Rediscovering Alexander Hamilton: Interesting show. It would be nice not to hear the law of the jungle goon-line about how a hard-working youngster who blows old men can make it big in America. The truth is that luck has played, plays, and forever will play a huge role in American "success." To point to the lucky fool who got hit by a bolt of lighting and say, "Thar is how it's supposed to work in Ameeerika" is just romantic, and idiotic, idealism.
@parafleet If anything he was moving towards a corporatist society, he overcame and yet you have to incite sexual implications for such success proving you have an extremely Freudian outlook that you're combining with disdain for a particular individual. Such thinking is far from righteous; I may disdain Trotsky and Marx, but would never go so far as to say Trotsky was a necrophiliac (he killed his share of folks) or that Marx and Engels had a homosexual love affair. Use legitimate points.
@topazrain Hamilton's 1st Bank of the U.S. is far removed from the current Federal Reserve. It offered COMMERCIAL LOANS which the Fed and most modern central banks do NOT! He created a central source of capital to be lent to new businesses, growing the nation's economy and also paying off war debts. In the 95 yrs since the First Bank closed, other central banks such as England's adopted regulatory roles & set monetary policy, for which central banks are now known, so blame England, not Hamilton!
Man, I leave you alone for a bit and you flood the place. You respond to everything here?
If you're going to keep it up, you may want to remember to keep name-calling in check. It undermines your point. Reason I stopped debating you- no reason to once it devolves into name calling.
If you still hold true to your original points, I'd be happy to take up verbal sparring with you again. I'm getting bored, and it's fun to meet other viewpoints.
(c-) so "primitive" about the theory of debit and credit? Without debit & credit, nations cannot go to war (defensively or offensively), send men to the moon, help their people in times of famine, fund massive organizations like police and firemen for protection, have land conservations- why do you declare d&c to be bad? Surely it is old- as old as civilization itself. But so is farming. Would you get rid of farming too?
@AppleaLJ With debit and credit our grandchildren wont be able to pay off our debts. State independence isnt a good thing? Are you high? No wonder you support Hamilton, you are a federalist. A state is a nation. States came before the nation. There is a reason for that. If states disagree then so be it. Credit allows govt and people to pay for things they cant afford. This creates a vast amount of money that doesnt physically exist. Why do you think disagreement is a bad thing in America?
@Jononutoob Hamilton's idea of credit, were you to have read his work you would know this, was not to create money that does not exist, but was, as his report on manufacturers clearly shows, to industrially develop the nation. The debt, as any busniess owner knows, is a managable debt, paid off by increase in productivity. The problem is people aren't taught what Hamilton did, and instead compare his ideas to Bush and the Federal Reserve, et al, which are entirely different to Hamiltons ideas.
@528hertz Lets stop assuming what I have read or not read. "The debt, as any busniess owner knows, is a managable debt". Are you talking about past debt or the debt of today? Hamilton represented the British model too much. But i'm sure neo-conservatives and federalists love him. I cant pretend to know his motives or thoughts some 250 years later, but I can say his ideas led to what we have now. Hamilton was the big government of his day. Look around and explain to me why big government works.
@Jononutoob You say don't assume, but I assumed on the basis you haven't shown that you've read Hamilton, then you clarify it in this reply. He was killed by a cousin of the British PMs wife, for being a threat to the Empire. You have a poor understanding of what colonialism is in comparison to Hamiltons explicit dirigist/ mercantilist ideas if you think he represented the British. On a similar note, read the short essay Robbie Burns And The Ideas Of The American Revolution, for further insight.
@528hertz Britain raised taxes on the colonies because Britain had to pay interest to pay off the loans they took to pay for the numerous wars they fought prior to our revolution. So what does Hamilton want to do? He wants to create a central bank and borrow to pay for war and expansion!! Either Hamilton was an European goon or he was a moron who couldn't see what HAD JUST happened to Europe.Now we get to pay income taxes to pay off interest! If Hamilton didnt want that then he lied to himself
@Jononutoob Please, before you write drivel which shows yourself as a layman, at least have the intellectual curiosity to read Hamiltons work, especially his reports on Public Credit, and also Report on Manufactures. Once you've read them, you'll clearly see, explicitly as there is, that Hamilton was not a supporter of ANYTHING British, economic or socially.
@528hertz Hamilton hated British so much that he set up a bank that just so happened to be funded by The Bank of England. Private central banks are dangerous and our founders said that many times.
@Jononutoob Our Founders? Hamilton and Franklin are THE Founders of this nation!! The other faction of Founding Fathers, Jefferson et al, were slave owning agriculturalists who profited from slave labour, so clearly didn't want Hamiltons technological mercantilism.
Go and read Hamiltons reports, and then see what an intellectual genius he was. But you won't do that, as its easier to parrot Wall St propaganda and Wiki, and to decree truths as you imagine them to be.
@528hertz The Central Bank invested all the power into the North. Actually Hamilton can be remembered for creating the unbalanced economic system that caused the civil war. But lets just go back to something else. You said Hamilton and Franklin were the founders. I remember more than 2 names that began this country. And your idea on Jefferson's motives of slavery are bullshit. Jefferson saw the power FLYING to the Northern states because of the economics of the north.
@Jononutoob The cnetral bank was for, as Hamiltons reports show, industrial and technological developments, not speculation, not slavery, not luddite agriculturalists like the British controlled Southern states. Why wouldn't he want his ideas to dominate against that? My ideas of Jefferson are from his own words. I know what and who his philosophical mentors are and what they represent - "freedom for the property owning class, those without property can be owned".
@528hertz British controlled southern states? When? After the Revolution the most British industry was banking. BANKING! He just did not see the long term problems with his actions. He built a monster and hoped it would stay on the leash. Again he should have seen the problems coming considering Europe's problems. Also that Jefferson quote has more to it than you lead on, yet you call me a man of propaganda?
@Jononutoob Banking is universal. The British system was Free Trade, otherwise known as colonisalism - stop the colonies developing by dumping our goods on them and preventing regulation of their nation through TARIFFS and EXCISE. It is how Britian took over the world, especially China in the Opium Wars. Hamilton could not be more opposite of that if he tried. His system was national banking with the aim of funding, through debt and bonds, new industries, such as the full industrial process...
@Jononutoob ...from iron mining to finished manchine tooled products. This is all writing in his reports. You have an irrational view of banking. There are diferent types of banking, they aren't all Shylock type systems. Did he create a monster, given his banking system has only been used a few times, then no. The British system of banking, i.e looting through DEREGULATION and speculation is the reason America is on its knees. You need to read Hamilton before judging him, otherwise, yes...
@Jononutoob If you want an idea of what Hamilton represented, in comparison to "letting the markets decide", have a look at the videos for the Tennesse Valley Authority 1936, and their reconstruction of that area. This is government acting in the interests of the nation, as specified in the Preamble to the Constitution.
@528hertz Type into youtube Hamilton vs Jefferson:Freedom vs big government. Watch this conversation from the HBO Series John Adams. Imagine yourself as Hamilton and myself as Jefferson. Then you will see why you and I will not agree on Hamilton's actions no matter what his intentions. I have my views on what government should be and Hamilton did things which conflict with that. You are correct banks do not all operate the same HOWEVER money does.
@Jononutoob I read their books, I don't need to watch HBO shows. If you imagine yourself to be Jefferson, and aren't a wealthy land owning aristocrat, who philosophical mentors are John Locke, Adam Smith and David Hume, then you are a naive fool. You're buying into a philosophy which teaches that the economic system is a simple binary system of pleasure vs pain, as opposed to Hamilton's view, that of the renaissance, that human creativity should be the driver of economics.
@Jononutoob If you rely on HBO, then you're probably too ignorant to see what representative federal government and federal credit did to industrialise the United States, in opposition to the luddite aristocract in the South. If you watch the TVA videos, you'll see what that the living standards of poor white people in the South, because of Free Trade, were, even 150 years ago, as bad as anything in Africa. You have no idea, hence you reference layman HBO videos. Read a book then argue.
@528hertz You missed my point 100%. I wasnt relying on the video, I was referring to it. I asked you to simply watch it and put yourself in Hamilton's position. If you did that you would see how some people like me (no matter what you call me) dont like the idea of larger government because we believe this nation was built for specific reasons. Some of us would rather live poor but truly free. Some of us would rather be a racist agriculturist then be a heartless Northern Banker.
@528hertz I wasnt referencing the video to use any of the information from it as truth, that would be pointless. Hollywood is rarely factually correct. But in that video the conversation represents the basic difference in ideals between federalists of that day and revolutionists. Your insults seem to show that we just are not on the same page. You name all the positives of Hamilton's actions yet never the negatives.I only offer the other point of view. I only look at pictures in books. : )
@Jononutoob You're not even on the same page as reality! Hamilton and Franklin were THE revolutionaries. There would be no revolution were it not for the circles they were associated. Why are you trying to hijack history to proclaim it was some luddite landed-aristocratic slave-owning Lockean Jeffersonian ideal?
The only negatives with Hamilton were the subversion of the First National Bank and the abolition of the 2nd NB by a hoax created by British agents.
@528hertz There is never only one reason for revolution. There are many factors and variables. I never hijacked anything. Many colonists fought Britain and wanted more radical change than what was given. I also never said Hamilton and Franklin weren't important to America. But to say they "were" the revolution is a bit much. I'm an idealist and building on debt seems stupid to me. I dont know why but it just does.
