@CharlieChan007 Incorrect. Do you know anything about the Fabian Society? Or the Tavistock Institute? I can assure you, this is not satire. Perhaps you should read what other Fabian's had to say. It was all this type of stuff -social engineering, eugenics, population reduction. Shaw was an elitist scumbag. That's not even an opinion, it's simply fact. This information is not hidden either, all it takes is a bit of honest research to find out what kind of inhumane creature he was.
@marcolopolis555 You are wrong about that. He was an elitist, this kind of talk is extremely common from these types. Forget his works of entertainment, find out instead about his membership of the Fabian Society and his ties to the Tavistock Institute. Then you will find out what kind of man he actually was, and not just how you like to think of him. He was an extremely sick and unpleasant individual.
It's funny that a known Sexual Shit Eater like Shaw would expect OTHERS to justify their own existence while Shaw's getting forbidden erections by thinking about poop.
This is typical the the Loyalist Protestant attitude in Ireland. For centuries they have slaughtered and caused the deaths of millions. They would say it was a 'famine' caused by potatoe blight or some such nonesense. Look up 'The Irish Holocaust'.
@guydecervens Well guess what: Eamon De Valera (Sinn Fein President and Irish Head of State) signed the book of condolence for Adolf Hitler in Dublin in 1945. Whilst the IRA told the Germans where the factories in Belfast were so they could bomb them. Irish Republicans are the closest thing to Nazis mate!
@edmund184 I suppose his American handlers told him to do that so he would appear more anti-British. They always have an Emmanuel Goldstein for the masses while they remain gullible enough to fall for it.
I fail to see how punishing the most innocent people in this system (Us the lower and middle class's.) gets us any results at all.
I mean that leaves the filthy rich 20% who use tools like media consolidation, and corporate political, funding to bring our democratic system down around us, and manipulate it for their own ends unpunished?
Thats like blaming an aggressive dog, when his master made him that way.
I question his intelligence, or at the very least his motives.
What he says, sounds appealing. Europe has a huge problem with african and middle eastern low-IQ immigration/invasion. Most of them don't work and only get their money from the state. Each and everyone of them should have to stand in front of a commitee every 5 or so years and justify their presence in europe. If they fail to do so, they should be sent back immediately and if sending them back is impossible or they refuse to leave, they should get a nitrogen asphyxiation.
This is what happens when people who believe in the doctrine of philosophy and the dialectic method are allowed to run amuck. The same thread runs through all peoples who believe in the doctrine of philosophy in one form or another. Whether it be Hegel, or Marx &Engels or Lenin or Hitler ... etc. Shaw was an self indulged, arrogant, pompous, man who held himself in high esteem and wisdom above all other men. He sat himself as judge over all men, choosing who should live and who should die.
Frightening. Just who will sit on this "Board" to pass judgment on your life? And which people would be deemed "useful"? Why is this on Fox News? Is Fox trying to implant this idea into the mind of it's sheep-like viewers as a reasonable one?. They, after all, are told repeatedly, that they are the chosen people and that the rest of the Country is unAmerican. The media is propaganda and manipulation.
Of course he scares you...The color distortion and spooky music made sure of that. Shhh hear Pavlov ringing his bell?
And "libs" dont "look up to that monster", Liberals, are almost as naive and lemming like as neo-cohens, and patriotards... Surely they dont grasp what Shaw is saying here, as you do not.
@WorldWarPropaganda This guy is the man who came up with the gas chamber not Hilter. Music aside, he is a scary insight into the mind of a true liberal.
Sorry, can't pretend he did not say what he said. He wants people to kill people who won't fit into the Fabian socialist society.
You insult Shaw, when you claim Libs like his work. Does beck do all of your thinking? Please, show me these "libs" that support him. Most Libs I know, dont even know who Shaw is. BTW Shaw has the most logical answer to deal with over pop. You on the other hand stick your head in the sand and ignore the overwhelming reality of our problems.
@WorldWarPropaganda@Armornone Who does your thinking for you? George Soros via one of his million organizations, the New York times, the liberal media?
Shaw wants to make gas chambers to kill people. Hitler did not make the gas chamber, this guy did. They have paintings dedicated to this guy in England were the prime minister praising him. Liberals all love this guy. the English heath care system is based on his ideas. So you are saying that the Gas Chambers are logical ? U can test them out.
George Soros? LOL, yeah my friend you are lost in Beck land. Only know the names he tells you? Soros is but one cockroach among many, and he is pretty low on the ladder, but I bet you think he is "da man".
Of course they have paintings of him. Have you ever read literature? Do you even know who he is? The man is not famous for his political views, but for his play-write and literature.
You make think Shaw's statement to be extreme, and maybe they are, but he at-least addresses the issue, with his own logic and thought behind it. Like it or not, we really need to scrap alot of the things we hold dear today, but rather than acknowledge that you bury your head back in the sand.
He(Shaw) says a person should be a productive member of society, or not be apart of that society. I agree with him.
@WorldWarPropaganda Soros has over 14 Billion dollars and was banned from England for illegally manipulating the markets. Almost every liberal group can be traced back to him. I have known about him from before beck was even on TV.
