last year the painter hosted in this video was stabbed and hardly wounded by an islamist millitant."the ataturk tought association" members and many more kemalists detained two years ago and they are in custody since then.they were accused of planning a coup d'etat against the government.any realistic evident haven't found yet but they still keep them in jails.ataturk's image and sculptures are everywhere except the ruling party's ideology. this is a counter-revolution.
Ataturk was the greatest ever soldier and politician that has ever lived. Turkish people are rightly proud of him. He saved them from a terrifying fate at the hands of just about everyone.
There is nationalism everywhere and this should be viewed a component of pluralism in every society. Nationalism is everywhere - let it be in the USA, Britain, Ireland or Russia or somewhere else.
Mustafass was an alcoholic drunk. He personaly organized the destruction of all the Christian populations of Anatolia. He raped Christian women, blazed innocent children in the fire and killed their parents and grantparents. He stolen everything from them including their lives. Then he simply took their place calling himself a secular leader. That´s why he drunk so much to forgett his crimes against humanity, but Gods judgment finaly cought up with him, gave him psoriasis of the lever. The end!
@fenriz218 kurds neighbours??) kurds doenst exist till the seljuks turks invated in persian and eastern anatolia..greeks?? who are they ?? some folk refer to homer and the old gods? cypriots?? --they are in the EU while their island dont belong to the european area..thats why apparently turkey dont belong to EU...bulgaria?? a mix folk of an old turkic tribe (bolgar turks) with slavic tribes..genhis khan had turkic and mongol warriors in his army just he wasnt muslim and fought against everybody
@fenriz218 are you fucked or raped by a TURK? i'm from belgium and 1of the 2 belgians are going for vacation to Turkey. holland england the same, and Germans they second land is Turkey... they have even a german village in antalya... Kurds are not our neighbours :D greeks,armenians,bulgarians cypriots lived 600 years under Turkish control and they are at life this times because we where always peacefull. i'm a tatar my granthfathers wher wariors of CENGIZ KHAN! and we are olso from TURKIC tribes
Turkey needs islam, that way its fall will be certain as a NON ARAB Nation. Arabic if imposed and arabsisation takes place Arabs of Arabia can again be their boss. Also it serves western interests where they can keep the turks out of EU. Also black africans who have a booming population can arrive in turkey marrying and mixing in the turkish society as a lot of Black muslims can feel at home for islamic brotherhood. Also Islam will truly bring Mongols to power in turkeye Kurds are European.
@mishrik Friend, Turks existed before Islam as well and thrived. Tengriists before Islam, Turkic people established one of the biggest empires before without Islam intervening that is to date the largest single region empire.
A lot of powerful and miraculous things happened before Islam came. Ataturk gave his life for the Turkish life his people enjoy today; which is an envy t a lot of unstable oil-dependent Arab theocracies. Religion will only take Turkey back to the ashes of Ottoman Empire.
@Saffronwing1 BLACK AFRICANS USE GREECE TO TRANSIT INTO EUROPE, INSTEAD BLACK MOSLEMS CAN ENTER TURKEY AND AS MOSLEMS CAN ASSIMILATE ALSO CAN RULE TURKEY AS A CALIPHATE.
Its typical for Arabs, you betrayed us everytime, erlier Ottoman time with Lauwrence prince of arabia and after that they sold your Country to the Jews and now you pay for it...
But the Turks forgive that and try to stop this Genocide on your arab people there
Its typical for Arabs, you betrayed us everytime, erlier Ottoman time with Lauwrence prince of arabia and after that they sold your Country to the Israelis and now you pay for it...
But the turks forgive that and try to stop this Genocide on arab people there
@king36er You Turks are independent race and clan of people from Central Asia and you were there before Islam. Don't make the same mistake that almost destroyed your civilization had it not been for Ataturk. Islam became a means of Arabic imperialism in your country and you were denied knowledge and technology which only Ataturk and Kemalist modern thinking brought in.
Today Turkish economy is stronger than European recession and this was mainly because ot Kemalism that transformed your land.
Ho an I forgot to mention ,, the Armenian (Sevan Nisanyan) talking 80% of the time, about how evil Turks are. Is the same guy who beat his whife an broke a jar on her head, in reaction to that he was fired from the newspaper he worked in and his wife devorced him ofcourse ...
Yeah that seems like the PERFECT man to ask about M.K. Ataturk, you keep disgusting me Aljezeera, shame on you !!
@3choBlast3r@3choBlast3r My Turkish friend, Al Jazeera is just a tool to spread Arab imperialism a.k.a Islam around the world again. The modern Turkish script change was most resented by Arabs because they could not dominate on Turkey's mindset as a "divine land". You must remember that you were there proud and strong as non-muslims as well. Be proud of your Turkic origin rather than Islam which isn't yours. Islam is a tool used to gain dominance over you.
Be ashamed of you self Aljazeera, you can act like you're just showing Ataturks legacy, but you're clearly trying to demonize his image.
why not walk the Streets and ask the people instead of a Communist Kurd who supports a Terrorist seperatists anti Turkish organization (pkk) and an "Turkish Armenian" who does nothing else than demonize Turks and Muslims and believes Christians and Armenians to be superior to the rest and at the same times condemns Turkish Nationalism
Also how dare you accuse the "majority" of our kurdish citizens as anti Kemalist and PKK supporters, only the Kurd talking Tarik Ziya Akinci is a Terrorist supporting pig. I can't stand this propaganda, And why the hell does an Anti-Turk Armenian guy talk for most of the documentary? Also Orhan Pamuk ONLY got his nobel prize for accepting 1915 as a Genocide, has anyone EVER read his books .. I did, and believe me he is one of the worst writers in the world.
Aljazeera you're making me sick ... I know you love to critize Turkey and Ataturk because it doens't want to "Arabize" but why ...
Why the hell are you interviewing Sevan Nisanyan whom isn't Turkish but Armenian, calls 90% of the population a "kemalist cult" and says Muslims can never be democratic or secualr (that's nothing more than fascism)??? He said that in the first part, now suddenly we're all "fundementalists" because we have pride in our flag?
Turkey rages with a power struggle between two groups of different geographies, neither of which holds a vision of the future relevant to the political geography of the present.
Fuck Europe and his democracy and human rights, fuck america and his "rights" to attack other countries fuck the araps and their false knowledge of religion.
What do you expect from an arabic tv station.They are not going to praise turks even if they are right. The biggest mistake the turks made was supporting the arabs for hundreds of years in the name of religion. What you don't understand we don't need your religion. The Turks were still a great nation before islam and always will be. Ataturk was a genius like Einstein but in a different perspective.How many people can you show me equal to him in greatness. We still love him!
Sonunda da Atatürk'ün fikirlerini aşın artık demiş şerefsizler. Tabi işlerine gelmiyo. Sevr anlaşmasıyla bölemediler ülkeyi, şimdi milleti Atatürk'ün fikirlerinden soğutup bölmeye çalışıyolar.
yaw bide big brotherla karşılaştırmışlar Atatürk'ü. iyi gibi görünüp sinsi sinsi vermişler vermek istedikleri mesajı.
Ataturk might as well have abolished Islam from Turkey altogether...it is still a nuisance to the Military State in which has to intervene periodically. I think his next step was to abolish it, as he was an autocrat.
He probably would have abolished Islam altogether as it was and is a nuisance to the Military State, but this would have been a radical move by Ataturk and people would have rebelled. So he did the NEXT best thing...he eliminated many of the components of Islam. By Turkey becoming Secular it left a socioreligious quagmire...because you cannot take Islam out of the Turkish people, therefore this is why some Turkish people are often challenging the State with Islamic values, morals or doctrine.
he dissliked islam, ezan was in the past only speaking in turkish while ezan is supposed to be arabic, thanks to akp we gain our orginallity back...ataturk was a atheist and was always against muslims, the imams in turkey are not allowed to teach quran to kids...but fortunately since his death the muslim could regain their origin back
these other two directions of islam is rarely found in other muslim countries(rather, it exists underground, opressed)
A kalifat cant exist in a modern state as it did 500 years ago. its a department now and redefines and interprets islam back and forth to develop, nothing to remark on actually. The kurdish question is simple logics. they were treated bad from the beginning and investment rarely makes its way towards the kurdish dominated areas.
Kemalism is something Dynamic. Ataturk realized that the turkish state must change and improve. The abolishment of the kalifat and sultanat cant possibly be an hostile act towards muslims(number of muslims and turks in turkey actually rose after the fall of ottoman empire in the anatolian areas) Islam is a religion that is personal and not something you can force on to ppl.i see it as a favour to muslims in turkey to form our own religion.Sufism and alewism are to other important paths of islam
Nisanyan makes a faulty remark. the one about discussing ataturk- i am a turk living in sweden. I love discussing ataturk, politisc etc with strangers on streets.
