this is not war this is murder... they should have stop firing after the tank was disabled and the crew was trying to get out.... instead they fired again and again...
AMERICA GO AROUND THE WORLD TO BOMB IRAQ FOR MASS DESTRUCTION WEAPONS...SPEND BILLIONS IN OFFENSIVE WAR DEVICES AND AT HOME PEOPLE MUST PAY HOSPITAL........................
Imgaine this being YOUR neigbourhood. Imagine the tnakcrew burning in aggony is YOUR family or friends. Imagina all that stuff and learn to live with it. Big respect for those poeple
I like this video more than the original one 'cause of its music :) someone was asking the name of the song so it is "Der Krieg Ist Aust from the Downfall movie"
@wildchild77x We can thank the U.S. Tank destroyer doctrine for the Sherman having such an inadequate main gun in WW II. This required the M-4 to be an infantry support tank, which would have no need of a higher velocity gun, even though it could have easily been built with one. The task of engaging enemy tanks was given to Tank destroyers, which came in different types, which had different degrees of success. At any rate, the Sherman was left without adequate gun power.
@beardo52 Even though to low velocity 75mm was good enough for PZ I through IV, it had some trouble with the later IV, through VII. This doctrine may have looked good on paper, but fell very short in the real world battle space. So many crews could have been saved, (as well as vehicles had the 76.2mm high velocity gun been used from the beginning. (it had a much longer case, holding loads more propellant. It wasnt bad design, it was bad administration that caused the problem.
As you guys can see the M26 Pershing had to fire many shells because of the Panther's armour...while the Panther usually only needed to fire once just like the Tiger...that's 'cause German tanks were the best and even today they are the best...so much for its crew :(
@MegaKaiser45 Ive read from the gunners (Pershing) report the shells went through the entire tank. And why do you think the crew is escaped after the first hit.. because its burning up.
@IronJerommeke Yeah but the entire crew didn't survive did they? That's what I wrote what I wrote...and yeah M26 canon was 90mm but that doesn't deal very well with the Tiger's cannon which was 88mm as you know ;)
@MegaKaiser45 The 90 mm gun of the Pershing pentrated with every hit. Each hit was a kill shot in it own right. There was no reason to hurry, so the american commander made certain that the enemy vehicle was made unrecoverable. The American 's had plenty of ammo, silly not to use it. The Panther commander was fortunate that his tank didn't break down just trying to get there. Your enthusiasm is outweighted by the facts.
@beardo52 Alright but I'm just trying to say what it really was...and it is that German tanks were best of the best even the M26 had lots of trubles to deal with a single Panther or even worse with a Tiger and what about nowadays? Leopard II tank is better than M1 Abrahams in fact Leopard 2 panzer is the ebst tank in the world ;)
@MegaKaiser45 It takes many factors to determine "best" in the context of tanks of WWII The PZ V,VI,and VII were very interesting concepts, but could not be built to their potential because technology was not able to support the concept. So, if you want to give them the best idea at the time award, I agree they did have a great idea. But ideas do not win wars by themselves. Cheap, fast, and dirty may not be Germanic, but it does win wars, which is what most folks define as best.
@beardo52 YEAH! But, admit it, Germany lost 'cause they were a few figthing against too many. Have you watched TANKS on TV? There is said that for each German tank lost there were 12 tanks lost on the enemy so that makes you think..."German tanks were the best" What about Michael Wittmann and his Tigergrüppen? Same case for Otto Carious. Germans were few but hard opponents in all fronts. Quantity may be important but quality too, and if we talk about quality...only Panzer divisions know that!
@MegaKaiser45 The point is that they lost, even though the greater world lost much more. Like i said, The V,VI,and VII were good ideas, but could not have ever been built to their potential. As it was, the Panther was rushed into service before it was ready, and Germany paid for their haste. The Panther was way over weight, so much so that Drivers were trained to never push the driveline too hard, as it wasnt up to the strain. The use of slave labor didn't help either.
@beardo52 The Tiger I was better than the others, though it was mechanically suspect, as well as too heavy for many bridges, and soggy ground. Very thirsty too, even when the fuel system didn't leak (which wasn't often. ) The Tiger II was a complete joke, as it was so unreliable most of its losses were due to failures, and lack of fuel. I can't feel bad for them, they deserved everything they got.
@beardo52 Too bad that they were too few against too many, thats what happens when a gov't makes foolish decisions, and the people of that land let a syphillitic mad man run their country.
@beardo52 Numbers won that war...but I agree with you in some parts like the lack of fuel and it's true. Actually most Panthers, Tigers, Jagdpanthers, King Tigers as well as Jagdtigers were destroyed by their own crews once they were running out of gas and ammo. The built of the M26 was thanks to the capture of a Tiger in North Africa, and that's why the crews of the other great Panzers opted by destroying them befroe allowing them to fall into the enemy's hands ;)
@MegaKaiser45 Fuel supplies were a big problem, but the poor quality in the construction of the Tiger I led to most of its problems, even though it was the better of the 3 later tanks. as things continued to go badly for the reich, quality of all parts of the war effort became worse. For tank production it meant lesser quality in materials, machining,, and testing. this led to even greater performance issues in the later tanks, which led to breakdowns, and abandonment.
@beardo52 It did not matter to the allies who destroyed the abandoned vehicles, as long as they were destroyed. The allies made a point of searching out, and completely demolishing abandoned equipment to prevent its recovery, and repair. In the later part of the war, the welding became so poor that seems would open up when a shell would strike near them. Armor was degraded, and did not protect as it should have. The M-26 was built to hold the 90 mm gun already in use by the M-36 T.D.
@beardo52 It was not derivative of any German design. It lasted only a short time till it was replaced by the M-46 which corrected some shortcomings in the 26's driveline. Had it not been for the ignorant decision to use the Tank destroyer Doctrine, the Sherman would have had a far better gun, and the Panther, and Tiger would have faired much more poorly against it. Germany stepped into it up to their necks, all the Allies had to do was hold on till the Reich punched itself out.
@beardo52 That's what could have happened with allied tanks but it didn't! Most allied tank crews were interviewed one time and they all opted by choosing the Tiger as their current tanks if they would have to drive and use anoter tank in combat again...watch Tiger vs Sherman here in youtube and you'll know it ;)
@G3Fful I don't know pal I watched it but I think the Leo's better than T-90, anyway it was only a Math simulation so nothing's been said yet and by the momment even Russian high command thinks Leopard is superior :)
@MegaKaiser45 I recall reading from an article that the M26 in this video took a hit from the Panther first before returning fire... That hit did not penetrate.
