Everyone can agree on what a pen looks like and how it works. There's no controversy there. Among believers, there has never been any universal consensus on who/what 'God' is, as proven by endless debates and wars.
“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” (Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams.)
You believe in the pen, but then science prooves that it actually was a paint brush.
But the pen promised you eternal life, even though it is actually someone elses wishfull thinking. So, contrary to all the evidence, you keep on believing in the pen because you so want to go to heaven, imaginary as it is.
And er... no, we live in a 4D world! Not a 2D or 3D world.
@VonVladimierVoltar Science hasnt proved the pen is a paintbrush. you cant diss-proove God. And it was an analorgy (think thats spelt right) We can't see the spiritual relm around us.
Science HAS proven the Paintbrush, in many ways. Just DNA is sufficient prove of evolution. Not to mention geology, paleontology, biology, physics, etc.,
I can not dissprove 'god', simply because 'god' could have used the big bang and evolution to create.
But it is NOT the 'god' of the bible or koran or whatever book we created here in earth.
@VonVladimierVoltar noooo Scientific is that its just smudges over time and bits dropping onto the paper over time.
Science hasn't proven it, DNA is a launguage, and no known launguage exsists without a creator. DNA beeing the launguage of life. Geology is with young earth, saw a doctumentry on the natural history channel that there was a world wide flood about 4,000 years ago (comeing from athiests) and we've been saying this for years, Palaentology, and the rest can give many examples.
Listen kid, when I was your age I also believed and defended god. But then I grew up, experienced life, got an education and got a mature view of life.
With respect, you know nothing of life or the god you worship. First grow up and get an education to start with before mouthing of again about things you do not even begin to understand.
The we can discuss as adults. OK?
At least it explains you terrible spelling... you are just a kid.
He is a good example of how unscrupilous religious people manipulate and mess up children. Everything he says is just repitition of some deceiver's lies.
He has to walk his own path and discover how he has been lied to.
We can guide and show the obvious lies, but he has to understand this himself.
Hmm, a mystical sky daddy poofed us into existence or we slowly evolved? hmm which sounds more likely? magic.. or science? and that statistic was bullshit btw. its not by random chance, its natural selection. Those which are better suited to their environment survive better and are more likely to reproduce. Simple.
@LukeJ60 The good mutations help the things survive. yes it is random when it happens but them surviving and breeding is not. And adaption is evolution. The birds you are talking about had a mutation and that made them better suited to survive and thrive in their environment.
Almost, kiddo. Science is testing claims through repeatable observations. The *observations* must be able to be repeated, not the events that caused them. Example: the Hubble redshift is one of the clues that first led to the formulation of the Big Bang model (by a priest called LeMaitre). The Big Bang itself occurred only once, but the observation on the redshift can be repeated as many times as you like, and will give identical results each time.
yes there is a tiny chance of life , but in the infinitely expanding universe and possible multiverse's its a 1 in 100000000000000000 chance that life would not occur ..so your logic here is flawed. the origins of the universe and evolution are separate things. evolution has been proven with DNA alone, not to mention fossils and transitional forms etc. the origins of the universe is believed to be a simple state that expanded. if this is not true how does not knowing make god the default answer?
The is Scientific evidence in evolution, and Catholic Charles Darawin he discovered it. Hey i know the bible makes you dumb, but try researching before you try an argement. I'll try the bible way to make my point. Harry Potter beats Lord Voldemort in the book, it must be true even without evidence. lol
@supersaiyan3elite there is no Scientific evidence in evolution, evolution is a faith. it has no proof its all specualtion.
the difference between a book stated to be fiction versus a book written thousands of years ago predicting the future, claiming to be a valid souce of information. hmm hard choice. Also if you dissmiss the bible then why don't you dissmiss the other thousands of history documents we get all of our moder day understadning of history from?
@creationdebunked if u don't believe in god thn u don't believe tht he/she/GOD didn't need a creator, so u therefor cundredicted yourselve, by using an example tht u say is wrong
@yigoto yes it duz stupid, if u believe we evloved from monkeys (highly iliogical, proven to b impossible BY SCIENCE) thn u also believe in the big bang theory, becuase all other theories r religistict meaning the earth waz made by A GOD, and the god this video is tlking about made humans first, not monkeys, o and btw THE PEN IS REAL!!!!!!
@LukeJ60 that is true and no one ever said that it did, i suggest you research it more, the big bang theory isnt actually a bang at all. but of course you already know this ? hmmm guess not
Analogy #FAIL . You never saw a god make a world, so you don't know what a world made by a god would look like. Therefore, you have no way of distinguishing between a god made world and one that was made by natural processes. Only science provides us with a reasonable explanation that accounts for the evidence we see.
@freethinker923 Your like Jake from Adventure time when he lost his imagination, he said, and I quote "I cannot tell you something amazing, for there is nothing amazing happening around us that I can describe for you." To which Finn replied, "Dude, you totally suck now." I believe the same of you.
The human brain is programmed to believe that everything has a beginning and an end. This simply is not true. Many cosmologists believe that there have been countless big bangs and big crunches. All matter in the universe has always existed, it just changes forms through geologic time. We do not have to posit magic and tell our selves "goddunit". Time to grow up people.
@SkullVodka "All matter in the universe has always existed" Is false, With matter you need to measure it in time, you CANNOT have matter without time, if there is no time then the matter cannot exsist, becuase it needs to be counted for. Its like having a ruler that has no legnth... And time cannot have always exsitsed! if time was eternal. then we would never have reached this moment in time, 'coz it never had a start
If god doesn't need a creator, why does the universe need one. Matter cannot be created or destroyed, it can only change states. What if the universe has always existed ? Matter and energy are interchangeable there is no evidence to suggest that there was ever absolutely nothing. Only creationists think once there was nothing, a perfect god came out of nothing and created everything out of nothing.
@CreationDebunked With matter comes time and space. Which DID have a start, as for amtter, iv'e never heard from anywhere that matter can't be created or destroyed. Its Energy that Can't be destroyed or created. Time/space had a start, they CANNOT have always exsisted. therfore they had a start. God lives outside of our dimension, his power in our dimension would be energy/matter, God always exsisted. He is supernatural, the universe/life isnt. its complex, there is no way a cell created itself
Even if it were true that the chances of life spontaneously forming from naturally occurring protiens were 1 in 1,000,000,000, (the truth is, no one knows what the ratio would be. There's no way to test how probable the natural formation of life is) it would be irrevelant because of the fact that there are billions of stars in our galaxy alone. So based on your math, life would have formed without the benefit of a creator atleast once in this galaxy.
I find it really archaic to believe in a god/gods that have humanlike personalities. I find mankind to be really primitive and stupid at times, so why do people call their god perfect when he/she/it itself often (in their holy books) show the same feelings/do the same acts? Hate, love, disgust, the need to kill people he/she/it hates, giving orders that would be considered as inhuman and sick if a person gave those orders. This whole "perfec god" shit is just strange to me.
