@jimbolimbo369 because the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the acusee, How about showing us how he IS a socialist... and the ACTUAL definition of a socialist, not the popularized "Anything but the way we think is Socialism" todays republicans re-definition
@AlterBooks I'm not saying he is or isn't, i just wish she had provided examples, so I can go, "oh ok, those are some reasons why", instead of just taking maddow's word for it.
I can't believe entire societys are being built and influenced by religionto this very day. We will never progress as a species if we don't progress our way of thinking and cease to worship a deity which has never been proved to be real and is most likely not.
Please answer this question concerning the rapture, if the bible is the holy word of God then all things in it must be true, then how do you, who believe in the rapture, deal with this scripture which of itself kills any idea of a rapture. "Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection." This resurrection takes place at the end of the tribulation and the beginning of the 1000 yrs.
Keep them in constant fear: of other nations, of other races, of other religions, the end times, of the antichrist, of the guy who may set up the set up to the antichrist, of everything, EVERYTHING!! Fear all, believe only those who believe just like you (and not all of them, either) and everything will be great. Does anyone else see the idiocy required to believe in this?
It's obvious some of these anti-Christian people have an agenda. Yes, the Left behind series has sold over 65 million copies. The Bible itself, is the world's best selling book in history. Now you can see the double standard here. Why doesn't Rachel invite some of the modern day soothsayers and crackpots on her show. Ask them about some of their predictions for the world.
Obama giving tax cuts to 95% of all American businesses and not even raising taxes on giant corporations beyond what Bush and the pubs set to expire --that's hardly socialist by any measure. Bush'd Tarp bill and no bid contracts... now THAT's socialism!
Rachel Maddow is an Oxford educated Rhodes Scholar (take note Christine O'Donnell) who has her pulse on what is right in American politics. Her nightly show contains the most well researched information I've ever seen or heard. The difference between the accuracy of her programme and the low brow, muck raking rubbish on the Fox Network is in a word QUALITY. Rachel cares about her audience enough to ensure that she delivers only the best in television journalism. Rachel is an American treasure.
@Georgie2047 I agree with Dr. Maddow, until she states that "none of us have the right to judge anyone else's religious beliefs". All religion is unsubstantiated nonsense, written by pre-modern, ignoramuses. Nonsense should not be respected and it certainly should be judged accordingly.
@Georgie2047 This was very well said and totally accurate. If more journalists were as devoted to getting to the bottom of the story, like Maddow and her team, I think our political landscape would look markedly different.
ist irgendjemand mal auf die idee gekomme das was in der bibel steht zu hinterfragen ? du kannst nicht an die evolutionstheorie und gleichzeitig an die bibel glauben.
Both parties support the war mongering War Criminal policies of the mass murdering Debt Syndicate, sick-O inbreed banker collectivists seeking to slaughter everyone on the planet and plunder /everything/ for themselves.
OK, here's the gauntlet to the "Argh, he's a socialist" mongers....what "socialism" has Obama done so far? Milquetoast healthcare reform? Moderate wallstreet reform? Wanting to repeal Bush tax cuts to help the economy? Cutting taxes for the middle class? What has he done that has been SOOOOOO socialist in his time in office? Name it. What has he done? He's been a liberal (sort of), he's made some decisions the GOP doesn't like, but where's the socialism he's being accused of? I'd like an answer
@MagnesDrachen13 You're more right than you think: He's not even repealing the Bush tax cuts! Just letting them expire as Bush and the Republicans intended...and not even THAT for 95% of Americans! As a middle class wage earner I PAY LESS TAXES UNDER OBAMA. So does Joe the Plumber! Exxon executives may pay a little more when the Bush tax cuts expire so that makes Obama a socialist! Republicans make no sense!
I love the last line here, "and they see that as good news..."
Revelations doesn't claim to be a chronological map of the End of Days. It even warns that people shouldn't add meaning to the text that isn't there (last chapter) so how do political activists like Lahey and John Hagee get away with this deception?
The reason they don't want you to look for the Antichrist is because they are the antichrists Christ himself warned about. Wolves in sheep's clothing.
its funny that "socialism" is interpreted as total government control, where it can even decide who is rich and who is poor. There IS a different way to do it, like most european countries do. They too are socialists, but they dont seem to be in this "hell on earth" state.
@Max10192 Yeah totally! Denmark and England and hell Japan for that matter have 100% government run socialized health insurance --are they hellish communist dictatorships with people standing in line for bread and marching with Stalin? heheh...
Religious retards have been predicting end times since religion was invented. Shut the fuck up already and collect your money. Huckabee, Ayn Rand would consider your religious nonsense as odious as Stalin and Lenin. Your are a poor excuse for a human. God. Look in the mirror. See, I do make mistakes.
I thought LaHaye was just a regular Christian-crook but I recently discovered that he's the founder/head of the 'Council for National Policy' where the richest and most powerful fundies gather in secret - and gets cash off that 'neo-Crusader' (read 'murderer') Erik Prince.
@eljagg01 Try borrowing it from some Christian friend of yours. You know, it might be worth trying to have a reasoned, sensible conversation with them about the content of the texts.
Suggested topics:
Portrayal of Israel versus the reality
The identity of the Antichrist
The portrayal of events described in Revelations
Why sixteen books are required to narrate what in my bible takes about 30 pages
Good luck with that read. Luckily, most of the books have been adapted for the screen ;-)
@eljagg01 "The sad part is that I'd like to read the Left Behind series. But I don't want to line the pockets of idiots" Get it at a used paperback exchange. Or don't, you're not missing much they really are crap books.
@yarmo28 Yeah...but don't underestimate their ability to seem enlightened to a-literate masses. Their story is convincing, because it comes from the most awe-inspiring and action-packed book of the bible they've been fed from a lazy pulpit all their lives. These two have been fed a false Christianity and they share that curse with all their followers...they are what the bible calls the "seeming-wise but ignorant" the ones who claim to teach secret knowledge of God.
@mackenzienellis What you say is sad but true. The Bible is truly a wonderful collection of the various folk tales of region we call Iraq, perhaps with a bit of Egyptian / African folklore thrown in. Lest anyone make the mistake of interpreting such stories as the word of some deity, he/she should study the folk tales of other literate peoples of that region.
In communist theory, the party is a representative of the proletarian class; much like the republican party represents people who identify as republicans.
When is this rapture coming? It's time for these people to leave!
@michaelxfrancis In communist theory that may be the idea, but in actual practice it is no more than a mouthpiece for the ruling class which in this case is the party itself. As for when the Rapture happens, no one really knows except to say that it will all happen in due time. By the way, which people do you mean to leave?
Of course Obama is a Socialist.. He was mentored by them, he has (and had) many friends who are Socialists. He proposes socialist ideas (Think healthcare!) As for being the Antichrist, I doubt it. He doesn't have the guts. Though, I do believe Christ's return (Rapture) is near. I won't speculate as to when, but I see it as good because of those who will turn to Him after it occurs.
@Timbrock1000 No he's not a socialist. He was not mentored by socialists. He believes our health care system sucks and needs to be reformed and he's right. We have socialist fire departments does that make us socialist? We have socialist highways too. OMG we're marching with Stalin! No socialist would cut taxes on 95% of businesses in this country. A socialist might sighn the TARP bill (Bush).
@sinistar99 Things fire depts., police, and such are justifiable tax-supported systems. A fire dept. comes to put out a fire not just to save the house, but to keep the fire from spreading through the neighborhood. Police are hired to enforce our laws thus keeping the public safe from criminals. Highways are also justifiable as they are needed by the public. BUT, taking over the health care, and auto industry borders on Socialism. Obama has shown his Socialist ideals in his speaches & writings
"You think Obama is sort of a secret-socialist who's hiding his secret agenda?" Hah! You could so tell that Rachel was trying hard not to laugh in this man's face. :)
This women has to be working for the Gov, Im tired of keeping my mouth shut. Just like DC, She has no idea at all about what it means to be an American. She preys on stupid Americans and her ratings show just that. I ONLY watch her to figure out what policies are being pushed and how they want us to feel about it. Its like having inside info. If she had a sex change, they did a horrible job!
Anyone who knows anything realizes that the antichrist will be conceived in the Whitehouse's Lincoln bedroom. And we all know that Obama wasn't even born on the North American continent. Ergo, Obama cannot be the antichrist. Wallstreet limousine liberal Yes, antichrist No.
There may only be a very limited number of differences between a Wallstreet limousine liberal and the antichrist but they are important differences.
@CaptJJYossarian For a "Wallstreet Limousine Liberal," Obama has signed into law the most sweeping wallstreet reform since after the Great Depression. I love these little meaningless buzz words GOP think tanks come up with... "limousine liberal" hah whatever that means.
@owatadikiam If you visit her website, it says that she lives with her partner Susan Mikula. Wherever you got the idea that she is married to a man and has two children is COMPLETELY wrong.
its not world socialism that will bring world peace. Its world communism. And the government will not control everything, it will not exist. In communism there are no social classes, so no need for a government to protect the rich from the poor, hence no government. Not government control.
