Omg I was thinking that tooo! That would be pretty awesome! But poor rory always gets messed up, an example being him being erased from history for example. And River IS a time lord, and rory's her father, so if he were to become the master somehow.... :0 omg
In Let's Kill Hitler, Rory mentioned a banging noise in his head. They pass it off as Hitler in the cupboard... but is Moffat just evil enough to make Rory the Master?
@cbettenbender How though, The Master is locked on Galifrey with the rest of the Time Lords. Barring a return of The Time Lords The Master and 11 will likely not meet at all.
@Keyblade747 No, unrelated incidents. Galifrey is time locked and outside of the influence of the crack even the crack isn't powerful enough to breach a time lock. The Timelords were able to come back briefly in end of time do to manipulating the master. He can't just jump through the crack. We did see something get out of the Crack. Rory. But look what that did to him. The Master will return when he is good and ready along with the Time Lords.
@butterflyknifexxxx2 I noticed that too. Didn't think anything of it...UNTIL NOW. I wonder if The Master will be the one to bring about the Fall of the Eleventh. It would be fitting wouldn't it?
Wait....were those fingers that took the Master's ring from the hand of the woman who imprisoned Melody Pond (River Song) and turned her into a Doctor-killing psychopath? Looked like the same female hand to me!
@aperson22222 Not as crazy as this theory I saw on tvtropes that The Doctor and The Master are Time Lords. They'll never find any evidence to support that.
The Master using his genius intellect, assist the time lords in defeating the daleks in the time war or something and then breaks the time lock somehow. THe doctor at first is worried but it is revealed that the master has finally turned into a genuine good guy. Maybe he has rassilon take the drum noise out of his mind or something. it would be cool to have The Master as Time Lord President.
I'm going to guess some prison matron finds the ring and for no reason anyone can think of goes through some Wiccan ceremony to revive the Master. Then the Master tries to do something really over-the-top and crazy, like, oh I don't know, turn everyone into a copy of himself. But the real villain is Rassilon, who put the drums in the Master's head in the first place as a way of getting through the time lock the Doctor placed at the end of the war! Nah, I'm just kidding, that would be crazy.
I hope John Simms plays the master again. I think Moffat could also do a really cool master story. Don't get me wrong, I think RTD did an amazing job on it, I just want to see a Smith vs. Simms story :)
@forrestorocks Exactly. Simms was priceless...my favourite Master now (Anthony Ainley being at a slight disadvantage now that he's extremely respiration-challenged.) All Simms stuff was a pure joy to watch -- all the best bits of the older incarnations of the Master coupled with some of what I can only describe is Alan Rickman-like villainy.
I personally believe that the master became the nightmare child or the could have been king if wrong blame the books can't find not one of them in my state and they're not really considered canon anyway
@bigkon420 Unlikly since he ran away and used a chamleon Arch but anything's possiable in Dr Who. The books are usually accepted as canon by most fans if they don't contradict the show. Of Course since it's a well known fact that the Doctor lies it really blurs the line between what happens in some of the books and what he says happens.
ill be disappointed if they ever trueky killed off ther master perminently cos not only was john simm incredible as the master, he and tennant bounced off each other so well, but if they kill off the master, its like killing off the daleks or the cybermen, classic villians, part of the charm and brilliance of them is that they keep gettin revived, theyre such fantastic enemies so to kill any of them off would be tragic to be honest. it'd be like killing the tardis perminently :O
Actually, if the master does come back for a third time, it won't be John Simm, unfortunately. He stated that he wanted to be the Tenth Doctor's Master only.
@adhiluhur well, yeah, but The Doctor was nearly poisoned in The Unicorn & The Wasp, and there was the whole "What's happening?" "He's faking his regeneration" (fanvid's words, not mine) thing at the end of The Stolen Earth....
@interspark not really. it was the hearth beat of a time lord. The master did in fact return after all those things happened. not coincidences at all!
@Ivansama94 yes those things did happen and the master DID return, it is a coincedence, he didnt return BECAUSE of those things, nor did he cause them, and the rythm WAS just a simple beat of four, rassilon only said "the heartbeat of a timelord!" for dramatic effect
i think the master will be resurected by his diciples with the ring, combined with a potion of life and the isometric signature he left on lucy's lips, he will then implant himself on the entire human race using a vinvotchi ressurection gate which he will then use to make a gateway between present day earth and the time war, but then the doctor will fall through the roof from a spaceship, destroy the gate and then be saved by the master
well, now that we saw him return in the end of time, he may not appear for at least 3-4 seasons, cause if there was a series 6, it must be the rani this time
to be honest, i never thought the master was bad, he was insane, i mean, he held it togther quite well i thought i mean i would go nuts if i heard "the drums" my whole life
heres it all wrapped in a nutshell,at the end of the end of last of the timelords,hand picked up jhon simms ring,then what hapened is a band of rebels brought him back because they had the ring then they got lucy saxon to kiss it then they formed together,but it went wrong and the master was in bewtween alive and dead (:
kiirometh, I think it's very perceptive how you were able to foretell the return of the master before the episode even came out. You need a critical eye and ear for those kind of things. Kudos! Watch the Doctor on BBC! (By the way, for those of you who haven't seen it yet, the 11th doctor is Matt Smith)
ah but the question is will he realise the error of his ways and join the doctor or will he be even more pissed off than ever because the time lords made him insane for their own ends before abbandoning him
@samthepsycicclam Seems like RTD wrote SM into a corner as far as the Master goes. If SM tries to bring him back, and he wants him to be a bad guy, the Master would have to be really screwed up from what happened in TEOT Part 2. He'd half to be like the Joker from The Dark Knight.
