@HappyCabbie I think it's a question that can't be answered, because Atheism is a belief in someone's mind that god(s) don't exist. Therefore either you have this belief in your mind or you don't, it cannot be proven.
Also I have seen many answers to this question but the theists are choosing to ignore them.
WHY CANT U JUST GET IT THROUGH UR THICK FUCKING HEADS THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS DIFFERENT FROM U DOESNT MEAN THAT THEY HAVE THE FUCKING DEVIL ON THEM! i cant belive in god because i have seen what people do and i am horrified that our "almighty God" could let this happen. i mean seriously theres war, injustices, slavery, bullies, haters, rapists, animal abusers, murderers, kidnapers,...etc
im 13 and im an athiest. i want to belive in god but there has been enough shit in my life to take me away from that belief. i am fed up with all the different beliefs and there pathedic ways of talking about what to do and if ur like this than this will happen r the devils in u. i mean like in this one religion they believe that if ur gay then the devils in u. you kno what i have to say to that? FUCK U MY BEST FRIENDS BROTHER IS GAY AND 4 OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE BI WHAT IS FUCKING WRONG WITH U?
Everyone is just confused because the terms "agnostic-atheist" and “gnostic atheist" are appearing in blogs and YT channels these days. Atheist PHILOSOPHERS believe that atheism does indeed require arguments against god. Just because YT teenagers don’t believe it, doesn’t mean it’s not true. Here it’s not that hard:
1) If god exists he must have free will and exist outside of time
2) No being can have free will and exist outside of time
@TheAndrey631 Your ignorance pisses me off. Let's flip the card. Christians... you don't believe there is a God you just lack belief for any other religion. It's all the same. Everyone is born an atheist. To believe otherwise you don't need evidence but you should want it, but you do NEED hard evidence to attempt to prove this to anyone else. Not bible scriptures, strange markings, or "inexplicable events".
I love the way Jim Jeffries, the comedian, puts it, regarding the Ten Commandments. He says they are nonsense and should be replaced by only one. When we're born, we're given a piece of paper, which we read every day, with only one sentence: "Try not to be a c*nt today."
@TheBjs345 sorry there is no "just saying" if you make an assertion it is unreasonable to expect no debate, especially when the statement you made about the atheist position is a straw man. we do not believe there is no god, but rather just reject the claim that there is. see the difference? in other words one is making a claim and the other is rejecting a claim. a common mistake amongst theists.
You are believe in god, and your god is "NOTHING" and his son is "BIG BANG". But you place yourself in even less lack of evidence. So be smart and go back to real God: even if you will not find answers on all questions, but you will have a more evidence! Remmember - you are still believer, only now you believe in Satan's religion!
lol that guy... i got into an accidental debate with him. Long story short, it's appalling at how blatantly stupid people can be. He knows his beliefs are a crock of shit and yet he still holds onto them. I can easily say the best trolls i have ever encountered are Christian.
1/3 the stuff in bibles are complete lies. I mean it was created how long ago? and how can we guarantee that some people didnt just make stuff up because they wanted to or to take control over people? and lets be honest its not like humans were exact eintsteins back then anyway, they just didnt want to be afraid of dying i geuss which makes me agnostic.
Only death can answer that question and you can't simply die and then come back and tell your friends "Hey! I was there and I saw him on a throne in a white tux... Blah blah blah" or "Hey! I was there and everything turned pitch black and stayed that way and thought 'Hey, this isn't cool' and came back to tell you guys!" I have no gripe with atheists. You do you, I do me, I say. Good luck.
Lol I always start out strong and assertive in these religious debates, but then I always begin to lose that vehemence out of result of feeling bad for how utterly illiterate, stupid and illogical the people who I’m talking to are.
@Metallimeister What evidence do you have that not collecting stamps is fun hobby? You’re answer: “You can SEE other people do it and decide if it’s fun or not.” …Really? So you just observe other people NOT collecting stamps, and then decide if it’s fun or not – pardon my interjection, but I didn’t know that it was inductively possible even to do that...
How do you prove a disbelief in something? ...Wtf?? The question is like asking someone to prove that the disbelief non-astrology is true. How does this question make any sense whatsoever? Someone help.
@Metallimeister Lol, did you think before you typed that…? So if I was living 200 years ago and couldn’t prove that other galaxies existed, that means— haha!, ok nice logic.
@Metallimeister You said verbatim, “If you can’t prove something, then it does not exist.” If we were living 200 years ago no one would be able to prove that galaxies exist, THEREFOR according to your logic, that means that they don’t exist. Your logic doesn’t span, and is completely intransitive. I love how you can’t even recognize a fallacy undermining your logic that salient and conspicuous.
@Metallimeister Yes I completely agree, and you’re absolutely correct. If they couldn’t prove it, then they shouldn’t believe it – but that’s not what you said! This is what you said (verbatim): “If you can’t prove something, then it does not exist.” So not only are you saying that if people couldn’t prove that galaxies existed they should repudiate them (which they should,) but you’re also saying that the galaxies themselves don’t exist. If you typed that statement of urs wrong tho let me kno
@Metallimeister That would be a very depressing world to live in. There would be no point in conducting research or exploring new frontiers. Did sub-atomic particles not exist until very recently? If not, why did we see evidence suggesting their existence before we had definitive proof?
I can't provide evidence of "God", but, I would say that there is a mathematical certainty that superior intelligence exists in these 4 dimensions. If you think there is a mathematical basis for more than 4 dimensions, then you are making an argument for greater complexity than that which has already evolved sentience. If we are on the brink of creating a new universe called "Matrix", then what surely is a more complex intelligence capable of?
It's interesting how easily it is for people to insult each other over the internet, but not in person. Arguing in person is much better. The internet sucks.
>"the concept of the singularity just pushes the ultimate question back one step farther (I.e. Where did the singularity come from?)"
Probably from the collapse of a previous universe.
Where did the previous universe come from? Science has no way of answering that yet, we don't understand the current universe well enough. Right now, we are stuck at 10x-44 seconds, and have to create a unified field theory to understand how things worked before that point.
I'm so sorry atheists, but I think you're idiots! And you bore me to death! Good grief! Why in the world are you wasting time trying to find explanations for everything? Why can't you just believe in something? Even if it's not God, why don't you just TRY to believe in something without evidence? Are you scared you'll be a mockery to your friends? I love God because he teaches me to love! Even if I die and find out there's no God, at least I will have lived a life of loving and helping others.
@KamekoBruns I'm saying I enjoy living my life in it's fullest capacity. I live a life of belief! George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King Jr., Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein, among many others all believed in God. They didn't live their life in ignorance.
@Soubirous1000 Every single one of those men you just mentioned openly and clearly did not believe in a personal god with the exception of MLK. As for your choosing to live in ignorance your statement says it all. "Why in the world are you wasting time trying to find explanations for everything?" As I said, that is all I need to know about the religious mind.
@Soubirous1000 I'm going to stop here and give you some time to go and educate yourself but I will say that the difference is vast between the belief in a personal god and an impersonal one. That said, I have no respect for anyone who cannot follow their own laws. If god cannot keep his commandments why should I even bother listening to him? Seems you god is as flawed as we mortals are.
@KamekoBruns I'm plenty educated brother. I don't care what difference there is that someone believes in a personal and impersonal God. The leaders I mentioned all believed in God, yet they did not live ignorant lives. That's the only point I'm making. What is your point?
@Soubirous1000 The point is that the discussion had nothing to do with those people. You made this stupid comment "Why in the world are you wasting time trying to find explanations for everything?" to which I replied that you prefer to live in ignorance. That's when you came up with the likes of Franklin, Edison and Einstein. What was your point? Hoping that you could ride on their coattails? They chose not to live ignorant lives. But that hasn't stopped you as per your own words.
@KamekoBruns Alright, alright, fine. I'll rephrase it. I love science and discovering explanations for natural phenomenon and everything. I don't prefer at all to live in ignorance. But I believe that there is something greater than this universe. Of course, that's God. What I meant when I said, "Why are you wasting time trying to find explanations for everything" was that not everything can be explained.
@Soubirous1000 "What I meant when I said, "Why are you wasting time trying to find explanations for everything" was that not everything can be explained."
Correction. "...not everything can be explained yet."
And do be sure to see my response about how god can't even follow his own rules.
@KamekoBruns Science has been able to answer the "how" questions. But can you tell me why this universe exists? Why do you and I exist? I know why, but I don't think that answer will be sufficient for you, because people like you demand proof. And to be honest, I understand why you want proof. But there's a point where you need to just believe. As I said earlier, I'm praying for you. (I'm not saying that to mock you. I truly am praying that you do understand some day.)
@Soubirous1000 Can you tell me why there has to be a reason? Why does the universe need a reason to exist? It's can't just exist? I mean, that's the argument theists throw at us all the time. Why does there have to be a reason? As for your silly belief that prayer does anything, I could cite you the numerous studies which clearly shows that prayer affords no real ability to influence anything but you would instead prefer to live in ignorance and believe that prayer actually helps.