@RaptureandZune Must have hit at a very bad angle then, the Panthers 7.5 cm KwK 42 has 175mm penetration at 500m while the Pershing only has 110mm of armor at best.
@newhoped You can blame the late-war German shell quality, but that round totally bounced off. On the return fire, The 90mm on the Pershing went through both sides of the Panther.
@newhoped The Pershing got off the first shot, which hit the side armor at quite a perpendicular angle. Interestingly the second shot penetrated the lower mantlet.
@newhoped Where do you guys get this stuff? The 90mm gun with M77 shot was 151mm @ 30^; the M82 ammo was 132mm @ 30^ (6mm less then the kwk 75) which penetrated much better at longer ranges the 75mm L/70. Your also quoting AP.40 (APCR) ammo which is subcaliber ammo. That was very rare when the Panther G entered service. If you want to compare tho you need to compare with the 90mm APCR ammo which was 220mm @ 30^ at 500m and a much larger round.
@MegaKaiser45 Actually, seems to me like the Pershing got the Panther with the first hit, and the following 2 shots were intended to completely destroy it. Take a look at this video: watch?v=Jt5bJQOkI1g
@MegaKaiser45 Sorry but this is entirely incorrect. After the first shot penetrated, the panther was no longer operational. It's hard to judge exactly how damaged it is, but the crew are bailing out, so it's no longer operational. The pershing continued to fire 2 more rounds to ensure it was entirely destroyed. Accounts given by the gunner of the Perhshing, and an overview of the engagement can be found by googling 'Dierk cologne tank duel'
@MegaKaiser45 The 90mm on the Pershing was a better gun then the 88 on the Tiger. The Panthers side armor was very thin, only 45mm thick. Those 90mm are easily penetrating the panther. Thing is they where making darn sure they could not return fire simply because a penetrated tank does not mean dead crew... Just FYI the Pershing had similar frontal armor in effectiveness but more side armor by almost 2x's over the panther.
@jensfav7 90cm better than 88mm of the Tiger??? So, then why the Tiger remained as a better tank than M26 and even as a good tank killer even Pershing killer huh??? Tiger tanks were excellent tank destroyers, Pershing was made to deal with the PRIDE OF THE FATHERLAND I mean the Tiger and it was not a good result 'cause as always the Tiger showed the allies how good it was destroying all of their tanks even the M26 ;)
@MegaKaiser45 Yes the 90mm not cm. Its a bigger harder hitting round then the 88. Better range and penetration - thats just fact. It has better post penetration performance also due to a larger burster charge in the warhead. The Tiger was a great tank, not disputing. The Pershing was an answer to the Tiger, but not just that, it was an answer to soviet designs too. The armor design, turret speed and optics of the pershing where infact better then the Tigers. Historically M26 vrs Tiger 1:1
@MegaKaiser45 they had the thickest armor and best guns but their engines and tracks broke down all the time. That came from a ww2 tanker of the ss that was interviewed in the 1970.
@Goofus5453 Great observation a tank with a 120mm gun depleted uranium armor, and thermal optics that is more than 30 years after WW2, opted obser fucking vation.
@Goofus5453 Hopefully we will never have to find out, but heed the fact that even the Abrams is upgrading, (most likely already has) to a similar version of the Rheinmetall 120mm smooth bore gun, basically copying it, Americans aren't stupid, they know a good gun when they see one, Germany is the king of the modern battlefield, and they have been throughout the years, bad decision by delusional leaders sealed their fate in WW2, but being so blindly arrogant I find it hard to take you serious.
@OMGWTFMUFFINS What does it matter where a gun comes from? Don't get me wrong, i'm not putting down the German Army by no means. I don't much about the modern German Army, just the ww2 Army and SS and SS Panzers, they where bad ass motherfuckers! I started reading about U- boats when i was 11 or 12, 30 years ago.
@waaasteee I'm not exactly sure which song it is, but I can point you in the right direction. I'm fairly certain It's a movie score song from "The thin red line" composed by Hans Zimmer :)
The russian's used one of their icebreakers to clear a path so the german raider "KORMORAN" could get into the pacific were it sank allied merchant ship's and the australian cruiser SYDNEY.
America came for lootingrun in end when russia allready had won and germany was retreating moron... 1 video where PANTHER is killed by alliedtank... Heres hundreds videos where panther or tiger kills everything, only by bombing allies could effectively takeout panzers... Thats fact and USA in all wars after ww2 jas bombed the enemy with whatever they got hands on, cant win with groundforces only. GERMANY DID! Eat that xD
You're absolutely right. I only meant to imply that Russia took the brunt of the land fighting against Germany, while the western allies served to give Hitler plenty else to vacillate over in Western Europe, Italy, the Atlantic and Mediterranean, and Africa.
Most didn't even have an active membership in the Nazi party, and Hitler did not win by a majority of German voters. Simply by a majority of seats, he actually only got 40% of the votes. So per-say your country men were to partake in a wrong war, like Iraq, and end up killing quite a few civilians. Would you not be offended if they considered all those soldiers to be "Imperialist British Fascist"?
@NeutralExistence First off the British were and still are imperialists pigs and AMERICA did not declare war on the axis powers they were the aggressors and Hitler had plans of an invasion of America. America fought a justice war for are survival and turns out the survival of the "undesirables". I give no regrade nor respect for the men that joined the Nazi war machine and killed innocent men and women in a war of their aggression.
While it is true that Germany did declare war first, its well known that the "American" government were just itching to get their country involved in the conflict. They were sending supplies to Britain, and other allied nations, plus they cut off the supply of refined fuel to Japan which were all direct acts of war. Not to mention the U.S. sent a full passenger ship into German waters that it was warned not to go into, and purposely let it be sunk.
cont... therefore the war in "America" was started solely based on profit. The U.S. didn't care about Poland, or the Jews, there was a huge majority of people that didn't want the U.S. involved in the war at all. Then they let pearl harbor happen on purpose, (there is much documentation to back this up). Driving the "American" people into war so that the leaders could profit.
They never did it to help anyone, the very opposite actually.
@NeutralExistence America stopped trading oil "which is not illegal nor any form of war" to japan as a protest for the aggression towards china. America saw what was going on and tried to stay out of it "the American public believed in isolationism" but at the same time supplied Brittan hoping that it would do enough which turned out not to be and America was dragged into yet another European squabble and every time before.
That is a act of war when you cut off the only refinery that can produce the amount of oil Japan needs, that cut off a giant economic trade agreement, and doing so is almost always an act of war. To Japan who have virtually no natural resources on their Island, that was a huge blow to their entire country. The "American" "elite" knew that the constitution made their war illegal, and by all means tried to invoke the people's anger. It was not about morals.