So if someone fails to be productive, its off to the gas chamber for them? You have just described a Nazi work camp buddy. You have descried forced government labor with the threat of death. I am glad that you at least are one liberal who admits what he believes.
there is very little "liberal" about me. You seem to not be able to read and respond to what is said, but rather continue to use "buzzwords" and create argument points yourself, so then you can attack the points you attribute to the person you are talking to.
Look at you, still grasping for "labels". I guess to sum it up in general terms, so you can get somewhat a picture I would say, that I am American, a Nationalist, and do not believe the "pursuit of capital" should be our main objective in individual and governmental life.
@WorldWarPropaganda So what group do you best identify with ? Muslims, Mormon, Jew, Christian, anarchist, communist, Big government, Small government, libertarian, etc..
So for your question about welfare. I am generally against welfare except for the instance where is it used as a genuine safety net for someone who has been put in a bad situation by no fault of their own. I am against it for these professional deadbeats who choose to get welfare as their full time job.
@WorldWarPropaganda Because most of them are illegal aliens who have no respect for American's laws or values are are just here to steal money from hard working Americas and using the liberal government to do it. All they do is go around stealing money from people. They do not help anyone, just steal from society. I bet about 100% of them voted for Obama. They put themselves in the situation so they can steal get money from taxes. ( distribute the wealth) and they are there to collect/steal.
so let me get this straight, you are saying since these "professional deadbeats" put nothing into this society, that they should not reap any benefit from the society?
@WorldWarPropaganda No, I am not saying that. I am saying that some jackass like Obama can't use the federal government under threat of imprisonment to force people to pay taxes ( distribute the wealth) to professional deadbeats. That is equal to using the government to basically steal from a American who is trying to create something and give it to a professional deadbeat who job is to steal money or get the government to steal for them. They are stealing from people like me.
Well, you say you have no problem with the welfare program when people who have stumbled, need help to get back up, but you have an issue with the "professional deadbeats". Now the issue is with Obama and taxes...We have been paying taxes much longer than Obama has been around. Let me simply the question even more, should American's tax dollars go towards welfare programs?
@WorldWarPropaganda Maybe a little but my definition of stumbled is probably different than yours. I mean like someone lost their job because terrorist crashed a plane into their building and they need a few weeks of help get out of a bad situation which would eliminate 99% of the welfare. True Charity should come from individuals and churches, not the government. Jobs should come from private industry not government. President Wilson created the taxes, we use to have none and we did fine!
Lets try for now to keep it on one specif topic, that topic "welfare". You disagree with a government (be it state, be it federal) using the money from your taxes (which you do have to pay to keep a government functional) to support people who do not work. Right? If so... Then why, should it not be governmental policy to support these people?
@WorldWarPropaganda Are we talking about professional deadbeats on welfare or people who are honest and may have lost their job because of a terrorist attack,etc..? If we are talking about just deadbeats, then I would not support my money being forcible taken from me to pay them. Government should not support these people. If you want to personally support them or have your church support them, then that is another story because its optional, charity not forced income distribution.
If you are willing to have Governmental (society) support "victims of terrorist attacks, why then are you not willing to support "professional deadbeats"? What is the difference between the two? Why should "we" support one and not the another?
@WorldWarPropaganda Deadbeat are people trying to scam the system. Victims of 911 have been placed there by no will of their own. They did not ask for a plane to crash into their office building. That could have happen to anyone of us however a deadbeat is someone who made the decision to steal money from others as an income source and has no intention of doing anything else. I do not have any sympathy for the deadbeats who want the Obama-money. example of deadbeat fOZ-Etb0k0Q
So, just to get it clear, you are saying that people out of work due to "terrorist attacks" should get our help financially because they are good people, who will work again once they can. But the "deadbeats" should not get financial support, because they only seek to use it to not work and not contribute but rather simply to live off the government tit. Does that pretty much sum up what you are saying?
@WorldWarPropaganda I am opposed to the government stealing money from hardworking Americans and to give it to deadbeats. If someone was a victim of a terrorist attack, natural disaster, or another situation that could happen to anyone of us. Then help might be justified. Be it Church, private charity, contributions or maybe even the government( as maybe a necessary evil) but lets be clear, the government is not here to redistribute wealth for the sake of redistribution.So whats the punchline?
@WorldWarPropaganda If we got rid of welfare, we would probably have a better country. The blacks would go back to Africa or maybe Canada, the illegals would go back to Mexico. We would have much lower taxes, must less illegal immigration. Private charity would cover the safety net aspect of it that I'm talking about. Generally, the country would be better for it.
So you think there would be no violence? From the welfare class? You think people would just up and move to another country, when they already have no money. No riots? no home invasions?
Also you didnt answer part of the question...What political party can we thank for "welfare"?
@WorldWarPropaganda Political parties mean absolutely nothing. Arlen Spector, Charlie Crist, Mccain, bloomberg all once or current republicans but extremely liberal. So it does not matter which party did it, it is a bad idea.
When a state stop giving handouts to illegal aliens, they all up and leave back to Mexico or to a more liberal State. If a state has bad taxes, business leave the state. California is losing and Texas is gaining. No, there would be no Riots. We are not Greece!
