this program is leaving shit all over the place!! Come up with a better idea. Please, and cut the cost! They could build a space station with the crap they are leaving behind in space.
The Aurora program started with the concept for the F-19A Spectra Aurora which will be a replacement for the space shuttle - US air force officials and people with SEI clearances have made trips to and from space in these and similar aircraft for the past 30 years. But its highly developed aircraft so it can't be made cheaply. I say scrap NASA and just wing it inside the US air force - 95% of all space related intelligence is brought through the air force anyway. And civilians contribute.
There is no F19. And the F** (stand for fighter) and in your fantasy story its a ship that can reach LEO but its a fighter jet by name. The F19 was skipped by northrop grumann aerospaces. Just like many fighter jets ranging between F22 And F35 havent been given names by counts between both.
Aurora was a science project once that has never gotten into practive.
And regarding all available or even theoretical and perhaps hypothetical propulsion systems
There cannot even be a scenario in which they would be accesible only for the government because of its maintainence cost. Cause the hypothetical aurora project that once seemed to be took place in the 1980s. And in 3 decades later theyre still figuring out how to make scramjets without burning the ships hull past mach 10.
So dont spread such bullshit around please, give me a break.
@Mark48152 maybe you should have paid more attention to the video before blurbing out random shit about NASA and USAF, firstly this is a European Space Agency mission, it has nothing to do with NASA. Secondly NASA is a civilian government agency, it has nothing to do with the US military, what possible reason could the US military have for going into space anyway? flying an aircraft and flying a rocket are completely different.
@nikobrown1990 heh, not that nasa hasn't been building and devloping the military rockets from the day they opened the front door. Redstone, Gemini...the shuttle was influenced and built to make the air farce happy. The europeans talk a good game...but they haven't as much experience as the Rus, Americans or the Japanese and Chinese. 8^\ But hey, let's not let those facts get in the way.
Stuff the moon! Go with the 'Mars to stay' mission with the first crew arriving after perhaps as many as twenty unmanned cargo missions. Then they stay for decade in a base that is slowly expanded. Should have been started back in the nineties.
I really struggle to see what we are going to do on Mars or the moon. We have deserts here on earth and do nothing with them. Why do we need to go to deserts somewhere else?
Perhaps We should focus on A.I. and the next energy source for space engines. I am fed up having to use planetary slings to accelerate space crafts. We need engine that would let us fly in a straight line. Humans are too fragile. That is why we need loyal A.I. to lead the space exploration and to build habitats for us.
i think space exploration will take off properly once the wolrd has discovered its next powersource, at the moment our whole wold is built off combustion technology...this can only take us so far, the next phase will probably occour at around 2050.
The only way forward is to find a way to create small stars inside an engine.
Another alternative is if we somehow find a way to reverse the direction of gravity from pull to push. This might not be possible in this universe though.
Third alternative: Life spreads gradually. So perhaps we have to build habitats for human colonies in space and send them on their journeys into deep space that will last for many generations with the hope that one day they will reach a planet.
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sending man to other planets will happen but probably not anytime soon. its an extremely complicated procedure that will require a one world government or at least a one world space agency with peace and cooperation of the people of earth and conservation of what little we really have on this planet.
world government? are you stupid. a world goverment would be the end of our lifes. we are rigth now under the controll of extrem powerfull people which are ruling the federal reserve bank, the world bank, the government(a part)and so on. it would be the final step to make us all to slaves if we would let them build a world government. (the NAU is just the next step after the national states)
NAU: north amerikan union. if jyou never heard about that. now you know why.
I'm a European, and even I think that in terms of having the balls to engage with and stick to big space projects, ESA is worse than useless. It lacks courage, and any kind of sense of urgency. When the Chinese are strip mining the moon for Helium-3, we might sit up and take notice.
This has nothing to do with ESA, its about european governments sitting on their money and leaving ESA with a too small budget.
The know how and technology is available.
China on the other hand may have the will to invest which Europe hasnt but lacks know how, money and technology to turn its bold plans into reality.