If you listened to what the Doctor said, he had barely any life force left, and his body was on the verge of death. When he attacked the Time Lords at the end, you can tell that's the last of his life force.
If he went into the Time Lord, he would have been incinerated by a very, very powerful weapon that literally incinerated everything in the war, burned them to nothing.
@Dan2nd But the Time Lords are gone, and the story was left unopen. In the original series, they were going to have the Master redeem himself and finally die, but the actor died.
In the new series, they did his last episode in dedication to that, because they thought it was time to end him, but this time WITH the Time Lords as a kind of goodbye to the old times.
@XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX The John Pertwee Doctor was supposed to have regerated from the Roger Delgato Master, but he died before they made the last season with John Pertwee. Do you mean that the Anothony Ainley master died who was first on the last season of Tome Baker?
They have been eluding to it all the time... when the Master returns, even more insane than the last time. This has been keeping me up for nights, but the dugga-du-du heard in the background of the Doctor Who theme song sounds sort of like the Drums... but maybe I'm just insane. And the Master will knock four times in the succession of the heartbeat. And the return of the Ood... the Doctor is just going out of his mind. It's terrifying and terribly heartbreaking. He's marching to his Death....
OK, it seems the ring was something like the pocketwatch that the master used to turn himself into a time lord unknowingly. This could mean he could perserve past of his/a timelords dna and regenerate AFTER dying (he might not acually have died though it might have been more like hiberating, and somehow not breathing while doing so, sort of like the theory of freezing someone and thawing them out a few years later) tell me if anything is wrong about this havent seen the master 1 in a while. :)
the drumming the never ending drum beat i think that the drum beat might be the masters concissnes and the master is never ending and the shadow on midnight that might also be the master
People, the knocking has been confirmed to be something no one will understand until they see the episode.
All that is know about it and who will really do it is that the knocking is not good, and even the producers say they can't bare it, and filming 'the four knocks' was unbearable.
Everything they say is saying this 'four knocks' will be something very terrible, dark, something evil. One refered to it 'as the dreaded prohecy that he will knock four times... but you don't know who."
the master's drumming is the theme. it's the back beat of the opening song. in the other clips it's the same. and yes he's coming back we already know that!
ok, i love doctor who, but seriously are the fans a bunch of shite or what? learn to spell would you kindly? your mothers should be ashamed of you all.
i wonder if this 4 beat tapping is the same as the "he will knock 4 times" thing that is supposedly the death of the doctor. because the master happens to be in this christmas special. yeah you know, the one where the doctor REGENERATES. coincidence, i think not.
i think the knocking is the time lords on gallifrey (either sending him a message or trying to kill him for disturbing time because if he distubs time he can destroy it) like the water person knocking 3 times and the doctor stops the 4th (that is most probably the time lords trying to kill the doctor because he has gone too far)
ooohh I think i might have noticed something - but maybe others have noticed it first - oh well...
So we were told in Planet of the Dead and again in The Waters of Mars that "he will knock 4 times" so that seems to be the hidden repeated message for series 5. So HE - well, the master duh. And the beat that the master taps in sound of drums: 1-2-3-4 .... 1-2-3-4 ...1-2-3-4
David Tennant: "If you think you've figured out what the knocking is, then you're wrong."
He's returning- sure. But the knocking? The producers assosiated it something else, someone else. Not him. What the knocking really means has yet to be revealed, and who is REALLY knocking.
no Davros created the Darleks the doctor didn't forget him after the Time War he transferred his timelord DNA to a pocket watch and went to the end of time to hide from the Darleks as a normal person that why the doctor didn't sense him at first
at some pint, the master and the doctor knew each other, but the doctore forgot him after the time war, it probably messed up the doctors memory, and maybe the Master created the darleks.
I don't know if anyone's noticed this ( maybe it's just me) but right at the begining of any Doctor who theme, i think there is a slightly same beat. You might be able to hear it better with the 9th, 8th or 3rd Doctor's theme. Maybe they heard the begining and made the master do that tap. OR I'm going Crazy.
The lastest doctor who that was on tv litterally 2 hours ago shows that the master does return!
While watching the lastest episode he mentions "a man nocking 4 times" as the signal to his death. I remember The Master's 'drumming' and came on here to check it out and bingo, i found this! HOW FREAKY!