Firts I just wanna ask where you got this 1 out of 1,000,000,000 etc chanse of life ever emerging. Secondly dont try to describe big bang as "something out of nothing" its a really childish oversimplification. Its so easy for people who havent read anything about the different theories to just spew out half truths. Besides, if god dosent need a cause then why would the universe need it? Also why does this god have to be the christian god?
but right as i said im christian and stuff i just dont believe in stuff,, but i have something to say about it,, who create the pen (god),, who is the god in the first place ? what he used to create this ? how did he made the human ? and all that sort of stuff ? i suppose everyone believes what they want and thats theirs choise and you cant go against it because you never seen the truth with your on eyes ? but i got to say you good at making videos,, keep on doing these stuff :) i like watchin
You either belive Nothing created everything, or something always exsitsed
The universe HAD a start. Do you belive in cause and affect? God is that cause. God is an omnipresent beeing... He is outside of our universal laws. matter time and space, those 3 things HAD to have had a start, thy cannot be eternal. Whatever created Matter time and space, Doesnt not subject to the laws of M,T&S, and therfore can create matter time and space.
mate,, i meant to be a christian lol although i dont believe in stuff like that but you know music and this video you made is damn goos seriously i love it why wont you try to apply to be as youtube partner and try get some money of that ? :) i like the fact that you like feeder :) high fives mate
You know (pretty much) the biological definition of evolution. This means you must know that by definition it has been observed and tested in labs and in nature.
I wonder now, why did you make this straw man if you knew what evolution was.
ahem, no creature has ever been veiwd to gain information in the gene pool...
No fish has ever become a mammel, it cannot be tested repeated, observed, it is a theory.. not a fact
also missing about 70 billion fossils... i meen come on?! if an ape like creatue became a man. you would find thousands of fossils of the tranformation.. also, If everything evolves.. how would you explain grass?? Its still here yes.. but? after billions of years, grass could be soo much more... fruit? strawberries?
Yes it has, nylon eating bacterium and wall lizards evolving a cecal valve (and I can cite you source for both of those if you like).
You just defined evolution, and by that definition, it has been observed. So again, I have to ask, why are you creating straw men of evolution if you know what evolution really is?
70 billion fossils? Why are you missing that many? Because you say so? Nevertheless, we do find transitional fossils in many different lineages such as hominins, horses, whales, and birds (the list could go on).
The way I would explain grass is that it has found a niche to exploit. There is no reason for it to produce fruit; it is robust in the environment it is found in.
Yet you did define evolution in a biological context and got it mostly right. In addition, by the definition it has been observed and tested. Just because you think, it is BS does not make those facts away.
It seems like you are trying to have your cake and eat it too.
Second, the whole video is just two logical fallacies, one within another. The first one is a false dichotomy. You state that there are two opinions and being the pen (god) and the other evolution (which was the second fallacy because it was a straw man of evolution). It could be possible that both of those answers are wrong and there is a third that no one has thought up yet that is true.
Yes, our chances are slim be in such a perfect position from our sun & have our other bells & whistles, but when you consider the amount taking part in the lottery, someones going to win. Say an est 1 billion stars per galaxy to the est 100 billion galaxies. if the chances are 1/100 billion harbor life & suitable atmosphere on a planet. That's still 1 billion earths. & your hypothisis brings up a bigger question then it answers, but you hide him in your 'inconceivable' shroud.
AHHHHh I love those straw man.. So easy to detect that even a 12 years old kid could find that your example does not make any sence. Seems you IQ is lower than the one of a 12 years old though...
This is a dumb video. Its dumb because the analogy starting out with the pen is not correct. A pen DOES exist and everyone has seen one. Try using something to represent god that no one has never actually ever seen.. like a unicorn, leprechaun, bigfoot.. etc. Your logic skewed from the beginning.
@napavines wat its meant to represent is tht we are outside of God dimension, we are simple 2-D comapred to God in a 3-D world, we are flat on a pice of paper and cannt see outisde, meanwhile God is outside and can enter at any time he wants anywhere he wants and so watever he wants..
Not every athiest believes in the big bang if there is god, why would he let hundreds of thousands of innocent people die in the catastophic destruction of all human life except for seven people
i never said i was for evolution or creation i dont have the answers i was just giving you some thought provoking questions.
remember that youre a slave to chemical reactions in your brain.
if god is all knowing then why did he give us such a shit hole to live in. Surely he knew what it would become? I never even asked for life he just gave it me out of the blue, what a strange guy.
in order for the pen to exist there must be a factory that makes pens, your argument in this video proves nothing , just makes creationists look even dumber.
very good way to put it! its nice to know that there are some people that love god the way i do! and all you nonbelievers yes hes real no we havent seen him but look at all the stuff he left us! the bible, churches, even movie about him he is real as it gets.
Another indication is the prophecy of the life and death of the Messiah. It is proved to be written hundreds of years before Jesus Christ lived, and all of the prophecies were perfectly fulfilled. The whole New Testament is full of eye-witnesses of that. To me it is very clear... But I respect ppl who have different thoughts...
I also believe God created us. But I also think there is some kind of evolution. Creatures can change over time when placed in a different environment. But they will never become an animal of a different kind! This is what is proven. Besides that, humans can also change. People used to be a lot smaller then we are now, because we are better fed and we live in better circumstances. But like I said, a monkey will never become a human.
The "god made us" theory does not follow physics. Where did you get the number for the chance of evolution? And the odds of it happening are irrelevant in an infinite universe, for every 1 time there is evolution, there is
1, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times it isnt there.
I trust it because the bible is God inspired and was written by more than 40 (I don't remember an exact number) men, who most had never even met each other, and it was written over a period of about 3000 years!!! And on top of that there is not one contradiction!!! How could that even be possible without a higher being telling them what to say?!?!?! To me that is pretty convincing!!!
Since I believe in intelligent design I believe God created us like I said before. There might have been evolution for other creatures but humans haven't evolved over millions of years. In Genesis 2:7 it says "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
Then, I also believe God created us and every living thing. But creatures and human can actually envolve, but they stay the same kind. What I wanna say is: an animal can adjust to it's environment, but will never become an animal of a different kind. That's exactely what's been proven...
Besides that, human can also change. People used to be a lot smaller then we are now, because we are better fed and we live in better circumstances. But like I said, a monkey will never become a human.
You can never prove a believe, but there are some indications. Look at the nature and it's perfect balance. If something would be slightly different the earth wouldn't exist after such a long time. I don't believe that's all just coincidence. I believe Someone made it with greatest accuracy.
yes i completely agree!!! God had to have had a say in this! lol He does in everything else!!! :) but actually u're talking about adapting and not evolving...but yes i agree with u wholeheartedly!!!
I love your video and it's awesome but I didn't agree with some of the comments that you said. I am a creationist of course but I'm not going say I know that there is no such thing as evolution, because honestly I'm not sure...since God is so incomprehendable and so vast we have no idea how long God's days are, but no matter how long it took I think God made the world in 6 of His days and rested on the 7th.
So you say that there is a 1/1,000,000,000,000,000 chance that something like life will start to exist, fair enough. But what confuses me is that you find it more logical that a magic power that no one thought of until about 2000 years ago, would have created everything. And that power wasn't written down until a couple of hundred years after this magical death of Jesus = the person who wrote it took a wild guess about what had happened!
