It's Wing Chun that sucks shit. Not the traditional martial arts. MMA is built off traditional martial arts. Muay Thai is TMA. It's root goes back to Muay Boran. Judo is a TMA. Karate and TaeKwonDo are TMA. Sanshou is TMA. Boxing is TMA. Jiujitsu is TMA. Greco-Roman wrestling is TMA. Freestyle Wrestling is TMA. Savate is TMA. Those arts and similar/variant versions of them have all been proven effective. WC has not. WC sucks shit.
Some excellent points made here. In a vicious dog fight anything goes, in the ring, limits apply. Don't fool yourself into thinking full contact training with rules in place is enough for the reality of conflict with a trained, determined and skilled attacker, whom, unless you go looking for, will never ever meet in the real world. It might be useful against the average drunken mug, or idiot looking for a Saturday night scrap, but grapple or box with someone coming at you with a knife, machete
by full contact i mean hard sparring sessions that get you used to getting hit and knowing how to react to things like that. I trained boxing and muay thai for a while and as a beginner I was just doing pad work and drills that helped my technique and after a while i thought i was good, it wasn't until i began to spar that i realized how different things are when you get people coming at you and how you have to set everything up by knowing your distance and whatnot.
Good video, one thing that i think is worth bringing up is how a lot of traditional martial art students don't train full contact(i have limited experience with TMA so i don't know how many actually do) and training full contact is a must for being able to defend yourself in a street fight situation. Knowing technique is well and good but if you are not able to do those techniques while someone is hitting you and trying to harm you then you got nothing....
Facts - 1/ The MMA industry took a huge financial hit with the release of the Yip Man movies. 2/ S.W.A.T. teams around the world have been using Wing Chun for decades. 3/ In 1996, BJJ was integrated into the U.S. Marine Corps hand to hand curriculum only to be taken back out shortly after the war started due to inefficiency on the battlefield. (Soldiers were hitting the ground during 'sweep and clears') In the real world, if your on your back, your dead. Period.
@WingTsunPanda Agreed. The thing is though WC students also need sparring experience against people from other styles and other clubs. An easy way to do this is getting in the ring. Ring fights have the added mental element of pressure, which is good training for street situations. I really think more WC coaches should see ring fights as an essential part of training/development, as for example, my wrestling and muay thai coaches do.
Dude I couldnt agree more, hahahaha that made me laugh, I am sick of looking at videos and seeing people say Patty Cake kung fu this stuff is useless and same with chi sao, when in reality its all very effective and a small part of the system. it can seriously injure and even kill someone I would actually like to see any MMA guy try a takedown a kick or a punch on the street to any skilled WC practioner and than they'll see how effective it is
One last point. Remember that WC originated in Southern China to defend against people who would attack with more traditional kung fu styles. Today in the West, people on the street have different influences and backgrounds and will attack in different ways - i.e. more like a boxer or MMA guy. WC training needs to be adapted to deal with this. The simplest way to do this is for WC guys to go into the ring to get more experienced, so they can begin adapting the style based on fight experiences.
Remember, Grandmaster Ip Man encouraged his students to test their techniques against other fighters in rooftop fights and then he changed the system/training accordingly, depsending on how these fights went. That is why I think it is important for WC guys to go into the ring - to see these system evolve. At the moment, as Bruce Lee said - the style is too restrictive and impractical. It needs updated.
I like you Mr Yattix and I take your views seriously enough to respond to your videos. I've trained both WC and MMA a lot. I think you're missing the point. Very few (like, 1 in 10) of the WC guys I know can defend themselves on the street. Most people who train MMA for a while (3 in 4) could defend themselves well. Ring fights ARE important because they show what type of stand up techniques are easily used successfully when under pressure against someone attacking you.
@kelly980 Thanks for responding. I actually agree with you that getting into a cage would be an excellent way of testing a practitioner's WC skills in a safe environment - but training WC *for* the cage would be very dangerous and contrary to it's core tenets IMO.