One must make clear the fact, which was brought up in the story here, that the implementation of turkishness in the 50s has changed the views towards citizens.
i hate the fact that people tend to think Kemalism is something static.Ataturk created a state which must look towards the greatest of civilizations.
It is important for those watching this video to understand that the guy who appears from time to time with the glasses and bald head is obviously biased.
Foreigners might not notice this, his 'views' towards secularism in Turkey and nationalism are all what we could consider 'anti-Turkish'.
Now there are Armenian-Turks who aren't anti-Turkish, I don't want to be stereotypical, but this guy is an Armenian-Turk who is anti-Turkish (last name is Samaryan, Armenian name).
oi all ov u sud shut ur mouths u fuckn illuminati piece of pigs, da world ur livin is shit whearas if ATATURK wz ere TURKEY will be da best counttry inda world. and non of u english, germans etc know becuase ur not turkish, ATATURK is very important to us, he saved us from war, and never killed alevi im alevi turkish and in cem evi alevi puts ataturks images, he only killed people who betrayed turkey like arabs, sum kurds, armeni brainwashed by english and globally!
If Hitler had won WW2 He would be regarded like Ataturk is now and Churchill would be like Hitler.
It's about personality cults. Ataturk made Turkey Secular but the people filled the Vacuum with Ataturk. He is a new Religion complete with Idol worship.
But I don't think it can go on much longer. Young people must see through this. It's a battle between the Islamists and the Kemalists..and a modern Turkey in the EU.
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he killed lots of people, armenier, kurdish and zazas. He killed in the year of 1938 in Tünceli (DERSIM before) 80.000 people because there are not turkisch. Hitler wrote Atatürk that he is idol for him. Just think the rest yourself......
I didn't know that. I'm surprised they are in EU then. In UK you are more likely to be prosecuted for making racist insults than insulting the Queen or Govt, We have many minorities here and we even give state Benefits to Supporters and Preachers of Terrorism.
fjt108 are you the one deciding if Turkye is going to join the European Union LMAO. When Turkye joins the EU and your kurdistan trash stays ignored go kill yourself LMAO.
He called the whole country including Anatolia, Turkey. You would be in the EU by now if not for your War and Oppression of Kurds. you need to admit Armenian Genocide and stop prosecuting writers for insulting Turkishness.
The ancient land called England is part of the United Kingdom, It;s also called Britain another ancient name.
The point is Ataturk completely ignored other ethnic races, Kurds, Alevis, Armenians, Greeks and chose one group Turks. If he had given the Kurds land. Western ''Turkey'' would have progressed more rapidly. The war has held you back.
Kemalism makes Turkey look Brainwashed, Backward and Intolerant to Freedom of Speech. They have a long way to before they are ready for EU membership,
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Mustafa Kamal was an English agent. He was leading the Turkish Army in Palastine and did a deal with the British to leave the Plastine land for them and they will make him leader of modern Turkey. By this way Palastine goes to the jows. This is facts about Ataturk that most turkish show him respect. for sure, He is in the Hell now
Maybe Ataturk was the main person on drawing out occupiers but he was the nationalist who created the word "Turk" against the words "Ottoman" and "Muslim" and then started Turkish nationalism. He was not Muslim and died from alcohol. Anyway he is not God, ppl have to know that.
Skanderberg won a battle and a bit time, but at least the Ottomans owned Albania 400 years. The albans waited for help from other christian kingdoms, but they lleft the Albans allone. Sounds similar to the things which happens now :).
Athlea Christi Skanderberg will not safe them. Albania will not an EU Member, like Turkey :).
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Anon from the castle walls The crescent banner falls, And the crowd beholds instead, Like a portent in the sky, Iskander's banner fly, The Black Eagle with double head; And a shout ascends on high, For men's souls are tired of the Turks, And their wicked ways and works, That have made of Ak-Hissar A city of the plague; And the loud, exultant cry That echoes wide and far Is: Long live Scanderbeg!
Allah Yir7amo! Any things against Islam or attacking Islam itself came AFTER ATATURK! What ATaturk attacked was DOGMAS and traditional things that were ATTACHED to Islam but were really un-Islamic! In the end he loved his country and his people...and he protected turks from turning towards the dangerous Salafi Wahabi way of Some Muslims we today, which is actually Intolerant, full of hate and UN ISLAMIC!
Excerpt from "What Went Wrong" by Benard Lewis. Page 28-29
"For a while in the late fifteenth and more especially in the sixteenth cneturies, Jewish refugees from Europe played a minor but unimportant role in Ottoman society - bringing European economics, technical, and medical skills, and ocassionally serving in diplomatic missions.
But with the cessation of Jewish immigration from Europe this virtually came to an end. Those who came from Europe had brought useful skills and knowledge; their locally-born descendants lackes these advantages, their role was correspondingly diminished."
One has to only ask Peter Balakian about his trip to Turkey in which he would asked and questioned people about the Armenian genocide and was almost arrested for it - he had to hire kurds to do his own documentary in Turkey - he was set free but was constantly being monitored as he said in Public television {PBS} by the police and military for QUESTIONING and ASKING people about the Armenian genocide. That my dear friend is a totalitarian government. Sorry to give it to you straight...
What you are trying to say is that if he is incorrect about the Armenian genocide then he must be incorrect in all he says - and that's just plain stupid. Because all the stuff he says about Turkey is backed up by other scholars, historians and sources.
1961 book by Princeton professor Bernard Lewis - " The emergence of modern Turkey" - on page 356 - ".... Terrible Holocaust of 1915when 1.5 million Armenians perished..."
This clearly shows he is or used to be a believer of the Armenian genocide. So whether he changed his mind for financial or whatever reason shouldn't disqualify him fully about everything he says....if this were so then he wouldn't be teaching at PRINCETON.
And look all that people arround that table!! they are modern (non turkish people) a TURK is born SOLDIER and beliefers,, in the OTTOMAN time the TURKS where smart clever and they prayed 5 time at day!! since kemal came everything change!! look all that faces they are not TURKS!! they all FAKE!! all that kind of story's about kemal like he was an leader is BULLSHIT he was an ANTI-ISLAM an freemansonry he is!!
THE FATHER OF THE TURKS IS FATIH SULTAN MEHMET this guy was an faggot!! he was an freemasonry a worker for jew!! his plan was to deleted the ISLAM because ANTI-CHRIST will do that to!! FREEMANSONRY are soldiers of ANTI-CHRIT
he wanted turkey 2 be a republic on its own,its own language n writings..u really dont know what ur saying,He got rid of the fake leaders who gained power using religion as a tool..IM ONLEY WILLIN TO DISCUSS THIS WITH SOMEONE WHO GOT MORE KNOWLEDGE N WISDOM ,instead of thinkin ur right by shoutin childish comments wich arent even true,go read between the lines..i dnt blaime ur ignorency ur just another victim of propaganda..even the fact ur standin for bozkurt proofs it
1961 book by Princeton professor Bernard Lewis - " The emergence of modern Turkey" - on page 356 - ".... Terrible Holocaust of 1915when 1.5 million Armenians perished..."
This clearly shows he is or used to be a believer of the Armenian genocide. So whether he changed his mind for financial or whatever reason shouldn't disqualify him fully about everything he says....if this were so then he wouldn't be teaching at PRINCETON.
What you are trying to say is that if he is incorrect about the Armenian genocide then he must be incorrect in all he says - and that's just plain stupid. Because all the stuff he says about Turkey is backed up by other scholars, historians and sources.
One has to only ask Peter Balakian about his trip to Turkey (he asked and questioned people about the Armenian genocide) and was almost arrested for it. However, he was left free he was constantly being followed as he said in Public television by the police and military for QUESTIONING and ASKING people about the Armenian genocide. That my dear friend is a totalitarian government. Sorry to give it to you straight...
In France Lewis gets sentenced for denying the Armenian genocide, in Turkey a certain Peter Balakian for recognizing of the genocide LOL
The goverment might be undemocratic in this case, but you as an American have nothing to fear from, so I can't understand why you deny the Armenian genocide
must demented yet turkish at best. lol. haha. I see you need to re-read the position of a scientist with that of an historian.
I DON'T DENY THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AS YOUR TOTALITARIAN COUNTRY (TURKEY) DOES. ALL I HAVE WRITTEN IS THAT I DON'T HOLD A GRUDGE ON "BERNARD LEWIS" WHETHER HE DENIES IT OR NOT. I STILL RESPECT THE MAN FOR BEING TH MOST CREDIBLE ON MIDDLE-EASTERN HISTORY.
