I totally agree with this guy,, all U need to do is check what Moham-mad.. really was. HE GOT RAPE AND ABUSE BY "the angel' who gave him some revelations". A "pedophile, murder, THERE'S NO PROPHECY FROM HIM (sura 10:94/3:81)..Their moon god says,, Don' ever go to peace if U r stronger.. slay'em when U catch 'em. Burn their scriptures of your enemies. And many more things totally out of a LOVELY GOD LIKE JESUS!! Alla is just one of their 300 + idols in their places. WANT MORE?
Alot of what they say is based on history, christians are not a peaceful people. I am not muslim and I despise christianity more than you can fathom. It is a disease of this planet. Jesus was a man, and he would cry over the things that people do in his name. Muslims don't dislike Jesus, just his misled fanclub. I have never been mistreated or discriminated against by muslims, jews, hindus, buddhists, atheists, wiccans, or agnostics...Just christians. Christianity is obsolete, and YOU are wrong.
@HeppinnMelrakki It seems that U have no idea what r u talking about. Have read the Bible?.. Do you know the msg that it brings to humanity? Or U r just talking cuz "they" told you. And don' talk about the "christians".. cuz no one is perfect, talk about what the book really tells you. Jesus was not just a simple man.. HE WAS fully man and FULLY GOD.. John 1:1-14. All religions got something good.. BUT JESUS IS NOT A RELIGION CUZ THERE'S NO RULES.. AND JESUS GOT THE WHOLE PACKAGE..!
first of all, Jesus was a Jewish while a Jewish denies the existence of Jesus then jesus declared his religion called Christianity but Christianity came from the words, crucifixion, crucified, cross, chris. basically its a religion of the cross if u translated in Arabic or Hebrew, However in Arabic its called Almsayaheh which means religion of the messiah,Last, there is no original script however they got the translated pages.future reference:Christianity was disappeared during the middle ages
@Kiyamlol hahah where in the Bible says that? I think U got no idea what U r saying,, that was in the old testament.. JESUS brought a new covenant,, and I thin U either don' know that Moham-mad was a pedophile and an murder, Whoever didn' take his "religion".. was kiled.. just like the quran says.. sura 2-191.. slay 'em whenever u catch 'em. sura 45:35/ 5:9-29 Fight those who don' believe in Mohammad. Don' ever go to peace if U r stronger. So it seems that U just don' have idea,
@demetrixxxable he is referred to as Isa (pbuh) in the quran and his mother Mary is Maryam ( there is a whole chapter about her alone), likewise the other prophets. Muhammad pbuh is not the only prophet. The prophets mentioned range All the way from Adam and Hawwa ( Eve), Ibrahim (Abraham), Isa ( Jesus) and finally to Muhammad (peace be upon them all) and others. What your listening is all lies conveyed by the biased media. Read the original quran and not from incorrect sources.
@Kiyamlol UUMm again.. U don' make sense man.. First of all.. Adan and Eve were not "prophets.. and JESUS IS not a "prophet" HE IS THE CREATOR..OF EVERYTHING ON THE UNIVERSE.!! Jesus says,, Before Abraham was, I am" Jonh 8:56-59. The book of John,, tells U exactly that Jesus and God are the same thing in the whole book. But one thing U guys don'have is what it says on Corntns2:12-16. Cuz U haven' receive the "holy spirit yet". Where we r going,, we don' need flesh and blood.!!
@Kiyamlol So just to finish this round.. where in the quran. talks about moha-mad being on heaven? What is his "prophecy"?sura 10:94&3:81. What miracles did He do? If He was bigger than Jesus.. how come he is not coming back with power and glory like JESUS IS GONNA DO IT? Mark 13:26, Mattew 24:30, Luke 21:20-28. U guys are been indoctrinated and lied to. There's no guarantee on your "god" which is one of the 365 for every day on your places. and from a "pedophile" and murder, thief & more.
@demetrixxxable Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14 and as for other versus look for it yourself. I shouldn't have to tell you if you truly know your bible.
@Kiyamlol UUmm Not close bro,, that part it talks about the "holy spirit"..no the "fake prophet'.. Look what it says on John 14:16-17..That is the spirit of truth, whom the world can not receive, because it does not see HIM or know Him, but U know Him because He dwelleth with you and will be in YOU. And then it talks about U guys of the "islam".. on John 16:2-4. Read the whole chap. The only part where it talks about "moha-mad is on revltins where the fake prophet is thrown out to hell.
This guy in this video is obviously a moron. Obviously has no knowledge of the qu'ran and has made his made up opinions.
FOR YOUR INFORMATION:
Muslims ADORE Jesus Christ, we believe in him and ALL the other prophets. In fact the majority of muslims follow most of Jesus Christ's teachings along with the other prophets and the last prophet ( peace be upon them ALL ).
Jesus's name in the qu'ran the arabic name is Isa Bin Maryam which translates to Jesus son of Mary.
the old testament doesnt talk about muhammad in any shape or form ..it talks about the coming messiah who was like moses .. jesus came to be the final sacrifice for the sins of the world , unless you believe your a sinner and need to be forgiven , then you will not enter heavens gates ..this includes muhammad also..
And the bible (old testament) talks about Prophet Muhammad too. A noble monk named Bahri met the prophet when he was a little boy. Bahri predicted that Muhammad was going to be a noble leader and messenger of God. And if your going to accuse Islam being no peaceful, then why are there so many different branches of Christianity? You guys are not even united as one, so how does that say peace? Christainity was spread by the sword and Islam was spread by trade.
@meepmeep95 why there are so many branches in the islamic faith? there are sunni, shia, sufi, salafi (wahabi), deobandi, ahmadiyya. Are they the same religion or not? Also I know shias are image worshippers.
For your information the Quran talks about the divine birth of Jesus and the miracles he performed (such as revitalizing the dead, and how he healed the sick, blind, and people with lepers). So don't be making accusations and stupid claims about Islam if your closed minded. OBVIOUSLY you have not read the Quran. And if you guys want to go after some one for denouncing Jesus, go after the Jews. They denounce him and he is not credited in the Torah. They went against his teachings.
Guess what im a Muslim kid and Islam is promotes peace, Prophet Mohamed disagreed strongly with violence. Yes we do believe in Jesus he is mentioned in the quran a lot. Look UP Surah Maryam
And to some of you. Did not the manuscripts warn, by (jesus) that a fake messiah would come? Did not (jesus) say, that many false prophets would come. I know there is a name game going on with Atheists, and all religions. But I tell you, the character of the man that was crucified, has shown itself to those who can see. And all the manuscripts for which all the above, pull vast debates, all come from the same first manuscripts. Everyone is fighting over who (christ) was, and some denounce him.
Christians love the messiah Christ. True Christians love "I am that I am", and would never cause harm to anyone, unless it is to protect their very lives from extremist. Christians have heard the testimony of The Messiah. Anyone who harms a true christian, is in fact, harming G-ds people. For Christ has spoken truth, and revealed the character of G-d. Some of you fight for reasons that are not peaceful. Some seek sensationalism, and rituals, and greed, and declaration of state and ethnicity.
@BosphorusLover You dont no what your talking about. Christians see Jesus as God on earth, the centre of our beliefs without him we have nothing, islam see Jesus as a prophet, you dont believe he died on the cross. Listen try reading the new testement look at the life Jesus lived, he was a kind loving man. Then look at mohammad the murderer who married a 6year old and had sex with her. You cant get much further away from God's teachings than that act.
Islam is full of hate,, nothing new to that just look back and see mohammad the murderer, as well as mohammad having sex with children...mohammad was a monster.
Okay if Islam is so hateful than why is the Christian religion not even united itself. You guys have about 24 different branches of Christianity. Then how come Christianity was spread by the sword and not trade like Islam. Why is there racism incorporated with your religion (KKK, Nazis, slaver, and hate crimes that happen here in America by White supremacy groups)? You forget? huh? You forget everything. So before you make ignorant statements on Islam don't be so hypercritical.
@meepmeep95 I completely agree with you about that. But my goodness is this video racist. How can you target any race of people and say ohh they are all bad sheesh. This world is so damn fucked up.
Why was Jesus screaming "Eloi , Oh Eloi, help me" on the cross? Eloi means God in Aramaic so was he praying to himself? How contradictory is that? My source is the Old Testament.
@meepmeep95 Jesus shouted Eloi why have you forsaken me. The source you read isnt true because Jesus says it in the New Testement. If you wish to have a true brother of love you need to turn to Jesus as your saviour, who loves you but cant help you until you turn away from islam. mohamad's life was a sewer sex with a young girl murder rape surely God wouldnt sent a man to save you for him to live like that. Jesus was pure.
This guy is lying and knows nothing about Islam.. We love Jesus and follow his teachings better than christians..this speaking untruth.... May you recieve your just reward for all that you lead astray..
LoL.. this is ridiculous.. we love jesus (muslims)... just look at what the jews say about jesus and Mary in the TALMUD!! its shameful, i dont even want to speak of that perversion.. MUSLIMS LOVE JESUS!! HE IS SACRED TO US!! PEACE BE UPON HIM..
Simple solution to this problem..Go and ask Allah the truth....after that if allah do not respond ..then Go ask Jesus the truth,.bring the name Jesus..just try it i dare all...seek him ..dont ask your neigboor or anyone just ask God..what is his name..or say " Jesus if your really a God show me the truth".. God bless
If anybody here wants proof ..i cant give you ,but my God will answer it for you.. Go ask him with all your heart and strength. Fast and pray ..Go ask him what is the truth ..then you will find what is the truth..I dare you to use the name of Jesus..just try..and about Mary the mother of God they say she is now at peace and has no idea that some christians are worshiping her...God is angry about it right now..Only God can hear our prayers ..because apart from him no one can save,
Obviously, you know nothing. The Quran said 1400 years ago that everything was made from water, that the universe is expanding, that the moon does not emit its own light. The Quran also first introduced the helio-centric system, the sun's lifetime, the food cycle. And also the Quran told us 1400 many unknown facts about animals. Such as ant communication, locusts fly in swarms, and the life of bees. AND MANY MORE.
You don't understand what I'm saying. If someone oppresses you on a small-scale you should not harm them back, then you will be rewarded. But, if someone physically harms you and your loved one, will you turn the other cheek? Answer that for me. If someone wages war on you and your loved ones, it's in human nature to defend yourself! But Islam NEVER condones fighting someone without them fighting you first.
why you're so ignorent. i'm sure that these kinds of videos make muslims hate you. cuz there are 150% lies about islam. it's impossible to be a muslim without believing in jesus christ (pbuh) and we love jesus more than you do. if jesus died on the crossthen you should hate the cross not love it. so if we suppose jesus died on an electric chair ,would you put an electric chair on your nick. wow can you use you minds a little.
You are 110% WRONG! A part of a Muslim's faith is to believe and love ALL the prophets, INCLUDING JESUS (AS). Muslims love Jesus (AS) and Mary, and in fact, there is a whole CHAPTER in the Quran named after Mary. Also, it's disliked very much for a Muslim to speak the name of Jesus (AS) without sending blessing upon him. And finally, Muslims obey the commandments of Jesus more than Christians do. So on this basis, I conclude that MUSLIMS LOVE JESUS (AS) MORE!
@AllahuAkbar377 You would have concluded wrong my friend. Type in Muslim Persecution and only thing you will find is Muslims all over the world killing people. The truth shall set you free MUSLIMS ARE KILLERS
What does that have anything to do with our immense love for Jesus AS? In fact, you are generalizing. Just because you see some 'Muslim' killing people, does that mean all Muslim are killers? I'm a Muslim, and I've never hurt a fly. Please, do some research.
