TPMtv: Sunday Show Roundup: Talking About Spreading War

[perazh]

Lets ruin Israel. There wont be any problem in that art of the world anymore!

[ikekll]

Former Natl Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski

Where's he from, the last name....

let's see what we can find on this pathetic neocon artist.

[PVTSolis]

He's Polish I believe. National Security Advisor under Carter and a staunch anti-communist.

[Eric21ND]

Whoever takes Bill Kristol seriously at this point??? seriously...that guy is terrible and trys to pretend to be some intellectual pundit.

[mightyshawn]

These people do not understand Iranian society.

[2bn2]

"The main purpose of the CFR".."is promoting the disarmament of US sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all-powerful, one world government" Admiral C Ward CFR founded UN at 'Dumbarton Oaks' with Stalin's Alger Hiss. Goal: NWO CFR: Obama Romney HClinton Giuliani Edwards, Rockefeller Gore Thompson "The CFR controls American media" 5min Terrorstorm 2hr

[ziber22]

"Countless people ... will hate the New World Order... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents" HG Wells CFR: Obama Romney HClinton Giuliani Edwards Rockefeller Gore Thompson "The CFR Controls American Media" 5min Systemic election fraud: ES&S Diebold Chuck Hagel Jeff Dean Terrorstorm 2hr

[patsagainstrats]

It's the view of the Democrats that every country, however unstable, should have a nuclear arsenal. They view nuclear proliferation and the "great equalizer" that will lead to world peace.

[neverlookback75]

Yay, Jimmy Carter! I don't think we should take advice from anyone who pronounces it Nuke-you-ler

[themarvination]

What the hell is Bush waiting for? Congress has authorized General Petraeus to invade Iran, two weeks ago, by designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as terrorists! If Rudy Giuliani were President now, he would have long ago softened up the Iranians with a bombing campaign and General Petraeus would be shackling the Revolutionary Guard for imprisonment,  even as I type this urgent warning!

[nervouss]

Good Video. If the US Attacks Iran it will be a complete disaster and completely stupid on the Administration. The US military force will be pulverized with already stretched forces in Iraq how the hell are they going to fight an much tougher army, let alone justify another attacks with their bogus intelligence.

[chaostherie]

Why doesn't anyone ask "Why don't we talk to IRAN!!!???"

[nervouss]

Because that would make sense and it would prevent a war which would mean, Bush and Cheney won't be able to cash in from all their companies who are profiting off of the war!

People need to recognize this.

[franknyt]

Ohhhh, starting a another war is bad for politics--right now. What a piece of shit. You cant stop a war once its started, bush will start one before the elections, bet on it, its good business for his buddies and the Carlyle Group whos buying a medical group for acute injuries. Sickning.

[holdingcompany]

All this talk of war is madness. Utter madness. nevermind impeaching people. These people should step down for the better of the country and the world.

[holdingcompany]

That's right. Human intelligence is our greatest failing - and that is why none of these Republican fools should be in office - because it seems that they lack any intelligence more than anyone else in the country. Perhaps even in the Western hemisphere.

[GlobalSufi]

Youngmisinfo - Just because the USA is the only "Rogue" nation to use nuclear weapons does not mean that anyone else is that stupid.

According to your twisted logic, you would have had the US bomb the Soviets, the Chinese, the N. Koreans, Pakistan & India - they all have nuclear weapons as well.

Finally, Saddam was only able to do all of what you claim he did because he HAD USA SUPPORT - ESPECIALLY UNDER REAGAN & BUSH Sr.

You need to go back to smoking that All-American Meth, dude.

[anigma007]

happiness is a mushroom cloud.

[upconstruct]

If we let bush/cheney continue to wage war we may end up looking like Germany at the end of WWII with them in bunkers just like hitler.

[dafttool]

There's a lot of bellyaching about Iran & Syria building nuclear weapons. They don't have to build them, when it's a lot easier and cheaper just to buy them on the blackmarket.

[dafttool]

Just as there are changing justifications for pre-emptive action into Iraq, the administration & its minions are trotting out various excuses to go into Iran & Syria. Immediately after we went into Iraq, the Neocons were screaming for us to go on to Syria. Now they are screaming for Iran. The Project for an American Century calls for such emperialistic invasions. The Neocons will invent any reason they can think of to justify their warmongering objectives.