We have had plenty of "riots" over much smaller things in America. And you think cutting peoples food source would not stem riots? We will have to disagree on that. Personally I think all sorts of riots and revolting would take place. It would be viewed as "racist", and "starving" the lower class...etc...I can already see the rabble rousers working up the crowds.
So we can agree its the "liberal" mentality that supports "welfare".
Now you and Shaw agree more than you think you do, which was the whole point of trying to keep this topic in the field of logic and on one specif topic, void of "emotionalism".
Liberals support welfare ideals, Shaw did not, so to attribute him as a "lib" or a person that "libs" look up to is inaccurate.
You and Shaw both agree, there should be no "hand-out" society.
Where you disagree with Shaw is: you think people will just "pack up and leave", I believe like Shaw most likely did, that these people would riot and start a crime wave, in turn effecting, killing, robing, and hurting decent citizens. So he took the stance, to avoid the chaos to come you would have to kill or expel these people.
Now, you might think that is a bit harsh, but hopefully you can see when pure "logic" is applied and not "emotionalism", how someone can reach the...
The point of this all is our media, right and left, like to "sensationalize" topics and people in order to fit whatever they are selling.. So instead of critically thinking about statements like Shaw's, and either agreeing or disagree on a level of logic. We instead make insulting comments to fellow Americans, as being a "crazy lib" or a "racist tea bagger". So understand, you and Shaw do agree to a point. And he should not be written off by you as...
@WorldWarPropaganda People if America have a much different culture and attitude vs the rest of the world. We are the only country were people protect for less government, less handouts . All other places, people will protest for more government and handouts. We also value life whereas other cultures(Muslims) value death. The problem is that he is not talking about using deadly force for riot control, he is talking about just flat out killing people in a gas chamber who fails to be productive.
@WorldWarPropaganda Also, he sounds like he is advocating forced labor with the threat of death for those who fail to meet his expectation rather than using deadly force for riot control. So no one is able to own property or have their own business but rather they are slaves on the government? That really does not sound like a very good idea to me. It has also been done many times before and it has always turned out to be mass killing and destruction whereas America is great using our methods.
....some "crazy lib". he was in fact a man like us, looking at the problem his society faced and what means to deal with it. Thank you for being civil in your discussion and for your patience. Hopefully you see the greater point I was trying to make.
@WorldWarPropaganda In Europe people riot for every little thing. In America, people do not riot, they innovate, create and help their neighbors. We got by just fine before were was any entitlement programs. The people who are demanding handouts are illegal aliens usually from South American Countries. Canada is more than willing to accept anyone( even terrorist). I am sure they can make a comfortable life in Canada. I would help someone out personally if they were the victim of terrorism,etc...
Shaw is not saying that. He is saying if you cannot, or will-not "contribute" to your society, and fellow citizens(who if we are a healthy Nation will view our fellow citizens as extended family members) than you should not be a part of that society.
And "contributing" does not simply mean "manual labor"... There are countless ways you can "contribute" to yourself, and society. So no, Shaw is not speaking of any forced labor camps, or anything of that such.
Maybe you should look into more riots in this country, we might have one in Oakland pretty soon. High Rape rape, high murder, we lead the world in drug consumption and vice consumption, we are damn near if not the fattest country.
We have plenty of riots in this country, of course not the "tea-party" types, they are mostly old, soft comfortable in their living, you know the kind of people that have their retirement taken from them, and do nothing. but welfare class will, and do.
@WorldWarPropaganda American have never rioted that I have seen in the entire history. Canadians have, Europeans do all the time but American don't. The Oakland situation did not involve Americas, I believe that was all African. We can provide free transportation to Africa if they wish or perhaps a more civilized country like Canada since they take anyone. Let me ask you, if someone in your family dos not contribute, do you kill them? You are talking about preemptive mas-murder here?
Like it or not those "Africans" are considered "Americans", and they are not leaving anytime soon. Well i try not to be a hypocrite, so it wouldn't matter whoever the person was, that did not want to be a part of society. We cant take on dead weight, its that simple...Rule of Life and nature.
@WorldWarPropaganda In these " Africans" are rioting like wild animals and your life is in danger, you would be justified in shooting them ok, but what you are proposing is mass murdering people preemptively because you say they " might" riot ? Is that your logic? You know there are other areas besides your current country that they could go. You don't need to kill people. There is something called immigration which they could do to Canada. Does your philosophy involve global domination?
Nothing preemptive about it. There used to be "lines" in society. And a Nation, village, tribe, whatever, would collectively agree, those who cross this "line" are crossing, moral, value, and traditional lines, therefore making themselves publicly against the above mentioned values. Today we blurred that "line" and have a thing called "tolerance". I say reinstate that "line" and proceed from there. And No I said I was a Nationalist, not a world police.
@WorldWarPropaganda So you recognize the right of other countries to exist correct? So why not let these people back to Africa, Mexico, Canada if they don't want to abide by the rules? Its kind of conceded to think that its our way or death. I agree that they have no place in our society but I do not see why your solution is the gas chamber instead of a map to Canada or a free trip back to Mexico, Africa, Europe, etc... For example, Hitler could have transported the Jews out of Germany right ?