Are you kidding me? Communism is not a classless system. It is usually composed of two distinct classes, the "proletariat" and the party brass. Do you seriously think that the party bosses live like the rest of society? If you do, then you're more gullible than I thought.
no im not kidding you.That is what traditional marxist communism is. What you are referring to is what would happen if put into affect. What i described is the philosophy of Karl Marx
Then maybe you can explain why when communism takes over millions of people lose their lives? Why would the party be threatened by freedom of conscience or thought or religion or whatever? If what I'm describing is what happens if it is put into effect, why should anyone desire such a system? And besides, you're discounting the very nature of the human heart which is filled with lust, greed, murder, deceit and other unsavory thing so it has to be kept under control with force.
im talking about the ideology of communism not its actual implementation. What it is meant to do is bring world peace, but when it is put into effect society as it is now (our values, morals and norms) fucks it up. Under communism it is assumed that human nature is essentially good. so the people who think it could work are the few who are fixed in that ideology.
@queenblanche "Then maybe you can explain why when communism takes over millions of people lose their lives?" When ANY system "takes over" people lose their lives. In each case it's different. Nobody had to lose their lives in violence when Sweeden switched to a communist socialist health care system did they? Or Great Britian?
The proletariat leadership is a transitional stage between the prior system and communism, it IS NOT communism. Communism in its final form is a stateless (no government), classless, egalitarian society. It is Utopian, but so is a fair and non-chaotic laizzes-faire capitalist system. Neither system has existed in history on a grand scale.
Am I to gather from your postings that you yourself is a communist? Well, if you insist on believing the ludicrous, I believe that I have some lakefront property in the Sahara that I can sell to you and your fellow communists for more than a fair price.
@queenblanche I think the challenge in understanding is that the hypothetical Communism that some talk about is not the same as the applied attempts at Communism ... hence why we get the occasional hyphenation: Marxist-Communism, Leninist-Communism, etc. ... to me it boils down to a 'failure to communicate', in that we use the same words, but as Rachel Maddow pointed out, those words have different meanings for different people.
@queenblanche In communist theory, the party is a representative of the proletarian class; much like the republican party represents people who identify as republicans.
@queenblanche In communist theory, the party is a representative of the proletarian class; much like the republican party represents people who identify as republicans.
@queenblanche That's not accurate I know this was posted 8 months ago, but I need to correct this. Communism is a classless system. However, when human error comes into play, such as in Russia, it quickly changes from Communism to Facism, ruled by an all-powerful governing body. Communism is a system in which everyone does equal labor and is on equal ground sociologically. Of course this can't happen in real life, but that's what Communism is. You're describing a facist state, not communism.
@AIReject I am describing communism as it's actually practiced. Call it communism, call it fascism, call it whatever mankind (meaning the "proletariat" in this case) usually comes out on the losing end. The government winds up owning everthing and the power rests in the hands of the few, meaning the communist elite in this case. Honestly, do you really know of any communist country in the world today where the people have total autonomy over their own lives without government influence?
@queenblanche I was discussing communism as communism is defined, which ahs no government or rulign power at all. If a country that claims to be communist has a rulign power or higher class, then it isn't communism.
@AIReject Then what do you call it? Defining communism is one thing, practical application is quite another. IF you don't have some form of government or accountability no matter what you call the form of government then society would quickly degenerate into chaos very quickly. If what you say is true, then which countries in the world today would you classify as "truly communist"? By the way, you never did answer my question: are you yourself a communist?
@queenblanche Current countries under the label "Communism" are actually facist dictatorships, which has its own classification. In true communism, there is no government, everyone is mostly equal and keep each other in check for the good of the society by doing whatever duties are required of them based on their skill set. Of course, because of human desires, this is only a utopian ideal. So yes, in that sense, I'm communist, but of course it can't actually happen. It doesn't work.
@AIReject That's just what I was trying to point out to you. Utopian ideas like communism, socialism, Naziism, fascism, etc.,could never work in real life because of what you yourself just pointed out; political philosophies like the foregoing generally ignore the nature of man. Man is always trying to exalt himself many times at the cost of his neighbor because there is always something deep within the heart of man that yearns for more. He doesn't care how he get 's there.
@queenblanche I was already well aware of that. Heck, Ie ven said it. I was just pointing out that even though they claim to be communist, they aren't, bacause they have a governmental body or ruler. There's no confrontation here. It just is. I don't even see why it's up for debate. It's just a matter of fact.
Well, actually they did live a lot like the proletariat for a while after the revolution in Russia. They didn't go hungry or anything but Stalin's daughter Svetlana, for instance, took the tram to school without bodyguards every day. It started to change towards the end of the 30s as the political persecution escalated.
Maddow was caught in a rave with too much XTC in her system and she and her galpal had to be rushed to the hospital where she complained of pain in her abdoman....
Upon x-ray they found a television remote control that had been shoved into her pussy and was wedged in there for several days causing infection.....
And do you really think a homeless person on the streets of New York has a higher quality of life than a king of yesterday? Ramses II lived to be about 82. Do you think a hobo could (if homeless all his life) could live to be 82? The fact is that the kings of yesterday had it pretty good... if it weren't for the internet I might say better than myself. But even more important, poverty is a huge issue even in this country, and by saying that you trivialize it and are simply wrong about it...
No air conditioning, no refrigerator , no bright ligts and the lights they did have smelled and consumed oxygen and gave off smoke. They did not have the ability to travel the way we do and they certainly could not have enjoyed food from far away lands. You think the king of england could eat a banana or other tropical fruits? It would spoil by the time it reached him. Most kings didn't live that long and if they got a disease, they were goners. You have so much, that you don't see it.
Um. I'm not poor. And anyway, I don't think that stuff contributes to my overall happiness. If I didn't know what bananas were I wouldn't miss them. If I didn't have air conditioning I'd be used to it. It's all relative. But more importantly... the poor don't have air conditioning or refrigerators or lights or travel even today... maybe they acquire a banana from time to time.
Kings back then lived pretty comfortably, even without modern technology, and the poor today do not. It's that simple.
I didn't say you were poor, and I know it's all relative. Kings lived better than peasants of their time, but not todays peasants. I am not sure which "poor" you are talking about, but I am talking about American poor. If you are talking about the 3rd world poor, what do we have that they don't have? Corporations and businesses, that's what. They have all the government they could ever want, what they lack is industry.
American poor is still pretty poor... There are still people in America who don't have the things you mentioned which are supposed to make their lives better than kings. Even having said that, you can't judge quality of life solely on the technology available. A king is always going to be happier than a poor person because of their power and influence, and because the poor person has to scrape by and constantly worry about their situation. I think you overestimate the poor American lifestyle...
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that point. In any event, I am very confident that the government is going to screw up the HC system. America is already pretty much bankrupt, much of the gov spending has come in the form of inflation which is going to impoverish us even more. In the best case scenario the US gov is going to dump 50 Million people into the HC system and there will be shortages for years.
Yes we will. I still would like to know what you think we should do to fix the problem that we have right now, and is getting worse and worse every year. I can respect opposition to this plan on the bases you've mentioned, but only if I know you support doing something about the system... I mean, it sounds like you just want to leave it the way it is, and I don't see how that could be any better than the government trying to fix it, even if the government does a bad job.
I would support a system where insurance is reformed and competition is allowed in the market.
Stop thinking of health insurance as someone to pay your bills. People should have to pay for their own basic healthcare. If you break your arm or get the flu and things like that, you should pay the bill (exemptions for low income people and their children) (drive down costs)
The market for insurance should be opened up. Right now you can't shop across state lines for insurance, fix that.
Right now there are monopolies in every state with health insurance. Opening up the market to out of state competition would help. Pass federal laws to stop ins companies from denying pre-existing conditions or medically necessary procedures.
Lawsuit reform. People should be able to sue their dr for messing them up, but get rid of frivolous lawsuits. These seem like a good place to start.
Okay, I can respect those ideas. I still believe that a public option would work better in fixing the system and actually saving the country money in the long run. The luxury of this debate here is that we can just agree to disagree since our arguments aren't going to change anything about what actually happens. Maybe the public option will turn out to be a disaster, or maybe it will be a great success. We can only wait and see.
I meant "agree to disagree" about the poor living better than kings. But in any event, I am glad we had this discussion. It was respectful and I think we both learned something. thanks.
@christo930 "Stop thinking of health insurance as someone to pay your bills" Hahah what the hell is it for then? That's like saying stop thinking of fire departments as someone to put out your fires. people should put out their own fires, build their own roads... test their own food for bacteria....Some things work better when we do them as a group than as individuals. That's all there is to it.