OMG you are seriously ill. Historians as previously stated ARE NOT TRADITIONAL SCIENTISTS. They may share common traits, and apply their methods (scientific method) in order to gain answers or assumptions, nevertheless they are not scientists.
Historians are scientists, you can deny it the whole day like you deny the Armenian genocide, it is what it is. They are not "traditional scientists" but nevertheless they also are scientists, to be exact the unbiased and the reliable historians. Guess it isn't applicable to Lewis in some points LOL
You must demented yet turkish at best. lol. haha. I see you need to re-read the position of a scientist with that of an historian.
I DON'T DENY THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AS YOUR TOTALITARIAN COUNTRY (TURKEY) DOES. ALL I HAVE WRITTEN IS THAT I DON'T HOLD A GRUDGE ON "BERNARD LEWIS" WHETHER HE DENIES IT OR NOT. I STILL RESPECT THE MAN FOR BEING TH MOST CREDIBLE ON MIDDLE-EASTERN HISTORY.
Bernard Lewis was fined one franc by a French court in a civil proceeding for DENYING THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE in a November 1993 Le Monde article. Lewis's position was that while mass murders did occur, he did not believe there was sufficient evidence to conclude it was government-sponsored, ordered or controlled and therefore did not constitute a genocide. The court stated that "by concealing elements contrary to his opinion, he neglected his duties of objectivity and prudence"
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Wikipedia is an unreliable source for academia. To say that Lewis was "convicted" in a French court without mentioning that his "punishment" was a fine of two Francs rather overstates the severity with which the quirky French legal system treated his analysis. Let's drop the hysteria, shall we? The interview is available, and one is free to read it for oneself.
Of course Wikipedia is an unreliable source LOL Thats shameless, Lewis has been sentenced for corruption of historical facts, its doesn't matter how you gonna interpret this. As a matter of fact Lewis is a famous denier of the Armenian genocide. Interview is available, backgrounds of Lewis conviction also are available. No matter how you want to pervert the facts
1961 book by Princeton professor Bernard Lewis - " The emergence of modern Turkey" - on page 356 - ".... Terrible Holocaust of 1915 when 1.5 million Armenians perished..."
After Princeton Chair prof. Heath Lowry received a grant of $750.000 from Republic of Turkey - Bernard Lewis turned into Armenian Holocaust denier
Good that you accept that Lewis is and unreliable and corrupt historian. Better late than never. So this person is the trustworthiest source of your "arguments". That gives a deep insight.
I have not concluded him unbiased on what I said regarding Turkey. If he indeed denies the Armenian genocide that's on him. Bernard Lewis is credible and famous when it comes to Middle-Eastern history and for that I tip my hat.
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To whom it may concern:
Lewis has NEVER denied the genocide of Armenians by the Turks at the beginning of the last century. Quite the opposite: in his history of modern Turkey, he gives the number of slaughtered Armenians as about 1.5 million--hardly a denial. What he said in his controversial "Le Monde" interview was that there was no evidence that the massacres represented an OFFICIAL POLICY of the Turkish government. Quite a big difference.
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The Ottoman Empire may have not imposed Islam; however, it sure GAVE incentives to be Muslim by converting all the flamboyant churches into Mosques as well as making them free from taxis and second-class citizenship if Christians would convert to Islam. Also, suppressing any party in Turkey nowadays shall only bring the demise of Turkey of its so-called secularism it claims to have - more like totalitarian secularity.
My family is part Muslim part christain by choice and freedom to believe and choose, my grandfathers were stolen children from the ex Yugoslavia, secularism must be protected even if 99% of turks are moderate muslims. It must be.
Turkey is in the G20,part of nato since the 50s, the ak just sees an oportunity to gain votes from religeis people, The ottoman empire did not empose Islam on the Yugoslav people, thats why there are so many Christians in the ex empire, Jews were saved from burning, he was a very realistic person seeing the future, warning against the maniac Hitler, protecting secular state and religeins as seperate, so many people, Celts, Greeks, Turks, Russians, slavs make up Turkey.LonglivetheSecularREPUBLIC.
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The Ottoman Empire may have not imposed Islam, however, it sure GAVE incentives to be Muslim. Surpressing any party in Turkey shall only bring the demise of Turkey of the so-called secularism in place - more like totalitarian secularity. Jews under the Ottoman Empire became backward and inefficient as they were under Christian lands.
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Excerpt from "What Went Wrong" by Benard Lewis
"For a while in the late fifteenth and more especially in the sixteenth cneturies, Jewish refugees from Europe played a minor but unimportant role in Ottoman society - bringing European economics, technical, and medical skills, and ocassionally serving in diplomatic missions.
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But with the cessation of Jewish immigration from Europe this virtually came to an end. Those who came from Europe had brought useful skills and knowledge; their locally-born descendants lackes these advantages, their role was correspondingly diminished."
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Yeah - they were. However, their descendants lacked their father's or grandfather's skills or knowledge; so this valuable support for modernization eventually disappeared. Plus with every sultan came new rules and restrictions on European ways and technology. etc.
p.ss. I suggest you read "What Went Wrong" by Bernard Lewis. It'll make you rethink of what I wrote as being biased and unobjective.
You always refer to Bernard Lewis, someone that is denying the Armenian Genocide. Many respectable historians like Pierre Vidal-Naquet, Albert Memmi and Alain Finkielkraut criticize him. According to Edward Said, Lewis presentation of the Orient is biased and is characterized by attributions. Other scientists like S.M. Stern criticize that Lewis is publishing the same theses in various publications for years, without considering sufficiently the scientific debate.
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Benard Lewis is the most qualified to critique the Middle-East of all of those Europeans and Turk you mentioned. In academia crticism is inevitable. Lewis' take on the Middle-East is not biased. Maybe he's biased in your eyes and to other Turks who see his writtings as heresy to the Turkish Republic and Ottoman history.
p.ss. There's no need to be scientific about a country's historical past, so why mentioned S.M. Stern? Ridiculous.
There was no Turk between those I mentioned. And there is no proof that those I mentioned are less qualified than Lewis about the M. East. You talk like Lewis is beyond all blame and those respectable historians have no right to criticize him. Just because some of his views fit to your biased opinion about Turks. THIS is ridiculous.
I guess in the eyes of nationalistic Turks he must be a hero for his denial of the Armenian genocide, but to me some of his views simply are biased.
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As "wtayz" wrote:
"Bernard Lewis has NEVER denied the genocide of Armenians by the Turks at the beginning of the last century. Quite the opposite: in his history of modern Turkey, he gives the number of slaughtered Armenians as about 1.5 million--hardly a denial. What he said in his controversial "Le Monde" interview was that there was no evidence that the massacres represented an OFFICIAL POLICY of the Turkish government. Quite a big difference."
You lie with your second nick wtayz. BERNARD LEWIS DENIES THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AND HE WAS ON TRIAL FOR THAT IN FRANCE. He gives a much smaller number of Armenians that have been killed and died during the deportations, and he DOES NOT use the word "genocide" but massacres. THIS is a big diiference
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Typical turk - always think it's the same person. Have fun with that by the way. Anyhow according to, wtayz, Bernard Lewis said 1.5 millon people in "Le Monde" and said it had no offical policy in the Ottoman Empire. Plus why are you bringing the ARMENIAN genocide into the picture????
I dont think so, I know that wtayz is your second nick. 1,5 million or less, there's a huge difference in declaring these incidents as "massacres" or "genocide". You deny the genocide, so shame on you.
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The Republic of Turkey won't even declare it as a massacre. lmfao. The point of the matter is that Bernard Lewis said 1.5 million people - hardly a denial. He just said the Ottoman government never made it official, as a policy. So why don't you quite your whinning.
1995 Bernard Lewis has been sentenced for denying the Armenian genocide and corruption of historical facts in Paris. Repeating your lies doesn't let them become truer
In many Christian lands there were extreme aversions against Jews, they were seen as "murderers of Jesus" and have been bullied and hated in every part of the society. That's why so many Jews from Christian lands came to Ottoman regions like Bosnia, Salonika, Istanbul and Anatolia. Today one of the richest men in Turkey is the Jew Ishak Alaton. And he personally says that he doesn't see any anti-Semitic or xenophobic tendencies in the Turkish society. Unlike in Christian Greece e.g.
According to Dr. Moses Altsech anti-Semitism in Greece occurs not only among extreme rightists and leftists. It is embedded in Greek mainstream society and manifests itself in religious contexts, education, politics and the media. Jews are often not perceived as true Greeks, although many families have lived there since the 15th century.