Well, first off I have said nothing about gassing people or anything to that like. Hitler did try to send the jews out of Germany, first he started deporting them, but other countries started charging Germany to take the jews; then he tried to establish a jewish state in Madagascar, but the Brits, and jews within the British state put an end to that.
Nobody in America today will return anywhere, as they feel they have claim to the USA. Plus they learned from the failure of Liberia.
@WorldWarPropaganda That is not true. Many Mexicans return to their home on regular basis. Many times when a particular states come out with an enforcement measure against illegal immigration, you have a massive flow of them going back to Mexico or out of state. Many people from California are fleeing to Colorado and other states because of the bad economy. Believe me, if we had no welfare and Canada had welfare. they would be a massive flow to Canada. No need to kill people unnecessarily.
Only time will tell my friend. But you and i know, "they" are not getting rid of welfare anytime soon, so we sit and watch as our Nation decays. Anyways good talking to you. Takecare.
This is complete nonsense. Hitler hated the Jews because they prospered when Germany was in economic failure. Hitler was well studied in Hegel and Marx doctrine. Hitler was a Socialist who used the doctrine of Marx and Hegel as basis to his medical machine, which was setup to cure the ills of the German nation. He judged all lives in Germany against their danger to Aryan health. The Jews were considered a disease against Aryan health, and were therefore exterminated.
You are neither judge nor jury. God sits alone in judgement, no you. The doctrine of philosophy is the failure mode being witnessed the George Bernard Shaw, Adolph Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Castro, Hegel, Marx, Engels, Feuerbach, the Bauer brothers, Kant, Saint Simon, Tolstoy, HG Wells, The Fabian Society, Socialists, Communists, Progressives and Liberation Theology (Marxist Christianity). They are all based on the same religious adherence to the doctrine of philosophy.
"I appeal to the chemists to discover a humane gas that will kill instantly and painlessly. Deadly by all means, but humane, not cruel." Fabian Socialist George Bernard Shaw, LISTENER Feb 7, 1934
The thing he doesnt get is that most (if not ALL.) of us were born as prisoners on this society, we were never given a choice not to partake, in fact we are literally forced to be A part of it.
Yet another well spoken idiot who doesnt actually understand the world around him.
@RedGrobo i second that, dude. absolutely, we need to teach these psycho "humane" angels of death to kill themselves, before they start gassing and killing innocent people.
I fail to see how punishing the most innocent people in this system (Us the lower and middle class's.) gets us any results at all.
I mean that leaves the filthy rich 20% who use tools like media consolidation, and corporate political, funding to bring our democratic system down around us, and manipulate it for their own ends unpunished?
Thats like blaming an aggressive dog, when his master made him that way.
I question his intelligence, or at the very least his motives.
Please, dont bring that weak shit here boy, tell me do you even have the ability to discuss what is in the video above? If so lets see it smart guy, otherwise youre just flinging shit in a room full of people smarter then you to get attention.
@RedGrobo Oh i just noticed your name, this is above your intelegence, you should thank me for the counter argument to this video, something tells me you couldnt justtify your existence for very long...
You just got fucking owned, no go be mediocre at call of duty, this is obviously all above you, and if it isnt please, bring up the arguement to prove me wrong, id like to see it.
Put your money where your mouth is smart guy, what do you know about this subject?
@RedGrobo Really, i am speaking the truth if you want to fucking die no one cares what you say is not profound an dis said by nearly every teen sometime in their life so shut up and stop acting intelligent. People like you annoy the shit out of me.
FOX IS BULLSHIT!
TheAMOTimes 2 months ago
he would never do that. he's my uncle. i am related to him.
TheRacerfarrow 3 months ago
This words might have been used by Shaw ironically, what we are seeing it now like this...!
naughtynavraj 5 months ago
Jesus! It was SATIRE, folks, that's all. A literary conceit. Shaw didn't want to kill people.
CharlieChan007 6 months ago
@CharlieChan007 Incorrect. Do you know anything about the Fabian Society? Or the Tavistock Institute? I can assure you, this is not satire. Perhaps you should read what other Fabian's had to say. It was all this type of stuff -social engineering, eugenics, population reduction. Shaw was an elitist scumbag. That's not even an opinion, it's simply fact. This information is not hidden either, all it takes is a bit of honest research to find out what kind of inhumane creature he was.
ThEmIdNiGhTiNtRuDeR 3 weeks ago
Fuck FOX NEWS
darklamb7 6 months ago
wtf.... was he brainwashed
TheUndertakerSaysRIP 6 months ago
This is all said rather tongue and cheek
marcolopolis555 7 months ago
@marcolopolis555 You are wrong about that. He was an elitist, this kind of talk is extremely common from these types. Forget his works of entertainment, find out instead about his membership of the Fabian Society and his ties to the Tavistock Institute. Then you will find out what kind of man he actually was, and not just how you like to think of him. He was an extremely sick and unpleasant individual.
ThEmIdNiGhTiNtRuDeR 3 weeks ago
just some irish sense of humor. irish people have a really weird sense of humor.
mrHnelson 7 months ago
@mrHnelson Don't kid yourself.
