How can all his be? what about the scrolls recently found in the dead sea in 2009?
How can any of these printings be complete? What's on those scrolls? and who wrote them? until the words from all these scrolls are where they were intended to be, I
And to think the world's just rolling on and tons of newest of the newest are hot off the press
oh my good gosh
God does not live in a book he lives inside of you listen to (him/God) no one else.
Martin Luther in his translation of the Bible grouped the books he didnt like together at the end of the other books....in the old testament he grouped the apocyphal books at the end of the OT. In the NT he didnt like Jude Hebrews, James, Revelation......and he grouped them at the end of the NT
He must never have read what Jesus said in Luke 24:44, and Matt. 23:35! "the law of Moses" is the Torah, "the prophets" are the Nabhim, "the psalms" are the Kethubim, just like in the King James Version! This define the Old Testament WITHOUT the Apocrypha, which Jesus NEVER quoted from! Westcott and Hort never cared much for what the Bible has to say in Deu. 4:2, and 12:32!
The apocryphal books were removed by a group of Puritan printers in about 1627. They didnt agree with some of what the Bible taught in those books and the of the Bible societiess would not pay for them either.
My beef with this reproduction edition is firstly the horrible modern cover; they should have moulded a copy of the original cover. Secondly they have used a computer programme to reset the original typeface to change the letter f to s. thirdly the original was a large volume and this is ridiculously small, so small in terms of typography that it is very hard for anyone over 50 to read it.
If what ever Bible you use has the power to of the Holy Ghost to move a lost sinner to trust Jesus as Their only way OUT of Hell and INTO Heaven then there should be no fighting over Gods true words. If you have them, use them to get a lost sinful world on its way to Heaven. Matthew 28;19-20. GOD said it no matter what Bible you use so "Go".
@hudman2010 i agree with you that the bible should be used to bring a lost sinner to Christ. My argument here is that the we should have the WHOLE Bible, not just 66 books. by removing 7 books many Christians have lost those 7 divine, inspired books that reveal truth to the lost sinner as well as to all of us.
God didnt have his Church compile the bible and be guided by the Holy Ghost to deem 73 books as the inspired, perfect word of God just to have 7 of them removed in 1820AD.
Still you cannot answer me? Out of all the people of the world that say God spoke to them, do you believe it is only you that God reveals the truth to? Many who believe that God spoke to them contradict the others who say the same thing. And all are using the same bible to prove the other wrong. When God "speaks" to you, is that the infallible Word of God? If you wrote it down, would it be the Written Word of God? I doubt you will answer that.
Do not be deceived,test the spirits if anyone teaches a different gospel then the one I have taught then he is a liar,move on and be thankful,in Christ.
@teed60 - 20,000 protestant denominations, and all teaching a different gospel than each other. The only original gospel, still being preached today, and has been here since the apostles, is the Catholic Church. All others are a liar in one point or another.
And furthermore, if the bishops, popes, fathers of the early Church cannot be trusted to have made a correct bible, what makes us think 60 scholars in Shakespearian England ages later would? So, St. Jerome, an expert in hebrew and Greek, living in a cave where Christ was born in the 4th Century, got the bible wrong, but some resident of James I's London DID get it right? What made James' scholars 'infallible'??
Fundamentalists are really odd. They always want to peel back the centuries of 'Roman Catholic add-ons' and 'uneccessary' things and go back to the 'original' form of Christianity, YET these same folks claim that only after SIXTEEN centuries did a true infallible bible come to be. The Holy Spirit let 16 centuries go by before making a perfect version?
James I in 1609 told Parliment: my power is from God; I am equal to God, and a god; I have almighty power over all things -life, death, etc. James was a tyrant who suppressed religious freedom, executing RCs by drawing and quartering and burning the entrails while the vicitim was alive. Yet 'bible' Christians claim HE was 'infallible' Can figs come from thistles? Can an infallible bible be produced by such a man? Hmmmmmm....
Further more I am not here because I want to be hateful or I want to be right or I want to win. God has shown me the truth spoke to me given me many gift among them speaking in tounges. I know the truth and I love you in a pure brotherly/sisterly way and I want to show you the truth. If you are interested in learning the truth then you must be open to it. Iam praying God will open your eyes weather you believe it or not.
@coolvideo28 - So God spoke to you, did He? Do you mean like he spoke to Joseph Smith, the founder of the Morman church? Or like all the other denominational leaders who think He spoke to them? And if He spoke to you, would that then be The Infallible Word of God? If you wrote down what He said, would that then be The Infallible Written Word of God? The "Tongues" that you are speaking is not the same "Tongues" the bible speaks of. You are very misguided and have a lot to learn. Pray for wisdom.
@coolvideo28 You are a little late in praying for my eyes to be opened - God opened them years ago. There are a great many problem with your understanding of 'truth'. I understand why you failed to address any issue I mentioned, maybe deep inside you really do see the problem and can't admit it. You are obviously immature with your reasoning and have been told by your denomination what to think. I will show you many more things from the bible where you err in your beliefs if you would like.
@ihsrc I will keep praying for you as your eyes are obviusly fixed on what you think is right & not what Gods word says, u assume things about me with No basis at all. I am of No denomination I read the Bible and Jesus God Shows me the truth through himself his living word the Bible. What God said to me is truth he has told me things that are going to happen in my life years ago that are happening now. message me if you wish we can discuss what ever you wish God bless
@manche44 God didnt tell me to tell others what he told me, what he told me would happen is happening right now. I sense that you are only tr0.ying to mock me so Bye
@Littlezombie there is a problem with your logic. Just because people condemn something doesnt prove that the thing being condemned is true. Many people condemn the book of mormon and the quaran; according to your logic that would make both of those books true.
I disagree with the king james bible because it is badly interpreted and it is incomplete, it is missing 7 books and a couple of chapters of Daniel.
@carthage397 Sorry brother but U R wrong on this. That Bible U have in your video is Not even a 1611 KJV Bible. I made the same mistake buying it thinking it was, but after further research I found out it isnt. If U want to find out the truth on this matter go to "jesus is saviorDotcom" just do a search. When U get to the sight type in 1611 KJV Bible & U will see why we believe in 1611 KJV Bible only. I use to read NIV I thought these KJV only people were nuts until I did the research myself
@coolvideo28 you are using that insane website as a reference? That website is the definition of "bearing false witness against your neighbor", they even had to put up a disclaimer trying to justify how they arent a hate site. The home page has a picture of the pope, some protestant pastor and the devil promoting the NIV bible....thats a protestant bible, the pope has nothing to do with it. To make such a far fetched connection shows how ignorant and bigoted the creators of that site are.
@carthage397 All he was showing in that picture was that the NIV Bible is Not Gods word it is a curopted book missing whole verses changing words and verses all over, watering much of the Bible down or in other words it is a doctrine of the devil. What does God say about adding or taking away anything from his word? I use to Read the NIV I thought it was the best and easiest to read Bible until I found some crazy people telling me it was missing verses etc after checking myself they were right
@coolvideo28 the issue i had with the picture is that the pope has nothing to do with the NIV, the NIV is a protestant bible. Catholics dont use or promote that bible and had nothing to do with his translation.
So if this site was honest why would they have a picture of the pope, the devil and some pastor promoting the NIV? the stuff they write on that site is historically and factually false.
@coolvideo28 This is historical fact, martin luther in 1517 deemed 7 books of the bible uninspired, they were not removed but put into an appendix in the bible. 100 years later in 1611 the 1611 king james bible did the same thing. ALL protestant bibles (including the 1611 kjv) had 73 books up until the the 1820's when they were finally removed leaving 66 books.
This is historical fact, look it up from any CREDIBLE source, not some insane site with bolded red text, skulls and devils
@carthage397 So let me get this straight You didnt like the picture on the website so you completly ignored all the evidence he had for proving that all these other newr "Bibles" Are missing verses have added to Gods word changed Jesus to "him" etc etc etc. If a picture can make you sway from seeing a mountain of evidence I am sorry but I feel sorry for you because You will never find out the truth onthis matter. I am of No denomination I believe Gods living word.
@coolvideo28 you are missing what i am saying, that site is a bigoted slanderous site, its not credible. I know my Catholic faith very well and i can tell you from being a knowledgeable Catholic that the site completely, in every way lies and slanders the Catholic Faith. Ill repeat it again, that site completely distorts and outright lies about the Catholic Church.
If a site like that lies through its "teeth" about the catholic church, you have to ask yourself what else are they lying about
@carthage397 ohh just saw that you are catholic in another post. Do you not see that so many things are taught in the catholic church that disagree with the Bible making them lkies but I will show you proof from Gods word that the catholic church is a cult. I wil send it in my next comment.
@coolvideo28 I am a Catholic because the Catholic Church is the Early Church, it compiled the bible and formulated the doctrines that you believe in. If you read the writings of the Early Church Fathers(who were taught by the Apostles) you will see the Catholic Church in ever way, shape and form.
There is nothing that the Catholic Church teaches that go against the bible in the slightest way.....the Bible is a product of the Catholic Church
Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith & continued many of his pagan beliefs & practices. The Christian church that Constantine promoted was a mixture of true Christianity & Roman paganism. replacing Isis with Mary and taking from the religion Mithraism also had seven “sacraments" just a few examples of the start of the Roman catholic church
@carthage397 I will pray God will open your eyes if you are open to the truth pray to God to show you the truth and he will. there is unbelievable amounts of information/history out there if you look at how the catholic church started and how it is in complete contradiction of the Bible Gods living word. Iam of no denomination I believe God and read and study his living word asking for wisdom and understanding. Iam born again because God requires it to go to Heaven. God bless
@coolvideo28 The Catholic Church compiled the Bible in the 3rd Council of Carthage in the year 397AD.....look it up! If the Catholic Church is evil and corrupt (as you say) then simple logic will dictate that the book it compiled (the Holy Bible) is corrupted as well.
It seems like you care more about your traditions then Christian truth. Every person who has been baptized has been born again. You stating that you are non-denominational places into a denomination, you are a protestant
@carthage397 Being baptised has Nothing to do with being born again it appears you believe what you have been told by man were I believe what God tells us is the truth. Read John 3:3-18. If all you needed to do was get a water batism then Jesus wouldnt have had to die. Jesus had to die for our sins and we have to ask him to forgive our sins give our lifes to him when you invite Jesus to be your Lord and Savior you are born again.
@coolvideo28 You say with false modesty that you will pray for me that my eyes will open.....didnt Jesus say before you take the splinter out of your brothers eye first remove the plank from your own?
Why dont you research the origins of your beliefs, they are about 200 years old. your understanding about being saved and born again find their origin in 19th century America. Your belief system is alien in comparison to that of the Early Church.
