PBS - FRONTLINE "Behind Taliban Lines" Part 1 of 4

[Warriorskillz]

just bomb that place to hell already



[Kefkadet]

The US mission was to cripple Al Qaeda, which we did with our initial invasion. For some reason the US decided to nation build, while simultaneously invading Iraq. Now we have a debate over the US budget and how to compensate US miltary retirees....I wonder why?

[voodoomanboy]

@ArtificialRed1083 sorry but even "liberal douche hippie fags" have a right to voice their opinion. You can't pick and choose who the 1st Amendment applies to, otherwise that is fascism.

[matematika3]

These terrorist earlier or later! are going to die all from an apache or ac-130!

[suevushka]

For those who found this entertaining, in an ironic way, watch Dispatches: Behind Enemy Lines. Same stuff but with additional footage. Particularly funny was when the young guy is told not to drink water out of a pot, "but there's no glass." Then these guys take a bath, "even the shampoo doesn't foam up." Too too funny.

[phillybrazilian]

what language are they speaking?

[dominic970]

What is the US main objective in Afghanistan?

[icannotfly]

@dominic970 all we've really been told so far is "win"

[XdemonbearX]

@dominic970 we want to establish democracy because after the Taliban took over in 1998, the people considered them rather oppressive. and us being the great and almighty USA, we had no choice but to get involved.

[XLValenciaXL]

I am american, LET THESE PEOPLE LIVE AND BRING OUR TROOPS HOME! WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO INTRUDE ON THEIR LAND! WE ARE FORGETING ABOUT OUR OWN PEOPLE! WE HAVE PEOPLE LIVING ON THE STREETS IN OUR OWN COUNTRY WITH OUT FOOD AND SHELTER! BRING THE TROOPS HOME!

[Rentonboyo]

@XLValenciaXL You're right. It's time for running away to help Americans deal with their problems...

[usmcgunner58]

@XLValenciaXL youre a coward and uneducated. Dont you DARE try and speak for us

[spmcc86]

LOL, these men claim to fighting in the name of Islam against the "so called" unbelievers. These apparently dn't know shit about the religion they claim to be fighting for. Their commanders prob just say it's a religious war just cause they know that uneducated retards like these men will come and fight for them.

[SabaeanYared]

@spmcc86 ...they know it's a religious war because 30 foreign armies invaded their country and are desperately trying to change their religious and cultural values....that is enough to see, it doesn't matter what their commanders tell them after that. What if i came into America and gave you a million dollars to join my communist movement against other americans, would you do it? or would you fight me and tell me to get lost???

[berlinkeks]

@SabaeanYared : The thing is, that the area that is now called "Afghanistan" was long before bloody conquered by different cultures - it was long ago part of the Persian empire, and the Buddha statures that have been demolished in a barbarian act of ignorance proofed that there has been even religious freedom, too. As result of the civil war after the Russian invasion, all of the civilisational progress was lost and the country became an easy target for Pakistani Taliban - the real Invaders!

[helpless911]

Great documentary!

[charlesaferg]

That younger kid must be mentally deficient, he was smiling when the "scholar" was trying to teach him the Quran, and just kept on smiling after getting angrily slapped in the face. Morons. All of them, brainwashed morons.

[Schnitzelfreaks]

@charlesaferg Its like all the americans :DDDD

[vvvmtlvvv]

@charlesaferg I'm sure he was smiling because there was a camera pointing in his face while he was reciting it.

[suevushka]

@charlesaferg Well, they were *both* laughing. Kinda like a Jackass movie. Besides, that kid knows that it's very important that your hair looks good before you die in jihad. And I'm not kidding! I want my hair to look good before I die too.



[DRGgang2]

4:22 that guy looks like Fidel Castro if he was young.

[BeigeFunk]

Big respect to Najibullah. He really risked his life to show us this awesome ducmentary.

[TheElephant79]

These guys are the biggest shittalkers ever !