ThEmIdNiGhTiNtRuDeR 3 weeks ago
It's funny that a known Sexual Shit Eater like Shaw would expect OTHERS to justify their own existence while Shaw's getting forbidden erections by thinking about poop.
REDcommunismRUM 10 months ago
@REDcommunismRUM lol! I heard that Shaw gives a mean Turd Blowjob!
CHEwasGAY 10 months ago 2
This is typical the the Loyalist Protestant attitude in Ireland. For centuries they have slaughtered and caused the deaths of millions. They would say it was a 'famine' caused by potatoe blight or some such nonesense. Look up 'The Irish Holocaust'.
guydecervens 10 months ago
@guydecervens Well guess what: Eamon De Valera (Sinn Fein President and Irish Head of State) signed the book of condolence for Adolf Hitler in Dublin in 1945. Whilst the IRA told the Germans where the factories in Belfast were so they could bomb them. Irish Republicans are the closest thing to Nazis mate!
edmund184 7 months ago
@edmund184 I suppose his American handlers told him to do that so he would appear more anti-British. They always have an Emmanuel Goldstein for the masses while they remain gullible enough to fall for it.
guydecervens 7 months ago
Heres a repost.
I fail to see how punishing the most innocent people in this system (Us the lower and middle class's.) gets us any results at all.
I mean that leaves the filthy rich 20% who use tools like media consolidation, and corporate political, funding to bring our democratic system down around us, and manipulate it for their own ends unpunished?
Thats like blaming an aggressive dog, when his master made him that way.
I question his intelligence, or at the very least his motives.
RedGrobo 10 months ago
What he says, sounds appealing. Europe has a huge problem with african and middle eastern low-IQ immigration/invasion. Most of them don't work and only get their money from the state. Each and everyone of them should have to stand in front of a commitee every 5 or so years and justify their presence in europe. If they fail to do so, they should be sent back immediately and if sending them back is impossible or they refuse to leave, they should get a nitrogen asphyxiation.
Scorpitarios 11 months ago
Thumbs up if you think fascism will come to America wrapped in a flag carrying a bible.
ronpaulbot 1 year ago
@ronpaulbot You already have it :(
m1aws 1 year ago
This is what happens when people who believe in the doctrine of philosophy and the dialectic method are allowed to run amuck. The same thread runs through all peoples who believe in the doctrine of philosophy in one form or another. Whether it be Hegel, or Marx &Engels or Lenin or Hitler ... etc. Shaw was an self indulged, arrogant, pompous, man who held himself in high esteem and wisdom above all other men. He sat himself as judge over all men, choosing who should live and who should die.
bobbykhawk 1 year ago
@bobbykhawk
isn't "religion" a "philosophy"? Do not men always "speak for god"?
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
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this is why i am a Christian.
kit2ng219 1 year ago
Frightening. Just who will sit on this "Board" to pass judgment on your life? And which people would be deemed "useful"? Why is this on Fox News? Is Fox trying to implant this idea into the mind of it's sheep-like viewers as a reasonable one?. They, after all, are told repeatedly, that they are the chosen people and that the rest of the Country is unAmerican. The media is propaganda and manipulation.
ravioneu 1 year ago
That guy scares me shitless. I can't believe liberals look up to this monster.
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
Of course he scares you...The color distortion and spooky music made sure of that. Shhh hear Pavlov ringing his bell?
And "libs" dont "look up to that monster", Liberals, are almost as naive and lemming like as neo-cohens, and patriotards... Surely they dont grasp what Shaw is saying here, as you do not.
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda This guy is the man who came up with the gas chamber not Hilter. Music aside, he is a scary insight into the mind of a true liberal.
Sorry, can't pretend he did not say what he said. He wants people to kill people who won't fit into the Fabian socialist society.
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
You insult Shaw, when you claim Libs like his work. Does beck do all of your thinking? Please, show me these "libs" that support him. Most Libs I know, dont even know who Shaw is. BTW Shaw has the most logical answer to deal with over pop. You on the other hand stick your head in the sand and ignore the overwhelming reality of our problems.
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda @Armornone Who does your thinking for you? George Soros via one of his million organizations, the New York times, the liberal media?
Shaw wants to make gas chambers to kill people. Hitler did not make the gas chamber, this guy did. They have paintings dedicated to this guy in England were the prime minister praising him. Liberals all love this guy. the English heath care system is based on his ideas. So you are saying that the Gas Chambers are logical ? U can test them out.
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
George Soros? LOL, yeah my friend you are lost in Beck land. Only know the names he tells you? Soros is but one cockroach among many, and he is pretty low on the ladder, but I bet you think he is "da man".
Of course they have paintings of him. Have you ever read literature? Do you even know who he is? The man is not famous for his political views, but for his play-write and literature.
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@Armornone
You make think Shaw's statement to be extreme, and maybe they are, but he at-least addresses the issue, with his own logic and thought behind it. Like it or not, we really need to scrap alot of the things we hold dear today, but rather than acknowledge that you bury your head back in the sand.
He(Shaw) says a person should be a productive member of society, or not be apart of that society. I agree with him.