@carthage397 You make false acusations about me without even asking questions U speak of ignorance but that is the ignorance in this conversation. If U want to know about me ask a question because we both know what assuming does. I believe in Gods living word the Bible I read the 1611 KJV Bible which includes the books that U say my Bible is missing, but King james himself made it clear there not Gods word. The Christian church started techniqly with God speaking to adam a relationship with God
@coolvideo28 i apologize for my bluntness, but the ignorance is very frustrating. If you just read a little "valid" christian history you will see that you hold heretic 200 year old beliefs that were not held by the Apostles and the Early Church.
@coolvideo28 if you want to dialogue respectfully and honestly, we can go over one topic at a time, im cool with that. But if you are just going to continue to copy and paste false history from an anti catholic website i cant talk to you any more.
@carthage397 Dont worry about offending me its very very hard. I speak very boldly about the truth so if I offend you I opoligize ahead a time. If your going to keep threating to end the coversation then just do it now, because I will bring you the truth & due to the subject we are speaking on now the truth will definatly bother you if you cant handle it then like I said end it now. Iam not going to go to catholic websites to show you the truth about the catholic church because its not there.
@coolvideo28 Cult? A cult is an organization that uses brainwashing techniques and refuses its members to leave, the Catholic Church in no way is a cult. You must look up the definition of the word cult before you start throwing it out so loosely.
You calling the Catholic Church a cult is EXTREMELY IGNORANT. You actually broke the commandment "thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor". If you read your Christian history the Catholic Church is the Church Jesus established
@Littlezombie My disagreement with the KJV bible is purely based on historical fact; it is incomplete Bible, therefore i reject it in favor of the complete 73 book Bible.
@carthage397 Iam not coming on here trying to be mean to You I believe we are brothers in Chris Jesus. I only wish to share with you the truth that I found out. You dont need to go to that website I gave you though it is the most thurow I found, but you can just do searches about how books like the NIV have changed Gods word Big time compare the Bibles yourself You will be shocked I know I was. I thought King james only people were crazy until I found out there right and became one
@coolvideo28 It is historical fact that when the 1611 KJV bible was compiled it was compiled with 73 books, it wasnt until 1820 when the 7 books were removed from it. You are free to look it up, check out any credible source. Read a book about the 1611 king james bible and you will see it had 73 books.
When the bible was first compiled it was compiled with 73books by the early church (Catholic Church) in 397AD at the 3rd council of carthage. I am not lying, look it up.
@carthage397 I know what your talking about I am sorry but cant remember what it was called it started with an "A" those books were clearly told that they were not the word of God by even King James himself. The catholic church is a cult I dont even want to go there hope you not catholic
@coolvideo28 again it is historical fact that the Early Church accepted a 73 book bible, the king James bible you use as 66 books, it is incomplete. The 7 books are call the duetrocanonical books by Catholics, Apocrypha by Protestants.
These 7 books were accepted by Jesus, the Apostles and the Early Church, they were only deemed uninspired by Martin Luther 1500 yrs later. So since the King James bible doesnt include these books then therefore it is incomplete and not the best Bible translation
@coolvideo28 i appreciate your kindness, and i believe protestants are my separated brethren, but i cant stand by and not say anything when a group of people are propagating historical and religious error.
Please look up the 3rd council of carthage and the history of the 1611 kjv bible.
@carthage397 Of what denomination or religion ar you? Iam not a protestant Iam a Christian Born again No denomination. I believe in Gods living word thats it any man that disagrees with Gods living word the Bible is wrong. What do You mean protestants are your seperated brethren? Ilove you brother but I tried to show you mountains of evidence that prove the 1611 KJV is the best translation of the original greek hebrew and aramaic, but if you refuse to look at the evidence well...
@coolvideo28 ok i will answer you statements in order.....if you are not Catholic or Orthodox but you say you are a Christian then you are a protestant. People who talk about being born again and being saved and the rapture, etc are protestants. This is a new strain of protestantism thats about 150 years old, watch my video entitled "Are You Catholic or Christian?" I talk about this.
which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer
What does God say about the catholic church that requires certain people to not marry and at certain times Not eat meat in 1 Timothy 4:1-5
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats,
@coolvideo28 here we go again with you repeating the same scripture out of context. I see you are starting with this false fundamentalist history of Catholicism.
Read the Early Church, they all honored Mary, even the early Protestants honored and loved Mary. It seems you do not care about breaking the 10 commandments....."do not bare false witness against they neighbor"
You are spouting out all this slanderous nonsense that any historian condemn but you refuse to do some fact checking.
@carthage397 I gave you No scripture out of context I mearly read scripture that was obviously speaking about the catholic church and Gods living words had much worse things to say about it then me calling it a cult. I need no fact checking you just dont want it to be true so you run to talking about historians who cares about what historians "man" has to say. I care about what God has to say. try adressing the facts what God has to say
I enjoy seeing Christians disagree over their folklore superstitious texts. It's like arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I've thoroughly read the man-made bible, among others, and found it the primary reason why I am an atheist today! The bible has made more people atheist than any secular text I've ever encountered.
@FaganRoberts i would have to reply to that: the bible read out of context without consulting an authority on the matter leads to problems.
One question: if you, an atheist, solely subscribe to materialism, truth which is immaterial doesnt exist in your atheistic philosophy. So if truth (immaterial) doesn't exist then why even argue that the bible is a false man-made book? If truth doesnt exist then your point of view at best is your own subjective opinion.....so why even make an argument?
@carthage397 I could never begin to argue on the false premises you propose. You'll have to go back and provide something better than a strawman premise to even be considered for a response. And I think you know what that premise is, because you're smarter than that.
@FaganRoberts i didnot provide a straw man, you made arrogant, immature attack on Christianity ("I enjoy seeing Christians disagree over their folklore superstitious texts"). I gave a suggestion why someone who "read the entire bible" came to this conclusion ("i suggested maybe you didnt understand the literal and historical context of what you were reading).
And then i made a counter attack on atheism to point out how pure atheism is incompatible with intelligent thought.
@carthage397 What intelligent person can really believe in talking snakes, parting seas, burning bushes, virgin births, Noah's ark, zombies, etc.? Who are you trying to kid here? Dump your religion. I tell you, it's messing with your mind.
@FaganRoberts my religion is messing with my mind?.... the Catholic Church provides 40% of the social services in the world and has basically built western civilization after the fall of the roman empire. The Church has fostered the sciences, arts, preserved not just the bible but secular writings from the greeks and romans during the barbarian invasions, founded the university system. All the major cities in europe were originally catholic centers of learning.
@carthage397 Please name one act of kindness, innovation or generosity performed by a religious person that cannot be performed by a non-believer? Please name an act of malevolence, evil or violence that can only be made by a person of faith because of religion? (You cannot name ANY in the former) In the latter, one can name thousands! i.e. planes flying into building.
@FaganRoberts of course atheists can do the same good as theists but belief systems dictate how we live our lives. when a religion teaches a set of values and morals people who believe in that religion are more inclined to do good.
Case in point, during the plagues in the roman empire in the 3rd century, it was the Christians who stayed behind to care for the sick because they were morally obligated to do so by their religious beliefs. the pagans didnt because they had no such moral code
@carthage397 It's a shame that people are induced to do things by favor of eternal rewards or fear of eternal punishments. Isn't that how you train a dog? Not fitting for developing human beings, is it?
@FaganRoberts i do not do things for an eternal reward, i do good because it is good to help others.....i was taught this way from young due to the moral teachings of my Catholic Faith. All morals come from religion.
where is the moral compass in atheism? doesnt exist, this is why in secular countries we kill our unborn children and euthanise our infirmed, where in areas of the world that are more Christian we respect the dignity of the human person
@FaganRoberts you say religion gets its morality from men, i say it gets it from revelation of God.
Think about this....in christian countries the needy are taken care of, in atheist countries they are executed....why? because atheism has no moral compass because morality is immaterial and immaterial things have no place in a purely atheist system.
Read your great atheist philosophers of the enlightenment and see what they have to say.....then carry those principals to their natural digression, you get genocide and oppression, history is proof of that.
special pleading.....this is the Christian explanation, you dont have to agree with if you dont want to. what is the atheist explanation? everything came from nothing.....makes much more sense.
@FaganRoberts im glad your brought up planes flying in to building...this was done by Muslims and whats does Islam teach, violence to non-muslims, this supports my position, your belief system dictates your actions. out of the 2.3 billion Christians how much violence is done in the name of Christianity? Compare that to the violence done by islam.
Even grater then the violence of islam is the violence and genocide of unbelief...the maos, stalins, hitlers...all atheists
@carthage397 Hitler was a Catholic. Stalin attended Russian Orthodox seminary. Killing in the name of a god has always been warfare's largest draw. Bad men do bad things. Good men do good things. But to get good people to do bad things, that takes religion!
@FaganRoberts hitler was born into catholicism. that doesnt mean he was catholic or believed in his religion. History shows that hilter was into pre-christian german paganism. Hitler was greatly influenced by the atheist philosopher Nietzsche.
Same for stalin, he didnt believe in orthoodoxy, he was an atheist, thats like saying muslims are peaceful because turks dont blow stuff up......turks dont practice islam for the most part, they are secular, so you can use that argument
@carthage397 Oh, Hitler was a Catholic alright! lol Check out a history book and do some research. BTW: How does one get masses of people to fight in the name of nothing? Just curious?
@FaganRoberts again, Hitler was born into the catholic religion, but he did not practice or believe in Catholicism. Hitler was deeply involved into the occult and pre-christian paganism..look it up. you cannot make this argument because hilter didn't practice Catholicism
How did the soviet union raise up the red army, what about china? A god is mad of the dictator, a personality cult is formed and enforced by fear and violence.
Go to North Korea and speak against the govt. & see what happens.
@FaganRoberts the inquisition was 500 years, 3,000 people died, the catholic and secular officals or killed in the name of Christianity WERENT following Christian prinicapals, religion was used as a scape goat.
Stalin was the ruler of the USSR for a couple of deacads....how many people killed ......30,000, Hilter wiped out 6,000 million Jews and many other, Mao killed up to 77 million.
All killing is evil but atheists make bad religious people look like candy store thieves
@FaganRoberts what are the great atheist social service organizations? where are they? they are very few if any......why because pure atheism doesnt have room for morality becuase morality is immaterial.
in response to biblical morality.....the 10 commandments in the old testament are the basis for your legal system in the United States and any other Christian Country. All the Moral teachings of Jesus....put others before the self....these are all the moral teachings of the bible
@FaganRoberts what has atheism done? whenever an atheist gains power in any society in the world there is only mass genocide. This happens because atheism doesnt have a code of morals, like the Christian does. The atheist morals are subjective from person to person. If we are random mutations started from nothing, have no purpose and will eventually not exist, they why not kill, steal and cheat?