@AllahuAkbar377 yes, thats why those 19 wonderful god loving muslims killed over 3000 people on 9/11 and al queda have vowed to kill more! thats real love,friend!you dont know the first thing about jesus! he preached love not hatred and violence like is contained in the quran.there are over 100 verses in the quran calling for muslims to wage war against non believers and to quote"kill infidels where ever they are hiding".
@btflash55 Are you really going to base your opinion on 1 billion people just because of what 19 people did? God says in the Quran (I'm paraphrasing from memory):
-Do not obey the believers, but do not harm them.
-Whoever kills one soul, unless for corruption done in the land, it's as if he killed all of mankind.
As for the verses in the Quran about waging war, these are misunderstood. They are telling the prophet to wage war and defend his people.
@AllahuAkbar377 really? heres a few you may have forgotten.believers ,do not make friends with any but your own people.when ye meet unbelievers smite at their necks! take not jews and christians as friends,they are but friends to each other.seek out your enemies relentlessly!make war on nonbelievers and deal rigorously with them!fight against those to whom scriptures were given.(christians and jews).thats just a few examples . i can go on and on.what love and tolerance for others!
You are taking most of these out of context. Read Al-Nisa' (89-91) and Al-Baqarah (190-194).
Also, most of the verses you speak of REFER TO A BATTLE THE PROPHET WAS IN. Allah SWT was telling HIM (SAW) to smite the disbelievers in battle. And if you read the rest of the verse, it should make more sense, Insha Allah.
As for not making friends with disbelievers. If we befriend them, this can ultimately mislead us. it is best for our religion to only befriend Muslims.
@AllahuAkbar377 you mean they are out of context in your opinion because you dont agree.all those quotes are from different portions of the quran. they are not referring to a specific battle. i can give you the specific verses they came from if you wish.if you cannot make friends with others whose religious opinions differ from your own then i put it to you that islam is a religion of intolerance towards others !you have made my point, sir!
@AllahuAkbar377 i am aware of the rest of the verses but youtube limits the amount of words i need to respond so i omitted them for that reason.as i have stated in an earlier post islam does not preach tolerance for others as christianity does or more specifically as our lord and savior jesus christ did!christ did not preach about killing those whose beliefs differed as islam does. instead he taught us to love them and embrace them in his name.
@AllahuAkbar377 when a true christian is wronged he turns the other cheek and loves his assailant. a muslim declares jihad and kills him! again, that is a big difference and is not tolerant nor benevolant!
@AllahuAkbar377 you mean "your" human nature.an animal 'reacts" to acts of violence. again, my friend you make my point. your doing more to make my argument valid than i am. a true christian forgives those who have wronged him. thats the lesson christ taught us. . peace and love.your faith teaches intolerance,hatred against those who are different and revenge and retribution against those who have wronged you.that is a religion based on fear,and hatred not love.
@AllahuAkbar377 "love your enemies. do good to those who hate you.""bless them that curse you and pray for them who despitefully use you"."do unto others as you would have others do unto you".that is the message of jesus christ. you say you regard him as a prophet yet you choose to ignore his message of peace and love and embrace fear,loathing and revenge.sorry , but that doesnt sound like a loving religion to me.
@AllahuAkbar377 funny you say this yet you don't believe he was the son of god fortold in the old testiment . If you actualy did believe in the teachings of jesus you would know he is the truth and the light , he even warned you about false prophets apearing after him and the old and new testiment was the only bible .John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
@GrayWulf316 I do believe in the teachings of Jesus (AS). And nowhere in his teachings does he say he's God. By the way, The Bible foretold the coming of Muhammad.
Do you honestly think that GOD has a son? Please, tell me, why would he need a son? It's illogical, if he wanted to convey a message, he has messengers.
@AllahuAkbar377 (John 6:35), the water of life (John 7:37-38); the light of the world (John 8:12), the good shepherd (John 10:11), the son of God (John 10:36), the resurrection and the life (John 11:25), the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6), the true vine (John 15:1), and the king of the Jews (John 18:37).
Do you know of any archeological inscription dated within 100 years of Muhammad's death where he is called a prophet? If so, please name it.
@GrayWulf316 Wow. NONE of those citations CLEARLY state that he is a God. "The son of God", doesn't say begotten son. Where in the Bible does he (AS) CLEARLY say "I am God, worship me." If you can't find that, your argument is only opinionated.
The only archeological inscription that comes to mind would be Abdul Malik's inscription on the Dome of the Rock, which stated that God is one, Muhammad is his prophet.
@AllahuAkbar377 so you admit you can no more prove muhammed was a prophet than i can prove jesus said he was son of god simpley because jesus never wrote a book his disciples did and because you muslims are the way you are you say Oh they were men so they mad mistakes same as i can say the quran was written by men as well so in short we are at a stale mate however i can prove that muhammed his family and islam is based on arabic paganism
The Quran clearly stated that Muhammad was a prophet NUMEROUS times. Tell me, if you claim that Muhammad wasn't a prophet, how can an ordinary man convince SO many people in his time that he was a prophet. He did so many things for other people and never asked for anything back. Wouldn't an ordinary man claim prophethood for fame or money? Well, Muhammad SAW was poor, and he was tortured constantly.
P.S, it's obvious that the Quran was not written by man.
@AllahuAkbar377 you are a fool ! remember a guy in waco texas named david karesh who also convinced allot of people he was a prophet also who also had sex with children just as muhammed did and to say muhammed never took anything is a lie do you not recall the quran talking about him dividing the bootey and the quran was written by man were does it say Allah came down and wrote it ? furthermore the quran is not a archeological evidence ! P.S. islam is a pagan religion twisted into islam!
@GrayWulf316 He may have convinced people who was a prophet, but he had no proof! Was he illiterate and still able to recite the most beautiful of words? Did he recite a book which told so many scientific facts that NO ONE of his time even had the equipment to discover? Was he described as the most humble, loving, and generous of people by all that met him? I don't think so.
The Quran was revealed to Muhammad by Allah SWT! He wrote absolutely nothing.
@AllahuAkbar377 umm what scientific facts you mean the one were muhammed said sperm comes from a mans middle area of the torso ? if thats the science you believe cut your nuts of now ! also any man with tallent can make beutiful words muhammed was not the 1st or last. and as many of you muslims have said god becoming a man was beneath him so why then would Allah write a book wouldnt that also be beneath a god of perfection so it was written by men who were pagan trying to rewrite jesus's story
@GrayWulf316 First of all, Muhammad was ILLITERATE so he couldn't write. I never said that God became a man! I said that GOD revealed the Quran to angel Jibreel (AS) who then descended to earth and revealed the Quran to Muhammad (SAW).
@AllahuAkbar377 and the quran was written by the easter bunny and the angle was from LA , you believe whatever lies you want . muhammed used scribes to write his fictional story then just like L ron hubbard got a bunch of people to believe the fiction he created and the CULT of ISlam was born its roots firmly placed in paganism and thanks to muhammed a jewish/christian twisted perspective was added and you fools have been covered in blood ever since
@GrayWulf316 Muhammad used scribes? Haha. What proof do you have. I can prove to you that Muhammad didn't write it, but obviously you can't prove that he did. Do you think the Quran was written all at once? You're telling me that everytime a verse was revealed he had to get scribes to write it?
The content of the Quran can prove that he didn't write it. Sometimes the Quran critisized Muhammad.
And lastly, explain all the scientific proofs in the Quran. How would he know?
@AllahuAkbar377 I ask you the same question what proof do you have that a man didn't write it other than the quran says an angle revealed it ? satan can apear as an angle or i can write and angle revealed it to mickey mouse , still doesnt make it true ! you were not alive 1400 years ago so you can't prove anything , also i never said muhammed was stupid lots of people were illiterate back then i think he was very smart he brainwashed all the followers of islam who believe his fictional storys
@stepinside2007 I'm glad to hear so. It's very refreshing to meet people like you! :)
And you're right, he doesn't know what's truly in people's hearts, only God does. And yes, I am Muslim and I'm proud to say that I love Jesus (AS) and you for the sake of Allah.
God created light and darkness, places and spaces, time and Heaven and Hell. God existed without a place and existed without taking up space. God was not in the Heavens. God exists without a place, and without taking up space. God is not physical nor in a place. God is not a "man in the sky" nor is God a physical thing. God does not manifest/change. Change is from a superior state to inferior or vice versa, God is Perfect & clear of it. God doesn't need anything to exist, including space/place
"Muslims Hate Christians and Jesus Christ" Wrong, By saying "Muslims" you are saying all Muslims, I'm Muslim, I dont hate Christians, So to your first statement Wrong.. I love Jesus (pbuh) so wrong #2. We dont agree on who Jesus is, but that is not what you say, you say "Hate". I as a Muslim do not hate Christians or Jesus, so "Wrong" you are trying to build fear. shame on you. Not very Christian.
1of3) Even in God less religion such as Buddhism people do agree that Buddha DO NOT encourage people to commit evil, yet alone God of monotheistic religion, the God of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus would not have encouraged Jewish people to kill Jesus in most barbaric way for sin of humanity, because the God is The Most Merciful and He forgives whom He wills, therefore barbaric killing of Jesus could not have come from God, simply because God do not encourage people to commit evil.
2of3) The way Jesus died, inhumane, brutal, barbaric and humiliating & these evil acts could not have come from God. Because God do not commit evil, therefore Christianity never could have come from God, nor does God's mercy is subjugated to any substance on earth, including blood or killing because God is independent from everything that exists on Earth and heaven. Christianity could not have come from God, so Christians are doom to hell fire.
3of3) God do not encourage people to commit evil, therefore Jesus' death in most humiliated way was work of bad Jewish people, could not have come from God, and attributing it unto God as if that God wants Jesus be killed for sins of humanity was even greater evil.
Further saying that God have a son is an accusation against God; it is like attributing human-like and animal-like properties (i.e. having sons and daughters) unto God is unforgiving sin. Christians do not realize this.
@micheal74rich Most of what you claim here, is based on assumption that Qur'an is correct. Hence your claims are weak by default. There is no limit to the critique that christians can level against Islamic scripture, when assuming that the bible is God's infallible word. Any fool can make your arrogant claims, and any fool can see what you are doing. Only you, it seems cannot. Take a close look at this (old) copy and past dribble, that you embaress yourself with. Have you nothing original?
@micheal74rich You seem to think that the bible has been corrupted/changed etc...as most shallow muslims do now a days. It's interesting that so called "scholars" of Islamic texts rarely agree to this claim when questioned over this belief. In fact this issue is one of countless problems for the Islamic claim of authenticity. Muhammad repeatedly endorsed Biblical texts(both testaments), and todays text is taken from the very same ancient texts(pre-islamic) that were used in muhammads days.
@micheal74rich The idea that Jews or anyone at all would have changed biblical scripture is ideotic in the extreme. There were countless copies made, and these had spread far and wide. Yet only the same original versions exist, from far and wide. The dead sea scrolls, include every book of the old testament eccept Ruth. And guess what, Micheal... not even one single change is to be found. At least Qur'an doesn't claim that changes were made.
@micheal74rich So why do muslims continue to obsess over this claim that scripture was corrupted ? Because muhammad, in his effort to appeal to jews and christians, was completely dependent on biblical text. Without it, Islam is nothing, has nothing, and this is why the bible is such a thorn. A thorn for you too, Micheal. Muhammad had little knowledge of what the Gospels actually taught. Where he attempts to refute christians beliefs, he get's it very wrong. Yet he claims to confirm it.