@NeutralExistence it is called trade embargo's idiot. it was American oil and Americans did not want that oil to be used in killing Chinese people. American faought a moral correct war against an aggressive enemy that wanted to kill any Americans it could find. America won and history shows us as the liberators and peace bringers.
Wow some one got their panty's in a bunch. Trade embargo's are acts of war, especially when you are cutting of a country's only supply of something, sure the U.N. doesn't define it as an act of war so they can get away with their economic sanctions that have starved Cuba for years. Sure you can pretend like it was a moral just war if it makes you feel any-better, but the fact stands that "America" only got involved for profit.
@NeutralExistence American equipment tho and that is a FACT! Go to warrelics eu.com and check out the P-39 aircobra they brought up off the bottom of that lake even had cans of food stored in it labels were in russian but MADE IN THE U.S.A! Also they STOLE our B-29's and copied them!
@usterdboy Thats a load crap Amerian winning the war'you make me laugh.You may have supplied the Allies with hardware,that dose not mean they won the war on there own.It was on the EASTERN FRONT WHERE THE WAR WAS WON WITH THE HELP OF THE ALLIES ON THE WESTERN FRONT.THAT WHAT HISTORY SHOWS
@usterdboy Name calling now" your problem is that you can't handle the truth boy,or what ever you are.And like I said before, no the USA DID NOT WIN THE WAR ON THERE OWN AND I NEVER SAID I WAS SPECIAL,YOU DID MY FRIEND
@usterdboy You make me laugh,you should calm down I don't want anything to happen to you Boy.Don't hate it will eat you up,All you have to say is that we all won the war together as allies is that so hard.
@usterdboy Americans went to N.Africa, near end of 1942 to help the 8th Army,then they went on to Sicily & Italy in 1943.This is the first time that the US Army as a whole step on European soil in WW2. Late in 1943 preperation were made for D Day landings in 1944.My question to you "Boy"is that by the time "landings" occured Germany was "Kaput"the Soveits were already in poland and other eastren country's,so no the USA did not win the war on there own it was a joint effort,
@usterdboy What alot of crap, the war was virtually over before you hit the coast of France read your history book or google it.And I have always maintained it was a joint effort
@takirid I NEVER said that,WE might of been able too win it notice I said MIGHT.One thing that I do KNOW is YOU could NOT have won it on your own and were NOT winning. OOO and it's THEIR not THERE you little STAIN! LOL
@usterdboy Not necessarily so, Takirid has a point. I'd argue that it might have taken a lot lot longer to win, if it hadn't have been for the US. That's on the basis of the Germans taking appalling losses in in Russia and losing Stalingrad in 1942 and the oil fields.
Once the Russian armaments industry was in full flow (1942 onwards) it could sustain losses at a rate of 10:1.
Plus the US has a habit of only coming into a war once it knows it's on the winning side - as in 1914-1918.
@beaujeste1 LOL are you high kid? do even know anything about ww2? you understand that the US supplied all of the allies Russia was losing until the United states started precession bombing and opening another front. "Plus the US has a habit of only coming into a war once it knows it's on the winning side - as in 1914-1918." shut the fuck up kid you clearly are a stupid ass.
While the US was sitting on it's hands, Britain and Commonwealth countries fought in Europe, won the Battle of Britain, was also fighting in North Africa, Middle East and the Far East in Singapore, Malaya and Indo China.
Britain supplied Russia with fighter aircraft in 1941. It also supplied the destroyers on Arctic convoys. Britain started bombing Germany in 1940 and continued until the end of the war.
@beaujeste1 Thanks for letting me know, I did not relized I had spelt it wrong. The free world .will never live in peace whether there are people like me or you.Only God can do that.
@beaujeste1 the objective in Korea was to protect and uphold the sovereignty of south Korea. Last time i check South Korea is still around with a functioning democracy. "you clearly are a stupid shit head". Also idiot if it wasn't for Americas industrial might and military power Germany would have won the war in europe and would have inventively drop a atomic bomb on Russia. THE KEY PLAYER IN WW2 on the allied side was AMERICA you ignorant piece of shit.
You really are a typical US fantasist and have to resort to abuse when you can't get your own way.
It's people like you that you give America a bad name. You're a bit like George Bush but without humour, irony and education.
The US is a big country and eventually played it's part in supplying munitions and men. But in 3.5 years, casualty figures of 420k? The UK, 6 years of conflict 460,000 dead and Russia 3.5 years of war = 24 million.
@beaujeste1 the numbers have nothing to do with this you stupid fuck. America took the brunt of the war and supplied tons of material to the allies when they themselves could not support themselves. so stfu kid cus you dont understand shit.
'took the brunt of the war' - you really should go a library, preferably one that has real books in it. Try reading a few, you might even enjoy it. Also go to College or better still a decent University. As well as learning facts (assuming you can learn?) you might even pick a few manners and be able to debate with facts.
I think your abuse, petulance and general lack of knowledge of the true facts, just compounds your public displays of ignorance.
@beaujeste1 kid your a fucking idiot. Your whole comment was a failed attempt to insult me. how about you get your head out your ass and learn what something about ww2. You are asswipe.
Listen, I'm no kid. I've served in the UK armed forces, been to University, I have my own successful business and in my spare time I travel and study history, in particular armed conflict.
I'll cut you some slack on the basis that you were probably the kid at the back with learning difficulties, ADHD, autism and quite obviously tourettes (look it up).
You've picked arguments with everyone on the site over your version of history who say you're wrong.
@beaujeste1 LOL ok you 14 year old dip-shit shut the fuck up cus you dont know what the hell you are talking about loser. If it wasn't for America the allies would have lost "everyone knows this idiot".
@takirid Ya and we could not of kicked japan's AZZ without russia's help......wait they did not even come into the picture till the END of the WAR! The japs had already kicked thrir AZZES once.LOL
@takirid I beg to differ I'm 6'1" and weigh 195lbs which I believe is ideal for my frame the U.S never was buddies with nazi GERMANY tho as the U.S.S.R was and then hitler CORNHOLED them!
@takirid That is true because churchill was WHINING GIVE US THE TOOL'S! So the majority of MEN & SUPPLIES went to EUROPE FIRST! The U.S.S.R didn't even start in pacifac till 1/3 of the way thru 1945 and that was just to get back what they lost to the jap's in sino-russia war.Their fleet was SUNK!
