@Acification95 I think Jackie does a shaolin based version of snake where as Hsing yi is not a shaolin based system. I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong : )
Your school obviously practices Yang style tai chi, as your snake application tends to turn into part the horses' mane. Your teacher does it more clearly, but in my opinion snake should be a short, sharp strike to the groin or ribs. Even if you use snake for a part horse type application it should have xingyi jin (quick and crispy). Just some general ideas to play around with :D
@mixjourneyman thats the cool thing about internal martial arts, there is no style. I have a xingyi back ground and it has heavily influenced my taiji, but that doesn't mean it isn't effective its just different jins expanded upon, as long as the internal principles are applied it'll work. Gotta love Nei jia quan. :)
Of course, because clearly you were taught only the techniques themselves in loose arrangement, and never situations where you might use certian things. As a second point, you're a trained kung-fu practitioner, correct? What are you doing taking a swing at another person in the first place?
they're just practicing lol. it's not like they're gonna be going that slow in real situations.. as soon as they get it down, muscle memory everything. they build up on the speed and power :P
as it were, there was three beats by the defender issuing the technique while the attacker issued one beat by executing a punch. if you know anything about kung fu i wouldnt have to explain more let alone the futility of practing pre-arranged techniques
Practicing pre-arranged attacks is the only way to learn the defensive techniques in the beginning. Later, when the student knows how to use enough techniques properly, he can practice it without pre-arranged attacks.
listening jing is basic knowlege that you are clearly not familiar with.
its like your comment had nothing to do with the nature of my statement. actually, only partly true. i said, plainly by example of this prearranged sequence its not practical. if you did this in chi sao, pushhands, spinning hands. you would quickly learn the error of this movement. as it is not live.
"sticky hands aka chisao" ? there is dan chi sao, lop sau, pak sau to some extent. are all good for beginners that teach the economy and efficiencey of motion. push hands is tai chi and even then they have basic exercises like general kwai grinds the axe. goju ryu even has sticky hands. its all live and do not deal in what ifs. this guy throws a single punch and holds it there to be struck? an opponent would move while you are still programed to execute this movement. what then? wasted tech.
i agree, more proper training that is reactive and proactive not robotic. like i said, above. either you accept that and become better or you ignore me and continue to be at the level you are and never equal or exceed the skills of your sifu. i wish someone would have said this to me some 20 years ago.
My sifu is an excellent teacher/fighter, I think he would know best on how to make me into a better fighter..
But I will ask him about the realism of pre-arranged excercises... But I think he will say that it's the best way to learn the basic movements... I mean, if you do everything ''live'' from the start, how can you know what to do? You need to explain something better because I don't understand it... Do you have a site or a book you can recommend? I would like to read about it.
yes, the sword polishers record...and there is an exellent movie called the prodigal son with yuen biao, lam ching ying, and sammo hung. pay attention to lueng jians teachers and what yee tai says about them when he and jian fight on stage.
i gave you many expamples already. why didnt you research all of the exercises that i stated above? i dont doubt your teachers ability but, i do doubt what hes teaching.
Thank you for the book and movie, I will read/see them.
I have already checked for the styles you mentioned but all I saw were the same exercises we practice at my school... Sticky hands, sensing the connection to your opponent and the constant changing... But let me tell you this; we already need to practice those exercises but in MY opinion (maybe my sifu will disagree) I think that basic applications like shown above are more practical..
But maybe I have that opinion because I'm not advanced enough to see the importance. For someone that has trained 20 year, you must have a better understanding in kung fu, and I will certainly ask my sifu about the importance of stikcy hands and sensing the opponent.. Thank you for trying to explain something so difficult :-)
@Happyanand69 Yeah, by practicing movements, you learn movements. But by practicing in an alive way, you learn to apply movement principles. Fighting btw is mush simpler than most people think (and teach). Just use halfstep and perfect timing to get in there and take him out. Anything in excess of this is good either for self improvement or lookin' good, but not really neccessary or to defend oneself.
@piaten; I'm starting to see what he meant. In the end it's all about timing and distance. Technique, power, speed, strategy all needs to be natural. Then you can train alive and focus on distance and perfect timing. Very difficult when you have multiple opponents in my opinion... Takes a lot of hard work and guidance by your sifu.
@Anandfulness Just because it's simple, does NOT equal easy! There's many aspects, like mind, eyes, and so forth. One thing that helped me along, was the notion that whenever you block or deflect, you don't just block/deflect the attacking limb, but you try and block or deflect his entire body and movement, thereby rendering him helpless and unable to follow up for a split second. And once there, of course, you never ever let him back into the fight again..
why is jackie chan snake kung fu so different from all of the demonstrations that i have seen?
which snake style does he do in the movie: southern/northern?
Acification95 9 months ago
@Acification95 I think Jackie does a shaolin based version of snake where as Hsing yi is not a shaolin based system. I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong : )
Rantman15 8 months ago
looks like tai chi
foxybrown2 1 year ago
Your school obviously practices Yang style tai chi, as your snake application tends to turn into part the horses' mane. Your teacher does it more clearly, but in my opinion snake should be a short, sharp strike to the groin or ribs. Even if you use snake for a part horse type application it should have xingyi jin (quick and crispy). Just some general ideas to play around with :D
mixjourneyman 2 years ago
@mixjourneyman thats the cool thing about internal martial arts, there is no style. I have a xingyi back ground and it has heavily influenced my taiji, but that doesn't mean it isn't effective its just different jins expanded upon, as long as the internal principles are applied it'll work. Gotta love Nei jia quan. :)
WarriorOfTheBlackSun 1 year ago 2
Of course, because clearly you were taught only the techniques themselves in loose arrangement, and never situations where you might use certian things. As a second point, you're a trained kung-fu practitioner, correct? What are you doing taking a swing at another person in the first place?