@sinistar99 Insurance isn't for day to day expenses, it's for things that are unlikely to happen but are catastrophes when they do. So when you get the flu, you pay, when you have a heart attack or stroke or something, the insurance pays. Do you think there should be home maintenance insurance, where every little thing that goes wrong in your house gets paid for?
@christo930 One of the things that is making us bankrupt is that instead of paying for healthcare (like every other first world country) we pay bloated insurance companies who pay their executives gigantic salaries and bonuses and shareholders and marketing an 2 million a day on lobbyists etc and then give us back what's left over to pay doctor bills when their burocracy deems it appropriate. It's insane. We pay twice as much per capita as any other country for less.
@sinistar99 That is because we have redefined what insurance is when it comes to health care. Like I said before, insurance is for catastrophic events, not everyday healthcare needs.
@christo930 "3rd world...They have all the government they could ever want, what they lack is industry." No that's completely wrong. Generally 3rd world countries have small non-intrusive government with little if any taxes. No labor laws, no environmental regulations. Plenty of industry if you want to work for 10 cents an hour or so. You got it 180 degrees backwards.
Does anyone have any common sense out there? The whole reason there is opposition to what Obama wants to do is that it would put the private insurance companies out of business. GOOD RIDDANCE! They're just pissed because they might lose their yachts and summer homes. Remember the French Revolution? Maybe they had the right idea, minus the cold-hearted murder part. You can measure the importance of a religion by the size of the war it creates.
Tim Lahayes intelligence of the End Times, at least has to make leberalistic minded democratic obama socialist fanatics wonder if we are here. in the final days of americas existence. I believe, proved in the book of Revelations, that we are close. Obama will set the way for the antichrist, with such statements as "were not a christian nation" COME ON BUDDY!! This nation was founded upon christianity!!!! Yet people worship him, because he's young and a great speaker. YAY!! ); bad choice demos
Dear tj15beaver .., There is no such word as "liberalistic" (and you misspelled this as "leberalistic".) Furthermore, the book in the bible that you cite is the Book of Revelation not "Revelations". There is no friggin' "s" at the end! You're the bible-thumper here. Get it right, moron!
I've never seen greater proof before that republicans are essentially useless.
Who actively searches out videos for a hostess they do not like, of a party they are not a part of, to watch the video then bitch and moan about useless shit bearing no applicability to anything.
Also attacking her for being gay is also a nice touch; How about we attack the kid with diabetes next; both appear to be innate genetic traits. Hey!, what about the kid born HIV-positive next guys... O.o
She must be feeling mighty foolish right about now, seeing how Obama has shown himself to be quite the little socialist.
I don't know why anyone cares about this religious bullshit and none of it changes the fact that Obama is pretty far to the left with his bailouts and socialized medicine. He even screwed secure bond holders in the Chrysler bankruptcy. I guess you can't give away a "secure" GM bond.
Hey, you like the fire department? That's socialism. So, unless you think the fire department should work for profit, guess what, you've just proven yourself to be quite the little socialist too!
The fact of the matter is that Obama is a moderate conservative. The socialism he advocates is VERY mild. I urge you to search "political compass" in google and go to the first hit. It will really put in perspective how conservative America is... not to mention how ignorant you are.
Fire departments aren't socialism and most fire depts in America are volunteer anyway. It's only the big unionized cities that have paid firemen.
Socialism sounds good, but it never works. Why do you think it take 2 to do what 1 used to be able to do? A man could raise a family on a single salary. People risked their lives to come here, when is the last time that happened?
What's not socialist about it?... It's government run...
Some great evidence there... you really convinced me with your logical argument proving why socialism doesn't work. Nevermind the fact that America with its PRIVATE health insurance system is ranked worse than the SOCIALIST systems of countries like Canada and Britain... That doesn't matter, because, since America is now a socialist nation (?) a man can't raise a family on a single salary and people don't risk their lives to get here...?
The key word is volunteer. You think I am a right wing nut and I'm not. I'm not republican and I'm not a social conservative. I oppose socialism because it doesn't work. Other countries aren't the USA. They aren't trying to run an empire, they don't send billions overseas for foreign aid (which is a crock) they aren't borrowing 2T a year. Look at the mess they made of social security. People who paid all their lives aren't going to get it because the gov blew the surplus every year.
And by the way, I'm not talking about the Clinton surplus which never existed anyway, I'm talking about the Social Security surpluses that the gov blows every single year. Now the surplus is dwindling every year and is scheduled to go negative in a few years and get worse every year after that.
I have to say I don't know much about social security. But I think you're trying to say that because our government fucked it up it doesn't work... Our government fucks lots of things up; that doesn't mean the basic idea doesn't work. Even from the way you say it, it sounds like socialism would work as long as the government didn't blow the surplus...
I don't think it's possible for the government to act responsibly with other people's money that they are forced to pay. Whenever something isn't working in gov, they ALWAYS throw more money at it, rather than improving efficiency. Another problem is that everything become political. If something is good for the politicians, but not good for the program, guess what happens? I don't like the system now, but more gov isn't going to improve it.
So are you saying we shouldn't have a government? That's what it sounds like. Or you're saying we should go back to the Articles of Confederation at least, where the government couldn't tax and everything worked out great right!...
I think we should improve efficiency... But you can't say that because the government is inefficient that we shouldn't expand it, because it's not as simple as deciding to expand or contract it; it's a question of whether we fix healthcare, and what the best way to do it is. We can't fix the overall problem of an inefficient government by stopping such a vital and pressing issue as healthcare. It's something which is much bigger than healthcare (monetarily speaking) and will take longer to fix.
The government can't fix healthcare. I guarantee you that if we get government HC it will be bankrupt or will need more money in less than 5 years. By the time the politicians put all their goodies in the bill for their friends and well connected corporations, it will be at least twice the size projected. They can't be trusted with our healthcare, it's too important.
I really hope that last line was a joke. How many trustworthy politicians do you know? Look at the post office, I can send a package through fedex for much less money and they are turning a profit. Imagine how much inefficiency there must be for a for profit competitor to give better service for less money.
No, it's not a joke. It makes sense that UPS would be more efficient, because they profit by being efficient and providing the best service. HMOs profit the most when they DON'T cover you... That's why they haven't, and won't fix the problem at hand. So long as HMOs have shareholders to hold them accountable they won't cover the millions who don't have healthcare right now. So I say it again; if we can't trust the government to fix healthcare, who can we trust?
Insurance companies are efficient in other ways as well. If they gave the same coverage as the gov program it would cost less. The government program is trying to compete with insurance companies by accepting any patient at any time. Guess which program will get all the sickest patients, the chronically ill, people with diabetes... The gov won't be able to compete and they'll create a single payer system. What about the 47m people we will dump into the HC system all at once? Shortages.
And as far as trusting the government, remember, these are the same people who gave us slavery, genocide of the American Indian, Japanese-American prison camps, gagged the press, exploded a nuclear weapon over 2 cities, tortures, can arrest without charges or access to a lawyer and other atrocities. Then there are the other gov's that have murdered in the millions. I'm not saying the American gov doesn't have good intentions and I don't believe the death board things, but to say trust the gov...
What an idiotic argument. You're saying that because the government has done bad things before, that now it can't do anything, even if it's good like PROVIDING HEALTH INSURANCE. I'm not saying to blindly trust the government--I'm saying that we can trust it more than we can trust HMOs to provide coverage to the millions of Americans who don't have it right now...
When you make statements like, "If you can't trust the government, who can you trust?", the atrocities of the government need to be pointed out. Throughout human history governments have been the cause of more suffering than anything else, including disease.
I'm not even saying the gov wants to do anything bad, I'm just pointing out that you can't trust them.
I'm not a fan of big corporations in the US because they tend to get privileged and special treatments like corp welfare, protection from competition, contracts and bailouts. But on the other hand,, our lives are what they are because of private businesses competing for our dollars. A poor person of today lives better than kings of yesterday.
Our lives are not better due to HMOs, that's for certain. For healthcare to be for profit means that they will do their best not to pay for the actual care while you pay for "coverage." It's absurd. Sure they do compete which drives down costs somewhat, but in the end if they cut prices, they reduce the coverage too, to make you think you get a better deal. They have a responsibility to their stockholders to pay for the least care and charge the most they can... It simply doesn't make sense.
HMO's were created by the government by an act of law. It's not just the insurance companies, it's the hospitals and doctors. The system is corrupt and needs reform, but the government option isn't the right plan.
To start with, people should have to pay when they get minor illnesses. If you catch a cold or flu, you should have to pay (except the very poor). Insurance should be for catastrophic events, not routine medical care. Why should an insurance company pay for a yearly checkup?
No, insurance companies have to blow 30% of their income on advertising and the likes, which the government wouldn't have to do. The whole point is to get sicker people, and everyone understands this already... The whole idea is that everyone should have healthcare, even if there are shortages and it costs the government money... And wow. "...they'll create a single payer system." Who will? Congress? Congress is barely passing the current bill... They won't be passing single-payer any time soon.