@KamekoBruns Prayer has helped me and my family, as well as so many of my friends brother. I can't emphasize that enough. One day, if someone abducts your family and holds a gun at your head, I guarantee you that you'll stop and pray, "God, I don't know if you're real, but if you are, please help me and my family."
@Soubirous1000 You only think it has helped. It's known as the "Placebo Effect".
And I will never pray to an entity that doesn't exist.
But good on you for hoping that someday my family will be abducted and that I will be in mortal danger just so you can prove me wrong.
What a sick and twisted degenerate you are. I'm done with you. You're vile, you're ignorant of what is in the bible and you're intellectual feeble. I have no more need of wasting my time with you.
@KamekoBruns Listen to me! I'm NOT AT ALL hoping that your family will get abducted! I'm sorry if you saw that as hostile, but I didn't mean it in a hurtful way at all I promise! I was only trying to give you an image of what your weakest and most vulnerable moment would be.
@KamekoBruns By the way, what do you mean when you said God cannot keep his commandments? God does not break his own commandments. Where are you getting your information brother? Why did you even bring up the topic of a personal and impersonal God? Here's a news flash man. Anyone who believes in God should have a personal relationship with him. My family and friends all have a personal relationship with God. God isn't either personal or impersonal. He's both. I'm praying for you.
@Soubirous1000 "God does not break his own commandments." Really? Have you even read the bible?
"Thou shalt not bear false witness {lie}" "If you eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil you will most suredly die." They ate. They didn't die. He lied.
"Thou shalt not commit adultery" Last I checked Mary was married to Joseph, not god.
"Thou shalt not kill." Uh, great flood anyone?
so again, why do you praise an entity that cannot even abide by their own laws?
@KamekoBruns "Thou shalt not bear false witness" God did not lie. When he said that, he meant that they will no longer have eternal life. After they ate the fruit, they were cut off from eternal life, therefore God did not lie. "Thou shalt not commit adultery." God did not have sex with Mary. Just like he created the universe, he simple made Jesus appear in Mary's womb. He's God, he can do that. We can't.
@Soubirous1000 You are either full of shit or you simply have just not read the bible.
Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
They never HAD eternal life asshole so yes, god did lie. 1/2
@Soubirous1000 As for the adultery issue, Matthew 5:28 "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
Supposedly this was said by Jesus who is god. God committed adultery by his own words.
Face it fool, you're done. You're just blindly following along with the dogma which has been forced upon you since your birth.
@KamekoBruns Why all the names man? What have I said to make you so angry? Did you even read the Bible? Genesis 3:22 was after Adam and Eve had eaten the fruit, so God banished them from the Garden of Eden (eternal salvation). Hence, God DID NOT lie. :) And Jesus said that whoever looks at a woman lustfully has committed adultery with her in his heart. God NEVER looked at a woman lustfully man! I win!
@KamekoBruns "Thou shalt not kill." God flooded the Earth because he knew it would create a greater Good. He saw that the world was full of wicked people, so he wanted to form a better world for the future. He also made a vow that he would never flood the Earth again.
@Soubirous1000 So? He still killed the entire worlds population, didn't he? He still violated his own rule here. And there was Sodom and Gamorrah and a whole laundry list of times that god either fully endorsed or otherwise authorized murder on a major scale.
@KamekoBruns The United States nuked Japan during World War II and killed hundreds of thousands of people. It was something that had to be done to prevent even more killing and years of war. It's the same reason God allows horrible things to happen in the world: to bring a greater good out of it. I guess since you called me a chump, I've lost the argument. Dang it!
@Soubirous1000 Wow. How easily can I deflate this argument? 1st, God is now taking his cues from the US? 2nd, Is the US god? 3rd, Last I checked the US has not issued an edict for all of humanity to observe which states the requirement that one shall not kill.
Listen chump, it's over. Rationalize the bullshit your religion preaches all you want but those of us capable of rational thought have looked behind the curtain and realize it's all bullshit.
@KamekoBruns I was only giving a comparison brother. God knew that the flood was a horrible thing that was necessary, just as the United States saw that the nukes were necessary in solving our issue with Japan. You're making things way more complicated than they really are. Lighten up man! If I'm just pissing you off, I'll go away. Please don't think that I wish harm on you or your family though. That's all I ask.
@KamekoBruns Here's what my religion preaches in a nutshell: "Love your neighbor as yourself, and pray for those who persecute you." I don't think that's bullshit at all. Come on, you have to admit that that's a great way to live your life. I'm sorry if I offended you in any way man. Happy New Year!
@pamew Just like I said to TheCarmudgen, I certainly do require another person to teach me how to be a good person. Do Children need their parents to teach them how to be healthy, wholesome, and good people? Do students need teachers to become wise? So yes, I require someone to teach me to love, because love is a discipline and an extremely difficult one at that.
@Soubirous1000 i can't speak for every atheist. I can only speak for myself. The reason I don't believe in "something" for which there is no evidence is because I've seen first hand what that leads to: "My god can beat up your god"
But think of what you're saying: without God, you'd be a hate-filled killing machine??? Is that something you -really- want to admit to? I live a life of loving and helping others because "Good work is its own reward" not because "I'll get hookers in heaven"
@MaceMeetFace I believe in God. I don't tell people, "My God can beat up your God." That's just moronic. And I'm not saying that without God, I'd be a hate-filled killing machine. I'm saying WITH God, I can live the best life. I love that you live a life of loving and helping others man. Keep doing it. And I agree with you! Good work is it's own reward. The reason why I do good works is because I know it will make God smile and I know it will make the people whom I help smile. That's all!
@Soubirous1000 "I love God because he teaches me to love!" vs "I'm so sorry atheists, but I think you're idiots! And you bore me to death! Good grief!"
@ScottJoC Just because I said I think atheists are idiots does not contradict my loving people! Even if someone is a moron, I'll still love them. And look man, I'm not perfect. I say insulting things about people quite often. You probably do too! BUT, I don't curse any group of people and I don't hate people. Usually Christians get slammed for judging people, but you're the one judging me because of a simple comment I made.
@Soubirous1000 Just in case my other comment sailed over your head, You can't claim God teaches you to love while at the same time act hateful by insulting people or mocking them. Its contradictory, if God is teaching you to love then he's doing a pretty poor job so far.
@Soubirous1000 I find it fascinating that you think we're atheists because we're afraid we'll be a mockery to our friends. Considering I live in a society that is almost completely Christian I stand more of a chance of being mocked because I'm an atheist. Also, why do you need someone else to tell you how to love? That's rather pathetic.
@TheCurmudgen I never said you're afraid to be a mockery to you're friends. I ASKED you. And answering your other question, I do need someone else to teach me how to love. Love, like any art, is a discipline! Love is difficult and challenging! Just like I'll need someone else to teach me how to play a guitar, I need someone to teach me to love. I don't think that's pathetic at all.
@Soubirous1000 By asking you are implying the reason. It's the same as if I asked you if you were brain damaged for believing in fairy tales. Also, love is not an art, it's not an instrument, it is an emotion, a natural feeling. Just like anger, sadness or fear, I don't need anyone to teach me about these emotions. You have some strange ideas inside your head.
@TheCurmudgen I was certainly NOT implying the reason! I was totally and completely asking out of curiosity, because I don't know what goes on in the minds of atheists. I promise it was out of complete curiosity. And if you don't think love is a discipline and an art, than you haven't even lived man. If you think love is just an emotion, (sigh) I feel sorry for you. That is SO untrue! Why don't you read, "The Four Loves" by C.S. Lewis? I think that may clear up your misconceptions of true love.
@TheCurmudgen You said that you don't need anyone to teach you about those emotions. Well neither do I need anyone to teach me ABOUT those emotions! However, I certainly do need others to teach me how to control and direct those emotions into something constructive and positive. God teaches me to use love to overshadow all other emotions, directing me in my life choices.
@Soubirous1000 Love is not a discipline, it is not an art. It can inspire these things, sure, but it is nothing more than an emotion, no matter how badly you want it to be more. And as a 43 year old who's lived a very full life I know what true love is and I don't need a god to tell me anything about love just as I don't need a book to tell me what it is. A shame you think you're limited to the influences of others over a natural feeling.
@TheCurmudgen I'm glad you've lived a full life. And I'm sure you know more than I do about life. But I still believe firmly that love is more than an emotion. I'm very influenced by others, because as human beings, we need each other. We need friends and family to help us become better people! I simply believe that God is the light, the head, or the guiding star to everyone. And so I look to him whenever I'm troubled, or not troubled at all. But hey, we'll respect each other's differences.
Teacher: can u see God? Students:no Teacher: can u touch God? Students:no Teacher:then there isn't a God Student raises hand and says: Sir can u see your brain Teacher: no Student:can u touch your brain? Teacher: no Student:can u see at your brain now ? Teacher: no Student: oh ok so u don't have a brain ?
@EDGEofDARKNESS100 ya but theres proof u have a brain dumb fuck, i don't believe in god but that doesn't mean im an atheist, it could also mean im agnostic.