Their moon landing which is planned for 2020 is effectively not realizable. Especially now with economic crisis. 2035-40 would be more realistical for them.
And Russia... Well, people tend to forget how it can barely keep their Soyuz resupply mission to the ISS running at the moment.
Its GDP is on place 8 in the world, about fifthteen to sixthteen times smaller than that of the EU, and it was hit harder by the crisis than most others.
A moon or even mars landing , is financially impossible for them.
All compared, NASA and ESA (with a adequate budget) are the most likely to REALLY and SUCCESSFULLY go on a mission to Mars before 2040.
My point exactly. China is a richer country than Russia now, and if the Russians can keep their tincan Soyuz rockets flying, it can't possibly be that hard to get a lunar Shenzhou variant to fly.
ESA's 2009 budget was 3.59 billion euros ($5bn USD). That's about 1/3 of NASA's, but if you strip out the enormous cost of the bloated space shuttle program, they've got about the same funding.
If the US walked on the moon in 1969 with 'man in a can' technology, it wouldn't be hard for the Chinese to do likewise before 2020 with the benefit of 40 years better technology. Even if they stole a lot of that knowledge by espionage (possible), 2020 for them is totally doable.
With NASA having more than triple the budget of ESA, ESA's budget is small as it cannot support as many projects at the same time as it would like.
China's GDP is barely bigger than that of Germany and has to feed 1.3 billion people instead of 86 million with that. Then look how much money they spent on other things.
Dont let yourself being blinded by China's big cities and skyscrapers. Take a look beyond the handfull of big cities and see what 90 % of the country looks like.
Debts? The government there owns nearly 2 trillion dollars of US treasury bills.
That means that US taxpayers pay money in taxes which the US government then pays to China as the coupon on those bonds. If they were (for example) all paying a uniform 3%, the US would be paying $60 billion a year to China just for holding its debt! Put it another way, that's 10% of the US defence budget. Not good.
As for NASA, the shuttle alone consumes nearly $5 - it's an insanely expensive white elephant.
"This has nothing to do with ESA, its about european governments sitting on their money and leaving ESA with a too small budget."
So true. If only they would invest like the US does with NASA then Europe could finally be on equal terrain with the US. I really hope that with the LISBON treaty ESA will get more connected with the European Union and thus get a far bigger budget. WE NEED BIGGER BUDGETS FOR ESA ASAP!!!
NASA also. The whole point of the Shuttle / SPace station was to "learn to live in space for long duration missions". So we spent all this time (20 years) learning to survive in space...but no one has gone ANYWHERE...just around in worthless circles.
I wonder why this is down rated so much? Space explorations costs a lot of money, needs international cooperation and people are not slaughtered for it.
@assimptotico its easy to say but hard to do really hard im sure that most of us want it but we are messed up so we cant do it that easlly it will be a long long proses.
@krackfoxtube completely agree, wars speed up the invention of radical and futuristic technologies as a way of "1-upping" the enemy. without wars and competition, our species' advancement would slow to snails pace. This happens because more and more of the public get behind and support (with taxes) the governments' aims, you only need to look at the 1960s space race to see this, the cold war was the catalyst that forced the US and the soviet union off this planet and onto the Moon.
we need to start colonizing space...it seems our species is still so primitive. would be nice if we could travel the stars as they do in the major sci-fi shows/movies.
@sourmanofcoal ya space is so magnificent, there's some many amazing new worlds we could explore...it's just sad that we put no money into interstellar space travel and waste it on really stupid things.
sadly I think only future generations might get that opportunity and thrill to put human footprints on an alien-hopefully earth-like world one day.
I believe they would be there mora than a month, otherwise it wouldnt be logical to send them to mars. So their is plenty of time for European austronauts to explore. I just am excited to see who they will pick to go there, must be the greatest honor.
A conjunction-class mission (shortest time in space) gives 180 days one way, with 500 days on the surface (before the planets reach another conjunction), then 180 days back.
this program is leaving shit all over the place!! Come up with a better idea. Please, and cut the cost! They could build a space station with the crap they are leaving behind in space.