The 30% cushion will be taken up by government inefficiency and with all the sick people, the cost will go through the roof and they won't be able to attract healthy people with lower prices. Once the system bankrupts, it will need taxpayer money. The tax payers with private ins will feel like they are paying 2 premiums and will complain. Solution? Single payer system. I believe the gov should help the poor, but this plan is not going to work.
Well it's good to know that in your expert opinion this plan won't work. Nevermind the fact that it can't go "bankrupt" because it's funded by the government. The plan is only going to cost 90 billion dollars a year. We threw away 700 billion dollars in a heartbeat for the stimulus... I think the government can handle 90 billion a year, especially when 2/3 of it is going to be paid for.
My definition of healthcare "working" is that people have healthcare. The gov't can handle more debt for now..
The gov is already bankrupt, they are simply printing the money for everything they are doing. That is what monetizing the debt means, and that means inflation. SS is bankrupt and needs 47T TODAY to keep it from becoming our entire budget by around 2020. It's not going to cost 90b a year.
Anyway, if the government likes HC so much, then why don't we end the wars and downscale our millitary to a true peacetime size so we can afford it?
Because that's not how the government works... I'm with you 100% that the government is grossly overspending on the whole and that something drastic needs to be done soon about it, but I think healthcare is something which is important enough to override that for now, especially considering how small the cost is in comparison to other programs and how important it is compared to other programs. I never heard so much about spending in the Bush years; why now, with something like healthcare?
I for one, was complaining loudly and protested the war. I consider myself a social liberal but a fiscal conservative. If the government would downscale the military and end the 3 wars we are now involved in, stopped funding stupid shit like corn ethanol, ended corporate welfare and foreign aid, we could have healthcare for all. The people need the political will to make congress stop wasting money so we can have a tax break AND healthcare.
I agree with you... I just think that the lives of the 50 million uninsured are priority here. Such a cleanup of spending in Washington would be a long and difficult process. If you want to wait til after that maybe happens, you might find a healthcare system in even worse shape than it is now. I say we fix healthcare, then get cracking on the government overall. No matter how fast congress spends our taxes, it seems ridiculous to slam on the brakes when we reach such an important issue!
So fire departments in big cities don't work? And I dunno about your town, but my town has a professional, full time fire department. I think it works pretty well. Don't you realize my point that you can't just say "socialism doesn't work" because, at the very least, it's an oversimplification?
Maybe you're right that other countries aren't sending billions overseas like us. But they also spend half as much on healthcare as us...
I don't think you're a right wing nut, just ignorant...
This program of HC reform is actually going to make the insurance companies more money. Since the gov program is not going to turn down people or deny coverage, every single person with chronic health programs are going to go on the gov program which takes most of the risk off the private companies and they end up spending less and profit margins will go up.
You really believe that? The fact of that matter is that the healthcare companies do a fantastic job making sure they don't have to cover sick people. Even the healthcare industry knows they're going to lose out big time if there is a public option; why do you think they're so fervently opposing it?
christians, Jews and Muslims all need to join and create one religion.
just imagine all three as a wagon wheel. they all worship the same god and they each have a specific "messenger" or profit that turned people to there religion
I'm sorry to inform you that Christians, Jews, and Muslims aren't even three religions... there are thousands of sects. Emo Philips does a great joke at the end of this video about it: watch?v=ZeaccnhgcNc
The reason that there are all these religions is that they are all man-made. And that's why they're absurd and we don't need them at all. They don't do any good for the human race (the religious part that is; charity work is irrelevant). Maybe people can just believe in god and leave it at that
must read this. once u have started there is no turning back. a little 10 year old girl was raped and murderded in 1945. her body was not found until 1947. then a boy last week read this and did not copy and paste this message. the dead girl appeared in his room haunting him and killed him. if you do not copy and paste this onto 10 vidoes in 30 minutes the dead girl will apear in your room tonight and haunt you and kill you. well you better start to copy and paste to be saved srry
Marxism is secular christianity- christianity is religous Marxism. Jewish domination of religous and secular life. Both lead to liberalism and to death.
Ok you dont take people seriously???? Who takes you serious? Your an IDIOT. There is a reason your ratings are in the toilet.. Oh by the way obama says that GAYS CANNOT MARRY!!!!
That comment just made you sound like a complete idiot, so well done! And FYI Rachel Maddows ratings are in no way shape or form low. Fact. She's getting more viewers than Larry King.
If you don't like her show then why watch it on youtube and then leave useless comments that aren't factual?
Bitch from hell. Gets her talking points from the DNC and a lackie for Obama.
68air 1 month ago
I wish she had shown some examples of why Obama isn't a socialist.
jimbolimbo369 3 months ago
@jimbolimbo369 because the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the acusee, How about showing us how he IS a socialist... and the ACTUAL definition of a socialist, not the popularized "Anything but the way we think is Socialism" todays republicans re-definition
AlterBooks 3 weeks ago
@AlterBooks I'm not saying he is or isn't, i just wish she had provided examples, so I can go, "oh ok, those are some reasons why", instead of just taking maddow's word for it.
jimbolimbo369 3 weeks ago
I can't believe entire societys are being built and influenced by religionto this very day. We will never progress as a species if we don't progress our way of thinking and cease to worship a deity which has never been proved to be real and is most likely not.
TheSovietSamurai 4 months ago
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She is a complete idiot...as her ratings prove it.
AUD1438 4 months ago
She is a complete idiot...as her rating prove it.
AUD1438 4 months ago
@AUD1438 shes only an idiot to retards
RWHazed 2 weeks ago
Please answer this question concerning the rapture, if the bible is the holy word of God then all things in it must be true, then how do you, who believe in the rapture, deal with this scripture which of itself kills any idea of a rapture. "Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection." This resurrection takes place at the end of the tribulation and the beginning of the 1000 yrs.
Fitzlight62 6 months ago
19 people are nut-jobs who think the anti-Christ (maybe Obama) is going to cum and rape their bootyholes with homozzzexual sodomies.
meisema666 7 months ago
Keep them in constant fear: of other nations, of other races, of other religions, the end times, of the antichrist, of the guy who may set up the set up to the antichrist, of everything, EVERYTHING!! Fear all, believe only those who believe just like you (and not all of them, either) and everything will be great. Does anyone else see the idiocy required to believe in this?
MagnesDrachen13 8 months ago
We need to "leave behind" the authors of these books.Trash literature...
tedmon11 10 months ago
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Rachel Madcow Fox News is enjoying huge success, and this is the best MSNBC can come up with?
cincyblows 10 months ago
Yikes Dykes.
zxer91 1 year ago
It's obvious some of these anti-Christian people have an agenda. Yes, the Left behind series has sold over 65 million copies. The Bible itself, is the world's best selling book in history. Now you can see the double standard here. Why doesn't Rachel invite some of the modern day soothsayers and crackpots on her show. Ask them about some of their predictions for the world.
josephc28 1 year ago
Obama giving tax cuts to 95% of all American businesses and not even raising taxes on giant corporations beyond what Bush and the pubs set to expire --that's hardly socialist by any measure. Bush'd Tarp bill and no bid contracts... now THAT's socialism!
sinistar99 1 year ago
Rachel Maddow is an Oxford educated Rhodes Scholar (take note Christine O'Donnell) who has her pulse on what is right in American politics. Her nightly show contains the most well researched information I've ever seen or heard. The difference between the accuracy of her programme and the low brow, muck raking rubbish on the Fox Network is in a word QUALITY. Rachel cares about her audience enough to ensure that she delivers only the best in television journalism. Rachel is an American treasure.
Georgie2047 1 year ago 13
@Georgie2047 I agree with Dr. Maddow, until she states that "none of us have the right to judge anyone else's religious beliefs". All religion is unsubstantiated nonsense, written by pre-modern, ignoramuses. Nonsense should not be respected and it certainly should be judged accordingly.
heathdwatts 6 months ago
@Georgie2047 This was very well said and totally accurate. If more journalists were as devoted to getting to the bottom of the story, like Maddow and her team, I think our political landscape would look markedly different.
alphacause 4 months ago
rachel is satan... msnbc is my stool sample.... liberals are retards...
NoiseCollector 1 year ago
God damn religion.
VoidedMirror 1 year ago
ist irgendjemand mal auf die idee gekomme das was in der bibel steht zu hinterfragen ? du kannst nicht an die evolutionstheorie und gleichzeitig an die bibel glauben.
beides wiederspricht sich.
wegaify 1 year ago
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wegaify 1 year ago
Is it me or does Kent Jones remind you of the little boy that played Jody on Family Affair?
nellgwen48 1 year ago
This guy needs to look the definition of socialism cos he seems to have missed a few important points. What it actually is for a start.
punkmanjon 1 year ago 2
Both parties support the war mongering War Criminal policies of the mass murdering Debt Syndicate, sick-O inbreed banker collectivists seeking to slaughter everyone on the planet and plunder /everything/ for themselves.
