sex with whom you want, when and how you want, and don't donate any money to that religious organization and see what happens. Are you still Catholic or Baptist then? OR are you still Jewish if you don't feel guilt. Then what.
Religion developed to breed the natural tendency of children to lie, cheat, steal, cuss, and generally misbehave and so much of religious doctrine is about instilling a sense of guilt. Before we had laws or a way to reinforce, the way to do that is to get you to feel guilty, yet someone born sociopathic never feels guilt. Think about it what is religion if you ignore their doctrine over two things: sex and money. What are you left with. In other words, be whatever religion you want but have...
@muhamid. you said and im sure you said it because its in the bible, IF you do not follow the lords law you will perish for eternal life in hell. Anything going against christ is the work of the devil. OK, SO WHAT YO ARE SAYING IS I WORK PAY MY BILLS TREAT PEOPLE WITH RESPECT I TAKE CARE OF MY FAMILY AND JUST DO WHAT I NEED TO DO AS A GOOD CITIZEN ALL WITH OUT BELIEVEING IN GOD. SO THAT MEANS IM GOING TO HELL. CAN YOU REALLY JUSTIFY THAT IS REASONABLE AND FAIR?
oh forgot to add yes some believe children go straight to hell since we are born sinners some say there is what i call a waiting room lol place between heaven and hell,not sure of the specific religions that mean that and also mention Akhenaten if you want to see religious people freak and go crazy he started monotheism before even the Jews.
Reading the bible logically it says the word of God should not be changed.
I think the bible was a moral code for a geographic location that thought the middle east was all there was of the world.
That events must not change the powers that be.
I think it was the first true demonstration of propoganda.
I don't think it proves there is no God, in fact it puts a spot light of the probability of a creatix of some sort and if it helps some people to give it a name, then all's good!
There are no published scriptures that talk of 'original sin'!
(If you believe in that sort of thing).
Adam and Eve's sins are not recognised as being inherant in man. (In the bible)
'Sin' is something that does not fit into a moral code of a society.
I like your link between sin and ego... However ego is based on ' self ' and then to believe there is a link between 'self ' and 'sin' (original or not) the outlook is pretty glum for life, unless you have a wild card...
there is only God, be honest with yourself. we all know who God is. and plz don't make fun of ppls faith. but than again you have the free will to do whatever you wish
I am a christian and your answer to that is a kid going to go to hell because they dont understand about god, the answer is no because jesus said, let the children come and dont stop them from learning for those that are 1st here on earth will be last in the kingdom of god and those that are last here on earth will be 1st in the kingdom of god.
IF you do not follow the lords law you will perish for eternal life in hell. Anything going against christ is the work of the devil.
@muhamid14 The bible is written by man, as much as religion and Jesus. That's another thing. Stop using the bible to validate your beliefs. Give us some facts. PROVE IT or shut up.
@muhamid14 your god is a bigot and a douche bag, i will slay him and then string your intestines upon the gates of heaven... And cook your mass over the flames of hell, while sipping tea with the delectably funny satan. SO MOTE IT BE
I am christian too. but when he says childre comes first. how come in duetoronomy:21 verses 18-20, why does it say that if you disobey your parents you will be stoned?
@muhamid14 YOU ARE SO F-ING BRAINWASHED IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY! Stop it already, jeez this is the 21 century, do you honestly think that the bible is true. It's such bullshit.
@muhamid14 If you do believe that children are innocent in the eyes of God, wouldn't it be reasonable to suggest that abortion doctors are winning more souls for Christ than Christian missionaries? Why not bomb a pre-school? That would surely win a lot of souls for Christ.
If you do not believe that children are innocent in the eyes of God, wouldn't it be fair to suggest that God is a monster? Do you see the conundrum here?
@muhamid14 i got an even better one. If you believe that your eternal life is more important than your physical life and you believe that all children are innocent in the eyes of God, why not kill your children so they are guaranteed to go to heaven?
@muhamid14 If you were educated enough to understand your own viewpoint, you would realise that you are are in fact an ugly facist. What you're saying is "believe what I beleive or your going to hell". That's an ugly and ignorant viewpoint - it gives the impression that you have, as a man, the mental aptitude of a spoilt child.
In Islam, All Kids are Muslims! Pure and go to heaven! Your body is even Muslim but you choose to keep your soul pure or you choose to do evil with it!! So if you stay innocent like children, you will enter heaven even if you did not do the prayers of Muslims. Also, all things in the world are Muslims because they follow the laws of physics which God put in our world. It is only the human souls that do not use the laws of God so they need prophets to guide them. Be kind if u respond! Thanx
@salyha1 Besides the Qur'an saying so, what physical, observable, obtainable evidence do you have that suggests that Allah = physics? Or that every person is born Muslim? A newborn has no ability to speak so how have Muslims PROVEN that they already believe in Allah? And if they do why do all children fail to mention his name when they learn to speak? They are still young and innocent as you say.
@antigravity000 The word Allah in arabic means the Creator -
In Islam, the Creator made "physics" and since we are born with no knowledge of physics, the Creator talks to the best moral people through out history to be prophets to teach the people how to live in harmony with the physics around them till they can better understand it. Jesus was a physical miracle to remind humans that God creats physics and knows how to break its laws- virgin Mary or stones into birds
@salyha1 Does that mean all physicists are prophets? ;) It takes more persuading to believe in something with no clear evidence. Also, you didn't answer any of my questions and it seems that no one else can either.
@antigravity000 no, not all physicists were prophets but i would have to say that all prophets were physicists as god gave them the knowledge of physics to use as miracles to convince humanity of the need to stay innocent to enter heaven. now, regarding seeing the creator,He said that our physical bodies cannot stand the energy of seeing him as a mountain collapsed when He appeared infront of it in the past. in islam, the creator says he is the light of the skies and earth.
I'm sorry but your answers are irrelivent. you'are alive now and when you die your physical body becomes usless and inanimate. have you ever seen a dead person. If not then go to the morgue and take a look. The corps look like dolls, and maybe then you'll realize that what made it alive is the existence of the soul. If that dose not lead to the conclusion that someone had placed this soul inside the body to make it alive then I don't know what else to say. You still didn't answer my questions.
If you are talking about 'reason' which is the basis of 'fallacies' and in the same sentance 'burning', which I presume is metaphorical, I don't understand where you are, or where you are going!
Religion can be seen as exploiting emotional triggers and can be viewed as a fallacy, everyone should be allowed to view things in the ways they feel are right, good luck to them, afterall we should live life as if we only have one... Correct?
I was essentially saying the comment contained so many logical fallacies that it was almost physically painful, you really didn't get that? I mean looking at a corpse and saying it must have had a soul in it is fallacious in the extreme, it's asinine. People are of course entitled to their belief, however beliefs affect actions, it is when people make stupid choices because of their religion that I'm opposed to religion and other fairytales.
@anytime851 nope..you think your body will funtion forever?as you get old you get wrinkly,brain cells die off,or some diesease caused their main function(brain or heart)to stop working and poof theyre dead
If we were created by a coincidence through evolution as Atheists claim, then how come we stopped evolving into superior beings? and how com when we die our remains do not assemble with the elements of earth to evolve into somthing else or another human. and why do we even die if there was no objective to our existence and there is no God? How come we are not immortal? and how come no Athiest can answer any of the preceding questions?