@EDGEofDARKNESS100 This is the dumbest fucking argument ever. When you're in your bed room and the bathroom is on the other side of the wall does that mean the bathroom doesn't exist? Does this mean that to some one in New York China doesn't exist? Can't see it so it must not exist? That's not the argument. That difference is between the natural and the supernatural.
@EDGEofDARKNESS100 Im not going to call you an idiot or anything I would just like to point out a flaw in your argument.
In your argument you say that the teacher would answer no but this is wrong as the teacher would know that they CAN indeed go get a scan to see his brain and if he was so inclined could also cut his own head open and touch his own brain although I don't think they would want to.
The brain is a tangible object that can be observed and Interacted with.
@EDGEofDARKNESS100 A Quote from HappyCabbie ''You can go to a hospital and get a cat scan'' aka an x-ray that shows pictures of your brain. You cannot be that motherfucking stupid? That was just lazy and pathetic, show proper proof of God apart from the Bible which only has been re-written by corrupt, insane men over thousands generations.
You got it too good chief. If only you could see the universe from an NDE or OBE perspective. You would reconsider the Golden City and the Book Of Life.
"For many will grow cold in the faith in these times. "
You have fulfilled this prophecy.
The Expanse of the Universe and all that is within is absolutely incredible. On the Earth we only see a glimpse of the hyper dimensions of the universe.
If you belief , then you will see.
The door to faith cannot be opened if you do not knock.
You need matter to create matter how can a baby be formed? we need to groups of matter to FUCK eachother.How was god created? "he was just there" most religious men&women would say but that goes to my statement You need matter to create matter.
Love your work happycabbie, i'm an atheist too. just a quick explanation to some of the comments below. "For those who don't believe in God, no explanation is sufficient", it is completely wrong. Present real evidence of God, and we also believe. And to you that mentions all the good work done by Christians, know this, Only ONE person of all the hundreds who have won the nobel peace prize, is Christian. Think about that one...
Everyone, atheist, agnostic, Christain, Muslim, etc, will center their life around something! That center is their God. Here's why I believe that my interpretation is correct. The God I serve teaches me to serve others more than myself. He teaches me to love no matter how difficult it is. He teaches me to give! He teaches me to make this world a better place! Don't you think that if everyone's own mentality was the selfless service of everyone around them, that the world would be a better place?
@Rhoky I can't prove that my interpretation of the Bible is the right one. I know people and I've seen people whose lives have been changed for the better because they believe. Listen brother, when logic and statistics become the center of our life, we'll become like robots. We'll lose our humanity! Belief has made more of a difference in this world than anything. It makes us human. And even if you're an athiest, you'll have a God. That God may be a person, an idea, money, materials, etc.
I've always felt that religion is not so much about putting faith in a god(s), but rather in putting faith in the prophets of god(s). A prophet comes down from a mountain and says he spoke with his god. He's basing his belief on personal observation. The rest of us are basing our beliefs on the faith that this man is not a liar. So really, religion is all about character assessment.
How I see it is we are all human and as the human race we will press forward and progress to be better. I'm an atheist and I think that religion is great but I have faith in what I said about humans. I think religion is apart of culture and all the cultures are many colors and patterns on the tapestry that is the legacy of humans (yes I did quote assassins creed revelations)
there is no god - amos ch 5 vs 8 shows the bible is a copy of nile valley laws - every prayer formation(s) cloned to the T. all i can say is study your origin, study the jungle
@sabin97 If you could be rational for a moment? Religion was a very important glue that kept people as one those days (seriously). Mecca&Medina was surrounded by desert, thieves behind every cliff along the silk road. So they made up one. The Holy Stone of Caba represent the 'nature religions' in the deserts, Jerusalem binds Christianity and Juadism to it and the Qur'an is their own sacred relic. The Qur'an is full of copy/paste lines with an additional touch to it from both Ju,Chr & even Hindu!
@sabin97 How Mohammed could PROVE his holyness? Oh yes! He could explain in detail what Jerusalem looked like without ever being there. He flew over the city on a UNICORN, that's how! Fantastic. Ooor maybe he paid someone to give a detailed description of the city? Or the story is just bullshit. Just a thought. But yes, things were different those days and Mecca/Medina NEEDED a religion to secure trade lines and stabilize a region with many religions. Religion was the glue those days, not today
The bible is wrong, the Qur'an is right, no! the qur'an is wrong and the bible is right! Fck!?! The TORA is the right book you fckers!?? And this goes on and on and on and on.... Blind people with blind beliefs. So as a starter; The Qur'an is based on the bible (heavily) and the old testament (bible) is mainly based on/is the Torah.
Stories in the bible are ridiciolusly similar to older pagan gods, and somehow all three books have stories about unicorns in it. That SHOULD close the discussion.
@sabin97 it can be proven the difference between muslim and christians is that christian dont believe muslim but muslim believes in christianity in its true sprit
Well i can call u half muslim as u reached the half of muslim faith "there is no God "but Allah And Mohammed p b u h is his messenger is the only part u are missing
Who has ever tried to "prove" God?! Nobody has ever claimed to, nobody has ever tried to, & nobody can. All you can do is look at His signs. I have "evidence" of God - His signs in Koran That's the only "proof" humans have. That's the only "proof" that exists. You're not believing in something because it hasn't been proved or is not visible. Do you believe in love? What color is it? Do you have emotions? What sizes are they?
As you admire my intentions, I admire the Christians' intentions with their saying that the Bible is "proof" of God, & to a lesser extent (because they don't push their faith as much) The Jews when they say what they do.
However, there are many contradictions in their Scripture...historical, scientific, mathematical, & even moral contradictions.
There are NONE in Al-Qur'an...so being a God-fearing person, I accepted Islam based on no fallacies within.
i must admit that i've never read the koran(sorry about the spelling, i've seen several different ones and this is the easiest one for me) but i suspect there are many contradictions, historical, scientific, mathematical and moral in there, just like any other religious text.....
i've read parts of the bible and i agree with you, it's full of contradictions, and grotesque, blasphemous representations of god....
I challenge you to find ONE contradiction in The Koran.
The Koran challenges you on this as well, several times.
"Do they not ponder about the Koran with care? Had it been from any other than God, they would surely have found many contradictions within." 4:82, among a few.
Read it - it's damn good.
But no, there are no contradictions whatsoever in Al-Qur'an.
I tried debunking Islam for months ; you can't.
It's real, & it's from God, there are no contradictions & there's proof.
When you make assumptions, you look like an asshole.
You won't finish The Bible, & you won't start on Al-Qur'an ; that's how people like you are...no big deal, though.
You will not find ANY scientific, historical, mathematical, or moral contradiction in The Koran...you can assume all you want, that doesn't mean you're right, & it makes you look like an arrogant ignoramus, to top it off.
It's funny how you have already made up your mind - your ignorance is shining through brightly.
You can prove anything with the "copy & paste" method - I can open up "Mein Kampf" right now & read you a few lines, flip a few pages & read a few more lines, & then come up with some nonsense that peace & humanity are preached.
47:4, & 2:191 are talking of an invading army. The prisoners the Muslims took were then admonished about Islam...if they became Muslim, they'd be free. 4:74-77 is talking of preaching Islam.
2:256 is saying there is no compulsion in the acceptance of Islam
I truly, greatly appreciate the way you asked that...and yes, I totally noticed how you're attacking the argument, & not resorting to ad-hominem attacks.
It's easy to read anything out of context when you aren't learned in what the text is teaching, or preaching...I'll answer anything else you may have.
The first verses cited are talking of propagating & spreading Islam, & offering Islam to POWs in exchange for freedom.
The second cited verse says that acceptance is up to them.
"You can prove anything with the "copy & paste" method" actually you can't, religious people try to do that with their holy books all the time, taking texts out of context(and avoiding texts they don't like)
if i claim to have read things i haven't read then i am lying and i only weaken my position.
"offering Islam to POWs in exchange for freedom." that sounds to me a lot like the catholics selling indulgence. "if you convert i'll set you free" sounds like a bribe
Yeah - you can prove anything with the "copy & paste" method. I'll open Mein Kampf, read a few lines, flip a few pages, read a few more, & then pass it off like it's preaching peace & justice.
These POWs were from an invading army of polytheists...so if they embraced Islam (which had to be on their own, as we can only offer it), they would inevitably abandon their allegiance to polytheism, thus siding with the Muslims...so yes, if they converted, they would be free...as Muslims.
you can take any texts out of context but it will be called by someone who has read it, i've had to do that to religious people when they try to cherry-pick from their precious bible....
just so you know polytheism isnt a single faction. i assure you the greeks were not allied with the aztecs, and they were both polytheists that doesnt make them hate muslims.
offering a pow freedom in exchange for anything will make it much more likely that they will accept your terms.
Sure, polytheists don't hate Muslims, per se, but this invading army that was killing them did...!
I don't see what you're trying to point out at all. You seem to be grasping at straws for something that I'm not too certain about...as I said, I don't see what you're trying to prove/say.