@Jononutoob Debt won the War of Independence. Debt financed the development of America. Nearly every business has a managable debt. The issue is do you want the debt/ money and banking regulated by a representative government, or, like Britian, by an imperial faction of monetarists who believe its their divine right to control the economy by controling the money supply. Article 1 Section 8 is as un-British as you could imagine.
@528hertz What ever happened to saving money then spending it? I know life is harder that way but I could have sworn people survived and were not in debt to private banks.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
@Jononutoob Hamitlon, and Lincoln's Greenback idea, were not the same as Rothschilds!
As for savings. Its not that life is harder, it is simply - why hold back? If your competition gets a loan to make a better machine, for example, you are more likely to go bust through loss of competitiveness before you save up the amount the competitors loan was. The idea is to have the banks contorlled by the government, not private interests, so usury can be put back into society not the pockets of Shylocks
@528hertz There is a middle ground between holding back and running blindly into the dark. Know where you are going before you make the first step. Hamilton was brilliant minded. He served in the military. I just dont like his long term vision error. I dont blame him for everything like you imagine. I blame the generations before us and now more than anything. Banking capital-New York.-EMPIRE State. Do you see where the British comes in now? This nation is built from Rome and Britain. EMPIRES
@Jononutoob The issue is FREE TRADE not banking. Hamiltons banking is not the same as the BoE. Lincoln's Greenback wasn't the same as the BoE. Not in intention or function. If you want to see the British empire in America, look no further than Jefferson. He is openly in praise of the British imperial "Enlightenment" philosophy and philosophers. Hamilton and Franklin were from a Platonic tradition. If you can't tell the difference, then stop debating with gross over-generalisations about banking.
@528hertz Hamilton's supported policies that were far more imperialistic and authoritarian than Jefferson. Jefferson has an extremist revolutionary position. British imperialism didnt come from enlightenment. It came from economic and military aggressiveness. To say Jefferson supported Britain like ideals because he believed in enlightenment is crazy. Enlightenment is a good thing but just like in America some people use it for authoritarian reasons.
@528hertz I see empire in the Federal Reserve and neo-conservatives who consider war and economic collapses to be random, facts of life, and coincidence. I am sure Hamilton would help me in ripping their hearts out but Jefferson would have burned the bodies and poured salt on them.
@Jononutoob You see the Free Trade and deregulation of the banking system. That is the British system. Jefferson supported FT. Banking regulation, such as Glass-Steagil, which could, with a willing president and SEC, reverse the bail-outs and put us on course for recovery. If you want a good idea of a modern Hamiltonian, take a look at Tea Party and Republican Alan Keyes. You'll see the difference between Hamiltons ideas and The Fed Res (which his name is falsely atributed to).
@528hertz In my opinion Hamilton should have seen the danger of centralizing the wealth of the nation. You can insult me and call me a man of propaganda but I have my views and history is my judge.
@Jononutoob Hamitlon wanted a National Bank, regulated by Congress, not a Bank of England system (which is paid by government by profited by wealthy shareholders), as a means of long term capital investment into infrastructure - something the British absolutely opposed in their colonies. The British wanted the US to be a dumping ground, like India, for cheap British made goods, to prevent industrial machine tooling in the NA colonies. Its all there in his own words if you read his reports.
Of course he wanted to drastically weaken the states independence. It was tearing the country apart. State bickering almost lost the war, destroyed national and individual credit, made the whole nation look like an easier target for the british to someday pick off, and very nearly sparked civil war over trade.
Why do you assume such a drastic level of state sovereignty is a good thing? It was a terrible and petty thing that nearly killed everyone.
Jeffersons idealistic way of looking at things seems naive but I promise you history will show that those people who were called naive will be the ones who were right. Jefferson represented a nation of moral ideals(even if he wasnt a saint), Hamilton cared of economic expansion and empire. Empires fall and the near future will show this to be natural law. Morals are above law, or at least they were once. But now America is about economics and military. Both of which we do not conduct correctly.
I don't know, this guy is like the first American neo-con, if he were here today, he would support our global empire that continues to doom our economy until we're spread so thin that we have no choice but to pull back from all over.
Jefferson = personal freedom and no policing the world w/ healthy centralization
Alexander Hamilton = big government w/ ridiculous Patriot Acts and too much control and an overseas empire that, as history has shown us, will financially fall.
Which is why a Central bank is not a slap in the face of the idea of declaring Independence.
Also, the FDIC and the fed perform the roles that Hamilton wanted the central bank for. He didn't want it to control who failed and who succeeded, he wanted it for stability, so people didn't see their cash evaporate like they did with Jackson's "Wild Cat Banks" or the Great Depression before the FDIC.
And that has been the end of my argument. I hope it addressed everything?
@AppleaLJ If your nation has a central bank then you dont have independence. Debt and credit is a primitive idea. So is most economic theory. Perhaps Hamilton didnt know what would happen but he sure could have assumed that creating a central bank would have in the end destroyed state independence. Unless you havent noticed states have lost power over Federal govt and the value of a $ has dropped. yep Hamilton was sure a great visionary, depending on what you call great.
c- virtually declared them second class citizens. At first, they rioted to get the King to grant them equal citizenship, instead of being treated as a separate country whose economy was under Britain's control. They saw themselves as legitimate English citizens and not foreigners.
When it became clear that Britain was not going to grant them equal citizenship, they separated to make sure they could protect and grant their rights instead of being treated as money makers for the King.
c- the United States. Todays debt is actually still payable. It is the interest that has everyone so worried. If Hamilton saw it today he'd have a conniption.
Also, you seem to have a disconnect about the idea of fighting for liberty.
They weren't fighting for a free society where anything and everything goes. They were fighting to become equal citizens with rights they felt were owed and natural to them.
They would have never declared independence if Parliament hadn't c-
Money is the only thing that goes across all political and social lines. It's not an evil, it's merely an incremental way of measuring survival.
Hamilton brilliantly utilized it to keep the whole teetering mess from falling back into British hands.
AND if you point to todays mess, remember /Hamilton never advised that./ He had a very specific amount of debt that he calculated was healthy, and he never went over it. It was always well within the range where it could never bother c-
The leaders of society- read, rich, would be best bound together with the ties of debt. That would insure they /needed/ the States to survive so their investments would be safe and give profitable returns. Then they would work together and not create separate treaties, high internal taxes, and other nonsense.
Debt was literally the only thing that could bind all of them. Ideas, philosophy, goals those only go so far until someone has a disagreement. And then it all goes to hell.
At the point Hamilton came up with the idea of the debt, the Articles had failed, the states were squabbling between themselves, and Britain was sharpening their knives for another go.
Clearly he had to give the states an incentive to work together, and the current incentives weren't enough.
He had to get the leaders of society (which at that time were the voters, only landed white gentlemen could vote) to have a reason NOT to gouge their fellow states and to stand by them.
You've got Washington and Hamilton, who both realize that for the United States to survive, it has to be one country.
At this time, most people think of themselves as loyal to their STATE first. They're Virginians, Rhode Islanders, not Americans.
This leads to an impossible situation. In the legislatures, the representatives become like herding cats, each going their own way to help their state INCLUDING making own treaties with other countries that hurt fellow c-
@samm1809 Did I say anything about that?? What I said is that all we learn about in school is Jefferson. I can flash around a 10 dollar bill and so few people know who Hamilton is or anything he's done. It's sad. Hamilton has achieved so many great things for our country and contributed to it's development yet only gets credit from those who study him. We live in a hamiltonian world yet it's Jefferson who people praise.
@Ksay10 the supposed hamiltonian world that you speak of (which is actually mostly inspired by john maynard keynes) is leading to the demise and destruction of the economy through hamilton's desires, just as jefferson predicted. why do you think that woodrow wilson apologised for creating the fed? hamilton ran around insulting, badmouthing and bullying people, exactly what lead to his demise. he was exactly the sort of person the american people revolted against. federalism doesn't work!
I don't mean to be rude, but if you do not like this man, then why do you watch a tribute to him? I certainly can see your point, and I respect your ability and authority to say it, but there must be a better place to do so!
Funny how the Right hates Hamilton. Our freedom and ideals may be attributed to Jefferson, Adams. Washington, et al. But the greatness of America - American Exceptionalism if you will - can be traced directly to Alexander Hamilton. No greater tribute to Hamilton can be than the fact that his nemesis, Jefferson, ruled completely in the Hamilton mode when he assumed the presidency.
Hamilton represents big government and power in the hands of few. Please tell me where in the Delclaration of Independence or the Constitution where it says The United States "should" be controlled by banks and big government. American exceptionalism is not the greatness of America. No wonder people like Hamilton, they dont understand shit about this nation. Truly unbelievable.
Aaron Burr's intention was to carve the United States up into 2 seperate Countries, beginning as early as 1804 and he did this through the Vice Presidency.
Furthermore, he killed Alexander Hamilton in frustration for his inability to destroy Hamilton's National Bank through Burr's Treasonous Manhattan Company [Now JP Morgan Chase]
Hamilton's the greatest of our founders. His vision of America is what made this country great. That's why Jefferson and Madison barely changed any functions of his federal system, hypocritically. His system was just too good, although they were never man enough to admit it. Long live the memory of Alexander Hamilton.