Poking fun at Republicans is a waste of breath.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
OK, here's the gauntlet to the "Argh, he's a socialist" mongers....what "socialism" has Obama done so far? Milquetoast healthcare reform? Moderate wallstreet reform? Wanting to repeal Bush tax cuts to help the economy? Cutting taxes for the middle class? What has he done that has been SOOOOOO socialist in his time in office? Name it. What has he done? He's been a liberal (sort of), he's made some decisions the GOP doesn't like, but where's the socialism he's being accused of? I'd like an answer
MagnesDrachen13 1 year ago
@MagnesDrachen13 You're more right than you think: He's not even repealing the Bush tax cuts! Just letting them expire as Bush and the Republicans intended...and not even THAT for 95% of Americans! As a middle class wage earner I PAY LESS TAXES UNDER OBAMA. So does Joe the Plumber! Exxon executives may pay a little more when the Bush tax cuts expire so that makes Obama a socialist! Republicans make no sense!
sinistar99 1 year ago
I love the last line here, "and they see that as good news..."
Revelations doesn't claim to be a chronological map of the End of Days. It even warns that people shouldn't add meaning to the text that isn't there (last chapter) so how do political activists like Lahey and John Hagee get away with this deception?
The reason they don't want you to look for the Antichrist is because they are the antichrists Christ himself warned about. Wolves in sheep's clothing.
mackenzienellis 1 year ago
It's not a fiction series - it's a plan.
bloomingdedalus 1 year ago
I SAY ROCK ON SOCIALISM!!!!!
FUCK ZIONISTS AND NEO-CONSERVATIVES!!! COMRADE OBAMA IS THE LENIN OF OUR GENERATION!
filipinopride4ever 1 year ago
depressing =(
somethingblablabla 1 year ago
its funny that "socialism" is interpreted as total government control, where it can even decide who is rich and who is poor. There IS a different way to do it, like most european countries do. They too are socialists, but they dont seem to be in this "hell on earth" state.
Max10192 1 year ago
@Max10192 Yeah totally! Denmark and England and hell Japan for that matter have 100% government run socialized health insurance --are they hellish communist dictatorships with people standing in line for bread and marching with Stalin? heheh...
sinistar99 1 year ago
did some of the books these people bought get bought because people wanted a good laugh reading bullshit? I hope so.
moondreamer68 1 year ago
Religious retards have been predicting end times since religion was invented. Shut the fuck up already and collect your money. Huckabee, Ayn Rand would consider your religious nonsense as odious as Stalin and Lenin. Your are a poor excuse for a human. God. Look in the mirror. See, I do make mistakes.
luvmegan 1 year ago
I thought LaHaye was just a regular Christian-crook but I recently discovered that he's the founder/head of the 'Council for National Policy' where the richest and most powerful fundies gather in secret - and gets cash off that 'neo-Crusader' (read 'murderer') Erik Prince.
OllieMugwump 1 year ago
The sad part is that I'd like to read the Left Behind series. But I don't want to line the pockets of idiots. :/
eljagg01 1 year ago
@eljagg01 Try borrowing it from some Christian friend of yours. You know, it might be worth trying to have a reasoned, sensible conversation with them about the content of the texts.
Suggested topics:
Portrayal of Israel versus the reality
The identity of the Antichrist
The portrayal of events described in Revelations
Why sixteen books are required to narrate what in my bible takes about 30 pages
Good luck with that read. Luckily, most of the books have been adapted for the screen ;-)
mackenzienellis 1 year ago
@mackenzienellis Thanks for the advice, but I don't know any Christians. There's always Ebay!
eljagg01 1 year ago
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@eljagg01 "The sad part is that I'd like to read the Left Behind series. But I don't want to line the pockets of idiots" Get it at a used paperback exchange. Or don't, you're not missing much they really are crap books.
sinistar99 1 year ago
What a surprise to learn that those people can read!
Jenkins and LaHaye are simple-minded, ignorant people. The fact that they can read and write notwithstanding, their education is severely limited.
yarmo28 1 year ago
@yarmo28 Yeah...but don't underestimate their ability to seem enlightened to a-literate masses. Their story is convincing, because it comes from the most awe-inspiring and action-packed book of the bible they've been fed from a lazy pulpit all their lives. These two have been fed a false Christianity and they share that curse with all their followers...they are what the bible calls the "seeming-wise but ignorant" the ones who claim to teach secret knowledge of God.
mackenzienellis 1 year ago
@mackenzienellis What you say is sad but true. The Bible is truly a wonderful collection of the various folk tales of region we call Iraq, perhaps with a bit of Egyptian / African folklore thrown in. Lest anyone make the mistake of interpreting such stories as the word of some deity, he/she should study the folk tales of other literate peoples of that region.
yarmo28 1 year ago
There is a lot of insane people out there...
Cookiefox 1 year ago
"None of us have the right to judge anybody else's religious beliefs." I'm disappointed to hear her falling into that kind of thinking.
lanegwyn 1 year ago
In communist theory, the party is a representative of the proletarian class; much like the republican party represents people who identify as republicans.
When is this rapture coming? It's time for these people to leave!
michaelxfrancis 1 year ago
@michaelxfrancis In communist theory that may be the idea, but in actual practice it is no more than a mouthpiece for the ruling class which in this case is the party itself. As for when the Rapture happens, no one really knows except to say that it will all happen in due time. By the way, which people do you mean to leave?
queenblanche 1 year ago
@michaelxfrancis Oh! I forgot to ask......are you a communist by chance?
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Someone needs to feed that beyotch a sammich. a dick sammich.
libssuck55 1 year ago
Lady, take off your sleep mask so you can see what is going on!!!
cbtaken 1 year ago
Of course Obama is a Socialist.. He was mentored by them, he has (and had) many friends who are Socialists. He proposes socialist ideas (Think healthcare!) As for being the Antichrist, I doubt it. He doesn't have the guts. Though, I do believe Christ's return (Rapture) is near. I won't speculate as to when, but I see it as good because of those who will turn to Him after it occurs.
Timbrock1000 1 year ago
@Timbrock1000 No he's not a socialist. He was not mentored by socialists. He believes our health care system sucks and needs to be reformed and he's right. We have socialist fire departments does that make us socialist? We have socialist highways too. OMG we're marching with Stalin! No socialist would cut taxes on 95% of businesses in this country. A socialist might sighn the TARP bill (Bush).
sinistar99 1 year ago
@sinistar99 Things fire depts., police, and such are justifiable tax-supported systems. A fire dept. comes to put out a fire not just to save the house, but to keep the fire from spreading through the neighborhood. Police are hired to enforce our laws thus keeping the public safe from criminals. Highways are also justifiable as they are needed by the public. BUT, taking over the health care, and auto industry borders on Socialism. Obama has shown his Socialist ideals in his speaches & writings
Timbrock1000 1 year ago
"You think Obama is sort of a secret-socialist who's hiding his secret agenda?" Hah! You could so tell that Rachel was trying hard not to laugh in this man's face. :)
SnickersInTheBarn 1 year ago
This women has to be working for the Gov, Im tired of keeping my mouth shut. Just like DC, She has no idea at all about what it means to be an American. She preys on stupid Americans and her ratings show just that. I ONLY watch her to figure out what policies are being pushed and how they want us to feel about it. Its like having inside info. If she had a sex change, they did a horrible job!
HILL1776BILLY 1 year ago
@andharvey8
Yeah, good luck finding one.
JMSofSweden 1 year ago
geez, if your going to interview a conservative, why don't you pick a sane one so that we can have something to comment about.
andharvey8 1 year ago
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What a dumb bitch!!
CaniacTiLLIDie 1 year ago
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obama=marxism=slavery----------fight the power
8161964mc 2 years ago
8161964mc you are the clear picture of stupidity
WhatsAfterThisPlace 1 year ago 6
rachel maddow claims to be a lesbian, but i do believe she is a man--and i also think michelle obama is a drag queen named RU PAUL
8161964mc 2 years ago
no lets be clear,he is a marxist pig and a dismal failure
8161964mc 2 years ago
Lets be clear, Obama is NOT the antichrist.
Anyone who knows anything realizes that the antichrist will be conceived in the Whitehouse's Lincoln bedroom. And we all know that Obama wasn't even born on the North American continent. Ergo, Obama cannot be the antichrist. Wallstreet limousine liberal Yes, antichrist No.
There may only be a very limited number of differences between a Wallstreet limousine liberal and the antichrist but they are important differences.
CaptJJYossarian 2 years ago
@CaptJJYossarian For a "Wallstreet Limousine Liberal," Obama has signed into law the most sweeping wallstreet reform since after the Great Depression. I love these little meaningless buzz words GOP think tanks come up with... "limousine liberal" hah whatever that means.
sinistar99 1 year ago
Stop the lies about Rachel - she is not a sexual deviant, she is married to a man and has two children...
owatadikiam 2 years ago 3
Well...partially right. She isnt a sexual deviant and she isnt married, but she IS gay and she is in a relationship with a woman.