@MrYattix Thank you for replying. I also think it is good for testing WC teachers. If a WC teacher get a few students to the level where they get in a cage and defend themselves well (using only WC, no BBJ etc), it shows that they are good teachers, IMO. I teach WC and my students have been going into ring fights for a while now winning about 5 of 10 fights. I started doing this to learn more about fighting/martial arts/WC and it has really helped. I recommend it to all WC teachers.
I certainly agree with you when it comes down to who would win between a traditional martial artist and a mixed martial artist, all down to the individual, Bruce Lee himself said ' man is always more important than the style ' i like wing chun although never trained it myself but im a sport fighting fan so mma is just my personal choice , thanks for the upload :)
I would take what is useful for me from mma and add it to the skills that I already have which includes some wing chun. The best thing I am getting from wing chun is that I feel more confident in inclose fighting punching and blocking and trapping. Like Bruce Lee said, take what works for you from all fighting disciplines and discard the rest. I bought a vid cd where the only thing I felt was useful to me was developing a powerful six inch punch. In states with ccw, bad guy should run.
unfortunately this ignorant thought process is something a lot of society cant ignore. Classification of each martial art, just like the classification of different types of cars has its biases. Each car can drive, significance in factors provided makes the difference. I agree with your opinion on the environmental factors, anything can happen.
It's Wing Chun that sucks shit. Not the traditional martial arts. MMA is built off traditional martial arts. Muay Thai is TMA. It's root goes back to Muay Boran. Judo is a TMA. Karate and TaeKwonDo are TMA. Sanshou is TMA. Boxing is TMA. Jiujitsu is TMA. Greco-Roman wrestling is TMA. Freestyle Wrestling is TMA. Savate is TMA. Those arts and similar/variant versions of them have all been proven effective. WC has not. WC sucks shit.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos 3
The guy who has the better style......
FreeWillyForMe 2 weeks ago
Some excellent points made here. In a vicious dog fight anything goes, in the ring, limits apply. Don't fool yourself into thinking full contact training with rules in place is enough for the reality of conflict with a trained, determined and skilled attacker, whom, unless you go looking for, will never ever meet in the real world. It might be useful against the average drunken mug, or idiot looking for a Saturday night scrap, but grapple or box with someone coming at you with a knife, machete
Wingchunjinkuen 1 month ago
@MrYattix There are only two possibilities
1) If someone is good enough, they can beat a skilled opponent using only wet-willies and head-noogies
or
2) Some techniques are better than others.
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Fighter and techniques used. Both matter equally.
MacFlanahan 1 month ago 5
@MrYattix Since anecdotal evidence is only slightly better than worthless, how does one discover what actually works in a fight?
MacFlanahan 1 month ago 4
by full contact i mean hard sparring sessions that get you used to getting hit and knowing how to react to things like that. I trained boxing and muay thai for a while and as a beginner I was just doing pad work and drills that helped my technique and after a while i thought i was good, it wasn't until i began to spar that i realized how different things are when you get people coming at you and how you have to set everything up by knowing your distance and whatnot.
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Good video, one thing that i think is worth bringing up is how a lot of traditional martial art students don't train full contact(i have limited experience with TMA so i don't know how many actually do) and training full contact is a must for being able to defend yourself in a street fight situation. Knowing technique is well and good but if you are not able to do those techniques while someone is hitting you and trying to harm you then you got nothing....
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Facts - 1/ The MMA industry took a huge financial hit with the release of the Yip Man movies. 2/ S.W.A.T. teams around the world have been using Wing Chun for decades. 3/ In 1996, BJJ was integrated into the U.S. Marine Corps hand to hand curriculum only to be taken back out shortly after the war started due to inefficiency on the battlefield. (Soldiers were hitting the ground during 'sweep and clears') In the real world, if your on your back, your dead. Period.
MMA = Macho. Man. Aerobics.
