On another note, Tim, have you heard of Charles Fisher's 'Off-Set' pedal? Companies like Pearl, Taye, and Sonor (especially Sonor) have in the past tried to violate his patents without necessarily violating them. (Sonor's Giant Step is a good example of that, though he let them continue to sell it- I believe the reason he didn't tell them to take all of it down is because he WANTS people to be thinking about its design. You can find it here: web.mac.com/kleidy1/Off-Set/Home.html
Considering some of the things I've studied in efforts to put more arbitrary values to stick heights and beater throws in an effort for a more perfect understanding of economy of motion regarding the use of the feet, while I think I'm starting to understanding the importance of swiveling the foot so as to mimic the Moeller whip, as executed with the hands, I still do not agree with swiveling being used when playing streams of notes because of a method I'm developing revolving around physics. :-/
thanks man. I've been playing barefoot lately, and developed a way to use the slide technique for double bass pedals. hopefully i can get those shoes though.
Can I do 32nd notes on 250 bpm+ with this swivel technique. I noticed George Kollias has a different way of swivelling. Do I have to figure his technique to reach 280 or something?
it fits better to me to go (left) with the right food (right) with the left food and then (right) with the right food and then (left) with the left food.......is like going in and then out....i should stay with this because it fits better to me or i should try harder the chasing thing??
Ok Can anyone explain to me what the swivel technique does as opposed to no swivel. What purpose does it serve? I thought that having extra movements would invovle more strain? I really would like to know.
@ShadowsFrost helps to loosen your feet up a bit, so less tension on them, plus you get a little automatic rebound from doing the motion itself. basically it just fees your feet up to get a second hit with less effort. think of hit 1 as 1.0, hit 2 as 2.0. Well with this, it's more like 1 + 0.5. So you save yourself a little strain. This then enables you to hit higher speeds with less effort/strain. Think of it in a similar way to how we try to get grove and flowing motion into our arms/hands.
In your opinion do you think the swivel technique would be more effective for double bass speeds around 130-160 bpm rather than just normal single strokes?
On my TMA dvd I explain starting heel down for control and when you go through the motions you'll find you'll be a ble to switch as you get comfortable.There is no right way its all about relaxing and controlling your feet
FYI I swivel when I cant control the pedals without
I dont see how this increases speed at all considering u still have to lift the pedal to hit the drum. Adding the swivel seems extremely unnessessary so please tell me exactly what it is sposed to help with and how
You've showed me this technique in person and you told me the story behind it. You should really be complimented on bringing drum footing (basically the heal-toe method) to the next level. Not only that, you can demonstrate how basically you get at least twice the speed or triple the speed with less work. That's what the concept of tools and techniques is all about!
You've showed me this technique in person and you told me the story behind it. You should really be complimented on bringing drum footing (basically the heal-toe method) to the next level. Not only that, you can demonstrate how basically you get at least twice the speed or triple the speed with less work. That's what the concept of tools and techniques is all about!
Good demonstration man. I gave this method a try and, it feels right - some how, it doesn't seem as fatiguing as some other methods. To every one else: there is of course no best or quick method for learning how to achieve fast double bass pedaling, what works for one may not work for another, it's all about personal preference.
i still dont get this technique... in the end you play single strokes, right? so why swivel when you could as well easily "drop" the foot straight on the pedal? Is this supposed to be some coordination training? other than heel toe this has no advantages as far as "multiple hits with 1 strole" (kind of) goes, or at least i dont see them... help appreciated
Hey tim, im not new in drumming, but i never learned technique for hands and my feets, so is it goodl to learn this foot technique from the beginning ? Or should i rather go step by step with the "normal" foot stuff?
george does not do it like that. as he said in a clinic in europe he does 2 hits before swiveling. like "boom boom swivel boom boom swivel" on 1 foot that is. for 2 feet duplicate (duh)
Now though....i don't want to swivel anymore and i work on getting this away from me....The reason for that is that after talking with some Doctors and Reading what Virgil and Dave Weckl had to say about this,i strongly believe it's NOT good for your knees and i don't want to take the risk.This is also the reason i never talk about this,never teach about this and also that's why i didn't mentioned anything on my DVD.
@888JimJam888 yes, practice, practice, practice and maybe someday we will match Tim or Kollias' speed. Axis Pedals definitely help in this (I NEED!!!). Having a good technique is mostly all, IMO. And yeah Im still perfecting my swivel at high BPM, ive experimented with swiveling just the left and swiveling both... I just end up doing whatever is needed to get the hit. ROCK ON TIM AND KOLLIAS!!!
Tim, ive been checking out a bunch of your videos and you have been explaining different techniques for the feet but what do you use the most or what is your favorite? heel toe, swivel, moeller?