2. The human population, if u say like: the human population doubbles every so many years, then if u take us bak, it takes around 5,000-6,000 years ago, not 3 million trillion years or however old they say we are.
most of these arguments on here will not be solved. this was evidenced when i had a debate in my r.s. class. i basically counter argued every evidence for the big bang and theory of evolution that the opposing side put forward and then some. but, at the end, when asked which theory the class supported more, they put their hands up for evolution.
this is because it is the only theory with so-called 'evidence' that is taught to them by our wonderful education system, which only values the scientific, which is as narrow-minded as any so-called 'religious fanatic'. as it is the only thing taught to people as a 'factual' way of explaning creation, they will stubbornly defend it.
this stubborn defense, which leads to some of the ridiculous arguments i have seen on here, is because you don't understand both sides of these ideas, both their strengths and flaws. the main reason i know i won the argument is because, after looking at both sides of the argument, i have made my decision, know what the truth is, and know how to use it to prove these ideas over others. but most people on here cannot accept it.
i believe in EVOLUTION. Why do i, well because there is EVIDENCE to support it. Where is your evidence to support creation?(and no quotes from the bible, thats not proof) but good vid. I cant understand how you dont believe in evolution when you demonstrated it so well. you clearly know alot about it yet you choose to ignore it. You have been brainwashed into believing in this so called sky daddy. I feel sorry for you :'(
retard. what is the chance that some guy (it HAS to be a guy according to many christians) creates the whole fking world in 7 days? and how about the arch of noach with every single animalspecie on it that exists? and that jesus while being dead 'rose' from his grave? And once again you´re wrong: you say atheists say that there was nothing that exploded and created everything? there was something, called tiny parts.they exploded and there was the beginning of earth, and that beginnining evolved
this is so childish. if you cannot understand science because of a sub-standard education then that is your problem....stop trying to inflict your faithful ignorance on everyone else. the bible doesn't teach physics or biology, it teaches mythology.
I'm a Christian and hate to tell you this, but this is an incredibly weak argument. There's a fallacy of a weak analogy when comparing a pen and God. It is within our spectrum of knowledge to know how the pen writes, but how the universe was created is beyond our comprehension. Either way; if the world was created in six days, or if God put a process into motion millions of years ago it shouldn't really matter to believers in God. What matters is that God is the creator regardless of how...
not regardless, because all the things that come with God have to be logical, and scientifically correct in order for a god to make sense. you won't believe me if i tell you theres a purple hippo with a hat and rabbits on his back moonwalking in the sky, do u?
if the universe randomly apeard than we are all living a random pointless life. if some one creater us life suddenly hase a point! (good arguement) what do you bieleve in?
if i told you any evidence for God you wouldn't believe me and say "that's just your imagination". i'm not prepared to be bashed because of my arguments.
This isn't a good example...at all. The only people you are going to get to agree with you on it are people who already agree. I'm not an atheist but I don't see a point in this video. You're making atheism more attractive to me however. Good job on doing the devil's work for him.
you can not say that because A didn't create B, then therefore, B must be created from C. That is faulty logic. You can only state that A didn't create B, therefore, something other than A created B. A being the big bang, B being the universe and C being God.
And btw, it is you guys that has improper arguments. All your arguments seems to not understand fully the theory of evolution and/or the big bang theory.
in that weird way of putting things you basically just that the Big Bang created the universe without any back-up evidence. Wow! great argument! definitely converted me! keep up the gr8 work *coughs sarcastically*
well, if you don't do the intellectual thinking and understanding of the Big Bang theory, then there's no point in arguing with you. It's like arguing to a brick wall. Please educate yourself before you state another argument. There is plenty more proof for the Big Bang than for God's existence. The only proof you can go by is the Bible and it lacks serious historical evidence and has many contradictions. It's a good back drop for faith but not in the world of logic and science.
"galaxies appear to be moving away from us at speeds proportional to their distance. This is called "Hubble's Law," named after Edwin Hubble (1889-1953) who discovered this phenomenon in 1929. This observation supports the expansion of the universe and suggests that the universe was once compacted."
the compact universe has always been here, and will always be here. "who packed it" why do you as who? its obvious how it compacted, its called GRAVITY. the universe right now, at this very moment is EXPANDING. Due to the big bang. But it will not expand forever, it will slow down and once again begin to contract. Once again creating the big bang.
But what id like to know from you is. How big do you think the universe is? like do you see a limit to its size? or do you think it does on forever?
just coz the universe is expanding now doesnt meen it always has. i bielive that God made the universe just big enough so we cant see out... God knew about our microscopes that we wud make to see the stars so he built the universe according to how much we can see. when the universe ends, there is nothing, out side that nothing is Gods dimension
"he made the universe just big enough so we cant see out" thats impossible. our technology is constantly adnvacing. we can see further and further all the time. What about when we create spceships capable of traveling vast distances, and see even further. there is no end to the universe. and if god knew that we would create telescopes to see further and further that means he knows the furture which also means he knew that some humans would go against him. so he created us to go to hell.
wat if we never get that far, to see things beyond, and to travel that deep into space, god knows wen the worlds gonna end, so he built the universe large enough so we cudent see out.
god wanted to love and be loved. so he made us, most of us love him, but some of us, hate him, refuse, reject and ignore him, God gave us freedom! to love him or to hate him, you dont create sumthing and force it to love u!
if u have a child u care for him, you love him, and if he does somthing wrong you punish him.
god made us, and for those who dont love him, to hell.
its hard sending sum1 to hell, dnt think god hates you! coz he loves u and im sure sending sum1 to hell is a really tough choice, but Gods so kind, that once you have learnt your lesson in Hell. u can come and join him in heaven. yes hell is not "eternity" that word is nvr used in the original bible.
"if the universe was initially very, very hot as the Big Bang suggests, we should be able to find some remnant of this heat. In 1965, Radioastronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson discovered a 2.725 degree Kelvin (-454.765 degree Fahrenheit, -270.425 degree Celsius) Cosmic Microwave Background radiation (CMB) which pervades the observable universe. This is thought to be the remnant which scientists were looking for."
okay ... but first let me point out a few things. the universe may have once been compacted, but loads of things could have made it expand. the big bang is ONE of those possibilities among many others.
there is a large flaw with the creation of gases after the big bang. if only helium and hydrogen were made, which is what scientists say, then how did all the others come into being?
no, i'm not. why would i? they say only two gases were produced, and not how every other one appeared. unless someone can explain to me how every single other one came into existence, then evolution has at least one considerable flaw in it. if you can't provide evidence for how they came about, then you are just as deluded as you seem to think us 'unenlightened' religious folk are. and i'll probably post more problems in a theory which is taught as fact without sufficient evidence to back it up.
its a religion..... DUH! u belive! but i do think, there is evidence, but arsholes keeps covering up the evidence to try n prove us wrong... id type out pages and pages, but im on my wii internet, so i cant :P talk in about 2 weeks wen i get my computer.
No, saying "we evolved" is a way of saying "WTF do you think the reason is that you shouldn't take antibiotics when you don't need them? BECAUSE VIRUSES EVOLVE." It is also a way of saying "FOSSIL!!"
Next time, read a book that is less than 2,000 years old... If you can't look at the evidence for yourself, there is no point in even attempting to answer you, because it will fly over your head and you'll reply with something as stupid as what you just said.
you still seem to be avoiding all our arguments. and last time i was sick i don't think the virus turned into a chicken. just like LukeJ60 said, viruses DO NOT EVOLVE!!!
Yes, they do. It's actually been proven in a lab. :/ A virus was introduced to an antidote, killing off a major portion. However, over time... the virus evolved to be completely immune to the antidote.
Viruses are carriers of DNA. They are not able to reproduce in a way in which they can select for or against a set of DNA thus you are correct, viruses do no evolve. However, viruses are not considered "alive" either so they can't be classified in the evolution theory because viruses don't reproduce and thus can not be selected for or against.
The arguement "the painting requires a painter" is a very weak one. That same arguement can be made using any religion and any god ever made up by man but you call call the pen "God/Yahweh".
well, if god "drew" the earth, then it would not have water on it, as when the earth was originally formed, it had no water on it. It took 250 million years of asteroid bombardment to bring water on to the earth....
I think you may want to learn a bit more about science and the laws of physics before you start saying it's total bs. I mean, if you actually studied and understood science and THEN tried to disprove it it would be a better argument. But you don't, and you didn't, so stop trying to disprove everything the modern world, including computers, is based on
There is more than sufficient evidence for evolution just within the DNA in every cell in our bodies. I totally believe that God made everything, being active in the whole of the process which still continues today. Personally I have no problem with evolution being the way God makes living things.