@takirid They STILL had their AZZES handed to them and the U.S.S.R was afraid of them or they would of TAKEN back the territory they lost.Stalin was NUT's not stupid and jump on board when he KNEW the jap's were finished.Not to mention the B-29's he stole and copied.
RUBBISH!!! What about the squadrons of Spits and Hurricanes the UK supplied to Russia??
The UK only finished paying the Americans back for their war loans about 10 years ago. You really need to get an education and might I suggest you start with history lessons before coming on here and quoting rubbish... Also spelling is 'PAID'....
@takirid 'Did NOT win the war on their own' Except most Americans think they did... This says more about the the quality and state of education in the US of citizens, which for a developed country has an appalling levels of literacy.
But that's probably all part of the plan as it's easier to manage an ingnorant populace.
Does nobody give a shit about the camera-man? Who the hell was he, german news, us news, or a civi, and what the hell was he doing in that city
all4pivot 2 hours ago
this is not war this is murder... they should have stop firing after the tank was disabled and the crew was trying to get out.... instead they fired again and again...
bogdy007 1 day ago
@bogdy007 sorry to break it to you mate, but if it had been the other way round it would have been the same. It is war, and that's how its won.
all4pivot 2 hours ago
What city is this?
tromuniapp 3 days ago
AMERICA GO AROUND THE WORLD TO BOMB IRAQ FOR MASS DESTRUCTION WEAPONS...SPEND BILLIONS IN OFFENSIVE WAR DEVICES AND AT HOME PEOPLE MUST PAY HOSPITAL........................
MrHEILDEMFUHRER1 5 days ago
..AMERICA..
gjbsaxman94 5 days ago
was this footage taken in Cologne? Köln?
doyoublush 6 days ago
einfach mal nicht so mit der kamera wackeln.. gestern wie heute versaut das die besten aufnahmen
Stuntman8998 1 week ago
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RaptureandZune 1 week ago
Imgaine this being YOUR neigbourhood. Imagine the tnakcrew burning in aggony is YOUR family or friends. Imagina all that stuff and learn to live with it. Big respect for those poeple
EpicRandomDude 1 week ago
WAIT YOU CAN SEE THAT DRIVER GOT AWAY....
DJMikaelito 1 week ago
I like this video more than the original one 'cause of its music :) someone was asking the name of the song so it is "Der Krieg Ist Aust from the Downfall movie"
MegaKaiser45 1 week ago
In video info. Panter vs Sherman M4.....is wrong!!
SoulArtSound 2 weeks ago
imagine if you were a allied tank crew.and you see a king tiger or jadgepanther 500 m.infront of you.that must be horrible moment for him.
sahtekar1000 2 weeks ago
@sahtekar1000 not to mention his last moment. we were badly outgunned by the germans during WWII.
wildchild77x 1 week ago
@wildchild77x We can thank the U.S. Tank destroyer doctrine for the Sherman having such an inadequate main gun in WW II. This required the M-4 to be an infantry support tank, which would have no need of a higher velocity gun, even though it could have easily been built with one. The task of engaging enemy tanks was given to Tank destroyers, which came in different types, which had different degrees of success. At any rate, the Sherman was left without adequate gun power.
beardo52 1 week ago
@beardo52 Even though to low velocity 75mm was good enough for PZ I through IV, it had some trouble with the later IV, through VII. This doctrine may have looked good on paper, but fell very short in the real world battle space. So many crews could have been saved, (as well as vehicles had the 76.2mm high velocity gun been used from the beginning. (it had a much longer case, holding loads more propellant. It wasnt bad design, it was bad administration that caused the problem.
beardo52 1 week ago
@sahtekar1000 It is ok if I am riding an IS-3, Centurion or Super Pershing...
RaptureandZune 1 week ago
As you guys can see the M26 Pershing had to fire many shells because of the Panther's armour...while the Panther usually only needed to fire once just like the Tiger...that's 'cause German tanks were the best and even today they are the best...so much for its crew :(
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@MegaKaiser45 Ive read from the gunners (Pershing) report the shells went through the entire tank. And why do you think the crew is escaped after the first hit.. because its burning up.
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@IronJerommeke Yeah but the entire crew didn't survive did they? That's what I wrote what I wrote...and yeah M26 canon was 90mm but that doesn't deal very well with the Tiger's cannon which was 88mm as you know ;)
MegaKaiser45 1 week ago
@MegaKaiser45 The 90 mm gun of the Pershing pentrated with every hit. Each hit was a kill shot in it own right. There was no reason to hurry, so the american commander made certain that the enemy vehicle was made unrecoverable. The American 's had plenty of ammo, silly not to use it. The Panther commander was fortunate that his tank didn't break down just trying to get there. Your enthusiasm is outweighted by the facts.
beardo52 1 week ago
@beardo52 Alright but I'm just trying to say what it really was...and it is that German tanks were best of the best even the M26 had lots of trubles to deal with a single Panther or even worse with a Tiger and what about nowadays? Leopard II tank is better than M1 Abrahams in fact Leopard 2 panzer is the ebst tank in the world ;)
MegaKaiser45 1 week ago
@MegaKaiser45 It takes many factors to determine "best" in the context of tanks of WWII The PZ V,VI,and VII were very interesting concepts, but could not be built to their potential because technology was not able to support the concept. So, if you want to give them the best idea at the time award, I agree they did have a great idea. But ideas do not win wars by themselves. Cheap, fast, and dirty may not be Germanic, but it does win wars, which is what most folks define as best.
beardo52 1 week ago
@beardo52 YEAH! But, admit it, Germany lost 'cause they were a few figthing against too many. Have you watched TANKS on TV? There is said that for each German tank lost there were 12 tanks lost on the enemy so that makes you think..."German tanks were the best" What about Michael Wittmann and his Tigergrüppen? Same case for Otto Carious. Germans were few but hard opponents in all fronts. Quantity may be important but quality too, and if we talk about quality...only Panzer divisions know that!
