Yep granted, great drive here by Schumi BUT tarnished his so called success by continually being a cheat and being bloody dangerous at it numerous times..Senna had his bad days but Schumi pales into insignificance against Senna as far as being true great in F1..
@darthbandon10 Hill was on wet tyres here...as early as the first rain came, he went on into the pits but Schumacher did not. That was why they ended up next to each other on the road,because Hill was about 16s up the road. Than it dried out, so Hill was in for slicks, but than again a big rain came forcing the SC to come out, with Schumacher just ahead of Hill. What gave Schumacher clean run to victory was Hill´s stop and go for speeding in the pits
@robert140602 Dirty? Cheating? Never, you son of a bi***!!! He´s only the best race driver, the world has ever seen! You stupid idiot would drive a formula 1 race car to pieces even when the engine doesn´t run. So shut up, but-wipe!!
This is the best race of his career. I watched this live and nothing has come close to this. He started 16th on the grid (after the qualifying session). And I recall the commentator asking "what's your view about tomorrow's race?" and in classic Michael Schumacher style, he grinned and said "interesting". Brilliant, brilliant race. They don't do them like that anymore.
@ZamolxisReborn Bear in mind they're being paid to commentate for a UK audience. Can you really see German commentators not being partisan in favour of Schumacher in this situation?
@ZamolxisReborn Benetton was an Italian team which initially participated with British licence. They eventually (I think in 1997, but I may be wrong) changed to an Italian licence, and were from then classified as an Italian team.
Commentators in Germany would be paid to commentate for a German audience, and fans of Schumacher don't care which team he was driving for!
I don't think you will find commentators that are not partisan to drivers of their employer's nationality.
@ZamolxisReborn I didn't say Schumacher was trying to run Hill of the track. At Adelaide in 1994 however, I think Schumacher was responsible for that accident, whether intentional or not.
I agree with what you say about Hill. He was frequently crashing himself out of races. He was a good driver, but not up to the standard of Schumacher. Still, the Hill/Schumacher rivalry between 94 and 96 was thrilling to watch from the public's point of view.
@wks1978 I didn't say it, and YOU didn't say it, but the COMMENTATORS said it for sure.
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what was schumacher supposed to do? just scoot over and let hill by?! how about him just sitting out a few races, so hill would have a chance to catch up like he did in '94 when they dq's schumacher a ridiculous number of times?
@wks1978 this is spa 1995, not '94; schumacher was just defending his line here, and when he finally DID lose it in the wet, on slicks, he let hill by without incident.
regarding the '94 crash, that was a VERY low speed corner, and we don't know how damaged schumacher's car was, if at all.
i think he had every right to try to get back in it, just as hill had every right to try to go past--THAT one was what is generally refereed to as a racing incident.
A driver with dry tyres in wet conditions can't take so much risk to push hard when the track is wet and slippery cause he can fly off the track so easy.On the other hand a driver in wet tyres can push as much as he wants even if it's dry cause he wont crash or get out of the track.In this situation half of the track is wet and Schumacher was so brave that he pushed in the maximum to keep Hill behind who was very comfortable with his tyres,unlike Schumi.That's why he is and will be the best ever
Schumacher was handed a 1 race ban for his defensive driving shown on this video. To me that is unacceptable. He had done absolutely nothing wrong here.
If the Schumacher is so fuc.... good why is now always behind the Rosberg? Just asking... :) Schumacher has win all that races just because they removed Senna from racing - he was in 1994 the only champion in start row. After that all was just make to be Schumacher a champion. Now - when we have other great european drivers in F1 and nobody help him is just one another driver.....somewhere behind.....
@FishySlo Rubbish mate sorry. While MS has had a tough return to F1, don't forget that in 1992 he finished ABOVE Senna in the World Championship in his first year, he took the fourth-best car on the grid in 1996 to second in the constructors with Spanish, Italian and belgian wins, he built Ferrari up the the stunning group they were by 2002... the list could go on. Sure he's been a bit off at times in the last two years, but form is temp, class is permanent.
@FishySlo Because Rosberg is 25 and Schumacher is 42? I don't particularly like him but anyone saying he's not been a brilliant driver while watching a video where he came from 16th (while his team mate in an identical car dropped from 1st to finish 7th) to win is a bit ignorant.
Senna respected Schumacher quite a lot.Senna and Schumacher both respected each other.
On occasion Senna was asked for the future of Formula 1, and he said: "Do you want to know about the future? That is the future of Formula 1 (he said pointing at Schumacher)".!!!!
Less animosity, please. I know a lot of people share my opinion and frankly I have better things to do than argue here, enjoy Schumi floundering around in his merc this season, gluck.
Each driver has his fans,i'm brazilian but i haven't seen Senna races.I've seen the best part of schumi's career and i'm a big fan.Alonso is a great driver at all but he has 2 titles because of tire rules,Michelan was way better tha bridgstones!Thats it.
Driving with dry tyres on a wet track? That was insane!!! Hill was sliding around the curves even with wet tyres and Schumacher was so smooth through them. Schumacher is great :].
Great! but in 1996 Schumi did magic! with slicks....he just ran away from the field. Increasing seconds /every lap in the wet! I remember the only 2 cars he didnt lap twice! Hill and some other
Thanks for posting this, damn this is a long time ago now = ) I've personally always been a Williams fan with guys like Mansell, Hill and even a lil of the Villeneuve's besides this i've always liked Senna where people like to point out was just as a ruthless of a driver as Schumacher. Schumacher while yes very impressive in this video is a good driver who will go as far as he will need to. Senna went as far as he and his machine brought him and lived on that edge with a flair and style.
In Sennas 11 years....he had 16 collisions with other drivers! btw, in that 11 year reign he only managed to win 3 titles in the dominant mclaren-team.;) Senna-overrated
@hlidskjalf666 altho i havent factchecked your statement im willing to believe that. Senna as i stated before to me is an icon, not because of howmany races or championtitles he won. He raced in an era where the F1 car was so much more powerful and unrestrained than the current day cars are, besides this in my oppinion was Senna racing in one of the greatest group of drivers in F1 history, the races he won were won from guys like Prost, Piquet, Mansell, Hill being truly impressive.
@hlidskjalf666 When he managed to shine and excell within that crew of drivers says all the more about his own skill. As you state he had 16 collisions, of which nearly all if not all are true accidents, the price of living on the edge as drivers had to back then to compete. Schumacher is a very good driver but i have no respect whatsoever for him as a person. His choices and actions in '94 with Mansell and '97 with Villeneuve where he consciously chooses to ram these drivers are dispicable.
@dutchdude1985 Well he is a loving father and husband, he has done something good in his life! As well as being a great guy. His driving tactics are not to everyone's taste but the man himself in a great chap.
@RedStarDon Fair enough m8, i suppose 'dispicable' is an overstatement on my part. Im merely trying to put to words why Schumacher never moved me as Senna or Mansell did. My first post already stated Schumi is by all means a very good driver, and i hold no claims to know what he's like irl.
Its quite strange that one driver was in 16 collisions,were all others werent.
Well whats the price of Michaels reign? Schumacher has been on the very top in nearly 16 years....Senna not even 11. His action in 1994 was a race-accident according to FIA.