@micheal74rich You see, Micheal, I can give you refrences, and yes, I do frequently read Qur'an, and the various other Islamic scriptures regarded as authoritive by Sunni Islam at large.And yes, I regard original Arabic text, via my Qatari Arabic text specialist, and scripture study partner, a life-long mature age muslim. A full blooded Arab. A Qatari national, with a very sharp head on her shoulders. Your claims are avoided like you would the plague, by studious muslims. They are wise to do so.
@micheal74rich I am not going to dig out the verses that you fail to negotiate, because you can do this yourself. I'm sure you do read Qur'an, perhaps fervently during ramadan. You ought to know at the very least, some Qur'anical verses that create a positional delemma for your rather well worn effort to (unsuccessfully) overcome some of the problems that exist for Islams precarious theological position. "they changed their texts" is desperate reflex, and you ought to have progressed by now.
@micheal74rich In summery, your claims are weak, not because I don't like them, or because scholars don't openly support them, but because you fail to explain, or even make mention of the obvious impossibilities that Islamic scripture presents us with, if we are to assume your proposed position. It is overwhelmingly problematic for anyone who takes Qur'anic Islam seriously. I feel you are being less than honest with yourself. Your claims are understandable. They are not credible. And old hat.
@celltechlars I read over and over your 7 inputs in reply to my 3 inputs but I couldn't find anything in those 7-inputs were directed to my 3-inputs but instead your blah blah are your angry counter attack to Islam. I didn't bring or say anything from Islam but instead I only use The God whom you believe in, like I do believe in Him, to debunk Christianity from its root. FYI… All muslims love and respect Jesus (pbuh) of Islam.
@micheal74rich Oh, I am sorry for giving you the impression that I am somehow angered. Having said that, you ought to consider the possibility that I am not "counter" attacking Islam at all. What I am pointing out is that your claims here, are well outside Qur'anic Islam's doctrine. Your claims are in strong contrast to Muhammads repeated teachings regarding Jesus, via his unconditional endorsement of the Gospels. What you are struggling with is Muhammads very teaching.
"What you are struggling with is Muhammads very teaching." The Prophet never taught his followers that The God requires blood, flesh, killing or crime-against humanity (i.e. in the killing of Jesus) for someone else to be forgiven. Your Bible says, all one's good deeds are filthy rags Isaiah 64:6 but you on the other hand believe a crime-against humanity can get you salvation. Umm isn’t that oxymoron?
@micheal74rich It's not "my" bible only. It's your bible too. Get it? Attacking it is your reflex, but as muslim, we have to reconsile it with our flawed beliefs. In other words, we need to unlear some things, and learn lots more still. What you are doing here instead, is you turn and attack your own religion, trying to re-invent large chunks of it to suit your flawed ideas. Learn scripture, and relate to God by getting to know him. Instead you are telling him what he can or can't do...
@celltechlars "It's not "my" bible only. It's your bible too. Get it?" no, Bible contains some words of The God, words of prophets and words of religious clerics. In other words it is known as interpolation. Therefore The Bible is not 100 percent word of The God.
@celltechlars "Instead you are telling him what he can or can't do..." sorry I disagree, The God does what are majestic which fit His attributes. Example The God dying is un ungodly action therefore it does not fit to His majestic attributes, not to mention The God is The Ever Living.
@micheal74rich "The Prophet never taught his followers ...." You are right. Muhammad never taught anything new. There isn't a single idea or revelation that weren't already well established. He taught very little in fact, of anything. But as muslims, we believe in all the prophets, and seeing that they taught a great deal, and mostly their teachings were incredibly enlightening and completely original, we had better obey Allah, and take on his prophets lessons. You have not done so.
@micheal74rich Moses, Abraham, Solomon,Ezra, Nehemiah,Samuel, Joshua, David, Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zaphaniah, Haggai, Zchariah, Malachi, John and Jesus all knew God very well. These are most of "Your" prophets. You reject them and you are no longer muslim. You ignore them, and you finish up like you have now. Without any foundation of understanding, confused and conflicted. Brother, you have it in your power. Repent.
@micheal74rich As for the book of Isaiah, you would do well to remember that it is Gods eternal word. And what God tells us is that even our good deeds are as bloodied "menstrual"rags. You will struggle with this, because you like what you believe, and don't care to listen to God. He is holy, perfect and pure. We are nothing of the sort. Our hearts are decietful, and desperately wicked. We can not save our selves, with "good deeds". The wages of sin is death. We need salvation. Read scripture.
@celltechlars "The wages of sin is death. We need salvation. Read scripture." An analogy: lets say you owe me $100, I come along and tell you, I will forgive your $100 owing but your fifth generation has to pay me the $100. Lets get back to the real question now.
@celltechlars Am I forgiving your $100 owing? Naturally I am not. Likewise, if someone must be killed for the sins of another, where is the forgiving nature of The God? Or the mercy of the God it does not exists. Your core believe is that there is no salvation without killing of the Jesus, which eliminate the fact, The God's The mercy and The Forgiving nature come to non-existence in the nature of the God.
@micheal74rich Gods people were not given the law in Gods hope that we would keep it, but to show us that we are fallen, as sinners. We can not keep the law. Our sins stain us like bloodied rags. And symbolically killing a unblemished lamb for atonement of our sins, was how God gave Moses the law. Along with every concept of justice known to man. But God loves us. He humbled himself(strong Gods only), and came to us as one of us, and loved us, and chose to suffer with us. He is truly powerful.
@celltechlars "And symbolically killing a unblemished lamb for atonement of our sins," How can you atone The God, when The God supposedly own everything in the universe ?
"He humbled himself(strong Gods only), and came to us as one of us," We heard this from 100 million Hindu's gods as well. Jesus claimed explicitly at John 5:30, as "I cannot do anything in my own free will" But you silly billy claims that Jesus is The God.
@micheal74rich All the prophets taught that God was a God of love and compassion. A God who wept for us. Jesus wept. Abraham was told to go to the altar and sacrifice to God. He asked God about what he should sacrifice...he had no lamb. God said I will provide the lamb. Jesus came as the lamb of God, and he(God), willingly suffered on our behalf, and laid down his life so that we may live.Sin=death. Someone has to die for my sins. God loves me so much, he willingly suffered death in my place.
@micheal74rich This and more make up the theme of the Bible. Old testament, starting with moses, points towards Jesus, forgiveness, Gods love for us, our needy and hopeless condition, our need for salvation. In fact the old testament essentially teaches the same as the new testament. It is all Gods living word.It teaches us what God is like, that he is good, and loving, and patient, and personal. That he wants us to have personal relations with us. Muhammad knew virtually nothing of God.
@celltechlars It is funny, you are not thinking but rather being programmed to talk like a robot or not being analytical. "that he is good, and loving, and patient, and personal. " but still requires this: "Someone has to die for my sins."
@micheal74rich And this is how you end up in this delemma. Your position makes no sense. Even if, (as you will point out), I'm wrong to believe what God's (other)prophets taught. Rideculing the teachings that neither you or Muhammad cared to learn, doesn't help the impossibility that Islam constantly struggles to maintain. Islam is nothing without the bible. It can only exist by what you are doing here. You're afraid. Yet you are much smarter than this. I know you are. You can change for good.
@celltechlars "Someone has to die for my sins." Likewise in all pagan religions and you conflicted and contradicted after you agreed to that The God does not require blood, flesh, killing or crime-against humanity for someone else to be forgiven: "Well said. I agree. Why say our prophets ever taught such rubbish?"
@micheal74rich This sort of struggle is not to be discouraged. My disapointment in you is that you have not made any progress whatso ever over a 12 month period. Instead you seem to have become solidified in this intransient position. You are posting claims as though they are gospel truth endorsed by Muhammad himself, when the opposite is in fact the case. Read the Gospels. The very same gospels that Muhammad tells about. Denying what they teach is not an option as a Muslim. You can do better.
"gospel truth endorsed by Muhammad himself, when the opposite is in fact the case." Where in my 3 points that I brought the Prophet into the equation?
@micheal74rich " Where in my 3 points that I brought the Prophet into the equation?"
You do it indirectly. Muhammad taught us that Biblical text is God's word, and on several occasions he endorsed it in no uncertain terms. No where is it suggested that the Bible was corrupted. You are in direct opposition with Muhammad when you write your claims. So was he wrong? Was he foolish, and you're the new prophet ?
@celltechlars "Islam doesn't teach what you have here. However, if changed your claims into questions, they'd be really good ones to ask. Why not seek real answers instead." My 3 points are not my claim but they are universal facts, they are as follows: The God do not commit evil, The God do not require blood, flesh, killing or crime-against humanity for someone else to be forgiven.
@micheal74rich "The God do not commit evil, The God do not require blood, flesh, killing or crime-against humanity for someone else to be forgiven. "
Well said. I agree. Why say our prophets ever taught such rubbish? It certainly isn't found in holy scripture. I feel that you are attributing these absurd teachings to bible, so as to discredit it. You feel threatened by it, especially because you don't understand it. But I believe you are highly capable to understand.
@micheal74rich With increased understanding of scripture and our God as he reveals himself, theological problems will increase rapidly, with regards to Islamic doctrine, tradition and history. But this is exactly what muslims need ever so desperately. Issuing lame death fatwahs against any one who dares question Islamic scrpture, history or prophet, ensures muslims remain a long long way from God. Afraid and cut off. This is grivious to me, and a great injustice against the next generation.
@celltechlars The God is absolute independent from everything that exists on Earth. The God did not subjected mercy and salvation upon blood, flesh killing or in the crime against the humanity.
@micheal74rich I will put it in simple terms, friend. If you are right about your claims(you may well be right), than Qur'an/Muhammad is wrong on several points in more ways than one. Hence your position "as a muslim", is untenable...unless you have an explanation that the world has not yet found.... I'm just saying....
I regret my rudeness in one or two spots earlier on, I did not intend to offend, only to gain your attention. I'm sorry, it was uncalled for.
@celltechlars "If you are right about your claims(you may well be right), than Qur'an/Muhammad is wrong on several points in more ways than one." Neither the Quran nor the Prophet in opposition with The God.
@micheal74rich Ok, if you say so... only if so, please explain who or what is infact wrong than. They can't all be right. And this is how you've come right around in full circle, refusing to address the complety obvious imposibility of your position(unless you know something the rest of the world doesn't). Your insistance to be right in this without at least offering some possible way to reconciliation of the dicotomies is really a little childish, and not befitting to your inteligence.
@celltechlars "I'm wrong to believe what God's (other)prophets taught." You not only wrong to believe in such way but you also attribute pagan ideology to The God as someone has to die for one's sin. The God chose to become human like in Hinduism. Jesus never claimed as he is The God, on the contrary Bible says, Jesus does not know The Hour and Jesus will be sitting right side of The God. Imagine how rubbish it sounds The God sits right side of The God.
@micheal74rich I agree that the way it looks to you, it makes little sense. I also know that you are unable to see this(or anything), in an objective way. Even though you are obviously inteligent. You only see through the lens of Islam. My point in all this is, and has been all along, that even if you are basically right, you are also therefor basically wrong. The impossible task of muslims is defending Muhammad and his claims. It can not be done. Denying any scripture at all doesn't help.
@celltechlars "I agree that the way it looks to you, it makes little sense." Thank God, that I have intellect that makes logical- sense and intellectual sense, not self-conflicting and self-contradicting knowledge, like those of Hindus, Buddhist, Sikh and Christians.
"I also know that you are unable to see this(or anything), in an objective way." You tried to construct an intellectually retarded or impossible theology as if The God is author of the confusion.
@micheal74rich No, actually you are. Muhammad endorsed the very scriptures that you openly refuted, presumably in the name of islam. It doesn't surprise me that you have completely avoided this simple and only issue that I have raised with you. All the rest here is secondary, and you know as well as I do, that you can not deal with this problem. It frightens you . Hence, you caqn not even admit to it. Your growth has stoped right there, and you can go no further. Islam is your dead end.