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda Soros has over 14 Billion dollars and was banned from England for illegally manipulating the markets. Almost every liberal group can be traced back to him. I have known about him from before beck was even on TV.
So if someone fails to be productive, its off to the gas chamber for them? You have just described a Nazi work camp buddy. You have descried forced government labor with the threat of death. I am glad that you at least are one liberal who admits what he believes.
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
there is very little "liberal" about me. You seem to not be able to read and respond to what is said, but rather continue to use "buzzwords" and create argument points yourself, so then you can attack the points you attribute to the person you are talking to.
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda So you are not a Liberal? Then what are you, a Nazi or something?
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
Look at you, still grasping for "labels". I guess to sum it up in general terms, so you can get somewhat a picture I would say, that I am American, a Nationalist, and do not believe the "pursuit of capital" should be our main objective in individual and governmental life.
Lets try this.
Answer this question for me, if you would.
What do you think about the "welfare" program?
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda So what group do you best identify with ? Muslims, Mormon, Jew, Christian, anarchist, communist, Big government, Small government, libertarian, etc..
So for your question about welfare. I am generally against welfare except for the instance where is it used as a genuine safety net for someone who has been put in a bad situation by no fault of their own. I am against it for these professional deadbeats who choose to get welfare as their full time job.
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
Why are you against the "professional deadbeats"?
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda Because most of them are illegal aliens who have no respect for American's laws or values are are just here to steal money from hard working Americas and using the liberal government to do it. All they do is go around stealing money from people. They do not help anyone, just steal from society. I bet about 100% of them voted for Obama. They put themselves in the situation so they can steal get money from taxes. ( distribute the wealth) and they are there to collect/steal.
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
so let me get this straight, you are saying since these "professional deadbeats" put nothing into this society, that they should not reap any benefit from the society?
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda No, I am not saying that. I am saying that some jackass like Obama can't use the federal government under threat of imprisonment to force people to pay taxes ( distribute the wealth) to professional deadbeats. That is equal to using the government to basically steal from a American who is trying to create something and give it to a professional deadbeat who job is to steal money or get the government to steal for them. They are stealing from people like me.
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
Well, you say you have no problem with the welfare program when people who have stumbled, need help to get back up, but you have an issue with the "professional deadbeats". Now the issue is with Obama and taxes...We have been paying taxes much longer than Obama has been around. Let me simply the question even more, should American's tax dollars go towards welfare programs?
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda Maybe a little but my definition of stumbled is probably different than yours. I mean like someone lost their job because terrorist crashed a plane into their building and they need a few weeks of help get out of a bad situation which would eliminate 99% of the welfare. True Charity should come from individuals and churches, not the government. Jobs should come from private industry not government. President Wilson created the taxes, we use to have none and we did fine!
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
Lets try for now to keep it on one specif topic, that topic "welfare". You disagree with a government (be it state, be it federal) using the money from your taxes (which you do have to pay to keep a government functional) to support people who do not work. Right? If so... Then why, should it not be governmental policy to support these people?
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda Are we talking about professional deadbeats on welfare or people who are honest and may have lost their job because of a terrorist attack,etc..? If we are talking about just deadbeats, then I would not support my money being forcible taken from me to pay them. Government should not support these people. If you want to personally support them or have your church support them, then that is another story because its optional, charity not forced income distribution.
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
If you are willing to have Governmental (society) support "victims of terrorist attacks, why then are you not willing to support "professional deadbeats"? What is the difference between the two? Why should "we" support one and not the another?
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda Deadbeat are people trying to scam the system. Victims of 911 have been placed there by no will of their own. They did not ask for a plane to crash into their office building. That could have happen to anyone of us however a deadbeat is someone who made the decision to steal money from others as an income source and has no intention of doing anything else. I do not have any sympathy for the deadbeats who want the Obama-money. example of deadbeat fOZ-Etb0k0Q
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
So, just to get it clear, you are saying that people out of work due to "terrorist attacks" should get our help financially because they are good people, who will work again once they can. But the "deadbeats" should not get financial support, because they only seek to use it to not work and not contribute but rather simply to live off the government tit. Does that pretty much sum up what you are saying?
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda I am opposed to the government stealing money from hardworking Americans and to give it to deadbeats. If someone was a victim of a terrorist attack, natural disaster, or another situation that could happen to anyone of us. Then help might be justified. Be it Church, private charity, contributions or maybe even the government( as maybe a necessary evil) but lets be clear, the government is not here to redistribute wealth for the sake of redistribution.So whats the punchline?
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone Rest assure the point is coming.
Who can we thank for welfare(as far as political parties go)?
And what do you think would happen if we got rid of all welfare programs today?
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda If we got rid of welfare, we would probably have a better country. The blacks would go back to Africa or maybe Canada, the illegals would go back to Mexico. We would have much lower taxes, must less illegal immigration. Private charity would cover the safety net aspect of it that I'm talking about. Generally, the country would be better for it.
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
So you think there would be no violence? From the welfare class? You think people would just up and move to another country, when they already have no money. No riots? no home invasions?
Also you didnt answer part of the question...What political party can we thank for "welfare"?