The Master is returning in the Doctor Who christmas special 2009. I think this is the episode where David Tennant is supposed to die nd regennerate into tht new guy who looks like an elf.
Well it was obviously part of the plan for him to escape. Remember he didnt want to be inprisoned which is why he refused to regenerate. This way he has escaped.
"He Will Knock..Four Times." Think of the beat, Four beats. And in the trailer for the new "Waters Of Mars" episode, you hear the doctor Say something about knocking.
What's the point in re-arranging the title? Everyone know he's coming back, and it seems the title is just a concidence when you look at it from another perspective, such as it was confirmed a coincidence that Mister Saxon = Master No. Six
Plus, the title is perfect, so they would have chosen that anyway.
in "the Planet of the Dead", with the metal stingrays and fly-men, at the end, the partially psychic woman said "he will knock 4 times" which is the same as the Master's drum beat.
lol thts funny in a doctor who spin off the sarah jane adventures a girl called rani helps sarah jane and guess whos staring in a special episode the doctor lol
I assumed it was Mrs Saxon taking the ring - they had the same nail varnish on.
Don't know if anyone else picked up on this but there seemed to be a real focus in the ring that donna was wearing at the end of "Journeys end" so maybe that will elad somewhere too
is u notice the masters drum beat goease four times, dun dun dun dun. like that. And the woman in planet of the dead said "he will knock four times" so thats proof.
John Simm has been confirmed to be returning as the Master in the last two episodes with David Tennant. There is an interview with him regarding it in the radio times etc. Also set reports and photos of him filming.
Awsome vid but guys here's a clue the, the water of mars is an anagram of the episode that has the masters name in it arg I can't remeber! But it is look it up.
i think i know what happens when the master comes back at christmas. Lucy Saxon picked up the ring. the master is binded into the ring and lucy brings the master back via the ring. Also in the 2 part crimbo special donna, donna's grandad (wilfered mott) and sylvia nobel come back. wilfered mott is the doctors compainion for that special.
the old man is doomed, I am willing to bet, and I liked him so much :,(
But hurrah for return of donna, my fave companion by far, and ofcause the master is going to return, I mean... there's the daleks, the Cybermen and the Master, there just is no real doc who without master.
But I don't think it's the Master. If I remember, the Master had gotten that sound from something else, at least that was the impression I got from that episode
I don't think the "knock four times" is anything to do with the master. I did at first, but the Knock Knock Knock Knock is in the new Waters of Mars trailer and the Master is not in the waters of mars?
The master will be back to feed my slash obbession
Alysin123 1 month ago
@cbettenbender
Omg I was thinking that tooo! That would be pretty awesome! But poor rory always gets messed up, an example being him being erased from history for example. And River IS a time lord, and rory's her father, so if he were to become the master somehow.... :0 omg
OwlCityFan26 3 months ago
In Let's Kill Hitler, Rory mentioned a banging noise in his head. They pass it off as Hitler in the cupboard... but is Moffat just evil enough to make Rory the Master?
cbettenbender 4 months ago
@cbettenbender THAT WOULD BLOW MY MIND. Though to be fair, I think it'd be pretty unlikely. :(
leanneanneanne 3 months ago
@cbettenbender How though, The Master is locked on Galifrey with the rest of the Time Lords. Barring a return of The Time Lords The Master and 11 will likely not meet at all.
HieiYYH2 2 months ago
@HieiYYH2 Remember those cracks in the universe? We've seen things get sucked into them. What if something got out?
Keyblade747 2 months ago
@Keyblade747 No, unrelated incidents. Galifrey is time locked and outside of the influence of the crack even the crack isn't powerful enough to breach a time lock. The Timelords were able to come back briefly in end of time do to manipulating the master. He can't just jump through the crack. We did see something get out of the Crack. Rory. But look what that did to him. The Master will return when he is good and ready along with the Time Lords.
HieiYYH2 2 months ago
@interspark how could you have been so accurate?
vampluverDOTcom 4 months ago
in the latest cybermen episode the knocking can be heard just before the black security guy gets taken .i think, dont quote me on it here
butterflyknifexxxx2 4 months ago
@butterflyknifexxxx2 I noticed that too. Didn't think anything of it...UNTIL NOW. I wonder if The Master will be the one to bring about the Fall of the Eleventh. It would be fitting wouldn't it?
MiniKirk 4 months ago
@MiniKirk it would be pretty dam cool!
butterflyknifexxxx2 4 months ago
l'ultima puntata del decimo e del maestro mi ha fatto piangere,non mi sarei mai aspettato che il maestro si sacrificasse
koibab 4 months ago
A bit late maybe, considering he was already back by the time this shit was posted?
drbzps 5 months ago
Wait....were those fingers that took the Master's ring from the hand of the woman who imprisoned Melody Pond (River Song) and turned her into a Doctor-killing psychopath? Looked like the same female hand to me!
rbobinsky 5 months ago
@aperson22222 Not as crazy as this theory I saw on tvtropes that The Doctor and The Master are Time Lords. They'll never find any evidence to support that.
redbaronorcrowley 5 months ago
Here is a possible thing I see in the future.