@celltechlars "Muhammad endorsed the very scriptures that you openly refuted". Here are verses that I endorsed came from The God.
God in Bible in deep sleep and your God is an alcoholic wakes up from hangover.
Psalm 44:23 Awake, O Lord! Why do you sleep? Rouse yourself! Do not reject us forever. Psalm 78:65 Then the Lord awoke as from sleep, as a man wakes from the stupor of wine.
The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.
@celltechlars Here is The God of the Bible is a fire breathing dragon.
2 Samuel 22:9 Smoke rose from his nostrils; consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it.
2 Samuel 22:16 The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of breath from his nostrils
. Muhammad endorsed the very scriptures that you openly refuted, presumably in the name of islam. It doesn't surprise me that you have completely avoided this simple and only issue that I have raised with you. All the rest here is secondary, and you know as well as I do, that you can not deal with this problem. It frightens you . Hence, you caqn not even admit to it. Your growth has stoped right there, and you can go no further. Islam is your dead end.
@micheal74rich The other thing is, and I will point out how completely lame it feels to have to tell you this, the verses that you quote, along with countless others that shallow muslims gleefully wield about, pose no problem what soever. It is to your shame that you resort to scripture quotes, like you have here. I find it equally disapointing when Quranic verses are quoted to supposedly show the irrationality or violence of Islam. Any fool can come with this. You could rise above this level.
@celltechlars "Quranic verses are quoted to supposedly show the irrationality or violence of Islam." Irrationality bring them on. Violence in Islamic history was because, there are many pagan arabs wanted to exterminate muslims and the Prophet where muslim/the Prophet had to flee to other neighboring countries for survival.
@celltechlars When you study science and technology they say it, anything that cannot be explain in simple equation, it doomed to fail, as The God created the World around you in constructive rules and follows an order, which does not create chaos and confusion to those study in the realm of science and technology.
@celltechlars All glory belong to The God who is not the author of confusion and chaos. One cannot be an intellectually / logically sound and be Hindus, Buddhist, Sikh or Christians because to follow these religions one must bury his or her logical sense.
@micheal74rich Jesus never claimed... Micheal, let's be honest here for a moment...you're not familiar with Islamic sacred texts. Regardless of wether you include biblical scripture or exclude it from this, you are even less well versed of the bible than you are of the authorative Islamic scriptures. If I ask you about the themes of the book of Daniel, or the message of John the babtist, you'll have little to draw on, for example.
@micheal74rich I'm not going to explain how thoroughly you are mistaken about what scripture teaches. I find it embarressing when an inteligent muslim becomes entrenched with discrediting the very scriptures upon which Islam completely depends, for authenticity. That the biblical text is not helpfull in authenticating Islam, is incidental. Attacking Biblical scripture only discredits Islam, because Islam needs the bibles authenticity. You pretend not to see this. You damage youself this way.
@celltechlars "I find it embarressing when an inteligent muslim becomes entrenched with discrediting the very scriptures upon which Islam completely depends, for authenticity." You are entitled for your opinion about Islam. Islam can withstand on its own even in the absence of the Quran and The Prophet, yet alone your disregarded authenticity "very scriptures" has no merits at the presence of the Quran and The Prophet.
@micheal74rich Regarding: " Islam can withstand on its own even in the absence of the Quran and The Prophet,"
What do you mean...please explain. Is this your line of reasoning? OMG ! Could it be that you're not brainwashed, but braindead? If you feel compelled to attack biblical text, when you can not make sense from Qur'an, and predictably this only worsens your confusion, than we simply assume that Islam needs neither Prophet nor Qur'an? That's an impressive piece of self delusion, brother.
"OMG ! Could it be that you're not brainwashed, but braindead?" I was giving you concrete evidence verses from your Bible which goes against nature of The God but you are not reasonable enough to think to that extend that The God would say or do things which contradict His majestic nature and attributes.
@celltechlars "What do you mean...please explain." I honestly think you do not have the reasoning and logical mind set for you to understand any of the explanation that I gave you, therefore anything more than I have given you, won't make any differences.
@micheal74rich Anyhow, I sincerely hope that you will find suffician faith to move beyond your compulsion to see fault in pre-islamic scripture, in your bid to find peace with Islam. If you cannot reconsile your beliefs with biblical texts, than you really aren't a faithful muslim at all. Your'e still at an insecure "baby" stage, and really, until you actually study scripture, and gain understanding, you're neither here or there. Praying and fasting won't make you a muslim on the inside.
@celltechlars "If you cannot reconsile your beliefs with biblical texts," First you reconcile with this verses from Bible, where The God wanted to make someone to fornicate in the open public in the broad day light in front of mass audience.
"Your'e still at an insecure "baby" stage" Thanks for the recognition. I rather choose logical reasoning and intellect over your Bible.
"This is what the LORD says: 'Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. 12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.' "
@celltechlars "you're neither here or there." It is funny, you are person of logic and reasoning to make such comments, you could not even debunk any of my argument that I brought forward against your pangan religion. Therefore you are entitle for your opinion.
"Praying and fasting won't make you a muslim on the inside" The Muslims way of praying and fasting not only done by muslims, it was done by all the prophets ever came to Earth, fell down on their face and prayed likewise for fasting.
@micheal74rich "you could not even debunk" ...quoting scripture verses out of context is so lame...be it anti-islamic or anti biblical... there are contradictions and absurdities in both camps. We can see many posts doing this all over youtube. I was trying to point this out previously. You seemed to feel challenged and answered with "bring them on"...lol. As amuslim, you have not got the option of criticising bible text. You are pretending not to know this already. Lying even.
@micheal74rich Biblical text needn't be "debunked", it needs to be understood. And as muslim, it needs to be reconsiled with Islamic doctrine, as scholars very well know. It can't reasonably be done, and still, critique of bible simply isn't an option, for a thinking, rational muslim. Do what scholars do, Micheal....pretend the problem doesn't exist. I said I wouldn't do this for you, but a couple of verses can't hurt. There are many more, that condemn your blasphemous position...find them.
@micheal74rich Bible hasn't changed. Just ask Muhammad !
Sura 80.13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity), KEPT PURE AND HOLY,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.
Sura 5:68 Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye STAND FAST BY the Law, THE GOSPEL, and ALL THE REVELATION that has come to you from YOUR Lord."
Forget debunking, lameboy. Study your sacred texts instead, and become a real muslim...
@celltechlars People of the Book, do not go to excess in your religion, and do not say anything about God except the truth: the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers and do not speak of a 'Trinity'—stop, that is better for you—God is only one God, He is far above having a son, everything in the heavens and earth belongs to Him and He is the best one to trust. Qur'an 4:171
@ArmenFirman01 Reg. " Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him."
You might try actually reading the gospels, and see what Jesus said he was. And see what Jesus did. Your comment is mildly amusing, and blasphemous as muslim. Was Jesus a liar? Was Muhammad a liar ? If not, then you certainly are. Unless you're some kind of "new" prophet... are you ?
@celltechlars "Ye stand by fast" whom is he talking to?
true he sent the law the gospel to moses and jesus but they have been corrupted
Then woe to those who write the Book [Old Testament] with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79
@ArmenFirman01 This is interesting. You need to regard the context. Jews (some , ) would sell false verses etc...well explained by islamic scholars. No scholars claim that scriptures have been changed. Scrolls -pre-islamic where all over the world, and all changed? by whome ? and all at once ? Where is the original ? you haven't got one. No one believes in changed script. Only naive, uneducated muslims do. Ref. dead sea scrolls...no changes...lol
@celltechlars Quoting the Quran out of context to prove you are right means you never read the book! like many on youtube you get by islam hating site copy and paste verses whithout checking the context of the verse!
The trinity is something Jews and Muslims will never accept! Yet muslims love Jesus more than you do and honor him! keep believing in Paul the imposter he is your prophet... Pauline christianity is full of myth, superstition and fable
@ArmenFirman01 Firstly, my quotes are very much "in context". Please explain the "context" that I should be applied...I read plenty. The verses are unmistakable. There are many more. i.e.Sura 5.43 to 5.48...context enough for you?
Trinity is not a biblical word, and rarely do I meet a muslim who understands what it means when used to refer to gospels.The gospels say what they say. Call it trinity or one God,it still says what it says.Reject it and you call Muhammad a liar. And Jesus.
Muslims have a dualistic religion where it says in their Quran to love, then it says to kill. Rather scitzophrenic.
69MrLoverBoy69 1 week ago
I have to disagree with you ..
Muslims Do Love Jesus Peace Be upon Him and we respect all kind of religions including Christian..
You Should Correct Your information :\
TheFrayRocks1000 1 month ago
This dude is an ignorant idiot. Muslims do love Jesus.
NiceeGuyz 1 month ago
wow racist much?
RockNinjaToska 1 month ago
I totally agree with this guy,, all U need to do is check what Moham-mad.. really was. HE GOT RAPE AND ABUSE BY "the angel' who gave him some revelations". A "pedophile, murder, THERE'S NO PROPHECY FROM HIM (sura 10:94/3:81)..Their moon god says,, Don' ever go to peace if U r stronger.. slay'em when U catch 'em. Burn their scriptures of your enemies. And many more things totally out of a LOVELY GOD LIKE JESUS!! Alla is just one of their 300 + idols in their places. WANT MORE?
demetrixxxable 1 month ago
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XxI3ioHazardxX 1 month ago
we love Jesus peace be upon him ..but we warship none but ALLAH the lord of Moses Jesus and our master Muhammed peace and blessing be upon them all
MrBigboss20011 2 months ago
Alot of what they say is based on history, christians are not a peaceful people. I am not muslim and I despise christianity more than you can fathom. It is a disease of this planet. Jesus was a man, and he would cry over the things that people do in his name. Muslims don't dislike Jesus, just his misled fanclub. I have never been mistreated or discriminated against by muslims, jews, hindus, buddhists, atheists, wiccans, or agnostics...Just christians. Christianity is obsolete, and YOU are wrong.
HeppinnMelrakki 4 months ago
@HeppinnMelrakki It seems that U have no idea what r u talking about. Have read the Bible?.. Do you know the msg that it brings to humanity? Or U r just talking cuz "they" told you. And don' talk about the "christians".. cuz no one is perfect, talk about what the book really tells you. Jesus was not just a simple man.. HE WAS fully man and FULLY GOD.. John 1:1-14. All religions got something good.. BUT JESUS IS NOT A RELIGION CUZ THERE'S NO RULES.. AND JESUS GOT THE WHOLE PACKAGE..!
demetrixxxable 1 month ago
Islam teaches Jesus is real and he is prophet. We love all of God's prophets including Jesus (pbuh)
MJacksonFakeDeath 5 months ago
first of all, Jesus was a Jewish while a Jewish denies the existence of Jesus then jesus declared his religion called Christianity but Christianity came from the words, crucifixion, crucified, cross, chris. basically its a religion of the cross if u translated in Arabic or Hebrew, However in Arabic its called Almsayaheh which means religion of the messiah,Last, there is no original script however they got the translated pages.future reference:Christianity was disappeared during the middle ages
jubani93 5 months ago
The irony is the so called majority of christians today dont even follow Jesus Christ's teachings (pbuh) like:
*Dont eat pork
*Dont drink alchohol
*Dont have sex before marriage
*Circumcision
*Believe in the coming of the last messenger.
Guess what? All PRACTICING MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN IT!
