Progressive v Conservative Values? Tony Hale

[hbrookins1]

Another moron

[neuronplatypus]

Wow... though he clearly is doing his best to state what he believes conservatism is ... I would wager that if he grew 50-75 IQ points and started making up for (clearly) a couple of missed decades worth of some insightful "aha!" moments ... he would probably not only be able to describe conservatism but he also would likely describe himself as a conservative.

[Jawbone54]

This guy really, really does not understand conservatism. It's obvious this guy hasn't had many serious, intimate conversations with conservatives. He likely doesn't have any conservative friends.

[EdwinRutsch]

thanks for hte comments.. what would you say are conservative values?

[Mdriver1981]

@EdwinRutsch, in the United States conservative values are best defined by someone conserving the values of the American Revolution. In China a conservative would not be a reactionary/monarchist, but someone that is an ardent communists and is trying to conserve the values of the Chinese Communist Revolution.

[quest8899]

Thats because conservatives in nature are closed minded and racist. They hate gays, minorities, and atheists. They are people filled with hate and anger. Progressives on the other hand are open minded.

[djphatd]

I understand what you're saying quest, I consider myself a "progressive" but I disagree that all conservatives hate gays and minorities. Take California, a largely progressive state...we still voted FOR Proposition 8, which to me is anti-gay. A lot of democrats are homophobic, its not just a partisan issue. I have a lot of family that is conservative, voted for John McCain, and voted Against Prop 8 because they felt it was hateful. Don't assume all conservatives are anti-gay.

[artgoat]

Most of the "Yes on 8" campaign was actually driven by conservative fund-raisers and misleading TV ads using conservative talking points ("gays will take over schools and indoctrinate your children!"). Kudos to your GOP family who didn't swallow the bait. Lots of others did. Few liberals did.

Coastal CA is largely liberal, but the valley and inland empire is VERY conservative. You could drop Bakersfield, Merced or Tulare in west Texas and they would fit right in, ideologically.

[photeryaki]

Where is Buster?

[limteckbeng]

exactly...

[behindtheparadigm]

I consider myself conservative, and this man is describing neo-conservatism to a large degree. Freedom can only be achieved on an individual level, where the individual maintains responsibility for himself. On a social level there will never be freedom or equality, only rhetoric containing the words "freedom" and "equality". Injection of collectives by "conservatives" or "progressives" leads to nothing but enslavement. WE are not free because the govt says WE are. I am free because I say I am.

[EdwinRutsch]

conservative values have failed. Conservatives are now trying to find a fall guy/scapegoat for the failure and the neo conservatives are it. This is the failure of conservativism... 'irresponsibility' not taking responsibility for the failure of your values. find a scapegoat, and give your own failure values a medal.

[artgoat]

There's some truth to that, but I note that some of your interviewees did allow that there were valuable aspects to conservative philosophy. I grew up GOP, before I awoke to reality. At one time, personal responsibility WAS considered a conservative value, the original opposition to entitlements--sadly, as you note, no longer. Now it's about the "other" getting what's "mine." Greed and dogmatism are the hallmarks of conservatism today. If any old-cons are left, they're silent.

[EdwinRutsch]

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