[Alladin1984]

Whats up with the Adolf Hitler/George Michael mustache :p

[berlinkeks]

@Alladin1984 Sorry, if i don't understand your comment - do you mean the afghan reporter Mr. Najibullah Quraishi? Do you have any problems with Mr. George Michael? And where is "Adolf" so far?

[immortalass]

im having problems deciding whether journalist dude is a hero or out of his mind

[berlinkeks]

@immortalass Like many journalist, he's mad for publicity! So he had no problems risking his life or that of the team members! Anyway the insurgents portrayed are NOT real Taliban - they are the struggling rest of the mujaheddin from the Hezb-i-Islami party, that fought against the Soviets and felt overlooked as was about sharing the bounty and the reign over the country. They are Pashtun allies to the (Pakistani) Taliban.

[immortalass]

@berlinkeks

as a journalist its his job to tell the story, and this is a major, major story. this is a great inside, closeup look at these guys. so i get where hes coming from, why hed do it. but still, i wouldnt have risked getting my head cut off, or getting bombed by the americans for it.

[imjoemama]

at 6:38 he says they beat russia and russia is stronger than america the only reason they beat russia is beacuse we gave them stingers and intelegence

[SouthernBasterd]

that kid at 7:00 is high as shit!! No wonder the kill themselves all the time!

[4jai2brons0n]

at 3:28 that isn't even a "tank"

[berlinkeks]

@4jai2brons0n : Yep! These brain-diaper-wearers are even to stupid to make out it's a trailer wreck! Must be the dope!

[MegaHungrybear]

This explains perfectly why the Taliban are bad. They want to fight us not only because we are Americans, or because we are invaders, but because we are not Muslim. All people should be free to believe as they wish. The Taliban and other fighting groups are often shielded from scrutiny because it is labeled as a culture movement, or a fight for freedom. belonging to a certain culture or religion does not give you right to kill in the name of that religion. they must be defeated.

[Mrbobab]

@MegaHungrybear

I do not know why you did not hear what they said correctly. Did not you see that kid who said that he will put down his weapons if the foreign troops leaved their land?

[berlinkeks]

@Mrbobab : Nope - they will not even think about putting down any weapon! They [the tribes] killed each other even before the so-called "invasion" of the western alliance! Remember the "civil-war" after the soviet retreat, or as the "taliban" fought they way to Kabul! The war will go on - if the ISAF will leave the country all of the improvements (almost equal right for women, schools, infrastructure) will vanish, and the war mongers will reach again for the power!

[CMKify]

"I'll carry my weapon as long as the Americans are here. It will stay on my shoulder until the non-believers go home."

they wont attack us in our land. they just want us out. why cant we just listen to them?

[deMoutonnoir]

@joe80dman

You will NEVER leave the Arab world alone which is why you are getting resistance. Stop being an imperialist bully and you will end the resistance. Remain an ignorant supporter of your gvt. and expect continued resistance. fighting occupation and oppression is no different than what anyone else would do.

[berlinkeks]

Hi there,

thanx a lot for your comments!

btw. Be aware, that if you are not yet in my "Friends-list" all of your comments have to be permitted through me... ;-)

So you don't need to post your comments twice...it's all okay so far!

[itlphoenix]

To my great surprise virtually ALL of the spoken language was Persian. There is no explainable reason that a group being represented as Taliban/Hesbi fighters would all be speaking Persian in an area where Persian language is virtually unknown. There is even a new fighter introduced whom it is claimed just recently came down from Uzbekistan. He speaks Persian. This is a staged act by none other than PBS. I guess they figured nobody in the USA would ever be the wiser. Something is going on here.

[berlinkeks]

@itlphoenix: Good to know, I'm not so in this areas spoken language - for me it's all sounds the same! ;-P

But better have glimpse at Wikipedia:

"Persian (local names: فارسی, Farsi IPA: [fɒːɾˈsi]; or پارسی, Parsi IPA: [pɒːɾˈsi], see Nomenclature) is an Iranian language within the Indo-Iranian branch of the Indo-European languages. It is widely spoken in Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and to some extent in Iraq, Bahrain, and Oman."