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving...
@coolvideo28 "forbidden to marry".....you are really taking scripture out of context. The Catholic Church upholds marriage in the highest regard. Celibacy amongst bishops and priests is a discipline that Jesus actually taught and especially Paul. The Catholic Church has NEVER forbidden marriage but supports and encourages it whole-healrtdly. Celibacy is a biblical disciple that one CHOOSES to take up.....to live like Christ, who was celibate
For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman empire, & Christians were terribly persecuted. Until the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine who legalized Christianity at the Edict of Milan in A.D. 313. Later, in A.D. 325, Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman empire. which at that time was beginning to divide.
@FaganRoberts You believe that complex life, the laws of nature, the cosmos in all their splendor come from nothing......i believe that an intelligent and rational creator was the architect behind all the complexity we see in life as well as the universe as a whole.
It is rational to say that complex, intelligent life had to come from an intelligent being. You say that all this complexity came from nothing.....my argument is a hell of a lot more rational.
@carthage397 Who says complex life came from nothing? Another straw man argument, yet again. Me thinks your making a special pleading for your god. With nary a shred of evidence to back it up.
@FaganRoberts you dont believe complex life came from nothing......do you even understand your belief system? If there is no God then were did life come from? where did the laws of nature come from?
Again where is this straw man? you are attacking theism and i am defending it and making a counter attack on atheism.
If im boring you can go.....you were the one who started this and now since you cant defend yourself or seem to not even understand the non-belief you defend you want to leave..bye
@FaganRoberts we believe that God exists outside of time and space, there for he is not bound by the laws of time and space, he exists in eternity, he always has and always will be......this is the Christian belief
@FaganRoberts atheism's answer to creation, evolution, etc is a big "we dont know". At least intelligent christians (not insane fundamentalists) have a philosophy, a teaching behind this.
You say a virgin birth is so unbelievable, yet you accept that the awesome complexity of life and the universe was started by nothing? seems like an inconsistency in your logic.
@carthage397 Again? Who says "nothing?" You make a claim of absolute certainty yet you have zero evidence to back this up. Why? Why make a special pleading for your god on your behalf? Why do this? Your getting a bit boring, sorry.
@carthage397 are catholics forbiden from eating meats at certain times? are catholic preists forbiden to marry? both answeres are yes if your honest. lets look at 1 Timothy 4:1-5
@coolvideo28 eating meat? another example of taking scripture out of context. Certain days during the season of Lent the faithful are asked to fast from meat on friday, this practice is extremely biblical. The bible constantly takes about fasting and prayer.....i actually made a video about this, which goes into this topic pretty deeply
So i ask you honestly do not get your information from slanderous websites and do not make a judgment about something you have little understanding about
@coolvideo28 If your response to my comments is just repeating the same mis-information out of context then there is no point to continue talking.
Lookup your Christian history from a CREDIBLE source, i am not lying. Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church and the Church compiled the Holy Bible and all of the Valid doctrines that you believe in.
If the Catholic Church is evil and corrupt then your faith is based on straw because the bible is a product of the Catholic Chruch
As Cain and Abel represent the two branches of man: one evil and the other righteous, so the Christian Church had two offspring: one righteous and the other unrighteous. The Sabbath keeping Waldensians were a constant rebuke to the pope's sins. In 600 A.D. Pope Gregory burned the two Palatine Libraries of the Waldenses, effectively removing 600 years of testimony of the LORD'S true work through them. Rome's destruction of true history has never ceased. They always come out smelling like a rose.
@utopiandesign Pope Gregory the 1st was 540 to 604AD.....Peter Waldo was born in 1140AD in France; he started the Waldensian movement. So how could Pope Gregory living in 600AD have persecuted Peter Waldo and his followers if they did even exist till 600 years in the future? I have noticed from conversing with other 7th day Adventists that you guys really dont know your history. Dont' bear false witness against your neighbor, make sure what you say is correct please. thank you
@carthage397 You falsely accused me of sin against the 9th Commandment. I don't see you uplifting Christ's 4th. What Satan assaulted in the beginning was the tranquility of the Holy Sabbath day a Law you have the gall to reject! Your view of Waldo is just the verbatim of Vatican fraud. Gilly: Waldensian Researches; Vigilantius and His Times. D'Aubigne: History of the Reformation. Henderson: The Vaudois. Mosheim: Commentaries. Newman: Manual of Church History. Schaff, Schmidt, Wylie. No SDAs here
@utopiandesign you actually did break the 9th commandment....youre spreading a false history. Please explain how Pope Gregory living in 600AD could have persecuted Waldo and his followers if Waldo want born until the 12th century?
Vatican fraud? I got his information from various sources, Catholic and non-catholic alike. It seems like your nonsensical hatred for Catholicism has blinded your from rational thinking.
@carthage397 GOD forgives all ignorant sins (Num.15:27-29; Acts 17:30). But "He that saith I know him, and keepeth not his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him." The Vatican baptizes all men into sin against 2 Commandments of Christ (Jn.8:58). Therefore, they are liars and the truth is not in them. "All liars shall have their part in the lake of fire." Until you believe GOD saves us FROM sin and not IN sin, we can't continue our discussion which is meaningless w/o repentance.
@utopiandesign the vatican baptizes all men into sin? Its funny how you make these insane arguments and then try to back them up with excerpts from scripture that have absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about.
I dont believe that God saves us from sin? Of course I do, you are showing me very nicely how you dont know anything about Catholicism that you so strongly and ignorantly speak against.
@utopiandesign its interesting how you avoid my questions by changing the subject and attacking my person spiritual life.....something you know nothing about.....do i smell a red herring in the room?
You completely ignore my question about Pope Gregory living in 600 and Waldo in 1200. If you dont want to speak to me im fine with that......your the one who started this.....now that you cant finish it you are trying to change the topic and run away......how convenient.
@carthage397 You haven't given one text of Scripture that shows anyone that you understand the legal framework of GOD's Salvation. I gave you a list of the great Protestant historians that rebuke your Catholic views of Christian history. It is obvious your pride in your church outweighs the gift of Christ and the means He ordained to carry it out.
@utopiandesign The Saturday sabbath was from the Old Covenant, the Jews who were awaiting the Messiah; this was THE GOOD. The God-man came, redeemed the world and rose on Sunday; this is THE GREAT. The Good of the old covenant is fulfilled with the great of Jesus Christ and the New Covenant. There was disputes between Hellenistic Christians and Jewish Christians about this and they were resolved in councils 1800 years ago. Virtually all of Christianity worship on Sunday.
@carthage397 "And if the righeous [those who claim obedience to Christ] scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear." I Pet.4:18. The vast majority of church members will stand condemned before Christ: "Many will say to me in that day..." Ask yourself, Why? What is the reason so many Christians will be lost? They disqualified the Presence of the Holy Spirit in their lives by even one cherished sin, "which is transgression of the law." If Satan can get you to sin as him, you die.
@utopiandesign why are you bringing up topics about salvation, satan and judgment when we werent even talking about that? You quoting scripture out of context isnt going to take my focus off the original argument.
Answer the initial question that i asked "how could pope Gregory have persecuted waldo when he lived 600 years before waldo? you have to ask yourself wheres waldo? (i couldnt resists, lol).
Dont talk about judgment, satan and sin, answer the question......
@carthage397 If espionage was imperative in the war against communism how much more when it comes to the salvation of man! The history of popery is the bloodiest history of all time. In the 6th & 7th centuries 2 new religions rose to power: Catholicism and Islam; and the bloody competition began. Both united with civil magistrates to impose penalties of death for all who stood in their way. The pope has given his blessing to every two-bit tyrant of history from Justinian to Hitler. "Study...."
@utopiandesign ok this conversation is over. you still can answer the initial question about Pope Gregory and Waldo. Now your going into conspiracy theory, talking about salvation, noah's ark. You have talked about everything under the sun except for the topic that YOU brought up. You say something really stupid out of left field an when i prove you wrong you have too much pride to admit it so you start talking about: hitler, islam, salvation. Seriously man, you should be ashamed of yourself
@utopiandesign your just too blinded by pride, rage and stupidity to hold a rational conversation with. Next time you post some insane statement on someones page make sure you know what your talking about. I will no longer allow you to littler my page with nonsensical garbage; keeping in mind you refused to answer my 1 question about waldo and Pope Gregory. You are no blocked. I pray one day you will look past yourself. Good bye.
@utopiandesign I go to Mass on Sunday (keeping holy the Sabbath) and i go during the week as well to hear the word of God and receive the bread of eternal life. It seems you are focusing too much on on keeping the law of the old testament and loosing sight of what the law was put into place for the first place....a change of heart of and mind.
I would never believe in once saved always saved. Anyone with any conscience knows how morally wrong that is. I have an apocrypha separate from the Bible. Edgar J. Goodspeed apocrypha. Very informative video sir! Man might of scribed the Bible, but its Gods words. 2 Timothy 3:16
The first King James Bible in 1611 had the Apocrypha sandwiched in between the Old Testament and New Testament. But Oliver Cromwell and his Calvinists later removed the Apocrypha because they wanted the KJV Bible to resemble their unauthorized Geneva Bible. St . Jeromes Latin Vulgate of 405 CE had the Apocrypha in it. Look up "Septuagint".
Its good to remind people that the Bible doesn't contain an inspired table of contents. So if you accept the books of the Bible as inspired then you are putting your trust in the authority of the Catholic Church, which is good to do because the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit.
I use the term "i believe" and this makes me a fool? what are you basing this on? I am talking in the 1st person. You cant find issue with what i am saying so you attack how I say it, not a very credible argument. The point i am making is that the king james bible is incomplete, if you want a complete version of scripture, get a Catholic/Orthodox 73book version of scripture. If i am reading a book I would like the entire book, how much more important is it to have the entirety of God's Word?
sorry to say that is not the real 1611, thats what they sale in the stores . 1611 cost about $75,000 to $145,000. that 1611 version is all backwards it was revised i believe in 1681 or something like that not sure what year.but the catholics had alot to do with the threatning revising... ..i do agree with you people do need to study before giving an opinion..i do have documents on alot of the fishy stuff behind the corruption of the bible..peace
@christisamust7 well of course its not a copy of the kjv from the 17th century, its a replica. now your claim that the Catholics had threatened its revision, i dont know how true that is providing that the king james bible was an endeavor of the church of england (anglicans). The Catholics had the Douay-Rheims bible as their english translation.
as for corruption of the bible, the dead sea scrolls found in the 1940's proved that the bible wasnt corrupted.
i've read about the Dead sea scrolls ,i've heard they are false doctrines, i'm not sure how true that is , i do know about the NIV being way off and have documents that the person in charge of the translation stateing it is wrong, about the dead sea scroll i will do more research..peace
@christisamust7 in regards to the dead sea scrolls, they arent really doctrine, they are copies of the old testament found in caves. The archeologists who examined them said they are genuine,the text in the dead sea scrolls matches the old testament we have today, so it proves there was no corruption of the bible. certain contemporary translations of the bible arent translated well, this included the king james version.