You say: 'how com when we die our remains do not assemble with the elements of earth to evolve into somthing else or another human. And why do we even die if there was no objective to our existence and there is no God?'
OK, you lost me here a little... We do not reassemble spiritually however we do physically; once again it's a timing issue.
We are immortal, your body learns enough and then simply gives up.
(Review your perception of evolution and reincarnation).
There are some home truths in the matter that we are natural beings and need to develop, death of friends and family is a natural progression and it is those left behind who feel more pain.
The view should be based on the departed... they are the ones that want to move on... harsh isn't it?
However, it is good to know that death isn't conscious or sub-conscious decision, that it is if anything a multi-conscious decision and therefore not based on a level of personal attack... rather directional.
obviously you have not read about buddhism...pure relgion without the psychosis of all other relgions..I am secular..but if I had to choose relgion it would be buddhism
Dont risk eternity burning in hell just because you think that you got it all. Just ask god if he is real... If he is real he will tell you that he is real. its as simple as that. If you dont do that then you are afraid of believing that there is a god... May the fear of the lord convict all of you who read in the name of Jesus!!!!
yeah haha i totaly agree with you! religion was created so that people can be less scared of death, and makes them care for the afterlife more than this life because they think this life is too short and isnt worth it, and by being eaten by their God they worshipped, it makes it better???? what???
@Nvoron23 - Life is a trying to find... it does not say what on the label....
Damn if people don't feel good eating meat, don't eat it.
When I wake up and there are no problems I need to face up to... I'll probably be dead, I just hope I achieve what I want to achieve while I have life, I want a seamless connection between the spirit world, and the physical world we can touch, I want to make the connection so they can last and pass forever in harmony.
1:18 - My aunt is a vegeration, & Animals have feelings, I have a dog,and she gets sad,angry,afraid, Its not the same as a human emotion,its a diiferent level but they can feel things to. Have you ever seen an aminal whose owner died and it's like some part of their essence is gone?
@GoosebumpsTV1 - I cycled past a herd of cows yesterday and they looked at me... do you think they knew I was a human? Did they view the hardships of life in the same why I do?
Do cats view their life the way a cyber tooth tiger does? Do we share the same views and level of fear towards life's issues as a caveman?
There are so many levels of thinking on this planet, I'm sure you agree.
No, I'm sure they didn't know u were human, but they know ur not the same as them.
Of course not,they're cows,not humans.
Idk,I'm sure they don't just because cats are different from their ancestors just like we are different from cavemen.
I wasn't saying that animals all think the same,because if they did most animals would get along with each other. I only said they have feelings,again on a different level, but they all feel things. Anger,Hunger, etc.
@mrsparky786 assalamu-alaikum,so your a muslim?thats the same with me,all us muslims know that there is only one god and muhhamad (S.A.W) is his prophet
Yes kids go to hell, where an all merciful, loving omnipotent God allows them to be tortured for all eternity...and kittens too, lots of kittens in hell.
I don't know about you people but life is short, you WILL die one day. You going to waste a day a week sitting in some building listening to some pedophile tell you how you ought to be good? or listen to some guy tell you to blowl yourself up or someone else because someone else doesn't believe as you? Have fun, I'm goin fishin'.
Its a good question, but unfortunately it cannot be answered. But we did not MAKE religion, the Bible was given us by God through man, yes, but He is still the one who made Christianity, just through other men
Animals have feelings, it is biological fact and human is just one of animals. You could ask the same question about other people because you haven't been them.
@SuperMsifiableful - Very true (biological fact brings up all sorts of narrow view points, all I have to say to biological fact is that one day people will say that we were primative because we used to cut each other open to fix medical problems).
But I am a human, and I know I hurt, so I believe others are the same... Animals have different levels of pain and I am sure that the promotion of pain before a conclution of bliss becomes reality is a foolish perspective on heaven on earth.
I'll do you a huge favor and tell you what happens after you're dead. First, some angels beat you in the face with a hammer for a while. Then, some 9 headed snakes from hell and 1 scorpion bite you a whole bunch of times. That's just the start. You'd better convert!
about vegetarianism. I am as an atheist as much as you. The reason for me being vegetarian is purely compassion toward animals. I don't know if they have feelings, but they definitely experience pain. How do I know? I know because they run for their lives when you hurt them. Sure plants feel pain too, but their number of senses are limited to 1 and I have to eat something to survive.
@homospaienism I'm a mostly vegetarian because humans are not evolved to eat a diet rich is meat and fat and cholesterol. If that were not so, I would because growing meat is hugely wasteful of energy. Then there are the horrible environmental effects from chicken and pig production, and the rich opportunities for disease incubation that they bring. We are not evolved to be vegetarians, but a little fish and lots of hummus and chili, who need compassion as an excuse?
@nothingUnrealExists You say "a little fish". Fish are animals and not vegetables. Anyone who eats fish is not vegetarian.
I agree that humans eat way too much meat or carrion as I call it. I am vegetarian because I know animals including fish feel pain and they do have feelings in the same way humans do.
Damn I love eatting meat, it reminds me that I am on the top of the food chain, however I am sure that some God is eating me... I just have the perspective that the ones I love are not aware of this fact.
On that note are you scared of animals?
Are you one of these God fearing individuals?
Do you have a dog or cat?
And most of all... where you live... can you identify the line between heaven and hell, here on earth?
@HALLAMA I am an atheist so there is no god for me to fear. I was brought up Christian(CofE)but I rejected it when I grew up. I now believe in science alone.
I have a dog and cats and they do eat meat.I made a choice to be vegetarian and I respect others if they do choose to eat meat. It is known to science that animals have feelings. Humans are just another animal that happened to evolve intelligence.I live in the UK. I have quite a negative view of the world and I see hell on earth everywhere.
@zyzzyzus Religion is man made, science is man made, time is man made, vegitarianism is man made, in fact everything in our world is man made, and if it wasn't... man... where would you be? Would you be here?
Emotions and views on emotion are our only area of control.
It is up to individuals to be happy or sad, to get pissed off with stuff or just let it wash.
A dog or cat sees death totally differently to us.
Religion will always be irrelevant. God sent no books, because there is no god and these books are all man-made constructs. Today, when one proclaims to have had a conversation with god, we put him in an institution, for his and everyone else's protection. The fact that the Quran has not changed since 600AD simply means that muslims are relics, trying to live in the distant past and to pull everyone down to their primitive level. You may have noticed, that doesn't work on modern people anymore.
Just as your Philips DVD player has an engineer who made it and an instruction manual to understand its function, God (The Engineer of the World) have sent the Torah to Jews, the New/old Testament to Christians & Quran to Muslims to show them how to worship him according to his plan.
So far, the Quran is the only unchanged divine book since 600AD which make more sense out the creator & creation.