The Master using his genius intellect, assist the time lords in defeating the daleks in the time war or something and then breaks the time lock somehow. THe doctor at first is worried but it is revealed that the master has finally turned into a genuine good guy. Maybe he has rassilon take the drum noise out of his mind or something. it would be cool to have The Master as Time Lord President.
Shoddragon 5 months ago
I'm going to guess some prison matron finds the ring and for no reason anyone can think of goes through some Wiccan ceremony to revive the Master. Then the Master tries to do something really over-the-top and crazy, like, oh I don't know, turn everyone into a copy of himself. But the real villain is Rassilon, who put the drums in the Master's head in the first place as a way of getting through the time lock the Doctor placed at the end of the war! Nah, I'm just kidding, that would be crazy.
aperson22222 6 months ago
@32symphonic97 Thanks mate... seriouselly thanks
KapiOras 7 months ago
Whats the name of thesong in the background when there's the writing? PLEEEEASE!!!!!!!!
KapiOras 7 months ago
@KapiOras All the Strange, Strange Creatures.
32symphonic97 7 months ago
I hope John Simms plays the master again. I think Moffat could also do a really cool master story. Don't get me wrong, I think RTD did an amazing job on it, I just want to see a Smith vs. Simms story :)
forrestorocks 8 months ago
@forrestorocks Exactly. Simms was priceless...my favourite Master now (Anthony Ainley being at a slight disadvantage now that he's extremely respiration-challenged.) All Simms stuff was a pure joy to watch -- all the best bits of the older incarnations of the Master coupled with some of what I can only describe is Alan Rickman-like villainy.
WolfBrat 8 months ago 2
NICE
McKnowledge1000 9 months ago
It's time for the 11th Doctor to face The Master.
TestAcct45 9 months ago 13
HE came back over a year ago!!! so stop comenting OK
MrWatchorn 9 months ago
I think river song was the one who picked the ring up.
1440801 10 months ago
@1440801 No, haven't you seen the episodes. It wasn't River
Arhtass 9 months ago
You were right, he did return, in the End Of Time Parts 1 & 2
Gametuber94 10 months ago
@Philbo690
erm, nooooo, she didnt
MrZander1000 11 months ago
River song picked up the ring
Philbo690 11 months ago
he came back already and is probly dead 4ever now.
hentaisexfreak4life 1 year ago
Wasn't the thing with the ring at the end of season 3 obvious enough?! People really didn't KNOW he was going to come back?
timtuttle1 1 year ago
damn it, he was right after all!
Prinsgezindepatriot 1 year ago
I personally believe that the master became the nightmare child or the could have been king if wrong blame the books can't find not one of them in my state and they're not really considered canon anyway
bigkon420 1 year ago
@bigkon420 Unlikly since he ran away and used a chamleon Arch but anything's possiable in Dr Who. The books are usually accepted as canon by most fans if they don't contradict the show. Of Course since it's a well known fact that the Doctor lies it really blurs the line between what happens in some of the books and what he says happens.
GrimmShadowsII 9 months ago
ill be disappointed if they ever trueky killed off ther master perminently cos not only was john simm incredible as the master, he and tennant bounced off each other so well, but if they kill off the master, its like killing off the daleks or the cybermen, classic villians, part of the charm and brilliance of them is that they keep gettin revived, theyre such fantastic enemies so to kill any of them off would be tragic to be honest. it'd be like killing the tardis perminently :O
gastrozum 1 year ago 2
The beat is from the intro themes of Doctor Who. They're most likely an easter egg, but for the theme of the show, not specifically to the master.
CoruptedCorupter 1 year ago
I love how they always hide stuff like that in Doctor Who like Bad Wolf, Herold Saxon, the bees. the return of rose, the cracks, and a bunch more!
CuttlefishPi 1 year ago
River is The Master.
DasHelm 1 year ago
@DasHelm The Doctor marrying The Master is a bit of a weird concept. xD
Tribute0427 1 year ago
@DasHelm I believe it's very possible that she is
NaturesAdmiral 1 year ago
hey that was so clue I didn't notice it.
liongirlfc 1 year ago
Actually, if the master does come back for a third time, it won't be John Simm, unfortunately. He stated that he wanted to be the Tenth Doctor's Master only.
PrincessButtercup128 1 year ago
Are u lot idiots?
The four drum beats was a sign of the Doctor's Death.
As predicted by "he will knock four times"
adhiluhur 1 year ago
@adhiluhur This was from 2008; they didn't know that yet.
Lizeera 1 year ago
@Lizeera look at the comments, Liz, they were 2 weeks ago, not 2 years.
adhiluhur 1 year ago
@adhiluhur I thought you were talking about the video, not the comments. Maybe they just haven't seen up to the points we have? Dunno.