If a freed prisoner is lying about their acceptance to Islam, that's beyond our control. God knows, & the punishment with Him is greater than anything anyone could do.
"accept islam and we'll set you free, otherwise you'll remain pows...with all that being a pow implies"
also i didn't claim that i knew it had many, i claimed i suspect it has many, like all religious texts i've read do....and i still suspect the koran does....
The only people who wouldn't accept the truth, after clear proofs have been brought forth to them, would be an ignoramus, a true disbeliever, or a schemer.
4:89 addresses this & these people, & what to do in these circumstances.
Again - if someone wishes to not accept Islam, that is up to them...we can't do anything more, nor anything to them. There is no compulsion allowed in Islam.
Still - it's not a contradiction...not sure what you're trying to prove.
The POWs who were offered Islam in exchange for their imprisonment were an invading army of polytheists. These people were enemies to the Muslims, & sought to kill them off.
So, if one were to accept Islam, they would then in turn not be warring with the Muslims.
It wasn't : "Hey prisoner - here's Islam, you can have it & be free".
Though, some POWs lied & turned their backs...and there are verses addressing that as well.
the words may not have been literally "take islam and be free" but the effect was the same. they knew that by converting to islam they would be freed.
you keep bringing up polytheism....of what polytheistic religion were these invading armies?
No - you're putting it into context that it's not in.
It's not : "accept Islam to be free, or else you're a prisoner".
The whole motive behind offering Islam to these prisoners was to have them cease fighting against the Muslims upon their acceptance.
If these polytheists were warring against the Muslims, & were taken as prisoners they were taught about Islam. Seeing that they were polytheists, if they accepted Islam, they wouldn't be fighting the Muslims anymore.
What does it matter what sect of polytheism these people belonged to?
I only know the names of some of their gods ; I don't know what they called themselves.
Some of these warring polytheists were also just regular Arabian tribes, sought to destroy Islam & the Muslims.
So, needless to say - it doesn't matter what sect of polytheism they identified with ; the situation at hand is that they were rejecting monotheism, & attacking & killing, imposing their religion on others.
the norse, aztecs, incas, greeks, and many other polytheists never met each other and their gods were very different...
i think you have the wrong idea of what polytheism is.it's not ONE religion and they are not even linked
a polytheist religion is a religion with many gods, nothing more and nothing less. studying world religions would be very enlightening, i encourage you to read about them when you get a chance....
If you want to know more about what these polytheists practiced & did, read something on pre-Islamic Arabia.
I'm not sure what you're trying to suggest , or imply...but you still haven't been able to find or cite me even ONE example of an inconsistency or contradiction or error, on ANY front, be it in science, math, history, or even morality, in Al-Qur'an.
You seem to be grasping at straws, & trying to "prove" something in which you're not even sure of yourself.
perhaps i misunderstood your explanation about pows so please clarify these two points
if they converted to islam, were they freed?
did they know they would(as others had been) freed?
"science, math, history,"...before islam the arabs made such brilliant, important contributions to the world....it was the intellectual center of culture, then islam came and boom! like an off-switch the contributions stopped.
coincidence?
anyway the pows thing....yes or no?(both questions please)
if i were to do this with lemons, would i get jelly or oregano?
SiMMkillsAll 2 days ago
There is no evidence that God is real, yet there is no evidence that he is not real.
AkioVuadan 2 days ago
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@HappyCabbie I think it's a question that can't be answered, because Atheism is a belief in someone's mind that god(s) don't exist. Therefore either you have this belief in your mind or you don't, it cannot be proven.
Also I have seen many answers to this question but the theists are choosing to ignore them.
MrSitemaster2 3 days ago
I am an atheist I am proof atheism is fact. You can not disprove I am real.
bornagainanathiest 1 week ago
WHY CANT U JUST GET IT THROUGH UR THICK FUCKING HEADS THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS DIFFERENT FROM U DOESNT MEAN THAT THEY HAVE THE FUCKING DEVIL ON THEM! i cant belive in god because i have seen what people do and i am horrified that our "almighty God" could let this happen. i mean seriously theres war, injustices, slavery, bullies, haters, rapists, animal abusers, murderers, kidnapers,...etc
eygmk728 2 weeks ago
im 13 and im an athiest. i want to belive in god but there has been enough shit in my life to take me away from that belief. i am fed up with all the different beliefs and there pathedic ways of talking about what to do and if ur like this than this will happen r the devils in u. i mean like in this one religion they believe that if ur gay then the devils in u. you kno what i have to say to that? FUCK U MY BEST FRIENDS BROTHER IS GAY AND 4 OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE BI WHAT IS FUCKING WRONG WITH U?
eygmk728 2 weeks ago
Everyone is just confused because the terms "agnostic-atheist" and “gnostic atheist" are appearing in blogs and YT channels these days. Atheist PHILOSOPHERS believe that atheism does indeed require arguments against god. Just because YT teenagers don’t believe it, doesn’t mean it’s not true. Here it’s not that hard:
1) If god exists he must have free will and exist outside of time
2) No being can have free will and exist outside of time
3) Therefore, god cannot exist
MrMrmell222 2 weeks ago
@MrMrmell222 While that may be the case, it's still a non-sequitur.
gamegloss 1 day ago
@TheAndrey631 Your ignorance pisses me off. Let's flip the card. Christians... you don't believe there is a God you just lack belief for any other religion. It's all the same. Everyone is born an atheist. To believe otherwise you don't need evidence but you should want it, but you do NEED hard evidence to attempt to prove this to anyone else. Not bible scriptures, strange markings, or "inexplicable events".
Z6D4C4 2 weeks ago
I love the way Jim Jeffries, the comedian, puts it, regarding the Ten Commandments. He says they are nonsense and should be replaced by only one. When we're born, we're given a piece of paper, which we read every day, with only one sentence: "Try not to be a c*nt today."
brightsorcerer 3 weeks ago
@TheBjs345 sorry there is no "just saying" if you make an assertion it is unreasonable to expect no debate, especially when the statement you made about the atheist position is a straw man. we do not believe there is no god, but rather just reject the claim that there is. see the difference? in other words one is making a claim and the other is rejecting a claim. a common mistake amongst theists.
freebird285 3 weeks ago
You are believe in god, and your god is "NOTHING" and his son is "BIG BANG". But you place yourself in even less lack of evidence. So be smart and go back to real God: even if you will not find answers on all questions, but you will have a more evidence! Remmember - you are still believer, only now you believe in Satan's religion!
TheAndrey631 3 weeks ago
U believe there is no god? So it's a belief right? Dont want a debate just sayin.
TheBjs345 3 weeks ago
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MrMrmell222 2 weeks ago
Shockofgod, and his ilk, and so stupid they don't realize his question is really an answer.
FlyingPinkUnicorn 1 month ago
Great video,glad to know I'm not alone in my beliefs or lack of,thanks for this Posting,well done
grenda5 1 month ago
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Emlis16 1 month ago
lol that guy... i got into an accidental debate with him. Long story short, it's appalling at how blatantly stupid people can be. He knows his beliefs are a crock of shit and yet he still holds onto them. I can easily say the best trolls i have ever encountered are Christian.
SheepDog707 1 month ago
1/3 the stuff in bibles are complete lies. I mean it was created how long ago? and how can we guarantee that some people didnt just make stuff up because they wanted to or to take control over people? and lets be honest its not like humans were exact eintsteins back then anyway, they just didnt want to be afraid of dying i geuss which makes me agnostic.
SuperSweetalicous 1 month ago
Only death can answer that question and you can't simply die and then come back and tell your friends "Hey! I was there and I saw him on a throne in a white tux... Blah blah blah" or "Hey! I was there and everything turned pitch black and stayed that way and thought 'Hey, this isn't cool' and came back to tell you guys!" I have no gripe with atheists. You do you, I do me, I say. Good luck.
HardonZ 1 month ago
HappyCabbie- I really like you- I really like the way put that- so logical and succinct that even a christian can understand it
dancingnancy09 1 month ago
Lol I always start out strong and assertive in these religious debates, but then I always begin to lose that vehemence out of result of feeling bad for how utterly illiterate, stupid and illogical the people who I’m talking to are.
MarvelsofaLifetime 1 month ago
only comment responses on the comment field? christians are hating
gunnari14 1 month ago
@gunnari14 I'm a christian and I do not hate, I just don't look at the world the same way as happy cabbie.
jimster46 1 month ago
@jimster46 so you start writing angry messages. "lolz u r wrong, if jezus wasnt the s0n of god, how he walked on a water HURR DURR"
gunnari14 1 month ago
You said it no evidence for Atheists.
But do you have any evidence for a man made book to be true?
Mee551able 1 month ago
What evidence do you have that not collecting stamps is fun hobby?
JazzyJonas 1 month ago
@JazzyJonas You can SEE other people do it and decide if it's fun or not.