@fbelke This would be the same God who created this here creation that you are standing on, stacked top to bottom with evidence that most everything in the those old books is impossible (if you can figure out what they are actually saying between the translations, the political propaganda, and the insane bits. Yeah. I'll take Deism if that's my choicel No one can fake the creation, like the YECs are doing to the bibles now to add the word "Gravity". LOL
@fbelke When I bought my LG DVD player and read the manual, I didn't want to burn and kill Sony, Pioneer, Philips or any other DVD player just because they have different labels on top. And I don't want LG to be the only brand in the world either. Besides - it's pretty stupid to blow yourself up for a fu*king DVD player all while screaming LG is great! Bottom line? DVD player IS IRRELEVANT. The most important thing is THE MOVIE you're playing on it.
this fool is so scared of judgement day hes doing everything in denial. he went way to far. i mean i have nothing against athiest or non-christians but when you offend people its not right. I have friends who are atheist, Muslim, and Jewish, ok? And we dont critique each others belief, we just support ours. SO IN GOD'S NAME SHUT UP AND STICK TO YOUR OWN ATHEIST CRAP....thanks man:)
first you talk about how it's wrong to offend your religious buddies but before that you call this guy a "fool". then you go on about how you and your friends don't critique each other's beliefs. critique is a funny word for you to use, it generally has more intellectual implications than a word like "berate" so it just sounds like you and your friends are religious without reason. you're concerned about joke offense? don't you have someone to convert? in gods name.
yea man thats Christians and a lot of other religions problem, they don't realizes heaven is here on earth. With an attitude like that it explains how they treat the earth so bad.
hah, he went a bit far, we made a time, we did everything, lol, did you create the TIME? DID YOU CREATE THE MATTER? YOU said you gonna know when you die, but it will be too late mate, you just trying to deny your conciousness and existence,
oh man, Christians will make up the most obnoxious excuses for all of these things. That's why they came up with purgatory. I've even heard from a Christian that God probably sends Buddhists to their own Buddhist heaven because they were good people who didn't have the chance to learn about God.
What... are the Buddhists going to taint the Christians so we have to segregate them?
We where given sufficient empirical, historical and material evidence that God exists. We where also given knowledge of moral values (God's Law). We all have broken them at one pint of our lives and we have offended an infinitely worthy being, so we are guilty and worthy of infinite punishment. The only thing that can win our case is a fine of infinite value. Only God costs that much. The solution is found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (Gospel). Believe this and you're saved!
I SAY: "Don't live in fear, believe in the wisdom of GOOD, you will accomplish great things for those you love, which should be everyone and everything without exception... If I said jump off a cliff, would you? No! If I said kill your child, would you? No! So how does this 'empirirical' hierarchy work... do you want to tell me?"
That's silly. It's like sating that the EULA is not valid after being translated. Also, the Apostles in the book of Acts didn't say a magic formula but a MESSAGE of the Good News (which can be coded differently).
The original text does not change (I would love to read it some day) but the translations are not inspired.
You said: 'We where given sufficient empirical, historical and material evidence that God exists.'
You say that the original text does not change and that you would love to read it some day, I wonder if we translated it today would it be different from the last time it was translated?
You say: 'the Apostles in the book of Acts didn't say a magic formula but a MESSAGE of the Good News.' I would like to know which bible you use?
Gospel could have been translated as Goodspell but it wasn't.
Many modern Bible translations lack words and entire verses, so many that it would be akin to throwing away an entire book from the Bible. People make translations that suit their beliefs. The original is objective, because it was handled down unchanged throughout the ages. Go to a synagogue and you will find a preserved OT in Hebrew.
I'm using KJV+ (with Strong's). Goodspell means good news, doesn't it? A good news about Jesus' sacrifice is no magic.
You say: 'Goodspell means good news, doesn't it? A good news about Jesus' sacrifice is no magic.' It depends on which bible you are reading and which books have been left out... I wouldn't go to a synagogue as I don't think religions are that important a subject as time in life without navel gazing! Quabalistic Trees of Life and detail means just that the bible is a basic overview for the masses, it does not mean it is a begin all and end all, to base all at the feet of the KJVs bible does it?
Sorry but I'm having a hard time understanding you. Your ignorant of the Bible because of religions? So much for science then. Did I understood you correct that you believe in cabala? Can you give sufficient empirical, historical or material evidence to support your claims?
You are having a hard time understanding me. "There is no devil but yourself! There is no negative but yourself! There is no Positive or GOD/GOOD, but yourself, and I quite agree and disagree: 'So much for science' or alchemy. Some say food is more important, the problem is: PEOPLE. I have not believed in any religion that says you must or can believe in no other. I'll give you sufficient historical, empirical and material evidence to support this claim in that I am still here alive and kicking.
The thing is, that you have no authority to discern right from wrong. What moral standard are you using? You can say the God of the Bible is immoral, but you're just stating nothing beyond your opinion. Why should I ever take it to account then if it doesn't solve anything?
No-good-or-evil doesn't work in reality. If it did you would have no argument against someone shooting you in the face and robbing you.
There's exclusivity in ideologies due to the law of excluded middle.
If I wrote a book or claimed that I was part of the Creatix would you say that was authority? Wasn't I made in God's likeness? Am I not supposed to find Heaven on Earth? When did I say that the God of your Bible was immoral? If I did, yes I am just stating my opinion and I'd like to point out that to solve something you must also have vision, it is the combination of solution and vision that creates ACTION... It is only actions that help solve things.
Sure, legalism and antinomianism is dangerous, but belief in the one true God isn't. Basically everybody knows some basic moral principles, don't they?
It is - it's always easy to tell things like - god's will, god created that, god that, blah. It's an excuse - a mind handbrake disease cursing brains all over the world. Religion never creates any moral laws - they were created by humans. You don't need religion to stick with them - it's all about you - any christian can kill if he will - any atheist can be smarter and much more helpful for people than any christian if he will. Religion or lack of it has nothing to do about it.
A machine doesn't need its maker to operate properly (it was made that way), but it needs him when its broken, malfunctioning. Likewise, all people where given so-called "inner light", a basic understranding of what's right and wrong, so they can account for what they do. You don't need religion to be good. You need God to heal you. You need Christ to clear your account of sins (like beaking of 10 commandments) comited against an infinitely worthy God. Believe the Gospel and be saved.
It's the other thing that I don't like. Religion is suitable for weak people. You prey - you are healed. Remember that account of sins were created by people for surveillance. What a great thing to say loud - I DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT. Now - back off god blesser.
"Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear."(Isaiah 59:1-2)
You're sayin this in ignorance. You mistake Roman Catholic penance with God's wrath and forgiveness. You do not know that the Gospel is from God. You can still come to Christ and be pardoned from all the wrongs commited against God.
Lord's hand is not shortened when it comes to count the ernings. You can't read my mind, it's not ignorance. It's sarcasm. Sarcasm for every religion from past, nowadays and future. Sarcasm for every closed-minded god blesser. Why? Because I'm tired of your bullshit.
You can't dsitinguish Roman Catholicism from Christianity. For the same reason you've mentioned I left this cult. I didn't want to live in willful rejection of truth. You're the one being close-minded, limiting your perception of reality to your naturalistic little box. You can't be neither a naturalist or an atheist if you're sincere with yourself. An atheist doesn't exist. You're either ignorant or agnostic. Open up your mind or live with it. I'm tired of how closed-minded you are.