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda Political parties mean absolutely nothing. Arlen Spector, Charlie Crist, Mccain, bloomberg all once or current republicans but extremely liberal. So it does not matter which party did it, it is a bad idea.
When a state stop giving handouts to illegal aliens, they all up and leave back to Mexico or to a more liberal State. If a state has bad taxes, business leave the state. California is losing and Texas is gaining. No, there would be no Riots. We are not Greece!
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
We have had plenty of "riots" over much smaller things in America. And you think cutting peoples food source would not stem riots? We will have to disagree on that. Personally I think all sorts of riots and revolting would take place. It would be viewed as "racist", and "starving" the lower class...etc...I can already see the rabble rousers working up the crowds.
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@Armornone
So we can agree its the "liberal" mentality that supports "welfare".
Now you and Shaw agree more than you think you do, which was the whole point of trying to keep this topic in the field of logic and on one specif topic, void of "emotionalism".
Liberals support welfare ideals, Shaw did not, so to attribute him as a "lib" or a person that "libs" look up to is inaccurate.
You and Shaw both agree, there should be no "hand-out" society.
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@Armornone
Where you disagree with Shaw is: you think people will just "pack up and leave", I believe like Shaw most likely did, that these people would riot and start a crime wave, in turn effecting, killing, robing, and hurting decent citizens. So he took the stance, to avoid the chaos to come you would have to kill or expel these people.
Now, you might think that is a bit harsh, but hopefully you can see when pure "logic" is applied and not "emotionalism", how someone can reach the...
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@Armornone
...conclusion that Shaw did.
The point of this all is our media, right and left, like to "sensationalize" topics and people in order to fit whatever they are selling.. So instead of critically thinking about statements like Shaw's, and either agreeing or disagree on a level of logic. We instead make insulting comments to fellow Americans, as being a "crazy lib" or a "racist tea bagger". So understand, you and Shaw do agree to a point. And he should not be written off by you as...
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda People if America have a much different culture and attitude vs the rest of the world. We are the only country were people protect for less government, less handouts . All other places, people will protest for more government and handouts. We also value life whereas other cultures(Muslims) value death. The problem is that he is not talking about using deadly force for riot control, he is talking about just flat out killing people in a gas chamber who fails to be productive.
Armornone 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda Also, he sounds like he is advocating forced labor with the threat of death for those who fail to meet his expectation rather than using deadly force for riot control. So no one is able to own property or have their own business but rather they are slaves on the government? That really does not sound like a very good idea to me. It has also been done many times before and it has always turned out to be mass killing and destruction whereas America is great using our methods.
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
....some "crazy lib". he was in fact a man like us, looking at the problem his society faced and what means to deal with it. Thank you for being civil in your discussion and for your patience. Hopefully you see the greater point I was trying to make.
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda In Europe people riot for every little thing. In America, people do not riot, they innovate, create and help their neighbors. We got by just fine before were was any entitlement programs. The people who are demanding handouts are illegal aliens usually from South American Countries. Canada is more than willing to accept anyone( even terrorist). I am sure they can make a comfortable life in Canada. I would help someone out personally if they were the victim of terrorism,etc...
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
Shaw is not saying that. He is saying if you cannot, or will-not "contribute" to your society, and fellow citizens(who if we are a healthy Nation will view our fellow citizens as extended family members) than you should not be a part of that society.
And "contributing" does not simply mean "manual labor"... There are countless ways you can "contribute" to yourself, and society. So no, Shaw is not speaking of any forced labor camps, or anything of that such.
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@Armornone
Maybe you should look into more riots in this country, we might have one in Oakland pretty soon. High Rape rape, high murder, we lead the world in drug consumption and vice consumption, we are damn near if not the fattest country.
We have plenty of riots in this country, of course not the "tea-party" types, they are mostly old, soft comfortable in their living, you know the kind of people that have their retirement taken from them, and do nothing. but welfare class will, and do.
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda American have never rioted that I have seen in the entire history. Canadians have, Europeans do all the time but American don't. The Oakland situation did not involve Americas, I believe that was all African. We can provide free transportation to Africa if they wish or perhaps a more civilized country like Canada since they take anyone. Let me ask you, if someone in your family dos not contribute, do you kill them? You are talking about preemptive mas-murder here?
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
Like it or not those "Africans" are considered "Americans", and they are not leaving anytime soon. Well i try not to be a hypocrite, so it wouldn't matter whoever the person was, that did not want to be a part of society. We cant take on dead weight, its that simple...Rule of Life and nature.
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda In these " Africans" are rioting like wild animals and your life is in danger, you would be justified in shooting them ok, but what you are proposing is mass murdering people preemptively because you say they " might" riot ? Is that your logic? You know there are other areas besides your current country that they could go. You don't need to kill people. There is something called immigration which they could do to Canada. Does your philosophy involve global domination?
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
Nothing preemptive about it. There used to be "lines" in society. And a Nation, village, tribe, whatever, would collectively agree, those who cross this "line" are crossing, moral, value, and traditional lines, therefore making themselves publicly against the above mentioned values. Today we blurred that "line" and have a thing called "tolerance". I say reinstate that "line" and proceed from there. And No I said I was a Nationalist, not a world police.