Alexander Hamilton was among the greatest of the Founding Fathers: War hero, author of the Federalist Papers, Washington's "prime minister" during the first 8 years of the new government, architect of our financial and economic system, all-round genius. Unlike Jefferson, Hamilton was born in poverty and was a self-made man. He was totally opposed to slavery and unearned privilege. His contributions to every person who enjoys freedom and prosperity in America should never be forgotten.
@Paladin930 hamilton wanted washington to be king and jefferson wrote the declaration of independence which obliterated the divine right of kings. who was really for the people?
@SassanianPrince Hamilton never said that statement about the people...it has been disproved by every legitimate historian. As for your incorrect statement about the his feelings about the common people...please provide some evidence of that...I would love to see your evidence that the man who helped make America a meritocracy and not a Jeffersonian Oligarchy somehow disdained the common people
You mean Hamilton. When we get our country back from the big bankers and end the Fed reserve bank. The world again will appriciate the constitution and Jefferson.
@drudge20 once more a person who knows nothing about Hamilton's bank yet presumes it is the father of the federal reserve. Simply not true...and what kind of an economy did ole Jefferson wish for...strange how throughout the first 6 years of the New Constitution he and Madison persistently tried to use govt to force trade away from Britain. Yeah, now there is real capitalism for ya...Jefferson was a walking hypocrite...no wonder Wash. refused to speak to him after 1793
Thank God, finally someone who knows United States History!
Alexander Hamilton's 1st and 2nd Bank of the United States were perhaps the most successful banks in world history. The ability for the government to issue its own Credit interest free.
IIt was sadly taken down in 1836 by the 33rd degree Freemason, Andrew Jackson on behalf of Martin Van Buren, the Wall Street Banker, and Eight president of the United States, precipitating the Banking Panic of 1837.
@Ksay10 Amen. I'm tired of Jefferson being taught as the gold standard of the American Ideal, when Hamilton built himself up from absolutely nothing but his brains.
@bonfirejovi Yes I know Hamilton didn't write the Declaration of Independence. Jefferson did. Or, rather, he stole the ideas from Rousseau. Jefferson was a rich, hypocritical, back-biting slave owner who thought 90 percent of American would be farmers. Hamilton contributed more to this country than he did.
@Lissbirds All you provided regarding Jefferson was ad hominem. It may dismay you to know that that Hamilton was in favor of an elective monarchy and while Jefferson was wrong about the agrarian economy, he was certainly right about the central banks. If you think Greenspans policies have been anything more than totally inept then you have been living under a rock. Jefferson wrote the document that destroyed any notion of the divine right of kings being implemented in the US and contributed more
@Lissbirds Actually Jefferson implemented John Locke's ideas from the second treatise. I don't think Jefferson every claimed to have invented the idea of liberty so I don't why you say "stole".
@bonfirejovi No, but history remembers the Declaration's ideas as Jefferson's and people are oft to forget the truth. Ad hominem attacks, sure, but true.
Say what you want about the banks, but by centralizing the national debt, America was considered a legitimate nation by Europe that could borrow money. We wouldn't be here without Hamilton.
Agree 100%!!! He owned slaves....Hamilton NEVER did. Jefferson wanted to be like the French.....and their revolution where eveyone is equal....(sound familiar?)....Hamilton believed in meritocracy, individualism....and a healthy dose of David Hume skepticism.....IMO Pres. Washington's greatness was in trusting Hamilton's pragmatism and not Jefferson's idealism.
@Ksay10 LOOOOOOL meanwhile the government is run by unconstitutional executive orders and compromising sellout congressman, the issuance of money is monopolized by a central bank, the treasury is being drained by wars and government spending and the nation has exported it's productive capacity to china. god, when are we ever going to get rid of this jefferson style government?
@Ksay10 Do you not see the contradiction in fighting a war for independence only to be in debt to a central bank? Are you people that insane? When i see the comments in favor of Hamilton I can understand how this nation is in debt and why credit is the way it is today. Hamilton used fear to get what he wanted. Remember "Live free or die", You'd rather have "live in debt to a bank or die". The banks of Europe were loving the idea of loaning us money. I wonder why...
@Ksay10 Hamilton was no doubt the genius amongst a collection of geniuses but still you can't take away from Jefferson's genius. But yeah Alexander is my favorite founding father just slightly above Thomas Paine
I think the video description is far too generous. If any of the Founding Fathers fit that description, it is Jefferson. Hamilton was in favor of the first national bank and, in fact, initiated the process that led to its creation. This alone tarnishes Hamilton's legacy as a man for the people or the common man.
Hamilton was great in certain respects, but I wouldn't call him the greatest.
The First National Bank, by any measure, was one of the most successful banks in modern history.
It helped establish the United States as an international player and legitimate nation.
And eh, you're over here dissing him as a man of the people? He came from NOTHING. He built HIMSELF from the ground up. Jefferson was born with a silver-spoon.
Hamilton is one of the greatest American. He was also a person that everybody hated. When he spoke or write a article, everybody would listen or read it. He's kind of remind me of the TV character Dr. House. Brilliant mind, but a jerk.
Hamilton is in my trio of favorite Founding Fathers alongside Franklin and Jefferson. In Hamilton we find, by reading his writings (Fed papers, Reports on Banking/Credit/Manufactures) a keen mind for what would make a successful nation and turn an experiment in self-Government into a raging success. Hamilton's belief in Manufacturing or Production as 'true wealth' together with the skills of workers, is something our pols could learn today - Hamilton econ. n Jefferson Liberty n Franklin the rest
Imperialist Hamilton spoke more like a Tyrant then a revolutionary look at where his ideas have gotten us, the Treasury it was ok when it started but like Jefferson was afraid of it turned in to the FED and is now corrupt its a guild of nobles that are higher then the people and the government its the reason for economic down fall sense the great depression (in fact it sparked it) and the recession we are in now, not because of free market, just go print more money o yeah cause that really works
The Dept of Treasury is a dept. of the govt. The FED is a private banking corporation, representing the Vatican Banking Cartels as opposed to the best interests of the country.
makesshift....Hamilton's economic beliefs are the root of America's development of Capitalism, that prior to the 1970s meant Protectionism until 1932 and Reciprocity n Subsidy (MIC etc.) afterwards. America's two greatest leaders Lincoln and Roosevelt were Hamiltonians and thus Capitalists. Free trade and markets were never the American way, and were advocated mostly by the South prior to and after CW - a support for low wages n serfdom. Jefferson's party's answer was Protectionism by the way.
How could I claim citizenship through JUS SANGUINIS (which claims that you are an american citizen if 1 of your parents is an american citizen.) I am goiing to need legislation through congress to change a privacy law at the St.Louis military personnel records center for those who served in Panama. Also to have them submit DNA samples.
The age old dialogue continues...the hobnail boot stating that man cannot self govern, as it grinds any and all who do under its heel.
"I have gained this by philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law."
Interesting that so much today that is labelled 'philosophy'...is not. And so many of those considered heroes solely by dint of repetition and general ignorance of history...are and were not.
Hamilton rests firmly in the 'not' catagory. Not heroic, not intelligent...and philosophically not American.
A Hanoverian agent, serving those that House Hanover served (not England). As such, he and the current crowd called 'neo-con' are philosophical allies.
He was the man...neo con my ass! I just finished the bio on him 731 pages by ron chrnow...the guy was amazing, and all the fear about his programs subsided over the next two decades when the republicans realized they needed a bank, a navy, the treasury, etc....HE WAS AMAZING....damn him for wasting his shot in that duel...he should have blown that evil piece of shit BURR away.
Aaron Burr should have been sentenced to death for Treason on three principal grounds:
First for killing Alexander Hamilton;
Second for founding the Treasonous Manhattan Company, the precursor to the filthy Chase Manhattan and now JP Morgan Chase,
Thirdly for writing to the British Foreign Sec. Anthony Merry, of a letter to King George III of a plan to detach the Louisianna Territory and create a secession of the Northern States.
Not only was Alexander Hamilton a brilliant man, but he held on to his moral convictions even to the point of death. He knew he was going to die, but he did it anyway. That's greatness.
I have just started to read ron chernow's biographical work on Hamilton as well. From what I have already read I must admit it is quite an exhaustive historical account of this unfortunate and often forgotten important political figure in our nation's history
There is a strong difference between those who support anarchy and those who support the preservation of states rights. There are numerous things i can think better off left to s central government.... security, roads, foreign economic interest. However when it comes to protecting the natural law of man you want the law to be flexible and easily manageable by those it serves to protect. You do this by leaving it to the local governments.
Alexander Hamilton saw a UFO and aliens you know. Here is a quotation by him: "To my utter astonishment I saw an airship descending over my cow lot. It was occupied by six of the strangest beings I ever saw. They were jabbering together, but we could not understand a word they said." (1897)
Monarchical President, Central Bank, Fiat Money, Protectionism, Corporate Welfare, British Mercantilism at its fullest. Nothing like that watered down BS Lincoln was pushing. Hamilton, loyal not to the British crown but to the British system.
Interesting, the Constitution we have today was drafted by the federalists... Whom the stand out was Hamilton. Real monarchical huh.
Although his Idea for a national bank wasn't probably wasn't his best. He was right on most of the time working to creating a form of government never before practiced by the world.
It was the federalists who advocated a central power over the states. It is monarchical as Hamilton saw it; an appointed president and senate with life terms. The anti-feds like Jefferson wanted, say, the 10th amendment to stay away from central power. His economics was as mercantile as Britain's; central bank/fiat currency for State spending, protectionism and corporate welfare to keep the economy "strong". People, like Jefferson, fought those old policies for progressive, free market liberty.