You are insane or what? I'm not agnostic as agnostic I shall live on and let the 'god' thing alone, but I'm shure that you are ill and blinded by religion, I deny every possible religion, it's all the same bullshit. You are slave, that much is true. Slave of stupid cartoon. Scio me nihil scire, my friend. You can't be shure about god, but it's pretty easy to see that it's just a fairy tale.
You can't be a honest Atheist because you can't be sure that there is no God. That's only a personal belief of yours and we both know that beliefs are not quite the same thing as reality. No, it's not all the same. It shows your ignorance of theism. I'm 100% sure that other religions are false and I have arguments to back up my claims. You are a slave to your belief system. It limits your thinking. The elite knew what fairy tale to teach at schools to make cattle out of people...
"I'm 100% sure that other religions are false and I have arguments to back up my claims" - Oh, really? I'm shure that there is no god. I'm shure also that your arguments are not enought to claim that god exist at all. Show me your foundation.
There is no other foundation than Jesus Christ. His existence and miracles have been proven historically. The archeological evidence approves both Testaments and the creation account. The deductive logical evidence points to the existence of God, a beginning of time and origin of reality with the multitude of its laws. Also, science proves such things as stretching out the heavens, predestination, worldwide flood, absence of prehistory and more.
Proven, hmmm. I assume that you see that. Jesus, the guy with high rhetoric level, just like Hitler? It's possible that he existed, thats not 100% shure, but it can be true(despite the fact of his hero patterrn fit). He rot, that's all. Science proves few things from a bible - ok - remember King Arthur? His tale was also not 100% bullshit, but few things are historic data indeed. It's not neccesary a god's failure that flood occur. Disasters happen, you know, it's nothing new.
I assume that you're talking about the GLOBAL flood? Otherwise promising not to send such a flood would make God a liar. Besides, everything points to the global nature of the Flood.
As for Jesus, the're simply too little time for any legendary account to pile up. Also people didn't have SMS/e-mail back then and spreading of information would have been limited. Knowing that, 4 Gospel accounts that agree with one another is outstanding. Oh, and look at the evidence of the Resurrection!
Since when you're a prophet that you're foretelling your fate? You know that no evil, God-hating man will stand before God and not be destroyed, scrapped into hell, like an malfunctioning machine? You where made to do good, why do you fail to operate properly? Programmers either scrap that kind of projects or repair them. Come to Christ that your sins may be pardoned and you be healed. Why should you be killed before the king? Repent and live! Why should you burn?
I wholeheartedly agree with you on this one. Good works are not the Savior. People should repent of their sins and believe the Gospel to be saved. The Gospel is the death for the forgiveness of our sins, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is the Lord, Son of God, our prophet, priest and king. EVERYONE, please read and believe 1 Corinthians 15:1-4! Ask God sincerely and He will save you. Seek Him when He still can be found! (Isa 55:6-7) Let the Lord have mercy on the wicked!
If I where you and had my present knowledge, I would not waste time on your god...
Your god will not save you. Only through belief in Jesus Christ's death, burial and resurrection can one be truly saved from the coming wrath and eternal damnation. Repent of your sin, believe the Gospel and have eternal life.
Nice idea. Except few things you mentioned - that's true. But .... decisions, center of life being, who are we living for, praised name and protection - those not only depends on religion. Mind is much more complicated than your empty head can imagine. There are dozens of millions things in your life - it's called life experience, propably something new for you. Life without god is not evil, you know.
You don't need archeology to have trees. Likewise you don't need a religion to have a god. You don't need religion to have parents, but you're still accountable for your actions before them.
You've just proven yourself to be your own god by your morally self-centered talk. I guess you never learn...
Morally self-centered talk? Such a sentence from guy telling me who I am without god. From a guy which can't see nothing more than his god's wisdom. 'No god' is not the same as 'me in the center of life', or 'living for yourself' or ... Argh. How can you be so selfish? You fool!
Well, what are you living for then? What is your god? Work? Family? Money? Pleasure? An addiction? Something else?
Considering the fact that you've cast away God's wisdom, then perhaps your wisdom seems better in your eyes, doesn't it? Can your rebellion be thus called idolatry?
I always thought that a fool is a one that says there is no God (Psalm 14:1-7), that doesn't understand the things of God.
I beg you to spare your own dignity and be willing to listen.
I gave everything to life. It's not simple in fact, but - it's life, nothing more. A bunch of people, feelings, places, thoughts, time, memories, challenges, dreams ... You can't review life in one word. There is plenty of parts that creates it. And money is not the biggest one, thought - you can have a wonderful life without it too. I don't see oyur point. One more time - I have no god. Stop trying to create one for me, it's riddiculus.
"I have no god" can be said by a LaVeyan Satanist. They are Atheists, claiming that Satan is a symbol of self, of inherent carnality. Yet, why do they "worship" self/Satan if it's but a symbol? Are objectivism, individualism, self-indulgence your principles?
The bottom line is that you've broken the 10 commandments (lusting, lying ect) and are headed for hell. By believing in the sufficiency of Christ's death for pardoning of sins, burial and resurrection you can be forgiven and live.
What's the point? Still, I have no god, I don't give a fuck about 10 commandments, I don't care about Jesus - I'm even not 100% sure that he ever existed. Why do you think that I must worship any symbol? You are some kind of wanker with that 'god'/symbol thing? I don't need any symbols.
Now, don't try to tell me next time that there is no evidence for God. From what you've written I see that you simply hate Him and disregard His commandments. That may make you sound intellectual but I will not be convinced, seeing that you make yourself willingly blinded and ignorant to reality itself. Well, I understand, because nobody loves God, unless they've been given this opportunity. You've missed it. Criminals run away from police.
Hmmm. I can't hate god - because I don't believe that he exist at all - there is no proof. I can only hate tales about him, but they are funny to read, so I don't hate them. I can't disregard god's commandments because I don't believe in god, so his commandmends are just a part of a tale about him - still funny to read thought. I hate and disregards believers like you - trying to spread their tale around the globe.
It basically means "Me hating God can't POSSIBLY be true because I don't believe He exists. He cant' POSSIBLY exist, right? He MUST not exist, because I don't like Him at all. I like my own god better. Guess what? I'm going to ridicule your God and equate Him with fairy tales, because I don't believe a thing that you're saying. It's not like I'm looking with all my might for God, but frankly, I don't care! I live my life to myself and I don't need God."
You made few logical mistakes, but please, stop putting word into my mounth - I can write myself. Corrections : I'm not hating god, that thing is not existing at all. Jesus can't POSSIBLY exist, thought, I he exist - he is NOT god. I don't like my own god better, I'm not having any. Guess what? I can't equate god with fairy tales, because the tale itself talk about him. I'm interested with things you are saying, because you are funny.
It's not like I'm looking with all my might for god, because there no such thing, but frankly, if it is - I would care. You can't say that I live for myself, I can life on purpuse or for someone, you never guess. I don't need tales about god. Please - again - stop putting words into my mouth.
Ah, and by ' Jesus can't POSSIBLY exist, thought, If he exist - he is NOT god.' - i mean past. If he existed at all, he wasn't god, just a simple guy (because there is no such a thing as immortality).
