1. I am a out spoken atheist because I REALLY don't want to live in another "dark age", and the best way to prevent that is to spread free thought and to simply talk to people.
2. Just freaking google -ATHEIST- it is a non-belife, i.e. a non existing belife, that means atheists DON'T belive in a religion, and you are by that deffinition a atheist toward other religions, like, well, buddhism. The only difference is that we don't belive in one more religion...
Why would I want to convince others to have a non belief. It is because I believe having that particular belief is harmful. There are many atheists who don't care about theists. Why haven't you heard about them you wonder? Since they don't care about theists, they don't care about people knowing they're atheists.
@KevinLounsberry This has nothing to do with what I just said, but here is why atheism is the default belief. Babies don't know anything, and don't believe anything. Humans are babies before they are anything else. Atheism is not having a belief in god. If babies don't have any beliefs, then humans by default are atheists before someone tells them about gods, and might continue to be atheists after that.
This is why atheism is not a religion. A religion is a system of beliefs by definition. A system needs multiple parts working together or it's not a system. Atheism has NO beliefs, it only has a single thing which you have to not believe in in order to be classifiable as an atheist and that's the belief in a god. Atheism there for by definition cannot possibly be classified as a religion.
I generally don't deal with theists anymore. Did that for years. Too much dishonesty, too much emotion for me. I debate nontheists on what atheism is. I debate people on absolute truths. Actually no, I correct people.... there is no actual debate going on.
I mark peoples logic is even more accurate. If someone wants to believe Krisna needs chanting to, I simply do not care. Chant away! I'll comment that zombieism is alive and well and why and ignore what the hindu thinks about it.
They care becouse belief maters! Becouse atheists are most hated group in USA. More then homosexuals or any minority.Becouse your president has to stay in closet -as all politicians do - if they want to stay in politic. Just becouse of not beliving - you can loose job,friends,family...etc. It's sad, it's disturbing & it's tipicly american phenomenon, while EUrope is mostly atheistic ( GB,France,Germany are 40%-50%-60% Atheist,Sweden over 80%)
Arguing about something you claim does not exist is insane, I do not believe sponge bob really exist there go I have never made youtube video's trying to prove he does not exist.
Why the hell can't we promote our non belief? You guys troll around trying to recruit with extravagant promises of this great after life to this place nooooobody has ever seen before - We promise nothing. We don't scare people into joining us by saying when they die they could go to hell if they don't convert to our way of thinking.
Number 1: I know you've seen my video "What does Christianity have to Offer" in which I explain the overactive role that Christianity plays in politics.
Number 2: It's not up to atheists to disprove god; you, the theist, must prove you're positive claim
Number 3: It matters to me because of all the children you deluded fools are indoctrinating
The funny thing is that these new atheists define atheism as a non belief or lack of belief (it is not) but anyway they actively pursue it, that is like actively pursuing not collecting stamps LOL
if it matters, then why did u ask me "why do you care what others believe" it seems as though wut ur giving with one hand ur taking away with the other. its okay for you to be concerned with what others believe, but not the other way around. and like u said its possible, not a necessary by-product or consequence. if you know of a paticular that you know i ascribe to, sure you can tell me, just be sure to show how u know its a lie.
but saying it doesn't exist is a positive claim that needs to be supported. but u'll say u can't support it..then why are u making the claim? I've never made an argument from ignorance, so im not sure how the first part of ur statement applies.
If your not obsessed, why did you bother to comment on my page, if it doesn't matter after all. Same with venom, u can always choose not to watch his videos. As a Christian its part of my worldview to care about what others believe, and try to share my own. but my point and question in this video was if u hold no belief, what then are you advancing?
So to correct peoples errors is to be obsessed with them?
And here I thought it was "helping out".... "clarifying" etc...
My mistake I guess. I won't correct your errors then and you can just continue on saying things like "why advance your belief, if it is just a nonbelief".
Non is a set theory term that refers to a complement set. Belief is not a set. Nonbelief is semantic nonsense.
my only stance is that if you maintain there is no God, well then prove it. if you think its illiicit to prove a universal negative, then don't make such a claim
You should ask yourself why people not believing in a thing that has not been proven should be required to give evidence in that regard.
I will not start a big discussion here, just a little thought: why do you think does the innocence of a man has to be proven in the courts (and not vice versa). Would it OK for you of being required to give counter-evidence if I insist that there are living flying cows in the middle of the earth? Why not?
" Why does it matter to you what a person believes"
Perhaps that starts to matter once those beliefs are translated into legislation such as euthenasia, stem cell research, creationism in schools, civil marriage rights...
As long as beliefs remain beliefs i have no problem whatsoever with belief.
Like Wafa Sultan said:
"You may believe in stones, as long as you don't throw them at me".
Oh, as a student of Zen in my youth, I think I have a basic understanding of Buddhidm. It is *not* "Atheistic" in the sense you mean. It might be said to be nontheistic, but places all mankind and enlightenment in "Gods" place. We (in their view) create the world from our perceptions as all is an illusion. Man himself *is* the Divinity. And there is plenty of supernatural authority to go around, so calling "Buddhism" "Atheistic" is like calling the worship of Ishtar "Atheistic". NON-theistic.
"...something that can't be done in an atheist worldview."
C'mon, you know this is bogus.
Go ahead and read up on the constitutions of seven U.S. states where the failure to acknowledge the existence of God is met with restrictions on atheists' human rights? In a supposedly "Christain" nation, what other persons of religion are responsible for such bigoted legislation?
George Bush said, "I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens..."
That's what I said. If someone made the claim that Big-foot was a hoax, they would have to provide evidence for that claim.
It is wrong to say that atheists hold the burden of proof. The burden of proof rests on the theists (the instigators) who have made the positive claim.
If you ever want to know where the burden of proof lies, you first have to determine who the instigator is. The skeptic is the reactionary. If you say the sky is falling, the burden of proof is on you.
"When an atheist makes the claim God doesn't exist...then the burden is on them"
If ANYONE makes a claim, they must provide evidence for that claim. If you claim that a god exists, it's not up to the atheists - who lack belief in that god's existence and also lack belief in that god's non-existence - to prove that your god doesn't exist.
Atheism encompasses both non-belief and disbelief in a god or gods. Many people confuse the first definition of atheism w/ agnosticism.
Christianity doesn't fit any of those, and actually seeks to and has led to the upholding of human dignity and GROUNDS human rights, something that can't be done in an atheist worldview. And yes, from what i see it is the hobby of alot of atheist to simply be polemicist.
"[Atheists] have to prove that things like God and other things don't exist."
No. The burden of proof is always on the one making the claim. Any claim that a god exists requires proof of that claim. You can't say that you own a mountain, for example, and say that the burden of proof is on those who have never met you before. At this point I would lack the belief that you own a mountain. If thereafter you present a fake document as proof I would start disbelieving that you own a mountain.
Why are atheists like myself concerned about the 'logicity' of theism?
Less than 45% of people in the U.S. are willing to vote for an atheist regardless of his/her philosophy about government, economics, etc. That's lower than the result for gays and muslims. In fact, there are states that don't even permit atheists to hold office.
Atheists are against non-science being taught in science class.
Atheist's are against the money being unrepresentative of a secular government.