Senna rammed Prost quite hard...1989 for instance. 200 kph the telematri proved!
this is very impressive like spain 96, we cant compare schumacher to senna as there different time periods but take a look at his record.
and before someone says it was the car yes correct but when schumacher went to ferrari they cudnt finnish a race without mechanical failures never mind winning one, most drivers today turnn up and race but schumacher made that team his own so why should any other driver come to ferrari and be treaten the same why back a useless driver to win? when u have msc
@jclafi LOL Schumacher was way better because he held off Hill (who was on wet tyres) for over a lap when he was on dry tyres. And Schumacher still won this race - from 16th on the grid.
@flipsidedogchop What I do know, is that Schumacher had world class opposition which included Hakkinen, Alonso and Raikkonen during his 15 year spell at the top of the sport. What I also know is that it's painfully obvious that you have nothing to back up your original comment. As a result you use the fact that I am a student as an attempt at a very weak insult. You need to calm down and stop swearing, then people might take you seriously.
@ohargreaves Schumacher had the richest team in F1 revolving 100% around him..... He never had a team mate allowed to challenge him EVER.... He had the best tactician in Ross Brawn and designer Rory Byrne building cars around him alone....He also had the Sauber-Ferrari's holding up his few rivals!
If he raced in the 70's he woulda been DEAD before he won 1 title!
@flipsidedogchop Schumacher wouldn't have acheived 91 wins or 7 titles without being something special. The cars do not drive themselves as much as you would like to believe they do. If having a rich team was most of what matters, then the drivers of Honda and Toyota would have been world champions, but no, none of their drivers had MSCs ability to mould a team around himself to turn it from a midfield car (in 1996) to an unbeatable force. Only Alonso comes close in this regard.
@flipsidedogchop And as I already mentioned, Schumacher obviously did have world class competition like Hakkinen, Hill, Alonso, Raikkonen, Mintoya, etc, but if you got the impression that he didn't then that's probably because Schumacher made them look poor.
@ohargreaves thinking that senna, prost, mansell & piquet were finishing their careers just as MS started his might have helped him. Then people like david coulthard became his rivals!
@flipsidedogchop Perhaps, but there isn't any evidence that Schumacher at his prime wasn't capable of taking on anybody and beating them, which is all any F1 driver can do. And despite being a good driver, Coulthard wasn't one of Schuey's better rivals.
@ohargreaves i didnt say he was incapable of anything. At the end of the day he was great in F1, but to say he is the best driver ever because of statistics is narrow minded
@flipsidedogchop I never said that stats alone make him the best ever. As you acknowledge, there are other good arguments for Schumacher, or others like Clark, Senna or Fangio to be considered the best.
1. In 1992, when Nigel Mansell was thrashing the hell out of everyone, Michael beat him by 30 odd seconds in the rain in Belgium. Senna was racing too
2. Senna's Championship wins came in the already dominant McLaren Honda at that time
3. when Schumacher came to Ferrari it had not won a championship for 17 years (Jody Scheckter in 1979). During those years the Ferrari was driven by some guys named, Prost, Mansell and G. Villeneuve
1. Yea i remember Nigel having a misfire in that race
2. Thats true and i never said otherwise
3 When schumacher went to Ferrari they also got Ross Brawn & Rory Byrne who had worked with MS for years..... FIAT invested alot more money to win and as the car became better, Irvine nearly delivered it first!
@flipsidedogchop Irvine was only a title contender in 1999 because Schumacher broke his leg at Silverstone. MS was beating him up until that point (having beaten him in the previous years, too).
FIAT didn't necessarily invest so much more in MS's success than they did in all those years of failure beforehand, so bringing that up is almost pointless. MS, Brawn and Byrne were all key components in making Ferrari the best team of the early 2000s.
@flipsidedogchop I'm aware of that, but you know that 0 pts wasn't representative of his performance. Either way, Irvine was significantly outdriven across those 4 years.
@flipsidedogchop If 0 points was representative of his performance, then he wouldn't have won 5 races, including yet another wet weather masterclass at Spa. Not to mention the wet Monaco domination.
@flipsidedogchop Irvine didn't do anything to beat Michael. He was slower all season long. You can bang on about this all you want, but it's a pretty desperate tactic for you to claim that Irvine beat MSC in any season other than 1999 (where we know that MSC should have beaten him if not for injury). Based on driver performance, Schumacher scored 78, Irivne 24. Only a useless ruling took away MSCs points.
And sort out your caps lock button. It's as inconsistent as Irvine in 1997.
@flipsidedogchop They did technically get DQed, but Mclaren's drivers were still superior to say, Massa. Similarly, Schumacher was superior to Irvine in 1997, which is clear to anyone with eyes who watched the season.
@flipsidedogchop MAN, FUCK YOU! FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK YOU! YOU SON OF A FUCKED UP, FUCKED UP BITCH! SCHUMACHER IS THE BEST! I HATE FUCKING BITCHES LIKE YOU! HE ISN'T A CHEATER, HILL WAS A DRUNK DRIVING BASTARD! AND NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOU SAYING ABOUT THE 0 PTS! ON HS STATS IT STILL SAYS ALL HIS WINS AND PODIUMS AND POINTS. SO SUCK ON IT!
@flipsidedogchop you are a bitch and you can't fucking argue that he is not the greatest. what shit did Hill do? 1995 all their collisions were his fault, retarted bitch!
Sir Jack Brabham: 3 time world champion, only man to win a title in a car of his own design.
Alan Jones: Arguably the catalyst through which Williams started their run of success, winning their first title.
Grand Prix: Australia has held non championship Grands Prix from 1929 to 1968, you may also want to look up the Tasman Series. For championship races, the Australian Grand Prix has been part of the championship since 1985.
@Thesenamic Lets got one thing clear... English engineering was responsible for Jones winning the 1980 title!
Yes jack brabham was a great driver but at the moment....The only thing australia has to do with f1 is mark webber, who made his name by moving to england... and and englishman designed his fantastic car!
@flipsidedogchop 2 words. The first is sponsorship. Why would he try and make a career in open wheelers work from Australia? It doesn't make any sense at all.
The second is selectiveness. You choose to point out that Jones won in the Williams penned by Patrick Head at the Imperial College of London (if I am not mistaken) but only give 11 words on Brabham. And Newey is a genius, I agree. I simply find it foolish that you imply Australia has had no involvement in F1 and then when it is shown(cont)
@Thesenamic (cont) that they have you claim that it is irrelevant. Using your logic, Webber's success may not be due to Newey, a Brit, but to the Renault engines, which are French/Japanese (merger with Nissan). Similarly, it is like saying that Schumacher's titles with Ferrari are the result of Byrne, a South African designer, Schumacher, a German driver, Irvine/Barrichello, an Irish and Brazilian respectively, Brawn, a Brit, or Badoer/Ferrari, Italians. You see the problem here (cont again)
@flipsidedogchop Layabout? It is 18:54 here, I just finished a nice dinner and sat down to see if you had replied. Assuming you are in the UTC timezone, it is just about 11am... So who are you to talk about being a layabout?
Your arguments hold no water when scrutinised even casually, and I do not understand why you continue on your current argument. If we really want to talk about heritage, the French have given us Grand Prix, so I suggest you start praising them over your motherland.
@flipsidedogchop Considering that you started this quite a while back I find it laughable that you think that we are "whinging our nuts off". You seem stressed, why is that?
I'm fine for a missus mate, so right back at you.