For Austrian economists to call Washington, Hamilton and, later, Lincoln unpatriotic to the American Revolution is shameless, revisionist propaganda.
Strong government was necessary to cure the ills of an anemic Articles of Confederation and engender confidence for a vibrant economy with would-be creditors.
Jefferson was three thousand miles away in France during the Constitutional Convention.
I find this smear campaign by the Mises Institute absolutely disgraceful.
Strong government is never necessary except to benefit the State and those who run it. And nobody called him in unpatriotic just misinformed. There have been plenty of strong economies without strong governments and the only ills present in the Articles of Confederation is that they did not go far enough.
I completely disagree with your view. There does need to be a balance between despotism and anarchy...or chaos. As Hamilton said, "if men were angels , there would be no need for government." But, without mechanisms to defend the citizenry and ensure justice and tranquility, the quality of life for most people would be eroded considerably.
Anarchy is not chaos. Anarchy has law and has mechanisms, police forces and courts, to maintain that law. It must be easy to disagree with a view you do not know.
What is not enough in modern society? Do you even know what you are arguing against? Maturity? I posted the video with historical facts. You are the one using age to nullify arguments you do not understand. You are the one who claimed ridiculousness without support. You are the one offering nothing but feelings. I may be young but I am not the one who lacks maturity.
I agree with Wizjkahna. Anarchy is not possible due to human nature. And there are no schools or police forces in anarchy, those are federal constitutions. I would advise Market Economy to stop talking as he is only showing off his ignorance.
by so far, it's not even close. Jefferson was not half the man Hamilton was. And since Hamilton only lived about half of Jefferson's life, it says a lot about the man that Hamilton was
hear! hear! Thank God is right... "Psychogenius", you disgrace yourself and your country by attempting to pile more dirt on the already unfairly tarnished reputation of a great hero, leader, visionary and patriot. Shame on you. Hamilton was the greatest.
Hamilton was an expansionist of his time, he wnated to turn America into an Empire when its central government was still weak, but regardless I thank him for everything he did in the Revolutionary War. Hero.
The 1st Bank of the US was a private bank controlled by British financial interests that were intent on manipulating our currency to their enrichment and to the detriment of the American people.
Since you are a psychogenius, I'd like to hear your theory on how America could have established sound credit with the European powers in a better fashion than those developed by Hamilton. His policies were precocious in the sense that nearly the entire western world embodies the same economic theories championed by A.H. 200 years ago. If you are only the age your name suggests, take an upper level history class and read a few credible books before making such baseless conspiracy statements.
The hell with europe! Hamilton's "sound credit with the European powers" amounted to the 1st Bank of the US, which was privately owned and controlled by the English-Jewish Rothschild Banking Dynasty along with their other bankster minion scum. Like Napoleon said, the winners write the history books; so finding "credible books" is obviously more difficult than you realize.You're certainly not going to find much truth in an upper level history class in our Rockefeller controlled education system.
Why would Hamilton have been interested in enriching anyone when he himself never acquired wealth in his own lifetime. As a matter of fact, time after time, he chose to serve the new government when a private sector job would have been much more lucrative. The charges that Hamilton was beholden to the Brits or to the aristocracy of America could never be proven when one examines his life. He even refused his military pension for fighting against the British much to the detriment of his family
Dude, so am I!! On my Mother's side, her middle name is Hamilton, after him. They are from Kentucky, where are you? Maybe we are related in some way, other than on the Hamilton side, lol!!
Excellent Tribute. Throughout the annals of humankind there has been known who stand on the same plateau of greatness as A.H. Take his great speech at the Const. Conv., his speeches at the N.Y. Ratif. Conv., and The Fed. Papers pertaining to the U.S.Senate and then contrast them with the 17th Amendment. Hamilton's greatest fear, and America's doom is realized in that
I'm waiting for Hamilton to jump on the back of the warthog and unload on some Democratic-Republicans
arznodoubt 6 days ago
Aaron Burr shot Hamilton and he died painfully. Awesome! The piece of shit deserved it
He created the first national bank.... the FED's ancestor so to speak.
I'm glad you died Hamilton. Rest in piss.
MercifulBeing 1 week ago
Hamilton is a monument to American enterprise and political virtue. Long live Alexander Hamilton.
Redrio 2 weeks ago
@Redrio Fuck you
MercifulBeing 1 week ago
Was any homosexuals alive in these days?
amitus8 1 month ago
@amitus8 Hamilton might've been gay or at least bi-sexual.
Redrio 2 weeks ago
@Redrio It seems a very gay or bi-sexual situation to me. Perhaps I'm "reading" too much into this.
amitus8 2 weeks ago
I love Hamilton but i wouldn't be a federalist
asiaqueen4ever 2 months ago
I love how you're using such modern, epic music in a tribute to a historical figure from the dawn of America :D
endorianki 2 months ago
Rediscovering Alexander Hamilton: Interesting show. It would be nice not to hear the law of the jungle goon-line about how a hard-working youngster who blows old men can make it big in America. The truth is that luck has played, plays, and forever will play a huge role in American "success." To point to the lucky fool who got hit by a bolt of lighting and say, "Thar is how it's supposed to work in Ameeerika" is just romantic, and idiotic, idealism.
parafleet 9 months ago
@parafleet If anything he was moving towards a corporatist society, he overcame and yet you have to incite sexual implications for such success proving you have an extremely Freudian outlook that you're combining with disdain for a particular individual. Such thinking is far from righteous; I may disdain Trotsky and Marx, but would never go so far as to say Trotsky was a necrophiliac (he killed his share of folks) or that Marx and Engels had a homosexual love affair. Use legitimate points.
A2Stallion 8 months ago
@A2Stallion I agree. I agree.
parafleet 8 months ago
Hamilton began the path that led to the corruption the US finds itself in today. when the federal reserve and the banker criminals.
topazrain 9 months ago
@topazrain Hamilton's 1st Bank of the U.S. is far removed from the current Federal Reserve. It offered COMMERCIAL LOANS which the Fed and most modern central banks do NOT! He created a central source of capital to be lent to new businesses, growing the nation's economy and also paying off war debts. In the 95 yrs since the First Bank closed, other central banks such as England's adopted regulatory roles & set monetary policy, for which central banks are now known, so blame England, not Hamilton!
MachTwo1 9 months ago
fuck hamilscum and the bankers .
Hannanstl 10 months ago
@Jononutoob:
Man, I leave you alone for a bit and you flood the place. You respond to everything here?
If you're going to keep it up, you may want to remember to keep name-calling in check. It undermines your point. Reason I stopped debating you- no reason to once it devolves into name calling.
If you still hold true to your original points, I'd be happy to take up verbal sparring with you again. I'm getting bored, and it's fun to meet other viewpoints.
That in mind, have fun with 528hertz!
AppleaLJ 10 months ago
God Bless Aaron Burr.
JesusDillinger 1 year ago
Ohh so that's who he is, yeah that would explain it. Famous guy, and now I know who he is. I wonder how many Americans know who this guy is! lol
Wolfsbane909 1 year ago
@Jononutoob :
(c-) so "primitive" about the theory of debit and credit? Without debit & credit, nations cannot go to war (defensively or offensively), send men to the moon, help their people in times of famine, fund massive organizations like police and firemen for protection, have land conservations- why do you declare d&c to be bad? Surely it is old- as old as civilization itself. But so is farming. Would you get rid of farming too?
And what would you replace it with?
AppleaLJ 1 year ago
@AppleaLJ With debit and credit our grandchildren wont be able to pay off our debts. State independence isnt a good thing? Are you high? No wonder you support Hamilton, you are a federalist. A state is a nation. States came before the nation. There is a reason for that. If states disagree then so be it. Credit allows govt and people to pay for things they cant afford. This creates a vast amount of money that doesnt physically exist. Why do you think disagreement is a bad thing in America?
Jononutoob 1 year ago
@Jononutoob Hamilton's idea of credit, were you to have read his work you would know this, was not to create money that does not exist, but was, as his report on manufacturers clearly shows, to industrially develop the nation. The debt, as any busniess owner knows, is a managable debt, paid off by increase in productivity. The problem is people aren't taught what Hamilton did, and instead compare his ideas to Bush and the Federal Reserve, et al, which are entirely different to Hamiltons ideas.
528hertz 11 months ago
@528hertz Lets stop assuming what I have read or not read. "The debt, as any busniess owner knows, is a managable debt". Are you talking about past debt or the debt of today? Hamilton represented the British model too much. But i'm sure neo-conservatives and federalists love him. I cant pretend to know his motives or thoughts some 250 years later, but I can say his ideas led to what we have now. Hamilton was the big government of his day. Look around and explain to me why big government works.
Jononutoob 11 months ago
@Jononutoob You say don't assume, but I assumed on the basis you haven't shown that you've read Hamilton, then you clarify it in this reply. He was killed by a cousin of the British PMs wife, for being a threat to the Empire. You have a poor understanding of what colonialism is in comparison to Hamiltons explicit dirigist/ mercantilist ideas if you think he represented the British. On a similar note, read the short essay Robbie Burns And The Ideas Of The American Revolution, for further insight.