@christisamust7 in fact all protestant translations of the bible are missing 7 books. when the bible was compiled in the 4th century it was agreed that 73 books were inspired not 66 which make up the present day protestant bible. The Orthodox Churches as well as the Catholic Church use the 73 books bible and have always have. So if you want a complete, well translated bible pick up the Revised Standard Edition or the New American Bible. take care
@carthage397 The Orthodox Church has a larger canon than the Catholic Church. The fact that you both add books to the Bible doesn't make it right by "majority rule"
@NewVinland you are actually correct on one part, the orthodox do have a larger canon, thank you for that knowledge, i will have to revise my video. The Canon amongst the various national orthodox churches varies. I believe the Greek Orthodox Church has a 77 book canon but the ethopian orthodox church has an 81 book canon.
But you are incorrect when you say we both added books. The protestants actually deemed 7 books inspired in the 16th century and removed them from their bibles in the 1820's
@NewVinland The Early Church didnt have compiled bibles, they used the books of scripture in their liturgical worship. In the 4th century the Church deemed it necessary to make a listings of the inspired books of scripture, which is known as a canon. In various end of 4th century councils and synods the Church discerned which books would be included in the Canon. In the 3rd council of Carthage in the 397AD the Church compiled a canon of 73 inspired books.
Also the fact that Martin Luther had to say 7 books in the bible werent inspired proves that the 7 books werent added by the Catholic Church but were already there to begin with. Martin Luther said they werent inspired and they werent removed till 300 years later. So it was the protestant groups that removed books from the Bible. The Catholic BIble has been the same since it was compiled in the 4th century.
@NewVinland what is so special about the King James version? What makes it superior to the other translations of the bible? Is it because it is written in old english? What justification do you have to say it is superior. It is lacking 7 books so it is incomplete. If you really want God's word you need a 73 books bible, just how it was compiled by the Early Church in the 4th century.
@carthage397 It is the first English Bible that was produced on the mass scale that it was. Other English Bibles were just preludes. It isn't incomplete. The books you refer to were not accepted by the early Church, and the Hebrew canon has never included them. I'm not one to use the Apostate Jews to determine doctrine, but it is true that the Hebrew canon has never included the additional books.
@NewVinland well technically the king james wasnt the first mass produced in English, it was the douay rheims (catholic version, 73 books). The OT was completed in the 1580's and NT in 1609.
When it comes to the 7 books, just because they were not included in the Jewish Canon doesnt mean they arent inspired. The New Testament wasnt in the Jewsih Canon, by this logic it should be removed from the bible.
@NewVinland Also the New Testament quotes from the 7 books, they were used in Early Christian liturgical worship, and they were accepted by the Early Church as inspired.
I would say that the Early Christian leaders had a better understanding of what books were inspired then Martin Luther 1500 years later in a different culture, language and understanding.
Perhaps, the reason that the King James Bible was published was in response to the Roman Catholic Douay-Rheims Bible. The Catholic Church sucessfully completed translating the New Testmament from Latin to Enlgish in 1582, nearly 30 years before the KJV. The Old Testament was completed in 1610 with the KJV following close behind in 1611. Don't forget that it was published at a time when English speaking Catholics were going through a hell on earth, thanks to the crown's penal laws.
leave open video response to open your eyes about pagonism of your christianism
Bible 1611.......written in that time under the king of james.......hahahaah first bible 77 books now become 66........who confirming shuch a changes.......hahahahah
first and foremost get your history and your information correct, your way off in your understanding of the bible, dates and history.
Secondly.... I promise i wont take off your post because by your ignorance and utter stupidity you are actually hurting your argument and proving my point.
When one responses to an argument by not answering the points, sarcasm, and disrespect you have already lost it.
please explain how you have come to the conclusion that i have no idea what i am saying. Also you actually dont care about praising God but you care about the praise of men because i just recited the two greatest commandments of love from the Mouth of Jesus and you respond with all this foul language, disgusting talk and hate. You have to really rethink your beliefs.
Do you happen to have tourette syndrome? All this non-nonsensical cursing. where does "different can never be the same" fit into what i said. Also what did i say here that was a lie? Also i checked out your page i see that your a black isrealite....theres where all the cursing comes in. Please explain how you link the 12 tribes of Israel to these American indigenous groups. Where is the connection? The native peoples of the Americas have nothing in common with the ancient Israelites.
Also when Christ was asked what is the greatest commandment in Matt 22:36-40 he said "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." So i ask you how does all your cursing and aggression follow Jesus' two greatest commandments?
you right he said that in Matthew as you mentioned but whom written Matthew no one known...........hahahahh all of 4 Gospels written by unknow person there are annonymouse books no one known yet hahahahhaha
How then can Man be justified with God How can he be clean that is Born of a Woman book of job chapter 25 verse 4:6
you sound so ignorant with all your "haha" and foolish sarcasm. The Evangelists (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote the Gospels). Who wrote your quaran? It was written 200 after Muhammad and it contained chapters in it telling the Muslim people to worship the pagan gods in mecca along with Allah. And not until hundreds of years later was those pagan books taken out. Also parts of the quran was inspired by false heretical christian groups. So you really have to shut your mouth on this topic
i tell you , you christians are totally pagon worshipers and i can prove that go read about zoraosto and mithra and hindu god krishna.......exactly as your pagon jesus
Quran did not written after 200 years back but actually your holy Bible written after jesus raound 3 to 4 hundered years back who born on 25th december...many pagon Gods........hahahaah...how many times your bible changed many times who written the gespels no prove go read Ezakiel 23..it says the Muslims dick like a donkey.hahah
I got mine from a book store when I bought it. It was the last one left. It's like Elohim had it waiting on me. Those extra 14 books of spiritual food will help to make me even stronger in these last and evil days.
plz note that I am not completely sure about the "cursing" I was using-- being that I was under teachings of a certain Israelite group that taught it was ok if you use it appropriately. MUCH HAS CHANGED IN ONE MONTH!!! oh my goodness!!!!!!!!!
The 1611 does have good stuff, but you MUST be careful what you accept to be doctrine in the Apocrypha
ALL I basically do, since I am currently un-employed, is really study! the truth shall set u free
DivinelyGifted im happy that much has changed since we last talked. I curse sometimes when im angry but i really try to stop because can you praise God one moment and say all these filthy things the next moment.......
it takes an honest person to admit that. a month back, I had to go and apologize to people that I had cursed out online. it was very humbling, and embarassing. IN all reality, I could have delted this page, and just created another one, posing as a "super-saint". I was convicted not to do that, so that others may see the progression I have made.
@DivinelyGifted no problems man, we are all on a Christian journey which involves constant growth and conversion. I appreciate your humility. I have put some videos up recently if you are interested in viewing them. take care man.
if you were baptized with water in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (as prescribed in Matt 28) you are a christian and will always be a Christian, no matter how much you screw up, like i said the Christian life is a struggle and a journey towards holiness. There is an awesome book I would suggest you read "walking humbly with your God' by Fr. Andrew Apostoli. just give it a shot it is so deep and so insigtful. Never dispair, we have a forgiving God, he welcomes us back with open arms
a couple of things i mention (always in humility). The disciples of Christ were were called Christians in Acts 11:26
"and when he had found him he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church and taught a large number of people, and it was in Antioch that the disciples were first called Christians."
if you read a couple of passages before you will see all the followers of Christ from all the different places were called Christians in the Bible, so this is in now way pagan.
secondly the word Christ or Cristo means "the anointed one" in greek. and all through out the new testament there is constant mention of Christ and Jesus Christ, especially in Paul's letters. Here is an example
1 Corinthans 1:1 "Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God"
How can all his be? what about the scrolls recently found in the dead sea in 2009?
How can any of these printings be complete? What's on those scrolls? and who wrote them? until the words from all these scrolls are where they were intended to be, I
And to think the world's just rolling on and tons of newest of the newest are hot off the press
oh my good gosh
God does not live in a book he lives inside of you listen to (him/God) no one else.
If you were the devil, what you mess with first?
ABCAND123z 1 month ago
Great video mr. Anthony
ZacBattv 1 month ago
Martin Luther in his translation of the Bible grouped the books he didnt like together at the end of the other books....in the old testament he grouped the apocyphal books at the end of the OT. In the NT he didnt like Jude Hebrews, James, Revelation......and he grouped them at the end of the NT
prairiemark 4 months ago
Great video
88kmitchell 4 months ago
He must never have read what Jesus said in Luke 24:44, and Matt. 23:35! "the law of Moses" is the Torah, "the prophets" are the Nabhim, "the psalms" are the Kethubim, just like in the King James Version! This define the Old Testament WITHOUT the Apocrypha, which Jesus NEVER quoted from! Westcott and Hort never cared much for what the Bible has to say in Deu. 4:2, and 12:32!
TheBiblebeliever1611 6 months ago
The apocryphal books were removed by a group of Puritan printers in about 1627. They didnt agree with some of what the Bible taught in those books and the of the Bible societiess would not pay for them either.
prairiemark 8 months ago
My beef with this reproduction edition is firstly the horrible modern cover; they should have moulded a copy of the original cover. Secondly they have used a computer programme to reset the original typeface to change the letter f to s. thirdly the original was a large volume and this is ridiculously small, so small in terms of typography that it is very hard for anyone over 50 to read it.
americaisbacktrump 9 months ago
If what ever Bible you use has the power to of the Holy Ghost to move a lost sinner to trust Jesus as Their only way OUT of Hell and INTO Heaven then there should be no fighting over Gods true words. If you have them, use them to get a lost sinful world on its way to Heaven. Matthew 28;19-20. GOD said it no matter what Bible you use so "Go".
hudman2010 11 months ago
@hudman2010 i agree with you that the bible should be used to bring a lost sinner to Christ. My argument here is that the we should have the WHOLE Bible, not just 66 books. by removing 7 books many Christians have lost those 7 divine, inspired books that reveal truth to the lost sinner as well as to all of us.