Now go back to eating your McDonald bacon hamburgers and put up I love Jesus Christ's slogans. He will just roll his eyes at you. ;)
Kiyamlol 5 months ago
@Kiyamlol hahah where in the Bible says that? I think U got no idea what U r saying,, that was in the old testament.. JESUS brought a new covenant,, and I thin U either don' know that Moham-mad was a pedophile and an murder, Whoever didn' take his "religion".. was kiled.. just like the quran says.. sura 2-191.. slay 'em whenever u catch 'em. sura 45:35/ 5:9-29 Fight those who don' believe in Mohammad. Don' ever go to peace if U r stronger. So it seems that U just don' have idea,
demetrixxxable 1 month ago
@demetrixxxable he is referred to as Isa (pbuh) in the quran and his mother Mary is Maryam ( there is a whole chapter about her alone), likewise the other prophets. Muhammad pbuh is not the only prophet. The prophets mentioned range All the way from Adam and Hawwa ( Eve), Ibrahim (Abraham), Isa ( Jesus) and finally to Muhammad (peace be upon them all) and others. What your listening is all lies conveyed by the biased media. Read the original quran and not from incorrect sources.
Kiyamlol 1 month ago
@Kiyamlol UUMm again.. U don' make sense man.. First of all.. Adan and Eve were not "prophets.. and JESUS IS not a "prophet" HE IS THE CREATOR..OF EVERYTHING ON THE UNIVERSE.!! Jesus says,, Before Abraham was, I am" Jonh 8:56-59. The book of John,, tells U exactly that Jesus and God are the same thing in the whole book. But one thing U guys don'have is what it says on Corntns2:12-16. Cuz U haven' receive the "holy spirit yet". Where we r going,, we don' need flesh and blood.!!
demetrixxxable 1 month ago
@Kiyamlol So just to finish this round.. where in the quran. talks about moha-mad being on heaven? What is his "prophecy"?sura 10:94&3:81. What miracles did He do? If He was bigger than Jesus.. how come he is not coming back with power and glory like JESUS IS GONNA DO IT? Mark 13:26, Mattew 24:30, Luke 21:20-28. U guys are been indoctrinated and lied to. There's no guarantee on your "god" which is one of the 365 for every day on your places. and from a "pedophile" and murder, thief & more.
demetrixxxable 1 month ago
@demetrixxxable Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14 and as for other versus look for it yourself. I shouldn't have to tell you if you truly know your bible.
Kiyamlol 1 month ago
@Kiyamlol UUmm Not close bro,, that part it talks about the "holy spirit"..no the "fake prophet'.. Look what it says on John 14:16-17..That is the spirit of truth, whom the world can not receive, because it does not see HIM or know Him, but U know Him because He dwelleth with you and will be in YOU. And then it talks about U guys of the "islam".. on John 16:2-4. Read the whole chap. The only part where it talks about "moha-mad is on revltins where the fake prophet is thrown out to hell.
demetrixxxable 1 month ago
This guy in this video is obviously a moron. Obviously has no knowledge of the qu'ran and has made his made up opinions.
FOR YOUR INFORMATION:
Muslims ADORE Jesus Christ, we believe in him and ALL the other prophets. In fact the majority of muslims follow most of Jesus Christ's teachings along with the other prophets and the last prophet ( peace be upon them ALL ).
Jesus's name in the qu'ran the arabic name is Isa Bin Maryam which translates to Jesus son of Mary.
Kiyamlol 5 months ago
the old testament doesnt talk about muhammad in any shape or form ..it talks about the coming messiah who was like moses .. jesus came to be the final sacrifice for the sins of the world , unless you believe your a sinner and need to be forgiven , then you will not enter heavens gates ..this includes muhammad also..
fordatude 5 months ago
And the bible (old testament) talks about Prophet Muhammad too. A noble monk named Bahri met the prophet when he was a little boy. Bahri predicted that Muhammad was going to be a noble leader and messenger of God. And if your going to accuse Islam being no peaceful, then why are there so many different branches of Christianity? You guys are not even united as one, so how does that say peace? Christainity was spread by the sword and Islam was spread by trade.
meepmeep95 6 months ago
@meepmeep95 why there are so many branches in the islamic faith? there are sunni, shia, sufi, salafi (wahabi), deobandi, ahmadiyya. Are they the same religion or not? Also I know shias are image worshippers.
llKeon 5 months ago
For your information the Quran talks about the divine birth of Jesus and the miracles he performed (such as revitalizing the dead, and how he healed the sick, blind, and people with lepers). So don't be making accusations and stupid claims about Islam if your closed minded. OBVIOUSLY you have not read the Quran. And if you guys want to go after some one for denouncing Jesus, go after the Jews. They denounce him and he is not credited in the Torah. They went against his teachings.
meepmeep95 6 months ago
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meepmeep95 6 months ago
Guess what im a Muslim kid and Islam is promotes peace, Prophet Mohamed disagreed strongly with violence. Yes we do believe in Jesus he is mentioned in the quran a lot. Look UP Surah Maryam
Sweetyoungdude97 6 months ago
sorry i dont agree with you we love jesus peace be upon him
ghazalsidra11 6 months ago
And to some of you. Did not the manuscripts warn, by (jesus) that a fake messiah would come? Did not (jesus) say, that many false prophets would come. I know there is a name game going on with Atheists, and all religions. But I tell you, the character of the man that was crucified, has shown itself to those who can see. And all the manuscripts for which all the above, pull vast debates, all come from the same first manuscripts. Everyone is fighting over who (christ) was, and some denounce him.
OmegaX2Z 6 months ago
Christians love the messiah Christ. True Christians love "I am that I am", and would never cause harm to anyone, unless it is to protect their very lives from extremist. Christians have heard the testimony of The Messiah. Anyone who harms a true christian, is in fact, harming G-ds people. For Christ has spoken truth, and revealed the character of G-d. Some of you fight for reasons that are not peaceful. Some seek sensationalism, and rituals, and greed, and declaration of state and ethnicity.
OmegaX2Z 6 months ago
@BosphorusLover You dont no what your talking about. Christians see Jesus as God on earth, the centre of our beliefs without him we have nothing, islam see Jesus as a prophet, you dont believe he died on the cross. Listen try reading the new testement look at the life Jesus lived, he was a kind loving man. Then look at mohammad the murderer who married a 6year old and had sex with her. You cant get much further away from God's teachings than that act.
luckieian 7 months ago
Islam is full of hate,, nothing new to that just look back and see mohammad the murderer, as well as mohammad having sex with children...mohammad was a monster.
luckieian 7 months ago
Okay if Islam is so hateful than why is the Christian religion not even united itself. You guys have about 24 different branches of Christianity. Then how come Christianity was spread by the sword and not trade like Islam. Why is there racism incorporated with your religion (KKK, Nazis, slaver, and hate crimes that happen here in America by White supremacy groups)? You forget? huh? You forget everything. So before you make ignorant statements on Islam don't be so hypercritical.
meepmeep95 6 months ago
@meepmeep95 I completely agree with you about that. But my goodness is this video racist. How can you target any race of people and say ohh they are all bad sheesh. This world is so damn fucked up.
RockNinjaToska 1 month ago
Why was Jesus screaming "Eloi , Oh Eloi, help me" on the cross? Eloi means God in Aramaic so was he praying to himself? How contradictory is that? My source is the Old Testament.
meepmeep95 6 months ago
@meepmeep95 Jesus shouted Eloi why have you forsaken me. The source you read isnt true because Jesus says it in the New Testement. If you wish to have a true brother of love you need to turn to Jesus as your saviour, who loves you but cant help you until you turn away from islam. mohamad's life was a sewer sex with a young girl murder rape surely God wouldnt sent a man to save you for him to live like that. Jesus was pure.
luckieian 5 months ago
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Jesus (PBUH) is mine!!! :) he was A MUSLIM! YOU WILL COME TO KNOW!
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ZaeemIslamSoldier 7 months ago
This guy is lying and knows nothing about Islam.. We love Jesus and follow his teachings better than christians..this speaking untruth.... May you recieve your just reward for all that you lead astray..
DORRIAN33 8 months ago
LoL.. this is ridiculous.. we love jesus (muslims)... just look at what the jews say about jesus and Mary in the TALMUD!! its shameful, i dont even want to speak of that perversion.. MUSLIMS LOVE JESUS!! HE IS SACRED TO US!! PEACE BE UPON HIM..
wailonkok 8 months ago
Simple solution to this problem..Go and ask Allah the truth....after that if allah do not respond ..then Go ask Jesus the truth,.bring the name Jesus..just try it i dare all...seek him ..dont ask your neigboor or anyone just ask God..what is his name..or say " Jesus if your really a God show me the truth".. God bless
stepinside2007 8 months ago
If anybody here wants proof ..i cant give you ,but my God will answer it for you.. Go ask him with all your heart and strength. Fast and pray ..Go ask him what is the truth ..then you will find what is the truth..I dare you to use the name of Jesus..just try..and about Mary the mother of God they say she is now at peace and has no idea that some christians are worshiping her...God is angry about it right now..Only God can hear our prayers ..because apart from him no one can save,
stepinside2007 8 months ago
Obviously, you know nothing. The Quran said 1400 years ago that everything was made from water, that the universe is expanding, that the moon does not emit its own light. The Quran also first introduced the helio-centric system, the sun's lifetime, the food cycle. And also the Quran told us 1400 many unknown facts about animals. Such as ant communication, locusts fly in swarms, and the life of bees. AND MANY MORE.
AllahuAkbar377 8 months ago
According to the Koran has no right to exist for Christians and Jews.
hezi0509 9 months ago
You don't understand what I'm saying. If someone oppresses you on a small-scale you should not harm them back, then you will be rewarded. But, if someone physically harms you and your loved one, will you turn the other cheek? Answer that for me. If someone wages war on you and your loved ones, it's in human nature to defend yourself! But Islam NEVER condones fighting someone without them fighting you first.
AllahuAkbar377 9 months ago
why you're so ignorent. i'm sure that these kinds of videos make muslims hate you. cuz there are 150% lies about islam. it's impossible to be a muslim without believing in jesus christ (pbuh) and we love jesus more than you do. if jesus died on the crossthen you should hate the cross not love it. so if we suppose jesus died on an electric chair ,would you put an electric chair on your nick. wow can you use you minds a little.
90almaro 9 months ago
WTF WHY LISTEN TO HIS OWN OPINION ? ISN'T EVERYONE ABLE TO DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH INSTEAD OF TAKING SOMEONE ELS [ SECONDARY RESEARCH] OPINION.
jubani93 10 months ago
for all who do not understand ... He is saying you are anti Massiah Muslims are Killers
carareneesmom 10 months ago
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for all who do not understand ... He is saying you are anti Massiah
carareneesmom 10 months ago
IM A MUSLIM NOW I HATED MOST CHRISTIANS AFTER THIS FILTHY VIDEO.
jubani93 10 months ago
You are 110% WRONG! A part of a Muslim's faith is to believe and love ALL the prophets, INCLUDING JESUS (AS). Muslims love Jesus (AS) and Mary, and in fact, there is a whole CHAPTER in the Quran named after Mary. Also, it's disliked very much for a Muslim to speak the name of Jesus (AS) without sending blessing upon him. And finally, Muslims obey the commandments of Jesus more than Christians do. So on this basis, I conclude that MUSLIMS LOVE JESUS (AS) MORE!
AllahuAkbar377 10 months ago 4
@AllahuAkbar377 You would have concluded wrong my friend. Type in Muslim Persecution and only thing you will find is Muslims all over the world killing people. The truth shall set you free MUSLIMS ARE KILLERS
carareneesmom 10 months ago
@carareneesmom
What does that have anything to do with our immense love for Jesus AS? In fact, you are generalizing. Just because you see some 'Muslim' killing people, does that mean all Muslim are killers? I'm a Muslim, and I've never hurt a fly. Please, do some research.