[joe80dman]

We never had a problem with these Islamic countries until we allowed the Israelis to dictate our foreign policy concerning Middle East issues. I suppose these Islamic "extremists" have no where else to turn to. The US should be an honest peace broker in this region, and not play sides.

[berlinkeks]

@joe80dman:

I suppose your focus is to much on the effects not on the cause! Do you know the Koran, the Hadiths and the Sunna? This is the base for the Islamic terrorism! The "Orthodox" Taliban only live the Islam by heart - they are only doing what their "Prophet" demands from them - CONQUER the "Infidel" World! You know the name in Arabic for the area where there is no Islamic Reign? It's Dar al-Harb (Arabic: دار الحرب "house of war")!

[joe80dman]

@berlinkeks: I don't know anything about the Arabian languages, or the Koran for that matter. If I had my way about it, they would stay in their respective countries, and I'll stay in mine. I leave them alone, and I expect them to leave me alone. Simple, I know, but very effective at keeping peace.

[berlinkeks]

Yes, this could be a nice solution - BUT the fundamentalist among the followers of Muhammad are already in the midst of OUR civilization! The multicultural-left-wing-social­ists flooded OUR countries with these economic migrants from northern Africa to Asia Minor, even from Afghanistan! Especially Germany, Great Britain, France, Belgium and the Netherlands were overrun for their generous policy of granting asylum and welfare - ignoring the consequences for the autochtonous population!

[joe80dman]

@berlinkeks: Then it is up to us to send them back to where they have come from. In turn we will have all of our native countrymen returned home from their nations. Diversity breeds mistrust, divisiveness, and conflict. Multiculturalism is a catastrophe waiting in the wings of any nation that practices it.

[berlinkeks]

Yes...if that will be so easy, my brother!

First we have to cut the power of these "self-declared democrats" in the governments! I salute to the people of Switzerland - they will do their way it has to be -plebiscitary! All power comes from the people! Which is, in fact not the case in most of the countries in the world!

We have a saying here in Germany:

"Politicians are like pigeons - when they are hungry they eat you out of your palm, when they're in power, they shit you on the head!"

[joe80dman]

@berlinkeks: Your outlook on "politicians being like pigeons", is a very accurate analogy. Today's politicians are usually placed in power by very influential, and wealthy financiers. In essence they're lapdogs to the desires of these men, and not of their constituents. The countries of Europe, and North America, are being swamped with 3rd World entrants for a desired outcome. That is to destroy those nations from within. I applaud the Swiss, and only hope for other nations to do the same.

[MegaHungrybear]

@joe80dman No, it is not. What breeds problems is intolerance. Christians kill Christians. Muslims kill Muslims. All people of the same exact group still end up having certain issues. It is not different cultures that causes issues, it is the fight between murderous bastards who would kill in the name of a god, and those who would live in peace.

[zacky89]

And thats why the brits elected the conservative party

and David Cameron..

because of those weak democrats

[deMoutonnoir]

@joe80dman

You will NEVER leave the Arab world alone which is why you are getting resistance. Stop being an imperialist bully and you will end the resistance. Remain an ignorant supporter of your gvt. and expect continued resistance. fighting occupation and oppression is no different than what anyone else would do.

[berlinkeks]

@deMoutonnoir: Sorry for the very late approval - but didn't you read my message, that you don't have to post the same comments multiple times, because they need my approval first to be published, in case your not on my friends list?

Anyway, the worst "Imperialistic" influence is that of this so-called "religion of peace" that by itself demands the conquering of other territories, and to kill anybody who is not willing to bow to the "book and it's" -selfmade - "prophet"!

[4jai2brons0n]

@deMoutonnoir We invaded because you guys couldn't leave us alone. You attacked thousands of Americans just sitting in their offices minding their own business for no reason at all.