"arguement [sic] is about nothing"? You made a laughable claim. We pointed this out, only for you to become enraged at us. I'm fine with a different opinion, but not with attempts to claim it as fact. Look up Burden of Proof.
@hlidskjalf666 one could counter-argue that for 80% of his carrer, Schumi had an utterly dominat car, obediant team mates and an entire team structure that was catered for him. IMO 1995, 2000 and 2003 were his only real titles, the ones he had to fight for, the rest, particulary 2001, 2002 and 2004 were just showcases in piss taking that killed the sport through incessent predictability and ferrari dominance. I don't mind who wins as long as its a good fight
80% ? haha I belive there is no particular maths/brain backing that up!
1. dominant car? when Michael at last get into a reliable car he also finished all races on the podium! 2004. You cant for real say that his early years fighting in underdogs like Benetton,Jordan was "dominat cars"?
2. Why did ferrari hire him? Why did everyone want him back in 1994,1995 already when he was quite a rookie. because he was splendid fast.
Why would a team discourage all of michaels team-mates do you mean?
I belive they want to win...Why fucking up their chances and only rely on 1 driver? xD
Fact is. NO ONE was as splendid fast as michael.
Everybody seemed slow and poor for almost a decade. thats quite hard to understand but dont shout here about some complete pathethic conspiracy theories instead!
@hlidskjalf666 this hasnt changed my opinion sorry, recently eddie irvine said that in suzuka 1999 his car was "mysteriously" 2 seconds off the pace of schumachers...yeah michael did beat his team mates, but in time this became a naturalised phenomenon and barrichello was never really givien the same attention. just look at schumi now tho, thinking of throwing in the towel, and brundle said on sunday that he has poor race craft cos most of his career he was in domiant cars with no need to fight
I never thought of change the opinion of a complete fool.
Dont got your point, DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT FERRARI BY PURPOSE MESSED-UP the OPPONENTS car? Because in your world it would mean that every single Formula-1 car than Michaels were slow and fucked-up for his almost 16 years REIGN ....
watch the BBC-documentary. Everybode with common sense at all knew that Michael Schumacher was the faster driver around. 16 years at the very top of Formula 1.
@hlidskjalf666 Manseel was well ahead of Schumi before Mansells radiator blew and Senna made the mistake of staying out on too long on old tires. When Schumi moved to Ferrari he brought most of the benetton team to Ferrari, so Ferrari were not quite the same team. The ferraris during the late 80s/early90s were extremely unreliable.
xD Yea, and "IF" michaels´ferrari didnt have brake-failure he would be the champion 1999.
I´m point out the fact that Schumacher acctually out-raced the old "greats" several times! Not just once.
remember Michael was a new-rookie in inferior-team while winning against mansell,senna,prost, etc.
Yes, thanks for clearing out another anti-ms-myth. The fact that he was a key character turning the Ferrari team around! Why did Michael win barcelona 1996? the car? xD
@hlidskjalf666 The Beneton B191,192,193,194 and 195 were great cars. The B192 easily rivaled the Mclarens in 1992. I'd argue that this year and last year is the first time Schumi has been in a bad car. I Do recognise Schumi is one of the greats but he is not as good as Senna or Prost in bad cars. The Bemetton B194 was easily better than the Wiliams FW15. Even Demaon Hill said the handling on the FW15 wasn't as good.
* Michael´s first Race was in a Jordan car, on the Spa circuit he never driven before.
He qualified 7th and was faster than his teammate.1991
* The great superior teams were Mclaren-Honda,Williams. Still Michael fought hard in a inferior Benetton in the early 90-is. All F-1 experts know´s that.
Why did every team want him back in the 93-95 then?....
try use that tiny brain of yours before speak! Michael was a young-star-driver who turned a whole team around.
You call that bullshit? cause last time i checked@ Formula1/results official site and Wikipedia i am right! xD And you´re all wrong pathetic scumbag. S T F U
@hlidskjalf666 schumacher was starting his career just as Senna, Prost, Mansell & Piquet were finishing theirs....then people like david coulthard were his rivals!
Second, thats incorrect because Michael raced as a rookie back in 1991. In belgium 1992 he outraced both Mansell ,and Senna. No-one was as quick! Thats why Schumacher dominated at the top for almost 16 years, made Formula-1 a bit boring. period.
@hlidskjalf666 yeah man senna is so over hyped we all know the pro r just being polite to say senna was the greatest ron dennis and all teams now schumi in his prime wud destory senna by a mile
@hlidskjalf666 : that is not 100% true...Schumie lost to both Alonso and Hakkinen during his 16 years...
granted Hakkinen was before Ferrari was dominating and Alonso was the only driver to beat schumie in his prime.
Schumie is class, there is no way around that. It does not matter that his comeback was not as great as we all expected. He has done more as driver in his life, then any other driver before him. so if his comeback did does not work. I will still remember him for what he achieved.
honestly alonso won by luck since michael had to retire during the suzuka race in 2006 because of mechanical failure. not saying alonso is bad racing driver, just that he didn't actually win because he was better. luck plays an important role in everything. Still for me the best is still hamilton :)
@dinodam Not really, 2005 the Ferrari wasn't competative at all because of the Bridgestone tyres. 2006 the Ferrari became competative in mid-season.
1998 McLaren had a major improvement over Ferrari because of some great inventions. But Schumacher was 1998 competative with the Ferrari. 1999 the Ferrari and Mclaren were eaqual, 2000 the same. The Ferrari-Dominance started 2001-2002 and 2004. 2003 the Championship was not so dominant.
@dinodam He would've been beaten by Raikkonen aswell but unfortunately the car let him down on a few occasions when it mattered, and he finished just 2 points behind Schumacher in 2003. Also given the chance, even Rubens could've taken a championship at Ferrari. Just a shame team orders play such a big role at Ferrari.
@dinodam Alonso beat him because in 2005, the new regulations destroyed the ferrari. It was 1996 all over again and he, along with his team, were required to redevelop the car. And in 2006, the engine blowout (12pts) and the puncture (+x pts) caused schumacher to lose it.
And in the end, Schumacher still won this grand prix^^
trash1000 1 week ago
My god how beautiful cars!
xxWhyIsTheRumGonexx 2 weeks ago
What a crazy freak that Papis was!
tubehows4life 1 month ago
yeah, snowflakes in spa =)
Lyricoholic 1 month ago
Yep granted, great drive here by Schumi BUT tarnished his so called success by continually being a cheat and being bloody dangerous at it numerous times..Senna had his bad days but Schumi pales into insignificance against Senna as far as being true great in F1..
Dukey39 1 month ago
schumacher was mega on the drys in the wet in the race. love him or hate him.
gerry6420 1 month ago
shitmacher cheating again .. and punished again .. he will never learn, what a twat..
shitmacher 1 month ago
God those cars looked good
carsismeZ06 2 months ago
Isn't Hill on intermediates here?
radu0gheorghe 3 months ago
@radu0gheorghe Not sure, but he pitted again for slicks which gave Schumacher a clear run to victory (the track dried out).
darthbandon10 2 months ago
@darthbandon10 Hill was on wet tyres here...as early as the first rain came, he went on into the pits but Schumacher did not. That was why they ended up next to each other on the road,because Hill was about 16s up the road. Than it dried out, so Hill was in for slicks, but than again a big rain came forcing the SC to come out, with Schumacher just ahead of Hill. What gave Schumacher clean run to victory was Hill´s stop and go for speeding in the pits
AlejjSi 2 months ago
@AlejjSi That too, but Williams' strategy was poor in general that year.
darthbandon10 2 months ago
"Max Papis.....You're mad!" - Love it!
wks1978 3 months ago
best race of 1995 hill and schumacher both great drivers
dermot14 3 months ago
pure skill vs poor Hill ;)
Morthelion 3 months ago
Incredible!!! :)
Aleksej79ns 3 months ago
Dirty,cheating,Kraut cunt.