Greek mainstream media regularly uses the terms "genocide," "Holocaust" and the names of concentration camps drawing a parallel between Nazi Germany and Israel today. In this, Greece is more similar to Syria and Iran than to the Western world.
You might think that Bernard Lewis knows it all, but as you can see the truth sometimes doesn't go with that what you want. Would like to know what your Armenian "friends" would say about Lewis views about the "Armenian genocide".
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Haha. And let me guess Turkey categorizes terms like "genocide" for the Armenians? Hell no. So what if Bernard Lewis doesn't agree with the Armenian genocide, he's just one man. Don't compare one man with ONE whole country like Turkey who denies it completely without any creduble response. You keep mentioning Greece and it's politics as to say I may be Greek but as a result I am not. I'm American.
No the Turkish government denies the Armenian genocide, but not every Turk does this, so me.
When it comes to Lewis views about the Armenian genocide, he's just "one man". But the views of this "one man" about Jews in the Ottoman Empire are beyond any doubt. That sounds dishonest and hypocritical to me.
I didn't suggest that you are a Greek, the situation of Jews in Greece is an example how it is to live for Jews in a Christian society like Greece.
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The Turkish governent prohibits the teaching of the genocide in academia. Just like their predecessor "the Ottoman Empire". You and a few others may see it differently, however, you guys wouldn't publicly say it outload or you would be jailed, fined or even killed just like a totalitarian government would do. Remember: you brought up the Armenian genocide as to pin Lewis as more biased but 'wtayz' clearly cleared up that charge you said.
There are many people in Turkey saying that bluntly. You may wish that they get jailed for this but I must disappoint you. Im speaking from experince.
Denying the Armenian Genocide is like denying the Holocaust, you do that, Lewis does that, and he was many times on trial because of that.
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See, now you are just denying the very fundamental principles of your country. Also known as "offending turkishness". lol. In Turkey you would get fined or jailed if you started to ask or question people about the Armenian genocide. The military will literally interrogate you just for the aforementioned.
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I am guessing you're just another patriotic Jewish-loving American. But the reality is that the Jews are no better then the Palestinians. If Jews are not recognized in Greece as true Greeks (as you claim) then maybe it's perhaps because they already have made their true home in Israel since the
last year the painter hosted in this video was stabbed and hardly wounded by an islamist millitant."the ataturk tought association" members and many more kemalists detained two years ago and they are in custody since then.they were accused of planning a coup d'etat against the government.any realistic evident haven't found yet but they still keep them in jails.ataturk's image and sculptures are everywhere except the ruling party's ideology. this is a counter-revolution.
aporia82 6 months ago
WE LOVE ATATÜRK.
necocantokat 7 months ago
Turkish people should never forget that without Ataturk they would, right now, be just like Iraq and Afganistan.
silverseason 10 months ago
Long live Atheism. Say NO to all sick cults...say NO to religion.
silverseason 10 months ago 2
World peace can only ever be achieved when religion is banned.
I laugh at all religions just the same way you lot all laugh at witchcraft, voodoo etc
They are all the same...just a sick controlling cults.
silverseason 10 months ago
@silverseason No peace in Communist Russia and Mao's China was there?...
gothless 9 months ago
The root of all evil is not money...it is RELIGION.
Al Jazeera is and always will be propoganda TV for Islam.
silverseason 10 months ago
Ataturk was the greatest ever soldier and politician that has ever lived. Turkish people are rightly proud of him. He saved them from a terrifying fate at the hands of just about everyone.
silverseason 10 months ago
HE WAS ATRUE SATAN HE WILL BE TASTING THE HELL FIRE WAITS FOR HIS SHITY MUNAFIQ FOLLOWERS! SHIT U KAMALIST BASTARDS GO TO HELL!
sabihnabih 10 months ago
There is nationalism everywhere and this should be viewed a component of pluralism in every society. Nationalism is everywhere - let it be in the USA, Britain, Ireland or Russia or somewhere else.
Faridlifarid 10 months ago
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Mustafass was an alcoholic drunk. He personaly organized the destruction of all the Christian populations of Anatolia. He raped Christian women, blazed innocent children in the fire and killed their parents and grantparents. He stolen everything from them including their lives. Then he simply took their place calling himself a secular leader. That´s why he drunk so much to forgett his crimes against humanity, but Gods judgment finaly cought up with him, gave him psoriasis of the lever. The end!
johnybrawos 11 months ago
RTE ve Apo Atatürk'le ayni klibe yakismaz.Ata'miza hakaret olarak görüyorum bunu.
yaoldugun 11 months ago
Want to know about Turks?
Ask their neighbours: the Kurds, the Greeks, Cypriotes, the Bulgarians, the Armenians, etc.
Ask the ppl who host them in their countries, England, Germany, Holland, etc.
You'll get one answer: parasites who, as a culture, behave like cancer and are wanted NOWHERE!
Or ask the old Mongols, from which tribe they descend: Genghis Khan called them "dogs" and "scum" and threw them out!
fenriz218 1 year ago 9
@fenriz218 kurds neighbours??) kurds doenst exist till the seljuks turks invated in persian and eastern anatolia..greeks?? who are they ?? some folk refer to homer and the old gods? cypriots?? --they are in the EU while their island dont belong to the european area..thats why apparently turkey dont belong to EU...bulgaria?? a mix folk of an old turkic tribe (bolgar turks) with slavic tribes..genhis khan had turkic and mongol warriors in his army just he wasnt muslim and fought against everybody
britishbulldog100 7 months ago
@fenriz218 are you fucked or raped by a TURK? i'm from belgium and 1of the 2 belgians are going for vacation to Turkey. holland england the same, and Germans they second land is Turkey... they have even a german village in antalya... Kurds are not our neighbours :D greeks,armenians,bulgarians cypriots lived 600 years under Turkish control and they are at life this times because we where always peacefull. i'm a tatar my granthfathers wher wariors of CENGIZ KHAN! and we are olso from TURKIC tribes
tatar069 7 months ago
we need ottoman empire again.!!!kemalists are tomorow,ottomans are the future!
xxMohTiLaZxx 1 year ago
Turkey needs islam, that way its fall will be certain as a NON ARAB Nation. Arabic if imposed and arabsisation takes place Arabs of Arabia can again be their boss. Also it serves western interests where they can keep the turks out of EU. Also black africans who have a booming population can arrive in turkey marrying and mixing in the turkish society as a lot of Black muslims can feel at home for islamic brotherhood. Also Islam will truly bring Mongols to power in turkeye Kurds are European.
mishrik 1 year ago
@mishrik Friend, Turks existed before Islam as well and thrived. Tengriists before Islam, Turkic people established one of the biggest empires before without Islam intervening that is to date the largest single region empire.
A lot of powerful and miraculous things happened before Islam came. Ataturk gave his life for the Turkish life his people enjoy today; which is an envy t a lot of unstable oil-dependent Arab theocracies. Religion will only take Turkey back to the ashes of Ottoman Empire.
Saffronwing1 1 year ago
@Saffronwing1 BLACK AFRICANS USE GREECE TO TRANSIT INTO EUROPE, INSTEAD BLACK MOSLEMS CAN ENTER TURKEY AND AS MOSLEMS CAN ASSIMILATE ALSO CAN RULE TURKEY AS A CALIPHATE.
mishrik 1 year ago
Its typical for Arabs, you betrayed us everytime, erlier Ottoman time with Lauwrence prince of arabia and after that they sold your Country to the Jews and now you pay for it...
But the Turks forgive that and try to stop this Genocide on your arab people there
king36er 1 year ago
Its typical for Arabs, you betrayed us everytime, erlier Ottoman time with Lauwrence prince of arabia and after that they sold your Country to the Israelis and now you pay for it...
But the turks forgive that and try to stop this Genocide on arab people there
king36er 1 year ago
@king36er You Turks are independent race and clan of people from Central Asia and you were there before Islam. Don't make the same mistake that almost destroyed your civilization had it not been for Ataturk. Islam became a means of Arabic imperialism in your country and you were denied knowledge and technology which only Ataturk and Kemalist modern thinking brought in.
Today Turkish economy is stronger than European recession and this was mainly because ot Kemalism that transformed your land.
Saffronwing1 1 year ago
Ho an I forgot to mention ,, the Armenian (Sevan Nisanyan) talking 80% of the time, about how evil Turks are. Is the same guy who beat his whife an broke a jar on her head, in reaction to that he was fired from the newspaper he worked in and his wife devorced him ofcourse ...
Yeah that seems like the PERFECT man to ask about M.K. Ataturk, you keep disgusting me Aljezeera, shame on you !!