AllahuAkbar377 10 months ago
@AllahuAkbar377 yes, thats why those 19 wonderful god loving muslims killed over 3000 people on 9/11 and al queda have vowed to kill more! thats real love,friend!you dont know the first thing about jesus! he preached love not hatred and violence like is contained in the quran.there are over 100 verses in the quran calling for muslims to wage war against non believers and to quote"kill infidels where ever they are hiding".
btflash55 9 months ago
@btflash55 Are you really going to base your opinion on 1 billion people just because of what 19 people did? God says in the Quran (I'm paraphrasing from memory):
-Do not obey the believers, but do not harm them.
-Whoever kills one soul, unless for corruption done in the land, it's as if he killed all of mankind.
As for the verses in the Quran about waging war, these are misunderstood. They are telling the prophet to wage war and defend his people.
AllahuAkbar377 9 months ago
@AllahuAkbar377 really? heres a few you may have forgotten.believers ,do not make friends with any but your own people.when ye meet unbelievers smite at their necks! take not jews and christians as friends,they are but friends to each other.seek out your enemies relentlessly!make war on nonbelievers and deal rigorously with them!fight against those to whom scriptures were given.(christians and jews).thats just a few examples . i can go on and on.what love and tolerance for others!
btflash55 9 months ago
@btflash55
You are taking most of these out of context. Read Al-Nisa' (89-91) and Al-Baqarah (190-194).
Also, most of the verses you speak of REFER TO A BATTLE THE PROPHET WAS IN. Allah SWT was telling HIM (SAW) to smite the disbelievers in battle. And if you read the rest of the verse, it should make more sense, Insha Allah.
As for not making friends with disbelievers. If we befriend them, this can ultimately mislead us. it is best for our religion to only befriend Muslims.
AllahuAkbar377 9 months ago
@AllahuAkbar377 you mean they are out of context in your opinion because you dont agree.all those quotes are from different portions of the quran. they are not referring to a specific battle. i can give you the specific verses they came from if you wish.if you cannot make friends with others whose religious opinions differ from your own then i put it to you that islam is a religion of intolerance towards others !you have made my point, sir!
btflash55 9 months ago
@AllahuAkbar377 i am aware of the rest of the verses but youtube limits the amount of words i need to respond so i omitted them for that reason.as i have stated in an earlier post islam does not preach tolerance for others as christianity does or more specifically as our lord and savior jesus christ did!christ did not preach about killing those whose beliefs differed as islam does. instead he taught us to love them and embrace them in his name.
btflash55 9 months ago
@AllahuAkbar377 when a true christian is wronged he turns the other cheek and loves his assailant. a muslim declares jihad and kills him! again, that is a big difference and is not tolerant nor benevolant!
btflash55 9 months ago
@btflash55 That's against human nature! If someone comes and tortures you and your whole family, you're going to just turn the other cheek?
AllahuAkbar377 9 months ago
@AllahuAkbar377 you mean "your" human nature.an animal 'reacts" to acts of violence. again, my friend you make my point. your doing more to make my argument valid than i am. a true christian forgives those who have wronged him. thats the lesson christ taught us. . peace and love.your faith teaches intolerance,hatred against those who are different and revenge and retribution against those who have wronged you.that is a religion based on fear,and hatred not love.
btflash55 9 months ago
@AllahuAkbar377 "love your enemies. do good to those who hate you.""bless them that curse you and pray for them who despitefully use you"."do unto others as you would have others do unto you".that is the message of jesus christ. you say you regard him as a prophet yet you choose to ignore his message of peace and love and embrace fear,loathing and revenge.sorry , but that doesnt sound like a loving religion to me.
btflash55 9 months ago
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exactly. couldn't have said it better.
JanuaryBlack1996 9 months ago
@AllahuAkbar377 funny you say this yet you don't believe he was the son of god fortold in the old testiment . If you actualy did believe in the teachings of jesus you would know he is the truth and the light , he even warned you about false prophets apearing after him and the old and new testiment was the only bible .John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
GrayWulf316 8 months ago
@GrayWulf316 I do believe in the teachings of Jesus (AS). And nowhere in his teachings does he say he's God. By the way, The Bible foretold the coming of Muhammad.
Do you honestly think that GOD has a son? Please, tell me, why would he need a son? It's illogical, if he wanted to convey a message, he has messengers.
AllahuAkbar377 8 months ago
@AllahuAkbar377 (John 6:35), the water of life (John 7:37-38); the light of the world (John 8:12), the good shepherd (John 10:11), the son of God (John 10:36), the resurrection and the life (John 11:25), the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6), the true vine (John 15:1), and the king of the Jews (John 18:37).
Do you know of any archeological inscription dated within 100 years of Muhammad's death where he is called a prophet? If so, please name it.
GrayWulf316 8 months ago
@GrayWulf316 Wow. NONE of those citations CLEARLY state that he is a God. "The son of God", doesn't say begotten son. Where in the Bible does he (AS) CLEARLY say "I am God, worship me." If you can't find that, your argument is only opinionated.
The only archeological inscription that comes to mind would be Abdul Malik's inscription on the Dome of the Rock, which stated that God is one, Muhammad is his prophet.
AllahuAkbar377 8 months ago
@AllahuAkbar377 so you admit you can no more prove muhammed was a prophet than i can prove jesus said he was son of god simpley because jesus never wrote a book his disciples did and because you muslims are the way you are you say Oh they were men so they mad mistakes same as i can say the quran was written by men as well so in short we are at a stale mate however i can prove that muhammed his family and islam is based on arabic paganism
GrayWulf316 8 months ago
@GrayWulf316
The Quran clearly stated that Muhammad was a prophet NUMEROUS times. Tell me, if you claim that Muhammad wasn't a prophet, how can an ordinary man convince SO many people in his time that he was a prophet. He did so many things for other people and never asked for anything back. Wouldn't an ordinary man claim prophethood for fame or money? Well, Muhammad SAW was poor, and he was tortured constantly.
P.S, it's obvious that the Quran was not written by man.
AllahuAkbar377 8 months ago
@AllahuAkbar377 you are a fool ! remember a guy in waco texas named david karesh who also convinced allot of people he was a prophet also who also had sex with children just as muhammed did and to say muhammed never took anything is a lie do you not recall the quran talking about him dividing the bootey and the quran was written by man were does it say Allah came down and wrote it ? furthermore the quran is not a archeological evidence ! P.S. islam is a pagan religion twisted into islam!
GrayWulf316 8 months ago
@GrayWulf316 He may have convinced people who was a prophet, but he had no proof! Was he illiterate and still able to recite the most beautiful of words? Did he recite a book which told so many scientific facts that NO ONE of his time even had the equipment to discover? Was he described as the most humble, loving, and generous of people by all that met him? I don't think so.
The Quran was revealed to Muhammad by Allah SWT! He wrote absolutely nothing.
AllahuAkbar377 8 months ago
@AllahuAkbar377 umm what scientific facts you mean the one were muhammed said sperm comes from a mans middle area of the torso ? if thats the science you believe cut your nuts of now ! also any man with tallent can make beutiful words muhammed was not the 1st or last. and as many of you muslims have said god becoming a man was beneath him so why then would Allah write a book wouldnt that also be beneath a god of perfection so it was written by men who were pagan trying to rewrite jesus's story
GrayWulf316 8 months ago
@GrayWulf316 First of all, Muhammad was ILLITERATE so he couldn't write. I never said that God became a man! I said that GOD revealed the Quran to angel Jibreel (AS) who then descended to earth and revealed the Quran to Muhammad (SAW).
AllahuAkbar377 8 months ago
@AllahuAkbar377 and the quran was written by the easter bunny and the angle was from LA , you believe whatever lies you want . muhammed used scribes to write his fictional story then just like L ron hubbard got a bunch of people to believe the fiction he created and the CULT of ISlam was born its roots firmly placed in paganism and thanks to muhammed a jewish/christian twisted perspective was added and you fools have been covered in blood ever since
GrayWulf316 8 months ago
@GrayWulf316 Muhammad used scribes? Haha. What proof do you have. I can prove to you that Muhammad didn't write it, but obviously you can't prove that he did. Do you think the Quran was written all at once? You're telling me that everytime a verse was revealed he had to get scribes to write it?
The content of the Quran can prove that he didn't write it. Sometimes the Quran critisized Muhammad.
And lastly, explain all the scientific proofs in the Quran. How would he know?
AllahuAkbar377 8 months ago
@AllahuAkbar377 I ask you the same question what proof do you have that a man didn't write it other than the quran says an angle revealed it ? satan can apear as an angle or i can write and angle revealed it to mickey mouse , still doesnt make it true ! you were not alive 1400 years ago so you can't prove anything , also i never said muhammed was stupid lots of people were illiterate back then i think he was very smart he brainwashed all the followers of islam who believe his fictional storys
GrayWulf316 8 months ago
@AllahuAkbar377 i totally agree with you...not all muslim hate christians.. ..im a christian and this guy is talking like hes God..are you a muslim??
stepinside2007 8 months ago
@stepinside2007 I'm glad to hear so. It's very refreshing to meet people like you! :)
And you're right, he doesn't know what's truly in people's hearts, only God does. And yes, I am Muslim and I'm proud to say that I love Jesus (AS) and you for the sake of Allah.
May God bless you.
AllahuAkbar377 8 months ago
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God created light and darkness, places and spaces, time and Heaven and Hell. God existed without a place and existed without taking up space. God was not in the Heavens. God exists without a place, and without taking up space. God is not physical nor in a place. God is not a "man in the sky" nor is God a physical thing. God does not manifest/change. Change is from a superior state to inferior or vice versa, God is Perfect & clear of it. God doesn't need anything to exist, including space/place
MrYusuf99 11 months ago
"Muslims Hate Christians and Jesus Christ" Wrong, By saying "Muslims" you are saying all Muslims, I'm Muslim, I dont hate Christians, So to your first statement Wrong.. I love Jesus (pbuh) so wrong #2. We dont agree on who Jesus is, but that is not what you say, you say "Hate". I as a Muslim do not hate Christians or Jesus, so "Wrong" you are trying to build fear. shame on you. Not very Christian.
TheHoustonMuslim 1 year ago
stupid...
what is the most important is to improve the relation between islam n cristian...
not blame each of it without solution ....
perhaps that's how your religious teach..
hahhaha
morron.....
pakpE 1 year ago
1of3) Even in God less religion such as Buddhism people do agree that Buddha DO NOT encourage people to commit evil, yet alone God of monotheistic religion, the God of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus would not have encouraged Jewish people to kill Jesus in most barbaric way for sin of humanity, because the God is The Most Merciful and He forgives whom He wills, therefore barbaric killing of Jesus could not have come from God, simply because God do not encourage people to commit evil.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
2of3) The way Jesus died, inhumane, brutal, barbaric and humiliating & these evil acts could not have come from God. Because God do not commit evil, therefore Christianity never could have come from God, nor does God's mercy is subjugated to any substance on earth, including blood or killing because God is independent from everything that exists on Earth and heaven. Christianity could not have come from God, so Christians are doom to hell fire.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
3of3) God do not encourage people to commit evil, therefore Jesus' death in most humiliated way was work of bad Jewish people, could not have come from God, and attributing it unto God as if that God wants Jesus be killed for sins of humanity was even greater evil.