End of message.
robert140602 4 months ago
@robert140602 Dirty? Cheating? Never, you son of a bi***!!! He´s only the best race driver, the world has ever seen! You stupid idiot would drive a formula 1 race car to pieces even when the engine doesn´t run. So shut up, but-wipe!!
RiderOnRing 4 months ago
@RiderOnRing It must be so bad,being a cock sucker like yourself?
Never mind,Vettel might provide another cock to suck?
Lmao.
Schumacher still has time to kill another driver,with his dirty antics.
robert140602 4 months ago
@robert140602 i don´t know how it might be, being such a cock sucker. But maybe you can tell, i thnink you know it very very well! ;-)
RiderOnRing 4 months ago
Ayrton Senna needed wet tires to be good in the rain...not Schumacher.
dks11000 5 months ago
Yes, that's an unforgetable race in Michael's carrer, and nothing was like it, maybe the Brasil GP in 2006, wich made me the same reaction......
Sorry 4 my english....
bosshunterman 5 months ago
Another thing, what are those commentator idiots talking? "My car was sliding I couldn't control it you have to understand that"
If he hadn't had enough grip he wouldn't have been able to stay in front -.-
trash1000 5 months ago
What a fight, amazing to see how he keeps on track with those slicks while Hill was pushing behind him on wet tyres!
Cars were off track all the way...
trash1000 5 months ago
This is the best race of his career. I watched this live and nothing has come close to this. He started 16th on the grid (after the qualifying session). And I recall the commentator asking "what's your view about tomorrow's race?" and in classic Michael Schumacher style, he grinned and said "interesting". Brilliant, brilliant race. They don't do them like that anymore.
Atentico 5 months ago
This is the best race of his career. I watched this live and nothing has come close to this.
Atentico 5 months ago
could the british commentators BE any more partisan?! ass holes...
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schumi won anyway...suck it.
ZamolxisReborn 5 months ago
@ZamolxisReborn Bear in mind they're being paid to commentate for a UK audience. Can you really see German commentators not being partisan in favour of Schumacher in this situation?
wks1978 3 months ago
@wks1978 Benetton's was british, too, as far as i know.
and the williams had a renault engine, so it's not exactly the queen's car. :)
ZamolxisReborn 3 months ago
@ZamolxisReborn Benetton was an Italian team which initially participated with British licence. They eventually (I think in 1997, but I may be wrong) changed to an Italian licence, and were from then classified as an Italian team.
Commentators in Germany would be paid to commentate for a German audience, and fans of Schumacher don't care which team he was driving for!
I don't think you will find commentators that are not partisan to drivers of their employer's nationality.
wks1978 3 months ago
@wks1978 when they say schumacher's trying to run hill of the track, that's complete nonsense.
hill can run himself off the track just fine in the wet. :)
ZamolxisReborn 3 months ago
@ZamolxisReborn I didn't say Schumacher was trying to run Hill of the track. At Adelaide in 1994 however, I think Schumacher was responsible for that accident, whether intentional or not.
I agree with what you say about Hill. He was frequently crashing himself out of races. He was a good driver, but not up to the standard of Schumacher. Still, the Hill/Schumacher rivalry between 94 and 96 was thrilling to watch from the public's point of view.
wks1978 3 months ago
@wks1978 I didn't say it, and YOU didn't say it, but the COMMENTATORS said it for sure.
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what was schumacher supposed to do? just scoot over and let hill by?! how about him just sitting out a few races, so hill would have a chance to catch up like he did in '94 when they dq's schumacher a ridiculous number of times?
ZamolxisReborn 3 months ago
@ZamolxisReborn I didn't say he took Hill out intentionally as you originally implied.
He had just crashed off the track, therefore his car was potentially damaged and his speed was greatly reduced.
With Hill coming behind at full speed Schumacher behaved rashly by pulling back onto the racing line having lost so much speed.
He was undoubtedly going to collide with Hill as a result.
Did he crash Hill out intentionally? Maybe not - it may have been a rash act of desperation.
wks1978 3 months ago
@wks1978 this is spa 1995, not '94; schumacher was just defending his line here, and when he finally DID lose it in the wet, on slicks, he let hill by without incident.
regarding the '94 crash, that was a VERY low speed corner, and we don't know how damaged schumacher's car was, if at all.
i think he had every right to try to get back in it, just as hill had every right to try to go past--THAT one was what is generally refereed to as a racing incident.
ZamolxisReborn 3 months ago
One of Michael's best drives by far - Not forgetting he started 16th on the grid and won!
anthonychalloner 6 months ago 2
racing in a formula 1 race my this was a long time ago wasn't it.....
offitcock 6 months ago
A driver with dry tyres in wet conditions can't take so much risk to push hard when the track is wet and slippery cause he can fly off the track so easy.On the other hand a driver in wet tyres can push as much as he wants even if it's dry cause he wont crash or get out of the track.In this situation half of the track is wet and Schumacher was so brave that he pushed in the maximum to keep Hill behind who was very comfortable with his tyres,unlike Schumi.That's why he is and will be the best ever
blerand91 6 months ago 2
This is racing. The old days!
These days F1 is... well its just as good actually, its fantastic.
nickJod1234 6 months ago 2
SCHUMACHER ON SLICKS !!!!!!!!! HILL ON RAIN TYRES!!!!!
MultiGianni1976 7 months ago 3
That was ace never seen that b4
robvts 7 months ago
Schumacher was handed a 1 race ban for his defensive driving shown on this video. To me that is unacceptable. He had done absolutely nothing wrong here.
kecske32 7 months ago 14
@kecske32 Banging wheels at high speed, weaving around isn't dangerous?
darthbandon10 2 months ago
@kecske32 it was one race suspended ban :)
praveenaugustus 1 month ago
I was there that day !!!!!! :)
kstyle1986 7 months ago
one of the best gp ever for one of the best driver ever! This was f1!!
artal85 7 months ago
If the Schumacher is so fuc.... good why is now always behind the Rosberg? Just asking... :) Schumacher has win all that races just because they removed Senna from racing - he was in 1994 the only champion in start row. After that all was just make to be Schumacher a champion. Now - when we have other great european drivers in F1 and nobody help him is just one another driver.....somewhere behind.....
FishySlo 7 months ago
@FishySlo Rubbish mate sorry. While MS has had a tough return to F1, don't forget that in 1992 he finished ABOVE Senna in the World Championship in his first year, he took the fourth-best car on the grid in 1996 to second in the constructors with Spanish, Italian and belgian wins, he built Ferrari up the the stunning group they were by 2002... the list could go on. Sure he's been a bit off at times in the last two years, but form is temp, class is permanent.