Whats your point? your mad that some ppl dont want to vote for you? Maybe they have good reason. Alot of theist are against non-science being taught in schools too, im just not sure where all this really gets you.
i guess my reply never posted, no, buddhist are atheistic, u simply have not researched this. and thus no, there does not have to be a diety involved for there to be a religion established. So far as "So help me God" whats your point? are u sayin this hurts you in some way? And so far as your first statements, u gotta be kidding me.
the burden of proof is on you, not the the one who is waiting on proof of god's existence.you seem to presume everyone must believe in something as the "default" instead of the other way around.
but the way religion gets around being questioned is in a very simple and childish way..they just cover their ears and say dont listen because thats the devil talking...very convenient way of knowing everything you'll ever need to know in life.
that's gerneralizing because I know wuite a few atheists who could care less about any religious folks.
A lot of atheists are passionate against theism simply because they think that religion and religious people are holding back society from growing as a whole.
another well thought out response. simply insulting someone doesn't do the job of showing that they're crazy, it only makes you beligerent at best. i didn't ask you to do anything by the way, and as far as me "not listening" what worth while thing have you said so far? maybe you could post it in quotations.
what exactly were you proposing i respond with? refutations? like you just throw out an objection, fold ur arms and wait for me to put the fire out? thats not how it works here. What do you mean "God doesn't exist"? how do you know that?
two more things: not only is atheism not a religion (check the definition if you don't understand why) because religion =/= belief and vice-versa, how can you say that it's the atheists attacking the theists? they have been doing just the same or worse for centuries and still do so today.
its actually because of the definition that i define atheism as i do. secondly, belief does not automatically equate to religion, altho if it did you'd be proving me right in saying atheism is a religion. how can i say its the atheist attacking theist...uh because its true, regardless of evidence of the recipricol.
again, the same old argument of "because I say it is, it just is" kicks in. if you define atheism as a religion, then you're just wrong, no matter how you put it. atheists usually respond to provocation. and I mean, atheists couldn't express their opinions for a millennium, and now christians suddenly are being "persecuted"? they're being discriminated? attacked?
and you didn't answer me: what's the problem with debating just for the act of seeking truth? what if scientists gave up?
my argument was never atheism is as i say it is, so i can't really defend an argument i didn't make. atheist couldn't express their opinions for a millenium? in what country? not the US. Christians from their inception have always been persecuted, and as the culture becomes more relativistic, Christians are increasingly ostracized for simply holding to their convictions, maybe you missed the prop 8 riots. and im not really understanding you're question?
are you sure you live in this world? atheist were always considered heretics, pagans. whole countries and cultures were dizimated because of religious differences. if you didn't believe in god you'd be ostracized. christians are persecuted? hahaha! so what about the atheist created a proposition to TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHTS to something? how would YOU feel? and do you really think christians don't riot? don't provoke? don't discriminate (hahahahaha)?
u said atheist were always persecuted, i asked u go give me an example. telling me whole countries were, i think u ment to say decimated, is not tellin me anything about atheistic persecution, its vague and i think u know that. but even to that statement my response is whats ur point? you laff that Christians are persecuted but...they r. for u to laff only reflects ur ignorance, not any stupidity on my part.i really didn't understand the next part,and to the rest i ask..whats ur point if its tru
the greeks persecuted atheists (socrates was accused of this, even though he wasn't), the romans persecuted atheists, atheists were considered heretics and persecuted during medieval times, the inquisition, galileo, etc etc... go grab a history book. christians have always been intolerant against those who don't share their ideals and now they have the persecution complex? I laugh because it's ironic. you all try to push your beliefs on everyone else, but when someone does one tiny thing...
what do the greeks and romans have to do with Christians? Galileo wasn't an atheist, so u can't use that.the inquisition was mainly about heresy, which is an in-house issue, meaning those who are in a way of the faith but depart from orthodox doctrine,atheist dont really fit this bill. so the majority of the examples u cite dont work for u. im not sayin no atheist were persecuted ever, im sure there have been atheist persecuted at the hands of theist,but again i ask, wuts ur point?
dude, christians persecute more than atheists. atheists have been more persecuted than christians. and there's still persecution today. prop 8, the sign on washington, etc. so I'm asking you, why are christians being persecuted? because someone makes a video saying they don't believe the same you do? that's persecution? because someone says bad stuff about jesus? what about all the things christians say about atheists and other religious minorities?
...but when someone does one tiny thing against you, they're persecuting you. as if you guys are the holders of the absolute truth and morality of the universe or something. you've always been on the throne, and you're still the majority, and yet you claim to be persecuted by the same people you've been persecuting for millennia.
the point is: you're not being persecuted. you're just whining 'cause people have different beliefs. everyone has to put up with your beliefs all day long...
What evidence is there that suggest that since its inception, Christianity has always been "on the throne". Christians are persecuted world-wide, i think your perception of this issue is very very small. no one is whining because ppl have differing beliefs, ppl always have. PPL dont "have to put up with our beliefs all day long" and thats obvious given the moral condition and laws of the land at this day n age.
the fact that christianity was the official religion of the roman empires, and that most of the kingdoms in europe were christian and driven by religion has nothing to do with it? again, people don't have to put up with your beliefs? again, what about prop 8? the atheist sign? this whole thing about the war on christmas? just look around you, christianity is everywhere. lol, persecuted world-wide. you're funny.
Christianity was enstated as the official religion 300 YEARS after its inception, prior to that, Christians were persecuted, like i said from their inception. well yeah all ppl have to put up with the beliefs of others because they have the freedom to express those beliefs. What anti-theist aim to do is take away that freedom of others. simply sayin "just look around u" wont do your case any good. in fact if a person does look around, they'll see world wide persecution of Christians.
well..thats not what i said..so i dont know that i was being clever in anyway, your underhanded comment aside. pointing to incidence of hate crimes preformed by those who call themselves Christians but certainly dont live true to doctrine, does absolutely nothing to absolve the fact of Christian persecution, nice try tho.
and the 1000 years after that, it was the christians who persecuted everyone else. witch trials, expelling the jesuits, expelling the juslims, etc.
atheism is not the same as anti-theism. even then, it makes no sense to say that. theists are the ones taking away the freedom of others. prop 8, the muslim nations, etc. atheists don't want to take theists' freedom, they want to keep them from taking any more of ours.
i think a fair thing to say is that you simply haven't dont know much about Christian persecution around the world cuz you haven't researched it. i understand that from where u stand you haven't come to KNOW that it happens, but it does, all the time. and yes, riots on churches for prop 8, dan barkers Christmas attacks are examples of persecution, but dont compare to the atrocities that happen in other places in the world.
given what i've said, it seems you're not clear on what a mentalist is. however even if i was one, i have that right in this country with no one trying to impede, so im not sure how that gets u anywhere.
no, it isn't a fair thing to say. you don't know jack about me. riots on prop 8 churches? I wonder WHY that happened.
yeah, there are christians persecuted all over the world, most specifically in the middle east. but the same happens to non-christian theists and atheists. so you can't really use your persecution as a weapon, specially after the persecution christians did themselves.
also, there's no persecuting of christians in the US. it's the other way around.
...everyone has to put up with your beliefs all day long, all year long, but you can't stand a little criticism. you can't stand questioning something rationally. it falls on deaf ears, just like this will probably fall too. if you don't want to understand, I can't help you.
Who said i equated criticism with persecution,you're now confusing the issue. i dont care about questionin somethin rationally,i do it myself all the time.what goes on the in atheist community is not a "rational questioning" its simply a polemic assault,look at dan barker over the Christmas season.absolutely nothing even remotely like "rational questioning" just an unwarranted,hateful assault on the worldview of others. citing times that Christians supposedly did it doesn't acquit atheist.
you're saying that christians are being persecuted because people are stating their opinions about your beliefs. is this not the case? then it's you not handling some criticism. I have to hear christian crap almost every day and I'm not complaining.
lol, don't you see that most atheists videos are a reaction to the ammount of creationist crap around here? they don't even know what the big bang theory is all about. how can atheists not respond?
the problem is how the abrahamic religions have taken over the world and are forcing their religions on everyone else. also, why must there be a reason for debating the truthness of something?