528hertz 11 months ago
@528hertz Britain raised taxes on the colonies because Britain had to pay interest to pay off the loans they took to pay for the numerous wars they fought prior to our revolution. So what does Hamilton want to do? He wants to create a central bank and borrow to pay for war and expansion!! Either Hamilton was an European goon or he was a moron who couldn't see what HAD JUST happened to Europe.Now we get to pay income taxes to pay off interest! If Hamilton didnt want that then he lied to himself
Jononutoob 11 months ago
@Jononutoob Please, before you write drivel which shows yourself as a layman, at least have the intellectual curiosity to read Hamiltons work, especially his reports on Public Credit, and also Report on Manufactures. Once you've read them, you'll clearly see, explicitly as there is, that Hamilton was not a supporter of ANYTHING British, economic or socially.
528hertz 11 months ago
@528hertz Hamilton hated British so much that he set up a bank that just so happened to be funded by The Bank of England. Private central banks are dangerous and our founders said that many times.
Jononutoob 11 months ago
@Jononutoob Our Founders? Hamilton and Franklin are THE Founders of this nation!! The other faction of Founding Fathers, Jefferson et al, were slave owning agriculturalists who profited from slave labour, so clearly didn't want Hamiltons technological mercantilism.
Go and read Hamiltons reports, and then see what an intellectual genius he was. But you won't do that, as its easier to parrot Wall St propaganda and Wiki, and to decree truths as you imagine them to be.
528hertz 11 months ago
@528hertz The Central Bank invested all the power into the North. Actually Hamilton can be remembered for creating the unbalanced economic system that caused the civil war. But lets just go back to something else. You said Hamilton and Franklin were the founders. I remember more than 2 names that began this country. And your idea on Jefferson's motives of slavery are bullshit. Jefferson saw the power FLYING to the Northern states because of the economics of the north.
Jononutoob 11 months ago
@Jononutoob The cnetral bank was for, as Hamiltons reports show, industrial and technological developments, not speculation, not slavery, not luddite agriculturalists like the British controlled Southern states. Why wouldn't he want his ideas to dominate against that? My ideas of Jefferson are from his own words. I know what and who his philosophical mentors are and what they represent - "freedom for the property owning class, those without property can be owned".
528hertz 11 months ago
@528hertz British controlled southern states? When? After the Revolution the most British industry was banking. BANKING! He just did not see the long term problems with his actions. He built a monster and hoped it would stay on the leash. Again he should have seen the problems coming considering Europe's problems. Also that Jefferson quote has more to it than you lead on, yet you call me a man of propaganda?
Jononutoob 11 months ago
@Jononutoob Banking is universal. The British system was Free Trade, otherwise known as colonisalism - stop the colonies developing by dumping our goods on them and preventing regulation of their nation through TARIFFS and EXCISE. It is how Britian took over the world, especially China in the Opium Wars. Hamilton could not be more opposite of that if he tried. His system was national banking with the aim of funding, through debt and bonds, new industries, such as the full industrial process...
528hertz 11 months ago
@Jononutoob ...from iron mining to finished manchine tooled products. This is all writing in his reports. You have an irrational view of banking. There are diferent types of banking, they aren't all Shylock type systems. Did he create a monster, given his banking system has only been used a few times, then no. The British system of banking, i.e looting through DEREGULATION and speculation is the reason America is on its knees. You need to read Hamilton before judging him, otherwise, yes...
528hertz 11 months ago
@Jononutoob ...you are a man of propaganda. How could you not be given that?
528hertz 11 months ago
@Jononutoob If you want an idea of what Hamilton represented, in comparison to "letting the markets decide", have a look at the videos for the Tennesse Valley Authority 1936, and their reconstruction of that area. This is government acting in the interests of the nation, as specified in the Preamble to the Constitution.
528hertz 11 months ago
@528hertz Type into youtube Hamilton vs Jefferson:Freedom vs big government. Watch this conversation from the HBO Series John Adams. Imagine yourself as Hamilton and myself as Jefferson. Then you will see why you and I will not agree on Hamilton's actions no matter what his intentions. I have my views on what government should be and Hamilton did things which conflict with that. You are correct banks do not all operate the same HOWEVER money does.
Jononutoob 11 months ago
@Jononutoob I read their books, I don't need to watch HBO shows. If you imagine yourself to be Jefferson, and aren't a wealthy land owning aristocrat, who philosophical mentors are John Locke, Adam Smith and David Hume, then you are a naive fool. You're buying into a philosophy which teaches that the economic system is a simple binary system of pleasure vs pain, as opposed to Hamilton's view, that of the renaissance, that human creativity should be the driver of economics.
528hertz 11 months ago
@Jononutoob If you rely on HBO, then you're probably too ignorant to see what representative federal government and federal credit did to industrialise the United States, in opposition to the luddite aristocract in the South. If you watch the TVA videos, you'll see what that the living standards of poor white people in the South, because of Free Trade, were, even 150 years ago, as bad as anything in Africa. You have no idea, hence you reference layman HBO videos. Read a book then argue.
528hertz 11 months ago
@528hertz You missed my point 100%. I wasnt relying on the video, I was referring to it. I asked you to simply watch it and put yourself in Hamilton's position. If you did that you would see how some people like me (no matter what you call me) dont like the idea of larger government because we believe this nation was built for specific reasons. Some of us would rather live poor but truly free. Some of us would rather be a racist agriculturist then be a heartless Northern Banker.
Jononutoob 11 months ago
@528hertz I wasnt referencing the video to use any of the information from it as truth, that would be pointless. Hollywood is rarely factually correct. But in that video the conversation represents the basic difference in ideals between federalists of that day and revolutionists. Your insults seem to show that we just are not on the same page. You name all the positives of Hamilton's actions yet never the negatives.I only offer the other point of view. I only look at pictures in books. : )
Jononutoob 11 months ago
@Jononutoob You're not even on the same page as reality! Hamilton and Franklin were THE revolutionaries. There would be no revolution were it not for the circles they were associated. Why are you trying to hijack history to proclaim it was some luddite landed-aristocratic slave-owning Lockean Jeffersonian ideal?
The only negatives with Hamilton were the subversion of the First National Bank and the abolition of the 2nd NB by a hoax created by British agents.
528hertz 11 months ago
@528hertz There is never only one reason for revolution. There are many factors and variables. I never hijacked anything. Many colonists fought Britain and wanted more radical change than what was given. I also never said Hamilton and Franklin weren't important to America. But to say they "were" the revolution is a bit much. I'm an idealist and building on debt seems stupid to me. I dont know why but it just does.
Jononutoob 11 months ago
@Jononutoob Debt won the War of Independence. Debt financed the development of America. Nearly every business has a managable debt. The issue is do you want the debt/ money and banking regulated by a representative government, or, like Britian, by an imperial faction of monetarists who believe its their divine right to control the economy by controling the money supply. Article 1 Section 8 is as un-British as you could imagine.
528hertz 11 months ago
@528hertz What ever happened to saving money then spending it? I know life is harder that way but I could have sworn people survived and were not in debt to private banks.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
Mayer Amschel Rothschild, 1790
Jononutoob 11 months ago
@Jononutoob Hamitlon, and Lincoln's Greenback idea, were not the same as Rothschilds!
As for savings. Its not that life is harder, it is simply - why hold back? If your competition gets a loan to make a better machine, for example, you are more likely to go bust through loss of competitiveness before you save up the amount the competitors loan was. The idea is to have the banks contorlled by the government, not private interests, so usury can be put back into society not the pockets of Shylocks
528hertz 11 months ago
@528hertz There is a middle ground between holding back and running blindly into the dark. Know where you are going before you make the first step. Hamilton was brilliant minded. He served in the military. I just dont like his long term vision error. I dont blame him for everything like you imagine. I blame the generations before us and now more than anything. Banking capital-New York.-EMPIRE State. Do you see where the British comes in now? This nation is built from Rome and Britain. EMPIRES
Jononutoob 11 months ago
@Jononutoob The issue is FREE TRADE not banking. Hamiltons banking is not the same as the BoE. Lincoln's Greenback wasn't the same as the BoE. Not in intention or function. If you want to see the British empire in America, look no further than Jefferson. He is openly in praise of the British imperial "Enlightenment" philosophy and philosophers. Hamilton and Franklin were from a Platonic tradition. If you can't tell the difference, then stop debating with gross over-generalisations about banking.
528hertz 11 months ago
@528hertz Hamilton's supported policies that were far more imperialistic and authoritarian than Jefferson. Jefferson has an extremist revolutionary position. British imperialism didnt come from enlightenment. It came from economic and military aggressiveness. To say Jefferson supported Britain like ideals because he believed in enlightenment is crazy. Enlightenment is a good thing but just like in America some people use it for authoritarian reasons.
Jononutoob 11 months ago
@528hertz I see empire in the Federal Reserve and neo-conservatives who consider war and economic collapses to be random, facts of life, and coincidence. I am sure Hamilton would help me in ripping their hearts out but Jefferson would have burned the bodies and poured salt on them.
Jononutoob 11 months ago
@Jononutoob You see the Free Trade and deregulation of the banking system. That is the British system. Jefferson supported FT. Banking regulation, such as Glass-Steagil, which could, with a willing president and SEC, reverse the bail-outs and put us on course for recovery. If you want a good idea of a modern Hamiltonian, take a look at Tea Party and Republican Alan Keyes. You'll see the difference between Hamiltons ideas and The Fed Res (which his name is falsely atributed to).