Socinus 2 years ago
@owatadikiam ... no she isn't? Is this some sort of joke?
Trimbler00 1 year ago
@owatadikiam If you visit her website, it says that she lives with her partner Susan Mikula. Wherever you got the idea that she is married to a man and has two children is COMPLETELY wrong.
swimmergirl8710 10 months ago
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Dishonest communists like Maddow should be captured and executed.
crutmauler 2 years ago
its not world socialism that will bring world peace. Its world communism. And the government will not control everything, it will not exist. In communism there are no social classes, so no need for a government to protect the rich from the poor, hence no government. Not government control.
deathlikesilence710 2 years ago
Are you kidding me? Communism is not a classless system. It is usually composed of two distinct classes, the "proletariat" and the party brass. Do you seriously think that the party bosses live like the rest of society? If you do, then you're more gullible than I thought.
queenblanche 2 years ago 3
no im not kidding you.That is what traditional marxist communism is. What you are referring to is what would happen if put into affect. What i described is the philosophy of Karl Marx
deathlikesilence710 2 years ago
Then maybe you can explain why when communism takes over millions of people lose their lives? Why would the party be threatened by freedom of conscience or thought or religion or whatever? If what I'm describing is what happens if it is put into effect, why should anyone desire such a system? And besides, you're discounting the very nature of the human heart which is filled with lust, greed, murder, deceit and other unsavory thing so it has to be kept under control with force.
queenblanche 2 years ago
im talking about the ideology of communism not its actual implementation. What it is meant to do is bring world peace, but when it is put into effect society as it is now (our values, morals and norms) fucks it up. Under communism it is assumed that human nature is essentially good. so the people who think it could work are the few who are fixed in that ideology.
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@queenblanche "Then maybe you can explain why when communism takes over millions of people lose their lives?" When ANY system "takes over" people lose their lives. In each case it's different. Nobody had to lose their lives in violence when Sweeden switched to a communist socialist health care system did they? Or Great Britian?
sinistar99 1 year ago
The proletariat leadership is a transitional stage between the prior system and communism, it IS NOT communism. Communism in its final form is a stateless (no government), classless, egalitarian society. It is Utopian, but so is a fair and non-chaotic laizzes-faire capitalist system. Neither system has existed in history on a grand scale.
trehansen 1 year ago
Am I to gather from your postings that you yourself is a communist? Well, if you insist on believing the ludicrous, I believe that I have some lakefront property in the Sahara that I can sell to you and your fellow communists for more than a fair price.
queenblanche 1 year ago
@queenblanche I think the challenge in understanding is that the hypothetical Communism that some talk about is not the same as the applied attempts at Communism ... hence why we get the occasional hyphenation: Marxist-Communism, Leninist-Communism, etc. ... to me it boils down to a 'failure to communicate', in that we use the same words, but as Rachel Maddow pointed out, those words have different meanings for different people.
Alitari 1 year ago
@queenblanche In communist theory, the party is a representative of the proletarian class; much like the republican party represents people who identify as republicans.
michaelxfrancis 1 year ago
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@queenblanche In communist theory, the party is a representative of the proletarian class; much like the republican party represents people who identify as republicans.
michaelxfrancis 1 year ago
@queenblanche That's not accurate I know this was posted 8 months ago, but I need to correct this. Communism is a classless system. However, when human error comes into play, such as in Russia, it quickly changes from Communism to Facism, ruled by an all-powerful governing body. Communism is a system in which everyone does equal labor and is on equal ground sociologically. Of course this can't happen in real life, but that's what Communism is. You're describing a facist state, not communism.
AIReject 1 year ago
@AIReject I am describing communism as it's actually practiced. Call it communism, call it fascism, call it whatever mankind (meaning the "proletariat" in this case) usually comes out on the losing end. The government winds up owning everthing and the power rests in the hands of the few, meaning the communist elite in this case. Honestly, do you really know of any communist country in the world today where the people have total autonomy over their own lives without government influence?
queenblanche 1 year ago
@queenblanche I was discussing communism as communism is defined, which ahs no government or rulign power at all. If a country that claims to be communist has a rulign power or higher class, then it isn't communism.
AIReject 1 year ago
@AIReject Then what do you call it? Defining communism is one thing, practical application is quite another. IF you don't have some form of government or accountability no matter what you call the form of government then society would quickly degenerate into chaos very quickly. If what you say is true, then which countries in the world today would you classify as "truly communist"? By the way, you never did answer my question: are you yourself a communist?
queenblanche 1 year ago
@queenblanche Current countries under the label "Communism" are actually facist dictatorships, which has its own classification. In true communism, there is no government, everyone is mostly equal and keep each other in check for the good of the society by doing whatever duties are required of them based on their skill set. Of course, because of human desires, this is only a utopian ideal. So yes, in that sense, I'm communist, but of course it can't actually happen. It doesn't work.
AIReject 1 year ago
@AIReject That's just what I was trying to point out to you. Utopian ideas like communism, socialism, Naziism, fascism, etc.,could never work in real life because of what you yourself just pointed out; political philosophies like the foregoing generally ignore the nature of man. Man is always trying to exalt himself many times at the cost of his neighbor because there is always something deep within the heart of man that yearns for more. He doesn't care how he get 's there.
queenblanche 1 year ago
@queenblanche I was already well aware of that. Heck, Ie ven said it. I was just pointing out that even though they claim to be communist, they aren't, bacause they have a governmental body or ruler. There's no confrontation here. It just is. I don't even see why it's up for debate. It's just a matter of fact.
AIReject 1 year ago
@AIReject Well, okay then. You win.
queenblanche 1 year ago
@queenblanche
Well, actually they did live a lot like the proletariat for a while after the revolution in Russia. They didn't go hungry or anything but Stalin's daughter Svetlana, for instance, took the tram to school without bodyguards every day. It started to change towards the end of the 30s as the political persecution escalated.
INatalkaI 1 year ago
@queenblanche
kinda like the pope huh?
metalreign81 1 year ago
@metalreign81 What do you mean "kinda like the pope"? I wouldn't know about that since I"m not a Catholic.
queenblanche 1 year ago
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Maddow was caught in a rave with too much XTC in her system and she and her galpal had to be rushed to the hospital where she complained of pain in her abdoman....
Upon x-ray they found a television remote control that had been shoved into her pussy and was wedged in there for several days causing infection.....
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ASentinel2 2 years ago
Source?
CaptainVideo890 2 years ago
Anti Christ, Rapture, Religious fruitcake ideas.
bartlettbooks1 2 years ago
And do you really think a homeless person on the streets of New York has a higher quality of life than a king of yesterday? Ramses II lived to be about 82. Do you think a hobo could (if homeless all his life) could live to be 82? The fact is that the kings of yesterday had it pretty good... if it weren't for the internet I might say better than myself. But even more important, poverty is a huge issue even in this country, and by saying that you trivialize it and are simply wrong about it...
athrough0 2 years ago
No air conditioning, no refrigerator , no bright ligts and the lights they did have smelled and consumed oxygen and gave off smoke. They did not have the ability to travel the way we do and they certainly could not have enjoyed food from far away lands. You think the king of england could eat a banana or other tropical fruits? It would spoil by the time it reached him. Most kings didn't live that long and if they got a disease, they were goners. You have so much, that you don't see it.
christo930 2 years ago
Um. I'm not poor. And anyway, I don't think that stuff contributes to my overall happiness. If I didn't know what bananas were I wouldn't miss them. If I didn't have air conditioning I'd be used to it. It's all relative. But more importantly... the poor don't have air conditioning or refrigerators or lights or travel even today... maybe they acquire a banana from time to time.
Kings back then lived pretty comfortably, even without modern technology, and the poor today do not. It's that simple.
athrough0 2 years ago
I didn't say you were poor, and I know it's all relative. Kings lived better than peasants of their time, but not todays peasants. I am not sure which "poor" you are talking about, but I am talking about American poor. If you are talking about the 3rd world poor, what do we have that they don't have? Corporations and businesses, that's what. They have all the government they could ever want, what they lack is industry.
christo930 2 years ago
American poor is still pretty poor... There are still people in America who don't have the things you mentioned which are supposed to make their lives better than kings. Even having said that, you can't judge quality of life solely on the technology available. A king is always going to be happier than a poor person because of their power and influence, and because the poor person has to scrape by and constantly worry about their situation. I think you overestimate the poor American lifestyle...
athrough0 2 years ago
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that point. In any event, I am very confident that the government is going to screw up the HC system. America is already pretty much bankrupt, much of the gov spending has come in the form of inflation which is going to impoverish us even more. In the best case scenario the US gov is going to dump 50 Million people into the HC system and there will be shortages for years.
christo930 2 years ago
Yes we will. I still would like to know what you think we should do to fix the problem that we have right now, and is getting worse and worse every year. I can respect opposition to this plan on the bases you've mentioned, but only if I know you support doing something about the system... I mean, it sounds like you just want to leave it the way it is, and I don't see how that could be any better than the government trying to fix it, even if the government does a bad job.
athrough0 2 years ago
I would support a system where insurance is reformed and competition is allowed in the market.