Darwin has already proved that evolution occurred.....creationism scientists have been trying to prove for years and years that creationism is fact, and they cant prove it. Because it didn't happen. So, yes, 0/1 is a certainty, a certainty that we were not "created" by god. Evolution did occur, you can still believe in god and evolution, the bible is nothing but contradictory anyways. Well, contradictions and made up fairy tales.
To me, it follows that there would therefore be no physical constants. And therefore no laws of physics, matter or existance.
Therefore by completely underestimating the role that God supposibly plays in nature, the world would not seem to work well and sustain life without the pen.
Johuth- "well you fail to see that the world seems to work well and sustain life with out the pen."
You weren't even considering that the pen exists to start with, and you were completely underestimating the role that the pen supposibly plays in nature. Consider that God does exist, and that he is responsible for setting the physical constants(hence the definition of God)which fundamentally make our universe how it is.
Prove it ewolferman! Waiste a lot of time trying to make people very unhappy. This argument has been going on for a long time, and i'm seriously not convinced!
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Everyone can agree on what a pen looks like and how it works. There's no controversy there. Among believers, there has never been any universal consensus on who/what 'God' is, as proven by endless debates and wars.
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MagicTellaVision 9 months ago
You believe in the pen, but then science prooves that it actually was a paint brush.
But the pen promised you eternal life, even though it is actually someone elses wishfull thinking. So, contrary to all the evidence, you keep on believing in the pen because you so want to go to heaven, imaginary as it is.
And er... no, we live in a 4D world! Not a 2D or 3D world.
VonVladimierVoltar 9 months ago
@VonVladimierVoltar Science hasnt proved the pen is a paintbrush. you cant diss-proove God. And it was an analorgy (think thats spelt right) We can't see the spiritual relm around us.
LukeJ60 9 months ago
@LukeJ60 Yes, Analogy.
Pen = God (6000 yr old earth, Genesis story etc).
Paintbrush = Scienctific explanation (Big bang, evolution etc)
Science HAS proven the Paintbrush, in many ways. Just DNA is sufficient prove of evolution. Not to mention geology, paleontology, biology, physics, etc.,
I can not dissprove 'god', simply because 'god' could have used the big bang and evolution to create.
But it is NOT the 'god' of the bible or koran or whatever book we created here in earth.
VonVladimierVoltar 9 months ago
@VonVladimierVoltar noooo Scientific is that its just smudges over time and bits dropping onto the paper over time.
Science hasn't proven it, DNA is a launguage, and no known launguage exsists without a creator. DNA beeing the launguage of life. Geology is with young earth, saw a doctumentry on the natural history channel that there was a world wide flood about 4,000 years ago (comeing from athiests) and we've been saying this for years, Palaentology, and the rest can give many examples.
LukeJ60 9 months ago
@LukeJ60 Sorry, I just noted your age.
Listen kid, when I was your age I also believed and defended god. But then I grew up, experienced life, got an education and got a mature view of life.
With respect, you know nothing of life or the god you worship. First grow up and get an education to start with before mouthing of again about things you do not even begin to understand.
The we can discuss as adults. OK?
At least it explains you terrible spelling... you are just a kid.
VonVladimierVoltar 9 months ago
« DNA is a launguage »
Ehr, no, DNA is a chemically active molecule.
XGralgrathor 9 months ago
« Geology is with young earth »
Well yes: in every respect - except for where it concerns reality, of course. Geology sides with physics: 4.5 billion years since the Earth accreted.
XGralgrathor 9 months ago
@XGralgrathor This is just a kid!
Do not be harsh on him.
He is a good example of how unscrupilous religious people manipulate and mess up children. Everything he says is just repitition of some deceiver's lies.
He has to walk his own path and discover how he has been lied to.
We can guide and show the obvious lies, but he has to understand this himself.
I did this only when I was in my late 20's.
VonVladimierVoltar 9 months ago
@VonVladimierVoltar
You're lucky, I guess. Many people never see reason to question the faith they were raised with.
XGralgrathor 9 months ago
« saw a doctumentry on the natural history channel that there was a world wide flood »
How cute! Especially cute that they would call it a "documentary", as there is NOT EVEN A SINGLE scientific letter or paper making such a claim.
XGralgrathor 9 months ago
Hmm, a mystical sky daddy poofed us into existence or we slowly evolved? hmm which sounds more likely? magic.. or science? and that statistic was bullshit btw. its not by random chance, its natural selection. Those which are better suited to their environment survive better and are more likely to reproduce. Simple.
UnseenAtheist 9 months ago
@UnseenAtheist hes not mystical, nor does he live in the sky. hes a loveing omnipresent beeing.
Science is test repeat and observe, we cannot do that with the creation of the universe or evolution therefor its not science.
it is random, evolution is composed of mutatians speicies, certain mutains benifit the creature and so it spreads.
adaptation. birds getting bigger, stronger wings coz they fly more - truth
evolution. lizards growing wings because they jump up and flap about.
LukeJ60 9 months ago
@LukeJ60 The good mutations help the things survive. yes it is random when it happens but them surviving and breeding is not. And adaption is evolution. The birds you are talking about had a mutation and that made them better suited to survive and thrive in their environment.
UnseenAtheist 9 months ago
« Science is test repeat and observe »
Almost, kiddo. Science is testing claims through repeatable observations. The *observations* must be able to be repeated, not the events that caused them. Example: the Hubble redshift is one of the clues that first led to the formulation of the Big Bang model (by a priest called LeMaitre). The Big Bang itself occurred only once, but the observation on the redshift can be repeated as many times as you like, and will give identical results each time.
XGralgrathor 9 months ago
AWESOME ! God bless you Luke :)
Christian4Jesus1 9 months ago
yes there is a tiny chance of life , but in the infinitely expanding universe and possible multiverse's its a 1 in 100000000000000000 chance that life would not occur ..so your logic here is flawed. the origins of the universe and evolution are separate things. evolution has been proven with DNA alone, not to mention fossils and transitional forms etc. the origins of the universe is believed to be a simple state that expanded. if this is not true how does not knowing make god the default answer?
theUKatheist 10 months ago
The is Scientific evidence in evolution, and Catholic Charles Darawin he discovered it. Hey i know the bible makes you dumb, but try researching before you try an argement. I'll try the bible way to make my point. Harry Potter beats Lord Voldemort in the book, it must be true even without evidence. lol
supersaiyan3elite 1 year ago
@supersaiyan3elite there is no Scientific evidence in evolution, evolution is a faith. it has no proof its all specualtion.
the difference between a book stated to be fiction versus a book written thousands of years ago predicting the future, claiming to be a valid souce of information. hmm hard choice. Also if you dissmiss the bible then why don't you dissmiss the other thousands of history documents we get all of our moder day understadning of history from?
