinfulness and wickedness. Isnt your view that man must believe to be saved? Well why does one man believe and not another other? There is NOTHING in man to even want to believe so why does any man believe? why do u and i believe right now as we speak? did we simply make a wiser choice then my friend Tyler who does not believe as of yet?
denniskkk1 10 months ago
@sorens70601 "Praise God for God, for be it not for God I could not love God." Explain to me with love how a sinful hell minded man could EVER love a holy and righteous God? How could a sinner ever "choose" out of his own God opposed "free will" to love a God he so desperately hates?..God saves, my friend, and Praise God I cant stop Him!.
denniskkk1 10 months ago
and please do not mock reformed theology. i hold to its teachings and do not tell me that it is WRONG to give God all the glory in salvation.. lol it took me forever to grasp that I AM NOT GOD....geez...and neither r u ..
denniskkk1 10 months ago
@sorens.... come on... r u seriously not understanding that the bible isnt always literal.... this is one of those times my friend...jesus had to shed his blood for the remission of sins but its his death that saves!
denniskkk1 10 months ago
@denniskkk1 .. Yes, I am very serious, and its not only "one of those times" as I counted "18 different times" in only the limited passages of scriptures I posted below. Remission of sins, is in his Blood, and since you have "bought into" the masonic "reformed heresy" (Augustininan-ism, called Calvinism) you have never experienced true "biblical salvation". 2.Jn.9, says; " He that transgresseth, and abideth Not in the doctrine of Christ, Hath Not God..." What part of TULIP conforms to ...
sorens70601 10 months ago
...the doctrine of Christ ? Let's see; "T", (Total depravity) man is so corrupt, Not capable of making a choice to follow the Lord. (is that true according to scripture ?) Read Mt.11:20, and Lk.13:34, (In the KJV) and you will find out, that Jesus "upbraided them for Not repenting, as well as, "but Ye were not willing". ( No total depravity, or inability here) Next; "U", (Unconditional Election) Some "elected/chosen" to salvation, some Not. (is that true?) Of course Not, The scriptures ..
sorens70601 10 months ago
..teach, that Christ is the "Elect", the "Chosen". Read Mt.12:18, Lk.23:35, Isa.42:1, (in the KJV) When we believe the Gospel, (washed in His Blood ) we become the elect, the chosen, because we are "in Christ" . It's not about Us, It's about Christ ! Next; "L", (Limited Atonement) Christ's atonement only for "certain individuals". (Is that true ?) Read Jn.3:16, Lk.2:10, Lk.2:31, 2.Pet.3:9, Rev.22:17, (in the KJV) and you will find, the atonement is for all people.(whosoever will) ...
sorens70601 10 months ago
...Next: "I", ( Irresistable Grace) A person "has no ability" to resist God's Call. (Is that true?) Read Mt.11:20, Acts.7:51, (in the KJV) You will find that is is possible to resist God's call. Next: "P", (Preserverance of the saints) Also known as "Once Saved Always Saved". (is that true?) Read Jn.8:31, 1.Tim.1:19, 2.Tim.4:7, 2.Pet.2:20-22, (in the KJV) and you will learn that "if you continue" and if you "keep the faith", you will not as some "put away concerning the faith", make ...
sorens70601 10 months ago
.."shipwreck". ((become lost, as in "Backslidden", a biblical term from the Old Testament) This is the TRUE GOSPEL in a "nutshell", and contrary to the "Mac Arthur Gospel" , propagating the Satanic deception of Aurelius Augustine , Called Calvinism. The choice is yours, either to "Abide in the doctrine of Christ", or to Transgress the "doctrine of Christ" by following the false teachings of John Mac Arthur, in his propagation of Satans deception, called 'Calvinism'. And I am very serious !!!
sorens70601 10 months ago
There is no such thing as divine blood, God does not have fingers, eyes, ears or blood. It is the human part of Christ that has those things not the divine therefore there is no "divine blood". The divine nature of Christ can be everywhere all at once, the divine knows everything but the human part of Christ can only be in one place at one time and there were things he did not know. This is why you have to study doctrine so you dont make mistakes like this.
volkl78 1 year ago
So if Christ shed water instead of blood atonement by death would have occurred?There is no mystical attachment to Christ blood but it was distinct.Christ cried with a loud voice at death Eloi Eloi etc does that sound like He was at of breath? We know he died of asphyxiation? Christ died before the others, He was totally wounded beyond measure unrecognizable. He bled to death.This heresy is not some small error in doctrine.