Stop thinking of health insurance as someone to pay your bills. People should have to pay for their own basic healthcare. If you break your arm or get the flu and things like that, you should pay the bill (exemptions for low income people and their children) (drive down costs)
The market for insurance should be opened up. Right now you can't shop across state lines for insurance, fix that.
christo930 2 years ago
Right now there are monopolies in every state with health insurance. Opening up the market to out of state competition would help. Pass federal laws to stop ins companies from denying pre-existing conditions or medically necessary procedures.
Lawsuit reform. People should be able to sue their dr for messing them up, but get rid of frivolous lawsuits. These seem like a good place to start.
christo930 2 years ago
Okay, I can respect those ideas. I still believe that a public option would work better in fixing the system and actually saving the country money in the long run. The luxury of this debate here is that we can just agree to disagree since our arguments aren't going to change anything about what actually happens. Maybe the public option will turn out to be a disaster, or maybe it will be a great success. We can only wait and see.
athrough0 2 years ago
I meant "agree to disagree" about the poor living better than kings. But in any event, I am glad we had this discussion. It was respectful and I think we both learned something. thanks.
christo930 2 years ago
By the way; the public option would increase competition... Just sayin'
athrough0 2 years ago
@christo930 "Stop thinking of health insurance as someone to pay your bills" Hahah what the hell is it for then? That's like saying stop thinking of fire departments as someone to put out your fires. people should put out their own fires, build their own roads... test their own food for bacteria....Some things work better when we do them as a group than as individuals. That's all there is to it.
sinistar99 1 year ago
@sinistar99 Insurance isn't for day to day expenses, it's for things that are unlikely to happen but are catastrophes when they do. So when you get the flu, you pay, when you have a heart attack or stroke or something, the insurance pays. Do you think there should be home maintenance insurance, where every little thing that goes wrong in your house gets paid for?
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 One of the things that is making us bankrupt is that instead of paying for healthcare (like every other first world country) we pay bloated insurance companies who pay their executives gigantic salaries and bonuses and shareholders and marketing an 2 million a day on lobbyists etc and then give us back what's left over to pay doctor bills when their burocracy deems it appropriate. It's insane. We pay twice as much per capita as any other country for less.
sinistar99 1 year ago
@sinistar99 That is because we have redefined what insurance is when it comes to health care. Like I said before, insurance is for catastrophic events, not everyday healthcare needs.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 "3rd world...They have all the government they could ever want, what they lack is industry." No that's completely wrong. Generally 3rd world countries have small non-intrusive government with little if any taxes. No labor laws, no environmental regulations. Plenty of industry if you want to work for 10 cents an hour or so. You got it 180 degrees backwards.
sinistar99 1 year ago
@sinistar99 Got some examples? Ever tried starting a business in one of these places?
christo930 1 year ago
These guys are idiots. The reason the dinosaurs are extinct is because they didn't have a space program.
grandpadewey 2 years ago
Does anyone have any common sense out there? The whole reason there is opposition to what Obama wants to do is that it would put the private insurance companies out of business. GOOD RIDDANCE! They're just pissed because they might lose their yachts and summer homes. Remember the French Revolution? Maybe they had the right idea, minus the cold-hearted murder part. You can measure the importance of a religion by the size of the war it creates.
grandpadewey 2 years ago
I'd vote Republican, but I'm too poor. Thank about it.
grandpadewey 2 years ago
Christian fanatics make me sick
ElleWoodsAttorney 2 years ago 3
Tim Lahayes intelligence of the End Times, at least has to make leberalistic minded democratic obama socialist fanatics wonder if we are here. in the final days of americas existence. I believe, proved in the book of Revelations, that we are close. Obama will set the way for the antichrist, with such statements as "were not a christian nation" COME ON BUDDY!! This nation was founded upon christianity!!!! Yet people worship him, because he's young and a great speaker. YAY!! ); bad choice demos
tj15beaver 2 years ago
Dear tj15beaver .., There is no such word as "liberalistic" (and you misspelled this as "leberalistic".) Furthermore, the book in the bible that you cite is the Book of Revelation not "Revelations". There is no friggin' "s" at the end! You're the bible-thumper here. Get it right, moron!
rambot02 2 years ago 3
I've never seen greater proof before that republicans are essentially useless.
Who actively searches out videos for a hostess they do not like, of a party they are not a part of, to watch the video then bitch and moan about useless shit bearing no applicability to anything.
Also attacking her for being gay is also a nice touch; How about we attack the kid with diabetes next; both appear to be innate genetic traits. Hey!, what about the kid born HIV-positive next guys... O.o
Fucking hurtin'.
TAz69x 2 years ago
She must be feeling mighty foolish right about now, seeing how Obama has shown himself to be quite the little socialist.
I don't know why anyone cares about this religious bullshit and none of it changes the fact that Obama is pretty far to the left with his bailouts and socialized medicine. He even screwed secure bond holders in the Chrysler bankruptcy. I guess you can't give away a "secure" GM bond.
christo930 2 years ago
Hey, you like the fire department? That's socialism. So, unless you think the fire department should work for profit, guess what, you've just proven yourself to be quite the little socialist too!
The fact of the matter is that Obama is a moderate conservative. The socialism he advocates is VERY mild. I urge you to search "political compass" in google and go to the first hit. It will really put in perspective how conservative America is... not to mention how ignorant you are.
athrough0 2 years ago
Fire departments aren't socialism and most fire depts in America are volunteer anyway. It's only the big unionized cities that have paid firemen.
Socialism sounds good, but it never works. Why do you think it take 2 to do what 1 used to be able to do? A man could raise a family on a single salary. People risked their lives to come here, when is the last time that happened?
christo930 2 years ago
What's not socialist about it?... It's government run...
Some great evidence there... you really convinced me with your logical argument proving why socialism doesn't work. Nevermind the fact that America with its PRIVATE health insurance system is ranked worse than the SOCIALIST systems of countries like Canada and Britain... That doesn't matter, because, since America is now a socialist nation (?) a man can't raise a family on a single salary and people don't risk their lives to get here...?
athrough0 2 years ago
The key word is volunteer. You think I am a right wing nut and I'm not. I'm not republican and I'm not a social conservative. I oppose socialism because it doesn't work. Other countries aren't the USA. They aren't trying to run an empire, they don't send billions overseas for foreign aid (which is a crock) they aren't borrowing 2T a year. Look at the mess they made of social security. People who paid all their lives aren't going to get it because the gov blew the surplus every year.
christo930 2 years ago
And by the way, I'm not talking about the Clinton surplus which never existed anyway, I'm talking about the Social Security surpluses that the gov blows every single year. Now the surplus is dwindling every year and is scheduled to go negative in a few years and get worse every year after that.
christo930 2 years ago
I have to say I don't know much about social security. But I think you're trying to say that because our government fucked it up it doesn't work... Our government fucks lots of things up; that doesn't mean the basic idea doesn't work. Even from the way you say it, it sounds like socialism would work as long as the government didn't blow the surplus...
athrough0 2 years ago
I don't think it's possible for the government to act responsibly with other people's money that they are forced to pay. Whenever something isn't working in gov, they ALWAYS throw more money at it, rather than improving efficiency. Another problem is that everything become political. If something is good for the politicians, but not good for the program, guess what happens? I don't like the system now, but more gov isn't going to improve it.
christo930 2 years ago
So are you saying we shouldn't have a government? That's what it sounds like. Or you're saying we should go back to the Articles of Confederation at least, where the government couldn't tax and everything worked out great right!...
athrough0 2 years ago
I think we should improve efficiency... But you can't say that because the government is inefficient that we shouldn't expand it, because it's not as simple as deciding to expand or contract it; it's a question of whether we fix healthcare, and what the best way to do it is. We can't fix the overall problem of an inefficient government by stopping such a vital and pressing issue as healthcare. It's something which is much bigger than healthcare (monetarily speaking) and will take longer to fix.
athrough0 2 years ago
The government can't fix healthcare. I guarantee you that if we get government HC it will be bankrupt or will need more money in less than 5 years. By the time the politicians put all their goodies in the bill for their friends and well connected corporations, it will be at least twice the size projected. They can't be trusted with our healthcare, it's too important.
christo930 2 years ago
So... who fixes it? The private corporations? They're loving it the way it is. The government is the only thing that CAN fix it...
Is that a money back guarantee? Or is it just a guarantee that doesn't mean anything. I think the latter.
Hopefully the bill won't have all that extra crap in it. We'll see how much of this crap there ends up being soon enough, and if it goes bankrupt.