Lizeera 1 year ago
@adhiluhur well, yeah, but The Doctor was nearly poisoned in The Unicorn & The Wasp, and there was the whole "What's happening?" "He's faking his regeneration" (fanvid's words, not mine) thing at the end of The Stolen Earth....
kimyadawsonluver4eva 1 year ago
the drumming is a simple 4 beat, as in the sound of a time lords hearts beating
OneTrueLloyd 1 year ago
its a coincedence, the whole point of the rythm in the masters head was that it was incredibly simple
interspark 1 year ago
@interspark not really. it was the hearth beat of a time lord. The master did in fact return after all those things happened. not coincidences at all!
Ivansama94 1 year ago
@Ivansama94 yes those things did happen and the master DID return, it is a coincedence, he didnt return BECAUSE of those things, nor did he cause them, and the rythm WAS just a simple beat of four, rassilon only said "the heartbeat of a timelord!" for dramatic effect
interspark 1 year ago
@interspark l never said he did return because of those. and those were just hints that he is coming back. And it wasn't just for dramatic effect.
Ivansama94 1 year ago
i think the master will be resurected by his diciples with the ring, combined with a potion of life and the isometric signature he left on lucy's lips, he will then implant himself on the entire human race using a vinvotchi ressurection gate which he will then use to make a gateway between present day earth and the time war, but then the doctor will fall through the roof from a spaceship, destroy the gate and then be saved by the master
sorry, i couldnt resist :)
interspark 1 year ago 32
@interspark hehe....can't blame ya' ;)
Stetchnik 6 months ago
@interspark Bro youre like a genius or something :P
eggheadrrlz 5 months ago
we all know that the master did return, but that isnt the masters tune persay that's the doctor who theme tune.
Biocreeper1411 1 year ago
I believe the four drum beats are a reference to the Doctor Who theme...
newtongrace 1 year ago
I believe the four drum beats is a reference to the Doctor Who theme...
newtongrace 1 year ago
mate u must have some good hearing coz the agatha christie and dalek episodes were my favourite and i didnt even notice the beating drums :D
ironhidewatson 1 year ago
that constant dum beat going through every episode
weird
AbdulR207 1 year ago
well, now that we saw him return in the end of time, he may not appear for at least 3-4 seasons, cause if there was a series 6, it must be the rani this time
kylephantom4 1 year ago
Okay well if I had seen this before then I would probably believe you but I know that he already returned and btw I'm in the USA too.
DoctorWhoovian 1 year ago
Um if the Master comes back again he won't have the Drums since he destroyed those who put the drums in his head
Murdock129 1 year ago
The Master has always been my favorite villain/anti-hero.
I hope he appears again in the new series. (Though, he has already cheated death twice, so I'm not sure if the writers would even consider it.)
(Though I have read a few fanfics that give some interesting ways for him to come back.)
xXxMementoMorixXx 1 year ago
hahahah and he will return again as the Master will never really go away
IrishMetalGirl 1 year ago
to be honest, i never thought the master was bad, he was insane, i mean, he held it togther quite well i thought i mean i would go nuts if i heard "the drums" my whole life
VampieGames 1 year ago
heres it all wrapped in a nutshell,at the end of the end of last of the timelords,hand picked up jhon simms ring,then what hapened is a band of rebels brought him back because they had the ring then they got lucy saxon to kiss it then they formed together,but it went wrong and the master was in bewtween alive and dead (:
harrowsmagnum 1 year ago
the master always comes back
demetristark 1 year ago
and the ood said, he shall knock 4 times. da da da da
Liam7095 2 years ago 2
the heartbeat of a time lord
irishdan2007 2 years ago 2
u can also hear the beats in the doctor who theme tune
livstar93 2 years ago
kiirometh, I think it's very perceptive how you were able to foretell the return of the master before the episode even came out. You need a critical eye and ear for those kind of things. Kudos! Watch the Doctor on BBC! (By the way, for those of you who haven't seen it yet, the 11th doctor is Matt Smith)
TheComingApocalypse 2 years ago
The Master Saved The Doctor
chromasaur 2 years ago 2
Yeah, I loved that. The Master ended up being a hero at the end, but of course, we he will probably be back again.
psxwarrior 2 years ago 27
@psxwarrior
ah but the question is will he realise the error of his ways and join the doctor or will he be even more pissed off than ever because the time lords made him insane for their own ends before abbandoning him
samthepsycicclam 1 year ago
@samthepsycicclam Seems like RTD wrote SM into a corner as far as the Master goes. If SM tries to bring him back, and he wants him to be a bad guy, the Master would have to be really screwed up from what happened in TEOT Part 2. He'd half to be like the Joker from The Dark Knight.
psxwarrior 1 year ago
@psxwarrior Yes, but as a hero, a villain, or somewhere in-between? :?
NodDisciple1 5 months ago
We know now - the Master returned. Actually, I think he's going to return again...The drumming - the never ending drumming.
stevemcarthur1981 2 years ago
The drumming is over, the Master finally got his answer, and he choose to save everyone. He shouldn't come back.
He died turning good, and that's the perfect way for a was-a-bad-guy to go.
XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX 2 years ago
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zac5685 2 years ago
wrong!!!!!!!
harrowsmagnum 1 year ago
@XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX he might not have died, because he just went back to the time war
movieclub01 1 year ago
@movieclub01
If you listened to what the Doctor said, he had barely any life force left, and his body was on the verge of death. When he attacked the Time Lords at the end, you can tell that's the last of his life force.
If he went into the Time Lord, he would have been incinerated by a very, very powerful weapon that literally incinerated everything in the war, burned them to nothing.
XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX 1 year ago
@XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX he also was supposed to have died when he fell into the eye of harmony but he still came back didn't he?
Dan2nd 1 year ago
@Dan2nd But the Time Lords are gone, and the story was left unopen. In the original series, they were going to have the Master redeem himself and finally die, but the actor died.
In the new series, they did his last episode in dedication to that, because they thought it was time to end him, but this time WITH the Time Lords as a kind of goodbye to the old times.
XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX 1 year ago
@XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX The John Pertwee Doctor was supposed to have regerated from the Roger Delgato Master, but he died before they made the last season with John Pertwee. Do you mean that the Anothony Ainley master died who was first on the last season of Tome Baker?
britfrenir 1 year ago
@XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX Yes I see now, but mabye the master from a paralell timeline or something
movieclub01 1 year ago
he will knock four times WE HAVE ALL BEEN SHOCKED AT IT NOT BEING THE MASTER but gramps it had to be him :'( he had to get stuck
tatchell95 2 years ago 2
Not really, I knew it was in no way the Master from the begining.
XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX 2 years ago
who did you think it was
tatchell95 2 years ago
Either 1. Midnight (knock, knock) or 2. Wilf.
At least my second guess was right.
XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX 2 years ago
yeah the midnight thing i had that for a while then i thought nah but i would of never thought wilf
tatchell95 2 years ago
Sylvia could have broke the door with her axe ?
RegenerationStorm 2 years ago
It returned tonight, on the new Dr Who!
Breyerobsessed27 2 years ago
They have been eluding to it all the time... when the Master returns, even more insane than the last time. This has been keeping me up for nights, but the dugga-du-du heard in the background of the Doctor Who theme song sounds sort of like the Drums... but maybe I'm just insane. And the Master will knock four times in the succession of the heartbeat. And the return of the Ood... the Doctor is just going out of his mind. It's terrifying and terribly heartbreaking. He's marching to his Death....
gegamelroks 2 years ago
Maybe something similar to the concept of voldemort from harry potter? o.O
Ardreas 2 years ago
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@Ardreas "Maybe something similar to the concept of voldemort from harry potter? o.O"
They already went that route in the classic series, during the Tom Baker era. Go back and watch "The Deadly Assassin," and "Logopolis"
YeoYeo32 1 year ago
Beofre someone comments on the ring:
Oh, by the way...
Intrerviewer: The last we saw, The Master's ring was being collected from his ashes. Can we assume you were picking up his ring?
Alexanra Moen (Lucy Saxon): "It wasn't me! You're going to have to keep watching to find out who it was!"
XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX 2 years ago
OK, it seems the ring was something like the pocketwatch that the master used to turn himself into a time lord unknowingly. This could mean he could perserve past of his/a timelords dna and regenerate AFTER dying (he might not acually have died though it might have been more like hiberating, and somehow not breathing while doing so, sort of like the theory of freezing someone and thawing them out a few years later) tell me if anything is wrong about this havent seen the master 1 in a while. :)
ccspizza98 2 years ago
the drumming the never ending drum beat i think that the drum beat might be the masters concissnes and the master is never ending and the shadow on midnight that might also be the master
thedrbanana 2 years ago
the master will definatley be returning in the x-mas special for 2009. that episode is called
"the end of time". the trailer is already out!!!!!!!!!!
DarthSam15 2 years ago 2
Yeah and in season 5 episode 1 Planet of the dead the lady that sees the future is like Beware of the 4 knocks . . .4knocks! BRILLIANT !
Mo2Zeke 2 years ago
i think the music in wasp and the unicorn dosent have anything to do with the master but the car from second clip cud be
drakananana 2 years ago
the master is returning on the end of time on christmas 2009 25th bbc 1 7:00pm or bbc three 7:00pm comment back plz and reply anyone
mrkillerjo1 2 years ago
People, the knocking has been confirmed to be something no one will understand until they see the episode.
All that is know about it and who will really do it is that the knocking is not good, and even the producers say they can't bare it, and filming 'the four knocks' was unbearable.
Everything they say is saying this 'four knocks' will be something very terrible, dark, something evil. One refered to it 'as the dreaded prohecy that he will knock four times... but you don't know who."
XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX 2 years ago
@XxXLucozadeXLLoverXxX The four knocks will kill him.
Breyerobsessed27 2 years ago
the master's drumming is the theme. it's the back beat of the opening song. in the other clips it's the same. and yes he's coming back we already know that!
gottaspiffy 2 years ago
Odd coincidences. Apparently the 4 knocks - Death for the tenth isn't the Masters, though it could be.