polopowers1 1 year ago
So any sinless man can redeem?.Could Adam have died for sin before his fall?. Did Adam's blood change by the fall YES Christ blood was the distinction of God's accepting.The Holy Spirit made the body and blood of Christ distinct. The blood of Christ was totally distinct .Adam sinned passed death in consummation by blood.Death passed upon all men because all have sinned.Christ distinct in blood not having hereditary sin was necessary or there is no Atonement.It is the blood that makes Atonement
polopowers1 1 year ago
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To all those who are brand new Christians & those who have been justified by faith please DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS GARBAGE! This is a religous spirit & has led many to doubt their salvation, exchange their faith which satan is greatly after for a lie, to "prove" your saved via Washer, Piper, Macarthur & the like. Keep your Armor on please!!! I have videos that challenge these heretical teachings of TULIP Calvinism, Armenianism & the like The wrath Washer is exhibiting is not of God but of the flesh
PureGraceEvangelism 1 year ago
@PureGraceEvangelism You told STP you didn't even know what Calvinism was a month ago...lol. And you still don't. You then send me a vid of your prayer about her, then block me from replying to it, just as you had blocked me before, after you'd mocked me, then apologized, then removed the vid where where you mocked me, only to then uploaded it again...all comments gone. You may hide your devilish behavior from the world, but don't think for a moment that God doesn't see it.
Passiflora101 1 year ago
@PureGraceEvangelism And as proof of your ridiculous claims here, you are callng both Calvinism AND Arminianism heretical...lol. Take your pick - you are one or the other if you're most any kind of Protestant. You just don't know it. Further, the very fact that you can't even spell Arminianism speaks volumes about your knowledge of same. Calling Calvin a murderer shows how little you know about him or church history. My, oh my. You can't even pronounce the word "sovereignty" correctly.
Passiflora101 1 year ago
@Passiflora101 Maybe she thinks we're Armenian Calvinists ;)
Ok, perhaps a little bit snarky...but it was just too cute to pass up :P
skintightpotato 1 year ago
@skintightpotato "She" is a "he" and a deluded one at that.
Passiflora101 1 year ago
@Passiflora101 - I was talking about the mis-spelling our little miss (PGE) made ("Armenian") :P But you are right about the deluded part.
skintightpotato 1 year ago
@skintightpotato LOL! I forgot she was in this thread, too! I don't think she even saw my replies because she's blocked me, so it seems that she would not receive notification of my replies to her here in the thread. She is most definitely deluded...no question in my mind. I just loved her "deep" study of historic Calvinism, didn't you? :-p
Passiflora101 1 year ago
@Passiflora101 To say it was unproficient would be an egregious understatement. It was like watching comedy...if it weren't so tragic. Honestly, just so very tragic.
skintightpotato 1 year ago
@skintightpotato Yes, tragic. Even more tragic are the people who buy into her "special revelations." Everyone wants to "experience" God, but many ask, "Why waste time on reading His Word? It's a contradiction satan absolutely loves. Saved 5 years & thinks she's got the goods on a 5th generation preacher who's been preaching for over 50 years, not to mention his astounding accomplishments in the service of our Lord. Mind boggling.
My cat just ran straight into the pool. He forgot. :)
Passiflora101 1 year ago
@Passiflora101 "My cat just ran straight into the pool"
Oh no! Poor kitty :O
skintightpotato 1 year ago
@skintightpotato He was apparently fixated on a flying bug. Dashed right past me while I was sitting & reading. Kinda forgot about the pool being there...lol. We generally keep him indoors & "catsit" him in the backyard. First time he was out there, he fell in out of ignorance. He's drank from it every time he goes out, so I can only surmise his hunting instincts took over his foreknowledged wisdom. (c:
Passiflora101 1 year ago
@skintightpotato Oops. Left out an end quotation mark after the word, Word?"
8-/
Passiflora101 1 year ago
@skintightpotato Sola FYYYYYYDE! :-)
Passiflora101 1 year ago
What he's saying is there was no magical, mystical property to the blood that flowed through Christ's veins. It was no different than the blood in any other human being. When He healed people, did He BLEED on them? NO. He TOUCHED them. The power of the blood is in the fact that it was Christ's blood, shed for many.