[youngsinfo]

This is a terrorist attacking and you sound like your on there side. You go live there and see how they never do evil. This is not invented and you my dear have been on the wrong end or in a cave in hibernation

Already know where the road side bombs come from and a lot more and that came from Iran.

What you are saying is against real Americans and your not for anyone or about anything.

One more secular progressive anti America really cares about America . Not!

[dafttool]

Younsinfo, do you deny that the administration has been using shifting justifications for invading Iraq, Iran, and Syria?

WMDs. Mushroom cloud smoking guns in America. Despotic tyrants. Regime change. Democracy. IEDs. Weapon transfers. State sponsored support of terrorism/insurgency. etc.

[dafttool]

Don't lump me in with terrorists for stating the obvious. Why do you hate your fellow Americans? Our country was made great by being able to discuss complex ideas. It is being destroyed by this divisive namecalling.

[youngsinfo]

Your not discuss complex ideas . You are speading your neo conspiracy theories as facts. You are not helping on this -and the terrorist laughing at Americans .

Thanks!

[dafttool]

Youngsinfo, the Neocons have clearly laid out their gameplan for the Middle East in the Project for an American Century. And Bush/Cheney have been following it by the book, chapter and verse. I'm not talking about conspiracy theories; I'm talking about the actual gameplans the Neocons themselves have published.

[youngsinfo]

A leading member of the revolutionary Ba'ath Party, which espoused secular pan-Arabism, economic modernization, and socialism, Saddam Murdered his own people and he gassed our troops and attacked Isreal. Then he thumb his nose at the west all along and bit the hand that help him. Iraq had three times the size the arsenal weapons tanks of Hitler .That was more than enough to do something there. It doesn't take a rocket science to know Rogue Nation will use a nuc . Umm- Yeah Right

[dafttool]

"bit the hand that help him"

Yes, we gave Saddam WMDs & chemical weapons to fight Iran, but then he turned them on his own people. Unfortunately, that wasn't why we went INTO Iraq w/Bush 43, & that wasn't why we into UP TO Iraq w/Bush 41. Yet again, more shifting justifications for our actions. "I'm going to hit you before you hit me" doesn't work on a playground any more than it does among civilized nations. If we had done that mindset w/the USSR, we would all be radioactive now.

[GlobalSufi]

Just because the USA is the only "Rogue" nation to use nuclear weapons does not mean that anyone else is that stupid.

According to your twisted logic, you would have had the US bomb the Soviets, the Chinese, the N. Koreans, Pakistan & India - they all have nuclear weapons as well.

Finally, Saddam was only able to do all of what you claim he did because he HAD USA SUPPORT - ESPECIALLY UNDER REAGAN & BUSH Sr.

You need to go back to smoking that All-American Meth, dude.

[youngsinfo]

Globalsufi

Usa is Rogue ! Are you crazy?

Dude don't have children and

do humanity a favor and shut the hell up!

[gnu11111]

Saddam accused the Kurdish rebels of being terrorists, before he attacked them. Kind of a deja vu. On the other hand, you are right, only rogue nations actually used WMDs in the past.

[dafttool]

gnu, White House Press Secretary Perino called the PKK Kurds terrorists at Friday's press conference (obviously trying to appease Turkey). It seems the more things change, the more they stay the same. :-/

[youngsinfo]

Wow- It already happened . Syria bought a nuc from Korea. It was taken out on there airfield and nothing was said on the media.

Iran has been sneaking in road Bombs and every bomb that killed one of our troops is Irans. Iran is not going to get away with it or any other Rogue Nation.

Real Americans will win against any Rogue nation. It is hatred against real Amerians not to. The fascist controlled nation will not succeed. God Bless America

[cpenter]

Kristol- The only thing standing in the way of "success" is Iran. This guy is still on TV?

[desspec]

He definitely seems to be. Although, I predict that by 2014, he will have fully sunk into his coat. At that point, he'll no longer be recognizable except by his muffled allusions to war with Syria.

[Halgrim]

Jimmah wants to give advice on diplomatic relations with Iran? Didn't he try a military solution with them, also? Alzheimers a hell of a drug.

[acseeley]

To Attack Iran without involving Congress would be a grave error. Adding another front to the war would augment the economic woes of late. We would have to borrow some more from China. The world would need not question if Bush was a cowboy, causing more detest for our country in the world. Even the American people would lose, by seeing their President disregard them in entirety. It is a sad day to be an American.