RedStarDon 7 months ago
@FishySlo Because Rosberg is 25 and Schumacher is 42? I don't particularly like him but anyone saying he's not been a brilliant driver while watching a video where he came from 16th (while his team mate in an identical car dropped from 1st to finish 7th) to win is a bit ignorant.
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@FishySlo
Senna respected Schumacher quite a lot.Senna and Schumacher both respected each other.
On occasion Senna was asked for the future of Formula 1, and he said: "Do you want to know about the future? That is the future of Formula 1 (he said pointing at Schumacher)".!!!!
MultiGianni1976 7 months ago
@FishySlo that is like saying why is Michael Jordan was not so good when he came back from retirement?
Do oyu really think that reflexes are the same at 23 or 40?
celpabedn 7 months ago 2
bu yarışı bizim okay karacan sunca bağırmaktan dolayı hastaneye kaldırırlardı herhalde adamı yarış sonunda..:)
spooky78 8 months ago
Less animosity, please. I know a lot of people share my opinion and frankly I have better things to do than argue here, enjoy Schumi floundering around in his merc this season, gluck.
JontieDesario 8 months ago
Rosberg is better than schumacher ahahahah !!!!!!!!!1
pasqualino1973 9 months ago
I am not a Schumy fan but...this is an awesome piece of defensive driving!!!
MrCharger27 9 months ago
Each driver has his fans,i'm brazilian but i haven't seen Senna races.I've seen the best part of schumi's career and i'm a big fan.Alonso is a great driver at all but he has 2 titles because of tire rules,Michelan was way better tha bridgstones!Thats it.
Senna was rain master,we have to admit
Arthurzeiro 9 months ago
it may be impressive but schumacher is still a massive cheater. he cost hill a championship title
blainyrules 9 months ago
@blainyrules Hill lost the title because he only won 3 races against Schumacher. He lost despite competing against someone who was DQed for 4 races.
ohargreaves 9 months ago
Schumi bração...hahahahh.
danilosdmp 9 months ago
you can only achieve 7 titles by cheating
waskoma 9 months ago
Cheater? Thats racing!
Euterbutter 10 months ago 28
Driving with dry tyres on a wet track? That was insane!!! Hill was sliding around the curves even with wet tyres and Schumacher was so smooth through them. Schumacher is great :].
ale03000 10 months ago 3
Balls vs diaper!
ramsesresonator 10 months ago
What he did here... Nobody would have been able to do it...
giugiu13 10 months ago
'94 Damon Hill, not Mansell my mistake.
dutchdude1985 10 months ago
Great! but in 1996 Schumi did magic! with slicks....he just ran away from the field. Increasing seconds /every lap in the wet! I remember the only 2 cars he didnt lap twice! Hill and some other
hlidskjalf666 10 months ago
dirty dangerous driving from MS
swerving all over the road, just like hungary 2010!
flipsidedogchop 10 months ago
@flipsidedogchop 4:10 wasn't cheating you idiot. Schumacher had slick tyres he had less grip! obviously it meant he would understeer a lot!
Beechaii2 10 months ago
@Beechaii2 he got a 1 race ban suspended, you retard!
clearly you'd make a shit steward!
flipsidedogchop 10 months ago
And personally as a lil boy Nanini was my lil hero, still have pictures from him in the pits back in the day.
dutchdude1985 10 months ago
Thanks for posting this, damn this is a long time ago now = ) I've personally always been a Williams fan with guys like Mansell, Hill and even a lil of the Villeneuve's besides this i've always liked Senna where people like to point out was just as a ruthless of a driver as Schumacher. Schumacher while yes very impressive in this video is a good driver who will go as far as he will need to. Senna went as far as he and his machine brought him and lived on that edge with a flair and style.
dutchdude1985 10 months ago 2
@dutchdude1985
In Sennas 11 years....he had 16 collisions with other drivers! btw, in that 11 year reign he only managed to win 3 titles in the dominant mclaren-team.;) Senna-overrated
hlidskjalf666 10 months ago
@hlidskjalf666 altho i havent factchecked your statement im willing to believe that. Senna as i stated before to me is an icon, not because of howmany races or championtitles he won. He raced in an era where the F1 car was so much more powerful and unrestrained than the current day cars are, besides this in my oppinion was Senna racing in one of the greatest group of drivers in F1 history, the races he won were won from guys like Prost, Piquet, Mansell, Hill being truly impressive.
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dutchdude1985 10 months ago
@hlidskjalf666 When he managed to shine and excell within that crew of drivers says all the more about his own skill. As you state he had 16 collisions, of which nearly all if not all are true accidents, the price of living on the edge as drivers had to back then to compete. Schumacher is a very good driver but i have no respect whatsoever for him as a person. His choices and actions in '94 with Mansell and '97 with Villeneuve where he consciously chooses to ram these drivers are dispicable.
dutchdude1985 10 months ago
@dutchdude1985 Well he is a loving father and husband, he has done something good in his life! As well as being a great guy. His driving tactics are not to everyone's taste but the man himself in a great chap.
RedStarDon 10 months ago
@RedStarDon Fair enough m8, i suppose 'dispicable' is an overstatement on my part. Im merely trying to put to words why Schumacher never moved me as Senna or Mansell did. My first post already stated Schumi is by all means a very good driver, and i hold no claims to know what he's like irl.
dutchdude1985 10 months ago
@dutchdude1985
Its quite strange that one driver was in 16 collisions,were all others werent.
Well whats the price of Michaels reign? Schumacher has been on the very top in nearly 16 years....Senna not even 11. His action in 1994 was a race-accident according to FIA.
Senna rammed Prost quite hard...1989 for instance. 200 kph the telematri proved!
hlidskjalf666 10 months ago
@hlidskjalf666 I don't think Senna is overrated. He has his place in the F1 drivers pantheon... As well as Michael...
giugiu13 10 months ago 2
well @ 4:13 shows the difference between an average driver and a great driver.
bigbodlover 11 months ago 3
this is very impressive like spain 96, we cant compare schumacher to senna as there different time periods but take a look at his record.
and before someone says it was the car yes correct but when schumacher went to ferrari they cudnt finnish a race without mechanical failures never mind winning one, most drivers today turnn up and race but schumacher made that team his own so why should any other driver come to ferrari and be treaten the same why back a useless driver to win? when u have msc
theschuminator 11 months ago
4:19 Impressive??Ah ok......
Donfrak 1 year ago
CHEATMASTER VS HILL !!!!!
jclafi 1 year ago
@jclafi Schumacher didn't cheat here, he was just way better than Hill.
ohargreaves 1 year ago
@ohargreaves
Ohh a way better ?? Ohh yes sooooo better that he ended in the gravel ! Please cut the crappy shummy fan stuff !!
jclafi 1 year ago
@jclafi LOL Schumacher was way better because he held off Hill (who was on wet tyres) for over a lap when he was on dry tyres. And Schumacher still won this race - from 16th on the grid.
ohargreaves 1 year ago 3
Schumacher was lucky he never had ANY world class opposition
flipsidedogchop 1 year ago
@flipsidedogchop Yawn, the predictable excuse for not appreciating Schumacher's quality.
ohargreaves 1 year ago
@ohargreaves Yawn, the predictable attitude of a student, too young to remember real F1
flipsidedogchop 1 year ago
@flipsidedogchop You're just looking through rose tinted glasses, that's all. Schumacher was a legend and F1 is as exciting as it ever was.
ohargreaves 1 year ago 2
@ohargreaves what the fuck would you know, student boy?
flipsidedogchop 1 year ago
@flipsidedogchop What I do know, is that Schumacher had world class opposition which included Hakkinen, Alonso and Raikkonen during his 15 year spell at the top of the sport. What I also know is that it's painfully obvious that you have nothing to back up your original comment. As a result you use the fact that I am a student as an attempt at a very weak insult. You need to calm down and stop swearing, then people might take you seriously.
ohargreaves 1 year ago 2
@ohargreaves Schumacher had the richest team in F1 revolving 100% around him..... He never had a team mate allowed to challenge him EVER.... He had the best tactician in Ross Brawn and designer Rory Byrne building cars around him alone....He also had the Sauber-Ferrari's holding up his few rivals!