Metallimeister 1 month ago
@Metallimeister What evidence do you have that not collecting stamps is fun hobby? You’re answer: “You can SEE other people do it and decide if it’s fun or not.” …Really? So you just observe other people NOT collecting stamps, and then decide if it’s fun or not – pardon my interjection, but I didn’t know that it was inductively possible even to do that...
MarvelsofaLifetime 1 month ago
How do you prove a disbelief in something? ...Wtf?? The question is like asking someone to prove that the disbelief non-astrology is true. How does this question make any sense whatsoever? Someone help.
MarvelsofaLifetime 1 month ago
@MarvelsofaLifetime If you can't prove something, then it does not exist
Metallimeister 1 month ago
@Metallimeister Lol, did you think before you typed that…? So if I was living 200 years ago and couldn’t prove that other galaxies existed, that means— haha!, ok nice logic.
MarvelsofaLifetime 1 month ago
@MarvelsofaLifetime Well, you could not say you know that other galaxies existed unless you looked through a telescope and saw them.
So yes, if you could not prove it then you can't say that they exist.
Metallimeister 1 month ago
@Metallimeister You said verbatim, “If you can’t prove something, then it does not exist.” If we were living 200 years ago no one would be able to prove that galaxies exist, THEREFOR according to your logic, that means that they don’t exist. Your logic doesn’t span, and is completely intransitive. I love how you can’t even recognize a fallacy undermining your logic that salient and conspicuous.
MarvelsofaLifetime 1 month ago
@MarvelsofaLifetime If they could not prove it, then they would have to think that they don't exist. I stand by my statement.
Metallimeister 1 month ago
@Metallimeister Yes I completely agree, and you’re absolutely correct. If they couldn’t prove it, then they shouldn’t believe it – but that’s not what you said! This is what you said (verbatim): “If you can’t prove something, then it does not exist.” So not only are you saying that if people couldn’t prove that galaxies existed they should repudiate them (which they should,) but you’re also saying that the galaxies themselves don’t exist. If you typed that statement of urs wrong tho let me kno
MarvelsofaLifetime 1 month ago
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@MarvelsofaLifetime I meant; no one can claim something exists unless they prove it.
Let me rephrase that then.
“If you can’t prove something, then you can't say that it certainly exists.”
Metallimeister 1 month ago
@Metallimeister That would be a very depressing world to live in. There would be no point in conducting research or exploring new frontiers. Did sub-atomic particles not exist until very recently? If not, why did we see evidence suggesting their existence before we had definitive proof?
cremice78 1 month ago
@cremice78 Depression is in the depressive mind. There is nothing depressing about saying you don't know something.
If there was evidence suggesting sub-atomic particles then it would have been reasonable to investigate further. The Key word is evidence.
Metallimeister 1 month ago
@Metallimeister You said if you can't "prove" something, not "if there is no evidence for something". The two are very different.
cremice78 1 month ago
@cremice78 Well if you don't have evidence then you can't prove anything. So it is the same thing
Metallimeister 1 month ago
I can't provide evidence of "God", but, I would say that there is a mathematical certainty that superior intelligence exists in these 4 dimensions. If you think there is a mathematical basis for more than 4 dimensions, then you are making an argument for greater complexity than that which has already evolved sentience. If we are on the brink of creating a new universe called "Matrix", then what surely is a more complex intelligence capable of?
AltairZielite 1 month ago
Go look at the video I made it is what the Lord has done in my life
AndrewKekich 1 month ago
@AndrewKekich The "lord" has done NONE of those things. Mainly because he doesnt exist.
itchygonads 1 month ago
It's interesting how easily it is for people to insult each other over the internet, but not in person. Arguing in person is much better. The internet sucks.
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
Nobody reads your long-winded youtube comment arguments.. Just sayin.
ZiggyOsiris 1 month ago
I wanna rub your beard =3
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toyotaprius79 1 month ago
I AM AN ATHEIST! Can't they just accept that God made me this way? They seem to accept that God did everything else. Why not this?
RichardRoy2 1 month ago
@KamekoBruns the concept of the singularity just pushes the ultimate question back one step farther (I.e. Where did the singularity come from?)
Respectable scientists in the videos I've watched all seem to answer the same way: we don't know, and probably will never know.
Other, book-selling scientists just seem to avoid the question ;)
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@danielhmanning
>"the concept of the singularity just pushes the ultimate question back one step farther (I.e. Where did the singularity come from?)"
Probably from the collapse of a previous universe.
Where did the previous universe come from? Science has no way of answering that yet, we don't understand the current universe well enough. Right now, we are stuck at 10x-44 seconds, and have to create a unified field theory to understand how things worked before that point.
LordCustos3 1 month ago
god doesnt exist. end of story
TacticalGamesReviews 2 months ago
I'm so sorry atheists, but I think you're idiots! And you bore me to death! Good grief! Why in the world are you wasting time trying to find explanations for everything? Why can't you just believe in something? Even if it's not God, why don't you just TRY to believe in something without evidence? Are you scared you'll be a mockery to your friends? I love God because he teaches me to love! Even if I die and find out there's no God, at least I will have lived a life of loving and helping others.
Soubirous1000 2 months ago
@Soubirous1000 So what you're saying is that you enjoy living in ignorance?
A more perfect indictment of the mind needed for one to be religious does not exist.
KamekoBruns 2 months ago
@KamekoBruns I'm saying I enjoy living my life in it's fullest capacity. I live a life of belief! George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King Jr., Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein, among many others all believed in God. They didn't live their life in ignorance.
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
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@Soubirous1000 Every single one of those men you just mentioned openly and clearly did not believe in a personal god with the exception of MLK. As for your choosing to live in ignorance your statement says it all. "Why in the world are you wasting time trying to find explanations for everything?" As I said, that is all I need to know about the religious mind.
KamekoBruns 1 month ago
@KamekoBruns ALL of the men I mentioned believed in God! What's your point?
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@Soubirous1000 I'm going to stop here and give you some time to go and educate yourself but I will say that the difference is vast between the belief in a personal god and an impersonal one. That said, I have no respect for anyone who cannot follow their own laws. If god cannot keep his commandments why should I even bother listening to him? Seems you god is as flawed as we mortals are.
KamekoBruns 1 month ago
@KamekoBruns I'm plenty educated brother. I don't care what difference there is that someone believes in a personal and impersonal God. The leaders I mentioned all believed in God, yet they did not live ignorant lives. That's the only point I'm making. What is your point?
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@Soubirous1000 The point is that the discussion had nothing to do with those people. You made this stupid comment "Why in the world are you wasting time trying to find explanations for everything?" to which I replied that you prefer to live in ignorance. That's when you came up with the likes of Franklin, Edison and Einstein. What was your point? Hoping that you could ride on their coattails? They chose not to live ignorant lives. But that hasn't stopped you as per your own words.
KamekoBruns 1 month ago
@KamekoBruns Alright, alright, fine. I'll rephrase it. I love science and discovering explanations for natural phenomenon and everything. I don't prefer at all to live in ignorance. But I believe that there is something greater than this universe. Of course, that's God. What I meant when I said, "Why are you wasting time trying to find explanations for everything" was that not everything can be explained.
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@Soubirous1000 "What I meant when I said, "Why are you wasting time trying to find explanations for everything" was that not everything can be explained."
Correction. "...not everything can be explained yet."
And do be sure to see my response about how god can't even follow his own rules.
KamekoBruns 1 month ago
@KamekoBruns Science has been able to answer the "how" questions. But can you tell me why this universe exists? Why do you and I exist? I know why, but I don't think that answer will be sufficient for you, because people like you demand proof. And to be honest, I understand why you want proof. But there's a point where you need to just believe. As I said earlier, I'm praying for you. (I'm not saying that to mock you. I truly am praying that you do understand some day.)
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@Soubirous1000 Can you tell me why there has to be a reason? Why does the universe need a reason to exist? It's can't just exist? I mean, that's the argument theists throw at us all the time. Why does there have to be a reason? As for your silly belief that prayer does anything, I could cite you the numerous studies which clearly shows that prayer affords no real ability to influence anything but you would instead prefer to live in ignorance and believe that prayer actually helps.
KamekoBruns 1 month ago
@KamekoBruns Prayer has helped me and my family, as well as so many of my friends brother. I can't emphasize that enough. One day, if someone abducts your family and holds a gun at your head, I guarantee you that you'll stop and pray, "God, I don't know if you're real, but if you are, please help me and my family."
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@Soubirous1000 You only think it has helped. It's known as the "Placebo Effect".
And I will never pray to an entity that doesn't exist.
But good on you for hoping that someday my family will be abducted and that I will be in mortal danger just so you can prove me wrong.
What a sick and twisted degenerate you are. I'm done with you. You're vile, you're ignorant of what is in the bible and you're intellectual feeble. I have no more need of wasting my time with you.
KamekoBruns 1 month ago
@KamekoBruns Listen to me! I'm NOT AT ALL hoping that your family will get abducted! I'm sorry if you saw that as hostile, but I didn't mean it in a hurtful way at all I promise! I was only trying to give you an image of what your weakest and most vulnerable moment would be.