MegaKaiser45 1 week ago
@MegaKaiser45 The point is that they lost, even though the greater world lost much more. Like i said, The V,VI,and VII were good ideas, but could not have ever been built to their potential. As it was, the Panther was rushed into service before it was ready, and Germany paid for their haste. The Panther was way over weight, so much so that Drivers were trained to never push the driveline too hard, as it wasnt up to the strain. The use of slave labor didn't help either.
beardo52 1 week ago
@beardo52 The Tiger I was better than the others, though it was mechanically suspect, as well as too heavy for many bridges, and soggy ground. Very thirsty too, even when the fuel system didn't leak (which wasn't often. ) The Tiger II was a complete joke, as it was so unreliable most of its losses were due to failures, and lack of fuel. I can't feel bad for them, they deserved everything they got.
beardo52 1 week ago
@beardo52 Too bad that they were too few against too many, thats what happens when a gov't makes foolish decisions, and the people of that land let a syphillitic mad man run their country.
beardo52 1 week ago
@beardo52 Numbers won that war...but I agree with you in some parts like the lack of fuel and it's true. Actually most Panthers, Tigers, Jagdpanthers, King Tigers as well as Jagdtigers were destroyed by their own crews once they were running out of gas and ammo. The built of the M26 was thanks to the capture of a Tiger in North Africa, and that's why the crews of the other great Panzers opted by destroying them befroe allowing them to fall into the enemy's hands ;)
MegaKaiser45 1 week ago
@MegaKaiser45 Fuel supplies were a big problem, but the poor quality in the construction of the Tiger I led to most of its problems, even though it was the better of the 3 later tanks. as things continued to go badly for the reich, quality of all parts of the war effort became worse. For tank production it meant lesser quality in materials, machining,, and testing. this led to even greater performance issues in the later tanks, which led to breakdowns, and abandonment.
beardo52 1 week ago
@beardo52 It did not matter to the allies who destroyed the abandoned vehicles, as long as they were destroyed. The allies made a point of searching out, and completely demolishing abandoned equipment to prevent its recovery, and repair. In the later part of the war, the welding became so poor that seems would open up when a shell would strike near them. Armor was degraded, and did not protect as it should have. The M-26 was built to hold the 90 mm gun already in use by the M-36 T.D.
beardo52 1 week ago
@beardo52 It was not derivative of any German design. It lasted only a short time till it was replaced by the M-46 which corrected some shortcomings in the 26's driveline. Had it not been for the ignorant decision to use the Tank destroyer Doctrine, the Sherman would have had a far better gun, and the Panther, and Tiger would have faired much more poorly against it. Germany stepped into it up to their necks, all the Allies had to do was hold on till the Reich punched itself out.
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MegaKaiser45 1 week ago
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@beardo52 That's what could have happened with allied tanks but it didn't! Most allied tank crews were interviewed one time and they all opted by choosing the Tiger as their current tanks if they would have to drive and use anoter tank in combat again...watch Tiger vs Sherman here in youtube and you'll know it ;)
MegaKaiser45 1 week ago
@MegaKaiser45
/watch?v=FE23GDHpE24
G3Fful 1 week ago
@G3Fful I don't know pal I watched it but I think the Leo's better than T-90, anyway it was only a Math simulation so nothing's been said yet and by the momment even Russian high command thinks Leopard is superior :)
MegaKaiser45 1 week ago
@MegaKaiser45 I recall reading from an article that the M26 in this video took a hit from the Panther first before returning fire... That hit did not penetrate.
RaptureandZune 1 week ago
@RaptureandZune Sure, maybe it was in the frontal armor ;)
MegaKaiser45 1 week ago
@RaptureandZune Must have hit at a very bad angle then, the Panthers 7.5 cm KwK 42 has 175mm penetration at 500m while the Pershing only has 110mm of armor at best.
newhoped 1 week ago 10
@newhoped Well, the frontal armor is around 4 inches (100mm) on the M26, sloped at 46' degree which makes it equal to around 143mm.
RaptureandZune 1 week ago
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@newhoped You can blame the late-war German shell quality, but that round totally bounced off. On the return fire, The 90mm on the Pershing went through both sides of the Panther.
RaptureandZune 1 week ago
@newhoped *****Thumbs Up*****
MegaKaiser45 1 week ago
@newhoped The Pershing got off the first shot, which hit the side armor at quite a perpendicular angle. Interestingly the second shot penetrated the lower mantlet.
savionmarquis1 6 days ago
@newhoped Where do you guys get this stuff? The 90mm gun with M77 shot was 151mm @ 30^; the M82 ammo was 132mm @ 30^ (6mm less then the kwk 75) which penetrated much better at longer ranges the 75mm L/70. Your also quoting AP.40 (APCR) ammo which is subcaliber ammo. That was very rare when the Panther G entered service. If you want to compare tho you need to compare with the 90mm APCR ammo which was 220mm @ 30^ at 500m and a much larger round.
jensfav7 5 days ago
@MegaKaiser45 Actually, seems to me like the Pershing got the Panther with the first hit, and the following 2 shots were intended to completely destroy it. Take a look at this video: watch?v=Jt5bJQOkI1g
danns87 1 week ago
@MegaKaiser45 Sorry but this is entirely incorrect. After the first shot penetrated, the panther was no longer operational. It's hard to judge exactly how damaged it is, but the crew are bailing out, so it's no longer operational. The pershing continued to fire 2 more rounds to ensure it was entirely destroyed. Accounts given by the gunner of the Perhshing, and an overview of the engagement can be found by googling 'Dierk cologne tank duel'
savionmarquis1 6 days ago
@MegaKaiser45 The 90mm on the Pershing was a better gun then the 88 on the Tiger. The Panthers side armor was very thin, only 45mm thick. Those 90mm are easily penetrating the panther. Thing is they where making darn sure they could not return fire simply because a penetrated tank does not mean dead crew... Just FYI the Pershing had similar frontal armor in effectiveness but more side armor by almost 2x's over the panther.
jensfav7 5 days ago
@jensfav7 90cm better than 88mm of the Tiger??? So, then why the Tiger remained as a better tank than M26 and even as a good tank killer even Pershing killer huh??? Tiger tanks were excellent tank destroyers, Pershing was made to deal with the PRIDE OF THE FATHERLAND I mean the Tiger and it was not a good result 'cause as always the Tiger showed the allies how good it was destroying all of their tanks even the M26 ;)
MegaKaiser45 4 days ago
@MegaKaiser45 Yes the 90mm not cm. Its a bigger harder hitting round then the 88. Better range and penetration - thats just fact. It has better post penetration performance also due to a larger burster charge in the warhead. The Tiger was a great tank, not disputing. The Pershing was an answer to the Tiger, but not just that, it was an answer to soviet designs too. The armor design, turret speed and optics of the pershing where infact better then the Tigers. Historically M26 vrs Tiger 1:1
jensfav7 4 days ago
@jensfav7 LMAO XD I put 90cm haha and it's 90mm :P
MegaKaiser45 4 days ago
@MegaKaiser45 they had the thickest armor and best guns but their engines and tracks broke down all the time. That came from a ww2 tanker of the ss that was interviewed in the 1970.
jiggahippo 4 days ago
@MegaKaiser45 The Abrams would fuck them all up.