[themarvination]

Congress already authorized an attack on Iran by General Petraeus when it declared 110,000 Iranian Revolutionary Guards as terrorists. General Petraeus, in close consultation with the Vice President, is simply awaiting the corresponding tactical logistic coordination.

[desspec]

That may well be their justification, but if it is, it will be yet another pathetic display of rationalization since those seeking to declare the IRG as terrorists were the ones scoffing at Democrats as being afraid of "labels." No, they're concerned that boot-licking Republicans will again use loop-holes and back-doors to further destabilize the region and ever expand the Presidents powers. As long as the nation remains in a state of war, the neoconservatives will claim power.

[oolong2]

So according to Krystol the best argument for not going to war with Iran is that it will hurt the GOP politically? WTF?!

[AndyCobbonUTube]

Great piece.

New rule: Kristol doesn't get to say what is "serious" or "sophisticated." His warmongering is neither.

[themarvination]

With the full authorization of the US Senate, have designated the 110,000 member of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as terrorists, there can be no better moment than now for 4 star Army General Petraeus, who has the full backing of the American nation, to move from his strategic position in Anbar and invade and capture the terrorists now holding up in their Iranian house of horrors.

[Sinistertino]

why is bill kristol still allowed to talk on tv? ... o wait it's faux noise never mind

[OgoTomO]

On a tangent - Bill Kristol looks exactly like the SS nazi tank commander from the movie Kelly's Heroes.

[PreetSG]

Too bad that it was 2003 and Iran and US have bozzos for Presidents. There was not a better time to nake peace. And what did they do, one wanted to wipe Israel off the map and the other thinks Iran is the Son of Satan.

[nervouss]

Iran never said they wanted to Wipe Israel off the map.  This is on of the Most Misleading phrases that the Westerners are fed in order to justify another war.

[PreetSG]

He definately did. He claims that he did not mean it that way but he sure did say it. Plus his blatant denial of the Holocoust, Ahmenijabad is a madman. Even Khaemini can't control him and is waiting to rid of him. I just hope the next Iranian elected leader is Khatami.

[gug1970]

er, no, he definitely didnt.

[PreetSG]

Secondly, like Zbignew Brezinski said, US and Iran have been plotting to unravel each other for a long time now. But they do share enemies. Taliban and AlQaeda for example. Iran is in Iraq not because they want to get US out of the way, they fear AlQaeda being in-charge there. Taliban is trying to get a foothold in her neighbour Pakistan and at her Waziristan province.

[PreetSG]

Israel bombed the earth out of six factories in Syria that were under construction "nuclear factories" a few weeks ago. They did it when Saddam had it in 1991. Do you think that they would wait for Saddam to be a threat before dealing with him in pre 2003? Same with Iran now. If Iran becomes nuclear, the "most threatened" country is Israel. Do you think the Israelis would have sat back and allow Iran have nuclear weapons?

[nervouss]

Israel has US made nukes, they completely hide them and follow no international laws on their existence. EVEN if Iran is building a NUKE they have the right, Israel has them.

[PreetSG]

Isreal has nukes because the entire region want her dead. Why do you think there was no major war there for so long? Because he neighbours think twice about the consequences before engaging a war with her. So nukes for her till there be peace.

[fiddlerthh]

most of the insurgency comes from SAUDI ARABIA not Iran!!! why no drumbeat for war with the saudis, hmmm?

[maestrogringo]

I'm sure that was a rhetorical question, but Bush and Co. are in bed with the Saudi Royal family, it wouldn't make sense to invade Saudi Arabia. Iran is part of that nasty "Axis of Evil" we have to take care of, remember? ;)

[LayneRoxxx]

It's only going to get worse unless the American people assert their power and elect someone with drastically different foreign policy - i.e. Ron Paul.

All the other candidates, republican and democrat have the same thinking about foreign policy and it's sickening. Something has got them by the balls, and I think it's big money.

[LuminiferousAether]

Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich have the same ideas about foreign policy as Ron Paul.

[classic14rider]

Wow. This is important stuff -- the neo-cons have staked out their next war. Love the way you gathered those clips to get a survey view of the Sunday morning talking heads.

[mo1elftausend]

McCain and those other Republicians are crazy.

[airborne373]

All of this while the Russians saber rattle. But lets ignore them, even though they have real capacities. Don't buy this BS America.

Lindsay Graham is crazy. Enough with children getting their daddy's seat of power. Down with monarchy in the U.S.