TheWheels1965 2 months ago
ahh.. if only the whole human species could stop fighting.. and unite all together and if we could.. this could happen in like.. 5 years!
oPolo117o 1 year ago
The Aurora program started with the concept for the F-19A Spectra Aurora which will be a replacement for the space shuttle - US air force officials and people with SEI clearances have made trips to and from space in these and similar aircraft for the past 30 years. But its highly developed aircraft so it can't be made cheaply. I say scrap NASA and just wing it inside the US air force - 95% of all space related intelligence is brought through the air force anyway. And civilians contribute.
Mark48152 1 year ago
@Mark48152
What a shitload of nonsense.
There is no F19. And the F** (stand for fighter) and in your fantasy story its a ship that can reach LEO but its a fighter jet by name. The F19 was skipped by northrop grumann aerospaces. Just like many fighter jets ranging between F22 And F35 havent been given names by counts between both.
Aurora was a science project once that has never gotten into practive.
And regarding all available or even theoretical and perhaps hypothetical propulsion systems
Armigo91 1 year ago
There cannot even be a scenario in which they would be accesible only for the government because of its maintainence cost. Cause the hypothetical aurora project that once seemed to be took place in the 1980s. And in 3 decades later theyre still figuring out how to make scramjets without burning the ships hull past mach 10.
So dont spread such bullshit around please, give me a break.
Armigo91 1 year ago
@Mark48152 maybe you should have paid more attention to the video before blurbing out random shit about NASA and USAF, firstly this is a European Space Agency mission, it has nothing to do with NASA. Secondly NASA is a civilian government agency, it has nothing to do with the US military, what possible reason could the US military have for going into space anyway? flying an aircraft and flying a rocket are completely different.
nikobrown1990 1 year ago
@nikobrown1990 heh, not that nasa hasn't been building and devloping the military rockets from the day they opened the front door. Redstone, Gemini...the shuttle was influenced and built to make the air farce happy. The europeans talk a good game...but they haven't as much experience as the Rus, Americans or the Japanese and Chinese. 8^\ But hey, let's not let those facts get in the way.
GrigoriZhukov 7 months ago
Stuff the moon! Go with the 'Mars to stay' mission with the first crew arriving after perhaps as many as twenty unmanned cargo missions. Then they stay for decade in a base that is slowly expanded. Should have been started back in the nineties.
Realfoxhawk 1 year ago
I really struggle to see what we are going to do on Mars or the moon. We have deserts here on earth and do nothing with them. Why do we need to go to deserts somewhere else?
Perhaps We should focus on A.I. and the next energy source for space engines. I am fed up having to use planetary slings to accelerate space crafts. We need engine that would let us fly in a straight line. Humans are too fragile. That is why we need loyal A.I. to lead the space exploration and to build habitats for us.
gespilk 1 year ago
Is it possible to travel faster by setting off explosives simultaneously?
karmapolice247 1 year ago
i think space exploration will take off properly once the wolrd has discovered its next powersource, at the moment our whole wold is built off combustion technology...this can only take us so far, the next phase will probably occour at around 2050.
dvarblo 1 year ago
@dvarblo
The only way forward is to find a way to create small stars inside an engine.
Another alternative is if we somehow find a way to reverse the direction of gravity from pull to push. This might not be possible in this universe though.
Third alternative: Life spreads gradually. So perhaps we have to build habitats for human colonies in space and send them on their journeys into deep space that will last for many generations with the hope that one day they will reach a planet.
gespilk 1 year ago
just had to include the dead european rover eh?