If we can't trust the government, who can we trust?
athrough0 2 years ago
I really hope that last line was a joke. How many trustworthy politicians do you know? Look at the post office, I can send a package through fedex for much less money and they are turning a profit. Imagine how much inefficiency there must be for a for profit competitor to give better service for less money.
christo930 2 years ago
No, it's not a joke. It makes sense that UPS would be more efficient, because they profit by being efficient and providing the best service. HMOs profit the most when they DON'T cover you... That's why they haven't, and won't fix the problem at hand. So long as HMOs have shareholders to hold them accountable they won't cover the millions who don't have healthcare right now. So I say it again; if we can't trust the government to fix healthcare, who can we trust?
athrough0 2 years ago
Insurance companies are efficient in other ways as well. If they gave the same coverage as the gov program it would cost less. The government program is trying to compete with insurance companies by accepting any patient at any time. Guess which program will get all the sickest patients, the chronically ill, people with diabetes... The gov won't be able to compete and they'll create a single payer system. What about the 47m people we will dump into the HC system all at once? Shortages.
christo930 2 years ago
And as far as trusting the government, remember, these are the same people who gave us slavery, genocide of the American Indian, Japanese-American prison camps, gagged the press, exploded a nuclear weapon over 2 cities, tortures, can arrest without charges or access to a lawyer and other atrocities. Then there are the other gov's that have murdered in the millions. I'm not saying the American gov doesn't have good intentions and I don't believe the death board things, but to say trust the gov...
christo930 2 years ago
What an idiotic argument. You're saying that because the government has done bad things before, that now it can't do anything, even if it's good like PROVIDING HEALTH INSURANCE. I'm not saying to blindly trust the government--I'm saying that we can trust it more than we can trust HMOs to provide coverage to the millions of Americans who don't have it right now...
athrough0 2 years ago
When you make statements like, "If you can't trust the government, who can you trust?", the atrocities of the government need to be pointed out. Throughout human history governments have been the cause of more suffering than anything else, including disease.
I'm not even saying the gov wants to do anything bad, I'm just pointing out that you can't trust them.
christo930 2 years ago
I'm not fan of blindly trusting the government either, but I'll trust the government before I trust a corporation.
athrough0 2 years ago
I'm not a fan of big corporations in the US because they tend to get privileged and special treatments like corp welfare, protection from competition, contracts and bailouts. But on the other hand,, our lives are what they are because of private businesses competing for our dollars. A poor person of today lives better than kings of yesterday.
christo930 2 years ago
Our lives are not better due to HMOs, that's for certain. For healthcare to be for profit means that they will do their best not to pay for the actual care while you pay for "coverage." It's absurd. Sure they do compete which drives down costs somewhat, but in the end if they cut prices, they reduce the coverage too, to make you think you get a better deal. They have a responsibility to their stockholders to pay for the least care and charge the most they can... It simply doesn't make sense.
athrough0 2 years ago
HMO's were created by the government by an act of law. It's not just the insurance companies, it's the hospitals and doctors. The system is corrupt and needs reform, but the government option isn't the right plan.
To start with, people should have to pay when they get minor illnesses. If you catch a cold or flu, you should have to pay (except the very poor). Insurance should be for catastrophic events, not routine medical care. Why should an insurance company pay for a yearly checkup?
christo930 2 years ago
Insurance should pay for that because otherwise people wouldn't bother to spend their money for smaller things like that.
What should we do then. How can we fix the system if not by this government plan?
athrough0 2 years ago
No, insurance companies have to blow 30% of their income on advertising and the likes, which the government wouldn't have to do. The whole point is to get sicker people, and everyone understands this already... The whole idea is that everyone should have healthcare, even if there are shortages and it costs the government money... And wow. "...they'll create a single payer system." Who will? Congress? Congress is barely passing the current bill... They won't be passing single-payer any time soon.
athrough0 2 years ago
The 30% cushion will be taken up by government inefficiency and with all the sick people, the cost will go through the roof and they won't be able to attract healthy people with lower prices. Once the system bankrupts, it will need taxpayer money. The tax payers with private ins will feel like they are paying 2 premiums and will complain. Solution? Single payer system. I believe the gov should help the poor, but this plan is not going to work.
christo930 2 years ago
Well it's good to know that in your expert opinion this plan won't work. Nevermind the fact that it can't go "bankrupt" because it's funded by the government. The plan is only going to cost 90 billion dollars a year. We threw away 700 billion dollars in a heartbeat for the stimulus... I think the government can handle 90 billion a year, especially when 2/3 of it is going to be paid for.
My definition of healthcare "working" is that people have healthcare. The gov't can handle more debt for now..
athrough0 2 years ago
The gov is already bankrupt, they are simply printing the money for everything they are doing. That is what monetizing the debt means, and that means inflation. SS is bankrupt and needs 47T TODAY to keep it from becoming our entire budget by around 2020. It's not going to cost 90b a year.
Anyway, if the government likes HC so much, then why don't we end the wars and downscale our millitary to a true peacetime size so we can afford it?
christo930 2 years ago
Because that's not how the government works... I'm with you 100% that the government is grossly overspending on the whole and that something drastic needs to be done soon about it, but I think healthcare is something which is important enough to override that for now, especially considering how small the cost is in comparison to other programs and how important it is compared to other programs. I never heard so much about spending in the Bush years; why now, with something like healthcare?
athrough0 2 years ago
I for one, was complaining loudly and protested the war. I consider myself a social liberal but a fiscal conservative. If the government would downscale the military and end the 3 wars we are now involved in, stopped funding stupid shit like corn ethanol, ended corporate welfare and foreign aid, we could have healthcare for all. The people need the political will to make congress stop wasting money so we can have a tax break AND healthcare.
christo930 2 years ago
I agree with you... I just think that the lives of the 50 million uninsured are priority here. Such a cleanup of spending in Washington would be a long and difficult process. If you want to wait til after that maybe happens, you might find a healthcare system in even worse shape than it is now. I say we fix healthcare, then get cracking on the government overall. No matter how fast congress spends our taxes, it seems ridiculous to slam on the brakes when we reach such an important issue!
athrough0 2 years ago
So fire departments in big cities don't work? And I dunno about your town, but my town has a professional, full time fire department. I think it works pretty well. Don't you realize my point that you can't just say "socialism doesn't work" because, at the very least, it's an oversimplification?
Maybe you're right that other countries aren't sending billions overseas like us. But they also spend half as much on healthcare as us...
I don't think you're a right wing nut, just ignorant...
athrough0 2 years ago
This program of HC reform is actually going to make the insurance companies more money. Since the gov program is not going to turn down people or deny coverage, every single person with chronic health programs are going to go on the gov program which takes most of the risk off the private companies and they end up spending less and profit margins will go up.
christo930 2 years ago
You really believe that? The fact of that matter is that the healthcare companies do a fantastic job making sure they don't have to cover sick people. Even the healthcare industry knows they're going to lose out big time if there is a public option; why do you think they're so fervently opposing it?
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rleary1 2 years ago
christians, Jews and Muslims all need to join and create one religion.
just imagine all three as a wagon wheel. they all worship the same god and they each have a specific "messenger" or profit that turned people to there religion
Woodstockbasses 2 years ago
not true. Judaism does not try to turn people. In fact, it is discouraged
TillMakaveliReturns 2 years ago
I'm sorry to inform you that Christians, Jews, and Muslims aren't even three religions... there are thousands of sects. Emo Philips does a great joke at the end of this video about it: watch?v=ZeaccnhgcNc
The reason that there are all these religions is that they are all man-made. And that's why they're absurd and we don't need them at all. They don't do any good for the human race (the religious part that is; charity work is irrelevant). Maybe people can just believe in god and leave it at that
athrough0 2 years ago
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gzisgay 2 years ago
Does anyone take these death cult advocates seriously ? Some Americans are f@cking crazy.
whyshouldI303 2 years ago
2 jews: christ and marx.
2 doctrines: christianity and marxism.
1 message: equality. 1 outcome: liberalism. isnt history fun?
hfd55 2 years ago
Marxism is secular christianity- christianity is religous Marxism. Jewish domination of religous and secular life. Both lead to liberalism and to death.
hfd55 2 years ago
Whether u believe it or not the antichrist willcome. Even we Muslims believe in it, we call him "Dajjal"
199khan 2 years ago
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arrivedp 2 years ago
Tim LaHaye is a sell-out. He writes books warning about the Anti-Christ but accepted money for "Rev." Moon of Korea who claims to be the real Christ.
chineseconservative 2 years ago
interesting insight. didn't know that.
aghneyya 2 years ago
Ok you dont take people seriously???? Who takes you serious? Your an IDIOT. There is a reason your ratings are in the toilet.. Oh by the way obama says that GAYS CANNOT MARRY!!!!
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4truth101 2 years ago
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torchic 2 years ago
Obama never said that Gays cannot marry.
He said that i