3choBlast3r 1 year ago
@3choBlast3r @3choBlast3r My Turkish friend, Al Jazeera is just a tool to spread Arab imperialism a.k.a Islam around the world again. The modern Turkish script change was most resented by Arabs because they could not dominate on Turkey's mindset as a "divine land". You must remember that you were there proud and strong as non-muslims as well. Be proud of your Turkic origin rather than Islam which isn't yours. Islam is a tool used to gain dominance over you.
Regards from India.
Saffronwing1 1 year ago
Be ashamed of you self Aljazeera, you can act like you're just showing Ataturks legacy, but you're clearly trying to demonize his image.
why not walk the Streets and ask the people instead of a Communist Kurd who supports a Terrorist seperatists anti Turkish organization (pkk) and an "Turkish Armenian" who does nothing else than demonize Turks and Muslims and believes Christians and Armenians to be superior to the rest and at the same times condemns Turkish Nationalism
It's SICK
3choBlast3r 1 year ago
Also how dare you accuse the "majority" of our kurdish citizens as anti Kemalist and PKK supporters, only the Kurd talking Tarik Ziya Akinci is a Terrorist supporting pig. I can't stand this propaganda, And why the hell does an Anti-Turk Armenian guy talk for most of the documentary? Also Orhan Pamuk ONLY got his nobel prize for accepting 1915 as a Genocide, has anyone EVER read his books .. I did, and believe me he is one of the worst writers in the world.
Aljezeera plays dirty games!!
3choBlast3r 1 year ago
Aljazeera you're making me sick ... I know you love to critize Turkey and Ataturk because it doens't want to "Arabize" but why ...
Why the hell are you interviewing Sevan Nisanyan whom isn't Turkish but Armenian, calls 90% of the population a "kemalist cult" and says Muslims can never be democratic or secualr (that's nothing more than fascism)??? He said that in the first part, now suddenly we're all "fundementalists" because we have pride in our flag?
What's this for BS??
3choBlast3r 1 year ago
Ataturk e dil uzatan gerici yobazlara ders olsun;
Isgaldaki hali sakin unutma Ataturk'e dil uzatman gereksiz
Sen anandan yine dogardin amma baban kim olurdu bilemezdin serefsiz.
Neyzen Teyfik
dellboy5811 1 year ago
hay senin ataturkunu ..bide turklerin babasiymis
nz8442 1 year ago
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nz8442 1 year ago
he was a great man.. he was a true muslim!
SFRYugo 1 year ago
Turkey rages with a power struggle between two groups of different geographies, neither of which holds a vision of the future relevant to the political geography of the present.
JIMY45GR 1 year ago
en büyük TÜRK ATATÜRK!!!..
30062004se 1 year ago
Fuck Europe and his democracy and human rights, fuck america and his "rights" to attack other countries fuck the araps and their false knowledge of religion.
Aslnatepe11 1 year ago
What do you expect from an arabic tv station.They are not going to praise turks even if they are right. The biggest mistake the turks made was supporting the arabs for hundreds of years in the name of religion. What you don't understand we don't need your religion. The Turks were still a great nation before islam and always will be. Ataturk was a genius like Einstein but in a different perspective.How many people can you show me equal to him in greatness. We still love him!
dellboy5811 1 year ago
To all "TURKS":
The "War of Independence" is not over ! The Fight against those filthy Islamists and Imperialists goes on !
IdelUralState 1 year ago
Sonunda da Atatürk'ün fikirlerini aşın artık demiş şerefsizler. Tabi işlerine gelmiyo. Sevr anlaşmasıyla bölemediler ülkeyi, şimdi milleti Atatürk'ün fikirlerinden soğutup bölmeye çalışıyolar.
yaw bide big brotherla karşılaştırmışlar Atatürk'ü. iyi gibi görünüp sinsi sinsi vermişler vermek istedikleri mesajı.
didntitrain1 1 year ago
Ataturk = autocratic
Young Turks = oligarchic
Ottoman Empire = theocratic
Djmemez 1 year ago
NE MUTLU TÜRKÜM DIYENE
TurkicARYAN 1 year ago
Atatürk=Democratic
36Alem 1 year ago
Ataturk's image is everywhere in Turkey. And he is in a Ataturk's sculpture factory. lol. duuh.
miregrc 1 year ago
Can you say propaganda.
Notice those attacking this beautiful country and never listen to their opinions again.
070388OG 1 year ago
this is al jazeera's propaganda against Turkey's existing democracy and ecularism.
oGNaC 2 years ago 2
Al Jazeera criticizing Turkey's secularism. Why am I not surprised?
Qazaq 2 years ago 4
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Atatürk did not abolish Islam from Turkey.
It abolished religion from Politics.
And that was the right thing to do.
gsboss7 2 years ago 6
Ataturk might as well have abolished Islam from Turkey altogether...it is still a nuisance to the Military State in which has to intervene periodically. I think his next step was to abolish it, as he was an autocrat.
Djmemez 2 years ago
what his next step was that you cannot know.
like i said he abolished religion from politics.
Why would you say he abolished Islam from Turkey? The Ezan is still going and at least 85% of Turkey is muslim including me so why would you say that?
gsboss7 2 years ago
He probably would have abolished Islam altogether as it was and is a nuisance to the Military State, but this would have been a radical move by Ataturk and people would have rebelled. So he did the NEXT best thing...he eliminated many of the components of Islam. By Turkey becoming Secular it left a socioreligious quagmire...because you cannot take Islam out of the Turkish people, therefore this is why some Turkish people are often challenging the State with Islamic values, morals or doctrine.
Djmemez 2 years ago
like i asked, Why do u think Atatürk would do that?
gsboss7 2 years ago
he dissliked islam, ezan was in the past only speaking in turkish while ezan is supposed to be arabic, thanks to akp we gain our orginallity back...ataturk was a atheist and was always against muslims, the imams in turkey are not allowed to teach quran to kids...but fortunately since his death the muslim could regain their origin back
12081985 1 year ago
Bullshit
gsboss7 1 year ago
these other two directions of islam is rarely found in other muslim countries(rather, it exists underground, opressed)
A kalifat cant exist in a modern state as it did 500 years ago. its a department now and redefines and interprets islam back and forth to develop, nothing to remark on actually. The kurdish question is simple logics. they were treated bad from the beginning and investment rarely makes its way towards the kurdish dominated areas.
Oxa1 2 years ago
Kemalism is something Dynamic. Ataturk realized that the turkish state must change and improve. The abolishment of the kalifat and sultanat cant possibly be an hostile act towards muslims(number of muslims and turks in turkey actually rose after the fall of ottoman empire in the anatolian areas) Islam is a religion that is personal and not something you can force on to ppl.i see it as a favour to muslims in turkey to form our own religion.Sufism and alewism are to other important paths of islam
Oxa1 2 years ago
Nisanyan makes a faulty remark. the one about discussing ataturk- i am a turk living in sweden. I love discussing ataturk, politisc etc with strangers on streets.
One must make clear the fact, which was brought up in the story here, that the implementation of turkishness in the 50s has changed the views towards citizens.
i hate the fact that people tend to think Kemalism is something static.Ataturk created a state which must look towards the greatest of civilizations.
Oxa1 2 years ago 2
Nisanyan was a low person who threw human feces on his wife and he is trying to do the same thing on Atatürk and the Turkish Republic...
equanimity 2 years ago 2
My mistake, the name is Nisanyan, which is still an Armenian name...
Ekimoglu 2 years ago
It is important for those watching this video to understand that the guy who appears from time to time with the glasses and bald head is obviously biased.
Foreigners might not notice this, his 'views' towards secularism in Turkey and nationalism are all what we could consider 'anti-Turkish'.
Now there are Armenian-Turks who aren't anti-Turkish, I don't want to be stereotypical, but this guy is an Armenian-Turk who is anti-Turkish (last name is Samaryan, Armenian name).
Ekimoglu 2 years ago 2
oi all ov u sud shut ur mouths u fuckn illuminati piece of pigs, da world ur livin is shit whearas if ATATURK wz ere TURKEY will be da best counttry inda world. and non of u english, germans etc know becuase ur not turkish, ATATURK is very important to us, he saved us from war, and never killed alevi im alevi turkish and in cem evi alevi puts ataturks images, he only killed people who betrayed turkey like arabs, sum kurds, armeni brainwashed by english and globally!
TurkishGaming 2 years ago
If Hitler had won WW2 He would be regarded like Ataturk is now and Churchill would be like Hitler.
It's about personality cults. Ataturk made Turkey Secular but the people filled the Vacuum with Ataturk. He is a new Religion complete with Idol worship.