528hertz 11 months ago
@Jononutoob Type Hamilton into the search bar on Alan Keyes blog (not website).
528hertz 11 months ago
@528hertz who gave us the bill of rights? yeah, now fuck off along with the bankers.
Hannanstl 10 months ago
@Hannanstl You stupid cunt, why even bother writing such drivel? Clearly you know fuck all, and not enough to answer your own stupid question
528hertz 10 months ago
@Hannanstl called rhetorical, but I expected it to go right over your head. you lilliputian.
Hannanstl 10 months ago
@Hannanstl you know whats funny is I wasn't even talking to you, you fucking idiot. go fuck yourself.
Hannanstl 10 months ago
@528hertz In my opinion Hamilton should have seen the danger of centralizing the wealth of the nation. You can insult me and call me a man of propaganda but I have my views and history is my judge.
Jononutoob 11 months ago
@Jononutoob Hamitlon wanted a National Bank, regulated by Congress, not a Bank of England system (which is paid by government by profited by wealthy shareholders), as a means of long term capital investment into infrastructure - something the British absolutely opposed in their colonies. The British wanted the US to be a dumping ground, like India, for cheap British made goods, to prevent industrial machine tooling in the NA colonies. Its all there in his own words if you read his reports.
528hertz 11 months ago
@Jononutoob :
Of course he wanted to drastically weaken the states independence. It was tearing the country apart. State bickering almost lost the war, destroyed national and individual credit, made the whole nation look like an easier target for the british to someday pick off, and very nearly sparked civil war over trade.
Why do you assume such a drastic level of state sovereignty is a good thing? It was a terrible and petty thing that nearly killed everyone.
And what, pray tell, is (c-)
AppleaLJ 1 year ago
Jeffersons idealistic way of looking at things seems naive but I promise you history will show that those people who were called naive will be the ones who were right. Jefferson represented a nation of moral ideals(even if he wasnt a saint), Hamilton cared of economic expansion and empire. Empires fall and the near future will show this to be natural law. Morals are above law, or at least they were once. But now America is about economics and military. Both of which we do not conduct correctly.
Jononutoob 1 year ago
I don't know, this guy is like the first American neo-con, if he were here today, he would support our global empire that continues to doom our economy until we're spread so thin that we have no choice but to pull back from all over.
Jefferson = personal freedom and no policing the world w/ healthy centralization
Alexander Hamilton = big government w/ ridiculous Patriot Acts and too much control and an overseas empire that, as history has shown us, will financially fall.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
And now that I've satisfied my itch to correct fallacies about history, I would now like to comment that this video was amazing. XD
I would have never thought to put the Halo soundtrack with Hamilton, but it's fun as heck to watch. :D
AppleaLJ 1 year ago
@Jononutoob:
Which is why a Central bank is not a slap in the face of the idea of declaring Independence.
Also, the FDIC and the fed perform the roles that Hamilton wanted the central bank for. He didn't want it to control who failed and who succeeded, he wanted it for stability, so people didn't see their cash evaporate like they did with Jackson's "Wild Cat Banks" or the Great Depression before the FDIC.
And that has been the end of my argument. I hope it addressed everything?
AppleaLJ 1 year ago
@AppleaLJ If your nation has a central bank then you dont have independence. Debt and credit is a primitive idea. So is most economic theory. Perhaps Hamilton didnt know what would happen but he sure could have assumed that creating a central bank would have in the end destroyed state independence. Unless you havent noticed states have lost power over Federal govt and the value of a $ has dropped. yep Hamilton was sure a great visionary, depending on what you call great.
Jononutoob 1 year ago
@Jononutoob
c- virtually declared them second class citizens. At first, they rioted to get the King to grant them equal citizenship, instead of being treated as a separate country whose economy was under Britain's control. They saw themselves as legitimate English citizens and not foreigners.
When it became clear that Britain was not going to grant them equal citizenship, they separated to make sure they could protect and grant their rights instead of being treated as money makers for the King.
AppleaLJ 1 year ago
@Jononutoob
c- the United States. Todays debt is actually still payable. It is the interest that has everyone so worried. If Hamilton saw it today he'd have a conniption.
Also, you seem to have a disconnect about the idea of fighting for liberty.
They weren't fighting for a free society where anything and everything goes. They were fighting to become equal citizens with rights they felt were owed and natural to them.
They would have never declared independence if Parliament hadn't c-
AppleaLJ 1 year ago
@Jononutoob
Money is the only thing that goes across all political and social lines. It's not an evil, it's merely an incremental way of measuring survival.
Hamilton brilliantly utilized it to keep the whole teetering mess from falling back into British hands.
AND if you point to todays mess, remember /Hamilton never advised that./ He had a very specific amount of debt that he calculated was healthy, and he never went over it. It was always well within the range where it could never bother c-
AppleaLJ 1 year ago
@Jononutoob
The leaders of society- read, rich, would be best bound together with the ties of debt. That would insure they /needed/ the States to survive so their investments would be safe and give profitable returns. Then they would work together and not create separate treaties, high internal taxes, and other nonsense.
Debt was literally the only thing that could bind all of them. Ideas, philosophy, goals those only go so far until someone has a disagreement. And then it all goes to hell.
AppleaLJ 1 year ago
@Jononutoob states.
At the point Hamilton came up with the idea of the debt, the Articles had failed, the states were squabbling between themselves, and Britain was sharpening their knives for another go.
Clearly he had to give the states an incentive to work together, and the current incentives weren't enough.
He had to get the leaders of society (which at that time were the voters, only landed white gentlemen could vote) to have a reason NOT to gouge their fellow states and to stand by them.
AppleaLJ 1 year ago
@Jononutoob
Oi.
Think back.
You've got Washington and Hamilton, who both realize that for the United States to survive, it has to be one country.
At this time, most people think of themselves as loyal to their STATE first. They're Virginians, Rhode Islanders, not Americans.
This leads to an impossible situation. In the legislatures, the representatives become like herding cats, each going their own way to help their state INCLUDING making own treaties with other countries that hurt fellow c-
AppleaLJ 1 year ago
@samm1809 Did I say anything about that?? What I said is that all we learn about in school is Jefferson. I can flash around a 10 dollar bill and so few people know who Hamilton is or anything he's done. It's sad. Hamilton has achieved so many great things for our country and contributed to it's development yet only gets credit from those who study him. We live in a hamiltonian world yet it's Jefferson who people praise.
Ksay10 1 year ago
@Ksay10 the supposed hamiltonian world that you speak of (which is actually mostly inspired by john maynard keynes) is leading to the demise and destruction of the economy through hamilton's desires, just as jefferson predicted. why do you think that woodrow wilson apologised for creating the fed? hamilton ran around insulting, badmouthing and bullying people, exactly what lead to his demise. he was exactly the sort of person the american people revolted against. federalism doesn't work!
samm1809 1 year ago
@anebt
I don't mean to be rude, but if you do not like this man, then why do you watch a tribute to him? I certainly can see your point, and I respect your ability and authority to say it, but there must be a better place to do so!
inspector1stclass 1 year ago
didnt hamilton want washington to be king?
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
Funny how the Right hates Hamilton. Our freedom and ideals may be attributed to Jefferson, Adams. Washington, et al. But the greatness of America - American Exceptionalism if you will - can be traced directly to Alexander Hamilton. No greater tribute to Hamilton can be than the fact that his nemesis, Jefferson, ruled completely in the Hamilton mode when he assumed the presidency.
michaeljamsmith 1 year ago 2
@michaeljamsmith
Hamilton represents big government and power in the hands of few. Please tell me where in the Delclaration of Independence or the Constitution where it says The United States "should" be controlled by banks and big government. American exceptionalism is not the greatness of America. No wonder people like Hamilton, they dont understand shit about this nation. Truly unbelievable.
Jononutoob 1 year ago
Man, Hamilton knew how to shred a guitar
RockShot777 1 year ago 9
Aaron Burr's intention was to carve the United States up into 2 seperate Countries, beginning as early as 1804 and he did this through the Vice Presidency.
Furthermore, he killed Alexander Hamilton in frustration for his inability to destroy Hamilton's National Bank through Burr's Treasonous Manhattan Company [Now JP Morgan Chase]
AnonymousWhitePerson 1 year ago 3
@AnonymousWhitePerson you know very well that wasn't the reason he killed hamilton. it was a duel that hamilton lost and hamilton provoked him.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
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Hamilton's the greatest of our founders. His vision of America is what made this country great. That's why Jefferson and Madison barely changed any functions of his federal system, hypocritically. His system was just too good, although they were never man enough to admit it. Long live the memory of Alexander Hamilton.
NinoTheGod 1 year ago
god dam you Aaron Burr, who might i also add was thought to have been a traitor in later years
A4Rein 1 year ago 2
Alexander Hamilton was the greatest Caribbean 'Jew' who ever lived.
AnonymousWhitePerson 1 year ago 3
@AnonymousWhitePerson Goddammit, don't say something like that unless it's true.
phospholipasec 1 year ago
he was an agent for european bankers
4freedomyearn80 2 years ago
ok so now how is THIS related to my kooky pen video??? alexander hamilton? seriously?? ok then. weird.