ALSO, atheism does not imply that the existence of a god is rejected completely. you can believe that it doesn't exist, but still pose the probability that it does, because we don't know everything.
im not going to debate anymore its like that saying goes .the world holds two classes of people intelligent men without religion and religious men without intelligence. you fit into the second .
well i dont know that i have any reason to give merit to that quote, im sure i could think of some that insult you but it does nothing to make my case. i mean surely if you were so intelligent you could back up the claims you made, that you know for sure that there is no evidence anywhere for the existence of God. but you can't, tho u claim to be the intelligent one...
to prove that god does not exist you only have to demonstrate that the concept of god is inconsistent.god is a theoretical entity that theists use to explain the origin of the universe .and the origin of all living things.and thats why i said science is my proof.because they can explain all these phenomena with out the need of an existence of god .
well,i see that you believe that. but im not interested in that just yet. i just want to know how you know for a fact that there is NO evidence for God.
im 99% certain that im right evolution is my PROOF YOU HAVE NONE and if that 1% did turn out to be a god ,it would be scientific not a theological one .thankyou and goodbye my friend its 3 am in england im going to sleep
who said anything about evolution ggo? you said you know for a fact there is no evidence for God, i just want to know how you know that. it seems like your taking this in a direction not needed, a kind of red herring. if you made a mistep, just state it and we can move on, ppl make mistakes in thinking all the time, its not the end of the world
it kind of seems like you're of the dawkins camp, tho its not my intention to generalize you. at any rate if you are try having a conversation that is free of insult, and if you make a claim dont shy away from the burden of proof.
this can go on forever you show me there is proof .i know there is no god like there is no santa. no tooth fairy i just no. evolution is my proof whats yours ?
well ggo, i agree this can go on forever if those who make claims are unwilling to show others why they believe as they do. YOU said there is NO evidence for God. so i asked how you know. you respond with i just know. this isn't proof and i thnk you know its a shabby job. if you can't show how you know theres no evidence for God just say so. unlike most atheist in these sort of discussions im not gonna say i "owned you" or ridicule your for not being able to back up your claim.
isn't that just a reitteration of the thing im asking you to show. scientific proof, empirical evidence, its synonomous. so again i ask, how do you know there is no evidence or proof for God?
can you see proof of god. if you can then tell me what. because i can not if there is a god like you think who made him ? this can go on forever but i have science to back me up you have nothing ?
hold on ggo, you said there is no evidence for God, i just want to know how YOU know that. your knowledge isn't based on what i can see, so why ask me. you made your mind up to make that claim long before you met me. i'll ask again, how do you know theres no evidence for God.
what im saying is there is no evidence of a god. and i do respect your view on your faith.because im not trying to change your view unlike some fundamentalist freaks who try to change me . im just telling you my own view.the universe is easier to accept than a conscious creator .
how do you know theres no evidence for God? trying to change someones view doesn't mean you dont respect it. mischaracterizing it on purpose in a derisive manner however is. this is expendable tho, i just want to know how you know theres no evidence for God.
well actually, i dont think you do in fact you've shown you dont, but thats inconsequential. Well you ask me if i see evidence for God, i think i do. however you said first, that there wasn't any evidence for God, then you said you haven't found any. So are you saying that because you haven't found any evidence for God, that that means that there isn't any?
because god has never left any evidence of his existence.god is imaginary .but if you want to believe in the jewish zombie named jesus.and the talking snake and magical tree thats ok i will believe in evolution
You seem to be very intelligent and articulate. I only have one problem with your speech. You said "first you have to prove there is no god". Actually, the burden of proof falls on the one asserting the existence of something for which there is no physical evidence. Atheists don't have to prove there's no god any more that they have to prove there's no tooth fairy. That said, I don't think all theists are stupid, like some nonbelievers. I used to be a devout christian myself. Peace amigo.
Atheism is the default position. You have to prove God exists but you can't. We can prove that all Gods we know of don't exist, though we can't prove there is 'no God.' There is no Yahweh.
#1. Theist fairy tales are funny.
#2. Once you realize that these dumbass beliefs have been intergrated into our society you realize how offensive it is for someones false ideals to affect you.
#3. Religion slows progress of all kind (moral, academic, etc.)
interesting...that made me think veritaslogas...this is boriquaz_finest from bp but i deleted my acccount..idk if you remember me or not but i like wat you stated!!
I, personally, care about religions simply because I am interested in what people believe and why they believe it. I take part in debate often to challenge, but never to attack. Contrary to the militant atheists like you listed in your video, I don't think religion is evil. I think religion can be healthy and good so long as that religion isn't used to oppress other people, attack civil rights or to impede human progress in fields like science and medicine.
speaking for myself, as an atheist, i agree with you. i could care less what religion anyone follows or doesn't follow. what got me involved with the atheist/theist debate here are the "proof of god" videos, some of which make absurd claims (i.e. Ray Comfort's Banana theory). any comments or videos i have were in response to theists assertion that they have "proof" of god. i have questions for anyone that makes that claim. if that is what you call obsession, then yes, i am obsessed with theists.
and i've never tried to "convert" anyone. my only goal is to question or debunk the claims of theists, just as theists goal seems to be questioning or debunking what science claims. i say if religion works for you, great! but don't make bogus claims to prove your beliefs.
the good theist, atleast from the Christian persuasion, doesn't "debunk" what is scientific, if it is truely scientific. I think what you seem to be referring to is something like evolution. The theist that contends with it (and its not only theists) should be doing so becauase of the unscientific claims of evolution; misapplications of the discipline.
Simple. When theists of all faiths remove their shit from schools ie education, politics, economy, sexuality, then religions can do whatever it wants to do to peoples' brains. Such as it does. Until then, atheists will keep bickering over this topic because someone else's beliefs effects their lives. That's why.
i think atheists have an obsession with theists because they simply suck at life.they attack theism because it helps 2 convince them that GOD is not real ... which they hope and pray 2 b the case LOLZ.
This is a Theists world. Most people believe in god in some degree. For people who do not believe, there are not many outlets to express their thoughts. Atheists need a voice.
they probably told her that she would burn in hell,
but your forgetting to include the part where they said, "unless you pray to God and ask for forgiveness and for him to come into your heart as your Lord and Personal Savior"
... basically getting saved.
before you argue a point and make us Christians look bad, make sure you give the whole story.
Not all atheists care whether others believe in God. And some atheists even respect and envy the faithful but just can't bring themselves to believe. What you are talking about are atheists who not only don't believe in God but take issue with those who do. They are called "anti-theists" and their issue with religion extends far beyond its lack of evidence. Hope that clears things up.
Was going to comment but everybody seems to have run through standard, even self-evident, list that half an hour's thought or ten minutes looking at any decent YouTube atheist's video would have answered for you.
Stop trying to cast yourself and all other theists as the victims of the piece, a cursory look at any social history will demonstrate that it was, is and sadly will be for some time the non-believer who is persecuted for his opinions.
Interesting you find this hard to understand. Imagine 90% of the people believed in leprechauns, and basically hated non-believers in leprechauns, got special tax free leprechaun hunting stores, etc. You either have no empathy, or, haven't thought about this very hard at all. Try thinking about it.