SatoTM3 1 year ago
its the 1 there sending in 2011 not the dead 1 : D
TotalWarLord 1 year ago
@TotalWarLord i kno it is exomars
but why does it have to be dead >.>
and your english is terrible ><
SatoTM3 1 year ago
i was rushing you "kno" : D
TotalWarLord 1 year ago
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cant wait to see it happen..........!
nitinsam14 1 year ago
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nitinsam14 1 year ago
Interesting!
marcbrillant 2 years ago
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luisbeck007 2 years ago
sending man to other planets will happen but probably not anytime soon. its an extremely complicated procedure that will require a one world government or at least a one world space agency with peace and cooperation of the people of earth and conservation of what little we really have on this planet.
boundtogetdown 2 years ago 2
world government? are you stupid. a world goverment would be the end of our lifes. we are rigth now under the controll of extrem powerfull people which are ruling the federal reserve bank, the world bank, the government(a part)and so on. it would be the final step to make us all to slaves if we would let them build a world government. (the NAU is just the next step after the national states)
NAU: north amerikan union. if jyou never heard about that. now you know why.
swunt10 2 years ago 2
I'm a European, and even I think that in terms of having the balls to engage with and stick to big space projects, ESA is worse than useless. It lacks courage, and any kind of sense of urgency. When the Chinese are strip mining the moon for Helium-3, we might sit up and take notice.
jbat001 2 years ago
This has nothing to do with ESA, its about european governments sitting on their money and leaving ESA with a too small budget.
The know how and technology is available.
China on the other hand may have the will to invest which Europe hasnt but lacks know how, money and technology to turn its bold plans into reality.
Their moon landing which is planned for 2020 is effectively not realizable. Especially now with economic crisis. 2035-40 would be more realistical for them.
Celeon999A 2 years ago
And Russia... Well, people tend to forget how it can barely keep their Soyuz resupply mission to the ISS running at the moment.
Its GDP is on place 8 in the world, about fifthteen to sixthteen times smaller than that of the EU, and it was hit harder by the crisis than most others.
A moon or even mars landing , is financially impossible for them.
All compared, NASA and ESA (with a adequate budget) are the most likely to REALLY and SUCCESSFULLY go on a mission to Mars before 2040.
Celeon999A 2 years ago
My point exactly. China is a richer country than Russia now, and if the Russians can keep their tincan Soyuz rockets flying, it can't possibly be that hard to get a lunar Shenzhou variant to fly.
jbat001 2 years ago
Small budget?!
ESA's 2009 budget was 3.59 billion euros ($5bn USD). That's about 1/3 of NASA's, but if you strip out the enormous cost of the bloated space shuttle program, they've got about the same funding.
If the US walked on the moon in 1969 with 'man in a can' technology, it wouldn't be hard for the Chinese to do likewise before 2020 with the benefit of 40 years better technology. Even if they stole a lot of that knowledge by espionage (possible), 2020 for them is totally doable.
jbat001 2 years ago
With NASA having more than triple the budget of ESA, ESA's budget is small as it cannot support as many projects at the same time as it would like.
China's GDP is barely bigger than that of Germany and has to feed 1.3 billion people instead of 86 million with that. Then look how much money they spent on other things.
Dont let yourself being blinded by China's big cities and skyscrapers. Take a look beyond the handfull of big cities and see what 90 % of the country looks like.
Celeon999A 2 years ago
Also , its a uncertain thing to call China rich.
Looking at the debts it took to finance its space program so far....
Celeon999A 2 years ago
Debts? The government there owns nearly 2 trillion dollars of US treasury bills.
That means that US taxpayers pay money in taxes which the US government then pays to China as the coupon on those bonds. If they were (for example) all paying a uniform 3%, the US would be paying $60 billion a year to China just for holding its debt! Put it another way, that's 10% of the US defence budget. Not good.
As for NASA, the shuttle alone consumes nearly $5 - it's an insanely expensive white elephant.
jbat001 2 years ago
we are just 82 million germans ;)
swunt10 2 years ago
"This has nothing to do with ESA, its about european governments sitting on their money and leaving ESA with a too small budget."
So true. If only they would invest like the US does with NASA then Europe could finally be on equal terrain with the US. I really hope that with the LISBON treaty ESA will get more connected with the European Union and thus get a far bigger budget. WE NEED BIGGER BUDGETS FOR ESA ASAP!!!
