No Treason #IV: The Constitution of No Authority (part1)

[deathmarch5]

What lysander spooner fails to understand is trust law and probate law think why do people call the originators of the constitution founding FATHERS. Tell me something if someone creates something can it not be passed down to an heir or an assign? what is a perpetual union? The constitution is not a contract because a contract is something for something. Rather its a trust. Grantor trustee beneficiary relationship. Which is how they converted a public trust into a corporation in 1871.

[edisonoside]

Same thing can be said about the Bible and the State of Israel....

[NewVinland]

I'm glad that Marc Stevens made this, but he is mistaken thinking that this man was an Agorist like himself. He was an individualist yes, but not a capitalist.

[billyjoejimbob75]

I suppose none of the people defending it on here have ever tried to use it in their defense in court just to be told that they weren't a party to the constitution so it doesn't apply to them.

[deathmarch5]

@billyjoejimbob75 the constitution was only for governmnet employees just like the 14th amendment was Most rulings on this subject point to blacks but rather if you read it carefully you will see an oath is included which now creates a joiner to the statement "and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. See an oath is required if one is to leave there natural citizenship. And it just so happens to exist 2 such in the Bounds of these united states,. Sate Citizenship natural

[deathmarch5]

@billyjoejimbob75 And a federal citizenship called US citizen. All oaths are under USC title 8 section 1481. The natural citizenship is the state proof is the birth certificate is a state issued document. If you understand this a cool site to visit is state-citizen (dot) org ran by a fellow named Richard MC Donald. Another case to prove all laws congress creates is solely for government IE administrative laws is Yickwo V Hopkins 118 US 356.

[MrHolipsism]

Thank you for posting this.

[MaikUniversum]

statists react to this book similary like religious people react to "God Delusion" or any other book questioning religion (not necessarily bashing it). The idea of a state is a religious idea, that some people are good enough to rule over other people and decide what's best for those other people without their consent.

[deathmarch5]

@MaikUniversum what like a parent? what ever happened to Jeffersonian idea of self governing. A child cannot self govern to the extent of there parent. No the true force in government should be of that of advice that is it and if an injury occurs then the common law and equity should be brought forth.

[clearly]

Well said Sir, there is NO contract unless it be agreed upon and for a consideration.

[deathmarch5]

@clearly When they applied for a position with in that government freely as public servants then yes the constitution must be applied as a contract much like a trustee is obligated to the beneficiary by authority from the grantor.

[progrockcoffee]

Isn't it "No Treason VI"? I thought that Spooner only published I, II, and VI.

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

Interesting point,

however, once an oath is sworn to uphold said document then it must be upheld. If it is not, then we should assume it will not be. The grey subterfuge is where the problem lies. Lets have a discussion on what the people want... a Police State run Slave society, or a free humanity.

[RationalDischarge]

I have a love/hate relationship with Lysander Spooner. I love him because his writings are so incredibly thought-provoking, morally consistent, and logically irreproachable. But I hate him because he made the idea of "limited government" look absolutely ridiculous to me, and popped my wishful thinking minarchy bubble forever! Now I'm always depressed and miserable, wondering what can be done to peacefully establish a voluntary society, or at least severely undermine today's non-voluntary one.

[DissidentDescendant]

@RationalDischarge There is order in anarchy; Coming together and making decisions voluntarily, when the need arises. Imho.

[MaikUniversum]

@RationalDischarge I think most anarchist people at that time were actually minarchists according to our modern standard, so it is not that bad. Just like many "atheists" in middle ages still believed in some sort of magic or superstition.

[THAWK3]

Good ol' Marc Stevens!!

[jimmythebee103]

i'm not an expert,check out freeman on the land on youtube or net

[BenZeneProject]

I wonder what would happen if I filed a certified, notarized copy of the Declaration of Independence bearing my own signature on it with the secretary of state.

anyone?

[younitehumanity]

People have done this before...I should have an example on file.

[BenZeneProject]

Please send me a link if you have one.  Thanks.

[wind0wninja]

"Posterity" is capitalized in the preamble.

[dabigez357]

so were completely fucked!

[ScalerWave]

Lysander Spooner's "No Treason....the Constitution of No Authority" ...what an eye opener.