To sum up a long comment which I may or may not finish (because naturally I don't agree with everything here, being another person & all) I'll refer you to Sam Harris criticising the idea of an atheist movement to a stunned into a lulzworthy silence conference of atheists... link wont work but search YouTube for 'Sam Harris AAI 2007' rationalresponse posted it (yes that reational response...)
The burden of proof lies with one who makes the claim. Theists make a claim we do not believe, however, we ourselves do not make a claim. I have never seen a definition of religion that would apply to atheism (some take things too far, but that is another matter).
Why do I care at all?
It wont let me post a link (for whatever reason), but check out the youtube vid "why do atheists care about religion?" posted by imrational.
If your point is "what's your beef with religion, what do you care what people believe?", I would throw the question right back at you: What do you care that there are atheists out there, what's YOUR beef?
As far as proving there is no God... well, I would suggest researching "burden of proof" or "russell's teapot".
its interesting that you did not pose the same question back to me. instead of saying, why do you care what atheist believe", you asked why do i care that there are atheist out there. Why not just phrase it that way, when that really is the meat of the question?
Because many consider atheism a LACK of belief. Word the question however you like, throw belief in there, I don't care... as long as you understand the essence of the question :)
but it does indeed seem as though you are essentially asking why do i care what atheist believe. the only reason for avoiding reciprocating the question back the way it was asked seems to be to dodge the obvious problem with it.
"but it does indeed seem as though you are essentially asking why do i care what atheist believe."
Fine. Then word it that way. You seem to think I have a problem with people considering atheism a belief. I don't. And speaking of "dodge", you haven't answered yet.
just tryin to get a clear question, to provide an acurate answer. Its not that i "care what atheist believe" but rather im curious as to why it is the goal to advance a non belief, and also ridicule those who lack a belief that God doesn't exist. To go to the extent of ppl like dawkins who conclude that religious ppl might have a mental disorder or should be accused of child abuse for raising their children in what they think is correct, to me is simply doing what you accuse theist of doing.
Dude, you make the claim, atheists don't... The onus is on you, we don't need to prove anything...
We are rightfully upset by theists... They've shown themselves to be all too keen to regulate everyone's life with their arbitrary non-sensical and often immoral rules...
It's no skin of my nose if you believe in god, but it is my concern when leaders of powerful nations believe in things such as rapture... If that isn't scary to you, you need to re-evaluate your views...
To all that add: Getting a free ride at taxpayers' expense. Religious tax-exemption is, for all practical purposes, a government subsidy. If organized religions had to pay property taxes, the National Debt would be wiped out within a few years.
I'll add... Lying about science. Lying about and ignoring evidence. Restricting natural intelligence. Teaching children lies as truth (brainwashing). Teaching adults lies as truth. Parents watching their kids die because they think prayer is stronger than medicine. Politicians who HAVE to lie before they can get elected. The denial of and therefore the prevention of facing our ONLY problem, our instincts, through the denial of evolution. Embarrassing our species. The spreading of fear.
1. I am a out spoken atheist because I REALLY don't want to live in another "dark age", and the best way to prevent that is to spread free thought and to simply talk to people.
2. Just freaking google -ATHEIST- it is a non-belife, i.e. a non existing belife, that means atheists DON'T belive in a religion, and you are by that deffinition a atheist toward other religions, like, well, buddhism. The only difference is that we don't belive in one more religion...
3. And we care because we are human.
krokom9 2 months ago
Why would I want to convince others to have a non belief. It is because I believe having that particular belief is harmful. There are many atheists who don't care about theists. Why haven't you heard about them you wonder? Since they don't care about theists, they don't care about people knowing they're atheists.
KevinLounsberry 5 months ago
@KevinLounsberry This has nothing to do with what I just said, but here is why atheism is the default belief. Babies don't know anything, and don't believe anything. Humans are babies before they are anything else. Atheism is not having a belief in god. If babies don't have any beliefs, then humans by default are atheists before someone tells them about gods, and might continue to be atheists after that.
KevinLounsberry 5 months ago
This is why atheism is not a religion. A religion is a system of beliefs by definition. A system needs multiple parts working together or it's not a system. Atheism has NO beliefs, it only has a single thing which you have to not believe in in order to be classifiable as an atheist and that's the belief in a god. Atheism there for by definition cannot possibly be classified as a religion.
KevinLounsberry 5 months ago
I generally don't deal with theists anymore. Did that for years. Too much dishonesty, too much emotion for me. I debate nontheists on what atheism is. I debate people on absolute truths. Actually no, I correct people.... there is no actual debate going on.
I mark peoples logic is even more accurate. If someone wants to believe Krisna needs chanting to, I simply do not care. Chant away! I'll comment that zombieism is alive and well and why and ignore what the hindu thinks about it.
gklr 9 months ago
They care becouse belief maters! Becouse atheists are most hated group in USA. More then homosexuals or any minority.Becouse your president has to stay in closet -as all politicians do - if they want to stay in politic. Just becouse of not beliving - you can loose job,friends,family...etc. It's sad, it's disturbing & it's tipicly american phenomenon, while EUrope is mostly atheistic ( GB,France,Germany are 40%-50%-60% Atheist,Sweden over 80%)
Aleksamson 11 months ago
Arguing about something you claim does not exist is insane, I do not believe sponge bob really exist there go I have never made youtube video's trying to prove he does not exist.
ceeker248 1 year ago
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kmemije 1 year ago
Why the hell can't we promote our non belief? You guys troll around trying to recruit with extravagant promises of this great after life to this place nooooobody has ever seen before - We promise nothing. We don't scare people into joining us by saying when they die they could go to hell if they don't convert to our way of thinking.
You guys got it wrong, not us atheists.
Krawnikal 1 year ago
Number 1: I know you've seen my video "What does Christianity have to Offer" in which I explain the overactive role that Christianity plays in politics.
Number 2: It's not up to atheists to disprove god; you, the theist, must prove you're positive claim
Number 3: It matters to me because of all the children you deluded fools are indoctrinating
AldusValor 1 year ago
The funny thing is that these new atheists define atheism as a non belief or lack of belief (it is not) but anyway they actively pursue it, that is like actively pursuing not collecting stamps LOL
The atheist crowd are funny.
ProudToBLoud 2 years ago
@ProudToBLoud Look up the definition of atheist. It's been the same for a while.
Krawnikal 1 year ago
if it matters, then why did u ask me "why do you care what others believe" it seems as though wut ur giving with one hand ur taking away with the other. its okay for you to be concerned with what others believe, but not the other way around. and like u said its possible, not a necessary by-product or consequence. if you know of a paticular that you know i ascribe to, sure you can tell me, just be sure to show how u know its a lie.
veritaslogos 2 years ago
but saying it doesn't exist is a positive claim that needs to be supported. but u'll say u can't support it..then why are u making the claim? I've never made an argument from ignorance, so im not sure how the first part of ur statement applies.
veritaslogos 2 years ago
If your not obsessed, why did you bother to comment on my page, if it doesn't matter after all. Same with venom, u can always choose not to watch his videos. As a Christian its part of my worldview to care about what others believe, and try to share my own. but my point and question in this video was if u hold no belief, what then are you advancing?
veritaslogos 2 years ago
@veritaslogos,
So to correct peoples errors is to be obsessed with them?
And here I thought it was "helping out".... "clarifying" etc...
My mistake I guess. I won't correct your errors then and you can just continue on saying things like "why advance your belief, if it is just a nonbelief".