Nice vid Tim, although one question, will it affect my drumming if I chose to instead of letting the feet "chase" eachother, I do the opposite? I mean, right/left out, left/right out and then right/left in, left/right in.
but when u watch george doing that you see that his toes don't lift off from the pedal but yours do... and he doesn't have a pattern like your "chasing" figure right there...it's pretty much more of a reflex i'd say and his patterns and knee moving vary a lot...
In extremut PETE was first but the technique has been around for ages.Gerry Brown demonstrated it for us at a drum clinic and said he just swivels his ankles real fast for endings
I was the first to break it down SLOWLY and demonstrted it for the web.
hahaha yeah true that. that dude is fast as fuck too...yeah Inferno from Behemoth would be better with the swivel..idk his good but i seen his drumming, the beaters dont come far back, but idk am just saying that he should try to get swivels down....yeah the few drummers that use swivels have fuckn amazing speed...i know how to swivel..its really not that hard...once you control the movement of your pedal with the swivels, from there ur pretty much done
haha its not man,..you just need to manipulate the pedal to fallow with ur swivels...yeah idk some people think its just moving ur foot side to side, but no man its really easy...its easier then playing heel down all the time..yeah man when i swivel its not that hard...well idk theres some exercises i do to do em really good
iv been playing about three months now and im trying to get my double bass faster. right now im at about 140 bpm at 32nd notes. does anyonw know if playing everyday is good or bad when trying to get faster?
it's not bad to play every day. I do, but you also need to give your muscles a rest whether your playing with your hip flexors or ankles. Mix it up every or other day. It's like working out at the gym, workout hard on one thing and the something else the next day or do the same thing lightly. You will soon feel the difference.
it all depends on how much you push yourself when you practice, practice till it burns but every other day because your muscle cells needs time to regenerate. On the off days try to resist the urge to go fast, maintain a relaxing speed for at least a hour. This is called muscle conditioning and it works.
thanks dude very helpful ill def do this. But iv noticed in the last few days that i never really start to feel any burn i just get to the point where im tired and cant go as fast and i get frustrated and give up after about two hours. but im new to the ankle technique and mostly just use my legs or hips or w/e. will it start to burn once im doing the ankles correctly?
well JleeD3, first its important that your both feet play at the same balance point on each pedal. Second playing heels-down will help you develop important muscles that will actually speed up your heels-up playing, and give you added control. Last and most important use Ankle weights as you play heels up and down til your foot's on fire. The next day when you play without them its like your foot's on clouds.
thanks for the help tim i have been trying to get this technique down solid im shure the explanation helped, also i was wonderin what you prefer you spring tension at and what kind of beaters do you have?
220-260 bpm,Im not sure if i need to work more on actually swiveling my feet or actually being able to play at high speed while swiveling my feet, does that make sense? In other words does the swivel motion by itself allow for the higher speed? Or are you acually able to play it regularly but you use the motion to make it more natural?
Generally I use swivel when I want more volume slow or fast is just to accept the rebound The 220-270 clips onmy dvd are done with the pump no swivel but I can swivel my righth at 150 and still be relaxed my left is catching up so the potential is there
Hey Tim, i saw that trailer for your DVD when you were using that pump technique with your feet. Do you think you could post a video explaining how that technique works? Right now I'm working with the 1-stroke per side swivel (as opposed to george's masterful 2), and I'm just curious about it. Thanks.
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i'm so sick of hearing about this asshole... he isn't that good, and he doesn't have a good grasp of this either..... yeah your fast doing your light footed double strokes....
Tell that to George Kollias. Why don't you two have a competition. You use double strokes, he'll use swivel. Let's see who can play faster. Oh and by the way, saying that Tim "isn't that good" is an ignorant statement. The guy holds world records for God's sake. What the hell records do you hold? Oh, and biggest shit talker of the year doesn't apply when it comes to drums.
George tiold me he tops out at 280 in singles and Im having a hard time locking in singles past 280 tried praxcticing with opening the gates which is 286 and its to hard tin singles easy in doubles
Give me 3 months playing extreme music ill lock in 300 in singles
nice tim, well ive been working on this technique since october and i practice like 6 hours a day on average, my freaking calves hurt lmao...i can go 260 singles but its just tapping and its not controlled, but its regular technique...sometimes when i start doing the swivel at i can make it go 260 but i cant seem to find how to control it that fast???? Like when you go 200-210 its more stomping so to speak...but it seems at high speed there is way less movement..
I am not Tim, but still i say: there is no best technique, it is better to learn many techniques. Every technique has its specific situation, where it is good to use. There is no super all around technique.
you're seriously over thinking it! It doesn't matter dude haha just find whatever works best for you and go with that. These aren't set in stone techniques.
also i have a question i play very fast double base but with no technique you know i use most the whole leg do you think it will make me to get on to this technique easie?
tim, i dont know whats the name of the technique i use. i leave my heel on the air and just leave 3 or 3.5 inches of my foot on the pedal. all i do is just try to make a double kick using my tendon (aquiles). sometimes i get it sometimes not. im looking for a new, easier technique, or how to improve mine. any ideas? (i dont quite get to like the swiveling) please answer
Tim, does the direction/order of your feet movement make a difference..? Because I know what you stated in the video, but I've been doing RF-Right, LF-Right, RF-Left, LF-Left. I just found it less of a brain destroyer when I was learning it, because one foot was basically 'shadowing' the other and it was also easier to link it in to the timing of the 8th notes as well.