[berlinkeks]

@4jai2brons0n : It's not worth spending your time in discussing with these brainless fanatics!

[mayesticOne]

@4jai2brons0n USA just wants the gold and oil of asia... The bombing of WTC towers was done by US gowerment. US gov shows you how noth koreans are brainwashed to hide the truth that its you who is actualy brinwashed.

It is ovious to entire world what you are doing and that you have bombed your selves not alquaeda. USA gov, floods the tv and channels like discover how adanced you are and there few farmers whit ak-47 managed to steal a plane and fly it . Cmon..

[berlinkeks]

@mayesticOne You seem to be a pro in U.S. inner affairs - or who gave you the information, that it was "not a job done by Al Qaeda"? If you are really from Slovenia then you should remember the Balkan War and what Islamic fanatics have done to civilians!

btw. Better check your spelling next time, before posting a comment! It makes reading much easier! If you have problems with some nouns, there are lots of free online translator, with Google it's even possible to translate whole pages!

Thanks

[mayesticOne]

@berlinkeks Actualy Muslims did nothing to anyone from Balkan except Serbians. We lived whit Muslims in peace before Serbians started killing. Note srebrenica massacre done by Serbs upon Muslims so dont lecture me on balkan war.

And it's way way obvious that it was USA gov that bombed WTC etc.. They killed so many people that day just to get a reason to go to war. Also note by now USA prolly killed more civilians than Germans did in both world wars.

[berlinkeks]

@mayesticOne Even if it's Off-Topic, your sentence "...did nothing to...except Serbians..." shows me how fanatic you are - Serbian civilians are in your mind "less worth" or what? Search for the list of sentenced indictees of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia and you will find many of them are muslims (Bosniak or Alabanian)! Both sides committed war crimes against civilians!

Your "story" about 9/11 tends to be "hate speech" - which is in Germany actually a crime!

[mayesticOne]

@berlinkeks Dont really care about it all. Iv seen how the balkan war was fought, Serbian army moved from village to village killing croatian, slovenian, muslim civilians they couldnt really face the croatian army they kept loosing so they had to kill civilians muslims didnt kill serbian civilians that is a fact and you can see this for your self. Serbs are lowlifes solution to everything is kill for them nationalist fags they should rot in that hell hole.

[berlinkeks]

@mayesticOne Let me tell you something - your attitude "lowlifes solution" against Serbians - you are the same racist as those you ascribe to have that mindset! The reason why the Balkan war was fought merciless even against civilians was racism! The different ethnics could have been hold only together under Tito's brutal socialistic dictatorship - after that old hate came up again!

"muslims did not kill" - that's said while wearing racist blinders! Open your eyes for the truth - see the whole!

[immortalass]

@4jai2brons0n

oh come the fuck on. i have no sympathy for osama, but you can seriously think of "no reason at all" for religious muslims to feel kinda homicidal towards the US??

[berlinkeks]

@immortalass These lunatic haters need no reasons at all - they took their book of hate, skim some pages, pointing blind at a sentence, and they have their "orders"!

Islam is a mental illness - so don't thread the "believers" (better is "followers", because it's no real religion, it's more an fascistic ideology like "Scientology") as "normal" people! If a rabid bulldog runs off-leashed trough the town an kills children - would you say it's doing this because the victims "bothered" the monster?

[immortalass]

@berlinkeks

its not quite that simple dude

[berlinkeks]

@immortalass As a agnostic I have my problems with religions anyway - but I don't know any other "religion" as like the Islam is, that calls it follower in a unchangeable way of medieval terror and "way of life" to kill and repression of human rights, (esp. against women) only for "having a reserved place in paradise" (which is described as a wet dream from a mad patriarchal wanker full of willing virgins and all luxury)! The Muslims fight not for the material but for their "ethereal benefits"!