KookyPenFan101 2 years ago
hes my cuzin
coolcutie447 2 years ago
im related 2 him
coolcutie447 2 years ago
Alexander Hamilton was among the greatest of the Founding Fathers: War hero, author of the Federalist Papers, Washington's "prime minister" during the first 8 years of the new government, architect of our financial and economic system, all-round genius. Unlike Jefferson, Hamilton was born in poverty and was a self-made man. He was totally opposed to slavery and unearned privilege. His contributions to every person who enjoys freedom and prosperity in America should never be forgotten.
Paladin930 2 years ago 4
@Paladin930 hamilton wanted washington to be king and jefferson wrote the declaration of independence which obliterated the divine right of kings. who was really for the people?
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
Alexander Hamilton was intensely ambitions.
Hamilton quickly moved up in society and has little faith in the common citizen and sided with the interests of upper classes Americans.
Hamilton said of Jefferson's beloved common people;
"Your people sir, your people is a great beast.
Unlike Jefferson, Hamilton believed in concentrating power in federal government and in my opinion it was the only way for US to survive.
SassanianPrince 2 years ago
how would him concentrating power to the fed gov help the U.S to survive
JunjiNizPr3cious 2 years ago
@SassanianPrince Hamilton never said that statement about the people...it has been disproved by every legitimate historian. As for your incorrect statement about the his feelings about the common people...please provide some evidence of that...I would love to see your evidence that the man who helped make America a meritocracy and not a Jeffersonian Oligarchy somehow disdained the common people
Kierkegaard73 1 year ago 2
I think people are brainwashed at a young age to worship Jefferson
Ksay10 2 years ago 13
You mean Hamilton. When we get our country back from the big bankers and end the Fed reserve bank. The world again will appriciate the constitution and Jefferson.
drudge20 2 years ago
Uh. Obviously you don't know much about either Hamilton or Jefferson.
Doodoorump 2 years ago 2
@drudge20 once more a person who knows nothing about Hamilton's bank yet presumes it is the father of the federal reserve. Simply not true...and what kind of an economy did ole Jefferson wish for...strange how throughout the first 6 years of the New Constitution he and Madison persistently tried to use govt to force trade away from Britain. Yeah, now there is real capitalism for ya...Jefferson was a walking hypocrite...no wonder Wash. refused to speak to him after 1793
Kierkegaard73 1 year ago 2
@Kierkegaard73,
Thank God, finally someone who knows United States History!
Alexander Hamilton's 1st and 2nd Bank of the United States were perhaps the most successful banks in world history. The ability for the government to issue its own Credit interest free.
IIt was sadly taken down in 1836 by the 33rd degree Freemason, Andrew Jackson on behalf of Martin Van Buren, the Wall Street Banker, and Eight president of the United States, precipitating the Banking Panic of 1837.
AnonymousWhitePerson 1 year ago 2
@Kierkegaard73 the embargo was the biggest mistake of jeffersons life, he was definitely a lot better out of presidency.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@Ksay10 Amen. I'm tired of Jefferson being taught as the gold standard of the American Ideal, when Hamilton built himself up from absolutely nothing but his brains.
Lissbirds 1 year ago 3
@Lissbirds hamilton didnt write the declaration of independence.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi Yes I know Hamilton didn't write the Declaration of Independence. Jefferson did. Or, rather, he stole the ideas from Rousseau. Jefferson was a rich, hypocritical, back-biting slave owner who thought 90 percent of American would be farmers. Hamilton contributed more to this country than he did.
Lissbirds 1 year ago
@Lissbirds All you provided regarding Jefferson was ad hominem. It may dismay you to know that that Hamilton was in favor of an elective monarchy and while Jefferson was wrong about the agrarian economy, he was certainly right about the central banks. If you think Greenspans policies have been anything more than totally inept then you have been living under a rock. Jefferson wrote the document that destroyed any notion of the divine right of kings being implemented in the US and contributed more
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@Lissbirds Actually Jefferson implemented John Locke's ideas from the second treatise. I don't think Jefferson every claimed to have invented the idea of liberty so I don't why you say "stole".
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi No, but history remembers the Declaration's ideas as Jefferson's and people are oft to forget the truth. Ad hominem attacks, sure, but true.
Say what you want about the banks, but by centralizing the national debt, America was considered a legitimate nation by Europe that could borrow money. We wouldn't be here without Hamilton.
Lissbirds 1 year ago
@Ksay10
Agree 100%!!! He owned slaves....Hamilton NEVER did. Jefferson wanted to be like the French.....and their revolution where eveyone is equal....(sound familiar?)....Hamilton believed in meritocracy, individualism....and a healthy dose of David Hume skepticism.....IMO Pres. Washington's greatness was in trusting Hamilton's pragmatism and not Jefferson's idealism.
enverpasha55 1 year ago
@Ksay10 LOOOOOOL meanwhile the government is run by unconstitutional executive orders and compromising sellout congressman, the issuance of money is monopolized by a central bank, the treasury is being drained by wars and government spending and the nation has exported it's productive capacity to china. god, when are we ever going to get rid of this jefferson style government?
samm1809 1 year ago
@Ksay10 Do you not see the contradiction in fighting a war for independence only to be in debt to a central bank? Are you people that insane? When i see the comments in favor of Hamilton I can understand how this nation is in debt and why credit is the way it is today. Hamilton used fear to get what he wanted. Remember "Live free or die", You'd rather have "live in debt to a bank or die". The banks of Europe were loving the idea of loaning us money. I wonder why...
Jononutoob 1 year ago
@Ksay10 Hamilton was no doubt the genius amongst a collection of geniuses but still you can't take away from Jefferson's genius. But yeah Alexander is my favorite founding father just slightly above Thomas Paine
TonyDucats 1 year ago
@Ksay10 agreed
OmarMoulhem 1 year ago
@Ksay10 I think you are either a fucking moron or a globalist.
Hannanstl 10 months ago
I think the video description is far too generous. If any of the Founding Fathers fit that description, it is Jefferson. Hamilton was in favor of the first national bank and, in fact, initiated the process that led to its creation. This alone tarnishes Hamilton's legacy as a man for the people or the common man.
Hamilton was great in certain respects, but I wouldn't call him the greatest.
serfdomthwart 2 years ago
Tarnishes? Are you high?
The First National Bank, by any measure, was one of the most successful banks in modern history.
It helped establish the United States as an international player and legitimate nation.
And eh, you're over here dissing him as a man of the people? He came from NOTHING. He built HIMSELF from the ground up. Jefferson was born with a silver-spoon.
Doodoorump 2 years ago 9
Hamilton is one of the greatest American. He was also a person that everybody hated. When he spoke or write a article, everybody would listen or read it. He's kind of remind me of the TV character Dr. House. Brilliant mind, but a jerk.
b42baritone 2 years ago
Hamilton is in my trio of favorite Founding Fathers alongside Franklin and Jefferson. In Hamilton we find, by reading his writings (Fed papers, Reports on Banking/Credit/Manufactures) a keen mind for what would make a successful nation and turn an experiment in self-Government into a raging success. Hamilton's belief in Manufacturing or Production as 'true wealth' together with the skills of workers, is something our pols could learn today - Hamilton econ. n Jefferson Liberty n Franklin the rest
northmeister 2 years ago 3
He's my great great great great grandfather and my future husband is the heir to winston churchill
AshleyACaruso 2 years ago
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magdamagda999 2 years ago
Such a tragic fall. He was a good man though. I kinda get what he said.
Illusenfan35 2 years ago
Hamilton is not a tranny
jandean61 2 years ago
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DoubleDutchBust 2 years ago
Imperialist Hamilton spoke more like a Tyrant then a revolutionary look at where his ideas have gotten us, the Treasury it was ok when it started but like Jefferson was afraid of it turned in to the FED and is now corrupt its a guild of nobles that are higher then the people and the government its the reason for economic down fall sense the great depression (in fact it sparked it) and the recession we are in now, not because of free market, just go print more money o yeah cause that really works
Makeshiftdemon 2 years ago
The Dept of Treasury is a dept. of the govt. The FED is a private banking corporation, representing the Vatican Banking Cartels as opposed to the best interests of the country.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
makesshift....Hamilton's economic beliefs are the root of America's development of Capitalism, that prior to the 1970s meant Protectionism until 1932 and Reciprocity n Subsidy (MIC etc.) afterwards. America's two greatest leaders Lincoln and Roosevelt were Hamiltonians and thus Capitalists. Free trade and markets were never the American way, and were advocated mostly by the South prior to and after CW - a support for low wages n serfdom. Jefferson's party's answer was Protectionism by the way.
northmeister 2 years ago
How could I claim citizenship through JUS SANGUINIS (which claims that you are an american citizen if 1 of your parents is an american citizen.) I am goiing to need legislation through congress to change a privacy law at the St.Louis military personnel records center for those who served in Panama. Also to have them submit DNA samples.
cris750 2 years ago
He was born outside of the United States. JUS SANGUINIS applied.
cris750 2 years ago
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Aaron Burr national hero
jbs4life1 2 years ago
The age old dialogue continues...the hobnail boot stating that man cannot self govern, as it grinds any and all who do under its heel.
"I have gained this by philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law."
Interesting that so much today that is labelled 'philosophy'...is not. And so many of those considered heroes solely by dint of repetition and general ignorance of history...are and were not.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Hamilton rests firmly in the 'not' catagory. Not heroic, not intelligent...and philosophically not American.