Can anyone explain to me why you'd need to swivel your feet to achieve certain speeds? Plenty of people manage without it. It seems like an arbitrary movement that goes against the whole economy of motion philosophy.
technique is just the key. but music is the keyhole. you have to combine key and keyhole or else it doesn't make sense. a key without a keyhole is useless.
while those tough guys are out getting women and getting drunk, its the nerds at home practicing single strokes to a metronome :P however i think george kollias' left foot could persuade you that being a nerd can be cool >:(
so nerds are better than you at drumming? so how is getting drunk and getting cougars going for ya? this is just a pattern for using bass pedals. thats like saying that someone is a nerd because of the way they hold a fret on a guitar.
Hey again this is the REAL meowzer999, and just to let the truth be known, I did NOT write the "nerd" comment...apparently some dumbass with nothing better to do with his free-time is displaying his stupidity for all the world to see - why anyone would wanna do THAT defies all logic, but hey...and I actually DO play drums
On another note, Tim, have you heard of Charles Fisher's 'Off-Set' pedal? Companies like Pearl, Taye, and Sonor (especially Sonor) have in the past tried to violate his patents without necessarily violating them. (Sonor's Giant Step is a good example of that, though he let them continue to sell it- I believe the reason he didn't tell them to take all of it down is because he WANTS people to be thinking about its design. You can find it here: web.mac.com/kleidy1/Off-Set/Home.html
ChronoGXay 1 week ago
Considering some of the things I've studied in efforts to put more arbitrary values to stick heights and beater throws in an effort for a more perfect understanding of economy of motion regarding the use of the feet, while I think I'm starting to understanding the importance of swiveling the foot so as to mimic the Moeller whip, as executed with the hands, I still do not agree with swiveling being used when playing streams of notes because of a method I'm developing revolving around physics. :-/
ChronoGXay 1 week ago
how do you angle your hi hat like that
thelegoenginefreak 3 months ago
shoes on or off? when i do shoes on, they slip, but its akward for shoes to be off. I've seen lots of peopel with shoes off though.
Gr1zz3m 4 months ago
@Gr1zz3m
whatever works for you overall I play with the db drum shoes they are the MOST comfortable.
Tim
TimWaterson 4 months ago
@TimWaterson
thanks for replying man.
what are db drum shoes? sorry for taking up your time, keep on keepin on.
Gr1zz3m 4 months ago
@Gr1zz3m
There's a shoe company that makes drum shoes. I can't post links on YouTube, but you could use google to look up "DB Drum Shoes".
DaleStrickland 2 months ago
@DaleStrickland
thanks man. I've been playing barefoot lately, and developed a way to use the slide technique for double bass pedals. hopefully i can get those shoes though.
Gr1zz3m 2 months ago
Did George kollias really stop swivel foot because it was bad for his knees
blastmastertv 5 months ago
@blastmastertv
George Still swivels in all the vids ive seen of him
TimWaterson 4 months ago
do u think that this is better then heel toe, or the flat foot method? cause i just got me pearl doublebass and trying to find a way to do it lol
perry244 6 months ago
I can't do this worth shit!
Toadoe7 6 months ago
@Toadoe7
just takes patience and learning to control the pedals
TimWaterson 6 months ago
cut
watchyourst3p 6 months ago
@watchyourst3p
This is an OLD video and I was going to edit the parts
Im going to replace a lot of OLD vids with new HD
Tim
TimWaterson 6 months ago
Isn't the swivel technique bad for your feet
aspasiz 6 months ago
@aspasiz
why would swiveliing your ankles side to side be bad if it takes the tension of your ankles
I am NEVER tense when I do this
TimWaterson 6 months ago
@TimWaterson
Not bad for ankles but extreme swivelling bad for knees. That's what they say...
Imrez 6 months ago
Can I do 32nd notes on 250 bpm+ with this swivel technique. I noticed George Kollias has a different way of swivelling. Do I have to figure his technique to reach 280 or something?
funeral98 6 months ago
@funeral98
32 nd notes at 250 is 2000 bpm yikes
dont think I can even get that crazy with doubles....LOL
My right foot can do over 300 1/8ths relaxed but after a certain speed you are just controlling the rebound
watch the video response I posted
TimWaterson 6 months ago
@funeral98
32 notes @ 250 would be 2000 bpm YIKES
after a certain speed i catch the rebound.