Goofus5453 4 days ago
@Goofus5453 And the Leopard actually fucks M1 Abrahams, Challenger & T-90 ;) HAHA
MegaKaiser45 4 days ago
@Goofus5453 Great observation a tank with a 120mm gun depleted uranium armor, and thermal optics that is more than 30 years after WW2, opted obser fucking vation.
OMGWTFMUFFINS 4 days ago
@OMGWTFMUFFINS I was talking about German tanks today, ding dong.
Goofus5453 3 days ago
@Goofus5453 Hopefully we will never have to find out, but heed the fact that even the Abrams is upgrading, (most likely already has) to a similar version of the Rheinmetall 120mm smooth bore gun, basically copying it, Americans aren't stupid, they know a good gun when they see one, Germany is the king of the modern battlefield, and they have been throughout the years, bad decision by delusional leaders sealed their fate in WW2, but being so blindly arrogant I find it hard to take you serious.
OMGWTFMUFFINS 2 days ago
@OMGWTFMUFFINS What does it matter where a gun comes from? Don't get me wrong, i'm not putting down the German Army by no means. I don't much about the modern German Army, just the ww2 Army and SS and SS Panzers, they where bad ass motherfuckers! I started reading about U- boats when i was 11 or 12, 30 years ago.
Goofus5453 2 days ago
@MegaKaiser45 Actually if you watch the video the first shell knocked out the Panther,the other two were for good measure.
lander4545 3 days ago
@MegaKaiser45 The first hit destoryed it, you didn't see the crew trying to get out?
Goofus5453 1 day ago
fake and gay
Roxxzor816 2 weeks ago
Music ?
waaasteee 2 weeks ago
@waaasteee I'm not exactly sure which song it is, but I can point you in the right direction. I'm fairly certain It's a movie score song from "The thin red line" composed by Hans Zimmer :)
Rossco139 2 weeks ago
@waaasteee Der Krieg Ist Aust - Downfall Movie :)
MegaKaiser45 2 weeks ago
The russian's used one of their icebreakers to clear a path so the german raider "KORMORAN" could get into the pacific were it sank allied merchant ship's and the australian cruiser SYDNEY.
chilsam 1 month ago
You could be right especially @usterdboy
takirid 1 month ago
this video is really sad :/
TheHandiQuack 1 month ago
Arme Kerle so ein Tod ist grauenhaft
Teufelsblut01 1 month ago
Every fucking video on youtube is something good with the idiot uploader ruining it by putting stupid music over it.
sg777778 1 month ago
At end german kikass usa ,thanks russia by stop nazis
Corvonortino 2 months ago
The most widespread episode WW2.....)))
Vanyaaynav 2 months ago
America came for lootingrun in end when russia allready had won and germany was retreating moron... 1 video where PANTHER is killed by alliedtank... Heres hundreds videos where panther or tiger kills everything, only by bombing allies could effectively takeout panzers... Thats fact and USA in all wars after ww2 jas bombed the enemy with whatever they got hands on, cant win with groundforces only. GERMANY DID! Eat that xD
88Phobos 2 months ago
Russia did the majority of the fighting in Europe against Germany on the eastern front. The real fight for the Americans was with the Japanese.
Treetop64 2 months ago
@Treetop64 Not strictly true. The war in Russia and eastern Germany was won by the Ruskies.
The war in Western Europe was won by the 'Allies' British/American/Canadian and other Commonwealth countries.
beaujeste1 1 month ago
@beaujeste1
You're absolutely right. I only meant to imply that Russia took the brunt of the land fighting against Germany, while the western allies served to give Hitler plenty else to vacillate over in Western Europe, Italy, the Atlantic and Mediterranean, and Africa.
Treetop64 1 month ago
the gunner didnt get out... probably had his legs shattered by the second pershing shot. RIP
TheJBurner 2 months ago
Was this recorded with a cellphone or something? Quality is terrible.
jk :P
randomperson300145 2 months ago
88
nickfazer1 2 months ago
great tanks the panzers!!!!!!
merecondenare 2 months ago
this is just sad
roozbehsadrolashrafi 2 months ago
good. you nazi bastards needed to die.
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy
How were German soldiers Nazis?
Most didn't even have an active membership in the Nazi party, and Hitler did not win by a majority of German voters. Simply by a majority of seats, he actually only got 40% of the votes. So per-say your country men were to partake in a wrong war, like Iraq, and end up killing quite a few civilians. Would you not be offended if they considered all those soldiers to be "Imperialist British Fascist"?
NeutralExistence 2 months ago
@NeutralExistence First off the British were and still are imperialists pigs and AMERICA did not declare war on the axis powers they were the aggressors and Hitler had plans of an invasion of America. America fought a justice war for are survival and turns out the survival of the "undesirables". I give no regrade nor respect for the men that joined the Nazi war machine and killed innocent men and women in a war of their aggression.
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy
While it is true that Germany did declare war first, its well known that the "American" government were just itching to get their country involved in the conflict. They were sending supplies to Britain, and other allied nations, plus they cut off the supply of refined fuel to Japan which were all direct acts of war. Not to mention the U.S. sent a full passenger ship into German waters that it was warned not to go into, and purposely let it be sunk.
NeutralExistence 2 months ago
@NeutralExistence
cont... therefore the war in "America" was started solely based on profit. The U.S. didn't care about Poland, or the Jews, there was a huge majority of people that didn't want the U.S. involved in the war at all. Then they let pearl harbor happen on purpose, (there is much documentation to back this up). Driving the "American" people into war so that the leaders could profit.
They never did it to help anyone, the very opposite actually.
NeutralExistence 2 months ago
@NeutralExistence America stopped trading oil "which is not illegal nor any form of war" to japan as a protest for the aggression towards china. America saw what was going on and tried to stay out of it "the American public believed in isolationism" but at the same time supplied Brittan hoping that it would do enough which turned out not to be and America was dragged into yet another European squabble and every time before.
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy
That is a act of war when you cut off the only refinery that can produce the amount of oil Japan needs, that cut off a giant economic trade agreement, and doing so is almost always an act of war. To Japan who have virtually no natural resources on their Island, that was a huge blow to their entire country. The "American" "elite" knew that the constitution made their war illegal, and by all means tried to invoke the people's anger. It was not about morals.
NeutralExistence 2 months ago
@NeutralExistence it is called trade embargo's idiot. it was American oil and Americans did not want that oil to be used in killing Chinese people. American faought a moral correct war against an aggressive enemy that wanted to kill any Americans it could find. America won and history shows us as the liberators and peace bringers.