But I don't think it can go on much longer. Young people must see through this. It's a battle between the Islamists and the Kemalists..and a modern Turkey in the EU.
fjt108 2 years ago
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he killed lots of people, armenier, kurdish and zazas. He killed in the year of 1938 in Tünceli (DERSIM before) 80.000 people because there are not turkisch. Hitler wrote Atatürk that he is idol for him. Just think the rest yourself......
seyitriza1938 2 years ago
@seyitriza1938: Hello there muslim extremist fool; do you know what war means?
tzlawina 2 years ago
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ataturk worship is idolatry
HOW OH HOW can a "nation" like Turkey claim to be western when they worship a man like an Emperor, similar to the China and Japan of the past?
Turkey will NEVER be western. It is all cosmetic. They are no different than Dubai.
anonj08 2 years ago
worshipping an idol
blackhawck70 2 years ago
See what I mean from comments below. Many Turks are too Brainwashed to be civilised.
It's still a Military/Police state. Like Fascist Gernany was. The Govt and many people are 50 years behind the rest of Europe.
They lock people for speaking out.
fjt108 2 years ago
Similar like Greece, in Greece people get jailed for talking about a Turkish minority, that in fact exists there.
All minorities are denied, and they practice a very aggressive politics of assimilation.
Obviously every nation based on extreme nationalism acts this way.
DonJuan864898741 2 years ago
I didn't know that. I'm surprised they are in EU then. In UK you are more likely to be prosecuted for making racist insults than insulting the Queen or Govt, We have many minorities here and we even give state Benefits to Supporters and Preachers of Terrorism.
fjt108 2 years ago
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DonJuan864898741 2 years ago
Nothing would surprise me about the UK Govt,
But can you elaborate on this?
Do you mean they are supporting Taliban camps or others?
Every few days British soldiers are killed there. Is the UK Govt behind this? I would not be surprised...Pls ..Explain.
fjt108 2 years ago
fjt108 are you the one deciding if Turkye is going to join the European Union LMAO. When Turkye joins the EU and your kurdistan trash stays ignored go kill yourself LMAO.
msmkurt 2 years ago
1i am a proud TÜRKE
2 We have honorable
3 we are OSMANEN
and we are MUSLIMS elhamdurillah
dont forget this HA HA HA
ertugrulgazip 2 years ago
There was no country called Turkey before Ataturk. England, France and Germany are ancient names as is Kurdistan.
fjt108 2 years ago
pity do you now the history from usa,actuallythe usa must call indiana or land of apache
ertugrulgazip 2 years ago
He called the whole country including Anatolia, Turkey. You would be in the EU by now if not for your War and Oppression of Kurds. you need to admit Armenian Genocide and stop prosecuting writers for insulting Turkishness.
fjt108 2 years ago
The ancient land called England is part of the United Kingdom, It;s also called Britain another ancient name.
The point is Ataturk completely ignored other ethnic races, Kurds, Alevis, Armenians, Greeks and chose one group Turks. If he had given the Kurds land. Western ''Turkey'' would have progressed more rapidly. The war has held you back.
fjt108 2 years ago
Kemalism makes Turkey look Brainwashed, Backward and Intolerant to Freedom of Speech. They have a long way to before they are ready for EU membership,
fjt108 2 years ago
It keeps some Turks in work but its primative Idol worship...Turks are not so Islamic then.
But go on and make some money from his image....Like Marylon, Che, James Dean.....etc
fjt108 2 years ago
Turkey must change it's name to reflect it's multi ethnic identity.
Ataturks big Mistake was to call the country Turkey....that was a turkey..
It should the United States of Anatolia...or something like that.
fjt108 2 years ago
What about countries such as England, France, Germany? Should they change their name to reflect it`s multi ethnic identity?
And where did you get the idea that Ataturk named Anatolia Turkey?
cengzhan 2 years ago
Churchill was a drunken, racist.
He said that that India was a priimative country that could never rule itself,
Ataturk had a similar attitude to Kurds, Alevis and Armenians.
As Hitler did to Jews.
They are are all similar...Racist, Fascist, Meglomaniacs.
fjt108 2 years ago
i live for ataturk i die for ataturk
my god is ataturk my life is ataturk
totalerTURK 2 years ago
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Mustafa kemal is a kaffir and he is burning in hell.
I dont see how how you people can whorship some homosexual idiot. Beton kemala selamlar, heykeli dikilenin kafasina kus sicarmis :D
tyenuj 2 years ago
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i dont like ataturk
he wasnt muslim
celall58g 2 years ago
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Mustafa Kamal was an English agent. He was leading the Turkish Army in Palastine and did a deal with the British to leave the Plastine land for them and they will make him leader of modern Turkey. By this way Palastine goes to the jows. This is facts about Ataturk that most turkish show him respect. for sure, He is in the Hell now
EngBatMan2010 2 years ago
Maybe Ataturk was the main person on drawing out occupiers but he was the nationalist who created the word "Turk" against the words "Ottoman" and "Muslim" and then started Turkish nationalism. He was not Muslim and died from alcohol. Anyway he is not God, ppl have to know that.
goldenpark2009 2 years ago
ataturk was not a muslim...
Thats a great mistake to say this!!!
Tokky86 2 years ago
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fuck the europien union we dont need you mother fuchers
anilukav 2 years ago 12
evet cok dogru söyledin
hansi4966 1 year ago
Ataturk did nothing for Kurds...Turkey is Anatolia.....That was his big mistake.
He left a legacy of dispute....
fjt108 2 years ago
So sad for Turkish....Like Germans worshipping Hitler.
or UK and Churchill...
If you want to join EU forget Ataturk and move on.
He did some good for Turkey, but there is more if you give up the Brainwashing.
Think Eurishess not Turkishness...Try to stay out of jail tho
fjt108 2 years ago
how dare u call churchill a faciest u left wing dipshit
pats1592 2 years ago
wahahaha
Yerkesh 2 years ago
INDIA NEED A MAN LIKE ATTA TURK, who can bring secularism and destroy the cast, tribe, ethnie etc
BRRUUUAAHH 2 years ago 2
Ataturk Is my GOD. He is the greatest man ever ever Lived. You must study HISTORY if you want to know him. (peace be upon him). AMIN.
MARINVIEW 2 years ago
ataturk was great man..
i love turkey and turkish people..
best muslims in the world.
londonTUBE06 2 years ago 4
'ataturk' was a filth, but the fault is really on the people for accepting his dirty policies
mindakhilikaraki 2 years ago
Skanderberg won a battle and a bit time, but at least the Ottomans owned Albania 400 years. The albans waited for help from other christian kingdoms, but they lleft the Albans allone. Sounds similar to the things which happens now :).
Athlea Christi Skanderberg will not safe them. Albania will not an EU Member, like Turkey :).
devrimhan1971 2 years ago
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tomsokoli 2 years ago
Scanderbeg cant live long cause he's already in hell, you will follow him
ItsFreaky 2 years ago 4
Ataturk WAS A GREAT MAN!
Allah Yir7amo! Any things against Islam or attacking Islam itself came AFTER ATATURK! What ATaturk attacked was DOGMAS and traditional things that were ATTACHED to Islam but were really un-Islamic! In the end he loved his country and his people...and he protected turks from turning towards the dangerous Salafi Wahabi way of Some Muslims we today, which is actually Intolerant, full of hate and UN ISLAMIC!
-Misir-
tarek307 3 years ago
what an ignorant comment, hit the books kid.
mindakhilikaraki 2 years ago
@tarek307
You lie, Mustafa Kamal was an enemy of Islam
DonJuan864898741 1 year ago 4
@DonJuan864898741 i dont care he saved my country do you think we could save our country by siting at home and preying? fuck off
sa4ir 1 year ago
@DonJuan864898741
YOU TALK BULLSHIT!!!
king36er 1 year ago
@king36er Go get some lecture about history ... u need it badly
pianoomg 6 months ago
kenan evrenin a,q
YASASIN BAGIMSIZ TURKIYE, YASASIN DEMOKRASI
DEVRIMCI2007 3 years ago
Ataturk was a hero greedings,,,
albob1o2 3 years ago
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk smartest commando ever!!!!
turkiye turkiye turkiye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TurkishWarriorking 3 years ago
but he was a jew.... keep sleeping
Thiseas1974 3 years ago
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Excerpt from "What Went Wrong" by Benard Lewis. Page 28-29
"For a while in the late fifteenth and more especially in the sixteenth cneturies, Jewish refugees from Europe played a minor but unimportant role in Ottoman society - bringing European economics, technical, and medical skills, and ocassionally serving in diplomatic missions.