It's not that Christ's blood was any different than yours or mine. Truth is, it's the SHEDDING of His blood and His DEATH that provides forgiveness of sins.
fourpointer 1 year ago
@Passiflora101 I actually heard the words come out of his mouth twice . Once on his show on the NRB network and on wretched . I know what I heard and what he meant by what he said. Please dont try to tell me I heard wrong or misunderstood I know those word games and I dont play them. God Bless .
sgtwalker64 1 year ago
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@sgtwalker64 RE: " I actually heard the words come out of his mouth twice ."
Uh...what are you talking about? If it's about the blood of Christ, that's not what you & I were discussing, which was Calvinism. And I see by your channel that your one of the "conspiracy theorists," too. I'm waiting to hear you say Mac is a Free Mason...lol. And it's a good thing that "religious" MEN of the past preserved the Word, eh? Where'd we be without MEN like Spurgeon or Guttenburg?
Passiflora101 1 year ago
YES ! There is POWER in the FLUID BLOOD. The Scripture says "Life is in the Blood" Without SHEDDING of Blood there is no forgiveness of Sin. "A body thou hast prepared me, I come to do thy will oh God." We are commanded NOT to eat Blood for this Reason. John Macarthur has the spirit of antichrist. Satanists and Freemasons cannot teach Gods word disguise as sheep. The Lord Jesus Christ Rebuke You!!
DiscernAllThings 1 year ago
This is all lies which isnt surprising with the cult of Calvinism . I pray for you lost sheep daily. If you Calvinist would stop reading books by religious people and learn to read the actual word of God you would see people like MacArthur are no better then Osteen and Warren .
sgtwalker64 1 year ago
@sgtwalker64 Sounds to me like you're referring to hyper-Calvinism, rather than historic Calvinism. Do you know the difference? Most Arminians do not. Historic Calvinism is written all over the Bible. I used to be Arminian, too...for 40 ignorant years.
Passiflora101 1 year ago
@sgtwalker64 Looks like I agree with you.
jundurias 1 year ago
MacArthur is spot on on this doctrine. The Blood of Christ is simply a metaphor, a representative analogy, a metonym for the Atoning Death of Christ. This is proven by the term "the Blood of the Lamb." The Lamb is clearly a metonym and so the Blood also is a metonym.
egwpisteuw 1 year ago 5
@egwpisteuw Very good point about the "blood of the Lamb"
Good job way to interpret scripture with scripture!
BecominglikeJESUS 1 year ago
Wow after two months of my comment, BecominglikeJESUS fails to reply to my comments.
bibleword 1 year ago
Here is a brief explanation of the blood of humans and the blood of Jesus. John MacArthur teaches that there is no difference. I beg to differ. When Adam sinned, he caused his sin to make us all sinners. Adam's sin corrupted his sinless blood that God created. Jesus is sinless though, and if he has the blood of humans, He is a sinner because we are all of the same blood line. Remember though, Jesus was born of a virgin and if that wasn't the case, He would have the blood of a human.
bibleword 1 year ago
@bibleword Yes, Jesus' blood did not contain the sin nature because his entire cell structure did not contain the sin nature. He was "the Lamb unblemished and spotless" (1 Pet 1:19). However, this does not mean that the Blood in the phrase "Blood of Christ" is to be taken literally. Do a study of the Greek word αἷμα (haima) as used in the New Testament. You will see it is predominantly used figuratively as a metaphor for death. Likewise, the term "Blood of Christ" is simply a metaphor.
egwpisteuw 1 year ago
@bibleword Regarding your comment, "Jesus was born of a virgin and if that wasn't the case, He would have the blood of a human."...was she a divine virgin or a human virgin? Your deduction is illogical. Mary was a mortal, a human, a sinner. Jesus was 100% human & 100% divine, & you'd do well not to call MacArthur a heretic on this matter, especially in light of your illogical deduction. You're a prime example to people to not get their theology from laybloggers on internet forums.
Passiflora101 1 year ago
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OF COURSE Mary was a sinner (Rom. 3:23), but that is beside the point. The Bible says He was conceived by the HOLY GHOST, NOT Mary. God only used Mary because she was a godly woman. Also, I DO NOT get my "theology" from forums, I get it from God's Word and God says it is HIS Blood that atones for our sin (Leviticus 17:11; Romans 9:22)
bibleword 1 year ago
@bibleword Your answer is a strawman argument to deflect away from your original comment, "Jesus was born of a virgin and IF THAT WASN'T THE CASE, HE WOULD HAVE THE BLOOD OF A HUMAN." What you're saying is that since she was a virgin, He didn't have human blood. Makes no sense. 2nd point: Did Jesus have to die? And if so, what did He die from? Bleeding or asphyxiation?