[immortalass]

@berlinkeks

I am an agnostic too, but you basically just described a christian crusader. That's I think the only point we disagree on, I don't think that there is something about Islam that makes it necessarily worse than the other religions. It is true that some extremely backwards and militant schools of Islam seem to be setting the tone right now, that much is obvious, but I think that the Muslims can fix it and change. Not the guys in this video though, that's for sure.

[berlinkeks]

@immortalass : There are many differences between Christianity and the Islam. First of all is that the bible is narrative not imperative like the Qu'ran. And the most important is that within the Christian church there has been a reformation, because it was recognized that the book has been written by humans, that it's not fixed, not given by an inerrant "over-being"! Only by this means was the development of nation with humanistic and democratic societies in the western world possible!

[berlinkeks]

@berlinkeks The Islam know no separation of society and religion - the sharia is relevant for everything in the life of a "believer"! As in medieval Europe the leaders in the political states are alway religious leaders, if not having been this before. So, Islamic "societies" are not comparable to western societies - it's a difference of 500 years of philosophical and thereby conditioned social evolution! Do yourself a favor and read the Qur'an (google) and the Hadiths - open your eyes dude!

[immortalass]

@berlinkeks

I realize that, but people ignore the stuff their religious books say all the time, they are just books and ideas, not hardwired hereditary programming. The Arab world was swept by socialism/nationalism in the 60s and 70s. The religious revival is a pretty recent thing and, I feel, not something that was inevitable or is irreversible. I agree that it is going to take time, but probably decades, not centuries. Catching up is always faster than doing something for the first time.

[berlinkeks]

@immortalass : Don't underestimate the power of the religious leaders - it's very naive to hope that the progress of the Islamic radicalization could be rolled back so easy, if ever! Exactly this attitude will lead the western societies into the abyss! The few "nationalistic" parties in the arab countries always integrate the reference onto the Islamic Creed - especially in those majority of the Arabic countries where Islam is the "State Religion"! Btw. Socialism always ends in dictatorships!

[berlinkeks]

@berlinkeks continue...

These migrants were never be forced to integrate themselves, to give a official confession to support the democratic laws, the "Basic Law" (kind of constitution in Germany), to give up their medieval rural structures . In addition to this, the "communities" grow much faster, not by migration, but by birthrate, which is almost four times higher as in western families! And most of these children grew up under the patriarchal conditions, coined by brutal violence and Islam!

[berlinkeks]

@immortalass But it's not about the oriental countries that causes the defeat of the democracy, it's the much to liberal-naive approach of the political leaders against the arab and turk migrants - e.g. those that came after the first waves of guest-workers to Germany! The felt "repelled", because their "patriarchal way of life" was in total contradiction to the modern western society - they isolated themselves and concentrated onto their common "Islamic values" and taught them their children!

[immortalass]

@berlinkeks

Yeah, thats true. The politicians absolutely need to accept that there is a problem with the migrants and fix it fast. But I think we're getting there, the problem has been all over the news lately and I don't think they can ignore it much longer. And I am optimistic that it isn't too late yet!

[berlinkeks]

@immortalass As described, such a reformation is absolutely impossible in the Islam - the Qu'ran in itself alleges it's infallibility, for it has been "given by Allah" to the "prophet" by "archangel Michael" - it demands from it's "believer" total subservience under the "laws and orders of Allah"! Any who disobey this is blamed as an apostate - which has to be punished without exception with death! Its's the constant threat of "the hell" for violation the "rules" vs. "promise of the paradise"!

[justanothersheeple]

only problem is frontline/pbs is state media here in the united states so we're seeing what they want us to see, i just watch it to see what kind of spin they're putting out, i'm sick of war

[berlinkeks]

@justanothersheeple:

I know this from my home country, here in germany the state media is by far worse than yours in the States! If there not trying to brain-wash the people with folk music and soap operas, they're broadcasting faked news, pro-islamic and pro-socialistic reports and so on....

If there wouldn't be the Internet, we Germans would all believe the lies of the mass medias!

[justanothersheeple]

yes, national public radio is the pacifist channel, you have to monitor it to see what their agenda is:o(