You're like a guy that is living in a sewer that says that water in my bottle can't possibly be drinking water, because if it was water then it could only be sewage water.
You're like a blind guy that says that there is no light.
You're like a guy that says that he doesn't pursue education because there is none and he doesn't need one to pay his humongous fine in the court.
In this you've proven that no one is seeking after God.
instead of telling him he's going to hell because you can't stand being wrong, why don't you at least be a good Christian and do what Jesus wants you guys to do and try to help and pray for non believers.
@HALLAMA Ok let's not get caught up on labels here, it doesn't matter what his ideology is. I don't know what your point is exactly, but my point is Edward Current's christian videos are a parody of over-the-top,fundamentalist Christians. If you go to his channel you can see in the background the phrase "ITS A JOKE" repeated over and over. And if you took the time to read the description of his channel you would see that he explains that his christian videos are a joke.
The way i see it, when I die my consiousness dies, me as a person is no longer.. Not any form of a soul or something capable of thought is left.
It is per say the end..
But a part is still left, decomposed or in the air as CO2 being used by vegitation and all other living things, so per say my death is the source of life, and thats good enough for me..
Cool view, and probably the most down to earth I've heard, excuse the pun... but imagine that you were immortal.... living lifes over and over again... and just got bored of the people around you without freaking them out; to 'pass on' to your next new life you just had to stop belief in the things that tied you in to life such as... well some things are more important to some relationships than others. Then you could avoid the depressing worm food angle although compost is great for the garden!
sex with whom you want, when and how you want, and don't donate any money to that religious organization and see what happens. Are you still Catholic or Baptist then? OR are you still Jewish if you don't feel guilt. Then what.
Foreshadow44 5 months ago
Religion developed to breed the natural tendency of children to lie, cheat, steal, cuss, and generally misbehave and so much of religious doctrine is about instilling a sense of guilt. Before we had laws or a way to reinforce, the way to do that is to get you to feel guilty, yet someone born sociopathic never feels guilt. Think about it what is religion if you ignore their doctrine over two things: sex and money. What are you left with. In other words, be whatever religion you want but have...
Foreshadow44 5 months ago
its not bullshit
cuz the bible says so
so does the koran
so... there!!
ProdiKL 8 months ago
1500 People will die of cancer daily. What makes you think god will answer YOUR prayer?
lVlaSsApPeAL 8 months ago
@muhamid. you said and im sure you said it because its in the bible, IF you do not follow the lords law you will perish for eternal life in hell. Anything going against christ is the work of the devil. OK, SO WHAT YO ARE SAYING IS I WORK PAY MY BILLS TREAT PEOPLE WITH RESPECT I TAKE CARE OF MY FAMILY AND JUST DO WHAT I NEED TO DO AS A GOOD CITIZEN ALL WITH OUT BELIEVEING IN GOD. SO THAT MEANS IM GOING TO HELL. CAN YOU REALLY JUSTIFY THAT IS REASONABLE AND FAIR?
lVlaSsApPeAL 8 months ago
Religon isn't a harmless difference, look at how it makes us think we know what's right? Like the religous wars we make hmm?
TechGrenade 10 months ago
oh forgot to add yes some believe children go straight to hell since we are born sinners some say there is what i call a waiting room lol place between heaven and hell,not sure of the specific religions that mean that and also mention Akhenaten if you want to see religious people freak and go crazy he started monotheism before even the Jews.
johndebbra 10 months ago
i agree i always said isnt it odd religion has to be taught and it isn't natural part of life.
johndebbra 10 months ago
@Kooshkoff
Reading the bible logically it says the word of God should not be changed.
I think the bible was a moral code for a geographic location that thought the middle east was all there was of the world.
That events must not change the powers that be.
I think it was the first true demonstration of propoganda.
I don't think it proves there is no God, in fact it puts a spot light of the probability of a creatix of some sort and if it helps some people to give it a name, then all's good!
HALLAMA 10 months ago
@Kooshkoff
There are no published scriptures that talk of 'original sin'!
(If you believe in that sort of thing).
Adam and Eve's sins are not recognised as being inherant in man. (In the bible)
'Sin' is something that does not fit into a moral code of a society.
I like your link between sin and ego... However ego is based on ' self ' and then to believe there is a link between 'self ' and 'sin' (original or not) the outlook is pretty glum for life, unless you have a wild card...
HALLAMA 10 months ago
hahaha
yeah I agree watch Jesus camp you'll puck all the why though.
ConservativeInfidel 10 months ago
fuck religions :)
hmfvunit 11 months ago
@hmfvunit
Yup... I'm with you mate, a load of shite dribble from navel gazers!
HALLAMA 11 months ago
there is only God, be honest with yourself. we all know who God is. and plz don't make fun of ppls faith. but than again you have the free will to do whatever you wish
it is your life do whatever you will with it.
TheWar32 11 months ago
I am a christian and your answer to that is a kid going to go to hell because they dont understand about god, the answer is no because jesus said, let the children come and dont stop them from learning for those that are 1st here on earth will be last in the kingdom of god and those that are last here on earth will be 1st in the kingdom of god.
IF you do not follow the lords law you will perish for eternal life in hell. Anything going against christ is the work of the devil.
muhamid14 1 year ago
@muhamid14
If being a christian makes you feel better... that is great.
I have seen situations that question religion, even in the very young... what do you call a child?
Where is the line and when is it crossed in the eyes of God?
Who are you or I to judge?
Hallamorhalwillfree 1 year ago
@muhamid14 The bible is written by man, as much as religion and Jesus. That's another thing. Stop using the bible to validate your beliefs. Give us some facts. PROVE IT or shut up.
kissmiasski813 11 months ago
@muhamid14 your god is a bigot and a douche bag, i will slay him and then string your intestines upon the gates of heaven... And cook your mass over the flames of hell, while sipping tea with the delectably funny satan. SO MOTE IT BE
SpecterWSA 11 months ago
@muhamid14
I am christian too. but when he says childre comes first. how come in duetoronomy:21 verses 18-20, why does it say that if you disobey your parents you will be stoned?
FREAKOZOID114 11 months ago
@FREAKOZOID114
Funny!
I think the scriptures that have been left out of the bible should be replaced.
HALLAMA 10 months ago
@muhamid14 YOU ARE SO F-ING BRAINWASHED IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY! Stop it already, jeez this is the 21 century, do you honestly think that the bible is true. It's such bullshit.
Juillardl 9 months ago
@muhamid14 If you do believe that children are innocent in the eyes of God, wouldn't it be reasonable to suggest that abortion doctors are winning more souls for Christ than Christian missionaries? Why not bomb a pre-school? That would surely win a lot of souls for Christ.
If you do not believe that children are innocent in the eyes of God, wouldn't it be fair to suggest that God is a monster? Do you see the conundrum here?
twistedfocus100 8 months ago
@muhamid14 i got an even better one. If you believe that your eternal life is more important than your physical life and you believe that all children are innocent in the eyes of God, why not kill your children so they are guaranteed to go to heaven?
twistedfocus100 8 months ago
@muhamid14 If you were educated enough to understand your own viewpoint, you would realise that you are are in fact an ugly facist. What you're saying is "believe what I beleive or your going to hell". That's an ugly and ignorant viewpoint - it gives the impression that you have, as a man, the mental aptitude of a spoilt child.
masala505 8 months ago
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@muhamid14 you are a moron. what proof do you have that your religion is true? NONE!
so, go fuck yourself and stop spreading lies.