Passiflora101 1 year ago
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Only if Joseph had sex with her and she would not be a virgin, Jesus would have had human blood. Even Science books teach that without the man, no blood could enter to the child and create one. Jesus Christ was born miraculousy by the Holy Ghost Himself and by default, has blood of God. Besides that, the church was purchased with God's own blood. Obviously, Jesus' blood was sinless and divine.
bibleword 1 year ago
@bibleword Oops! Pressed the 'thumbs up' button instead of the 'reply' button by mistake. I think you're missing my point. Jesus' mother was a HUMAN, not divine. If you think she was divine, you're aligning up with Catholics. Jesus was 100% HUMAN & 100% divine. Yes, Jesus was sinless, but His blood was BOTH HUMAN & divine. Her virginity had nothing to do with His blood. And I'll ask you again - Did Jesus have to die, & if so, from what? Bleeding or asphyxiation?
Passiflora101 1 year ago
@Passiflora101 Catholics do not think Mary was divinity.
pharmfarm59538 1 year ago
@pharmfarm59538 Yes, Catholics DO believe, or should I say teach, that Mary was divine. If you're Catholic, go to your Catechism. "Mary - 'the All-Holy,' lived a perfectly sinless life" [411 and 483]. They also teach "Mary is the Mother of God" [963, 971, 2677], not the earthly mother of Jesus. Nor is Mary the "Mother of the Church" [963, 975], but simply a member of the Church. Just the tip of the iceberg of the RCC's false teachings...only 3 here, but I know almost 60 more.
Passiflora101 1 year ago
@Passiflora101 Yes as Christians theology developed to a more full understanding of Christ being fully divine, then Mary who was Christs mother became regarded as mother of God. She is not regarded as divine in the sense that she is part of the Trinity. When Catholics profess their faith and recite the Nicean creed she is not glorified as God as the FAther, Son, and Holy Ghost are. Mary is venerated, ot worshiped in the Catholic church although many would falsely claim that.
pharmfarm59538 1 year ago
@pharmfarm59538 Why worship Mary, a human, instead of Christ alone? That is idol worship. Christ was 100% divine as the Son of God & 100% human as the son of Mary. Great emphasis was placed on Mary in "The Passion of the Christ" movie. Why? Mel Gibson is Catholic. No one needs Mary or any saint as an intercessor either. Christ is the only Mediator - "Solus Christus" ("Christ Alone") was one of the Five Solas of the Reformation.
Passiflora101 1 year ago
@Passiflora101 We are told to pray for each other. And we are told the the prayer of a righteous man availeth much. So... we do need intercessory prayer. Even Christ in the Lords prayer instructed us to intercede. So your statement that no one needs a Saint to intercede is biblically wrong. The question then becomes can Saints who have died still pray for us. Either way you believe on this, it doesn not make you not a Christian to come up on the wrong side of the issue.
pharmfarm59538 1 year ago
@Passiflora101 Again you are wrong. Catholics do not worship Mary as you falsely say. They venerate or highly regard her. She gave God a human body through her pregnancy and she did it willingly, likely knowing how hard it would be for her. "Hail Mary, the Lord is with thee, Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of they womb, Jesus"......as the Sacred Word would say.
pharmfarm59538 1 year ago
@Passiflora101 Actually Catholics are not the only Christians that believe that Mary led a sinless life. That is not an uniquely Catholic teaching if you read many protestant writers many of them believed it too.
pharmfarm59538 1 year ago
@pharmfarm59538 If Mary was human, she was a sinner just like everyone else, no matter what these misguided Prostestant writers you are pointing out believed - whoever they are.
Passiflora101 1 year ago
@Passiflora101 Many protestant reformers like Zwingly, and Calvin believed that Mary was a virgin all her life. Even hundreds of years after the reformation men like Wesley believed it...Regarding Mary as a special and blessed woman is not a "Catholic" doctrine. It is a Christian belief that most 21st century American evangelicals have lost. As for her being sinless, even if they are wrong on this, it doesn't negate their Christian commitment as you seem to think.
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