LukeJ60 1 year ago
@creationdebunked if u don't believe in god thn u don't believe tht he/she/GOD didn't need a creator, so u therefor cundredicted yourselve, by using an example tht u say is wrong
drummerboyy18 1 year ago
@yigoto yes it duz stupid, if u believe we evloved from monkeys (highly iliogical, proven to b impossible BY SCIENCE) thn u also believe in the big bang theory, becuase all other theories r religistict meaning the earth waz made by A GOD, and the god this video is tlking about made humans first, not monkeys, o and btw THE PEN IS REAL!!!!!!
drummerboyy18 1 year ago
You are an idiot. The origin of the universe has noting to do with evolution thicko.
yiggoto 1 year ago
@yiggoto No but its just as stupid :P nothing exploded and created everything roflmfao
LukeJ60 1 year ago
@LukeJ60 that is true and no one ever said that it did, i suggest you research it more, the big bang theory isnt actually a bang at all. but of course you already know this ? hmmm guess not
theUKatheist 10 months ago
Analogy #FAIL . You never saw a god make a world, so you don't know what a world made by a god would look like. Therefore, you have no way of distinguishing between a god made world and one that was made by natural processes. Only science provides us with a reasonable explanation that accounts for the evidence we see.
freethinker923 1 year ago
@freethinker923 Your like Jake from Adventure time when he lost his imagination, he said, and I quote "I cannot tell you something amazing, for there is nothing amazing happening around us that I can describe for you." To which Finn replied, "Dude, you totally suck now." I believe the same of you.
maniclehedgehog 1 year ago
The human brain is programmed to believe that everything has a beginning and an end. This simply is not true. Many cosmologists believe that there have been countless big bangs and big crunches. All matter in the universe has always existed, it just changes forms through geologic time. We do not have to posit magic and tell our selves "goddunit". Time to grow up people.
SkullVodka 1 year ago
@SkullVodka "All matter in the universe has always existed" Is false, With matter you need to measure it in time, you CANNOT have matter without time, if there is no time then the matter cannot exsist, becuase it needs to be counted for. Its like having a ruler that has no legnth... And time cannot have always exsitsed! if time was eternal. then we would never have reached this moment in time, 'coz it never had a start
LukeJ60 1 year ago
If god doesn't need a creator, why does the universe need one. Matter cannot be created or destroyed, it can only change states. What if the universe has always existed ? Matter and energy are interchangeable there is no evidence to suggest that there was ever absolutely nothing. Only creationists think once there was nothing, a perfect god came out of nothing and created everything out of nothing.
CreationDebunked 1 year ago
@CreationDebunked With matter comes time and space. Which DID have a start, as for amtter, iv'e never heard from anywhere that matter can't be created or destroyed. Its Energy that Can't be destroyed or created. Time/space had a start, they CANNOT have always exsisted. therfore they had a start. God lives outside of our dimension, his power in our dimension would be energy/matter, God always exsisted. He is supernatural, the universe/life isnt. its complex, there is no way a cell created itself
LukeJ60 1 year ago
@
You're an idiot.
igotsachubby 1 year ago
Even if it were true that the chances of life spontaneously forming from naturally occurring protiens were 1 in 1,000,000,000, (the truth is, no one knows what the ratio would be. There's no way to test how probable the natural formation of life is) it would be irrevelant because of the fact that there are billions of stars in our galaxy alone. So based on your math, life would have formed without the benefit of a creator atleast once in this galaxy.
Celephaith 1 year ago
I find it really archaic to believe in a god/gods that have humanlike personalities. I find mankind to be really primitive and stupid at times, so why do people call their god perfect when he/she/it itself often (in their holy books) show the same feelings/do the same acts? Hate, love, disgust, the need to kill people he/she/it hates, giving orders that would be considered as inhuman and sick if a person gave those orders. This whole "perfec god" shit is just strange to me.
Atamv 1 year ago
Firts I just wanna ask where you got this 1 out of 1,000,000,000 etc chanse of life ever emerging. Secondly dont try to describe big bang as "something out of nothing" its a really childish oversimplification. Its so easy for people who havent read anything about the different theories to just spew out half truths. Besides, if god dosent need a cause then why would the universe need it? Also why does this god have to be the christian god?
Atamv 1 year ago
but right as i said im christian and stuff i just dont believe in stuff,, but i have something to say about it,, who create the pen (god),, who is the god in the first place ? what he used to create this ? how did he made the human ? and all that sort of stuff ? i suppose everyone believes what they want and thats theirs choise and you cant go against it because you never seen the truth with your on eyes ? but i got to say you good at making videos,, keep on doing these stuff :) i like watchin
shikamakausis 1 year ago
You either belive Nothing created everything, or something always exsitsed
The universe HAD a start. Do you belive in cause and affect? God is that cause. God is an omnipresent beeing... He is outside of our universal laws. matter time and space, those 3 things HAD to have had a start, thy cannot be eternal. Whatever created Matter time and space, Doesnt not subject to the laws of M,T&S, and therfore can create matter time and space.
LukeJ60 1 year ago
mate,, i meant to be a christian lol although i dont believe in stuff like that but you know music and this video you made is damn goos seriously i love it why wont you try to apply to be as youtube partner and try get some money of that ? :) i like the fact that you like feeder :) high fives mate
shikamakausis 1 year ago
I didnt know you could be a youtube partner making music videos? i thought it was for like comdy and vloggers..
LukeJ60 1 year ago
I would just like to ask this one question. Can you define evolution in a biological context?
jebus6kryst 2 years ago
The process by which the genetic structure of populations changes over time...
LukeJ60 2 years ago
You know (pretty much) the biological definition of evolution. This means you must know that by definition it has been observed and tested in labs and in nature.
I wonder now, why did you make this straw man if you knew what evolution was.
jebus6kryst 2 years ago
ahem, no creature has ever been veiwd to gain information in the gene pool...
No fish has ever become a mammel, it cannot be tested repeated, observed, it is a theory.. not a fact
also missing about 70 billion fossils... i meen come on?! if an ape like creatue became a man. you would find thousands of fossils of the tranformation.. also, If everything evolves.. how would you explain grass?? Its still here yes.. but? after billions of years, grass could be soo much more... fruit? strawberries?
LukeJ60 2 years ago
Yes it has, nylon eating bacterium and wall lizards evolving a cecal valve (and I can cite you source for both of those if you like).
You just defined evolution, and by that definition, it has been observed. So again, I have to ask, why are you creating straw men of evolution if you know what evolution really is?
jebus6kryst 2 years ago
70 billion fossils? Why are you missing that many? Because you say so? Nevertheless, we do find transitional fossils in many different lineages such as hominins, horses, whales, and birds (the list could go on).
The way I would explain grass is that it has found a niche to exploit. There is no reason for it to produce fruit; it is robust in the environment it is found in.
jebus6kryst 2 years ago
I'll also re-explain it.. BS!!!
LukeJ60 2 years ago
What are you talking about? Where did you re-explain it? What is BS?
jebus6kryst 2 years ago
you: can you define evolution in a biological context?
Me: yes its BS
LukeJ60 2 years ago
Yet you did define evolution in a biological context and got it mostly right. In addition, by the definition it has been observed and tested. Just because you think, it is BS does not make those facts away.
It seems like you are trying to have your cake and eat it too.
jebus6kryst 2 years ago
First off, you spelt atheism wrong.
Second, the whole video is just two logical fallacies, one within another. The first one is a false dichotomy. You state that there are two opinions and being the pen (god) and the other evolution (which was the second fallacy because it was a straw man of evolution). It could be possible that both of those answers are wrong and there is a third that no one has thought up yet that is true.
jebus6kryst 2 years ago
you are cheating, you showed the existing pen and compired it with non exixting angry God.
kroypatcha 2 years ago
Yes, our chances are slim be in such a perfect position from our sun & have our other bells & whistles, but when you consider the amount taking part in the lottery, someones going to win. Say an est 1 billion stars per galaxy to the est 100 billion galaxies. if the chances are 1/100 billion harbor life & suitable atmosphere on a planet. That's still 1 billion earths. & your hypothisis brings up a bigger question then it answers, but you hide him in your 'inconceivable' shroud.