ThayHybrid 2 years ago
ok, i love doctor who, but seriously are the fans a bunch of shite or what? learn to spell would you kindly? your mothers should be ashamed of you all.
OptomisCrashdown 2 years ago
i know every thig that will happen
punknielsen1999 2 years ago
i wonder if this 4 beat tapping is the same as the "he will knock 4 times" thing that is supposedly the death of the doctor. because the master happens to be in this christmas special. yeah you know, the one where the doctor REGENERATES. coincidence, i think not.
Anthonyk312 2 years ago
i think the knocking is the time lords on gallifrey (either sending him a message or trying to kill him for disturbing time because if he distubs time he can destroy it) like the water person knocking 3 times and the doctor stops the 4th (that is most probably the time lords trying to kill the doctor because he has gone too far)
piplup2009 2 years ago
ooohh I think i might have noticed something - but maybe others have noticed it first - oh well...
So we were told in Planet of the Dead and again in The Waters of Mars that "he will knock 4 times" so that seems to be the hidden repeated message for series 5. So HE - well, the master duh. And the beat that the master taps in sound of drums: 1-2-3-4 .... 1-2-3-4 ...1-2-3-4
ah ha!
00FITZ00 2 years ago
David Tennant: "If you think you've figured out what the knocking is, then you're wrong."
He's returning- sure. But the knocking? The producers assosiated it something else, someone else. Not him. What the knocking really means has yet to be revealed, and who is REALLY knocking.
XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX 2 years ago
no Davros created the Darleks the doctor didn't forget him after the Time War he transferred his timelord DNA to a pocket watch and went to the end of time to hide from the Darleks as a normal person that why the doctor didn't sense him at first
stribs1986 2 years ago
My thoughts:
at some pint, the master and the doctor knew each other, but the doctore forgot him after the time war, it probably messed up the doctors memory, and maybe the Master created the darleks.
JamesBevan9690 2 years ago
I don't know if anyone's noticed this ( maybe it's just me) but right at the begining of any Doctor who theme, i think there is a slightly same beat. You might be able to hear it better with the 9th, 8th or 3rd Doctor's theme. Maybe they heard the begining and made the master do that tap. OR I'm going Crazy.
1gallifrey1 2 years ago
YOU SAW INTO THE FUTER
webshackk 2 years ago
Not forgetting "he will knock four times."
atomicmrpelly 2 years ago
the master will come back if you watch
the waters of mars youll see him in the end saying "i am the master"
devoid1701 2 years ago
Don't know if this will be a point of interest for anyone but "The Waters of Mars" re-arrange the letters you get "The MASTER of War"
duelweilder7 2 years ago 35
@duelweilder7 actually u get the masterS of war
the waters of mars
the masters of war
computermaster7000 1 year ago
@computermaster7000 Or you could have "The Master of Wars"
YeoYeo32 1 year ago
@YeoYeo32 Good point
computermaster7000 1 year ago
@duelweilder7
What about the second S?
vapata989 1 year ago
orite guys n gals guessing u already seen the last episode or the doc but the master will be back in the cristmass special
the1ozz 2 years ago
Who ever discovered this is a genious!
The lastest doctor who that was on tv litterally 2 hours ago shows that the master does return!
While watching the lastest episode he mentions "a man nocking 4 times" as the signal to his death. I remember The Master's 'drumming' and came on here to check it out and bingo, i found this! HOW FREAKY!
-Tom
tommy2606901 2 years ago
he come back in the christmas special, and ahs blonnde hair
Kryptonater1994 2 years ago
The Master is returning in the Doctor Who christmas special 2009. I think this is the episode where David Tennant is supposed to die nd regennerate into tht new guy who looks like an elf.
Dricstar 2 years ago 2
It's the
Rani
Rani
Rani
Rani
markyballack 2 years ago
Listen to the Daleks, too...
"Ex-ter-min-ATE! Ex-ter-min-ATE!! Ex-ter-min-ATE!!!"
He will knock four times... Yikes.
Hopelessnutcase 2 years ago
It was LUCY SAXON who picked up the masters ring
wwefanno11 2 years ago
It was confirmed that IT WAS NOT LUCY SAXON who picked up the ring. She was jailed, CONFIRMED.
XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX 2 years ago
Well we all know he is coming back. i did notice that on the episode Stolen Earth
antony492 2 years ago
omg ur thinking to much outside the box......y the hell would his wife pick up the ring.....because don't forget he the one who SHOOT HIM!!
funnybunnydec 2 years ago
@funnybunnydec
Well it was obviously part of the plan for him to escape. Remember he didnt want to be inprisoned which is why he refused to regenerate. This way he has escaped.
antony492 2 years ago
Wow, really good, you should make another. I think you're on to something.
babysister32656 2 years ago
Wasn't there four beats in midnight when the ball telling people the plane was leaving soon?