If he raced in the 70's he woulda been DEAD before he won 1 title!
Hows that for backing up my original comment?
flipsidedogchop 1 year ago
@flipsidedogchop Schumacher wouldn't have acheived 91 wins or 7 titles without being something special. The cars do not drive themselves as much as you would like to believe they do. If having a rich team was most of what matters, then the drivers of Honda and Toyota would have been world champions, but no, none of their drivers had MSCs ability to mould a team around himself to turn it from a midfield car (in 1996) to an unbeatable force. Only Alonso comes close in this regard.
ohargreaves 1 year ago
@flipsidedogchop And as I already mentioned, Schumacher obviously did have world class competition like Hakkinen, Hill, Alonso, Raikkonen, Mintoya, etc, but if you got the impression that he didn't then that's probably because Schumacher made them look poor.
ohargreaves 1 year ago
@ohargreaves thinking that senna, prost, mansell & piquet were finishing their careers just as MS started his might have helped him. Then people like david coulthard became his rivals!
flipsidedogchop 1 year ago
@flipsidedogchop Perhaps, but there isn't any evidence that Schumacher at his prime wasn't capable of taking on anybody and beating them, which is all any F1 driver can do. And despite being a good driver, Coulthard wasn't one of Schuey's better rivals.
ohargreaves 1 year ago
@ohargreaves i didnt say he was incapable of anything. At the end of the day he was great in F1, but to say he is the best driver ever because of statistics is narrow minded
flipsidedogchop 1 year ago
@flipsidedogchop I never said that stats alone make him the best ever. As you acknowledge, there are other good arguments for Schumacher, or others like Clark, Senna or Fangio to be considered the best.
ohargreaves 1 year ago
@flipsidedogchop
1. In 1992, when Nigel Mansell was thrashing the hell out of everyone, Michael beat him by 30 odd seconds in the rain in Belgium. Senna was racing too
2. Senna's Championship wins came in the already dominant McLaren Honda at that time
3. when Schumacher came to Ferrari it had not won a championship for 17 years (Jody Scheckter in 1979). During those years the Ferrari was driven by some guys named, Prost, Mansell and G. Villeneuve
SHAME ohargreaves
hlidskjalf666 11 months ago 13
@hlidskjalf666
1. Yea i remember Nigel having a misfire in that race
2. Thats true and i never said otherwise
3 When schumacher went to Ferrari they also got Ross Brawn & Rory Byrne who had worked with MS for years..... FIAT invested alot more money to win and as the car became better, Irvine nearly delivered it first!
flipsidedogchop 11 months ago
@flipsidedogchop Irvine was only a title contender in 1999 because Schumacher broke his leg at Silverstone. MS was beating him up until that point (having beaten him in the previous years, too).
FIAT didn't necessarily invest so much more in MS's success than they did in all those years of failure beforehand, so bringing that up is almost pointless. MS, Brawn and Byrne were all key components in making Ferrari the best team of the early 2000s.
ohargreaves 11 months ago
@ohargreaves yea, i saw michael brake his leg at silverstone..... i guess irvine outdrove him then....
over 4 seasons it was MS 189pts v EI 156pts
flipsidedogchop 11 months ago
@flipsidedogchop Irvine was a good driver, but Schu was better almost all the time. 111 points better (not 33).
ohargreaves 11 months ago
@ohargreaves Dont think so..... Do some research and you'll find it was MS 189pts v EI 156pts
Remember MS scored 0 pts in 1997! Hahaha or did you forget that?
flipsidedogchop 11 months ago
@flipsidedogchop I'm aware of that, but you know that 0 pts wasn't representative of his performance. Either way, Irvine was significantly outdriven across those 4 years.
ohargreaves 11 months ago
@ohargreaves 0 pts wasnt representative of his performance???
HE TRIED TO CRASH INTO HIS MAIN RIVAL FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP..... AGAIN!!!! he was lucky not to be banned for 1998!
wake up dickhead!
flipsidedogchop 11 months ago
@flipsidedogchop If 0 points was representative of his performance, then he wouldn't have won 5 races, including yet another wet weather masterclass at Spa. Not to mention the wet Monaco domination.
And insults to back up your poor argument- again?
ohargreaves 11 months ago
@ohargreaves whaaaaat??? .....what are you on about not representative of performance?? .... fuck, i guess ive got to spell it out for you....
HE BROUGHT THE SPORT INTO DISREPUTE!! HE DESERVED -100 pts!!! HE GOT 0pts AND WAS LUCKY TO GET THAT!! IRVINE OUTSCORED HIM IN 97!!
dont worry matey, i fcking watched the shit....Live!
flipsidedogchop 11 months ago
@flipsidedogchop Irvine didn't do anything to beat Michael. He was slower all season long. You can bang on about this all you want, but it's a pretty desperate tactic for you to claim that Irvine beat MSC in any season other than 1999 (where we know that MSC should have beaten him if not for injury). Based on driver performance, Schumacher scored 78, Irivne 24. Only a useless ruling took away MSCs points.
And sort out your caps lock button. It's as inconsistent as Irvine in 1997.
ohargreaves 11 months ago
@ohargreaves In 2008 McLaren drove with numbers 22 & 23... Why? Because they were disqualified and finished last in 2007
Same thing with Schumacher 1997.... He won races but still finished with 0pts... accept it!
flipsidedogchop 10 months ago
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@flipsidedogchop They did technically get DQed, but Mclaren's drivers were still superior to say, Massa. Similarly, Schumacher was superior to Irvine in 1997, which is clear to anyone with eyes who watched the season.
ohargreaves 10 months ago
@flipsidedogchop MAN, FUCK YOU! FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK YOU! YOU SON OF A FUCKED UP, FUCKED UP BITCH! SCHUMACHER IS THE BEST! I HATE FUCKING BITCHES LIKE YOU! HE ISN'T A CHEATER, HILL WAS A DRUNK DRIVING BASTARD! AND NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOU SAYING ABOUT THE 0 PTS! ON HS STATS IT STILL SAYS ALL HIS WINS AND PODIUMS AND POINTS. SO SUCK ON IT!
Beechaii2 10 months ago
@Beechaii2 Dont get out of your fckin pram about it.....
flipsidedogchop 10 months ago
@flipsidedogchop you are a bitch and you can't fucking argue that he is not the greatest. what shit did Hill do? 1995 all their collisions were his fault, retarted bitch!