Theres a clip showing my right foot going fairly fast in the video responses
TimWaterson 6 months ago
Respond to this video...
this clip shows the right foot notice after a certain speed Im just controlling the rebound
TimWaterson 6 months ago
thumbs up for George Kollias
DEATHMETALFANN 7 months ago
why didn't anybody notice that he is... Kai Hansen from Gammaray?!?
albertomassidda 8 months ago
it fits better to me to go (left) with the right food (right) with the left food and then (right) with the right food and then (left) with the left food.......is like going in and then out....i should stay with this because it fits better to me or i should try harder the chasing thing??
kyriacos93b 8 months ago
@kyriacos93b
There is no right way or wrong way.Whatever works for you i do MANY ways with my feet
Tim
TimWaterson 8 months ago
@TimWaterson ok thank you! :)
kyriacos93b 8 months ago
what kind of HHX ride is that??
confederateman 9 months ago
@confederateman
sabain HHx RAw dry ride 21" My BAby
TimWaterson 9 months ago
NEED EXPLANATION PLEASE :-)
Wow so many comments to go through.
Ok Can anyone explain to me what the swivel technique does as opposed to no swivel. What purpose does it serve? I thought that having extra movements would invovle more strain? I really would like to know.
Thanks
:)
ShadowsFrost 11 months ago
@ShadowsFrost helps to loosen your feet up a bit, so less tension on them, plus you get a little automatic rebound from doing the motion itself. basically it just fees your feet up to get a second hit with less effort. think of hit 1 as 1.0, hit 2 as 2.0. Well with this, it's more like 1 + 0.5. So you save yourself a little strain. This then enables you to hit higher speeds with less effort/strain. Think of it in a similar way to how we try to get grove and flowing motion into our arms/hands.
alexmothernorthyork 11 months ago
@alexmothernorthyork
Good reply Shadow
your right I ise it for morepower speed and endueance overall
Tim
TimWaterson 8 months ago
In your opinion do you think the swivel technique would be more effective for double bass speeds around 130-160 bpm rather than just normal single strokes?
BurnWithMeChannel 1 year ago
@BurnWithMeChannel
On my TMA dvd I explain starting heel down for control and when you go through the motions you'll find you'll be a ble to switch as you get comfortable.There is no right way its all about relaxing and controlling your feet
FYI I swivel when I cant control the pedals without
TimWaterson 1 year ago
George kollias
kornfan0001 1 year ago
I dont see how this increases speed at all considering u still have to lift the pedal to hit the drum. Adding the swivel seems extremely unnessessary so please tell me exactly what it is sposed to help with and how
juststaydead 1 year ago
You look like Geddy Lee
jollywood999 1 year ago 5
Goddamn you suck. Sorry.
iwillwait 1 year ago
lovin' the throne man.
xJUNNiEx 1 year ago
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You've showed me this technique in person and you told me the story behind it. You should really be complimented on bringing drum footing (basically the heal-toe method) to the next level. Not only that, you can demonstrate how basically you get at least twice the speed or triple the speed with less work. That's what the concept of tools and techniques is all about!
DJRBergen 1 year ago
You've showed me this technique in person and you told me the story behind it. You should really be complimented on bringing drum footing (basically the heal-toe method) to the next level. Not only that, you can demonstrate how basically you get at least twice the speed or triple the speed with less work. That's what the concept of tools and techniques is all about!
DJRBergen 1 year ago
Good demonstration man. I gave this method a try and, it feels right - some how, it doesn't seem as fatiguing as some other methods. To every one else: there is of course no best or quick method for learning how to achieve fast double bass pedaling, what works for one may not work for another, it's all about personal preference.
BitterDawn 1 year ago
I'm experiencing several problems. I play Axis longboards btw...
1. I tend to slide off of the pedals.
2. I'm not getting good hits out of it, even going slow
3. It feels really unnatural.
Is it the configuration on my pedal, or is swivel just not my way of playing faster ...
Tom, Belgium
666xNemesisx666 1 year ago
i still dont get this technique... in the end you play single strokes, right? so why swivel when you could as well easily "drop" the foot straight on the pedal? Is this supposed to be some coordination training? other than heel toe this has no advantages as far as "multiple hits with 1 strole" (kind of) goes, or at least i dont see them... help appreciated
DarkFottloch 1 year ago
@DarkFottloch Allows you to use different muscle groups, to hit faster and harder.
JamesTheWench 1 year ago
Hey Tim are ur pedals on a surface that is at an angle?
IonRocker5000 1 year ago
Hey tim, im not new in drumming, but i never learned technique for hands and my feets, so is it goodl to learn this foot technique from the beginning ? Or should i rather go step by step with the "normal" foot stuff?
m0nchichi 1 year ago
Tim how tight is the tension on your pedels?
kohlllll 1 year ago
tim whos better u or george k.