God didnt have his Church compile the bible and be guided by the Holy Ghost to deem 73 books as the inspired, perfect word of God just to have 7 of them removed in 1820AD.
carthage397 11 months ago
Still you cannot answer me? Out of all the people of the world that say God spoke to them, do you believe it is only you that God reveals the truth to? Many who believe that God spoke to them contradict the others who say the same thing. And all are using the same bible to prove the other wrong. When God "speaks" to you, is that the infallible Word of God? If you wrote it down, would it be the Written Word of God? I doubt you will answer that.
ihsrc 1 year ago
Do not be deceived,test the spirits if anyone teaches a different gospel then the one I have taught then he is a liar,move on and be thankful,in Christ.
teed60 1 year ago
@teed60 - 20,000 protestant denominations, and all teaching a different gospel than each other. The only original gospel, still being preached today, and has been here since the apostles, is the Catholic Church. All others are a liar in one point or another.
ihsrc 1 year ago
And furthermore, if the bishops, popes, fathers of the early Church cannot be trusted to have made a correct bible, what makes us think 60 scholars in Shakespearian England ages later would? So, St. Jerome, an expert in hebrew and Greek, living in a cave where Christ was born in the 4th Century, got the bible wrong, but some resident of James I's London DID get it right? What made James' scholars 'infallible'??
MrLamontSanford 1 year ago
Fundamentalists are really odd. They always want to peel back the centuries of 'Roman Catholic add-ons' and 'uneccessary' things and go back to the 'original' form of Christianity, YET these same folks claim that only after SIXTEEN centuries did a true infallible bible come to be. The Holy Spirit let 16 centuries go by before making a perfect version?
MrLamontSanford 1 year ago
James I in 1609 told Parliment: my power is from God; I am equal to God, and a god; I have almighty power over all things -life, death, etc. James was a tyrant who suppressed religious freedom, executing RCs by drawing and quartering and burning the entrails while the vicitim was alive. Yet 'bible' Christians claim HE was 'infallible' Can figs come from thistles? Can an infallible bible be produced by such a man? Hmmmmmm....
MrLamontSanford 1 year ago
Further more I am not here because I want to be hateful or I want to be right or I want to win. God has shown me the truth spoke to me given me many gift among them speaking in tounges. I know the truth and I love you in a pure brotherly/sisterly way and I want to show you the truth. If you are interested in learning the truth then you must be open to it. Iam praying God will open your eyes weather you believe it or not.
coolvideo28 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 - So God spoke to you, did He? Do you mean like he spoke to Joseph Smith, the founder of the Morman church? Or like all the other denominational leaders who think He spoke to them? And if He spoke to you, would that then be The Infallible Word of God? If you wrote down what He said, would that then be The Infallible Written Word of God? The "Tongues" that you are speaking is not the same "Tongues" the bible speaks of. You are very misguided and have a lot to learn. Pray for wisdom.
ihsrc 1 year ago
@ihsrc yes I always pray for wisdom and understanding I will pray for you to so God can open your eyes to the truth
coolvideo28 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 You are a little late in praying for my eyes to be opened - God opened them years ago. There are a great many problem with your understanding of 'truth'. I understand why you failed to address any issue I mentioned, maybe deep inside you really do see the problem and can't admit it. You are obviously immature with your reasoning and have been told by your denomination what to think. I will show you many more things from the bible where you err in your beliefs if you would like.
ihsrc 1 year ago
@ihsrc I will keep praying for you as your eyes are obviusly fixed on what you think is right & not what Gods word says, u assume things about me with No basis at all. I am of No denomination I read the Bible and Jesus God Shows me the truth through himself his living word the Bible. What God said to me is truth he has told me things that are going to happen in my life years ago that are happening now. message me if you wish we can discuss what ever you wish God bless
coolvideo28 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 did GOD spoke to you in vision what did he tell you? in your vision?
manche44 8 months ago
@manche44 God told me what I would be doing in the future and he told me some other things and showed me some things.
coolvideo28 8 months ago
@coolvideo28 what did he show you come on just say it GOD show you for you to tell others
manche44 8 months ago
@manche44 God didnt tell me to tell others what he told me, what he told me would happen is happening right now. I sense that you are only tr0.ying to mock me so Bye
coolvideo28 8 months ago
@ihsrc I pray for wisdom all the time and God gives it to me. You need Jesus Christ because you are very lost. I will pray for you.
coolvideo28 8 months ago
with all you people attacking the king james version (and there is a TON of you)
it has shown that by majority vote, hating the king james version is the way of the world, and i want to be separate from the ways of the world.
Littlezombie 1 year ago
@Littlezombie there is a problem with your logic. Just because people condemn something doesnt prove that the thing being condemned is true. Many people condemn the book of mormon and the quaran; according to your logic that would make both of those books true.
I disagree with the king james bible because it is badly interpreted and it is incomplete, it is missing 7 books and a couple of chapters of Daniel.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 Sorry brother but U R wrong on this. That Bible U have in your video is Not even a 1611 KJV Bible. I made the same mistake buying it thinking it was, but after further research I found out it isnt. If U want to find out the truth on this matter go to "jesus is saviorDotcom" just do a search. When U get to the sight type in 1611 KJV Bible & U will see why we believe in 1611 KJV Bible only. I use to read NIV I thought these KJV only people were nuts until I did the research myself
coolvideo28 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 you are using that insane website as a reference? That website is the definition of "bearing false witness against your neighbor", they even had to put up a disclaimer trying to justify how they arent a hate site. The home page has a picture of the pope, some protestant pastor and the devil promoting the NIV bible....thats a protestant bible, the pope has nothing to do with it. To make such a far fetched connection shows how ignorant and bigoted the creators of that site are.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 All he was showing in that picture was that the NIV Bible is Not Gods word it is a curopted book missing whole verses changing words and verses all over, watering much of the Bible down or in other words it is a doctrine of the devil. What does God say about adding or taking away anything from his word? I use to Read the NIV I thought it was the best and easiest to read Bible until I found some crazy people telling me it was missing verses etc after checking myself they were right
coolvideo28 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 the issue i had with the picture is that the pope has nothing to do with the NIV, the NIV is a protestant bible. Catholics dont use or promote that bible and had nothing to do with his translation.
So if this site was honest why would they have a picture of the pope, the devil and some pastor promoting the NIV? the stuff they write on that site is historically and factually false.
carthage397 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 This is historical fact, martin luther in 1517 deemed 7 books of the bible uninspired, they were not removed but put into an appendix in the bible. 100 years later in 1611 the 1611 king james bible did the same thing. ALL protestant bibles (including the 1611 kjv) had 73 books up until the the 1820's when they were finally removed leaving 66 books.
This is historical fact, look it up from any CREDIBLE source, not some insane site with bolded red text, skulls and devils
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 So let me get this straight You didnt like the picture on the website so you completly ignored all the evidence he had for proving that all these other newr "Bibles" Are missing verses have added to Gods word changed Jesus to "him" etc etc etc. If a picture can make you sway from seeing a mountain of evidence I am sorry but I feel sorry for you because You will never find out the truth onthis matter. I am of No denomination I believe Gods living word.
coolvideo28 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 you are missing what i am saying, that site is a bigoted slanderous site, its not credible. I know my Catholic faith very well and i can tell you from being a knowledgeable Catholic that the site completely, in every way lies and slanders the Catholic Faith. Ill repeat it again, that site completely distorts and outright lies about the Catholic Church.
If a site like that lies through its "teeth" about the catholic church, you have to ask yourself what else are they lying about
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 ohh just saw that you are catholic in another post. Do you not see that so many things are taught in the catholic church that disagree with the Bible making them lkies but I will show you proof from Gods word that the catholic church is a cult. I wil send it in my next comment.
coolvideo28 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 I am a Catholic because the Catholic Church is the Early Church, it compiled the bible and formulated the doctrines that you believe in. If you read the writings of the Early Church Fathers(who were taught by the Apostles) you will see the Catholic Church in ever way, shape and form.
There is nothing that the Catholic Church teaches that go against the bible in the slightest way.....the Bible is a product of the Catholic Church
carthage397 1 year ago
Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith & continued many of his pagan beliefs & practices. The Christian church that Constantine promoted was a mixture of true Christianity & Roman paganism. replacing Isis with Mary and taking from the religion Mithraism also had seven “sacraments" just a few examples of the start of the Roman catholic church
coolvideo28 1 year ago
@carthage397 I will pray God will open your eyes if you are open to the truth pray to God to show you the truth and he will. there is unbelievable amounts of information/history out there if you look at how the catholic church started and how it is in complete contradiction of the Bible Gods living word. Iam of no denomination I believe God and read and study his living word asking for wisdom and understanding. Iam born again because God requires it to go to Heaven. God bless
coolvideo28 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 The Catholic Church compiled the Bible in the 3rd Council of Carthage in the year 397AD.....look it up! If the Catholic Church is evil and corrupt (as you say) then simple logic will dictate that the book it compiled (the Holy Bible) is corrupted as well.
It seems like you care more about your traditions then Christian truth. Every person who has been baptized has been born again. You stating that you are non-denominational places into a denomination, you are a protestant
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 Being baptised has Nothing to do with being born again it appears you believe what you have been told by man were I believe what God tells us is the truth. Read John 3:3-18. If all you needed to do was get a water batism then Jesus wouldnt have had to die. Jesus had to die for our sins and we have to ask him to forgive our sins give our lifes to him when you invite Jesus to be your Lord and Savior you are born again.
coolvideo28 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 You say with false modesty that you will pray for me that my eyes will open.....didnt Jesus say before you take the splinter out of your brothers eye first remove the plank from your own?
Why dont you research the origins of your beliefs, they are about 200 years old. your understanding about being saved and born again find their origin in 19th century America. Your belief system is alien in comparison to that of the Early Church.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 You make false acusations about me without even asking questions U speak of ignorance but that is the ignorance in this conversation. If U want to know about me ask a question because we both know what assuming does. I believe in Gods living word the Bible I read the 1611 KJV Bible which includes the books that U say my Bible is missing, but King james himself made it clear there not Gods word. The Christian church started techniqly with God speaking to adam a relationship with God
coolvideo28 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 i apologize for my bluntness, but the ignorance is very frustrating. If you just read a little "valid" christian history you will see that you hold heretic 200 year old beliefs that were not held by the Apostles and the Early Church.
carthage397 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 if you want to dialogue respectfully and honestly, we can go over one topic at a time, im cool with that. But if you are just going to continue to copy and paste false history from an anti catholic website i cant talk to you any more.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 Dont worry about offending me its very very hard. I speak very boldly about the truth so if I offend you I opoligize ahead a time. If your going to keep threating to end the coversation then just do it now, because I will bring you the truth & due to the subject we are speaking on now the truth will definatly bother you if you cant handle it then like I said end it now. Iam not going to go to catholic websites to show you the truth about the catholic church because its not there.
coolvideo28 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 Cult? A cult is an organization that uses brainwashing techniques and refuses its members to leave, the Catholic Church in no way is a cult. You must look up the definition of the word cult before you start throwing it out so loosely.
