Look at the backseater. Now that guy is obviously an experienced pilot/crewmember. He's thinking and not panicking in any way. Watch as he braces himself with both hands then starts removing his harness to evacuate the aircraft before it even stops.
@AirborneOptics No, he was the engineer that didn't survey the landing field leading to the mishap. In reality he has nearly zero flight experience and was just scared shitless.
I'm impressed at the amount of abuse she took and still expelled two live bodies with what appeared to be marginal damage to the ship. Kudos to the pilot!
@bromonk55 This aircraft has already been fixed and attended the airshow in Paris. It had minimal damage the the air frame. Replaced a few skins, landing gear, and prop, and she is good to go.
Amazing that this is a "crash" landing. I was expecting roll over and fireball. I knew these planes were work horses but holy crap. Talk about engineering.
I would have jammed in power on the first bounce and done a go-around. Personal experience has shown me that trying to save a bad bounce compounds the bad situation.
@fastpilot turbines don't have instant response like a regular engine. I am not sure he had any business in a plane that large to begin with. If you fly a tail wheel and don't use your feet this is going to happen. It sucks that it had to happen to a million dollar plus plane.
@jeremyrenken00 crabbing is fine until just before touching in. Then you have to hold the wing down and use your feet to keep it straight. If a plane this large starts to go and you don't stop it with rudder and break, you are there for the ride. A turbine takes a few seconds to spool back up to power, but in this case the pilot let it get away from him by not using the coreect control inputs. If he did have instant power and shot the juice to it, the torque would have made it worse to stop.
You can Monday morning quarterback this one all you want... the bottom line is, BOTH crew members walked away. Regardless of what did or didnt happen to cause this accident, that's a win in my book.
This was a really rough strip, where the birm at the end blended in. Other "COIN" trainer aircraft with their 6 inch prop clearance and T-38 wheels wouldn't have ever tried it, they need 5,000 feet of concrete (or a dry lake bed). Any other aircraft would have been a fireball, with two dead, instead of walking away. The steel spring landing gear did their job, sheared as designed, and the plane has been completely repaired, just waiting on an engine. Any other plane would burned.
He did stall it and should of pushed foward on the stick after hitting the berm, but you cant criticize what he did, it that situation most of us would of did what he did, it is easy to say what he did was wrong sitting here watching it but in that situation most of us would of did exactly what he did
The most important thing to note here is that none of the ocupants of the airplane were injured. Mr. Snow's emphasis on safety has given many of us a second chance. Too bad it happened. And the person flying that plane has to be an expierienced one, insurers and owners alike will not let a million dollar airplane get into the hands of a rookie.
Actually, Chauss513, it would be very useful in the counter-insurgency realm (Afghanistan for instance). It is slow enough to allow for precision attack, but much cheaper to operate than a helicopter such as the AH-64 Apache, flies at about the same speed, carries similar weaponry and costs a fraction of the price.The USAF and Navy have considered COIN fighters - low-speed aircraft derived from trainers (think of the AT-28 and AT-37 of Cold War days).
Inexperienced pilot at the controls. Tailwheel hit hard causing mains to hit even harder. Pilot made "green" mistake of trying to fly out of it, added power(mistake), and stalled left wing causing a severe ground loop. Left landing gear broke off and the rest is history. Bet the Army is impressed! They should get a Real agpilot to demo the U!
@dusterpilot First of all, maybe you should know some facts before you start running down the pilot. The fact is that the end of the runway has a burm that is at least ten foot tall and blends in perfectly with the rest of the runway, essentially making it invisible for someone that has never landed there. If you will watch a little closer you might notice that. Of course it is easy for you to pass judgment on someone you don't even know and for your sake, I hope you never meet him.
'Marketing materials, which prominently feature N4247U, reveal that the AT-802U is designed to fly for 10h and carry munitions on 11 hard points under the wings and fuselage, including Gatling guns, Hellfire missiles, laser-guided rockets and laser-guided bombs.'
This is for use against American Citizens? Certainly no good against an equipped aggressor..
I do all my crashing in the morning, with RC planes.
glassdogangle 2 weeks ago
@jimmy34101 You're a dumbass.
tylersmills01 1 month ago
nothing drops a wing like an air tractor
jimmy34101 2 months ago
that'll buff out.
poosanta 3 months ago 2
Look at the backseater. Now that guy is obviously an experienced pilot/crewmember. He's thinking and not panicking in any way. Watch as he braces himself with both hands then starts removing his harness to evacuate the aircraft before it even stops.
AirborneOptics 3 months ago
@AirborneOptics No, he was the engineer that didn't survey the landing field leading to the mishap. In reality he has nearly zero flight experience and was just scared shitless.
Aerialattack1 3 months ago
That is a tough little aircraft.
Wonkabar007 4 months ago
This kind of ruggedness makes me think the structure could probably take significant ground fire as well.
jeremyrenken00 4 months ago
I'm impressed at the amount of abuse she took and still expelled two live bodies with what appeared to be marginal damage to the ship. Kudos to the pilot!
bromonk55 4 months ago
@bromonk55 This aircraft has already been fixed and attended the airshow in Paris. It had minimal damage the the air frame. Replaced a few skins, landing gear, and prop, and she is good to go.
codybill1 1 month ago
Nice practice of the herp a derp, derp landing.
viper8red 4 months ago
wouldn't have happened ina fletcher
jimmy34101 4 months ago
Better use a wheel based tractor the next time.