ChrisAdlerWannaBe 1 year ago
heel toe is gay IT IS GAY!!!!! SWIVEL IS THE BEST TEQ. HEEL-TOE IS THE BEST
ChrisAdlerWannaBe 1 year ago
Huh. Didn't really know this was a common technique..I just did it sometimes for rhytm support..Cool (;
Oerger89 1 year ago
george does not do it like that. as he said in a clinic in europe he does 2 hits before swiveling. like "boom boom swivel boom boom swivel" on 1 foot that is. for 2 feet duplicate (duh)
MASSRCOR 1 year ago
On Georges NEW dvd he does swivel one note per side with the left.
This is just one method FROM 2006
on my TMA DVD i explain 1, 2, 3 notes per side
Tim
TimWaterson 1 year ago
@TimWaterson oh ok, i didnt see that one... and ill definitely believe the WFD. Rock on Tim \m/
MASSRCOR 1 year ago
@TimWaterson How many notes per swivel do you prefer?
Br0k3M3xican 1 year ago
you all should read what George said on his forum
Now though....i don't want to swivel anymore and i work on getting this away from me....The reason for that is that after talking with some Doctors and Reading what Virgil and Dave Weckl had to say about this,i strongly believe it's NOT good for your knees and i don't want to take the risk.This is also the reason i never talk about this,never teach about this and also that's why i didn't mentioned anything on my DVD.
So just go ankle motion guys!
scaxxomaxx 1 year ago
@MASSRCOR
yeah swivel kicks ass... All though i practise with both for know i use my left as swivel to offset the speed diffrence in my left and right foot
888JimJam888 1 year ago
@888JimJam888 yes, practice, practice, practice and maybe someday we will match Tim or Kollias' speed. Axis Pedals definitely help in this (I NEED!!!). Having a good technique is mostly all, IMO. And yeah Im still perfecting my swivel at high BPM, ive experimented with swiveling just the left and swiveling both... I just end up doing whatever is needed to get the hit. ROCK ON TIM AND KOLLIAS!!!
MASSRCOR 1 year ago
@MASSRCOR yeah, he wouldn't be able to do 1 note then swivel then another note since at 280 he would probably hurt his leg
hiohio678 1 year ago
@hiohio678 haha yeah I know, 1 hit then swivel doesnt work at high bpm. do the 2 hit then swivel technique.
MASSRCOR 1 year ago
@MASSRCOR if he does 2 notes per swivel he isn't half as fast as he should be.
acapolypse 1 year ago
Does he realise he doesn't need to swiel his feet to do that?
It literally makes no difference...
WrongFuckedOverrated 1 year ago
how disrespectful of the snare drum to put your foot on it
MarkOfPower 1 year ago 39
@MarkOfPower
Ya I have to admint, on a classic piece like that, for shame! Blasphemeous!
Bow your head in shame Tim :)
LOL
The snare drum is the Kirpan for Drummers!
:)
ShadowsFrost 11 months ago
i love ur pedals...too bad i can't afford longboards :( >:(
WOLVES4842 1 year ago
Tim, ive been checking out a bunch of your videos and you have been explaining different techniques for the feet but what do you use the most or what is your favorite? heel toe, swivel, moeller?
Hyperdrmr 1 year ago
My fav. technique.
0mgitsc0urtney 1 year ago
HAHAHAH
Archeron33 1 year ago
wow, the demos are pretty sloppy..
Blacklorigine 1 year ago
Tim i have to ask the same question about the spring tension. How tightened should your pedals be?
codyraines1 2 years ago
How tightend should you have your pedals if you use this techniqe?
MALSIV 2 years ago
@MALSIV you should be able to use swivel on any tension springs you are just controlling the rebound see my crappiest pedal demo VIDEO
Tim
TimWaterson 1 year ago
do you start with your left foot?
MALSIV 2 years ago
How does this help with speed? is it like a variation on heel toe?
betterthanbarker 2 years ago
are you using boa pedals or axis whith black coating?
likestooplay 2 years ago
@likestooplay those are axis pedals, with some kind of slidingblockerthings
RustyBlade69 2 years ago
hmm...looks to much like work to me haha...think i'll stick with the heel-toe
death7601 2 years ago
How should I practice this techique because I use the heel-toe alot
felixayala05 2 years ago
Nice vid Tim, although one question, will it affect my drumming if I chose to instead of letting the feet "chase" eachother, I do the opposite? I mean, right/left out, left/right out and then right/left in, left/right in.
Bearthoughts 2 years ago
whatever works for you it the same just starting at a different time still singles 2 times on each foot turns into doubles
Tim
TimWaterson 2 years ago
hmm.. its up to you. ahahaha joke
elizaga06 2 years ago
that was a freaking Thumb MIddle xD
15975322 2 years ago 6
but when u watch george doing that you see that his toes don't lift off from the pedal but yours do... and he doesn't have a pattern like your "chasing" figure right there...it's pretty much more of a reflex i'd say and his patterns and knee moving vary a lot...