You calling the Catholic Church a cult is EXTREMELY IGNORANT. You actually broke the commandment "thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor". If you read your Christian history the Catholic Church is the Church Jesus established
carthage397 1 year ago
@Littlezombie My disagreement with the KJV bible is purely based on historical fact; it is incomplete Bible, therefore i reject it in favor of the complete 73 book Bible.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 Iam not coming on here trying to be mean to You I believe we are brothers in Chris Jesus. I only wish to share with you the truth that I found out. You dont need to go to that website I gave you though it is the most thurow I found, but you can just do searches about how books like the NIV have changed Gods word Big time compare the Bibles yourself You will be shocked I know I was. I thought King james only people were crazy until I found out there right and became one
coolvideo28 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 It is historical fact that when the 1611 KJV bible was compiled it was compiled with 73 books, it wasnt until 1820 when the 7 books were removed from it. You are free to look it up, check out any credible source. Read a book about the 1611 king james bible and you will see it had 73 books.
When the bible was first compiled it was compiled with 73books by the early church (Catholic Church) in 397AD at the 3rd council of carthage. I am not lying, look it up.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 I know what your talking about I am sorry but cant remember what it was called it started with an "A" those books were clearly told that they were not the word of God by even King James himself. The catholic church is a cult I dont even want to go there hope you not catholic
coolvideo28 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 again it is historical fact that the Early Church accepted a 73 book bible, the king James bible you use as 66 books, it is incomplete. The 7 books are call the duetrocanonical books by Catholics, Apocrypha by Protestants.
These 7 books were accepted by Jesus, the Apostles and the Early Church, they were only deemed uninspired by Martin Luther 1500 yrs later. So since the King James bible doesnt include these books then therefore it is incomplete and not the best Bible translation
carthage397 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 i appreciate your kindness, and i believe protestants are my separated brethren, but i cant stand by and not say anything when a group of people are propagating historical and religious error.
Please look up the 3rd council of carthage and the history of the 1611 kjv bible.
take care
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 Of what denomination or religion ar you? Iam not a protestant Iam a Christian Born again No denomination. I believe in Gods living word thats it any man that disagrees with Gods living word the Bible is wrong. What do You mean protestants are your seperated brethren? Ilove you brother but I tried to show you mountains of evidence that prove the 1611 KJV is the best translation of the original greek hebrew and aramaic, but if you refuse to look at the evidence well...
coolvideo28 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 ok i will answer you statements in order.....if you are not Catholic or Orthodox but you say you are a Christian then you are a protestant. People who talk about being born again and being saved and the rapture, etc are protestants. This is a new strain of protestantism thats about 150 years old, watch my video entitled "Are You Catholic or Christian?" I talk about this.
carthage397 1 year ago
which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer
coolvideo28 1 year ago
What does God say about the catholic church that requires certain people to not marry and at certain times Not eat meat in 1 Timothy 4:1-5
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats,
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coolvideo28 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 here we go again with you repeating the same scripture out of context. I see you are starting with this false fundamentalist history of Catholicism.
Read the Early Church, they all honored Mary, even the early Protestants honored and loved Mary. It seems you do not care about breaking the 10 commandments....."do not bare false witness against they neighbor"
You are spouting out all this slanderous nonsense that any historian condemn but you refuse to do some fact checking.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 I gave you No scripture out of context I mearly read scripture that was obviously speaking about the catholic church and Gods living words had much worse things to say about it then me calling it a cult. I need no fact checking you just dont want it to be true so you run to talking about historians who cares about what historians "man" has to say. I care about what God has to say. try adressing the facts what God has to say
coolvideo28 1 year ago
I enjoy seeing Christians disagree over their folklore superstitious texts. It's like arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I've thoroughly read the man-made bible, among others, and found it the primary reason why I am an atheist today! The bible has made more people atheist than any secular text I've ever encountered.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts i would have to reply to that: the bible read out of context without consulting an authority on the matter leads to problems.
One question: if you, an atheist, solely subscribe to materialism, truth which is immaterial doesnt exist in your atheistic philosophy. So if truth (immaterial) doesn't exist then why even argue that the bible is a false man-made book? If truth doesnt exist then your point of view at best is your own subjective opinion.....so why even make an argument?
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 I could never begin to argue on the false premises you propose. You'll have to go back and provide something better than a strawman premise to even be considered for a response. And I think you know what that premise is, because you're smarter than that.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts i didnot provide a straw man, you made arrogant, immature attack on Christianity ("I enjoy seeing Christians disagree over their folklore superstitious texts"). I gave a suggestion why someone who "read the entire bible" came to this conclusion ("i suggested maybe you didnt understand the literal and historical context of what you were reading).
And then i made a counter attack on atheism to point out how pure atheism is incompatible with intelligent thought.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 What intelligent person can really believe in talking snakes, parting seas, burning bushes, virgin births, Noah's ark, zombies, etc.? Who are you trying to kid here? Dump your religion. I tell you, it's messing with your mind.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts my religion is messing with my mind?.... the Catholic Church provides 40% of the social services in the world and has basically built western civilization after the fall of the roman empire. The Church has fostered the sciences, arts, preserved not just the bible but secular writings from the greeks and romans during the barbarian invasions, founded the university system. All the major cities in europe were originally catholic centers of learning.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 Please name one act of kindness, innovation or generosity performed by a religious person that cannot be performed by a non-believer? Please name an act of malevolence, evil or violence that can only be made by a person of faith because of religion? (You cannot name ANY in the former) In the latter, one can name thousands! i.e. planes flying into building.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts of course atheists can do the same good as theists but belief systems dictate how we live our lives. when a religion teaches a set of values and morals people who believe in that religion are more inclined to do good.
Case in point, during the plagues in the roman empire in the 3rd century, it was the Christians who stayed behind to care for the sick because they were morally obligated to do so by their religious beliefs. the pagans didnt because they had no such moral code
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 It's a shame that people are induced to do things by favor of eternal rewards or fear of eternal punishments. Isn't that how you train a dog? Not fitting for developing human beings, is it?
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts i do not do things for an eternal reward, i do good because it is good to help others.....i was taught this way from young due to the moral teachings of my Catholic Faith. All morals come from religion.
where is the moral compass in atheism? doesnt exist, this is why in secular countries we kill our unborn children and euthanise our infirmed, where in areas of the world that are more Christian we respect the dignity of the human person
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 Religion gets it's morality from men. It's all-man made. Every word of it.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts you say religion gets its morality from men, i say it gets it from revelation of God.
Think about this....in christian countries the needy are taken care of, in atheist countries they are executed....why? because atheism has no moral compass because morality is immaterial and immaterial things have no place in a purely atheist system.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397
Read your great atheist philosophers of the enlightenment and see what they have to say.....then carry those principals to their natural digression, you get genocide and oppression, history is proof of that.
special pleading.....this is the Christian explanation, you dont have to agree with if you dont want to. what is the atheist explanation? everything came from nothing.....makes much more sense.
carthage397 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts im glad your brought up planes flying in to building...this was done by Muslims and whats does Islam teach, violence to non-muslims, this supports my position, your belief system dictates your actions. out of the 2.3 billion Christians how much violence is done in the name of Christianity? Compare that to the violence done by islam.
Even grater then the violence of islam is the violence and genocide of unbelief...the maos, stalins, hitlers...all atheists
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 Hitler was a Catholic. Stalin attended Russian Orthodox seminary. Killing in the name of a god has always been warfare's largest draw. Bad men do bad things. Good men do good things. But to get good people to do bad things, that takes religion!
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts hitler was born into catholicism. that doesnt mean he was catholic or believed in his religion. History shows that hilter was into pre-christian german paganism. Hitler was greatly influenced by the atheist philosopher Nietzsche.
Same for stalin, he didnt believe in orthoodoxy, he was an atheist, thats like saying muslims are peaceful because turks dont blow stuff up......turks dont practice islam for the most part, they are secular, so you can use that argument
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 Oh, Hitler was a Catholic alright! lol Check out a history book and do some research. BTW: How does one get masses of people to fight in the name of nothing? Just curious?
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts again, Hitler was born into the catholic religion, but he did not practice or believe in Catholicism. Hitler was deeply involved into the occult and pre-christian paganism..look it up. you cannot make this argument because hilter didn't practice Catholicism
How did the soviet union raise up the red army, what about china? A god is mad of the dictator, a personality cult is formed and enforced by fear and violence.
Go to North Korea and speak against the govt. & see what happens.
carthage397 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts the inquisition was 500 years, 3,000 people died, the catholic and secular officals or killed in the name of Christianity WERENT following Christian prinicapals, religion was used as a scape goat.
Stalin was the ruler of the USSR for a couple of deacads....how many people killed ......30,000, Hilter wiped out 6,000 million Jews and many other, Mao killed up to 77 million.
All killing is evil but atheists make bad religious people look like candy store thieves
carthage397 1 year ago
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@carthage397 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" (Religious nonsense)
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts what are the great atheist social service organizations? where are they? they are very few if any......why because pure atheism doesnt have room for morality becuase morality is immaterial.
in response to biblical morality.....the 10 commandments in the old testament are the basis for your legal system in the United States and any other Christian Country. All the Moral teachings of Jesus....put others before the self....these are all the moral teachings of the bible
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 There's no such thing as objective morality, and you know it. Our system of laws and governance are not based on the bible. Name one?
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts what has atheism done? whenever an atheist gains power in any society in the world there is only mass genocide. This happens because atheism doesnt have a code of morals, like the Christian does. The atheist morals are subjective from person to person. If we are random mutations started from nothing, have no purpose and will eventually not exist, they why not kill, steal and cheat?
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 My goodness! Have you read your bible lately? Biblical morality? I'll pass....
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving...
coolvideo28 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 "forbidden to marry".....you are really taking scripture out of context. The Catholic Church upholds marriage in the highest regard. Celibacy amongst bishops and priests is a discipline that Jesus actually taught and especially Paul. The Catholic Church has NEVER forbidden marriage but supports and encourages it whole-healrtdly. Celibacy is a biblical disciple that one CHOOSES to take up.....to live like Christ, who was celibate
carthage397 1 year ago
For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman empire, & Christians were terribly persecuted. Until the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine who legalized Christianity at the Edict of Milan in A.D. 313. Later, in A.D. 325, Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman empire. which at that time was beginning to divide.