[1NWOMD]

I cant believe the kind of bullshit you corrupt bastards come up with to get out of hanging for TREASON!!

The Constitution of the United States IS THE HIGHEST LAW OF OUR LAND!!

The LAW doesn't end because the founders have died anymore than the laws against murder, theft, rape and arson are void. You still will go to prison!

(Except if you're a Blackwater mercenary but your day will come)

[Harpakhrad11]

"The LAW doesn't end because the founders have died"

The LAW was never legit.

"anymore than the laws against murder, theft, rape and arson are void."

Unlike the Constitution, these things are constants of history.

"You still will go to prison!"

For what? Posting a video? Your the NWO scum here.

[missionaryoffaith]

@Harpakhrad11

"Founding Fathers" What the hell is that suppose to mean...? what the hell did they find...?

[comradepinko]

You can't sign a contract for your unborn child stating that they will pay $20 a month for the rest of their life in exchange for a monthly bushel of apples. The person taking part in a contract is the one to consent to a contract. Once the child is older (s)he would be able to freely break the apple contract.

If you agree with this then I don't see how you could disagree with Lysander.

[amagilly]

wrong. natural law is the highest. the point of the constitution was to protect our natural rights. but this experiment has failed. thus, the recommendations, nay, our duty, as laid out in the declaration of independence ought be our guide.

[BG2071]

@1NWOMD what about judges claiming "the constitution is not relevant"?

[hahahaha401]

What good is all this nonsense without real property. The "People" have all of it in alludial title everyone else has deeds and pay real estate taxes.

[Harpakhrad11]

I don't think I follow was you mean by "real" property.

[Harpakhrad11]

Correction: 'what' not 'was'.

[Harpakhrad11]

I am glad to see that this video has reached over 1,000 views, but most of you are not going on to watch the other parts. Please, it only gets better!

[Harpakhrad11]

When I say "perspective" I don't mean "opinion". A perspective has to do with the underlining assumptions one makes when they approach an argument. This is not to say the those perspectives could not be predicated on false assumptions. To say that "The people" are "the government" is a perspective predicated on false assumptions, but it is a perspective nonetheless.

[Harpakhrad11]

Well, I can't correct what is your opinion, but I must disagree. "The people" represents any large number of humans, where as the "government" is in fact an organization. You are correct that the government does represent itself as a legal stand in for the people, but this is only part of the public relations used by this organization.

It's a matter of perspective really. In any case BMK110's would still seem strange:

WE THE GOVERNMENT FOR THE GOVERNMENT (YOU AND I)

[BMK110]

Lets get behind it and vote for our God given Rights as Americans and put the FREE back in FREEDOM.

WE THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE (YOU AND I)

[Harpakhrad11]

Every objection you make is refuted by Spooner in later sections of this essay.

[BMK110]

And for all of you that want change weather it be a fair taxes, rights to your property or whatever the case maybe. Get others on board for your cause, put someone in office, hold them accountable for your cause and if they don't like being accountable put someone else in their place. That's the only way this country can be at it best when the people participate in there government. The government is only as good as the people behind it.

[WorBlux]

And any who would steal your money and mantain a coercive monopoly withour your consent is evil... therfore all government is evil.

[BMK110]

In closing I would like to remind to you all that " we the people" have the rights to change any law at anytime as long as the majority agrees (your vote)on the change and that my friends is the best thing about the Constitution.

[WorBlux]

Sufferage is powerless, with it only being able to be exercised periodically, and containing no guarantee a electee will act as expected.

[BMK110]

I think it's safe to say that the election of the president is the people (you and I) recommitting the contract of the Constitution and its Authority. When the president is elected (by the people) he is sworn in, by oath he states he will up hold the Constitution. I would say that by people voting him in and him swearing in is a renewing of the Constitution by the people of America.

[Harpakhrad11]

Who are "the people"? How do we know that they vote inorder to show support for the Constitution, and not out of a need to protect themselfs?

[WorBlux]

Spooner adresses this objection. Voting at best could only be consider consent for a period on 4 years. And not all people vote.

[thorsmitersaw]

Spooner rocks.. er.. rocked

[comradepinko]

I think the present tense is still appropriate.

If his works are still read and listened to and if they do indeed "rock", then I think it's fair to say that Spooner still rocks.

[Terilien]

woooo spooner!