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@KamekoBruns By the way, what do you mean when you said God cannot keep his commandments? God does not break his own commandments. Where are you getting your information brother? Why did you even bring up the topic of a personal and impersonal God? Here's a news flash man. Anyone who believes in God should have a personal relationship with him. My family and friends all have a personal relationship with God. God isn't either personal or impersonal. He's both. I'm praying for you.
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@Soubirous1000 "God does not break his own commandments." Really? Have you even read the bible?
"Thou shalt not bear false witness {lie}" "If you eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil you will most suredly die." They ate. They didn't die. He lied.
"Thou shalt not commit adultery" Last I checked Mary was married to Joseph, not god.
"Thou shalt not kill." Uh, great flood anyone?
so again, why do you praise an entity that cannot even abide by their own laws?
KamekoBruns 1 month ago
@KamekoBruns "Thou shalt not bear false witness" God did not lie. When he said that, he meant that they will no longer have eternal life. After they ate the fruit, they were cut off from eternal life, therefore God did not lie. "Thou shalt not commit adultery." God did not have sex with Mary. Just like he created the universe, he simple made Jesus appear in Mary's womb. He's God, he can do that. We can't.
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@Soubirous1000 You are either full of shit or you simply have just not read the bible.
Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
They never HAD eternal life asshole so yes, god did lie. 1/2
KamekoBruns 1 month ago
@Soubirous1000 As for the adultery issue, Matthew 5:28 "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
Supposedly this was said by Jesus who is god. God committed adultery by his own words.
Face it fool, you're done. You're just blindly following along with the dogma which has been forced upon you since your birth.
KamekoBruns 1 month ago
@KamekoBruns Why all the names man? What have I said to make you so angry? Did you even read the Bible? Genesis 3:22 was after Adam and Eve had eaten the fruit, so God banished them from the Garden of Eden (eternal salvation). Hence, God DID NOT lie. :) And Jesus said that whoever looks at a woman lustfully has committed adultery with her in his heart. God NEVER looked at a woman lustfully man! I win!
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@KamekoBruns "Thou shalt not kill." God flooded the Earth because he knew it would create a greater Good. He saw that the world was full of wicked people, so he wanted to form a better world for the future. He also made a vow that he would never flood the Earth again.
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@Soubirous1000 So? He still killed the entire worlds population, didn't he? He still violated his own rule here. And there was Sodom and Gamorrah and a whole laundry list of times that god either fully endorsed or otherwise authorized murder on a major scale.
forget it chump. You've lost.
KamekoBruns 1 month ago
@KamekoBruns The United States nuked Japan during World War II and killed hundreds of thousands of people. It was something that had to be done to prevent even more killing and years of war. It's the same reason God allows horrible things to happen in the world: to bring a greater good out of it. I guess since you called me a chump, I've lost the argument. Dang it!
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@Soubirous1000 Wow. How easily can I deflate this argument? 1st, God is now taking his cues from the US? 2nd, Is the US god? 3rd, Last I checked the US has not issued an edict for all of humanity to observe which states the requirement that one shall not kill.
Listen chump, it's over. Rationalize the bullshit your religion preaches all you want but those of us capable of rational thought have looked behind the curtain and realize it's all bullshit.
Have a nice life.
KamekoBruns 1 month ago
@KamekoBruns I was only giving a comparison brother. God knew that the flood was a horrible thing that was necessary, just as the United States saw that the nukes were necessary in solving our issue with Japan. You're making things way more complicated than they really are. Lighten up man! If I'm just pissing you off, I'll go away. Please don't think that I wish harm on you or your family though. That's all I ask.
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@KamekoBruns Here's what my religion preaches in a nutshell: "Love your neighbor as yourself, and pray for those who persecute you." I don't think that's bullshit at all. Come on, you have to admit that that's a great way to live your life. I'm sorry if I offended you in any way man. Happy New Year!
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
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@Soubirous1000 "Here's what my religion preaches in a nutshell: "Love your neighbor as yourself, and pray for those who persecute you."
Yeah. Unless your gay or brown.
Please.
It would be GREAT if your religion actually practiced what it preached.
KamekoBruns 1 month ago
@Soubirous1000 "I love God because he teaches me to love! "
You need an imaginary friend to remind you to be a good person?
Personally, I don't require that, but whatever floats your boat I guess.
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@pamew Just like I said to TheCarmudgen, I certainly do require another person to teach me how to be a good person. Do Children need their parents to teach them how to be healthy, wholesome, and good people? Do students need teachers to become wise? So yes, I require someone to teach me to love, because love is a discipline and an extremely difficult one at that.
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Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@pamew Also, there is a SO MUCH more to love than simply, "being a good person". As I said earlier, love is a challenging discipline.
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@Soubirous1000 i can't speak for every atheist. I can only speak for myself. The reason I don't believe in "something" for which there is no evidence is because I've seen first hand what that leads to: "My god can beat up your god"
But think of what you're saying: without God, you'd be a hate-filled killing machine??? Is that something you -really- want to admit to? I live a life of loving and helping others because "Good work is its own reward" not because "I'll get hookers in heaven"
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@MaceMeetFace I believe in God. I don't tell people, "My God can beat up your God." That's just moronic. And I'm not saying that without God, I'd be a hate-filled killing machine. I'm saying WITH God, I can live the best life. I love that you live a life of loving and helping others man. Keep doing it. And I agree with you! Good work is it's own reward. The reason why I do good works is because I know it will make God smile and I know it will make the people whom I help smile. That's all!
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@Soubirous1000 "I love God because he teaches me to love!" vs "I'm so sorry atheists, but I think you're idiots! And you bore me to death! Good grief!"
The two personalities of Soubirous1000 in action!
ScottJoC 1 month ago
@ScottJoC Just because I said I think atheists are idiots does not contradict my loving people! Even if someone is a moron, I'll still love them. And look man, I'm not perfect. I say insulting things about people quite often. You probably do too! BUT, I don't curse any group of people and I don't hate people. Usually Christians get slammed for judging people, but you're the one judging me because of a simple comment I made.
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@Soubirous1000 Just in case my other comment sailed over your head, You can't claim God teaches you to love while at the same time act hateful by insulting people or mocking them. Its contradictory, if God is teaching you to love then he's doing a pretty poor job so far.
ScottJoC 1 month ago
@Soubirous1000 I find it fascinating that you think we're atheists because we're afraid we'll be a mockery to our friends. Considering I live in a society that is almost completely Christian I stand more of a chance of being mocked because I'm an atheist. Also, why do you need someone else to tell you how to love? That's rather pathetic.
TheCurmudgen 1 month ago
@TheCurmudgen I never said you're afraid to be a mockery to you're friends. I ASKED you. And answering your other question, I do need someone else to teach me how to love. Love, like any art, is a discipline! Love is difficult and challenging! Just like I'll need someone else to teach me how to play a guitar, I need someone to teach me to love. I don't think that's pathetic at all.
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@Soubirous1000 By asking you are implying the reason. It's the same as if I asked you if you were brain damaged for believing in fairy tales. Also, love is not an art, it's not an instrument, it is an emotion, a natural feeling. Just like anger, sadness or fear, I don't need anyone to teach me about these emotions. You have some strange ideas inside your head.
TheCurmudgen 1 month ago
@TheCurmudgen I was certainly NOT implying the reason! I was totally and completely asking out of curiosity, because I don't know what goes on in the minds of atheists. I promise it was out of complete curiosity. And if you don't think love is a discipline and an art, than you haven't even lived man. If you think love is just an emotion, (sigh) I feel sorry for you. That is SO untrue! Why don't you read, "The Four Loves" by C.S. Lewis? I think that may clear up your misconceptions of true love.
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@TheCurmudgen You said that you don't need anyone to teach you about those emotions. Well neither do I need anyone to teach me ABOUT those emotions! However, I certainly do need others to teach me how to control and direct those emotions into something constructive and positive. God teaches me to use love to overshadow all other emotions, directing me in my life choices.
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
@Soubirous1000 Love is not a discipline, it is not an art. It can inspire these things, sure, but it is nothing more than an emotion, no matter how badly you want it to be more. And as a 43 year old who's lived a very full life I know what true love is and I don't need a god to tell me anything about love just as I don't need a book to tell me what it is. A shame you think you're limited to the influences of others over a natural feeling.
TheCurmudgen 1 month ago
@TheCurmudgen I'm glad you've lived a full life. And I'm sure you know more than I do about life. But I still believe firmly that love is more than an emotion. I'm very influenced by others, because as human beings, we need each other. We need friends and family to help us become better people! I simply believe that God is the light, the head, or the guiding star to everyone. And so I look to him whenever I'm troubled, or not troubled at all. But hey, we'll respect each other's differences.