Further saying that God have a son is an accusation against God; it is like attributing human-like and animal-like properties (i.e. having sons and daughters) unto God is unforgiving sin. Christians do not realize this.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich Most of what you claim here, is based on assumption that Qur'an is correct. Hence your claims are weak by default. There is no limit to the critique that christians can level against Islamic scripture, when assuming that the bible is God's infallible word. Any fool can make your arrogant claims, and any fool can see what you are doing. Only you, it seems cannot. Take a close look at this (old) copy and past dribble, that you embaress yourself with. Have you nothing original?
celltechlars 1 year ago
@micheal74rich You seem to think that the bible has been corrupted/changed etc...as most shallow muslims do now a days. It's interesting that so called "scholars" of Islamic texts rarely agree to this claim when questioned over this belief. In fact this issue is one of countless problems for the Islamic claim of authenticity. Muhammad repeatedly endorsed Biblical texts(both testaments), and todays text is taken from the very same ancient texts(pre-islamic) that were used in muhammads days.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@micheal74rich The idea that Jews or anyone at all would have changed biblical scripture is ideotic in the extreme. There were countless copies made, and these had spread far and wide. Yet only the same original versions exist, from far and wide. The dead sea scrolls, include every book of the old testament eccept Ruth. And guess what, Micheal... not even one single change is to be found. At least Qur'an doesn't claim that changes were made.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@micheal74rich So why do muslims continue to obsess over this claim that scripture was corrupted ? Because muhammad, in his effort to appeal to jews and christians, was completely dependent on biblical text. Without it, Islam is nothing, has nothing, and this is why the bible is such a thorn. A thorn for you too, Micheal. Muhammad had little knowledge of what the Gospels actually taught. Where he attempts to refute christians beliefs, he get's it very wrong. Yet he claims to confirm it.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@micheal74rich You see, Micheal, I can give you refrences, and yes, I do frequently read Qur'an, and the various other Islamic scriptures regarded as authoritive by Sunni Islam at large.And yes, I regard original Arabic text, via my Qatari Arabic text specialist, and scripture study partner, a life-long mature age muslim. A full blooded Arab. A Qatari national, with a very sharp head on her shoulders. Your claims are avoided like you would the plague, by studious muslims. They are wise to do so.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@micheal74rich I am not going to dig out the verses that you fail to negotiate, because you can do this yourself. I'm sure you do read Qur'an, perhaps fervently during ramadan. You ought to know at the very least, some Qur'anical verses that create a positional delemma for your rather well worn effort to (unsuccessfully) overcome some of the problems that exist for Islams precarious theological position. "they changed their texts" is desperate reflex, and you ought to have progressed by now.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@micheal74rich In summery, your claims are weak, not because I don't like them, or because scholars don't openly support them, but because you fail to explain, or even make mention of the obvious impossibilities that Islamic scripture presents us with, if we are to assume your proposed position. It is overwhelmingly problematic for anyone who takes Qur'anic Islam seriously. I feel you are being less than honest with yourself. Your claims are understandable. They are not credible. And old hat.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars I read over and over your 7 inputs in reply to my 3 inputs but I couldn't find anything in those 7-inputs were directed to my 3-inputs but instead your blah blah are your angry counter attack to Islam. I didn't bring or say anything from Islam but instead I only use The God whom you believe in, like I do believe in Him, to debunk Christianity from its root. FYI… All muslims love and respect Jesus (pbuh) of Islam.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich Oh, I am sorry for giving you the impression that I am somehow angered. Having said that, you ought to consider the possibility that I am not "counter" attacking Islam at all. What I am pointing out is that your claims here, are well outside Qur'anic Islam's doctrine. Your claims are in strong contrast to Muhammads repeated teachings regarding Jesus, via his unconditional endorsement of the Gospels. What you are struggling with is Muhammads very teaching.
celltechlars 1 year ago
"What you are struggling with is Muhammads very teaching." The Prophet never taught his followers that The God requires blood, flesh, killing or crime-against humanity (i.e. in the killing of Jesus) for someone else to be forgiven. Your Bible says, all one's good deeds are filthy rags Isaiah 64:6 but you on the other hand believe a crime-against humanity can get you salvation. Umm isn’t that oxymoron?
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich It's not "my" bible only. It's your bible too. Get it? Attacking it is your reflex, but as muslim, we have to reconsile it with our flawed beliefs. In other words, we need to unlear some things, and learn lots more still. What you are doing here instead, is you turn and attack your own religion, trying to re-invent large chunks of it to suit your flawed ideas. Learn scripture, and relate to God by getting to know him. Instead you are telling him what he can or can't do...
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars "It's not "my" bible only. It's your bible too. Get it?" no, Bible contains some words of The God, words of prophets and words of religious clerics. In other words it is known as interpolation. Therefore The Bible is not 100 percent word of The God.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@celltechlars "Instead you are telling him what he can or can't do..." sorry I disagree, The God does what are majestic which fit His attributes. Example The God dying is un ungodly action therefore it does not fit to His majestic attributes, not to mention The God is The Ever Living.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich "The Prophet never taught his followers ...." You are right. Muhammad never taught anything new. There isn't a single idea or revelation that weren't already well established. He taught very little in fact, of anything. But as muslims, we believe in all the prophets, and seeing that they taught a great deal, and mostly their teachings were incredibly enlightening and completely original, we had better obey Allah, and take on his prophets lessons. You have not done so.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@micheal74rich Moses, Abraham, Solomon,Ezra, Nehemiah,Samuel, Joshua, David, Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zaphaniah, Haggai, Zchariah, Malachi, John and Jesus all knew God very well. These are most of "Your" prophets. You reject them and you are no longer muslim. You ignore them, and you finish up like you have now. Without any foundation of understanding, confused and conflicted. Brother, you have it in your power. Repent.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@micheal74rich As for the book of Isaiah, you would do well to remember that it is Gods eternal word. And what God tells us is that even our good deeds are as bloodied "menstrual"rags. You will struggle with this, because you like what you believe, and don't care to listen to God. He is holy, perfect and pure. We are nothing of the sort. Our hearts are decietful, and desperately wicked. We can not save our selves, with "good deeds". The wages of sin is death. We need salvation. Read scripture.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars "The wages of sin is death. We need salvation. Read scripture." An analogy: lets say you owe me $100, I come along and tell you, I will forgive your $100 owing but your fifth generation has to pay me the $100. Lets get back to the real question now.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@celltechlars Am I forgiving your $100 owing? Naturally I am not. Likewise, if someone must be killed for the sins of another, where is the forgiving nature of The God? Or the mercy of the God it does not exists. Your core believe is that there is no salvation without killing of the Jesus, which eliminate the fact, The God's The mercy and The Forgiving nature come to non-existence in the nature of the God.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich Gods people were not given the law in Gods hope that we would keep it, but to show us that we are fallen, as sinners. We can not keep the law. Our sins stain us like bloodied rags. And symbolically killing a unblemished lamb for atonement of our sins, was how God gave Moses the law. Along with every concept of justice known to man. But God loves us. He humbled himself(strong Gods only), and came to us as one of us, and loved us, and chose to suffer with us. He is truly powerful.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars "And symbolically killing a unblemished lamb for atonement of our sins," How can you atone The God, when The God supposedly own everything in the universe ?
"He humbled himself(strong Gods only), and came to us as one of us," We heard this from 100 million Hindu's gods as well. Jesus claimed explicitly at John 5:30, as "I cannot do anything in my own free will" But you silly billy claims that Jesus is The God.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich All the prophets taught that God was a God of love and compassion. A God who wept for us. Jesus wept. Abraham was told to go to the altar and sacrifice to God. He asked God about what he should sacrifice...he had no lamb. God said I will provide the lamb. Jesus came as the lamb of God, and he(God), willingly suffered on our behalf, and laid down his life so that we may live.Sin=death. Someone has to die for my sins. God loves me so much, he willingly suffered death in my place.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars "Jesus came as the lamb of God, and he(God), willingly suffered on our behalf " In other word The God shoot Himself in the foot.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@celltechlars "he willingly suffered death in my place." The God does not endorse or participate in evil.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich This and more make up the theme of the Bible. Old testament, starting with moses, points towards Jesus, forgiveness, Gods love for us, our needy and hopeless condition, our need for salvation. In fact the old testament essentially teaches the same as the new testament. It is all Gods living word.It teaches us what God is like, that he is good, and loving, and patient, and personal. That he wants us to have personal relations with us. Muhammad knew virtually nothing of God.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars It is funny, you are not thinking but rather being programmed to talk like a robot or not being analytical. "that he is good, and loving, and patient, and personal. " but still requires this: "Someone has to die for my sins."
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich And this is how you end up in this delemma. Your position makes no sense. Even if, (as you will point out), I'm wrong to believe what God's (other)prophets taught. Rideculing the teachings that neither you or Muhammad cared to learn, doesn't help the impossibility that Islam constantly struggles to maintain. Islam is nothing without the bible. It can only exist by what you are doing here. You're afraid. Yet you are much smarter than this. I know you are. You can change for good.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars "Someone has to die for my sins." Likewise in all pagan religions and you conflicted and contradicted after you agreed to that The God does not require blood, flesh, killing or crime-against humanity for someone else to be forgiven: "Well said. I agree. Why say our prophets ever taught such rubbish?"
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich This sort of struggle is not to be discouraged. My disapointment in you is that you have not made any progress whatso ever over a 12 month period. Instead you seem to have become solidified in this intransient position. You are posting claims as though they are gospel truth endorsed by Muhammad himself, when the opposite is in fact the case. Read the Gospels. The very same gospels that Muhammad tells about. Denying what they teach is not an option as a Muslim. You can do better.
celltechlars 1 year ago
"gospel truth endorsed by Muhammad himself, when the opposite is in fact the case." Where in my 3 points that I brought the Prophet into the equation?
micheal74rich 1 year ago
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celltechlars 1 year ago
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@micheal74rich " Where in my 3 points that I brought the Prophet into the equation?"
You do it indirectly. Muhammad taught us that Biblical text is God's word, and on several occasions he endorsed it in no uncertain terms. No where is it suggested that the Bible was corrupted. You are in direct opposition with Muhammad when you write your claims. So was he wrong? Was he foolish, and you're the new prophet ?
celltechlars 1 year ago
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celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars "Islam doesn't teach what you have here. However, if changed your claims into questions, they'd be really good ones to ask. Why not seek real answers instead." My 3 points are not my claim but they are universal facts, they are as follows: The God do not commit evil, The God do not require blood, flesh, killing or crime-against humanity for someone else to be forgiven.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich "The God do not commit evil, The God do not require blood, flesh, killing or crime-against humanity for someone else to be forgiven. "
Well said. I agree. Why say our prophets ever taught such rubbish? It certainly isn't found in holy scripture. I feel that you are attributing these absurd teachings to bible, so as to discredit it. You feel threatened by it, especially because you don't understand it. But I believe you are highly capable to understand.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@micheal74rich With increased understanding of scripture and our God as he reveals himself, theological problems will increase rapidly, with regards to Islamic doctrine, tradition and history. But this is exactly what muslims need ever so desperately. Issuing lame death fatwahs against any one who dares question Islamic scrpture, history or prophet, ensures muslims remain a long long way from God. Afraid and cut off. This is grivious to me, and a great injustice against the next generation.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars The God is absolute independent from everything that exists on Earth. The God did not subjected mercy and salvation upon blood, flesh killing or in the crime against the humanity.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich I will put it in simple terms, friend. If you are right about your claims(you may well be right), than Qur'an/Muhammad is wrong on several points in more ways than one. Hence your position "as a muslim", is untenable...unless you have an explanation that the world has not yet found.... I'm just saying....
I regret my rudeness in one or two spots earlier on, I did not intend to offend, only to gain your attention. I'm sorry, it was uncalled for.