66NinetyNine 2 years ago
AHHHHh I love those straw man.. So easy to detect that even a 12 years old kid could find that your example does not make any sence. Seems you IQ is lower than the one of a 12 years old though...
vava54own 2 years ago
You strawman our position because you can't refute our actual position.
k87jury 2 years ago
This is a dumb video. Its dumb because the analogy starting out with the pen is not correct. A pen DOES exist and everyone has seen one. Try using something to represent god that no one has never actually ever seen.. like a unicorn, leprechaun, bigfoot.. etc. Your logic skewed from the beginning.
napavines 2 years ago
@napavines wat its meant to represent is tht we are outside of God dimension, we are simple 2-D comapred to God in a 3-D world, we are flat on a pice of paper and cannt see outisde, meanwhile God is outside and can enter at any time he wants anywhere he wants and so watever he wants..
LukeJ60 2 years ago
Not every athiest believes in the big bang if there is god, why would he let hundreds of thousands of innocent people die in the catastophic destruction of all human life except for seven people
raptormonev 2 years ago
well. we let sin in the world so its our own fault.. :O
and wat catastophic destruction of all human life are you tlaking about??
if u meen the flood id be happy to explain..
LukeJ60 2 years ago
Facepalm
Inzaja 2 years ago
who made god?
lololol
johnfiftyone 2 years ago
hes eternal!
who made the big bang?
LukeJ60 2 years ago
no, i just owned ur entire argument about athiesm, check ur own comments.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
johnfiftyone 2 years ago
God is able to prevent evil, and willing. but he allows it so we can learn.. simple.. and so big bang?? where did it come from?
LukeJ60 2 years ago
i never said i was for evolution or creation i dont have the answers i was just giving you some thought provoking questions.
remember that youre a slave to chemical reactions in your brain.
if god is all knowing then why did he give us such a shit hole to live in. Surely he knew what it would become? I never even asked for life he just gave it me out of the blue, what a strange guy.
johnfiftyone 2 years ago
God gave us the perfect world. where we cud live life loud! ^.^ but he HAD to give us a choice. we had to choose. and we choose to rebel agaisnt God.
then this world became a shit hole, nothing bad on this world is off God, its all mans doing..
so how do you think we got here?
LukeJ60 2 years ago
very nice =)
buttcracker97 2 years ago
John 17:3 Now this is eternal life. That they may know you, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
DamonBKnox 2 years ago
in order for the pen to exist there must be a factory that makes pens, your argument in this video proves nothing , just makes creationists look even dumber.
grimysoldja 2 years ago
we live on a piece of paper, compared to God who lives out side it all. we cant see like him, but he can see like us, coz he made us. from nothing!
LukeJ60 2 years ago
@grimysoldja- thats not the point, he was just using it as an example
crazypuma164 2 years ago
Wow I will use this video to explain myself. SO MUCH SMARTER THAN ME! XD
Tigrexiscool 2 years ago
very good way to put it! its nice to know that there are some people that love god the way i do! and all you nonbelievers yes hes real no we havent seen him but look at all the stuff he left us! the bible, churches, even movie about him he is real as it gets.
Driven53 2 years ago
Very nice and inspirational video!
GothycDreams 2 years ago
Another indication is the prophecy of the life and death of the Messiah. It is proved to be written hundreds of years before Jesus Christ lived, and all of the prophecies were perfectly fulfilled. The whole New Testament is full of eye-witnesses of that. To me it is very clear... But I respect ppl who have different thoughts...
PlankiiOnBass 2 years ago
First of all, great video!
I also believe God created us. But I also think there is some kind of evolution. Creatures can change over time when placed in a different environment. But they will never become an animal of a different kind! This is what is proven. Besides that, humans can also change. People used to be a lot smaller then we are now, because we are better fed and we live in better circumstances. But like I said, a monkey will never become a human.
PlankiiOnBass 2 years ago
Where is any evidence whatsoever of your god's presence. There isn't any. If you were born in Iraq you'd be telling us that Muhamed was gawd.
DaxxFinsta 2 years ago
The "god made us" theory does not follow physics. Where did you get the number for the chance of evolution? And the odds of it happening are irrelevant in an infinite universe, for every 1 time there is evolution, there is
1, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times it isnt there.
leptir99 2 years ago
You may ask "How can you trust the bible?"
I trust it because the bible is God inspired and was written by more than 40 (I don't remember an exact number) men, who most had never even met each other, and it was written over a period of about 3000 years!!! And on top of that there is not one contradiction!!! How could that even be possible without a higher being telling them what to say?!?!?! To me that is pretty convincing!!!
gonnapartyinparadise 2 years ago
How can you trust the bible?
It is god inspired.
How do you know it's god inspired?
Says so in the bible.
statement x is true because y is true.
statement y is true because x is true.
Circular=/=logic
leptir99 2 years ago
I'm glad you see my point! :)
gonnapartyinparadise 2 years ago
Since I believe in intelligent design I believe God created us like I said before. There might have been evolution for other creatures but humans haven't evolved over millions of years. In Genesis 2:7 it says "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
gonnapartyinparadise 2 years ago
At first, well done, great vid!
Then, I also believe God created us and every living thing. But creatures and human can actually envolve, but they stay the same kind. What I wanna say is: an animal can adjust to it's environment, but will never become an animal of a different kind. That's exactely what's been proven...
PlankiiOnBass 2 years ago
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PlankiiOnBass 2 years ago
Besides that, human can also change. People used to be a lot smaller then we are now, because we are better fed and we live in better circumstances. But like I said, a monkey will never become a human.
You can never prove a believe, but there are some indications. Look at the nature and it's perfect balance. If something would be slightly different the earth wouldn't exist after such a long time. I don't believe that's all just coincidence. I believe Someone made it with greatest accuracy.
PlankiiOnBass 2 years ago
yes i completely agree!!! God had to have had a say in this! lol He does in everything else!!! :) but actually u're talking about adapting and not evolving...but yes i agree with u wholeheartedly!!!
GOD BLESS U!!!
MARANATHA!!!!
gonnapartyinparadise 2 years ago
actually people used to liuve to 900 years old and grow too like 10 foot.... now we r getting smaller.. and shorter life spans..
a dog can change into a bigger dog, a beak can grow a bigger beak.. thats micro evolution or adaptation, which is proven!
macro.. is not proven,, and never can be!
LukeJ60 2 years ago
Yeah that's what I mean, adaption might be a better word for it ;).
You're right about the very tall people, and people in the Dark Ages used to be a lot smaller :)
PlankiiOnBass 2 years ago
I love your video and it's awesome but I didn't agree with some of the comments that you said. I am a creationist of course but I'm not going say I know that there is no such thing as evolution, because honestly I'm not sure...since God is so incomprehendable and so vast we have no idea how long God's days are, but no matter how long it took I think God made the world in 6 of His days and rested on the 7th.
gonnapartyinparadise 2 years ago
great video!!! thnx!!!
God bless!!!
gonnapartyinparadise 2 years ago
So you say that there is a 1/1,000,000,000,000,000 chance that something like life will start to exist, fair enough. But what confuses me is that you find it more logical that a magic power that no one thought of until about 2000 years ago, would have created everything. And that power wasn't written down until a couple of hundred years after this magical death of Jesus = the person who wrote it took a wild guess about what had happened!
Arke91 2 years ago
evolution is a fairytale.
tober1387 2 years ago
3 things Evolution - big bang atruggles wiv
1. before the big bang was?
2. The human population, if u say like: the human population doubbles every so many years, then if u take us bak, it takes around 5,000-6,000 years ago, not 3 million trillion years or however old they say we are.
3. sexual organs? how do they explain that?