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coolvideo28 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts You believe that complex life, the laws of nature, the cosmos in all their splendor come from nothing......i believe that an intelligent and rational creator was the architect behind all the complexity we see in life as well as the universe as a whole.
It is rational to say that complex, intelligent life had to come from an intelligent being. You say that all this complexity came from nothing.....my argument is a hell of a lot more rational.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 Who says complex life came from nothing? Another straw man argument, yet again. Me thinks your making a special pleading for your god. With nary a shred of evidence to back it up.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts you dont believe complex life came from nothing......do you even understand your belief system? If there is no God then were did life come from? where did the laws of nature come from?
Again where is this straw man? you are attacking theism and i am defending it and making a counter attack on atheism.
If im boring you can go.....you were the one who started this and now since you cant defend yourself or seem to not even understand the non-belief you defend you want to leave..bye
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 If everything has a cause where did god come from?
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts we believe that God exists outside of time and space, there for he is not bound by the laws of time and space, he exists in eternity, he always has and always will be......this is the Christian belief
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 You are guilty of SPECIAL PLEADING, one again. To assert ANYTHING exists outside time/space is to assert nothing. It explains nothing.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts atheism's answer to creation, evolution, etc is a big "we dont know". At least intelligent christians (not insane fundamentalists) have a philosophy, a teaching behind this.
You say a virgin birth is so unbelievable, yet you accept that the awesome complexity of life and the universe was started by nothing? seems like an inconsistency in your logic.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 Again? Who says "nothing?" You make a claim of absolute certainty yet you have zero evidence to back this up. Why? Why make a special pleading for your god on your behalf? Why do this? Your getting a bit boring, sorry.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@carthage397 are catholics forbiden from eating meats at certain times? are catholic preists forbiden to marry? both answeres are yes if your honest. lets look at 1 Timothy 4:1-5
coolvideo28 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 eating meat? another example of taking scripture out of context. Certain days during the season of Lent the faithful are asked to fast from meat on friday, this practice is extremely biblical. The bible constantly takes about fasting and prayer.....i actually made a video about this, which goes into this topic pretty deeply
So i ask you honestly do not get your information from slanderous websites and do not make a judgment about something you have little understanding about
carthage397 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 If your response to my comments is just repeating the same mis-information out of context then there is no point to continue talking.
Lookup your Christian history from a CREDIBLE source, i am not lying. Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church and the Church compiled the Holy Bible and all of the Valid doctrines that you believe in.
If the Catholic Church is evil and corrupt then your faith is based on straw because the bible is a product of the Catholic Chruch
carthage397 1 year ago
my bro has a 1611 version in old english KJV
awesomegunz 1 year ago
As Cain and Abel represent the two branches of man: one evil and the other righteous, so the Christian Church had two offspring: one righteous and the other unrighteous. The Sabbath keeping Waldensians were a constant rebuke to the pope's sins. In 600 A.D. Pope Gregory burned the two Palatine Libraries of the Waldenses, effectively removing 600 years of testimony of the LORD'S true work through them. Rome's destruction of true history has never ceased. They always come out smelling like a rose.
utopiandesign 1 year ago
@utopiandesign Pope Gregory the 1st was 540 to 604AD.....Peter Waldo was born in 1140AD in France; he started the Waldensian movement. So how could Pope Gregory living in 600AD have persecuted Peter Waldo and his followers if they did even exist till 600 years in the future? I have noticed from conversing with other 7th day Adventists that you guys really dont know your history. Dont' bear false witness against your neighbor, make sure what you say is correct please. thank you
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 You falsely accused me of sin against the 9th Commandment. I don't see you uplifting Christ's 4th. What Satan assaulted in the beginning was the tranquility of the Holy Sabbath day a Law you have the gall to reject! Your view of Waldo is just the verbatim of Vatican fraud. Gilly: Waldensian Researches; Vigilantius and His Times. D'Aubigne: History of the Reformation. Henderson: The Vaudois. Mosheim: Commentaries. Newman: Manual of Church History. Schaff, Schmidt, Wylie. No SDAs here
utopiandesign 1 year ago
@utopiandesign you actually did break the 9th commandment....youre spreading a false history. Please explain how Pope Gregory living in 600AD could have persecuted Waldo and his followers if Waldo want born until the 12th century?
Vatican fraud? I got his information from various sources, Catholic and non-catholic alike. It seems like your nonsensical hatred for Catholicism has blinded your from rational thinking.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 GOD forgives all ignorant sins (Num.15:27-29; Acts 17:30). But "He that saith I know him, and keepeth not his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him." The Vatican baptizes all men into sin against 2 Commandments of Christ (Jn.8:58). Therefore, they are liars and the truth is not in them. "All liars shall have their part in the lake of fire." Until you believe GOD saves us FROM sin and not IN sin, we can't continue our discussion which is meaningless w/o repentance.
utopiandesign 1 year ago
@utopiandesign the vatican baptizes all men into sin? Its funny how you make these insane arguments and then try to back them up with excerpts from scripture that have absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about.
I dont believe that God saves us from sin? Of course I do, you are showing me very nicely how you dont know anything about Catholicism that you so strongly and ignorantly speak against.
carthage397 1 year ago
@utopiandesign its interesting how you avoid my questions by changing the subject and attacking my person spiritual life.....something you know nothing about.....do i smell a red herring in the room?
You completely ignore my question about Pope Gregory living in 600 and Waldo in 1200. If you dont want to speak to me im fine with that......your the one who started this.....now that you cant finish it you are trying to change the topic and run away......how convenient.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 You haven't given one text of Scripture that shows anyone that you understand the legal framework of GOD's Salvation. I gave you a list of the great Protestant historians that rebuke your Catholic views of Christian history. It is obvious your pride in your church outweighs the gift of Christ and the means He ordained to carry it out.
utopiandesign 1 year ago
@utopiandesign The Saturday sabbath was from the Old Covenant, the Jews who were awaiting the Messiah; this was THE GOOD. The God-man came, redeemed the world and rose on Sunday; this is THE GREAT. The Good of the old covenant is fulfilled with the great of Jesus Christ and the New Covenant. There was disputes between Hellenistic Christians and Jewish Christians about this and they were resolved in councils 1800 years ago. Virtually all of Christianity worship on Sunday.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 "And if the righeous [those who claim obedience to Christ] scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear." I Pet.4:18. The vast majority of church members will stand condemned before Christ: "Many will say to me in that day..." Ask yourself, Why? What is the reason so many Christians will be lost? They disqualified the Presence of the Holy Spirit in their lives by even one cherished sin, "which is transgression of the law." If Satan can get you to sin as him, you die.
utopiandesign 1 year ago
@utopiandesign why are you bringing up topics about salvation, satan and judgment when we werent even talking about that? You quoting scripture out of context isnt going to take my focus off the original argument.
Answer the initial question that i asked "how could pope Gregory have persecuted waldo when he lived 600 years before waldo? you have to ask yourself wheres waldo? (i couldnt resists, lol).
Dont talk about judgment, satan and sin, answer the question......
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 If espionage was imperative in the war against communism how much more when it comes to the salvation of man! The history of popery is the bloodiest history of all time. In the 6th & 7th centuries 2 new religions rose to power: Catholicism and Islam; and the bloody competition began. Both united with civil magistrates to impose penalties of death for all who stood in their way. The pope has given his blessing to every two-bit tyrant of history from Justinian to Hitler. "Study...."
utopiandesign 1 year ago
@utopiandesign ok this conversation is over. you still can answer the initial question about Pope Gregory and Waldo. Now your going into conspiracy theory, talking about salvation, noah's ark. You have talked about everything under the sun except for the topic that YOU brought up. You say something really stupid out of left field an when i prove you wrong you have too much pride to admit it so you start talking about: hitler, islam, salvation. Seriously man, you should be ashamed of yourself
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 The whole world was sincere in the days of Noah when they turned their backs on GOD'S Words through his servants. And they all drowned!
utopiandesign 1 year ago
@utopiandesign your just too blinded by pride, rage and stupidity to hold a rational conversation with. Next time you post some insane statement on someones page make sure you know what your talking about. I will no longer allow you to littler my page with nonsensical garbage; keeping in mind you refused to answer my 1 question about waldo and Pope Gregory. You are no blocked. I pray one day you will look past yourself. Good bye.
carthage397 1 year ago
@utopiandesign I go to Mass on Sunday (keeping holy the Sabbath) and i go during the week as well to hear the word of God and receive the bread of eternal life. It seems you are focusing too much on on keeping the law of the old testament and loosing sight of what the law was put into place for the first place....a change of heart of and mind.
carthage397 1 year ago
well said my friend
Zadigin1 1 year ago
@Zadigin1 thank you for the kind words
carthage397 1 year ago
I would never believe in once saved always saved. Anyone with any conscience knows how morally wrong that is. I have an apocrypha separate from the Bible. Edgar J. Goodspeed apocrypha. Very informative video sir! Man might of scribed the Bible, but its Gods words. 2 Timothy 3:16
CharlestonChew03 1 year ago
where can i get one of these?
RealEros1 1 year ago
@RealEros1 i got mine on Amazon. just type in 1611 king james bible, it should specify that it includes the "apocrypha"
carthage397 1 year ago
The first King James Bible in 1611 had the Apocrypha sandwiched in between the Old Testament and New Testament. But Oliver Cromwell and his Calvinists later removed the Apocrypha because they wanted the KJV Bible to resemble their unauthorized Geneva Bible. St . Jeromes Latin Vulgate of 405 CE had the Apocrypha in it. Look up "Septuagint".
Minotaurus2 1 year ago
Its good to remind people that the Bible doesn't contain an inspired table of contents. So if you accept the books of the Bible as inspired then you are putting your trust in the authority of the Catholic Church, which is good to do because the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit.
ComeHomeCatholics 1 year ago
your a fool, there is alot of "I" in this...."I think..."I believe...."