Soubirous1000 1 month ago
EDGEofDARKNESS100 2 months ago
@EDGEofDARKNESS100 ya but theres proof u have a brain dumb fuck, i don't believe in god but that doesn't mean im an atheist, it could also mean im agnostic.
hoodfiggaist 2 months ago
@EDGEofDARKNESS100 This is the dumbest fucking argument ever. When you're in your bed room and the bathroom is on the other side of the wall does that mean the bathroom doesn't exist? Does this mean that to some one in New York China doesn't exist? Can't see it so it must not exist? That's not the argument. That difference is between the natural and the supernatural.
KamekoBruns 2 months ago
@EDGEofDARKNESS100 :I
TheCosmicFireStar 2 months ago
@EDGEofDARKNESS100 AHA AHAHAHA AHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHHAH AHAHAHA hAHAHAHAh aAHAh aHAAHAha HahhaHhAha HhAhhaHAHHAHhAhAHAHAA!!!!!!!! IDIOT!!! xD
themetalkid1996 2 months ago
@EDGEofDARKNESS100 Im not going to call you an idiot or anything I would just like to point out a flaw in your argument.
In your argument you say that the teacher would answer no but this is wrong as the teacher would know that they CAN indeed go get a scan to see his brain and if he was so inclined could also cut his own head open and touch his own brain although I don't think they would want to.
The brain is a tangible object that can be observed and Interacted with.
Thank you.
Beechmiester90 2 months ago
@EDGEofDARKNESS100 Pleas tell us you didnt actually mean that.
gulbirk 2 months ago
@EDGEofDARKNESS100 You so funny I forgot to laugh... at you that is!
NicolSD 1 month ago
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@NicolSD
>"You so funny I forgot to laugh..."
By the noodly appendage! That's a "comeback" I haven't heard since the 4th grade!
That bullshit rebuttal was old and stale back in the 80s. Why are you dragging that shit-covered chestnut into the 21st century?
LordCustos3 1 month ago
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@EDGEofDARKNESS100 A Quote from HappyCabbie ''You can go to a hospital and get a cat scan'' aka an x-ray that shows pictures of your brain. You cannot be that motherfucking stupid? That was just lazy and pathetic, show proper proof of God apart from the Bible which only has been re-written by corrupt, insane men over thousands generations.
toyotaprius79 1 month ago
@dannielhmanning it's better to say it in this way : how the he'll did you come to this if there is no GOD what its just a coincidence?
EDGEofDARKNESS100 2 months ago
@Pikintool Then where did any matter come from? There must have been matter before the big bang, right?
danielhmanning 2 months ago
@danielhmanning There was matter and energy prior to the big bang. Is was called the singularity.
KamekoBruns 2 months ago
JESUS IS THE WAY TO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
HE IS THE KING OF THE UNIVERSE AND HOLDS THE KEY TO LIFE ITSELF.
SirKittyMon 2 months ago
@SirKittyMon
>"[JEBUS] IS THE KING OF THE UNIVERSE AND HOLDS THE KEY TO LIFE ITSELF."
Worshippers of Ahura Mazda would disagree...and they have just as much evidence to back up their assertions as you do.
P.S.: Unsupported Opinions don't become truer or more convincing by turning the caps lock on.
LordCustos3 1 month ago
You got it too good chief. If only you could see the universe from an NDE or OBE perspective. You would reconsider the Golden City and the Book Of Life.
"For many will grow cold in the faith in these times. "
You have fulfilled this prophecy.
The Expanse of the Universe and all that is within is absolutely incredible. On the Earth we only see a glimpse of the hyper dimensions of the universe.
If you belief , then you will see.
The door to faith cannot be opened if you do not knock.
SirKittyMon 2 months ago
You need matter to create matter how can a baby be formed? we need to groups of matter to FUCK eachother.How was god created? "he was just there" most religious men&women would say but that goes to my statement You need matter to create matter.
Pikintool 2 months ago
@Pikintool Wrong. You need either energy or matter to create matter and vice versa.
KamekoBruns 2 months ago
Christian: Well who made the universe if there is no god?
Atheist: Who made God?
Christian: No one God just is..
Atheist: Well to me the Universe "Just is".. :)
This might be frightening to some, but doesn't make in untrue..
Peace And Love!!
dshuggans 2 months ago
Love your work happycabbie, i'm an atheist too. just a quick explanation to some of the comments below. "For those who don't believe in God, no explanation is sufficient", it is completely wrong. Present real evidence of God, and we also believe. And to you that mentions all the good work done by Christians, know this, Only ONE person of all the hundreds who have won the nobel peace prize, is Christian. Think about that one...
FaceMrCare 2 months ago
Everyone, atheist, agnostic, Christain, Muslim, etc, will center their life around something! That center is their God. Here's why I believe that my interpretation is correct. The God I serve teaches me to serve others more than myself. He teaches me to love no matter how difficult it is. He teaches me to give! He teaches me to make this world a better place! Don't you think that if everyone's own mentality was the selfless service of everyone around them, that the world would be a better place?
Soubirous1000 2 months ago
@Rhoky I can't prove that my interpretation of the Bible is the right one. I know people and I've seen people whose lives have been changed for the better because they believe. Listen brother, when logic and statistics become the center of our life, we'll become like robots. We'll lose our humanity! Belief has made more of a difference in this world than anything. It makes us human. And even if you're an athiest, you'll have a God. That God may be a person, an idea, money, materials, etc.
Soubirous1000 2 months ago
I've always felt that religion is not so much about putting faith in a god(s), but rather in putting faith in the prophets of god(s). A prophet comes down from a mountain and says he spoke with his god. He's basing his belief on personal observation. The rest of us are basing our beliefs on the faith that this man is not a liar. So really, religion is all about character assessment.
ShawnRavenfire 2 months ago
Good stuff. Coincidentally, there is exactly the same amount of evidence for atheism as there is for not believing in Santa.
dangerics 2 months ago
How I see it is we are all human and as the human race we will press forward and progress to be better. I'm an atheist and I think that religion is great but I have faith in what I said about humans. I think religion is apart of culture and all the cultures are many colors and patterns on the tapestry that is the legacy of humans (yes I did quote assassins creed revelations)
natedogg5530 2 months ago
There is 100% evidence for atheism because atheists prove atheism 24/7 by not being theist. Damn, that was easy to defeat.
Viktir666 2 months ago
I see myself as an atheist.
For me the question is not about a God existing or not, but instead how a God would affect my everyday life.
I think its the same question religious people ask themselves.
I really don't understand the whole discussion about what others believe in and why, or if it is "correct".
Why is it important? We'll probably never find an answer, so why do people waste time caring?
petersahlholdt 3 months ago
there is no god - amos ch 5 vs 8 shows the bible is a copy of nile valley laws - every prayer formation(s) cloned to the T. all i can say is study your origin, study the jungle
dolamich 3 months ago
@Rhoky Maybe you should actually try having faith. If you truly have faith, you'll come to know God. And my goodness, I pray that you do.
Soubirous1000 3 months ago
I think people have moved on since then, this has been answered, it is a stupid question. Fail
spareaxe 3 months ago
@sabin97 If you could be rational for a moment? Religion was a very important glue that kept people as one those days (seriously). Mecca&Medina was surrounded by desert, thieves behind every cliff along the silk road. So they made up one. The Holy Stone of Caba represent the 'nature religions' in the deserts, Jerusalem binds Christianity and Juadism to it and the Qur'an is their own sacred relic. The Qur'an is full of copy/paste lines with an additional touch to it from both Ju,Chr & even Hindu!
Philosophilia 3 months ago
@sabin97 How Mohammed could PROVE his holyness? Oh yes! He could explain in detail what Jerusalem looked like without ever being there. He flew over the city on a UNICORN, that's how! Fantastic. Ooor maybe he paid someone to give a detailed description of the city? Or the story is just bullshit. Just a thought. But yes, things were different those days and Mecca/Medina NEEDED a religion to secure trade lines and stabilize a region with many religions. Religion was the glue those days, not today
Philosophilia 3 months ago
The bible is wrong, the Qur'an is right, no! the qur'an is wrong and the bible is right! Fck!?! The TORA is the right book you fckers!?? And this goes on and on and on and on.... Blind people with blind beliefs. So as a starter; The Qur'an is based on the bible (heavily) and the old testament (bible) is mainly based on/is the Torah.
Stories in the bible are ridiciolusly similar to older pagan gods, and somehow all three books have stories about unicorns in it. That SHOULD close the discussion.
Philosophilia 3 months ago
@sabin97 it can be proven the difference between muslim and christians is that christian dont believe muslim but muslim believes in christianity in its true sprit
hayderbukhari 3 months ago
Well i can call u half muslim as u reached the half of muslim faith "there is no God "but Allah And Mohammed p b u h is his messenger is the only part u are missing
hayderbukhari 3 months ago
IslamNotMuslims 3 months ago
@IslamNotMuslims
i dont doubt your intentions
but christians claim the koran is false, and yet they claim their bible IS "proof" of the SAME god you worship(the god of abraham)
jews claim their holy books are the true holy books and "proof" of the SAME god you and the christians worship.....
so how do you know which one(if any) is correct?
sabin97 3 months ago
@sabin97
Thanks for not berating me!