LukeJ60 2 years ago
most of these arguments on here will not be solved. this was evidenced when i had a debate in my r.s. class. i basically counter argued every evidence for the big bang and theory of evolution that the opposing side put forward and then some. but, at the end, when asked which theory the class supported more, they put their hands up for evolution.
ncad64 2 years ago
this is because it is the only theory with so-called 'evidence' that is taught to them by our wonderful education system, which only values the scientific, which is as narrow-minded as any so-called 'religious fanatic'. as it is the only thing taught to people as a 'factual' way of explaning creation, they will stubbornly defend it.
ncad64 2 years ago
this stubborn defense, which leads to some of the ridiculous arguments i have seen on here, is because you don't understand both sides of these ideas, both their strengths and flaws. the main reason i know i won the argument is because, after looking at both sides of the argument, i have made my decision, know what the truth is, and know how to use it to prove these ideas over others. but most people on here cannot accept it.
ncad64 2 years ago
urs isnt proof of evolution!
if the big bang is true then surly the universe has always been expanding
LukeJ60 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAHA - evolution, LOL
either you're being sarcastic, or you're brain damaged.
fr1tz08 2 years ago
the universe is a lot more complicated than this.
and clearly you don't know what Atheism or evolution really is, so if i were u I wouldn't put these things in the public eye.
fr1tz08 2 years ago
i believe in EVOLUTION. Why do i, well because there is EVIDENCE to support it. Where is your evidence to support creation?(and no quotes from the bible, thats not proof) but good vid. I cant understand how you dont believe in evolution when you demonstrated it so well. you clearly know alot about it yet you choose to ignore it. You have been brainwashed into believing in this so called sky daddy. I feel sorry for you :'(
bobby472 2 years ago
retard. what is the chance that some guy (it HAS to be a guy according to many christians) creates the whole fking world in 7 days? and how about the arch of noach with every single animalspecie on it that exists? and that jesus while being dead 'rose' from his grave? And once again you´re wrong: you say atheists say that there was nothing that exploded and created everything? there was something, called tiny parts.they exploded and there was the beginning of earth, and that beginnining evolved
itsfrzn 3 years ago
this is so childish. if you cannot understand science because of a sub-standard education then that is your problem....stop trying to inflict your faithful ignorance on everyone else. the bible doesn't teach physics or biology, it teaches mythology.
classwar09 3 years ago 2
The only ones that believe something very complicated popped out of nothing is the religious (god).
RoseEEOE 3 years ago
I'm a Christian and hate to tell you this, but this is an incredibly weak argument. There's a fallacy of a weak analogy when comparing a pen and God. It is within our spectrum of knowledge to know how the pen writes, but how the universe was created is beyond our comprehension. Either way; if the world was created in six days, or if God put a process into motion millions of years ago it shouldn't really matter to believers in God. What matters is that God is the creator regardless of how...
stebandrummer 3 years ago
not regardless, because all the things that come with God have to be logical, and scientifically correct in order for a god to make sense. you won't believe me if i tell you theres a purple hippo with a hat and rabbits on his back moonwalking in the sky, do u?
itsfrzn 3 years ago
Did we evolve or did a pen draw us?
*Joke Topic*
kidersx 3 years ago
No Arsehole did we Evolve or God create us? did the paint randomly form on the paper to make us or did a pen draw us?
LukeJ60 3 years ago
if the universe randomly apeard than we are all living a random pointless life. if some one creater us life suddenly hase a point! (good arguement) what do you bieleve in?
djmcwallz 3 years ago
Well if some being just created everything I guess that's easy for you to understand.
kidersx 3 years ago
What a wanker.
btw: it's ATHEIST - not ATHIEST you moron!
richperth 3 years ago
nothing constructive to say? no arguments to make? not defending your pointe? no u call me wanker, ure not helping any1
LukeJ60 3 years ago
your arguments are too weak and full of unlogical crap, not necessary to argument on that.
itsfrzn 3 years ago
if i told you any evidence for God you wouldn't believe me and say "that's just your imagination". i'm not prepared to be bashed because of my arguments.
timeisticking1360 3 years ago
This isn't a good example...at all. The only people you are going to get to agree with you on it are people who already agree. I'm not an atheist but I don't see a point in this video. You're making atheism more attractive to me however. Good job on doing the devil's work for him.
Estreen 3 years ago
tell me how a random explosion can occure create everything we have today and rearrange itself to form complicated life forms
jo3l3r3 3 years ago
exactly! all the atheists out there still seem to be avoiding that main argument!
timeisticking1360 3 years ago
you can not say that because A didn't create B, then therefore, B must be created from C. That is faulty logic. You can only state that A didn't create B, therefore, something other than A created B. A being the big bang, B being the universe and C being God.
And btw, it is you guys that has improper arguments. All your arguments seems to not understand fully the theory of evolution and/or the big bang theory.
islandofdoom 3 years ago
in that weird way of putting things you basically just that the Big Bang created the universe without any back-up evidence. Wow! great argument! definitely converted me! keep up the gr8 work *coughs sarcastically*
timeisticking1360 3 years ago
well, if you don't do the intellectual thinking and understanding of the Big Bang theory, then there's no point in arguing with you. It's like arguing to a brick wall. Please educate yourself before you state another argument. There is plenty more proof for the Big Bang than for God's existence. The only proof you can go by is the Bible and it lacks serious historical evidence and has many contradictions. It's a good back drop for faith but not in the world of logic and science.
islandofdoom 3 years ago
okay, let's have a quiz.
Question 1)
What two past events lack historical evidence?
a - The Big Bang and Evolution
b - The Big Bang and Evolution
c - The Big Bang and Evolution
According to you there is evidence for The Big Bang. Like what?
timeisticking1360 3 years ago
"galaxies appear to be moving away from us at speeds proportional to their distance. This is called "Hubble's Law," named after Edwin Hubble (1889-1953) who discovered this phenomenon in 1929. This observation supports the expansion of the universe and suggests that the universe was once compacted."
islandofdoom 3 years ago
where did the compact universe come from? and who packed it?
LukeJ60 3 years ago
God can just have always been there, but it's not possible that the universe was just always there. That's crazy talk.
*I hope you note the heavy use of sarcasm.
GrimRoguePrince 3 years ago
the compact universe has always been here, and will always be here. "who packed it" why do you as who? its obvious how it compacted, its called GRAVITY. the universe right now, at this very moment is EXPANDING. Due to the big bang. But it will not expand forever, it will slow down and once again begin to contract. Once again creating the big bang.
But what id like to know from you is. How big do you think the universe is? like do you see a limit to its size? or do you think it does on forever?
bobby472 2 years ago
just coz the universe is expanding now doesnt meen it always has. i bielive that God made the universe just big enough so we cant see out... God knew about our microscopes that we wud make to see the stars so he built the universe according to how much we can see. when the universe ends, there is nothing, out side that nothing is Gods dimension
LukeJ60 2 years ago
"he made the universe just big enough so we cant see out" thats impossible. our technology is constantly adnvacing. we can see further and further all the time. What about when we create spceships capable of traveling vast distances, and see even further. there is no end to the universe. and if god knew that we would create telescopes to see further and further that means he knows the furture which also means he knew that some humans would go against him. so he created us to go to hell.
bobby472 2 years ago
wat if we never get that far, to see things beyond, and to travel that deep into space, god knows wen the worlds gonna end, so he built the universe large enough so we cudent see out.
god wanted to love and be loved. so he made us, most of us love him, but some of us, hate him, refuse, reject and ignore him, God gave us freedom! to love him or to hate him, you dont create sumthing and force it to love u!