LHondrums 2 years ago
I only lift my toes slightly for power at slower tempos.
Tim
TimWaterson 2 years ago
Who created this? Wasnt it pete sandoval? Because im always having arguements with my friends because they think its george kollias?
250bpmshaun 2 years ago
In extremut PETE was first but the technique has been around for ages.Gerry Brown demonstrated it for us at a drum clinic and said he just swivels his ankles real fast for endings
I was the first to break it down SLOWLY and demonstrted it for the web.
Tim
TimWaterson 2 years ago
Thank you :)
ManuelCollinsBarud 2 years ago
best swivelers
george kollias
derek roddy
tim yeung
Damnator117 2 years ago
In extreme music I agree
GEORGE is definately the cleanest
But you for got PETE the feet he was doing this before any of these guys were even around
Tim
TimWaterson 2 years ago
hahaha yeah true that. that dude is fast as fuck too...yeah Inferno from Behemoth would be better with the swivel..idk his good but i seen his drumming, the beaters dont come far back, but idk am just saying that he should try to get swivels down....yeah the few drummers that use swivels have fuckn amazing speed...i know how to swivel..its really not that hard...once you control the movement of your pedal with the swivels, from there ur pretty much done
Damnator117 2 years ago
George Kollias is the best in swivel foot!!! But its a HARD technique... I don't know what you are talking about!!!
FutileExistence 2 years ago
haha its not man,..you just need to manipulate the pedal to fallow with ur swivels...yeah idk some people think its just moving ur foot side to side, but no man its really easy...its easier then playing heel down all the time..yeah man when i swivel its not that hard...well idk theres some exercises i do to do em really good
Damnator117 2 years ago
I know that it isn't moving your feet side to side, that's why its complicated!!!
FutileExistence 2 years ago
I thought Kollias was pronounced "Kou-lee-as" whereas you said "Kou-lie-as"
FutileExistence 2 years ago
cool vid man. i really like you and your vids. i know your not a metal drummer but your still one hell of a drummer. 5 stars man
mikecannonn 2 years ago
iv been playing about three months now and im trying to get my double bass faster. right now im at about 140 bpm at 32nd notes. does anyonw know if playing everyday is good or bad when trying to get faster?
JleeD3 2 years ago
it's not bad to play every day. I do, but you also need to give your muscles a rest whether your playing with your hip flexors or ankles. Mix it up every or other day. It's like working out at the gym, workout hard on one thing and the something else the next day or do the same thing lightly. You will soon feel the difference.
tmendoza619 2 years ago
it all depends on how much you push yourself when you practice, practice till it burns but every other day because your muscle cells needs time to regenerate. On the off days try to resist the urge to go fast, maintain a relaxing speed for at least a hour. This is called muscle conditioning and it works.
andre5336 2 years ago
thanks dude very helpful ill def do this. But iv noticed in the last few days that i never really start to feel any burn i just get to the point where im tired and cant go as fast and i get frustrated and give up after about two hours. but im new to the ankle technique and mostly just use my legs or hips or w/e. will it start to burn once im doing the ankles correctly?
JleeD3 2 years ago
well JleeD3, first its important that your both feet play at the same balance point on each pedal. Second playing heels-down will help you develop important muscles that will actually speed up your heels-up playing, and give you added control. Last and most important use Ankle weights as you play heels up and down til your foot's on fire. The next day when you play without them its like your foot's on clouds.
andre5336 2 years ago
thanks for the help tim i have been trying to get this technique down solid im shure the explanation helped, also i was wonderin what you prefer you spring tension at and what kind of beaters do you have?
burythebody666 2 years ago
wts with the random drum clicking,
mikeybleh 2 years ago
is it better to have tight springs or loose springs for this technique?
onesickbastard 2 years ago
Why is it drummers like George respect what i do and drummers who cant comprehend just criticize
Tim
TimWaterson 2 years ago
220-260 bpm,Im not sure if i need to work more on actually swiveling my feet or actually being able to play at high speed while swiveling my feet, does that make sense? In other words does the swivel motion by itself allow for the higher speed? Or are you acually able to play it regularly but you use the motion to make it more natural?
net200777 2 years ago
Generally I use swivel when I want more volume slow or fast is just to accept the rebound The 220-270 clips onmy dvd are done with the pump no swivel but I can swivel my righth at 150 and still be relaxed my left is catching up so the potential is there
Tim
TimWaterson 2 years ago
Hey Tim, i saw that trailer for your DVD when you were using that pump technique with your feet. Do you think you could post a video explaining how that technique works? Right now I'm working with the 1-stroke per side swivel (as opposed to george's masterful 2), and I'm just curious about it. Thanks.