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda So you recognize the right of other countries to exist correct? So why not let these people back to Africa, Mexico, Canada if they don't want to abide by the rules? Its kind of conceded to think that its our way or death. I agree that they have no place in our society but I do not see why your solution is the gas chamber instead of a map to Canada or a free trip back to Mexico, Africa, Europe, etc... For example, Hitler could have transported the Jews out of Germany right ?
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
Well, first off I have said nothing about gassing people or anything to that like. Hitler did try to send the jews out of Germany, first he started deporting them, but other countries started charging Germany to take the jews; then he tried to establish a jewish state in Madagascar, but the Brits, and jews within the British state put an end to that.
Nobody in America today will return anywhere, as they feel they have claim to the USA. Plus they learned from the failure of Liberia.
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda That is not true. Many Mexicans return to their home on regular basis. Many times when a particular states come out with an enforcement measure against illegal immigration, you have a massive flow of them going back to Mexico or out of state. Many people from California are fleeing to Colorado and other states because of the bad economy. Believe me, if we had no welfare and Canada had welfare. they would be a massive flow to Canada. No need to kill people unnecessarily.
Armornone 1 year ago
@Armornone
Only time will tell my friend. But you and i know, "they" are not getting rid of welfare anytime soon, so we sit and watch as our Nation decays. Anyways good talking to you. Takecare.
WorldWarPropaganda 1 year ago
@Armornone California. 12% of the U.S. population, 40% of the U.S. welfare.
rjpancerniCAUSA 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda
This is complete nonsense. Hitler hated the Jews because they prospered when Germany was in economic failure. Hitler was well studied in Hegel and Marx doctrine. Hitler was a Socialist who used the doctrine of Marx and Hegel as basis to his medical machine, which was setup to cure the ills of the German nation. He judged all lives in Germany against their danger to Aryan health. The Jews were considered a disease against Aryan health, and were therefore exterminated.
bobbykhawk 1 year ago
@WorldWarPropaganda
You are neither judge nor jury. God sits alone in judgement, no you. The doctrine of philosophy is the failure mode being witnessed the George Bernard Shaw, Adolph Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Castro, Hegel, Marx, Engels, Feuerbach, the Bauer brothers, Kant, Saint Simon, Tolstoy, HG Wells, The Fabian Society, Socialists, Communists, Progressives and Liberation Theology (Marxist Christianity). They are all based on the same religious adherence to the doctrine of philosophy.
bobbykhawk 1 year ago 2
Big words coming from a little fucker that never produced anything but a few plays.
BulldogsRule12 1 year ago 17
@BulldogsRule12 Preach it! =D
McLovin2169 1 year ago
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Existentialisht 1 year ago
Where are the sources? All I'm hearing is conjecture. "He wrote" without saying where he wrote it is no good to any serious person.
Beck once wrote: "I am a Nazi. Adolf Hitler is my hero and I often masturbate when I think of him."
See how it works?
samsonlovesyou 1 year ago
"I appeal to the chemists to discover a humane gas that will kill instantly and painlessly. Deadly by all means, but humane, not cruel." Fabian Socialist George Bernard Shaw, LISTENER Feb 7, 1934
bfreed100 1 year ago
The thing he doesnt get is that most (if not ALL.) of us were born as prisoners on this society, we were never given a choice not to partake, in fact we are literally forced to be A part of it.
Yet another well spoken idiot who doesnt actually understand the world around him.
RedGrobo 1 year ago
@RedGrobo i second that, dude. absolutely, we need to teach these psycho "humane" angels of death to kill themselves, before they start gassing and killing innocent people.
6I6Am6A9red9Pill9 1 year ago
@6I6Am6A9red9Pill9
I fail to see how punishing the most innocent people in this system (Us the lower and middle class's.) gets us any results at all.
I mean that leaves the filthy rich 20% who use tools like media consolidation, and corporate political, funding to bring our democratic system down around us, and manipulate it for their own ends unpunished?
Thats like blaming an aggressive dog, when his master made him that way.
I question his intelligence, or at the very least his motives.
RedGrobo 1 year ago
@RedGrobo Well if you dont like it no ones stopping you from leaving.
callofduty4eva 10 months ago
@callofduty4eva
Please, dont bring that weak shit here boy, tell me do you even have the ability to discuss what is in the video above? If so lets see it smart guy, otherwise youre just flinging shit in a room full of people smarter then you to get attention.
RedGrobo 10 months ago
@RedGrobo Oh i just noticed your name, this is above your intelegence, you should thank me for the counter argument to this video, something tells me you couldnt justtify your existence for very long...
You just got fucking owned, no go be mediocre at call of duty, this is obviously all above you, and if it isnt please, bring up the arguement to prove me wrong, id like to see it.
Put your money where your mouth is smart guy, what do you know about this subject?
RedGrobo 10 months ago
@RedGrobo Really, i am speaking the truth if you want to fucking die no one cares what you say is not profound an dis said by nearly every teen sometime in their life so shut up and stop acting intelligent. People like you annoy the shit out of me.
callofduty4eva 10 months ago