Non is a set theory term that refers to a complement set. Belief is not a set. Nonbelief is semantic nonsense.
gklr 9 months ago
my only stance is that if you maintain there is no God, well then prove it. if you think its illiicit to prove a universal negative, then don't make such a claim
veritaslogos 2 years ago
You should ask yourself why people not believing in a thing that has not been proven should be required to give evidence in that regard.
I will not start a big discussion here, just a little thought: why do you think does the innocence of a man has to be proven in the courts (and not vice versa). Would it OK for you of being required to give counter-evidence if I insist that there are living flying cows in the middle of the earth? Why not?
suneku78 2 years ago 3
the comment i think your referring to has to do with the strong atheist claim. that is when the onus is on them
veritaslogos 2 years ago
" Why does it matter to you what a person believes"
Perhaps that starts to matter once those beliefs are translated into legislation such as euthenasia, stem cell research, creationism in schools, civil marriage rights...
As long as beliefs remain beliefs i have no problem whatsoever with belief.
Like Wafa Sultan said:
"You may believe in stones, as long as you don't throw them at me".
Rgds,
mindwis3 3 years ago 2
Oh, as a student of Zen in my youth, I think I have a basic understanding of Buddhidm. It is *not* "Atheistic" in the sense you mean. It might be said to be nontheistic, but places all mankind and enlightenment in "Gods" place. We (in their view) create the world from our perceptions as all is an illusion. Man himself *is* the Divinity. And there is plenty of supernatural authority to go around, so calling "Buddhism" "Atheistic" is like calling the worship of Ishtar "Atheistic". NON-theistic.
RyuDarragh 3 years ago
When I hear the utter BULLSHIT that atheists worldview leads to this or that bad thing,.. I actually have to pause and facepalm.
The US is 75% Christian. So is the prison population. And the US is 10% Atheist... but, the prison population is 0.2%.
And, the countries with lower crime rates and lower teen pregnancies?
Well?
Also higher in percentage of ATHEISTS. And there are *NO* laws in those countries requireing government leaders be "Believers" !!
Now, tell me again about this..
RyuDarragh 3 years ago 2
What kind of reason is it to refuse to vote for someone who believes in freedom of religion and secularism at the same time?
tombapilot04 3 years ago
"...something that can't be done in an atheist worldview."
C'mon, you know this is bogus.
Go ahead and read up on the constitutions of seven U.S. states where the failure to acknowledge the existence of God is met with restrictions on atheists' human rights? In a supposedly "Christain" nation, what other persons of religion are responsible for such bigoted legislation?
George Bush said, "I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens..."
It's not just the atheists, though.
tombapilot04 3 years ago
That's what I said. If someone made the claim that Big-foot was a hoax, they would have to provide evidence for that claim.
It is wrong to say that atheists hold the burden of proof. The burden of proof rests on the theists (the instigators) who have made the positive claim.
If you ever want to know where the burden of proof lies, you first have to determine who the instigator is. The skeptic is the reactionary. If you say the sky is falling, the burden of proof is on you.
tombapilot04 3 years ago
"When an atheist makes the claim God doesn't exist...then the burden is on them"
If ANYONE makes a claim, they must provide evidence for that claim. If you claim that a god exists, it's not up to the atheists - who lack belief in that god's existence and also lack belief in that god's non-existence - to prove that your god doesn't exist.
Atheism encompasses both non-belief and disbelief in a god or gods. Many people confuse the first definition of atheism w/ agnosticism.
tombapilot04 3 years ago
so u agree then..if an atheist says there is no God, they must provide evidence for that claim
veritaslogos 3 years ago
Why do atheists attack theistic beliefs?
We vehemently oppose theistic beliefs on these grounds:
If a belief requires a leap of faith,
if a belief contradicts rationale,
if a belief leads or may lead to an infringement of an individual's human rights. (This would coincide with weather the belief contradicts rationale.)
It's not like it's a hobby of ours to bash religion. Atheists - like me anyways - merely advocate secularism and clear thinking.
tombapilot04 3 years ago 2
Christianity doesn't fit any of those, and actually seeks to and has led to the upholding of human dignity and GROUNDS human rights, something that can't be done in an atheist worldview. And yes, from what i see it is the hobby of alot of atheist to simply be polemicist.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
"[Atheists] have to prove that things like God and other things don't exist."
No. The burden of proof is always on the one making the claim. Any claim that a god exists requires proof of that claim. You can't say that you own a mountain, for example, and say that the burden of proof is on those who have never met you before. At this point I would lack the belief that you own a mountain. If thereafter you present a fake document as proof I would start disbelieving that you own a mountain.
tombapilot04 3 years ago
when an atheist makes the claim God doesn't exist...then the burden is on them
veritaslogos 3 years ago
Why are atheists like myself concerned about the 'logicity' of theism?
Less than 45% of people in the U.S. are willing to vote for an atheist regardless of his/her philosophy about government, economics, etc. That's lower than the result for gays and muslims. In fact, there are states that don't even permit atheists to hold office.
Atheists are against non-science being taught in science class.
Atheist's are against the money being unrepresentative of a secular government.
Secularism
tombapilot04 3 years ago
Whats your point? your mad that some ppl dont want to vote for you? Maybe they have good reason. Alot of theist are against non-science being taught in schools too, im just not sure where all this really gets you.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
Simple, my lad. Someone who declares they are "Atheist" in the US can lose their job, livelyhood and even life.
The Theists have lynched, ostracized and oppressed Atheists.
Look at the requirements that have been injected into the halls of Government for "So Help Me God".
And Buddhism has a God. A Buddhist would say "We are all God".
Religion absolutely must have a god to *be* a religion. Otherwise, it's a Philosophy.
RyuDarragh 3 years ago
i guess my reply never posted, no, buddhist are atheistic, u simply have not researched this. and thus no, there does not have to be a diety involved for there to be a religion established. So far as "So help me God" whats your point? are u sayin this hurts you in some way? And so far as your first statements, u gotta be kidding me.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
again,based on what you stated...
the burden of proof is on you, not the the one who is waiting on proof of god's existence.you seem to presume everyone must believe in something as the "default" instead of the other way around.
but the way religion gets around being questioned is in a very simple and childish way..they just cover their ears and say dont listen because thats the devil talking...very convenient way of knowing everything you'll ever need to know in life.
davedoug 3 years ago
check out "secular humanism"
xypowerpop 3 years ago
that's gerneralizing because I know wuite a few atheists who could care less about any religious folks.
A lot of atheists are passionate against theism simply because they think that religion and religious people are holding back society from growing as a whole.
xypowerpop 3 years ago
its not generalizing, im simply making the observation from where i stand, i dont believe i said all atheist are that way.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
"Why do atheists seem..."
that opening right there implies that to you it applied to ALL atheists. "why do SOME" "why do MOST" "why do ALOT OF" would be better :D
But it's just a misunderstanding. just letting you know
xypowerpop 3 years ago
i could see how i casted a broad net, duely noted.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
Because theism is nonsense.
Why can't you unders- yeah, I know, you're a theist.
ourben 3 years ago
if this is your most reasoned respone u've got alot of growing up to do intellectually.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
Yeah okay mate.
You keep telling yourself Jesus touches you - I'll keep telling people like you they're crazy.
You're not asking me to grow "intellectually" you're asking me to surrender sarcasm. Will I? No. Why? Because you won't listen.
ourben 3 years ago
another well thought out response. simply insulting someone doesn't do the job of showing that they're crazy, it only makes you beligerent at best. i didn't ask you to do anything by the way, and as far as me "not listening" what worth while thing have you said so far? maybe you could post it in quotations.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
I'll just say something here and you can respond - perhaps justifying my historical statements...