As you admire my intentions, I admire the Christians' intentions with their saying that the Bible is "proof" of God, & to a lesser extent (because they don't push their faith as much) The Jews when they say what they do.
However, there are many contradictions in their Scripture...historical, scientific, mathematical, & even moral contradictions.
There are NONE in Al-Qur'an...so being a God-fearing person, I accepted Islam based on no fallacies within.
IslamNotMuslims 3 months ago
@IslamNotMuslims
i must admit that i've never read the koran(sorry about the spelling, i've seen several different ones and this is the easiest one for me) but i suspect there are many contradictions, historical, scientific, mathematical and moral in there, just like any other religious text.....
i've read parts of the bible and i agree with you, it's full of contradictions, and grotesque, blasphemous representations of god....
sabin97 3 months ago
@sabin97
I challenge you to find ONE contradiction in The Koran.
The Koran challenges you on this as well, several times.
"Do they not ponder about the Koran with care? Had it been from any other than God, they would surely have found many contradictions within." 4:82, among a few.
Read it - it's damn good.
But no, there are no contradictions whatsoever in Al-Qur'an.
I tried debunking Islam for months ; you can't.
It's real, & it's from God, there are no contradictions & there's proof.
IslamNotMuslims 3 months ago
@IslamNotMuslims
after i'm done with the bible i'll start with the koran
in the christian mind there are no contradictions or grotesque, blasphemous representations
everything you show them, they go through mental gymnastics to try and make it fit their view of reality and thus they never accept the contradictions
i suspect you will do the same with the contradictions(that i suspect are there) in the koran....
sabin97 3 months ago
@sabin97
When you make assumptions, you look like an asshole.
You won't finish The Bible, & you won't start on Al-Qur'an ; that's how people like you are...no big deal, though.
You will not find ANY scientific, historical, mathematical, or moral contradiction in The Koran...you can assume all you want, that doesn't mean you're right, & it makes you look like an arrogant ignoramus, to top it off.
It's funny how you have already made up your mind - your ignorance is shining through brightly.
IslamNotMuslims 3 months ago
@IslamNotMuslims
a quick google search brought this
sura 47:4; 2:191; 4:74-77 (convert them by force)
vs
sura 2:256(dont convert them by force)
can you confirm if that's what they actually say?(or point to an online version of the koran)
also notice that i'm attacking the argument,not using ad hominem attacks
sabin97 3 months ago
@sabin97
You can prove anything with the "copy & paste" method - I can open up "Mein Kampf" right now & read you a few lines, flip a few pages & read a few more lines, & then come up with some nonsense that peace & humanity are preached.
47:4, & 2:191 are talking of an invading army. The prisoners the Muslims took were then admonished about Islam...if they became Muslim, they'd be free. 4:74-77 is talking of preaching Islam.
2:256 is saying there is no compulsion in the acceptance of Islam
IslamNotMuslims 3 months ago
@sabin97
I truly, greatly appreciate the way you asked that...and yes, I totally noticed how you're attacking the argument, & not resorting to ad-hominem attacks.
It's easy to read anything out of context when you aren't learned in what the text is teaching, or preaching...I'll answer anything else you may have.
The first verses cited are talking of propagating & spreading Islam, & offering Islam to POWs in exchange for freedom.
The second cited verse says that acceptance is up to them.
IslamNotMuslims 3 months ago
@IslamNotMuslims
"You can prove anything with the "copy & paste" method" actually you can't, religious people try to do that with their holy books all the time, taking texts out of context(and avoiding texts they don't like)
if i claim to have read things i haven't read then i am lying and i only weaken my position.
"offering Islam to POWs in exchange for freedom." that sounds to me a lot like the catholics selling indulgence. "if you convert i'll set you free" sounds like a bribe
sabin97 3 months ago
@sabin97
Yeah - you can prove anything with the "copy & paste" method. I'll open Mein Kampf, read a few lines, flip a few pages, read a few more, & then pass it off like it's preaching peace & justice.
These POWs were from an invading army of polytheists...so if they embraced Islam (which had to be on their own, as we can only offer it), they would inevitably abandon their allegiance to polytheism, thus siding with the Muslims...so yes, if they converted, they would be free...as Muslims.
IslamNotMuslims 3 months ago
@IslamNotMuslims
you can take any texts out of context but it will be called by someone who has read it, i've had to do that to religious people when they try to cherry-pick from their precious bible....
just so you know polytheism isnt a single faction. i assure you the greeks were not allied with the aztecs, and they were both polytheists that doesnt make them hate muslims.
offering a pow freedom in exchange for anything will make it much more likely that they will accept your terms.
sabin97 3 months ago
@sabin97
???
Sure, polytheists don't hate Muslims, per se, but this invading army that was killing them did...!
I don't see what you're trying to point out at all. You seem to be grasping at straws for something that I'm not too certain about...as I said, I don't see what you're trying to prove/say.
If a freed prisoner is lying about their acceptance to Islam, that's beyond our control. God knows, & the punishment with Him is greater than anything anyone could do.
IslamNotMuslims 3 months ago
@sabin97
So, my challenge still stands.
Find one contradiction/error in Al-Qur'an, as you claim it contains many, even though you haven't read it.
IslamNotMuslims 3 months ago
@IslamNotMuslims
your challenge was met by your own words
"accept islam and we'll set you free, otherwise you'll remain pows...with all that being a pow implies"
also i didn't claim that i knew it had many, i claimed i suspect it has many, like all religious texts i've read do....and i still suspect the koran does....
sabin97 3 months ago
@sabin97
The only people who wouldn't accept the truth, after clear proofs have been brought forth to them, would be an ignoramus, a true disbeliever, or a schemer.
4:89 addresses this & these people, & what to do in these circumstances.
Again - if someone wishes to not accept Islam, that is up to them...we can't do anything more, nor anything to them. There is no compulsion allowed in Islam.
Still - it's not a contradiction...not sure what you're trying to prove.
Find ONE contradiction.
IslamNotMuslims 3 months ago
@IslamNotMuslims
maybe i misunderstood you, so i'll try to be as specific as i can and ask a yes/no question
did you say that pows are offered freedom in exchange of converting to islam?
sabin97 3 months ago
@sabin97
No - not in that context you've put it into.
The POWs who were offered Islam in exchange for their imprisonment were an invading army of polytheists. These people were enemies to the Muslims, & sought to kill them off.
So, if one were to accept Islam, they would then in turn not be warring with the Muslims.
It wasn't : "Hey prisoner - here's Islam, you can have it & be free".
Though, some POWs lied & turned their backs...and there are verses addressing that as well.
IslamNotMuslims 2 months ago
@IslamNotMuslims
the words may not have been literally "take islam and be free" but the effect was the same. they knew that by converting to islam they would be freed.
you keep bringing up polytheism....of what polytheistic religion were these invading armies?
sabin97 2 months ago
@sabin97
No - you're putting it into context that it's not in.
It's not : "accept Islam to be free, or else you're a prisoner".
The whole motive behind offering Islam to these prisoners was to have them cease fighting against the Muslims upon their acceptance.
If these polytheists were warring against the Muslims, & were taken as prisoners they were taught about Islam. Seeing that they were polytheists, if they accepted Islam, they wouldn't be fighting the Muslims anymore.
This is simple.
IslamNotMuslims 2 months ago
@sabin97
What does it matter what sect of polytheism these people belonged to?
I only know the names of some of their gods ; I don't know what they called themselves.
Some of these warring polytheists were also just regular Arabian tribes, sought to destroy Islam & the Muslims.
So, needless to say - it doesn't matter what sect of polytheism they identified with ; the situation at hand is that they were rejecting monotheism, & attacking & killing, imposing their religion on others.
IslamNotMuslims 2 months ago
@IslamNotMuslims
sect? polytheist religions are not linked.
the norse, aztecs, incas, greeks, and many other polytheists never met each other and their gods were very different...
i think you have the wrong idea of what polytheism is.it's not ONE religion and they are not even linked
a polytheist religion is a religion with many gods, nothing more and nothing less. studying world religions would be very enlightening, i encourage you to read about them when you get a chance....
sabin97 2 months ago
@sabin97
If you want to know more about what these polytheists practiced & did, read something on pre-Islamic Arabia.
I'm not sure what you're trying to suggest , or imply...but you still haven't been able to find or cite me even ONE example of an inconsistency or contradiction or error, on ANY front, be it in science, math, history, or even morality, in Al-Qur'an.
You seem to be grasping at straws, & trying to "prove" something in which you're not even sure of yourself.
IslamNotMuslims 2 months ago
@IslamNotMuslims
perhaps i misunderstood your explanation about pows so please clarify these two points
if they converted to islam, were they freed?
did they know they would(as others had been) freed?
"science, math, history,"...before islam the arabs made such brilliant, important contributions to the world....it was the intellectual center of culture, then islam came and boom! like an off-switch the contributions stopped.
coincidence?
anyway the pows thing....yes or no?(both questions please)
sabin97 2 months ago