Beechaii2 10 months ago
@Beechaii2 Your a faggot!
flipsidedogchop 8 months ago
@flipsidedogchop your mum is a faggot! honestly, you know nothing about F1
Beechaii2 8 months ago
@Beechaii2 hahahaha just saw your profile hahahaha... go suck roger federers cock you homo!!
your an aussie too! hahahaha! what has australia ever done for F1..... fucking nothing!
flipsidedogchop 8 months ago
@flipsidedogchop aussie has its on gp and one of the best too!
Beechaii2 8 months ago
@flipsidedogchop two world champions i think.
breizhcatalonia1993 8 months ago
@breizhcatalonia1993 WOW!
When was the last one? 1980? nuff sed!
flipsidedogchop 8 months ago
@flipsidedogchop thesenamic has beated you
breizhcatalonia1993 8 months ago
@breizhcatalonia1993 which is more than an aussie has done it F1 for 30 years!
flipsidedogchop 8 months ago
@flipsidedogchop troll
breizhcatalonia1993 8 months ago
@breizhcatalonia1993 fag
flipsidedogchop 8 months ago
@flipsidedogchop What has Australia done for F1?
Sir Jack Brabham: 3 time world champion, only man to win a title in a car of his own design.
Alan Jones: Arguably the catalyst through which Williams started their run of success, winning their first title.
Grand Prix: Australia has held non championship Grands Prix from 1929 to 1968, you may also want to look up the Tasman Series. For championship races, the Australian Grand Prix has been part of the championship since 1985.
Just so you know.
Thesenamic 8 months ago
@Thesenamic Lets got one thing clear... English engineering was responsible for Jones winning the 1980 title!
Yes jack brabham was a great driver but at the moment....The only thing australia has to do with f1 is mark webber, who made his name by moving to england... and and englishman designed his fantastic car!
flipsidedogchop 8 months ago
@flipsidedogchop 2 words. The first is sponsorship. Why would he try and make a career in open wheelers work from Australia? It doesn't make any sense at all.
The second is selectiveness. You choose to point out that Jones won in the Williams penned by Patrick Head at the Imperial College of London (if I am not mistaken) but only give 11 words on Brabham. And Newey is a genius, I agree. I simply find it foolish that you imply Australia has had no involvement in F1 and then when it is shown(cont)
Thesenamic 8 months ago
@Thesenamic (cont) that they have you claim that it is irrelevant. Using your logic, Webber's success may not be due to Newey, a Brit, but to the Renault engines, which are French/Japanese (merger with Nissan). Similarly, it is like saying that Schumacher's titles with Ferrari are the result of Byrne, a South African designer, Schumacher, a German driver, Irvine/Barrichello, an Irish and Brazilian respectively, Brawn, a Brit, or Badoer/Ferrari, Italians. You see the problem here (cont again)
Thesenamic 8 months ago
@Thesenamic wow i posted a comment 3 minutes ago and youve already responded twice!
maybe you should leave the keyboard and get a fucking job you layabout!
flipsidedogchop 8 months ago
@flipsidedogchop Layabout? It is 18:54 here, I just finished a nice dinner and sat down to see if you had replied. Assuming you are in the UTC timezone, it is just about 11am... So who are you to talk about being a layabout?
Your arguments hold no water when scrutinised even casually, and I do not understand why you continue on your current argument. If we really want to talk about heritage, the French have given us Grand Prix, so I suggest you start praising them over your motherland.
Thesenamic 8 months ago
@Thesenamic shame im working in australia aint it? hahahaha!
even if it is 7pm maybe you should get a girl friend instead of whinging your nuts off on youtube when someone has a different opinion!
seriously your arguement is about nothing and i cant be arsed talking to retards! later
flipsidedogchop 8 months ago
@flipsidedogchop Considering that you started this quite a while back I find it laughable that you think that we are "whinging our nuts off". You seem stressed, why is that?
I'm fine for a missus mate, so right back at you.
"arguement [sic] is about nothing"? You made a laughable claim. We pointed this out, only for you to become enraged at us. I'm fine with a different opinion, but not with attempts to claim it as fact. Look up Burden of Proof.
Later? Don't let the door hit you then.
Thesenamic 8 months ago
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good point ohargreaves !
When Schumacher came back from his lost season ,dude he was so fast.... like, Dont forget me.
hlidskjalf666 10 months ago
@hlidskjalf666 What was the point of the last line of that comment?
ohargreaves 10 months ago
@hlidskjalf666 one could counter-argue that for 80% of his carrer, Schumi had an utterly dominat car, obediant team mates and an entire team structure that was catered for him. IMO 1995, 2000 and 2003 were his only real titles, the ones he had to fight for, the rest, particulary 2001, 2002 and 2004 were just showcases in piss taking that killed the sport through incessent predictability and ferrari dominance. I don't mind who wins as long as its a good fight
JontieDesario 8 months ago
@JontieDesario
80% ? haha I belive there is no particular maths/brain backing that up!
1. dominant car? when Michael at last get into a reliable car he also finished all races on the podium! 2004. You cant for real say that his early years fighting in underdogs like Benetton,Jordan was "dominat cars"?
2. Why did ferrari hire him? Why did everyone want him back in 1994,1995 already when he was quite a rookie. because he was splendid fast.
Its sacrilege claiming anything else !!!
hlidskjalf666 8 months ago 2
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Why would a team discourage all of michaels team-mates do you mean?
I belive they want to win...Why fucking up their chances and only rely on 1 driver? xD
Fact is. NO ONE was as splendid fast as michael.
Everybody seemed slow and poor for almost a decade. thats quite hard to understand but dont shout here about some complete pathethic conspiracy theories instead!
hlidskjalf666 8 months ago 2
@hlidskjalf666 this hasnt changed my opinion sorry, recently eddie irvine said that in suzuka 1999 his car was "mysteriously" 2 seconds off the pace of schumachers...yeah michael did beat his team mates, but in time this became a naturalised phenomenon and barrichello was never really givien the same attention. just look at schumi now tho, thinking of throwing in the towel, and brundle said on sunday that he has poor race craft cos most of his career he was in domiant cars with no need to fight
JontieDesario 8 months ago
@JontieDesario
I never thought of change the opinion of a complete fool.
Dont got your point, DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT FERRARI BY PURPOSE MESSED-UP the OPPONENTS car? Because in your world it would mean that every single Formula-1 car than Michaels were slow and fucked-up for his almost 16 years REIGN ....
watch the BBC-documentary. Everybode with common sense at all knew that Michael Schumacher was the faster driver around. 16 years at the very top of Formula 1.
hlidskjalf666 8 months ago
@hlidskjalf666 Manseel was well ahead of Schumi before Mansells radiator blew and Senna made the mistake of staying out on too long on old tires. When Schumi moved to Ferrari he brought most of the benetton team to Ferrari, so Ferrari were not quite the same team. The ferraris during the late 80s/early90s were extremely unreliable.
ssssroryssss 8 months ago
@ssssroryssss
xD Yea, and "IF" michaels´ferrari didnt have brake-failure he would be the champion 1999.
I´m point out the fact that Schumacher acctually out-raced the old "greats" several times! Not just once.
remember Michael was a new-rookie in inferior-team while winning against mansell,senna,prost, etc.