MetalheadJC926 2 years ago
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i'm so sick of hearing about this asshole... he isn't that good, and he doesn't have a good grasp of this either..... yeah your fast doing your light footed double strokes....
justifiablehomocide 2 years ago
Tell that to George Kollias. Why don't you two have a competition. You use double strokes, he'll use swivel. Let's see who can play faster. Oh and by the way, saying that Tim "isn't that good" is an ignorant statement. The guy holds world records for God's sake. What the hell records do you hold? Oh, and biggest shit talker of the year doesn't apply when it comes to drums.
MetalheadJC926 2 years ago
George tiold me he tops out at 280 in singles and Im having a hard time locking in singles past 280 tried praxcticing with opening the gates which is 286 and its to hard tin singles easy in doubles
Give me 3 months playing extreme music ill lock in 300 in singles
Tim
TimWaterson 2 years ago
nice tim, well ive been working on this technique since october and i practice like 6 hours a day on average, my freaking calves hurt lmao...i can go 260 singles but its just tapping and its not controlled, but its regular technique...sometimes when i start doing the swivel at i can make it go 260 but i cant seem to find how to control it that fast???? Like when you go 200-210 its more stomping so to speak...but it seems at high speed there is way less movement..
net200777 2 years ago
i dont understand from his verbal explaination but i do from his visual lol.
whatever.
N33dl3d 2 years ago
whats that covering his bass drum pedals?
kingpin8393 2 years ago
Tim what do you think is the best technique overall for the average drummer?
BTeeper 2 years ago
I am not Tim, but still i say: there is no best technique, it is better to learn many techniques. Every technique has its specific situation, where it is good to use. There is no super all around technique.
Kimmo788 2 years ago
ya i really want to excel in the swivel technique, it seems really fast
BTeeper 2 years ago
that's it...
disg0rge 2 years ago
some have said that the swivel technique causes health problems if done wrong.. i just wouldnt do it my feet are too important
massive0random 2 years ago
Not true. Only if you tense your knees when you do it, which is a natural tendency in order to try and get consistent strokes. Just relax, yo.
MetalheadJC926 2 years ago
try every technique, whatever suits you best really, there isn't a best technique.
ReeceRAWR 2 years ago
i have a quetion too.
im right handed so starting with my right foot, is it
IN(right), OUT(left), IN(right), OUT(left) or is it
IN(right), IN(left), OUT(right), OUT(left) ????
he did both of those patterns in this video so im confused
eisuke120 2 years ago
you're seriously over thinking it! It doesn't matter dude haha just find whatever works best for you and go with that. These aren't set in stone techniques.
skater15153 2 years ago
ok thanks!
ill go with whatever feels right to me then! （＾ω＾）
eisuke120 2 years ago
Skater is right just do what feels good for you
Tim
TimWaterson 2 years ago
ok thats good cuz sum1 told me that cuz they ruined there ankles and i got scared of useing this technique
shankerman10 2 years ago
hope u all know doing this motion causes damage to the ankles and tendons if u do it to much...
shankerman10 2 years ago
Swiveling can only cause damage if you are too tense you are supposed to be relaxed and go with the flow
Tim
TimWaterson 2 years ago
maybe this is a silly question: why does one need to swivel? what advantage does it offer over not swivelling?
ibonyun 2 years ago
it requires less energy than using straight single strokes.
so it really helps with your endurance.
and also you get almost the same amount of power as the straight single strokes.
the disadvantage (my personal opinion) is that it's a bit hard to adjust the space between each notes.
eisuke120 2 years ago
What is that stuff on the pedal for grip? is that rubber or something? i was thinkin bout putting grip tape on my pedals
kentsmedblom 2 years ago
yeah, i think that is grip tape..
karstd 2 years ago
the swivel is such a great technique, develops power, speed, and consistency at the same time
MetalheadJC926 2 years ago 2
also i have a question i play very fast double base but with no technique you know i use most the whole leg do you think it will make me to get on to this technique easie?
mariosdr1000 2 years ago
Yes. Absolutely. But better check George Kollias. He's the God of This technique (the best technique for double bass).
petersinol 2 years ago
hey men i love you!!!!!!i get the feeling of the exercice you know and i think it makes the exercice alot easier!!!!!!greetings from greece
mariosdr1000 2 years ago
tim, i dont know whats the name of the technique i use. i leave my heel on the air and just leave 3 or 3.5 inches of my foot on the pedal. all i do is just try to make a double kick using my tendon (aquiles). sometimes i get it sometimes not. im looking for a new, easier technique, or how to improve mine. any ideas? (i dont quite get to like the swiveling) please answer
fs04pro 2 years ago
derreck roddy plays flat foot
yoyojkt 2 years ago 2
Tim, does the direction/order of your feet movement make a difference..? Because I know what you stated in the video, but I've been doing RF-Right, LF-Right, RF-Left, LF-Left. I just found it less of a brain destroyer when I was learning it, because one foot was basically 'shadowing' the other and it was also easier to link it in to the timing of the 8th notes as well.
Keep up the good work Tim.