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Djmemez 3 years ago
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But with the cessation of Jewish immigration from Europe this virtually came to an end. Those who came from Europe had brought useful skills and knowledge; their locally-born descendants lackes these advantages, their role was correspondingly diminished."
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Djmemez 3 years ago
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One has to only ask Peter Balakian about his trip to Turkey in which he would asked and questioned people about the Armenian genocide and was almost arrested for it - he had to hire kurds to do his own documentary in Turkey - he was set free but was constantly being monitored as he said in Public television {PBS} by the police and military for QUESTIONING and ASKING people about the Armenian genocide. That my dear friend is a totalitarian government. Sorry to give it to you straight...
Djmemez 3 years ago
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What you are trying to say is that if he is incorrect about the Armenian genocide then he must be incorrect in all he says - and that's just plain stupid. Because all the stuff he says about Turkey is backed up by other scholars, historians and sources.
Djmemez 3 years ago
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1961 book by Princeton professor Bernard Lewis - " The emergence of modern Turkey" - on page 356 - ".... Terrible Holocaust of 1915when 1.5 million Armenians perished..."
This clearly shows he is or used to be a believer of the Armenian genocide. So whether he changed his mind for financial or whatever reason shouldn't disqualify him fully about everything he says....if this were so then he wouldn't be teaching at PRINCETON.
Djmemez 3 years ago
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And look all that people arround that table!! they are modern (non turkish people) a TURK is born SOLDIER and beliefers,, in the OTTOMAN time the TURKS where smart clever and they prayed 5 time at day!! since kemal came everything change!! look all that faces they are not TURKS!! they all FAKE!! all that kind of story's about kemal like he was an leader is BULLSHIT he was an ANTI-ISLAM an freemansonry he is!!
bozkurtlaz61 3 years ago
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THE FATHER OF THE TURKS IS FATIH SULTAN MEHMET this guy was an faggot!! he was an freemasonry a worker for jew!! his plan was to deleted the ISLAM because ANTI-CHRIST will do that to!! FREEMANSONRY are soldiers of ANTI-CHRIT
bozkurtlaz61 3 years ago
SIKTIR u dont know shit!
he wanted turkey 2 be a republic on its own,its own language n writings..u really dont know what ur saying,He got rid of the fake leaders who gained power using religion as a tool..IM ONLEY WILLIN TO DISCUSS THIS WITH SOMEONE WHO GOT MORE KNOWLEDGE N WISDOM ,instead of thinkin ur right by shoutin childish comments wich arent even true,go read between the lines..i dnt blaime ur ignorency ur just another victim of propaganda..even the fact ur standin for bozkurt proofs it
RebelWithACauze 3 years ago
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1961 book by Princeton professor Bernard Lewis - " The emergence of modern Turkey" - on page 356 - ".... Terrible Holocaust of 1915when 1.5 million Armenians perished..."
This clearly shows he is or used to be a believer of the Armenian genocide. So whether he changed his mind for financial or whatever reason shouldn't disqualify him fully about everything he says....if this were so then he wouldn't be teaching at PRINCETON.
Djmemez 3 years ago
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What you are trying to say is that if he is incorrect about the Armenian genocide then he must be incorrect in all he says - and that's just plain stupid. Because all the stuff he says about Turkey is backed up by other scholars, historians and sources.
Djmemez 3 years ago
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One has to only ask Peter Balakian about his trip to Turkey (he asked and questioned people about the Armenian genocide) and was almost arrested for it. However, he was left free he was constantly being followed as he said in Public television by the police and military for QUESTIONING and ASKING people about the Armenian genocide. That my dear friend is a totalitarian government. Sorry to give it to you straight...
Djmemez 3 years ago
In France Lewis gets sentenced for denying the Armenian genocide, in Turkey a certain Peter Balakian for recognizing of the genocide LOL
The goverment might be undemocratic in this case, but you as an American have nothing to fear from, so I can't understand why you deny the Armenian genocide
ItsFreaky 3 years ago
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must demented yet turkish at best. lol. haha. I see you need to re-read the position of a scientist with that of an historian.
I DON'T DENY THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AS YOUR TOTALITARIAN COUNTRY (TURKEY) DOES. ALL I HAVE WRITTEN IS THAT I DON'T HOLD A GRUDGE ON "BERNARD LEWIS" WHETHER HE DENIES IT OR NOT. I STILL RESPECT THE MAN FOR BEING TH MOST CREDIBLE ON MIDDLE-EASTERN HISTORY.
Djmemez 3 years ago
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OMG you are seriously ill. Historians as previously stated ARE NOT TRADITIONAL SCIENTISTS. They may share common traits, and apply their methods (scientific method) in order to gain answers or assumptions, nevertheless they are not scientists.
Djmemez 3 years ago
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Historians are scientists, you can deny it the whole day like you deny the Armenian genocide, it is what it is. They are not "traditional scientists" but nevertheless they also are scientists, to be exact the unbiased and the reliable historians. Guess it isn't applicable to Lewis in some points LOL
ItsFreaky 3 years ago
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You must demented yet turkish at best. lol. haha. I see you need to re-read the position of a scientist with that of an historian.
I DON'T DENY THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AS YOUR TOTALITARIAN COUNTRY (TURKEY) DOES. ALL I HAVE WRITTEN IS THAT I DON'T HOLD A GRUDGE ON "BERNARD LEWIS" WHETHER HE DENIES IT OR NOT. I STILL RESPECT THE MAN FOR BEING TH MOST CREDIBLE ON MIDDLE-EASTERN HISTORY.
Djmemez 3 years ago
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Wikipedia:
Bernard Lewis was fined one franc by a French court in a civil proceeding for DENYING THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE in a November 1993 Le Monde article. Lewis's position was that while mass murders did occur, he did not believe there was sufficient evidence to conclude it was government-sponsored, ordered or controlled and therefore did not constitute a genocide. The court stated that "by concealing elements contrary to his opinion, he neglected his duties of objectivity and prudence"
ItsFreaky 3 years ago
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Wikipedia is an unreliable source for academia. To say that Lewis was "convicted" in a French court without mentioning that his "punishment" was a fine of two Francs rather overstates the severity with which the quirky French legal system treated his analysis. Let's drop the hysteria, shall we? The interview is available, and one is free to read it for oneself.
Djmemez 3 years ago
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Of course Wikipedia is an unreliable source LOL Thats shameless, Lewis has been sentenced for corruption of historical facts, its doesn't matter how you gonna interpret this. As a matter of fact Lewis is a famous denier of the Armenian genocide. Interview is available, backgrounds of Lewis conviction also are available. No matter how you want to pervert the facts
ItsFreaky 3 years ago
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1961 book by Princeton professor Bernard Lewis - " The emergence of modern Turkey" - on page 356 - ".... Terrible Holocaust of 1915 when 1.5 million Armenians perished..."
After Princeton Chair prof. Heath Lowry received a grant of $750.000 from Republic of Turkey - Bernard Lewis turned into Armenian Holocaust denier
Djmemez 3 years ago
Good that you accept that Lewis is and unreliable and corrupt historian. Better late than never. So this person is the trustworthiest source of your "arguments". That gives a deep insight.
ItsFreaky 3 years ago
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I have not concluded him unbiased on what I said regarding Turkey. If he indeed denies the Armenian genocide that's on him. Bernard Lewis is credible and famous when it comes to Middle-Eastern history and for that I tip my hat.
Djmemez 3 years ago
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To whom it may concern:
Lewis has NEVER denied the genocide of Armenians by the Turks at the beginning of the last century. Quite the opposite: in his history of modern Turkey, he gives the number of slaughtered Armenians as about 1.5 million--hardly a denial. What he said in his controversial "Le Monde" interview was that there was no evidence that the massacres represented an OFFICIAL POLICY of the Turkish government. Quite a big difference.
Wtayz 3 years ago
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(wtayz) Thank you for this statement.
Djmemez 3 years ago
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The Ottoman Empire may have not imposed Islam; however, it sure GAVE incentives to be Muslim by converting all the flamboyant churches into Mosques as well as making them free from taxis and second-class citizenship if Christians would convert to Islam. Also, suppressing any party in Turkey nowadays shall only bring the demise of Turkey of its so-called secularism it claims to have - more like totalitarian secularity.
Wtayz 3 years ago
My family is part Muslim part christain by choice and freedom to believe and choose, my grandfathers were stolen children from the ex Yugoslavia, secularism must be protected even if 99% of turks are moderate muslims. It must be.
jonseldon 3 years ago
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If you call totalitarianism protection, then by all means. But this mala fide grip on Turkey's society won't last for so long. I guarantee it.