LukeJ60 2 years ago
if u have a child u care for him, you love him, and if he does somthing wrong you punish him.
god made us, and for those who dont love him, to hell.
its hard sending sum1 to hell, dnt think god hates you! coz he loves u and im sure sending sum1 to hell is a really tough choice, but Gods so kind, that once you have learnt your lesson in Hell. u can come and join him in heaven. yes hell is not "eternity" that word is nvr used in the original bible.
LukeJ60 2 years ago
So everyone that lived before the death of Jesus was forced to live in hell, just because they hadn't thought of the (pretty insane) god theory?
Arke91 2 years ago
answer my 3 questions, PROPERLY!
LukeJ60 2 years ago
"if the universe was initially very, very hot as the Big Bang suggests, we should be able to find some remnant of this heat. In 1965, Radioastronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson discovered a 2.725 degree Kelvin (-454.765 degree Fahrenheit, -270.425 degree Celsius) Cosmic Microwave Background radiation (CMB) which pervades the observable universe. This is thought to be the remnant which scientists were looking for."
islandofdoom 3 years ago
"the abundance of the "light elements" Hydrogen and Helium found in the observable universe are thought to support the Big Bang model of origins."
Now tell me, what solid physical evidence of God do we have?
islandofdoom 3 years ago
okay ... but first let me point out a few things. the universe may have once been compacted, but loads of things could have made it expand. the big bang is ONE of those possibilities among many others.
timeisticking1360 3 years ago
Once again with this second argument, many things could have been very hot in the past. The Big Bang is ONE of those possibilities among many others.
timeisticking1360 3 years ago
okay ... with the third argument. you just said "hydrogen and helium were created by the big bang" without any back-up.
timeisticking1360 3 years ago
there is a large flaw with the creation of gases after the big bang. if only helium and hydrogen were made, which is what scientists say, then how did all the others come into being?
ncad64 2 years ago
you're joking, right?
fr1tz08 2 years ago
no, i'm not. why would i? they say only two gases were produced, and not how every other one appeared. unless someone can explain to me how every single other one came into existence, then evolution has at least one considerable flaw in it. if you can't provide evidence for how they came about, then you are just as deluded as you seem to think us 'unenlightened' religious folk are. and i'll probably post more problems in a theory which is taught as fact without sufficient evidence to back it up.
ncad64 2 years ago
okey, let's have another quiz.
Question 2)
What two past events lack historical evidence?
a - God and Jesus
b - God and Jesus
c - God and Jesus
According to you there is evidence for Jesus and God. Like what?
Arke91 2 years ago
its a religion..... DUH! u belive! but i do think, there is evidence, but arsholes keeps covering up the evidence to try n prove us wrong... id type out pages and pages, but im on my wii internet, so i cant :P talk in about 2 weeks wen i get my computer.
LukeJ60 2 years ago
you just summed everything i've ever wanted to say into one video. thankyou and God bless you too!
timeisticking1360 3 years ago
I believe pens exist because I have seen and used pens.
By the way, you misspelled "Atheist."
SRGisaBAMF 3 years ago
I believe in the existence of ignorant, poorly presented arguments that neither understand the rules of logic or the actual topic being presented.
This video is a perfect example of the above.
Kodeekat 3 years ago
Saying "We were created" is just your short way of saying "I understand nothing about Genetics, Geology, or Biology, but I believe in magic!"
isismoon1405 3 years ago
and saying "we evolved" is your way of saying "we are complete accidents and used to be monkies". next time watch the video isismoon.
timeisticking1360 3 years ago
No, saying "we evolved" is a way of saying "WTF do you think the reason is that you shouldn't take antibiotics when you don't need them? BECAUSE VIRUSES EVOLVE." It is also a way of saying "FOSSIL!!"
Next time, read a book that is less than 2,000 years old... If you can't look at the evidence for yourself, there is no point in even attempting to answer you, because it will fly over your head and you'll reply with something as stupid as what you just said.
isismoon1405 3 years ago
viruses dont evolve! its STIL a virus DUH! can viruses turn into frogs? NO!
so you dont bielive what the egyptions wrote was true?
or the greks?
or the romans?
LukeJ60 3 years ago
You just proved my point. Go learn something.
isismoon1405 3 years ago
you still seem to be avoiding all our arguments. and last time i was sick i don't think the virus turned into a chicken. just like LukeJ60 said, viruses DO NOT EVOLVE!!!
timeisticking1360 3 years ago
Yes, they do. It's actually been proven in a lab. :/ A virus was introduced to an antidote, killing off a major portion. However, over time... the virus evolved to be completely immune to the antidote.
WeAreInItForTheLulz 3 years ago
Go learn something, I'm not going to waste my time on your ignorance.
isismoon1405 3 years ago
point proven. all you are able to is throw abuse at us, without any proper arguments.
timeisticking1360 3 years ago
Viruses are carriers of DNA. They are not able to reproduce in a way in which they can select for or against a set of DNA thus you are correct, viruses do no evolve. However, viruses are not considered "alive" either so they can't be classified in the evolution theory because viruses don't reproduce and thus can not be selected for or against.
islandofdoom 3 years ago
Okay so you got the creation story 4 a cartoon and yourself as a weak puncline.
Good Work!!
knusern666 3 years ago
WHAT???
sahardoom 3 years ago
The arguement "the painting requires a painter" is a very weak one. That same arguement can be made using any religion and any god ever made up by man but you call call the pen "God/Yahweh".
johnnyfatsac 3 years ago
I never knew as an atheist I never believed pens exist. Thank you for clearing that up for me. .......idiot
TheFluffyDuck 3 years ago
well, if god "drew" the earth, then it would not have water on it, as when the earth was originally formed, it had no water on it. It took 250 million years of asteroid bombardment to bring water on to the earth....
fangslayer 3 years ago
praise the sweet baby jesus
imakecrappyvids 3 years ago
6 pound 7 ounce
paricutin21 3 years ago
I think you may want to learn a bit more about science and the laws of physics before you start saying it's total bs. I mean, if you actually studied and understood science and THEN tried to disprove it it would be a better argument. But you don't, and you didn't, so stop trying to disprove everything the modern world, including computers, is based on
15Smartie15 3 years ago
There is more than sufficient evidence for evolution just within the DNA in every cell in our bodies. I totally believe that God made everything, being active in the whole of the process which still continues today. Personally I have no problem with evolution being the way God makes living things.
Cygnus017 3 years ago
God's not a pen.
3zzzpmk 3 years ago
Darwin has already proved that evolution occurred.....creationism scientists have been trying to prove for years and years that creationism is fact, and they cant prove it. Because it didn't happen. So, yes, 0/1 is a certainty, a certainty that we were not "created" by god. Evolution did occur, you can still believe in god and evolution, the bible is nothing but contradictory anyways. Well, contradictions and made up fairy tales.
ewolferman 3 years ago
To me, it follows that there would therefore be no physical constants. And therefore no laws of physics, matter or existance.
Therefore by completely underestimating the role that God supposibly plays in nature, the world would not seem to work well and sustain life without the pen.
Because it wouldn't exist!
justlikeliam 3 years ago
Johuth- "well you fail to see that the world seems to work well and sustain life with out the pen."
You weren't even considering that the pen exists to start with, and you were completely underestimating the role that the pen supposibly plays in nature. Consider that God does exist, and that he is responsible for setting the physical constants(hence the definition of God)which fundamentally make our universe how it is.
Then remove the pen....
justlikeliam 3 years ago
Prove it ewolferman! Waiste a lot of time trying to make people very unhappy. This argument has been going on for a long time, and i'm seriously not convinced!
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