Larz1000000 2 years ago
It makes no difference if you start left or right whichever you are comfortable with
my right foot natural swivels to the left
Tim
TimWaterson 2 years ago
Such a bad movie!
PaWSpitfire 2 years ago
I think it's fucking awesome how this guy is teaching metal techniques and shit hahaha fucking beast.
dipschmidt2 2 years ago
No because george kollias was doing it before anyone else.
250bpmshaun 2 years ago
Actual George was doing doing a different swivel when I first talked to him.
I told drummers I got this from JAZZ drummers but i tried to incorporate it into paterns not just to try to play a fast roll
NOW George is doing the same type swivel on his NEW dvd for exreme speed
FYI the first extreme drummer using this type swivel was PETE SANDOVAL
TimWaterson 2 years ago
But in one of his videos he says he was the first person doing it? Thats all i was saying.
250bpmshaun 2 years ago
mm baby model those feets
beastrevor 2 years ago
Is that a custom drum throne, or is it just that I've never seen it before? Please let me know if anyone can tell. Thanks.
Great video Tim, as always!
PaganWarDrummer 2 years ago
It's the drumframe created by Bob Gatzen. You should check it out!
NicholasJamesWells 2 years ago
wew.., dancers can learn this faster than me.,
TheLABABO 2 years ago
does anybody know if those pads on his pedals are called axis toe risers?
MetalDrummer09 2 years ago
Just thought I'd say this: He looks like a blonde Geddy Lee to me >_>
Ninjuggla 2 years ago
Lol it annoys me at the end how hes saying something and it just cuts out
mikebrew150 2 years ago
is it really easy
XsitogrinderX 2 years ago
you have to start really slowly (i started at 110 bpm), and than increase your speed for 5-10 bpm
Valhalawaitsme 2 years ago
I also like getting dirt on my snare drum
hemplantt 2 years ago
i just tried this technique out with socks mind u...and i actually got a little bit of speed ....i might go with this technique!
m0nk3yh3al3r 2 years ago
this is the crappest drum explanation vid ever
lol
MrJoeyMonster 2 years ago
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Double bass pedels are like cheating
PlasticExplosive123 2 years ago
lol....
Laurenan69 2 years ago
hahahahahahahahahaha
drumminsteve 2 years ago
Can anyone explain to me why you'd need to swivel your feet to achieve certain speeds? Plenty of people manage without it. It seems like an arbitrary movement that goes against the whole economy of motion philosophy.
senseoftaste 2 years ago
rotations are something that this universe likes very much
neoideo 2 years ago
You use two different sets of muscles.
You can have more endurance with swivel as you "share" the effort between muscles.
m1ndvirus 2 years ago 3
lol 2:40 fast forward??
TheWolverine7 2 years ago
naw the sounds of the bass remains the same all throughout
stormblazt90 2 years ago
i know it looks like it though
TheWolverine7 2 years ago
just an fyi, when Kollias does it he only swivels 1 foot when he's using both feet and (of course) just one foot when using just his one foot.
edgecrushers 2 years ago
thanks tim, glad you credit george kollias
paistedw762 3 years ago
anthraxsnax you're a simple boy.
sevege76 3 years ago
technique is just the key. but music is the keyhole. you have to combine key and keyhole or else it doesn't make sense. a key without a keyhole is useless.
you guys know where i'm going with this?
:)
LHondrums 3 years ago 2
heheh that sounded dirty :P
azzam111 3 years ago
you shouldnt practice it like that, it should come naturaly
dirkslater 3 years ago
nice two stripes. love the look!
sand4wiches2001 3 years ago
This technique feels so funky when you play double bass in triplets. I LOVE IT!!!
grindcorerave 3 years ago
anybody who plays like this is a nerd!
while those tough guys are out getting women and getting drunk, its the nerds at home practicing single strokes to a metronome :P however i think george kollias' left foot could persuade you that being a nerd can be cool >:(
anthraxsnax 3 years ago
so nerds are better than you at drumming? so how is getting drunk and getting cougars going for ya? this is just a pattern for using bass pedals. thats like saying that someone is a nerd because of the way they hold a fret on a guitar.
TSyoutubin 3 years ago
he cant play drums. he's just a nerd
meowzer999 3 years ago
fuck u fag ur just mad cause u cant pleh teh drums
adrianbustillos 3 years ago 2
Hey again this is the REAL meowzer999, and just to let the truth be known, I did NOT write the "nerd" comment...apparently some dumbass with nothing better to do with his free-time is displaying his stupidity for all the world to see - why anyone would wanna do THAT defies all logic, but hey...and I actually DO play drums
...Philthy Animal Taylor, Paul Cook, yeah
meowzer999 3 years ago
Thanks for explaining this. I always wondered how those dudes were moving that fast. I'm a single kick guy, so never really experemented with it
justin2535 3 years ago
so, im practicing this technique and i like it. im curious though, is the idea that the "swivel" forces you to