EUROSUN1 2 years ago 2
NASA also. The whole point of the Shuttle / SPace station was to "learn to live in space for long duration missions". So we spent all this time (20 years) learning to survive in space...but no one has gone ANYWHERE...just around in worthless circles.
dcb1138 2 years ago
we all know esa cant really do anything. NASA and china will be there a hundred years before Europe. unless they hitch a ride with NASA
zyxwvutsrqponmlkh 2 years ago
China? No Nasa and russia definatly but not china.
rogelead 2 years ago
yeah you're right. Did you remember the ESA mission to Mars a few years ago? It was a failure, they lost the landing module...
teo89 2 years ago
that was an English module. The ESA's orbiter still working.
MrBigjoye 2 years ago
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SVEUSY3J 2 years ago
cool animation!!!
thorntonart 3 years ago
If the US land on Mars I bet the don't plant a flag - my guess is they'll plant corn
OghamTheBold 3 years ago
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NO eu flag on Mars!
down with the eu colonization of space
WeAreTheBrits 3 years ago
^^LOL. our little island monkeys.
swunt10 2 years ago
They should send Asimos in space... Those guys are cute as bunny rabbits and take well to the martian climate..
Clausfarre 3 years ago
Would mankind invest half the money spent on
wars, weapons and armies in pacific research,
including space explorations, our world would be
much better.
assimptotico 3 years ago 32
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Space exploration is the moral equivalent of war.
lamnaa 3 years ago
I wonder why this is down rated so much? Space explorations costs a lot of money, needs international cooperation and people are not slaughtered for it.
lamnaa 3 years ago
I now. The US military spends more then three times EACH YEAR then the whole Apollo program cost.
loperspest 2 years ago
@assimptotico its easy to say but hard to do really hard im sure that most of us want it but we are messed up so we cant do it that easlly it will be a long long proses.
Crea80r 1 year ago
@assimptotico saving the world, isn't good for the economy. So this will never happen...
LunaticQuutamo 1 year ago
@assimptotico it was only because of the war we had the technology to get to the moon.
krackfoxtube 1 year ago
@krackfoxtube completely agree, wars speed up the invention of radical and futuristic technologies as a way of "1-upping" the enemy. without wars and competition, our species' advancement would slow to snails pace. This happens because more and more of the public get behind and support (with taxes) the governments' aims, you only need to look at the 1960s space race to see this, the cold war was the catalyst that forced the US and the soviet union off this planet and onto the Moon.
nikobrown1990 1 year ago
@assimptotico They Do. and You dont think there will be wars in the future?
sourmanofcoal 8 months ago
we need to start colonizing space...it seems our species is still so primitive. would be nice if we could travel the stars as they do in the major sci-fi shows/movies.
AmericaOwnz 3 years ago 18
@AmericaOwnz I CRY LIKE A BABY WHEN I SEE SPACE.
sourmanofcoal 8 months ago
@sourmanofcoal ya space is so magnificent, there's some many amazing new worlds we could explore...it's just sad that we put no money into interstellar space travel and waste it on really stupid things.
sadly I think only future generations might get that opportunity and thrill to put human footprints on an alien-hopefully earth-like world one day.
AmericaOwnz 6 months ago
I never "made out" in the backseat. Somehow this form of viewing makes up for it.
Exploration on Mars is becoming overdue.
exit7sleaf 3 years ago
A ESA mission to mars is impractical. The cosmonauts would spend so much time setting up all the flags there would be no time for exploration.
lamnaa 3 years ago 2
I believe they would be there mora than a month, otherwise it wouldnt be logical to send them to mars. So their is plenty of time for European austronauts to explore. I just am excited to see who they will pick to go there, must be the greatest honor.
Darkwolfy88 3 years ago
A conjunction-class mission (shortest time in space) gives 180 days one way, with 500 days on the surface (before the planets reach another conjunction), then 180 days back.
JohannVF 3 years ago 2