MoralRapist 3 months ago
"Christianism" lol
Minkar 1 year ago 9
@Minkar
:o)
Hallamorhalwillfree 1 year ago
In Islam, All Kids are Muslims! Pure and go to heaven! Your body is even Muslim but you choose to keep your soul pure or you choose to do evil with it!! So if you stay innocent like children, you will enter heaven even if you did not do the prayers of Muslims. Also, all things in the world are Muslims because they follow the laws of physics which God put in our world. It is only the human souls that do not use the laws of God so they need prophets to guide them. Be kind if u respond! Thanx
salyha1 1 year ago
@salyha1 Besides the Qur'an saying so, what physical, observable, obtainable evidence do you have that suggests that Allah = physics? Or that every person is born Muslim? A newborn has no ability to speak so how have Muslims PROVEN that they already believe in Allah? And if they do why do all children fail to mention his name when they learn to speak? They are still young and innocent as you say.
antigravity000 11 months ago
@antigravity000 The word Allah in arabic means the Creator -
In Islam, the Creator made "physics" and since we are born with no knowledge of physics, the Creator talks to the best moral people through out history to be prophets to teach the people how to live in harmony with the physics around them till they can better understand it. Jesus was a physical miracle to remind humans that God creats physics and knows how to break its laws- virgin Mary or stones into birds
salyha1 11 months ago
@salyha1 Does that mean all physicists are prophets? ;) It takes more persuading to believe in something with no clear evidence. Also, you didn't answer any of my questions and it seems that no one else can either.
antigravity000 11 months ago
@antigravity000 no, not all physicists were prophets but i would have to say that all prophets were physicists as god gave them the knowledge of physics to use as miracles to convince humanity of the need to stay innocent to enter heaven. now, regarding seeing the creator,He said that our physical bodies cannot stand the energy of seeing him as a mountain collapsed when He appeared infront of it in the past. in islam, the creator says he is the light of the skies and earth.
salyha1 11 months ago
What are you talking about?
anytime851 1 year ago
@anytime851
It is a video that's a reply to Edward Current's comment about converting to every religion.
Hallamorhalwillfree 1 year ago
I'm sorry but your answers are irrelivent. you'are alive now and when you die your physical body becomes usless and inanimate. have you ever seen a dead person. If not then go to the morgue and take a look. The corps look like dolls, and maybe then you'll realize that what made it alive is the existence of the soul. If that dose not lead to the conclusion that someone had placed this soul inside the body to make it alive then I don't know what else to say. You still didn't answer my questions.
anytime851 1 year ago
@anytime851
If my answer is irrelivent I am pushing it up hill making you see the world in any other way than the way you see in.
Life is big... Life is different...
People die... they leave what looks like a husk for those left behind, those that cared for them and believed in them.
If you can find love in your life then everything will be alright.
Find out about atoms and strange quarks and then tell me that you understand that the dead exist in a physical state.
HALLAMA 1 year ago
@anytime851
Ohhh the fallacies, they burn
atheism616 1 year ago
@atheism616
If you are talking about 'reason' which is the basis of 'fallacies' and in the same sentance 'burning', which I presume is metaphorical, I don't understand where you are, or where you are going!
Religion can be seen as exploiting emotional triggers and can be viewed as a fallacy, everyone should be allowed to view things in the ways they feel are right, good luck to them, afterall we should live life as if we only have one... Correct?
Hallamorhalwillfree 1 year ago
@Hallamorhalwillfree
I was essentially saying the comment contained so many logical fallacies that it was almost physically painful, you really didn't get that? I mean looking at a corpse and saying it must have had a soul in it is fallacious in the extreme, it's asinine. People are of course entitled to their belief, however beliefs affect actions, it is when people make stupid choices because of their religion that I'm opposed to religion and other fairytales.
atheism616 1 year ago
@anytime851 nope..you think your body will funtion forever?as you get old you get wrinkly,brain cells die off,or some diesease caused their main function(brain or heart)to stop working and poof theyre dead
dangkhoa4 1 year ago
If we were created by a coincidence through evolution as Atheists claim, then how come we stopped evolving into superior beings? and how com when we die our remains do not assemble with the elements of earth to evolve into somthing else or another human. and why do we even die if there was no objective to our existence and there is no God? How come we are not immortal? and how come no Athiest can answer any of the preceding questions?
anytime851 1 year ago
@anytime851
I'm no Athiest... but I have enough imagination to be able to answer your questions.
You say: 'how come we stopped evolving into superior beings?'
Who said we stopped?
A blade of grass grows constantly, however you don't see it get longer,wider.
This is a timing issue, not a religious one.
HALLAMA 1 year ago
@anytime851
You say: 'how com when we die our remains do not assemble with the elements of earth to evolve into somthing else or another human. And why do we even die if there was no objective to our existence and there is no God?'
OK, you lost me here a little... We do not reassemble spiritually however we do physically; once again it's a timing issue.
HALLAMA 1 year ago
@anytime851
You say: 'How come we are not immortal?'
We are immortal, your body learns enough and then simply gives up.
(Review your perception of evolution and reincarnation).
There are some home truths in the matter that we are natural beings and need to develop, death of friends and family is a natural progression and it is those left behind who feel more pain.
HALLAMA 1 year ago
@anytime851
The view should be based on the departed... they are the ones that want to move on... harsh isn't it?
However, it is good to know that death isn't conscious or sub-conscious decision, that it is if anything a multi-conscious decision and therefore not based on a level of personal attack... rather directional.
HALLAMA 1 year ago
obviously you have not read about buddhism...pure relgion without the psychosis of all other relgions..I am secular..but if I had to choose relgion it would be buddhism
hrantnano 1 year ago
@hrantnano
Why did you post this to me?
I don't use words like secular so I am your wrong market...
Good luck though mate, all the best with those atoms!
HALLAMA 1 year ago
@hrantnano couldn't agree more
ratmrulesyou1 1 year ago
@hrantnano Buddhism doesn't believe in God.
RayKalmNiam 1 year ago
Meat patty for Zeus or crabby patty for Spongebob?
JEKAZOL 1 year ago
Dont risk eternity burning in hell just because you think that you got it all. Just ask god if he is real... If he is real he will tell you that he is real. its as simple as that. If you dont do that then you are afraid of believing that there is a god... May the fear of the lord convict all of you who read in the name of Jesus!!!!
LouisKiko 1 year ago
yeah haha i totaly agree with you! religion was created so that people can be less scared of death, and makes them care for the afterlife more than this life because they think this life is too short and isnt worth it, and by being eaten by their God they worshipped, it makes it better???? what???
Nvoron23 1 year ago
@Nvoron23 - Life is a trying to find... it does not say what on the label....
Damn if people don't feel good eating meat, don't eat it.