Yes, thanks for clearing out another anti-ms-myth. The fact that he was a key character turning the Ferrari team around! Why did Michael win barcelona 1996? the car? xD
hlidskjalf666 8 months ago
@hlidskjalf666 The Beneton B191,192,193,194 and 195 were great cars. The B192 easily rivaled the Mclarens in 1992. I'd argue that this year and last year is the first time Schumi has been in a bad car. I Do recognise Schumi is one of the greats but he is not as good as Senna or Prost in bad cars. The Bemetton B194 was easily better than the Wiliams FW15. Even Demaon Hill said the handling on the FW15 wasn't as good.
ssssroryssss 8 months ago
@ohargreaves
He also... as a complete Rookie made the elite-field look like amateurs.
outraced the greats as Alesi,Senna,Prost,Hill,Villenueve...
hlidskjalf666 10 months ago
@flipsidedogchop
* Michael´s first Race was in a Jordan car, on the Spa circuit he never driven before.
He qualified 7th and was faster than his teammate.1991
* The great superior teams were Mclaren-Honda,Williams. Still Michael fought hard in a inferior Benetton in the early 90-is. All F-1 experts know´s that.
Why did every team want him back in the 93-95 then?....
try use that tiny brain of yours before speak! Michael was a young-star-driver who turned a whole team around.
hlidskjalf666 8 months ago
@flipsidedogchop
* Michael joined the disaster Ferrari 1996. i-n-s-t-e-a-d of picking easy Titles at *Williams etc.
* Michael won several times in 1993,1994 over the "Greats" (Senna,Prost,Hill,etc)
- as a new rookie in inferior machinery.
* He made ferrari what they is. Why havent Ferrari won@Monaco since 2001 with Michael?
* No challenger team-mate/opposition for 1-6 YEARS !? Very statistic likely... genious !
hlidskjalf666 8 months ago
@hlidskjalf666 hahaha you dont know fuck all!
Sooooo..... he won SEVERAL times in 1993 did he? perhaps you can name them because i only recall him winning at estoril!
Cmon justify your bullshit.....
flipsidedogchop 8 months ago
@flipsidedogchop
"several times in 1993,1994 "
You call that bullshit? cause last time i checked@ Formula1/results official site and Wikipedia i am right! xD And you´re all wrong pathetic scumbag. S T F U
hlidskjalf666 8 months ago
@flipsidedogchop Do you remember how Senna was given the title in 1988?
ilksen2010 1 year ago
@ilksen2010 not sure i mentioned senna did i budday? relax guy!
flipsidedogchop 1 year ago
@flipsidedogchop
Do you really believe that?
* How come no-one was as fast during almost a decade!?
* How come there wasnt any "oppostition" at all during his 16 years regin?...
* 1992 Michael beat both Nigel Mansell & ayrton Senna in the belgium GP.
(as a rookie with inferior machinery)
Go fuck yourself stupid
hlidskjalf666 8 months ago 44
@hlidskjalf666 what are you fuckin goin on about?
flipsidedogchop 8 months ago
@flipsidedogchop
Just reply substantial or stfu...
hlidskjalf666 8 months ago
@hlidskjalf666 Hows schumacher doing now you faggot?
flipsidedogchop 8 months ago
@flipsidedogchop
quite well consider he finished TOP10 in the highest level of racingclass.
despite beeing out of a car for 3 years.
The F1-racing magazine wrote that prodably no-one of the grid today could dream of repeating Michaels achievement in an similiar future.
You are fucking abhorrent and dishonour the greatest of all time. Lout.
hlidskjalf666 8 months ago 2
@hlidskjalf666 most succesful of all time yes, greatest of all time no.....
flipsidedogchop 8 months ago
@flipsidedogchop
Michael became most succesful because he prooved no one else was as fast!
for almost 2 decades. I dont know what you rate as Great...but Schumacher is the best r a c i n g -driver of mankind. It´s about racing right? ......
hlidskjalf666 8 months ago
@hlidskjalf666 schumacher was starting his career just as Senna, Prost, Mansell & Piquet were finishing theirs....then people like david coulthard were his rivals!
flipsidedogchop 8 months ago
@flipsidedogchop
NICE COPY + PASTE ;)
Second, thats incorrect because Michael raced as a rookie back in 1991. In belgium 1992 he outraced both Mansell ,and Senna. No-one was as quick! Thats why Schumacher dominated at the top for almost 16 years, made Formula-1 a bit boring. period.
hlidskjalf666 8 months ago
@hlidskjalf666 whaaaat? at spa 92 it was wet and his team got his strategy right....and mansell had a misfire!!
hows he going this year? hahahahahaha!!!!
flipsidedogchop 8 months ago
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1993 (14th race) Portugal:
"Schumacher lead after lap 33,and won over the champion Prost. + among Hill, Alesi, Wendlinger,Brundle.
1994 (1th race) Brazil:
"Senna took pole, spun on lap 56 chasing Michael .> Schumacher WON ahead of them all. Hill, Alesi, Barrichello.."
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1994 (2th race) Tanaka.Japan:
"Senna spun and collided with Larini. Michael pulled away from them all. ( Hill,Berger etc)"
hlidskjalf666 8 months ago
@hlidskjalf666 yeah man senna is so over hyped we all know the pro r just being polite to say senna was the greatest ron dennis and all teams now schumi in his prime wud destory senna by a mile
dojOdRiFTeR 7 months ago
@hlidskjalf666 : that is not 100% true...Schumie lost to both Alonso and Hakkinen during his 16 years...
granted Hakkinen was before Ferrari was dominating and Alonso was the only driver to beat schumie in his prime.
Schumie is class, there is no way around that. It does not matter that his comeback was not as great as we all expected. He has done more as driver in his life, then any other driver before him. so if his comeback did does not work. I will still remember him for what he achieved.
dinodam 7 months ago 12
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LordNazgul95 7 months ago
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honestly alonso won by luck since michael had to retire during the suzuka race in 2006 because of mechanical failure. not saying alonso is bad racing driver, just that he didn't actually win because he was better. luck plays an important role in everything. Still for me the best is still hamilton :)
LordNazgul95 7 months ago
@dinodam He lost with slower (hakkinen) and unreliabler(alonso) cars. With alonso if engine didn't explode in suzuka he wouldn't never won
Enri1989 3 months ago
@Enri1989 lol unreliabler isn't a word
jkamwal2 2 months ago
@dinodam Not really, 2005 the Ferrari wasn't competative at all because of the Bridgestone tyres. 2006 the Ferrari became competative in mid-season.
1998 McLaren had a major improvement over Ferrari because of some great inventions. But Schumacher was 1998 competative with the Ferrari. 1999 the Ferrari and Mclaren were eaqual, 2000 the same. The Ferrari-Dominance started 2001-2002 and 2004. 2003 the Championship was not so dominant.
ReLax232 1 month ago
@dinodam He would've been beaten by Raikkonen aswell but unfortunately the car let him down on a few occasions when it mattered, and he finished just 2 points behind Schumacher in 2003. Also given the chance, even Rubens could've taken a championship at Ferrari. Just a shame team orders play such a big role at Ferrari.
blainyrules 1 month ago
@blainyrules The Ferrari and Bridgestones were letting Schumi down too during 2003...
tubehows4life 1 month ago
@dinodam Alonso beat him because in 2005, the new regulations destroyed the ferrari. It was 1996 all over again and he, along with his team, were required to redevelop the car. And in 2006, the engine blowout (12pts) and the puncture (+x pts) caused schumacher to lose it.
DeadbeatXT 2 weeks ago