Jesus was not the son of God.
God does not exist.
The Bible is old law that the ancient Greeks did better.
ourben 3 years ago
what exactly were you proposing i respond with? refutations? like you just throw out an objection, fold ur arms and wait for me to put the fire out? thats not how it works here. What do you mean "God doesn't exist"? how do you know that?
veritaslogos 3 years ago
Men made it up.
ourben 3 years ago
two more things: not only is atheism not a religion (check the definition if you don't understand why) because religion =/= belief and vice-versa, how can you say that it's the atheists attacking the theists? they have been doing just the same or worse for centuries and still do so today.
dude, open your eyes.
AshesWasHerName 3 years ago
its actually because of the definition that i define atheism as i do. secondly, belief does not automatically equate to religion, altho if it did you'd be proving me right in saying atheism is a religion. how can i say its the atheist attacking theist...uh because its true, regardless of evidence of the recipricol.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
again, the same old argument of "because I say it is, it just is" kicks in. if you define atheism as a religion, then you're just wrong, no matter how you put it. atheists usually respond to provocation. and I mean, atheists couldn't express their opinions for a millennium, and now christians suddenly are being "persecuted"? they're being discriminated? attacked?
and you didn't answer me: what's the problem with debating just for the act of seeking truth? what if scientists gave up?
AshesWasHerName 3 years ago
my argument was never atheism is as i say it is, so i can't really defend an argument i didn't make. atheist couldn't express their opinions for a millenium? in what country? not the US. Christians from their inception have always been persecuted, and as the culture becomes more relativistic, Christians are increasingly ostracized for simply holding to their convictions, maybe you missed the prop 8 riots. and im not really understanding you're question?
veritaslogos 3 years ago
are you sure you live in this world? atheist were always considered heretics, pagans. whole countries and cultures were dizimated because of religious differences. if you didn't believe in god you'd be ostracized. christians are persecuted? hahaha! so what about the atheist created a proposition to TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHTS to something? how would YOU feel? and do you really think christians don't riot? don't provoke? don't discriminate (hahahahaha)?
seriously, open your eyes.
AshesWasHerName 3 years ago
u said atheist were always persecuted, i asked u go give me an example. telling me whole countries were, i think u ment to say decimated, is not tellin me anything about atheistic persecution, its vague and i think u know that. but even to that statement my response is whats ur point? you laff that Christians are persecuted but...they r. for u to laff only reflects ur ignorance, not any stupidity on my part.i really didn't understand the next part,and to the rest i ask..whats ur point if its tru
veritaslogos 3 years ago
the greeks persecuted atheists (socrates was accused of this, even though he wasn't), the romans persecuted atheists, atheists were considered heretics and persecuted during medieval times, the inquisition, galileo, etc etc... go grab a history book. christians have always been intolerant against those who don't share their ideals and now they have the persecution complex? I laugh because it's ironic. you all try to push your beliefs on everyone else, but when someone does one tiny thing...
AshesWasHerName 3 years ago
what do the greeks and romans have to do with Christians? Galileo wasn't an atheist, so u can't use that.the inquisition was mainly about heresy, which is an in-house issue, meaning those who are in a way of the faith but depart from orthodox doctrine,atheist dont really fit this bill. so the majority of the examples u cite dont work for u. im not sayin no atheist were persecuted ever, im sure there have been atheist persecuted at the hands of theist,but again i ask, wuts ur point?
veritaslogos 3 years ago
dude, christians persecute more than atheists. atheists have been more persecuted than christians. and there's still persecution today. prop 8, the sign on washington, etc. so I'm asking you, why are christians being persecuted? because someone makes a video saying they don't believe the same you do? that's persecution? because someone says bad stuff about jesus? what about all the things christians say about atheists and other religious minorities?
AshesWasHerName 3 years ago
...but when someone does one tiny thing against you, they're persecuting you. as if you guys are the holders of the absolute truth and morality of the universe or something. you've always been on the throne, and you're still the majority, and yet you claim to be persecuted by the same people you've been persecuting for millennia.
the point is: you're not being persecuted. you're just whining 'cause people have different beliefs. everyone has to put up with your beliefs all day long...
AshesWasHerName 3 years ago
What evidence is there that suggest that since its inception, Christianity has always been "on the throne". Christians are persecuted world-wide, i think your perception of this issue is very very small. no one is whining because ppl have differing beliefs, ppl always have. PPL dont "have to put up with our beliefs all day long" and thats obvious given the moral condition and laws of the land at this day n age.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
the fact that christianity was the official religion of the roman empires, and that most of the kingdoms in europe were christian and driven by religion has nothing to do with it? again, people don't have to put up with your beliefs? again, what about prop 8? the atheist sign? this whole thing about the war on christmas? just look around you, christianity is everywhere. lol, persecuted world-wide. you're funny.
AshesWasHerName 3 years ago
Christianity was enstated as the official religion 300 YEARS after its inception, prior to that, Christians were persecuted, like i said from their inception. well yeah all ppl have to put up with the beliefs of others because they have the freedom to express those beliefs. What anti-theist aim to do is take away that freedom of others. simply sayin "just look around u" wont do your case any good. in fact if a person does look around, they'll see world wide persecution of Christians.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
Persecution of Christians?
Ohhh, you mean when Christian parents kill their gay Christian children. Very clever what you did there.
ourben 3 years ago
well..thats not what i said..so i dont know that i was being clever in anyway, your underhanded comment aside. pointing to incidence of hate crimes preformed by those who call themselves Christians but certainly dont live true to doctrine, does absolutely nothing to absolve the fact of Christian persecution, nice try tho.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
Christian persecution as in what then?
ourben 3 years ago
and the 1000 years after that, it was the christians who persecuted everyone else. witch trials, expelling the jesuits, expelling the juslims, etc.
atheism is not the same as anti-theism. even then, it makes no sense to say that. theists are the ones taking away the freedom of others. prop 8, the muslim nations, etc. atheists don't want to take theists' freedom, they want to keep them from taking any more of ours.
AshesWasHerName 3 years ago
i think a fair thing to say is that you simply haven't dont know much about Christian persecution around the world cuz you haven't researched it. i understand that from where u stand you haven't come to KNOW that it happens, but it does, all the time. and yes, riots on churches for prop 8, dan barkers Christmas attacks are examples of persecution, but dont compare to the atrocities that happen in other places in the world.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
You know how to stop it don't you?
Stop being a mentalist.
ourben 3 years ago
given what i've said, it seems you're not clear on what a mentalist is. however even if i was one, i have that right in this country with no one trying to impede, so im not sure how that gets u anywhere.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
no, it isn't a fair thing to say. you don't know jack about me. riots on prop 8 churches? I wonder WHY that happened.
yeah, there are christians persecuted all over the world, most specifically in the middle east. but the same happens to non-christian theists and atheists. so you can't really use your persecution as a weapon, specially after the persecution christians did themselves.
also, there's no persecuting of christians in the US. it's the other way around.
AshesWasHerName 3 years ago
...everyone has to put up with your beliefs all day long, all year long, but you can't stand a little criticism. you can't stand questioning something rationally. it falls on deaf ears, just like this will probably fall too. if you don't want to understand, I can't help you.