A Hanoverian agent, serving those that House Hanover served (not England). As such, he and the current crowd called 'neo-con' are philosophical allies.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
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abbesieyes 2 years ago
He was the man...neo con my ass! I just finished the bio on him 731 pages by ron chrnow...the guy was amazing, and all the fear about his programs subsided over the next two decades when the republicans realized they needed a bank, a navy, the treasury, etc....HE WAS AMAZING....damn him for wasting his shot in that duel...he should have blown that evil piece of shit BURR away.
pjairen 3 years ago 2
Burr was a fucking scumbag.
lol...nice Halo music to Hamilton. That's a first.
GREAT video.
ZamatoElite 2 years ago 7
Burr was a scumbag...... so was Hamilton
Blucius13 2 years ago
I'm not going to disagree with that.
But between Burr and Hamilton, Burr was a bigger scumbag. The bastard should have been put to death for treason.
ZamatoElite 2 years ago 2
@ZamatoElite,
Aaron Burr should have been sentenced to death for Treason on three principal grounds:
First for killing Alexander Hamilton;
Second for founding the Treasonous Manhattan Company, the precursor to the filthy Chase Manhattan and now JP Morgan Chase,
Thirdly for writing to the British Foreign Sec. Anthony Merry, of a letter to King George III of a plan to detach the Louisianna Territory and create a secession of the Northern States.
AnonymousWhitePerson 1 year ago
@ZamatoElite Burr is my favorite founding father!
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
Not only was Alexander Hamilton a brilliant man, but he held on to his moral convictions even to the point of death. He knew he was going to die, but he did it anyway. That's greatness.
Challenger305 2 years ago
I have just started to read ron chernow's biographical work on Hamilton as well. From what I have already read I must admit it is quite an exhaustive historical account of this unfortunate and often forgotten important political figure in our nation's history
Tliberty91 2 years ago
I'm reading it too, up to page 400.
Wcoltd 2 years ago
Hes a neocon
borntobelegend 3 years ago
There is a strong difference between those who support anarchy and those who support the preservation of states rights. There are numerous things i can think better off left to s central government.... security, roads, foreign economic interest. However when it comes to protecting the natural law of man you want the law to be flexible and easily manageable by those it serves to protect. You do this by leaving it to the local governments.
aaronbassplyr 3 years ago
What's the name of this song?
Alexander Hamilton saw a UFO and aliens you know. Here is a quotation by him: "To my utter astonishment I saw an airship descending over my cow lot. It was occupied by six of the strangest beings I ever saw. They were jabbering together, but we could not understand a word they said." (1897)
TimeTravel87 3 years ago
Ahahahaha, Hamilton the best political and economic thinker of all time. Give me a break.
Thrice13 3 years ago
Monarchical President, Central Bank, Fiat Money, Protectionism, Corporate Welfare, British Mercantilism at its fullest. Nothing like that watered down BS Lincoln was pushing. Hamilton, loyal not to the British crown but to the British system.
MarketAnarchy 3 years ago
Interesting, the Constitution we have today was drafted by the federalists... Whom the stand out was Hamilton. Real monarchical huh.
Although his Idea for a national bank wasn't probably wasn't his best. He was right on most of the time working to creating a form of government never before practiced by the world.
Challenger305 3 years ago
It was the federalists who advocated a central power over the states. It is monarchical as Hamilton saw it; an appointed president and senate with life terms. The anti-feds like Jefferson wanted, say, the 10th amendment to stay away from central power. His economics was as mercantile as Britain's; central bank/fiat currency for State spending, protectionism and corporate welfare to keep the economy "strong". People, like Jefferson, fought those old policies for progressive, free market liberty.
MarketAnarchy 3 years ago
MarketAnarchy - We tried it your way for a few years under The Articles of Confederation. It was an absolute, miserable failure.
Wizjkahna 3 years ago
My way is anarchy. That was not what the Articles of Confederation were.
MarketAnarchy 3 years ago
For Austrian economists to call Washington, Hamilton and, later, Lincoln unpatriotic to the American Revolution is shameless, revisionist propaganda.
Strong government was necessary to cure the ills of an anemic Articles of Confederation and engender confidence for a vibrant economy with would-be creditors.
Jefferson was three thousand miles away in France during the Constitutional Convention.
I find this smear campaign by the Mises Institute absolutely disgraceful.
Wizjkahna 3 years ago
Strong government is never necessary except to benefit the State and those who run it. And nobody called him in unpatriotic just misinformed. There have been plenty of strong economies without strong governments and the only ills present in the Articles of Confederation is that they did not go far enough.
MarketAnarchy 3 years ago
I completely disagree with your view. There does need to be a balance between despotism and anarchy...or chaos. As Hamilton said, "if men were angels , there would be no need for government." But, without mechanisms to defend the citizenry and ensure justice and tranquility, the quality of life for most people would be eroded considerably.
Wizjkahna 3 years ago
Anarchy is not chaos. Anarchy has law and has mechanisms, police forces and courts, to maintain that law. It must be easy to disagree with a view you do not know.
MarketAnarchy 3 years ago
It's not enough in modern society. Listen, I know you are only twenty years old. But maturity will cure you of this delusion.
Wizjkahna 3 years ago
What is not enough in modern society? Do you even know what you are arguing against? Maturity? I posted the video with historical facts. You are the one using age to nullify arguments you do not understand. You are the one who claimed ridiculousness without support. You are the one offering nothing but feelings. I may be young but I am not the one who lacks maturity.
MarketAnarchy 3 years ago
Spoken like someone just out of their teenage years. I will respond; but I've got to get back to work...not like you laboratory economist wannabees.
Wizjkahna 3 years ago 2
I agree with Wizjkahna. Anarchy is not possible due to human nature. And there are no schools or police forces in anarchy, those are federal constitutions. I would advise Market Economy to stop talking as he is only showing off his ignorance.
MrAlexanderHamilton 3 years ago 4
hamilton>jefferson
its not even close
hamilton is twice the man jefferson ever was, and hamilton only lived half of jefferson's life, so yeah hamilton was a shit load better
dmini2 3 years ago
Hamilton>Jefferson
by so far, it's not even close. Jefferson was not half the man Hamilton was. And since Hamilton only lived about half of Jefferson's life, it says a lot about the man that Hamilton was
dmini2 3 years ago
I loled.
Reaperz1111 3 years ago
A vastly underrated founding father and America's greatest Secretary of the Treasury. I wish he was here today to sort out this financial mess.
jumjum151 3 years ago 2
hear! hear! Thank God is right... "Psychogenius", you disgrace yourself and your country by attempting to pile more dirt on the already unfairly tarnished reputation of a great hero, leader, visionary and patriot. Shame on you. Hamilton was the greatest.
bptmuff 3 years ago
Hamilton was an expansionist of his time, he wnated to turn America into an Empire when its central government was still weak, but regardless I thank him for everything he did in the Revolutionary War. Hero.
ContinentalArmy1776 3 years ago
You just made a tribute to a British agent.
Psychogenius018 3 years ago
The 1st Bank of the US was a private bank controlled by British financial interests that were intent on manipulating our currency to their enrichment and to the detriment of the American people.
Psychogenius018 3 years ago
Since you are a psychogenius, I'd like to hear your theory on how America could have established sound credit with the European powers in a better fashion than those developed by Hamilton. His policies were precocious in the sense that nearly the entire western world embodies the same economic theories championed by A.H. 200 years ago. If you are only the age your name suggests, take an upper level history class and read a few credible books before making such baseless conspiracy statements.
BuffaloIan 3 years ago
The hell with europe! Hamilton's "sound credit with the European powers" amounted to the 1st Bank of the US, which was privately owned and controlled by the English-Jewish Rothschild Banking Dynasty along with their other bankster minion scum. Like Napoleon said, the winners write the history books; so finding "credible books" is obviously more difficult than you realize.You're certainly not going to find much truth in an upper level history class in our Rockefeller controlled education system.
Psychogenius018 3 years ago
Why would Hamilton have been interested in enriching anyone when he himself never acquired wealth in his own lifetime. As a matter of fact, time after time, he chose to serve the new government when a private sector job would have been much more lucrative. The charges that Hamilton was beholden to the Brits or to the aristocracy of America could never be proven when one examines his life. He even refused his military pension for fighting against the British much to the detriment of his family
termite66 3 years ago
Thank you for that wonderful tribute. As I've already read I am not the only one, but I am related to him!! So this was cool. Thanks!
musewitch 3 years ago
He is my hero....
that's about all I can say...
I great genious...
Dikirtzo 3 years ago
I'm actually related to Alexander Hamilton
TurkeyBoy94 3 years ago
Dude, so am I!! On my Mother's side, her middle name is Hamilton, after him. They are from Kentucky, where are you? Maybe we are related in some way, other than on the Hamilton side, lol!!
musewitch 3 years ago
DUDE!! He's on my mom's side to. I think my great grandmothers last name was Hamilton.
TurkeyBoy94 3 years ago
So is he a great (x 5), grandfather or do you know? He was our great (x 4 or 5, not sure,) grandfather. Maybe we will rise to greatness, ha ha!!
musewitch 3 years ago
Excellent Tribute. Throughout the annals of humankind there has been known who stand on the same plateau of greatness as A.H. Take his great speech at the Const. Conv., his speeches at the N.Y. Ratif. Conv., and The Fed. Papers pertaining to the U.S.Senate and then contrast them with the 17th Amendment. Hamilton's greatest fear, and America's doom is realized in that