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy
Wow some one got their panty's in a bunch. Trade embargo's are acts of war, especially when you are cutting of a country's only supply of something, sure the U.N. doesn't define it as an act of war so they can get away with their economic sanctions that have starved Cuba for years. Sure you can pretend like it was a moral just war if it makes you feel any-better, but the fact stands that "America" only got involved for profit.
History is written by the victor.
NeutralExistence 2 months ago
@NeutralExistence LOL you are in idiot. to brainwashed to actually think for yourself.
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy Ah yes intolerance - when losing an argument/discussion, resort to personal abuse. Yes that's intelligent.
beaujeste1 1 month ago
@usterdboy Russia won the war, with British,Commonwealth and American help.The Americans did win the war on there own.
takirid 2 months ago
@takirid AMERICA payed for the war supplied the allies with everything and they were under AMERICAN leadership. AMERICA WON THE WAR.
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy
This is coming from some one that things "America" payed for the war.
You know there was an entire Eastern front that was without a single "American"?
NeutralExistence 2 months ago
@NeutralExistence American equipment tho and that is a FACT! Go to warrelics eu.com and check out the P-39 aircobra they brought up off the bottom of that lake even had cans of food stored in it labels were in russian but MADE IN THE U.S.A! Also they STOLE our B-29's and copied them!
chilsam 1 month ago
@usterdboy Thats a load crap Amerian winning the war'you make me laugh.You may have supplied the Allies with hardware,that dose not mean they won the war on there own.It was on the EASTERN FRONT WHERE THE WAR WAS WON WITH THE HELP OF THE ALLIES ON THE WESTERN FRONT.THAT WHAT HISTORY SHOWS
takirid 2 months ago
@takirid HISTORY SHOWS AMERICA WON THE WAR IDIOT. see anyone can use caps you aren't special.
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy Name calling now" your problem is that you can't handle the truth boy,or what ever you are.And like I said before, no the USA DID NOT WIN THE WAR ON THERE OWN AND I NEVER SAID I WAS SPECIAL,YOU DID MY FRIEND
takirid 2 months ago
@takirid Ok special little boy. go back and play with you tinker toys and let real men talk.
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy Real men can handle the truth, you can't
takirid 2 months ago
@takirid hell you are a little child so stfu. talk when your balls drop
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy All that matters is that the Allies including the Amerianes won the war its behind us now so let us all move on especially you "Boy".
takirid 2 months ago
@takirid ok Boy. AMERICA won and history shows this anyways the brits are shit and they should be put down once and for all. fuck the limeys
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy You make me laugh,you should calm down I don't want anything to happen to you Boy.Don't hate it will eat you up,All you have to say is that we all won the war together as allies is that so hard.
takirid 2 months ago
@takirid AMERICA WON BITCH
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy HAHAHAAA You still making me laugh.You know what Boy" you come right out of a comic book
takirid 2 months ago
@takirid ok boy. go back and read your comics you little fat nerd
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy Come "on" do you realy believe that the Americans won the war on there own, read your history books ulcerboy
takirid 2 months ago
@takirid If it wasn't for America the war would have been lost. So yes because of America the war was won.
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy No it was a shared victory
takirid 2 months ago
@takirid LOL kid you are very stupid. America made the war winnable and because of America the war was won. you are fucking stupid.
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy Americans went to N.Africa, near end of 1942 to help the 8th Army,then they went on to Sicily & Italy in 1943.This is the first time that the US Army as a whole step on European soil in WW2. Late in 1943 preperation were made for D Day landings in 1944.My question to you "Boy"is that by the time "landings" occured Germany was "Kaput"the Soveits were already in poland and other eastren country's,so no the USA did not win the war on there own it was a joint effort,
takirid 2 months ago
@takirid i will repeat agian for you idiot. If it wasn't for American the war would have been lost.
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy What alot of crap, the war was virtually over before you hit the coast of France read your history book or google it.And I have always maintained it was a joint effort
takirid 2 months ago
@takirid Wow you are a idiot kid
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy I have to say it, you are so Dumb & Thick as a brick and a idiot thats about your level 0.Don't wast my time,Bye.
takirid 2 months ago
@takirid I have to say your grammar,punctuation, and spelling is all shit.
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy Thats Cool boy as long as you got the message. "Bye"
takirid 2 months ago
@takirid ok little kid go drink some of your moms milk.
usterdboy 2 months ago
@usterdboy takirid is right :-)
mamananau 1 month ago
@mamananau you're a idiot
usterdboy 1 month ago
@usterdboy *An Idiot. Nice try, though ;)
mamananau 1 month ago
@mamananau nah you are a idiot. Do you know how English works out moron?
usterdboy 1 month ago
@takirid You sir are WASTE of humanity!
chilsam 1 month ago
@chilsam Another clown who who thinks the Yanks won the war on there own.
takirid 1 month ago
@takirid I NEVER said that,WE might of been able too win it notice I said MIGHT.One thing that I do KNOW is YOU could NOT have won it on your own and were NOT winning. OOO and it's THEIR not THERE you little STAIN! LOL
chilsam 1 month ago
@chilsam I think you got me confused with some one else
takirid 1 month ago
@usterdboy Not necessarily so, Takirid has a point. I'd argue that it might have taken a lot lot longer to win, if it hadn't have been for the US. That's on the basis of the Germans taking appalling losses in in Russia and losing Stalingrad in 1942 and the oil fields.
Once the Russian armaments industry was in full flow (1942 onwards) it could sustain losses at a rate of 10:1.
Plus the US has a habit of only coming into a war once it knows it's on the winning side - as in 1914-1918.
beaujeste1 1 month ago
@beaujeste1 LOL are you high kid? do even know anything about ww2? you understand that the US supplied all of the allies Russia was losing until the United states started precession bombing and opening another front. "Plus the US has a habit of only coming into a war once it knows it's on the winning side - as in 1914-1918." shut the fuck up kid you clearly are a stupid ass.
usterdboy 1 month ago
@usterdboy Listen. Have a free history lesson...
While the US was sitting on it's hands, Britain and Commonwealth countries fought in Europe, won the Battle of Britain, was also fighting in North Africa, Middle East and the Far East in Singapore, Malaya and Indo China.
Britain supplied Russia with fighter aircraft in 1941. It also supplied the destroyers on Arctic convoys. Britain started bombing Germany in 1940 and continued until the end of the war.