AshesWasHerName 3 years ago
Who said i equated criticism with persecution,you're now confusing the issue. i dont care about questionin somethin rationally,i do it myself all the time.what goes on the in atheist community is not a "rational questioning" its simply a polemic assault,look at dan barker over the Christmas season.absolutely nothing even remotely like "rational questioning" just an unwarranted,hateful assault on the worldview of others. citing times that Christians supposedly did it doesn't acquit atheist.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
you're saying that christians are being persecuted because people are stating their opinions about your beliefs. is this not the case? then it's you not handling some criticism. I have to hear christian crap almost every day and I'm not complaining.
lol, don't you see that most atheists videos are a reaction to the ammount of creationist crap around here? they don't even know what the big bang theory is all about. how can atheists not respond?
is "ATHEISTS, YOU WILL BURN IN HELL" not hateful?
AshesWasHerName 3 years ago
the problem is how the abrahamic religions have taken over the world and are forcing their religions on everyone else. also, why must there be a reason for debating the truthness of something?
ALSO, atheism does not imply that the existence of a god is rejected completely. you can believe that it doesn't exist, but still pose the probability that it does, because we don't know everything.
AshesWasHerName 3 years ago
Weak atheism is the lack of belief in a god. It is by definition the default position.
Why atheists care? Bcuz religion causes unneccessary harm and because it is untrue. Atheists care about the truth unlike theists who prefer dogma.
kubush 3 years ago
im not going to debate anymore its like that saying goes .the world holds two classes of people intelligent men without religion and religious men without intelligence. you fit into the second .
ggo889 3 years ago 4
well i dont know that i have any reason to give merit to that quote, im sure i could think of some that insult you but it does nothing to make my case. i mean surely if you were so intelligent you could back up the claims you made, that you know for sure that there is no evidence anywhere for the existence of God. but you can't, tho u claim to be the intelligent one...
veritaslogos 3 years ago
to prove that god does not exist you only have to demonstrate that the concept of god is inconsistent.god is a theoretical entity that theists use to explain the origin of the universe .and the origin of all living things.and thats why i said science is my proof.because they can explain all these phenomena with out the need of an existence of god .
ggo889 3 years ago 4
well,i see that you believe that. but im not interested in that just yet. i just want to know how you know for a fact that there is NO evidence for God.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
"i just want to know how you know for a fact that there is NO evidence for God."
How do you know for a fact that there is no FSM? or Invisible Pink Unicorn? or Zues? or Apollo? or Allah? or Krishna? or Buddha? etc etc
When you understand why you dismiss all those other gods, you will understand why we dismiss yours.
kubush 3 years ago
the burden of proof is on theists.
AshesWasHerName 3 years ago
i think i owned you. your the one living a delusion not me you show me proof. you can not so goodbye
ggo889 3 years ago 4
im 99% certain that im right evolution is my PROOF YOU HAVE NONE and if that 1% did turn out to be a god ,it would be scientific not a theological one .thankyou and goodbye my friend its 3 am in england im going to sleep
ggo889 3 years ago 4
who said anything about evolution ggo? you said you know for a fact there is no evidence for God, i just want to know how you know that. it seems like your taking this in a direction not needed, a kind of red herring. if you made a mistep, just state it and we can move on, ppl make mistakes in thinking all the time, its not the end of the world
veritaslogos 3 years ago
it kind of seems like you're of the dawkins camp, tho its not my intention to generalize you. at any rate if you are try having a conversation that is free of insult, and if you make a claim dont shy away from the burden of proof.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
this can go on forever you show me there is proof .i know there is no god like there is no santa. no tooth fairy i just no. evolution is my proof whats yours ?
ggo889 3 years ago 3
well ggo, i agree this can go on forever if those who make claims are unwilling to show others why they believe as they do. YOU said there is NO evidence for God. so i asked how you know. you respond with i just know. this isn't proof and i thnk you know its a shabby job. if you can't show how you know theres no evidence for God just say so. unlike most atheist in these sort of discussions im not gonna say i "owned you" or ridicule your for not being able to back up your claim.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
because there is no scientific proof thats why
ggo889 3 years ago
isn't that just a reitteration of the thing im asking you to show. scientific proof, empirical evidence, its synonomous. so again i ask, how do you know there is no evidence or proof for God?
veritaslogos 3 years ago
can you see proof of god. if you can then tell me what. because i can not if there is a god like you think who made him ? this can go on forever but i have science to back me up you have nothing ?
ggo889 3 years ago
hold on ggo, you said there is no evidence for God, i just want to know how YOU know that. your knowledge isn't based on what i can see, so why ask me. you made your mind up to make that claim long before you met me. i'll ask again, how do you know theres no evidence for God.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
what im saying is there is no evidence of a god. and i do respect your view on your faith.because im not trying to change your view unlike some fundamentalist freaks who try to change me . im just telling you my own view.the universe is easier to accept than a conscious creator .
ggo889 3 years ago
how do you know theres no evidence for God? trying to change someones view doesn't mean you dont respect it. mischaracterizing it on purpose in a derisive manner however is. this is expendable tho, i just want to know how you know theres no evidence for God.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
look around you do you see any evidence of god .i only see proof of evolution maybe im blind but i just dont see it but i respect your view.
ggo889 3 years ago
well actually, i dont think you do in fact you've shown you dont, but thats inconsequential. Well you ask me if i see evidence for God, i think i do. however you said first, that there wasn't any evidence for God, then you said you haven't found any. So are you saying that because you haven't found any evidence for God, that that means that there isn't any?
veritaslogos 3 years ago
so you can hear the truth
ggo889 3 years ago
well i wasn't asking you that, but thanks. i asked you how do u know God has not left any evidence of His existence?
veritaslogos 3 years ago
because god has never left any evidence of his existence.god is imaginary .but if you want to believe in the jewish zombie named jesus.and the talking snake and magical tree thats ok i will believe in evolution
ggo889 3 years ago
how do you know God has not left any evidence of His existence?
veritaslogos 3 years ago
science has buried god it has proven its all fake .god is imaginary
ggo889 3 years ago
in what way has science buried God and proven that God is fake?
veritaslogos 3 years ago
We are obsessed with theism, we are obsessed with what your theism is doing Controlling and destroying.
Clemburke1111 3 years ago
Why were slaves and liberators so obsessed with slave owners?
Grow up. Open your eyes.
ByronC900 3 years ago
You seem to be very intelligent and articulate. I only have one problem with your speech. You said "first you have to prove there is no god". Actually, the burden of proof falls on the one asserting the existence of something for which there is no physical evidence. Atheists don't have to prove there's no god any more that they have to prove there's no tooth fairy. That said, I don't think all theists are stupid, like some nonbelievers. I used to be a devout christian myself. Peace amigo.
WineisyourFriend 3 years ago
Atheism is the default position. You have to prove God exists but you can't. We can prove that all Gods we know of don't exist, though we can't prove there is 'no God.' There is no Yahweh.
#1. Theist fairy tales are funny.
#2. Once you realize that these dumbass beliefs have been intergrated into our society you realize how offensive it is for someones false ideals to affect you.
#3. Religion slows progress of all kind (moral, academic, etc.)
#4 It is our right to tell people they are wrong.
daswann14 3 years ago
interesting...that made me think veritaslogas...this is boriquaz_finest from bp but i deleted my acccount..idk if you remember me or not but i like wat you stated!!
vcarr85 3 years ago
Don`t confuse atheists` stand for REASON and logic as a stand against religion per se.
Philos2006 3 years ago
I, personally, care about religions simply because I am interested in what people believe and why they believe it. I take part in debate often to challenge, but never to attack. Contrary to the militant atheists like you listed in your video, I don't think religion is evil. I think religion can be healthy and good so long as that religion isn't used to oppress other people, attack civil rights or to impede human progress in fields like science and medicine.