Just stick with one version....Why is that so hard not to tamper with the Word of God?
graciecleveland 1 year ago
I use the term "i believe" and this makes me a fool? what are you basing this on? I am talking in the 1st person. You cant find issue with what i am saying so you attack how I say it, not a very credible argument. The point i am making is that the king james bible is incomplete, if you want a complete version of scripture, get a Catholic/Orthodox 73book version of scripture. If i am reading a book I would like the entire book, how much more important is it to have the entirety of God's Word?
carthage397 1 year ago
sorry to say that is not the real 1611, thats what they sale in the stores . 1611 cost about $75,000 to $145,000. that 1611 version is all backwards it was revised i believe in 1681 or something like that not sure what year.but the catholics had alot to do with the threatning revising... ..i do agree with you people do need to study before giving an opinion..i do have documents on alot of the fishy stuff behind the corruption of the bible..peace
christisamust7 2 years ago
@christisamust7 well of course its not a copy of the kjv from the 17th century, its a replica. now your claim that the Catholics had threatened its revision, i dont know how true that is providing that the king james bible was an endeavor of the church of england (anglicans). The Catholics had the Douay-Rheims bible as their english translation.
as for corruption of the bible, the dead sea scrolls found in the 1940's proved that the bible wasnt corrupted.
carthage397 2 years ago
i've read about the Dead sea scrolls ,i've heard they are false doctrines, i'm not sure how true that is , i do know about the NIV being way off and have documents that the person in charge of the translation stateing it is wrong, about the dead sea scroll i will do more research..peace
christisamust7 2 years ago
@christisamust7 in regards to the dead sea scrolls, they arent really doctrine, they are copies of the old testament found in caves. The archeologists who examined them said they are genuine,the text in the dead sea scrolls matches the old testament we have today, so it proves there was no corruption of the bible. certain contemporary translations of the bible arent translated well, this included the king james version.
carthage397 2 years ago
@christisamust7 in fact all protestant translations of the bible are missing 7 books. when the bible was compiled in the 4th century it was agreed that 73 books were inspired not 66 which make up the present day protestant bible. The Orthodox Churches as well as the Catholic Church use the 73 books bible and have always have. So if you want a complete, well translated bible pick up the Revised Standard Edition or the New American Bible. take care
carthage397 2 years ago
thanks, your right , the dead sea scrolls are indeed right..peace
christisamust7 2 years ago
@carthage397 The Orthodox Church has a larger canon than the Catholic Church. The fact that you both add books to the Bible doesn't make it right by "majority rule"
NewVinland 1 year ago
@NewVinland you are actually correct on one part, the orthodox do have a larger canon, thank you for that knowledge, i will have to revise my video. The Canon amongst the various national orthodox churches varies. I believe the Greek Orthodox Church has a 77 book canon but the ethopian orthodox church has an 81 book canon.
But you are incorrect when you say we both added books. The protestants actually deemed 7 books inspired in the 16th century and removed them from their bibles in the 1820's
carthage397 1 year ago
@NewVinland The Early Church didnt have compiled bibles, they used the books of scripture in their liturgical worship. In the 4th century the Church deemed it necessary to make a listings of the inspired books of scripture, which is known as a canon. In various end of 4th century councils and synods the Church discerned which books would be included in the Canon. In the 3rd council of Carthage in the 397AD the Church compiled a canon of 73 inspired books.
carthage397 1 year ago
Also the fact that Martin Luther had to say 7 books in the bible werent inspired proves that the 7 books werent added by the Catholic Church but were already there to begin with. Martin Luther said they werent inspired and they werent removed till 300 years later. So it was the protestant groups that removed books from the Bible. The Catholic BIble has been the same since it was compiled in the 4th century.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 Yuck... RSE and NAB? No thank you. I want a King James Bible
NewVinland 1 year ago
@NewVinland what is so special about the King James version? What makes it superior to the other translations of the bible? Is it because it is written in old english? What justification do you have to say it is superior. It is lacking 7 books so it is incomplete. If you really want God's word you need a 73 books bible, just how it was compiled by the Early Church in the 4th century.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397 It is the first English Bible that was produced on the mass scale that it was. Other English Bibles were just preludes. It isn't incomplete. The books you refer to were not accepted by the early Church, and the Hebrew canon has never included them. I'm not one to use the Apostate Jews to determine doctrine, but it is true that the Hebrew canon has never included the additional books.
NewVinland 1 year ago
@NewVinland well technically the king james wasnt the first mass produced in English, it was the douay rheims (catholic version, 73 books). The OT was completed in the 1580's and NT in 1609.
When it comes to the 7 books, just because they were not included in the Jewish Canon doesnt mean they arent inspired. The New Testament wasnt in the Jewsih Canon, by this logic it should be removed from the bible.
carthage397 1 year ago
@NewVinland Also the New Testament quotes from the 7 books, they were used in Early Christian liturgical worship, and they were accepted by the Early Church as inspired.
I would say that the Early Christian leaders had a better understanding of what books were inspired then Martin Luther 1500 years later in a different culture, language and understanding.
carthage397 1 year ago
Perhaps, the reason that the King James Bible was published was in response to the Roman Catholic Douay-Rheims Bible. The Catholic Church sucessfully completed translating the New Testmament from Latin to Enlgish in 1582, nearly 30 years before the KJV. The Old Testament was completed in 1610 with the KJV following close behind in 1611. Don't forget that it was published at a time when English speaking Catholics were going through a hell on earth, thanks to the crown's penal laws.
TenderTrap86 2 years ago
thanks for the comment, very interesting.
carthage397 2 years ago
leave open video response to open your eyes about pagonism of your christianism
Bible 1611.......written in that time under the king of james.......hahahaah first bible 77 books now become 66........who confirming shuch a changes.......hahahahah
strangerlover11 2 years ago
first and foremost get your history and your information correct, your way off in your understanding of the bible, dates and history.
Secondly.... I promise i wont take off your post because by your ignorance and utter stupidity you are actually hurting your argument and proving my point.
When one responses to an argument by not answering the points, sarcasm, and disrespect you have already lost it.
carthage397 2 years ago
I don't care about the praises of men, I care about the praises of the Most High God.... you have no idea what the FUCK you are saying.
May the demons you love dealing with torment your ass even more, in the name of the LORD
that's right-- I said it-- so eat shit, enemy.
DivinelyGifted 2 years ago
please explain how you have come to the conclusion that i have no idea what i am saying. Also you actually dont care about praising God but you care about the praise of men because i just recited the two greatest commandments of love from the Mouth of Jesus and you respond with all this foul language, disgusting talk and hate. You have to really rethink your beliefs.
carthage397 2 years ago
SHUT UP!!! Different can never be the same!
You don't know what type of HELL I am going through looking for this book...
fuck you--you goddamn liar!
DivinelyGifted 2 years ago
Do you happen to have tourette syndrome? All this non-nonsensical cursing. where does "different can never be the same" fit into what i said. Also what did i say here that was a lie? Also i checked out your page i see that your a black isrealite....theres where all the cursing comes in. Please explain how you link the 12 tribes of Israel to these American indigenous groups. Where is the connection? The native peoples of the Americas have nothing in common with the ancient Israelites.
carthage397 2 years ago
Also when Christ was asked what is the greatest commandment in Matt 22:36-40 he said "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." So i ask you how does all your cursing and aggression follow Jesus' two greatest commandments?
carthage397 2 years ago
you right he said that in Matthew as you mentioned but whom written Matthew no one known...........hahahahh all of 4 Gospels written by unknow person there are annonymouse books no one known yet hahahahhaha
How then can Man be justified with God How can he be clean that is Born of a Woman book of job chapter 25 verse 4:6
strangerlover11 2 years ago
you sound so ignorant with all your "haha" and foolish sarcasm. The Evangelists (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote the Gospels). Who wrote your quaran? It was written 200 after Muhammad and it contained chapters in it telling the Muslim people to worship the pagan gods in mecca along with Allah. And not until hundreds of years later was those pagan books taken out. Also parts of the quran was inspired by false heretical christian groups. So you really have to shut your mouth on this topic
carthage397 2 years ago
i tell you , you christians are totally pagon worshipers and i can prove that go read about zoraosto and mithra and hindu god krishna.......exactly as your pagon jesus
Quran did not written after 200 years back but actually your holy Bible written after jesus raound 3 to 4 hundered years back who born on 25th december...many pagon Gods........hahahaah...how many times your bible changed many times who written the gespels no prove go read Ezakiel 23..it says the Muslims dick like a donkey.hahah
strangerlover11 2 years ago
if you want to dialogue then ok, but relax with all this cursing and aggression, you are just discrediting yourself.
carthage397 2 years ago
I got mine from a book store when I bought it. It was the last one left. It's like Elohim had it waiting on me. Those extra 14 books of spiritual food will help to make me even stronger in these last and evil days.
jatamode 2 years ago
plz note that I am not completely sure about the "cursing" I was using-- being that I was under teachings of a certain Israelite group that taught it was ok if you use it appropriately. MUCH HAS CHANGED IN ONE MONTH!!! oh my goodness!!!!!!!!!
The 1611 does have good stuff, but you MUST be careful what you accept to be doctrine in the Apocrypha
ALL I basically do, since I am currently un-employed, is really study! the truth shall set u free
Please research this:"False Apostle Paul"
DivinelyGifted 2 years ago
DivinelyGifted im happy that much has changed since we last talked. I curse sometimes when im angry but i really try to stop because can you praise God one moment and say all these filthy things the next moment.......
carthage397 2 years ago
it takes an honest person to admit that. a month back, I had to go and apologize to people that I had cursed out online. it was very humbling, and embarassing. IN all reality, I could have delted this page, and just created another one, posing as a "super-saint". I was convicted not to do that, so that others may see the progression I have made.
DivinelyGifted 2 years ago
@DivinelyGifted no problems man, we are all on a Christian journey which involves constant growth and conversion. I appreciate your humility. I have put some videos up recently if you are interested in viewing them. take care man.
carthage397 2 years ago
I was once recently a Christian....I love the Messiah way too much to call myself that
Shalom
DivinelyGifted 2 years ago
if you were baptized with water in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (as prescribed in Matt 28) you are a christian and will always be a Christian, no matter how much you screw up, like i said the Christian life is a struggle and a journey towards holiness. There is an awesome book I would suggest you read "walking humbly with your God' by Fr. Andrew Apostoli. just give it a shot it is so deep and so insigtful. Never dispair, we have a forgiving God, he welcomes us back with open arms
carthage397 2 years ago
the disciples/apostles were not called CHRISTIANS. you should do some research on the name "christos/christ" it is PAGAN.
Christianity & all other RELIGIONS are lies told from SATAN
DivinelyGifted 2 years ago
a couple of things i mention (always in humility). The disciples of Christ were were called Christians in Acts 11:26
"and when he had found him he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church and taught a large number of people, and it was in Antioch that the disciples were first called Christians."
if you read a couple of passages before you will see all the followers of Christ from all the different places were called Christians in the Bible, so this is in now way pagan.
carthage397 2 years ago
secondly the word Christ or Cristo means "the anointed one" in greek. and all through out the new testament there is constant mention of Christ and Jesus Christ, especially in Paul's letters. Here is an example
1 Corinthans 1:1 "Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God"
if you read every verse a