Halflife952 2 years ago
"He Will Knock..Four Times." Think of the beat, Four beats. And in the trailer for the new "Waters Of Mars" episode, you hear the doctor Say something about knocking.
AaronTheOneAndOnly 2 years ago
Waters of Mars...
re-arrange...
Wars of Master...
IsshySouljaESA27 2 years ago
What's the point in re-arranging the title? Everyone know he's coming back, and it seems the title is just a concidence when you look at it from another perspective, such as it was confirmed a coincidence that Mister Saxon = Master No. Six
Plus, the title is perfect, so they would have chosen that anyway.
XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX 2 years ago
also, remember what the lady said at the end of the planet of the dead "you will knock four times" :O
hessian1235 2 years ago
About the ring...
1. It was confirmed that it is not Lucy
2. It appears to have been left in the year 5 billion; whoever picked it up had to have access to time travel.
XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX 2 years ago
...the Rani...
IsshySouljaESA27 2 years ago
in "the Planet of the Dead", with the metal stingrays and fly-men, at the end, the partially psychic woman said "he will knock 4 times" which is the same as the Master's drum beat.
Coincidence?
Shadowvex101 2 years ago
The Rani is a rival Time Lord, essentially a Female Master. She first appeared during Colin Baker's 6th Doctor era Sylvester McCoy's 7th Doctor.
Her last appearance was in a charity special but that can hardly be considered canon, just a bit of fun.
She has never regenerated on screen and the had looks a bit old but Kate O'Mara who played her is about 70 now so whether she'd be up to doing it.
I'm hoping we find out in the christmas special what went on here.
FreakinSweet86 2 years ago
lol thts funny in a doctor who spin off the sarah jane adventures a girl called rani helps sarah jane and guess whos staring in a special episode the doctor lol
adachu799 2 years ago
not that funny
TheAngryGameKids 2 years ago
I assumed it was Mrs Saxon taking the ring - they had the same nail varnish on.
Don't know if anyone else picked up on this but there seemed to be a real focus in the ring that donna was wearing at the end of "Journeys end" so maybe that will elad somewhere too
phantomles1 2 years ago
I suppose none of you have entertained the idea that the hand that picked up the ring could have been The Rani?
FreakinSweet86 2 years ago
Sorry but who is the rani
montsdocto 2 years ago
You supposed wrong FreakinSweet86 :D
2 time lords vs 1... that would be epic :)
SuperCactusman 2 years ago
the person who picked up the ring in my opinion would be cassandra human version or donna nobles mum
montsdocto 2 years ago
who the fuck could that be donna's mum...
xxmrcoolmanxx 2 years ago
is u notice the masters drum beat goease four times, dun dun dun dun. like that. And the woman in planet of the dead said "he will knock four times" so thats proof.
ClubPenguinFan8 2 years ago
John Simm has been confirmed to be returning as the Master in the last two episodes with David Tennant. There is an interview with him regarding it in the radio times etc. Also set reports and photos of him filming.
jackta101 2 years ago
i think its 80% chance that hand was donna or the rani. and listen to the laugh..
molter9 2 years ago
The knocking is also in the Doctor Who theme song:
knock, knock , knock, knock...
nock, knock , knock, knock..
The darkness could be the time vortex.
sirpoopalot7 2 years ago
Have you noticed the introduction?
That is the most obvious sign of The Master...
Tap-Tap-Tap-Tap...
Tap-Tap-Tap-Tap...
Tap-Tap-Tap-Tap...
raveman33 2 years ago
It's subtle, but it's there...
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DARKnDODGY 2 years ago
Awsome vid but guys here's a clue the, the water of mars is an anagram of the episode that has the masters name in it arg I can't remeber! But it is look it up.
topyka2 2 years ago
i think i know what happens when the master comes back at christmas. Lucy Saxon picked up the ring. the master is binded into the ring and lucy brings the master back via the ring. Also in the 2 part crimbo special donna, donna's grandad (wilfered mott) and sylvia nobel come back. wilfered mott is the doctors compainion for that special.
c64lolz 2 years ago
oh no, you know what that means?
the old man is doomed, I am willing to bet, and I liked him so much :,(
But hurrah for return of donna, my fave companion by far, and ofcause the master is going to return, I mean... there's the daleks, the Cybermen and the Master, there just is no real doc who without master.
MoonPhantom 2 years ago
Yes very clever.
But I don't think it's the Master. If I remember, the Master had gotten that sound from something else, at least that was the impression I got from that episode
lynneelf 2 years ago
he isnt the darknes because the darkness is mentioned in series 3 the sound of drums
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DARKnDODGY 2 years ago
that's actually quite clever to notice all of those things :) x
NiaNightmareOx 2 years ago 2
ive seen the trailer for end of time the master is on it... so is rose donna and martha.
jeffrunescape 2 years ago
I don't think the "knock four times" is anything to do with the master. I did at first, but the Knock Knock Knock Knock is in the new Waters of Mars trailer and the Master is not in the waters of mars?
MattBalne 2 years ago