When I wake up and there are no problems I need to face up to... I'll probably be dead, I just hope I achieve what I want to achieve while I have life, I want a seamless connection between the spirit world, and the physical world we can touch, I want to make the connection so they can last and pass forever in harmony.
HALLAMA 1 year ago
Disagree and Agree - 0:56 Time no,Religion yes.
1:18 - My aunt is a vegeration, & Animals have feelings, I have a dog,and she gets sad,angry,afraid, Its not the same as a human emotion,its a diiferent level but they can feel things to. Have you ever seen an aminal whose owner died and it's like some part of their essence is gone?
GoosebumpsTV1 1 year ago
@GoosebumpsTV1 - I cycled past a herd of cows yesterday and they looked at me... do you think they knew I was a human? Did they view the hardships of life in the same why I do?
Do cats view their life the way a cyber tooth tiger does? Do we share the same views and level of fear towards life's issues as a caveman?
There are so many levels of thinking on this planet, I'm sure you agree.
Do we presume animals all think the same?
What reference point do we come up with for them?
HALLAMA 1 year ago
@HALLAMA
No, I'm sure they didn't know u were human, but they know ur not the same as them.
Of course not,they're cows,not humans.
Idk,I'm sure they don't just because cats are different from their ancestors just like we are different from cavemen.
I wasn't saying that animals all think the same,because if they did most animals would get along with each other. I only said they have feelings,again on a different level, but they all feel things. Anger,Hunger, etc.
GoosebumpsTV1 1 year ago
Is it possible that a country or a small state is ruled by two or more presidents(Kings)???
I know your answer is NO...
Than how can a universe b ruled by two or more gods???
almost 70% people in this world believe that their is just One GOD...
That is ALLAH, some say it's GOD...
Some say it's LORD...
But There is only ALLAH(swt)
mrsparky786 1 year ago
@mrsparky786
What ever mate... sounds like you really put some thought into that!
I spent a long time in reasearch and I think it's 98% of all statistics that are made up on the spur of the moment.
Hallamorhalwillfree 11 months ago 8
@mrsparky786 I think what he meant is that he is not sure about who the only God of the universe is. It may be Allah or God or have other names. Lol
mscdancer 10 months ago
@mscdancer
Sometimes as humans we need a mundane view to springboard into the future, human conversation is the route of society. (Let's keep it pure).
If we presume we understand everything we will not progress. (hence the saying presumption is the mother of all phuck ups).
This is why asking questions is not a bad thing to do.
No problem will ever be so insurmountable that it will not be overcome by an open mind and imagination
HALLAMA 10 months ago
@mrsparky786 assalamu-alaikum,so your a muslim?thats the same with me,all us muslims know that there is only one god and muhhamad (S.A.W) is his prophet
darkutaville 2 weeks ago
Yes kids go to hell, where an all merciful, loving omnipotent God allows them to be tortured for all eternity...and kittens too, lots of kittens in hell.
I don't know about you people but life is short, you WILL die one day. You going to waste a day a week sitting in some building listening to some pedophile tell you how you ought to be good? or listen to some guy tell you to blowl yourself up or someone else because someone else doesn't believe as you? Have fun, I'm goin fishin'.
FzSBLACKMAGICK 1 year ago
Its a good question, but unfortunately it cannot be answered. But we did not MAKE religion, the Bible was given us by God through man, yes, but He is still the one who made Christianity, just through other men
kitfisto9990 1 year ago
your a complete dumb ass
hussbro 1 year ago
"Christianism"? Try "Christianity". Good message, I'm just a pedant. Sorry. And keep spreading the word.
evilshy66 1 year ago
Animals have feelings, it is biological fact and human is just one of animals. You could ask the same question about other people because you haven't been them.
SuperMsifiableful 1 year ago
@SuperMsifiableful - Very true (biological fact brings up all sorts of narrow view points, all I have to say to biological fact is that one day people will say that we were primative because we used to cut each other open to fix medical problems).
But I am a human, and I know I hurt, so I believe others are the same... Animals have different levels of pain and I am sure that the promotion of pain before a conclution of bliss becomes reality is a foolish perspective on heaven on earth.
HALLAMA 1 year ago
I'll do you a huge favor and tell you what happens after you're dead. First, some angels beat you in the face with a hammer for a while. Then, some 9 headed snakes from hell and 1 scorpion bite you a whole bunch of times. That's just the start. You'd better convert!
CMO999 1 year ago
@CMO999 - Fag!
HALLAMA 1 year ago
@HALLAMA That's a um.. strange response to my comment. I can only speculate about what your angle is with that.
CMO999 1 year ago
about vegetarianism. I am as an atheist as much as you. The reason for me being vegetarian is purely compassion toward animals. I don't know if they have feelings, but they definitely experience pain. How do I know? I know because they run for their lives when you hurt them. Sure plants feel pain too, but their number of senses are limited to 1 and I have to eat something to survive.
homospaienism 1 year ago
@homospaienism I'm a mostly vegetarian because humans are not evolved to eat a diet rich is meat and fat and cholesterol. If that were not so, I would because growing meat is hugely wasteful of energy. Then there are the horrible environmental effects from chicken and pig production, and the rich opportunities for disease incubation that they bring. We are not evolved to be vegetarians, but a little fish and lots of hummus and chili, who need compassion as an excuse?
nothingUnrealExists 1 year ago
@nothingUnrealExists You say "a little fish". Fish are animals and not vegetables. Anyone who eats fish is not vegetarian.
I agree that humans eat way too much meat or carrion as I call it. I am vegetarian because I know animals including fish feel pain and they do have feelings in the same way humans do.
After all we are all animals too.
zyzzyzus 1 year ago
@zyzzyzus - Man, you must hate food!
Damn I love eatting meat, it reminds me that I am on the top of the food chain, however I am sure that some God is eating me... I just have the perspective that the ones I love are not aware of this fact.
On that note are you scared of animals?
Are you one of these God fearing individuals?
Do you have a dog or cat?
And most of all... where you live... can you identify the line between heaven and hell, here on earth?
HALLAMA 1 year ago
@HALLAMA I am an atheist so there is no god for me to fear. I was brought up Christian(CofE)but I rejected it when I grew up. I now believe in science alone.
I have a dog and cats and they do eat meat.I made a choice to be vegetarian and I respect others if they do choose to eat meat. It is known to science that animals have feelings. Humans are just another animal that happened to evolve intelligence.I live in the UK. I have quite a negative view of the world and I see hell on earth everywhere.
zyzzyzus 1 year ago
@zyzzyzus Religion is man made, science is man made, time is man made, vegitarianism is man made, in fact everything in our world is man made, and if it wasn't... man... where would you be? Would you be here?
Emotions and views on emotion are our only area of control.
It is up to individuals to be happy or sad, to get pissed off with stuff or just let it wash.
A dog or cat sees death totally differently to us.
If you see Hell everywhere, investigate change.
Everything else is small fry.