PXCharon 3 years ago 2
I don't know of any compassion in Xing Yi style
at all.
notyourmind 3 years ago
Good XingYi application.
notyourmind 3 years ago
im doing what while you are holding my wrist.
opticannon 3 years ago
they're just practicing lol. it's not like they're gonna be going that slow in real situations.. as soon as they get it down, muscle memory everything. they build up on the speed and power :P
rifler27 3 years ago
as it were, there was three beats by the defender issuing the technique while the attacker issued one beat by executing a punch. if you know anything about kung fu i wouldnt have to explain more let alone the futility of practing pre-arranged techniques
opticannon 3 years ago
Practicing pre-arranged attacks is the only way to learn the defensive techniques in the beginning. Later, when the student knows how to use enough techniques properly, he can practice it without pre-arranged attacks.
That's basic knowledge man...
Happyanand69 2 years ago
no.
listening jing is basic knowlege that you are clearly not familiar with.
its like your comment had nothing to do with the nature of my statement. actually, only partly true. i said, plainly by example of this prearranged sequence its not practical. if you did this in chi sao, pushhands, spinning hands. you would quickly learn the error of this movement. as it is not live.
opticannon 2 years ago
By pushing hands and spinning hands do you mean ''sticky hands''?
I don't think sticky hands is a good application you should give to beginners...
Happyanand69 2 years ago
"sticky hands aka chisao" ? there is dan chi sao, lop sau, pak sau to some extent. are all good for beginners that teach the economy and efficiencey of motion. push hands is tai chi and even then they have basic exercises like general kwai grinds the axe. goju ryu even has sticky hands. its all live and do not deal in what ifs. this guy throws a single punch and holds it there to be struck? an opponent would move while you are still programed to execute this movement. what then? wasted tech.
opticannon 2 years ago
If an opponent moves while your technique isn't finished yet then it's the fault of yourself. More training is required..
Happyanand69 2 years ago
i agree, more proper training that is reactive and proactive not robotic. like i said, above. either you accept that and become better or you ignore me and continue to be at the level you are and never equal or exceed the skills of your sifu. i wish someone would have said this to me some 20 years ago.
opticannon 2 years ago
My sifu is an excellent teacher/fighter, I think he would know best on how to make me into a better fighter..
But I will ask him about the realism of pre-arranged excercises... But I think he will say that it's the best way to learn the basic movements... I mean, if you do everything ''live'' from the start, how can you know what to do? You need to explain something better because I don't understand it... Do you have a site or a book you can recommend? I would like to read about it.
Happyanand69 2 years ago
yes, the sword polishers record...and there is an exellent movie called the prodigal son with yuen biao, lam ching ying, and sammo hung. pay attention to lueng jians teachers and what yee tai says about them when he and jian fight on stage.
i gave you many expamples already. why didnt you research all of the exercises that i stated above? i dont doubt your teachers ability but, i do doubt what hes teaching.
opticannon 2 years ago
Thank you for the book and movie, I will read/see them.
I have already checked for the styles you mentioned but all I saw were the same exercises we practice at my school... Sticky hands, sensing the connection to your opponent and the constant changing... But let me tell you this; we already need to practice those exercises but in MY opinion (maybe my sifu will disagree) I think that basic applications like shown above are more practical..
Happyanand69 2 years ago
But maybe I have that opinion because I'm not advanced enough to see the importance. For someone that has trained 20 year, you must have a better understanding in kung fu, and I will certainly ask my sifu about the importance of stikcy hands and sensing the opponent.. Thank you for trying to explain something so difficult :-)
Happyanand69 2 years ago
it makes me feel good inside to know that i have actually helped you. in truth alot of what i say falls upon deaf ears here on this youtube thingy...
opticannon 2 years ago
@Happyanand69 Yeah, by practicing movements, you learn movements. But by practicing in an alive way, you learn to apply movement principles. Fighting btw is mush simpler than most people think (and teach). Just use halfstep and perfect timing to get in there and take him out. Anything in excess of this is good either for self improvement or lookin' good, but not really neccessary or to defend oneself.
piaten 1 year ago
@piaten; I'm starting to see what he meant. In the end it's all about timing and distance. Technique, power, speed, strategy all needs to be natural. Then you can train alive and focus on distance and perfect timing. Very difficult when you have multiple opponents in my opinion... Takes a lot of hard work and guidance by your sifu.
Anandfulness 1 year ago
@Anandfulness Just because it's simple, does NOT equal easy! There's many aspects, like mind, eyes, and so forth. One thing that helped me along, was the notion that whenever you block or deflect, you don't just block/deflect the attacking limb, but you try and block or deflect his entire body and movement, thereby rendering him helpless and unable to follow up for a split second. And once there, of course, you never ever let him back into the fight again..
piaten 1 year ago
hahahahhahahah
tpbisdivine 3 years ago
and what are you on about?
opticannon 2 years ago
아.. 이거 배우고 싶은데요.. ㅜㅜ
여긴 선생님 없어요..
어디서 녹화하셨어요?
thanks for posting. snake style is so interesting.
poisonedmorbal 3 years ago
cool!
Bloo5634 4 years ago