Sincerely
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars "If you are right about your claims(you may well be right), than Qur'an/Muhammad is wrong on several points in more ways than one." Neither the Quran nor the Prophet in opposition with The God.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich Ok, if you say so... only if so, please explain who or what is infact wrong than. They can't all be right. And this is how you've come right around in full circle, refusing to address the complety obvious imposibility of your position(unless you know something the rest of the world doesn't). Your insistance to be right in this without at least offering some possible way to reconciliation of the dicotomies is really a little childish, and not befitting to your inteligence.
Salam
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars "I'm wrong to believe what God's (other)prophets taught." You not only wrong to believe in such way but you also attribute pagan ideology to The God as someone has to die for one's sin. The God chose to become human like in Hinduism. Jesus never claimed as he is The God, on the contrary Bible says, Jesus does not know The Hour and Jesus will be sitting right side of The God. Imagine how rubbish it sounds The God sits right side of The God.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich I agree that the way it looks to you, it makes little sense. I also know that you are unable to see this(or anything), in an objective way. Even though you are obviously inteligent. You only see through the lens of Islam. My point in all this is, and has been all along, that even if you are basically right, you are also therefor basically wrong. The impossible task of muslims is defending Muhammad and his claims. It can not be done. Denying any scripture at all doesn't help.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars "I agree that the way it looks to you, it makes little sense." Thank God, that I have intellect that makes logical- sense and intellectual sense, not self-conflicting and self-contradicting knowledge, like those of Hindus, Buddhist, Sikh and Christians.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@celltechlars
"I also know that you are unable to see this(or anything), in an objective way." You tried to construct an intellectually retarded or impossible theology as if The God is author of the confusion.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich No, actually you are. Muhammad endorsed the very scriptures that you openly refuted, presumably in the name of islam. It doesn't surprise me that you have completely avoided this simple and only issue that I have raised with you. All the rest here is secondary, and you know as well as I do, that you can not deal with this problem. It frightens you . Hence, you caqn not even admit to it. Your growth has stoped right there, and you can go no further. Islam is your dead end.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars "Muhammad endorsed the very scriptures that you openly refuted". Here are verses that I endorsed came from The God.
God in Bible in deep sleep and your God is an alcoholic wakes up from hangover.
Psalm 44:23 Awake, O Lord! Why do you sleep? Rouse yourself! Do not reject us forever. Psalm 78:65 Then the Lord awoke as from sleep, as a man wakes from the stupor of wine.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@celltechlars The God was sorry an imperfect God.
Genesis 6:5-6
The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@celltechlars Here is The God of the Bible is a fire breathing dragon.
2 Samuel 22:9 Smoke rose from his nostrils; consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it.
2 Samuel 22:16 The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of breath from his nostrils
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@celltechlars Here is more fairytale from the Bible, the interpolated men's words. rambo in the bible
Judges 3:31
And after him was Shamgar the son of Anath, which slew of the Philistines six hundred men with an ox goad: and he also delivered Israel.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@celltechlars I can go on on on on verses from Bible which blasphemy The God.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
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@micheal74rich Yes, like I said already,
. Muhammad endorsed the very scriptures that you openly refuted, presumably in the name of islam. It doesn't surprise me that you have completely avoided this simple and only issue that I have raised with you. All the rest here is secondary, and you know as well as I do, that you can not deal with this problem. It frightens you . Hence, you caqn not even admit to it. Your growth has stoped right there, and you can go no further. Islam is your dead end.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@micheal74rich The other thing is, and I will point out how completely lame it feels to have to tell you this, the verses that you quote, along with countless others that shallow muslims gleefully wield about, pose no problem what soever. It is to your shame that you resort to scripture quotes, like you have here. I find it equally disapointing when Quranic verses are quoted to supposedly show the irrationality or violence of Islam. Any fool can come with this. You could rise above this level.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars "Quranic verses are quoted to supposedly show the irrationality or violence of Islam." Irrationality bring them on. Violence in Islamic history was because, there are many pagan arabs wanted to exterminate muslims and the Prophet where muslim/the Prophet had to flee to other neighboring countries for survival.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@celltechlars When you study science and technology they say it, anything that cannot be explain in simple equation, it doomed to fail, as The God created the World around you in constructive rules and follows an order, which does not create chaos and confusion to those study in the realm of science and technology.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@celltechlars All glory belong to The God who is not the author of confusion and chaos. One cannot be an intellectually / logically sound and be Hindus, Buddhist, Sikh or Christians because to follow these religions one must bury his or her logical sense.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich Jesus never claimed... Micheal, let's be honest here for a moment...you're not familiar with Islamic sacred texts. Regardless of wether you include biblical scripture or exclude it from this, you are even less well versed of the bible than you are of the authorative Islamic scriptures. If I ask you about the themes of the book of Daniel, or the message of John the babtist, you'll have little to draw on, for example.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@micheal74rich I'm not going to explain how thoroughly you are mistaken about what scripture teaches. I find it embarressing when an inteligent muslim becomes entrenched with discrediting the very scriptures upon which Islam completely depends, for authenticity. That the biblical text is not helpfull in authenticating Islam, is incidental. Attacking Biblical scripture only discredits Islam, because Islam needs the bibles authenticity. You pretend not to see this. You damage youself this way.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars "I find it embarressing when an inteligent muslim becomes entrenched with discrediting the very scriptures upon which Islam completely depends, for authenticity." You are entitled for your opinion about Islam. Islam can withstand on its own even in the absence of the Quran and The Prophet, yet alone your disregarded authenticity "very scriptures" has no merits at the presence of the Quran and The Prophet.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich Regarding: " Islam can withstand on its own even in the absence of the Quran and The Prophet,"
What do you mean...please explain. Is this your line of reasoning? OMG ! Could it be that you're not brainwashed, but braindead? If you feel compelled to attack biblical text, when you can not make sense from Qur'an, and predictably this only worsens your confusion, than we simply assume that Islam needs neither Prophet nor Qur'an? That's an impressive piece of self delusion, brother.
celltechlars 1 year ago
"OMG ! Could it be that you're not brainwashed, but braindead?" I was giving you concrete evidence verses from your Bible which goes against nature of The God but you are not reasonable enough to think to that extend that The God would say or do things which contradict His majestic nature and attributes.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@celltechlars "What do you mean...please explain." I honestly think you do not have the reasoning and logical mind set for you to understand any of the explanation that I gave you, therefore anything more than I have given you, won't make any differences.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich Anyhow, I sincerely hope that you will find suffician faith to move beyond your compulsion to see fault in pre-islamic scripture, in your bid to find peace with Islam. If you cannot reconsile your beliefs with biblical texts, than you really aren't a faithful muslim at all. Your'e still at an insecure "baby" stage, and really, until you actually study scripture, and gain understanding, you're neither here or there. Praying and fasting won't make you a muslim on the inside.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars "If you cannot reconsile your beliefs with biblical texts," First you reconcile with this verses from Bible, where The God wanted to make someone to fornicate in the open public in the broad day light in front of mass audience.
"Your'e still at an insecure "baby" stage" Thanks for the recognition. I rather choose logical reasoning and intellect over your Bible.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@celltechlars Here is your God wanted to do fornication in broad daylight, exposing human sexuality into public display, excess of evil.
2 Samuel 12:11
"This is what the LORD says: 'Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. 12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.' "
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@celltechlars "you're neither here or there." It is funny, you are person of logic and reasoning to make such comments, you could not even debunk any of my argument that I brought forward against your pangan religion. Therefore you are entitle for your opinion.
"Praying and fasting won't make you a muslim on the inside" The Muslims way of praying and fasting not only done by muslims, it was done by all the prophets ever came to Earth, fell down on their face and prayed likewise for fasting.
micheal74rich 1 year ago
@micheal74rich "you could not even debunk" ...quoting scripture verses out of context is so lame...be it anti-islamic or anti biblical... there are contradictions and absurdities in both camps. We can see many posts doing this all over youtube. I was trying to point this out previously. You seemed to feel challenged and answered with "bring them on"...lol. As amuslim, you have not got the option of criticising bible text. You are pretending not to know this already. Lying even.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@micheal74rich Biblical text needn't be "debunked", it needs to be understood. And as muslim, it needs to be reconsiled with Islamic doctrine, as scholars very well know. It can't reasonably be done, and still, critique of bible simply isn't an option, for a thinking, rational muslim. Do what scholars do, Micheal....pretend the problem doesn't exist. I said I wouldn't do this for you, but a couple of verses can't hurt. There are many more, that condemn your blasphemous position...find them.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@micheal74rich Bible hasn't changed. Just ask Muhammad !
Sura 80.13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity), KEPT PURE AND HOLY,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.
Sura 5:68 Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye STAND FAST BY the Law, THE GOSPEL, and ALL THE REVELATION that has come to you from YOUR Lord."
Forget debunking, lameboy. Study your sacred texts instead, and become a real muslim...
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars People of the Book, do not go to excess in your religion, and do not say anything about God except the truth: the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers and do not speak of a 'Trinity'—stop, that is better for you—God is only one God, He is far above having a son, everything in the heavens and earth belongs to Him and He is the best one to trust. Qur'an 4:171
ArmenFirman01 1 year ago
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@ArmenFirman01 Reg. " Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him."
You might try actually reading the gospels, and see what Jesus said he was. And see what Jesus did. Your comment is mildly amusing, and blasphemous as muslim. Was Jesus a liar? Was Muhammad a liar ? If not, then you certainly are. Unless you're some kind of "new" prophet... are you ?
celltechlars 1 year ago
@ArmenFirman01 Just so that you don't go off confused about what your sacred texts actually say about all this...(try reading Qur'an)
And He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this (the Qur'an) as a guide to mankind. Surat-u Ali-Imran (3):3
No change can there be in the Words of God.
Surat-u Yunus (10):64
Sura 5:68 Say: "... ye STAND FAST BY the Law, THE GOSPEL, and ALL THE REVELATION that has come to you from YOUR Lord."
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars "Ye stand by fast" whom is he talking to?
true he sent the law the gospel to moses and jesus but they have been corrupted
Then woe to those who write the Book [Old Testament] with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79
ArmenFirman01 1 year ago
@ArmenFirman01 This is interesting. You need to regard the context. Jews (some , ) would sell false verses etc...well explained by islamic scholars. No scholars claim that scriptures have been changed. Scrolls -pre-islamic where all over the world, and all changed? by whome ? and all at once ? Where is the original ? you haven't got one. No one believes in changed script. Only naive, uneducated muslims do. Ref. dead sea scrolls...no changes...lol
Text pre-islam still with us. i.e. no change.
celltechlars 1 year ago
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ArmenFirman01 1 year ago
@celltechlars Quoting the Quran out of context to prove you are right means you never read the book! like many on youtube you get by islam hating site copy and paste verses whithout checking the context of the verse!
The trinity is something Jews and Muslims will never accept! Yet muslims love Jesus more than you do and honor him! keep believing in Paul the imposter he is your prophet... Pauline christianity is full of myth, superstition and fable
ArmenFirman01 1 year ago
@ArmenFirman01 Firstly, my quotes are very much "in context". Please explain the "context" that I should be applied...I read plenty. The verses are unmistakable. There are many more. i.e.Sura 5.43 to 5.48...context enough for you?
Trinity is not a biblical word, and rarely do I meet a muslim who understands what it means when used to refer to gospels.The gospels say what they say. Call it trinity or one God,it still says what it says.Reject it and you call Muhammad a liar. And Jesus.
Fail !
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars the point is christians believe in the divine status of Jesus, Muslims believe God is the only divine!
the main christian denominations believe in the trinity and in Jesus as the son of God Muslims and Jew don't
ArmenFirman01 1 year ago