But at the same time is Family Integration model the proper reaction? Here lies some balance. Some issues are simple and after some time in thinking this lies in the eldership system to youth. This guy has some good ideas.
Last, I'm not sure you understand the difference between eisegesis and exegesis. I simply pointed out the facts regarding youth in scripture. You don't have to agree that my conclusions are correct, but your claim that it is eisegesis to point out how God used young people in Scripture is incorrect.
Second, the Bible does give some examples of setting apart those who are young for the services of God. This was done with Samuel, David, and the disciples. They were all set apart at a young age to serve God. Third, an argument from silence isn't an argument at all. Fourth, the culture was very different in its approach to the young then compared to now.
@lenpettis You are correct about the idea that the Bible doesn't give too many examples of age segregation. You are making a couple of assumptions that don't work. First, you assume that doing youth ministry is reliant upon age segregation. I don't believe it is. Actually I would argue that it is about strategically doing the opposite. In other words youth ministry is often about strategically getting more mature believers involved in the lives of students.
There are no New Testament examples of the church separating children from their parents, thus YM is not biblical. To make claims that God used youth in the bible is fantastic eisegesis but poor exegesis. I don't say this from a place of judgment or legalism, I am a youth leader in my church so I see the problems; unsaved leaders and worldly behavior accepted. As an evangelist on the university I see the fruits of YM in that nearly every student I talk to with YM exposure is a false convert.
YMTheology I would agree but the men back then matured much earlier.
graysonbr 1 month ago
But at the same time is Family Integration model the proper reaction? Here lies some balance. Some issues are simple and after some time in thinking this lies in the eldership system to youth. This guy has some good ideas.
graysonbr 1 month ago
Last, I'm not sure you understand the difference between eisegesis and exegesis. I simply pointed out the facts regarding youth in scripture. You don't have to agree that my conclusions are correct, but your claim that it is eisegesis to point out how God used young people in Scripture is incorrect.
YMTheology 3 months ago
Second, the Bible does give some examples of setting apart those who are young for the services of God. This was done with Samuel, David, and the disciples. They were all set apart at a young age to serve God. Third, an argument from silence isn't an argument at all. Fourth, the culture was very different in its approach to the young then compared to now.
YMTheology 3 months ago
@lenpettis You are correct about the idea that the Bible doesn't give too many examples of age segregation. You are making a couple of assumptions that don't work. First, you assume that doing youth ministry is reliant upon age segregation. I don't believe it is. Actually I would argue that it is about strategically doing the opposite. In other words youth ministry is often about strategically getting more mature believers involved in the lives of students.
YMTheology 3 months ago
There are no New Testament examples of the church separating children from their parents, thus YM is not biblical. To make claims that God used youth in the bible is fantastic eisegesis but poor exegesis. I don't say this from a place of judgment or legalism, I am a youth leader in my church so I see the problems; unsaved leaders and worldly behavior accepted. As an evangelist on the university I see the fruits of YM in that nearly every student I talk to with YM exposure is a false convert.
lenpettis74 3 months ago
Great video! Awesome points!
fordiym 2 years ago