JohanKH 5 months ago
Amazing that this is a "crash" landing. I was expecting roll over and fireball. I knew these planes were work horses but holy crap. Talk about engineering.
sultros 5 months ago
I would have jammed in power on the first bounce and done a go-around. Personal experience has shown me that trying to save a bad bounce compounds the bad situation.
fastpilot 6 months ago
@fastpilot turbines don't have instant response like a regular engine. I am not sure he had any business in a plane that large to begin with. If you fly a tail wheel and don't use your feet this is going to happen. It sucks that it had to happen to a million dollar plus plane.
TheTodd2u 5 months ago
@TheTodd2u What technique are you talking about? Setting a crab and holding up the turbine speed incase you need power quickly?
jeremyrenken00 4 months ago
@jeremyrenken00 crabbing is fine until just before touching in. Then you have to hold the wing down and use your feet to keep it straight. If a plane this large starts to go and you don't stop it with rudder and break, you are there for the ride. A turbine takes a few seconds to spool back up to power, but in this case the pilot let it get away from him by not using the coreect control inputs. If he did have instant power and shot the juice to it, the torque would have made it worse to stop.
TheTodd2u 4 months ago
There is a reason they named these planes Air TRACTORS...
GoatBarn 6 months ago
A little right rudder may have helped a little. I did not see any put in it all.
TheTodd2u 6 months ago
That is real easy to do in any air tractor, that is why we love them so much.
bottomseeder452000 7 months ago
Goes to show how well these aircraft are made. If I was an ag pilot I'd want one of those around me.
oatminus20 7 months ago
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kevinpahl1 8 months ago
Uncontrolled, controlled crash. If you can walk when your done, "now where did I put that new airplane."
dbharr77 9 months ago
You can Monday morning quarterback this one all you want... the bottom line is, BOTH crew members walked away. Regardless of what did or didnt happen to cause this accident, that's a win in my book.
agcatdriver 11 months ago 14
How do you Know if you left the gear up?/
Takes Full Power To Taxi.
agrockett502jk 11 months ago
See802kc short field landing thats how its dun.
agrockett502jk 11 months ago
eject eject eject
agrockett502jk 11 months ago
falls back on PIC
MrTonyr94 11 months ago
great airplane, stayed together like it should
cassuttracer0C8 11 months ago
This was a really rough strip, where the birm at the end blended in. Other "COIN" trainer aircraft with their 6 inch prop clearance and T-38 wheels wouldn't have ever tried it, they need 5,000 feet of concrete (or a dry lake bed). Any other aircraft would have been a fireball, with two dead, instead of walking away. The steel spring landing gear did their job, sheared as designed, and the plane has been completely repaired, just waiting on an engine. Any other plane would burned.
Aerialattack1 1 year ago 11
@Aerialattack1 Except a Thrush.
antimattercrusader 3 months ago
He did stall it and should of pushed foward on the stick after hitting the berm, but you cant criticize what he did, it that situation most of us would of did what he did, it is easy to say what he did was wrong sitting here watching it but in that situation most of us would of did exactly what he did
ccpilot100 1 year ago
Maybe the army should to look for other kind of pilot....real cropdusters
airtractordrivers 1 year ago
@airtractordrivers I"ve seen "real" ag pilots screw up this bad and worse, so dont go there. We arent invincible.
agcatdriver 11 months ago 2
The most important thing to note here is that none of the ocupants of the airplane were injured. Mr. Snow's emphasis on safety has given many of us a second chance. Too bad it happened. And the person flying that plane has to be an expierienced one, insurers and owners alike will not let a million dollar airplane get into the hands of a rookie.
agpilotgt 1 year ago
Dusterpilot, you can rest assured this was NOT an experienced pilot. He's my dad, he's been flying all his life, and he's amazing.
kerriedoll 1 year ago 3
@kerriedoll So dusterpilot was totally right then...
TomcatMVD 1 year ago
@kerriedoll I think you meant to say he is NOT and inexperienced pilot.
codybill1 1 year ago
ouch
viperq 1 year ago
Actually, Chauss513, it would be very useful in the counter-insurgency realm (Afghanistan for instance). It is slow enough to allow for precision attack, but much cheaper to operate than a helicopter such as the AH-64 Apache, flies at about the same speed, carries similar weaponry and costs a fraction of the price.The USAF and Navy have considered COIN fighters - low-speed aircraft derived from trainers (think of the AT-28 and AT-37 of Cold War days).
mikeosborne83 1 year ago
Inexperienced pilot at the controls. Tailwheel hit hard causing mains to hit even harder. Pilot made "green" mistake of trying to fly out of it, added power(mistake), and stalled left wing causing a severe ground loop. Left landing gear broke off and the rest is history. Bet the Army is impressed! They should get a Real agpilot to demo the U!
dusterpilot 1 year ago
@dusterpilot First of all, maybe you should know some facts before you start running down the pilot. The fact is that the end of the runway has a burm that is at least ten foot tall and blends in perfectly with the rest of the runway, essentially making it invisible for someone that has never landed there. If you will watch a little closer you might notice that. Of course it is easy for you to pass judgment on someone you don't even know and for your sake, I hope you never meet him.
codybill1 1 year ago 2
@codybill1 10ft, I don't think so...
unapro3 7 months ago
@unapro3 The accident report filed by the NTSB states that the berm was 10 to 12 feet high.
doubletothetop 7 months ago
@doubletothetop well I guess I stand corrected, cheers for the info.
unapro3 6 months ago
'Marketing materials, which prominently feature N4247U, reveal that the AT-802U is designed to fly for 10h and carry munitions on 11 hard points under the wings and fuselage, including Gatling guns, Hellfire missiles, laser-guided rockets and laser-guided bombs.'
This is for use against American Citizens? Certainly no good against an equipped aggressor..
chauss513 1 year ago
Oooops thats not good :-(.
markuitandel 1 year ago