MediumSizedCrane 2 months ago
@WingTsunPanda Agreed. The thing is though WC students also need sparring experience against people from other styles and other clubs. An easy way to do this is getting in the ring. Ring fights have the added mental element of pressure, which is good training for street situations. I really think more WC coaches should see ring fights as an essential part of training/development, as for example, my wrestling and muay thai coaches do.
kelly980 2 months ago
Dude I couldnt agree more, hahahaha that made me laugh, I am sick of looking at videos and seeing people say Patty Cake kung fu this stuff is useless and same with chi sao, when in reality its all very effective and a small part of the system. it can seriously injure and even kill someone I would actually like to see any MMA guy try a takedown a kick or a punch on the street to any skilled WC practioner and than they'll see how effective it is
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One last point. Remember that WC originated in Southern China to defend against people who would attack with more traditional kung fu styles. Today in the West, people on the street have different influences and backgrounds and will attack in different ways - i.e. more like a boxer or MMA guy. WC training needs to be adapted to deal with this. The simplest way to do this is for WC guys to go into the ring to get more experienced, so they can begin adapting the style based on fight experiences.
kelly980 2 months ago
@kelly980 i was thinking that too
EBB47 2 months ago
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kelly980 2 months ago
Remember, Grandmaster Ip Man encouraged his students to test their techniques against other fighters in rooftop fights and then he changed the system/training accordingly, depsending on how these fights went. That is why I think it is important for WC guys to go into the ring - to see these system evolve. At the moment, as Bruce Lee said - the style is too restrictive and impractical. It needs updated.
kelly980 2 months ago
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I like you Mr Yattix and I take your views seriously enough to respond to your videos. I've trained both WC and MMA a lot. I think you're missing the point. Very few (like, 1 in 10) of the WC guys I know can defend themselves on the street. Most people who train MMA for a while (3 in 4) could defend themselves well. Ring fights ARE important because they show what type of stand up techniques are easily used successfully when under pressure against someone attacking you.
kelly980 2 months ago
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@kelly980 Thanks for responding. I actually agree with you that getting into a cage would be an excellent way of testing a practitioner's WC skills in a safe environment - but training WC *for* the cage would be very dangerous and contrary to it's core tenets IMO.
MrYattix 2 months ago
@MrYattix Thank you for replying. I also think it is good for testing WC teachers. If a WC teacher get a few students to the level where they get in a cage and defend themselves well (using only WC, no BBJ etc), it shows that they are good teachers, IMO. I teach WC and my students have been going into ring fights for a while now winning about 5 of 10 fights. I started doing this to learn more about fighting/martial arts/WC and it has really helped. I recommend it to all WC teachers.
kelly980 2 months ago
Agreed
shadjazz 2 months ago
Great video, like your way of thinking. Are you going to do any more videos on wing Chun?
Gunslinger800 3 months ago
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@Gunslinger800 If I can think of any interesting topics to cover, then yes.
MrYattix 2 months ago
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I hope this video gets hits cause lots of idiots need to hear this
EBB47 3 months ago
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@EBB47 Thanks
MrYattix 2 months ago
I certainly agree with you when it comes down to who would win between a traditional martial artist and a mixed martial artist, all down to the individual, Bruce Lee himself said ' man is always more important than the style ' i like wing chun although never trained it myself but im a sport fighting fan so mma is just my personal choice , thanks for the upload :)
UFCNUTTA 3 months ago
I would take what is useful for me from mma and add it to the skills that I already have which includes some wing chun. The best thing I am getting from wing chun is that I feel more confident in inclose fighting punching and blocking and trapping. Like Bruce Lee said, take what works for you from all fighting disciplines and discard the rest. I bought a vid cd where the only thing I felt was useful to me was developing a powerful six inch punch. In states with ccw, bad guy should run.
Jasper50 3 months ago
unfortunately this ignorant thought process is something a lot of society cant ignore. Classification of each martial art, just like the classification of different types of cars has its biases. Each car can drive, significance in factors provided makes the difference. I agree with your opinion on the environmental factors, anything can happen.
amrwg6111 3 months ago 2
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joe rogan=that guy ;(
YellowExplosion 3 months ago
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@YellowExplosion Indeed. It's in Rogan's interest to push MMA obviously as it pays for his weed.
MrYattix 3 months ago