Spell 'PRECISION' Oh the irony..
beaujeste1 1 month ago
@usterdboy You really are OWNED.
beaujeste1 1 month ago
@takirid You can't even spell 'Americans'... God help the free world with people like you in it..
beaujeste1 1 month ago
@beaujeste1 Thanks for letting me know, I did not relized I had spelt it wrong. The free world .will never live in peace whether there are people like me or you.Only God can do that.
takirid 1 month ago
@usterdboy You really are a fool - get an education, you muppet.
beaujeste1 1 month ago
@usterdboy 'America won the war' - Really is that the level of education where you come from? American education is in such a bad way.
beaujeste1 1 month ago
@usterdboy
So wrong yet again - you just continue to complete the picture of your own ignorance...
Not sure where you get your version of history from, probably watching too many HBO films.
Next you'll be telling us that the US won in Korea and Vietnam...
beaujeste1 1 month ago
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chilsam 1 month ago
@beaujeste1 the objective in Korea was to protect and uphold the sovereignty of south Korea. Last time i check South Korea is still around with a functioning democracy. "you clearly are a stupid shit head". Also idiot if it wasn't for Americas industrial might and military power Germany would have won the war in europe and would have inventively drop a atomic bomb on Russia. THE KEY PLAYER IN WW2 on the allied side was AMERICA you ignorant piece of shit.
usterdboy 1 month ago
@usterdboy
You really are a typical US fantasist and have to resort to abuse when you can't get your own way.
It's people like you that you give America a bad name. You're a bit like George Bush but without humour, irony and education.
The US is a big country and eventually played it's part in supplying munitions and men. But in 3.5 years, casualty figures of 420k? The UK, 6 years of conflict 460,000 dead and Russia 3.5 years of war = 24 million.
The numbers don't lie, you do.
beaujeste1 1 month ago
@beaujeste1 the numbers have nothing to do with this you stupid fuck. America took the brunt of the war and supplied tons of material to the allies when they themselves could not support themselves. so stfu kid cus you dont understand shit.
usterdboy 1 month ago
@usterdboy
'took the brunt of the war' - you really should go a library, preferably one that has real books in it. Try reading a few, you might even enjoy it. Also go to College or better still a decent University. As well as learning facts (assuming you can learn?) you might even pick a few manners and be able to debate with facts.
I think your abuse, petulance and general lack of knowledge of the true facts, just compounds your public displays of ignorance.
Consider yourself OWNED.
beaujeste1 1 month ago
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Treetop64 1 month ago
@beaujeste1 kid your a fucking idiot. Your whole comment was a failed attempt to insult me. how about you get your head out your ass and learn what something about ww2. You are asswipe.
usterdboy 1 month ago
@usterdboy
Listen, I'm no kid. I've served in the UK armed forces, been to University, I have my own successful business and in my spare time I travel and study history, in particular armed conflict.
I'll cut you some slack on the basis that you were probably the kid at the back with learning difficulties, ADHD, autism and quite obviously tourettes (look it up).
You've picked arguments with everyone on the site over your version of history who say you're wrong.
You're still owned...
beaujeste1 1 month ago
@beaujeste1 LOL ok you 14 year old dip-shit shut the fuck up cus you dont know what the hell you are talking about loser. If it wasn't for America the allies would have lost "everyone knows this idiot".
usterdboy 1 month ago
@usterdboy
Yes you're right from all your comments - everyone on here does 'know this idiot'.
If it hadn't been for Britain and the Commonwealth, Europe would be speaking German.
If it wasn't for America, we'd all be speaking Russian... Maybe.
beaujeste1 1 month ago
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@beaujeste1 If it wasn't for America, we'd all be speaking German and or Russian.
usterdboy 1 month ago
@takirid Ya and we could not of kicked japan's AZZ without russia's help......wait they did not even come into the picture till the END of the WAR! The japs had already kicked thrir AZZES once.LOL
chilsam 1 month ago
@chilsam
Err... I think you'll find that Russia was invaded by the Germans in 1941.
beaujeste1 1 month ago
@beaujeste1 Yea and your point BEING?
chilsam 1 month ago
@chilsam About Germany and russia?
chilsam 1 month ago
@chilsam What you on about clown boy
takirid 1 month ago
@takirid Just pullin your chain you SH#TSTAIN!
chilsam 1 month ago
@chilsam Same to you SH#TSTAIN!
takirid 1 month ago
@takirid EASY EEEAAASSSSYYY there SHTAIN! It'll b all right there LIL FELLA! LOL
chilsam 1 month ago
@chilsam Hey tekeface you are just one fat poaka.
takirid 1 month ago
@takirid I beg to differ I'm 6'1" and weigh 195lbs which I believe is ideal for my frame the U.S never was buddies with nazi GERMANY tho as the U.S.S.R was and then hitler CORNHOLED them!
chilsam 1 month ago
@chilsam I have never said that the US and Nazi Germany were ever buddies, where do you get this info from.
takirid 1 month ago
@takirid I NEVER said you did just stating a fact about the U.S.S.R & GERMANY being butt buddies
chilsam 1 month ago
@chilsam Ok sweet as
takirid 1 month ago
@chilsam Yes the Japs kicked your bums back to the states early in the war. As for the USSR wiped out the Japanese army in Manchuria and N Korea.
takirid 1 month ago
@takirid That is true because churchill was WHINING GIVE US THE TOOL'S! So the majority of MEN & SUPPLIES went to EUROPE FIRST! The U.S.S.R didn't even start in pacifac till 1/3 of the way thru 1945 and that was just to get back what they lost to the jap's in sino-russia war.Their fleet was SUNK!
chilsam 1 month ago
@chilsam 1905 old news we talk'n ww2
takirid 1 month ago
@takirid They STILL had their AZZES handed to them and the U.S.S.R was afraid of them or they would of TAKEN back the territory they lost.Stalin was NUT's not stupid and jump on board when he KNEW the jap's were finished.Not to mention the B-29's he stole and copied.
chilsam 1 month ago
@usterdboy
RUBBISH!!! What about the squadrons of Spits and Hurricanes the UK supplied to Russia??
The UK only finished paying the Americans back for their war loans about 10 years ago. You really need to get an education and might I suggest you start with history lessons before coming on here and quoting rubbish... Also spelling is 'PAID'....
beaujeste1 1 month ago
@takirid 'Did NOT win the war on their own' Except most Americans think they did... This says more about the the quality and state of education in the US of citizens, which for a developed country has an appalling levels of literacy.
But that's probably all part of the plan as it's easier to manage an ingnorant populace.
beaujeste1 1 month ago
@usterdboy
Yet again having to resort to personal abuse, trying to defend an incorrect and incomplete view of history.
Spelling yet again: 'fought'
beaujeste1