ElusiveAnole 3 years ago
When preachy theists attack me or atheism, then I will defend myself. As I am sure you would defend yourself from an antitheist or a militant atheist.
Overall, don't generalize us. Atheists are part of a diverse community. Not all of us are mean-spirited, antitheist or militant.
Take care. :)
ElusiveAnole 3 years ago 2
speaking for myself, as an atheist, i agree with you. i could care less what religion anyone follows or doesn't follow. what got me involved with the atheist/theist debate here are the "proof of god" videos, some of which make absurd claims (i.e. Ray Comfort's Banana theory). any comments or videos i have were in response to theists assertion that they have "proof" of god. i have questions for anyone that makes that claim. if that is what you call obsession, then yes, i am obsessed with theists.
cystemic 3 years ago
and i've never tried to "convert" anyone. my only goal is to question or debunk the claims of theists, just as theists goal seems to be questioning or debunking what science claims. i say if religion works for you, great! but don't make bogus claims to prove your beliefs.
cystemic 3 years ago
the good theist, atleast from the Christian persuasion, doesn't "debunk" what is scientific, if it is truely scientific. I think what you seem to be referring to is something like evolution. The theist that contends with it (and its not only theists) should be doing so becauase of the unscientific claims of evolution; misapplications of the discipline.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
yes, evolution, the age of the Earth, the origins of life... all those things that science proved you don't need god for.
what are the "unscientific claims" of evolution?
cystemic 3 years ago
Simple. When theists of all faiths remove their shit from schools ie education, politics, economy, sexuality, then religions can do whatever it wants to do to peoples' brains. Such as it does. Until then, atheists will keep bickering over this topic because someone else's beliefs effects their lives. That's why.
Domzdream 3 years ago
i think atheists have an obsession with theists because they simply suck at life.they attack theism because it helps 2 convince them that GOD is not real ... which they hope and pray 2 b the case LOLZ.
1big10incher 3 years ago
This is a Theists world. Most people believe in god in some degree. For people who do not believe, there are not many outlets to express their thoughts. Atheists need a voice.
thickblkpa 3 years ago 2
why do atheist need a voice?
veritaslogos 3 years ago
My mother was told she would burn in hell forever a while ago by a local church. Mind you, It was in a very civil tone.
But it upset her greatly.
CognosSquare 3 years ago 2
your not telling the whole story...
they probably told her that she would burn in hell,
but your forgetting to include the part where they said, "unless you pray to God and ask for forgiveness and for him to come into your heart as your Lord and Personal Savior"
... basically getting saved.
before you argue a point and make us Christians look bad, make sure you give the whole story.
thanks.
Precious2012 3 years ago
Not all atheists care whether others believe in God. And some atheists even respect and envy the faithful but just can't bring themselves to believe. What you are talking about are atheists who not only don't believe in God but take issue with those who do. They are called "anti-theists" and their issue with religion extends far beyond its lack of evidence. Hope that clears things up.
tbonealex 3 years ago
Welcome to the marketplace of ideas.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Was going to comment but everybody seems to have run through standard, even self-evident, list that half an hour's thought or ten minutes looking at any decent YouTube atheist's video would have answered for you.
Stop trying to cast yourself and all other theists as the victims of the piece, a cursory look at any social history will demonstrate that it was, is and sadly will be for some time the non-believer who is persecuted for his opinions.
Boldhome 3 years ago
why are you so obsessed with attacking atheists?
zawam 3 years ago
attacking?...interesting
veritaslogos 3 years ago
Interesting you find this hard to understand. Imagine 90% of the people believed in leprechauns, and basically hated non-believers in leprechauns, got special tax free leprechaun hunting stores, etc. You either have no empathy, or, haven't thought about this very hard at all. Try thinking about it.
ScaryReasoner 3 years ago
To sum up a long comment which I may or may not finish (because naturally I don't agree with everything here, being another person & all) I'll refer you to Sam Harris criticising the idea of an atheist movement to a stunned into a lulzworthy silence conference of atheists... link wont work but search YouTube for 'Sam Harris AAI 2007' rationalresponse posted it (yes that reational response...)
WholeDarnShow 3 years ago
The burden of proof lies with one who makes the claim. Theists make a claim we do not believe, however, we ourselves do not make a claim. I have never seen a definition of religion that would apply to atheism (some take things too far, but that is another matter).
Why do I care at all?
It wont let me post a link (for whatever reason), but check out the youtube vid "why do atheists care about religion?" posted by imrational.
naejimba 3 years ago
If your point is "what's your beef with religion, what do you care what people believe?", I would throw the question right back at you: What do you care that there are atheists out there, what's YOUR beef?
As far as proving there is no God... well, I would suggest researching "burden of proof" or "russell's teapot".
Edella 3 years ago
its interesting that you did not pose the same question back to me. instead of saying, why do you care what atheist believe", you asked why do i care that there are atheist out there. Why not just phrase it that way, when that really is the meat of the question?
veritaslogos 3 years ago
Because many consider atheism a LACK of belief. Word the question however you like, throw belief in there, I don't care... as long as you understand the essence of the question :)
Edella 3 years ago
but it does indeed seem as though you are essentially asking why do i care what atheist believe. the only reason for avoiding reciprocating the question back the way it was asked seems to be to dodge the obvious problem with it.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
"but it does indeed seem as though you are essentially asking why do i care what atheist believe."
Fine. Then word it that way. You seem to think I have a problem with people considering atheism a belief. I don't. And speaking of "dodge", you haven't answered yet.
Edella 3 years ago
just tryin to get a clear question, to provide an acurate answer. Its not that i "care what atheist believe" but rather im curious as to why it is the goal to advance a non belief, and also ridicule those who lack a belief that God doesn't exist. To go to the extent of ppl like dawkins who conclude that religious ppl might have a mental disorder or should be accused of child abuse for raising their children in what they think is correct, to me is simply doing what you accuse theist of doing.
veritaslogos 3 years ago
interesting observation.
FaithandReasons 3 years ago
Dude, you make the claim, atheists don't... The onus is on you, we don't need to prove anything...
We are rightfully upset by theists... They've shown themselves to be all too keen to regulate everyone's life with their arbitrary non-sensical and often immoral rules...
It's no skin of my nose if you believe in god, but it is my concern when leaders of powerful nations believe in things such as rapture... If that isn't scary to you, you need to re-evaluate your views...
Atheistblindchick 3 years ago 2
To all that add: Getting a free ride at taxpayers' expense. Religious tax-exemption is, for all practical purposes, a government subsidy. If organized religions had to pay property taxes, the National Debt would be wiped out within a few years.
Gwaithmir 3 years ago 2
philhellenes 3 years ago 2
Manly this "obsession with theism" is a counter-movement to the New Christian Right, Islamic Fundamentalism and all that comes with it.
People try to install religious beliefes in the government. Doing politics according to religious beliefes.
Destroying basic human rights.
Destroying religious freedom.
Resulting in murder.
Exclusion.
Separation of people.
And than claim that they are all good Christians and the only moral people anyway...
I just hate hypocracy lies and anything that supports it
SergejEisenstein1 3 years ago 2
srry, misspelled^^ ->mainly
and forgot things like indoctrination, which is in enough countrys in any other field outlawed.
Aggressive missionarism.
Bann of condomes, resulting in millions unnecessiary STD.
Supports autoritative thinking
Regarding what you said.
It is impossible to prove a negative, therefor also impossible to disprove god.
Even through it is possible to prove the common definition of god as impossible
->Theodicy-Problem (impossible do solve, unless you change thhe definition)
SergejEisenstein1 3 years ago