Djmemez 3 years ago
Turkey is in the G20,part of nato since the 50s, the ak just sees an oportunity to gain votes from religeis people, The ottoman empire did not empose Islam on the Yugoslav people, thats why there are so many Christians in the ex empire, Jews were saved from burning, he was a very realistic person seeing the future, warning against the maniac Hitler, protecting secular state and religeins as seperate, so many people, Celts, Greeks, Turks, Russians, slavs make up Turkey.LonglivetheSecularREPUBLIC.
jonseldon 3 years ago
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The Ottoman Empire may have not imposed Islam, however, it sure GAVE incentives to be Muslim. Surpressing any party in Turkey shall only bring the demise of Turkey of the so-called secularism in place - more like totalitarian secularity. Jews under the Ottoman Empire became backward and inefficient as they were under Christian lands.
Djmemez 3 years ago
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addendum:
Jews under the Ottoman Empire became backward and inefficient compared to how they were not under Christian lands.
Djmemez 3 years ago
Jews in the Ottoman Empire were valuable support for the "modernization" of the Turkish society.
Your whole comments are biased and unobjective.
ItsFreaky 3 years ago
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Excerpt from "What Went Wrong" by Benard Lewis
"For a while in the late fifteenth and more especially in the sixteenth cneturies, Jewish refugees from Europe played a minor but unimportant role in Ottoman society - bringing European economics, technical, and medical skills, and ocassionally serving in diplomatic missions.
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Djmemez 3 years ago
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But with the cessation of Jewish immigration from Europe this virtually came to an end. Those who came from Europe had brought useful skills and knowledge; their locally-born descendants lackes these advantages, their role was correspondingly diminished."
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Djmemez 3 years ago
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Yeah - they were. However, their descendants lacked their father's or grandfather's skills or knowledge; so this valuable support for modernization eventually disappeared. Plus with every sultan came new rules and restrictions on European ways and technology. etc.
p.ss. I suggest you read "What Went Wrong" by Bernard Lewis. It'll make you rethink of what I wrote as being biased and unobjective.
Djmemez 3 years ago
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You always refer to Bernard Lewis, someone that is denying the Armenian Genocide. Many respectable historians like Pierre Vidal-Naquet, Albert Memmi and Alain Finkielkraut criticize him. According to Edward Said, Lewis presentation of the Orient is biased and is characterized by attributions. Other scientists like S.M. Stern criticize that Lewis is publishing the same theses in various publications for years, without considering sufficiently the scientific debate.
ItsFreaky 3 years ago
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Benard Lewis is the most qualified to critique the Middle-East of all of those Europeans and Turk you mentioned. In academia crticism is inevitable. Lewis' take on the Middle-East is not biased. Maybe he's biased in your eyes and to other Turks who see his writtings as heresy to the Turkish Republic and Ottoman history.
p.ss. There's no need to be scientific about a country's historical past, so why mentioned S.M. Stern? Ridiculous.
Djmemez 3 years ago
There was no Turk between those I mentioned. And there is no proof that those I mentioned are less qualified than Lewis about the M. East. You talk like Lewis is beyond all blame and those respectable historians have no right to criticize him. Just because some of his views fit to your biased opinion about Turks. THIS is ridiculous.
I guess in the eyes of nationalistic Turks he must be a hero for his denial of the Armenian genocide, but to me some of his views simply are biased.
ItsFreaky 3 years ago
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As "wtayz" wrote:
"Bernard Lewis has NEVER denied the genocide of Armenians by the Turks at the beginning of the last century. Quite the opposite: in his history of modern Turkey, he gives the number of slaughtered Armenians as about 1.5 million--hardly a denial. What he said in his controversial "Le Monde" interview was that there was no evidence that the massacres represented an OFFICIAL POLICY of the Turkish government. Quite a big difference."
Djmemez 3 years ago
You lie with your second nick wtayz. BERNARD LEWIS DENIES THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AND HE WAS ON TRIAL FOR THAT IN FRANCE. He gives a much smaller number of Armenians that have been killed and died during the deportations, and he DOES NOT use the word "genocide" but massacres. THIS is a big diiference
ItsFreaky 3 years ago
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Typical turk - always think it's the same person. Have fun with that by the way. Anyhow according to, wtayz, Bernard Lewis said 1.5 millon people in "Le Monde" and said it had no offical policy in the Ottoman Empire. Plus why are you bringing the ARMENIAN genocide into the picture????
Djmemez 3 years ago
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I dont think so, I know that wtayz is your second nick. 1,5 million or less, there's a huge difference in declaring these incidents as "massacres" or "genocide". You deny the genocide, so shame on you.
ItsFreaky 3 years ago
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The Republic of Turkey won't even declare it as a massacre. lmfao. The point of the matter is that Bernard Lewis said 1.5 million people - hardly a denial. He just said the Ottoman government never made it official, as a policy. So why don't you quite your whinning.
Djmemez 3 years ago
1995 Bernard Lewis has been sentenced for denying the Armenian genocide and corruption of historical facts in Paris. Repeating your lies doesn't let them become truer
ItsFreaky 3 years ago
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Bernard Lewis said a controversial statement regarding the Armenian genocide, nonetheless it was not suffice to say that he denied it.
Djmemez 3 years ago
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So he has been sentenced for being completely innocent in this case in France?
ItsFreaky 3 years ago
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In many Christian lands there were extreme aversions against Jews, they were seen as "murderers of Jesus" and have been bullied and hated in every part of the society. That's why so many Jews from Christian lands came to Ottoman regions like Bosnia, Salonika, Istanbul and Anatolia. Today one of the richest men in Turkey is the Jew Ishak Alaton. And he personally says that he doesn't see any anti-Semitic or xenophobic tendencies in the Turkish society. Unlike in Christian Greece e.g.
ItsFreaky 3 years ago
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According to Dr. Moses Altsech anti-Semitism in Greece occurs not only among extreme rightists and leftists. It is embedded in Greek mainstream society and manifests itself in religious contexts, education, politics and the media. Jews are often not perceived as true Greeks, although many families have lived there since the 15th century.
ItsFreaky 3 years ago
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Greek mainstream media regularly uses the terms "genocide," "Holocaust" and the names of concentration camps drawing a parallel between Nazi Germany and Israel today. In this, Greece is more similar to Syria and Iran than to the Western world.
You might think that Bernard Lewis knows it all, but as you can see the truth sometimes doesn't go with that what you want. Would like to know what your Armenian "friends" would say about Lewis views about the "Armenian genocide".
ItsFreaky 3 years ago
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Haha. And let me guess Turkey categorizes terms like "genocide" for the Armenians? Hell no. So what if Bernard Lewis doesn't agree with the Armenian genocide, he's just one man. Don't compare one man with ONE whole country like Turkey who denies it completely without any creduble response. You keep mentioning Greece and it's politics as to say I may be Greek but as a result I am not. I'm American.
Djmemez 3 years ago
No the Turkish government denies the Armenian genocide, but not every Turk does this, so me.
When it comes to Lewis views about the Armenian genocide, he's just "one man". But the views of this "one man" about Jews in the Ottoman Empire are beyond any doubt. That sounds dishonest and hypocritical to me.
I didn't suggest that you are a Greek, the situation of Jews in Greece is an example how it is to live for Jews in a Christian society like Greece.
ItsFreaky 3 years ago
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The Turkish governent prohibits the teaching of the genocide in academia. Just like their predecessor "the Ottoman Empire". You and a few others may see it differently, however, you guys wouldn't publicly say it outload or you would be jailed, fined or even killed just like a totalitarian government would do. Remember: you brought up the Armenian genocide as to pin Lewis as more biased but 'wtayz' clearly cleared up that charge you said.
p.ss. read my previous statement.
Djmemez 3 years ago
There are many people in Turkey saying that bluntly. You may wish that they get jailed for this but I must disappoint you. Im speaking from experince.
Denying the Armenian Genocide is like denying the Holocaust, you do that, Lewis does that, and he was many times on trial because of that.
ItsFreaky 3 years ago
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See, now you are just denying the very fundamental principles of your country. Also known as "offending turkishness". lol. In Turkey you would get fined or jailed if you started to ask or question people about the Armenian genocide. The military will literally interrogate you just for the aforementioned.
Djmemez 3 years ago
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I am guessing you're just another patriotic Jewish-loving American. But the reality is that the Jews are no better then the Palestinians. If Jews are not recognized in Greece as true Greeks (as you claim) then maybe it's perhaps because they already have made their true home in Israel since the
1920's - unofficially. Officially 1948.
Djmemez 3 years ago