HALLAMA 1 year ago
I don't think we made time, religion yes.
homospaienism 1 year ago
Religion will always be irrelevant. God sent no books, because there is no god and these books are all man-made constructs. Today, when one proclaims to have had a conversation with god, we put him in an institution, for his and everyone else's protection. The fact that the Quran has not changed since 600AD simply means that muslims are relics, trying to live in the distant past and to pull everyone down to their primitive level. You may have noticed, that doesn't work on modern people anymore.
mikespulligan 2 years ago
mikespulligan, I wish religion was irrelevant!
XMrAverageX 2 years ago
I hope your child & family have the best.
I just have to say that religion is RELEVANT.
Just as your Philips DVD player has an engineer who made it and an instruction manual to understand its function, God (The Engineer of the World) have sent the Torah to Jews, the New/old Testament to Christians & Quran to Muslims to show them how to worship him according to his plan.
So far, the Quran is the only unchanged divine book since 600AD which make more sense out the creator & creation.
fbelke 2 years ago
@fbelke This would be the same God who created this here creation that you are standing on, stacked top to bottom with evidence that most everything in the those old books is impossible (if you can figure out what they are actually saying between the translations, the political propaganda, and the insane bits. Yeah. I'll take Deism if that's my choicel No one can fake the creation, like the YECs are doing to the bibles now to add the word "Gravity". LOL
nothingUnrealExists 1 year ago
@fbelke When I bought my LG DVD player and read the manual, I didn't want to burn and kill Sony, Pioneer, Philips or any other DVD player just because they have different labels on top. And I don't want LG to be the only brand in the world either. Besides - it's pretty stupid to blow yourself up for a fu*king DVD player all while screaming LG is great! Bottom line? DVD player IS IRRELEVANT. The most important thing is THE MOVIE you're playing on it.
MegaCoolJohnny 1 year ago 8
@MegaCoolJohnny Very cool Johny, love your perspective man.
Got to say it gives me faith that people like yourself exists.
HALLAMA 1 year ago
@MegaCoolJohnny nicely said man i respect you
dangkhoa4 1 year ago
All Children go to Heaven according to Muslim beliefs.
fbelke 2 years ago
this fool is so scared of judgement day hes doing everything in denial. he went way to far. i mean i have nothing against athiest or non-christians but when you offend people its not right. I have friends who are atheist, Muslim, and Jewish, ok? And we dont critique each others belief, we just support ours. SO IN GOD'S NAME SHUT UP AND STICK TO YOUR OWN ATHEIST CRAP....thanks man:)
RaeAnnYellow 2 years ago
@RaeAnnYellow
first you talk about how it's wrong to offend your religious buddies but before that you call this guy a "fool". then you go on about how you and your friends don't critique each other's beliefs. critique is a funny word for you to use, it generally has more intellectual implications than a word like "berate" so it just sounds like you and your friends are religious without reason. you're concerned about joke offense? don't you have someone to convert? in gods name.
Timmy923 2 years ago
yea man thats Christians and a lot of other religions problem, they don't realizes heaven is here on earth. With an attitude like that it explains how they treat the earth so bad.
deaftuch 2 years ago
hah, he went a bit far, we made a time, we did everything, lol, did you create the TIME? DID YOU CREATE THE MATTER? YOU said you gonna know when you die, but it will be too late mate, you just trying to deny your conciousness and existence,
Halkipalas 2 years ago
oh man, Christians will make up the most obnoxious excuses for all of these things. That's why they came up with purgatory. I've even heard from a Christian that God probably sends Buddhists to their own Buddhist heaven because they were good people who didn't have the chance to learn about God.
What... are the Buddhists going to taint the Christians so we have to segregate them?
BeatNick13 2 years ago 11
Taint Christians, that's funny, I love it mate, we're on the same wave length, guess we're finding Heaven on earth.
HALLAMA 2 years ago
well there is actually an age metioned in the Bible, and Jesus can not come back until all the world has heard of his word.
AALASKO54 2 years ago
completely agreed what you said
you are gonna make a hell of a good father :)
god bless you!
msgol1 2 years ago
Cheers mate, good to know there are people with flexible minds that can think outside the circle.
Getting a little worried about it for a moment, thought no-one had imagination!
HALLAMA 2 years ago
The situation is this.
We where given sufficient empirical, historical and material evidence that God exists. We where also given knowledge of moral values (God's Law). We all have broken them at one pint of our lives and we have offended an infinitely worthy being, so we are guilty and worthy of infinite punishment. The only thing that can win our case is a fine of infinite value. Only God costs that much. The solution is found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (Gospel). Believe this and you're saved!
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
Beginning of the Bible it says:
'and his word shall not be changed.'
1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
Bible was translated right? =
Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
I SAY: "Don't live in fear, believe in the wisdom of GOOD, you will accomplish great things for those you love, which should be everyone and everything without exception... If I said jump off a cliff, would you? No! If I said kill your child, would you? No! So how does this 'empirirical' hierarchy work... do you want to tell me?"
HALLAMA 2 years ago
@HALLAMA
That's silly. It's like sating that the EULA is not valid after being translated. Also, the Apostles in the book of Acts didn't say a magic formula but a MESSAGE of the Good News (which can be coded differently).
The original text does not change (I would love to read it some day) but the translations are not inspired.
The 1st verse was Matthew 24:35, right?
The 2nd verse you've distorted, was it Philippians 4:13?
What kind of Bible are you using?
I don't get your last sentence, sorry.
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
You said: 'We where given sufficient empirical, historical and material evidence that God exists.'
You say that the original text does not change and that you would love to read it some day, I wonder if we translated it today would it be different from the last time it was translated?
You say: 'the Apostles in the book of Acts didn't say a magic formula but a MESSAGE of the Good News.' I would like to know which bible you use?
Gospel could have been translated as Goodspell but it wasn't.
HALLAMA 2 years ago
@HALLAMA
Many modern Bible translations lack words and entire verses, so many that it would be akin to throwing away an entire book from the Bible. People make translations that suit their beliefs. The original is objective, because it was handled down unchanged throughout the ages. Go to a synagogue and you will find a preserved OT in Hebrew.
I'm using KJV+ (with Strong's). Goodspell means good news, doesn't it? A good news about Jesus' sacrifice is no magic.
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
You say: 'Goodspell means good news, doesn't it? A good news about Jesus' sacrifice is no magic.' It depends on which bible you are reading and which books have been left out... I wouldn't go to a synagogue as I don't think religions are that important a subject as time in life without navel gazing! Quabalistic Trees of Life and detail means just that the bible is a basic overview for the masses, it does not mean it is a begin all and end all, to base all at the feet of the KJVs bible does it?
HALLAMA 2 years ago
@HALLAMA
Sorry but I'm having a hard time understanding you. Your ignorant of the Bible because of religions? So much for science then. Did I understood you correct that you believe in cabala? Can you give sufficient empirical, historical or material evidence to support your claims?
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
You are having a hard time understanding me. "There is no devil but yourself! There is no negative but yourself! There is no Positive or GOD/GOOD, but yourself, and I quite agree and disagree: 'So much for science' or alchemy. Some say food is more important, the problem is: PEOPLE. I have not believed in any religion that says you must or can believe in no other. I'll give you sufficient historical, empirical and material evidence to support this claim in that I am still here alive and kicking.
HALLAMA 2 years ago
@HALLAMA
The thing is, that you have no authority to discern right from wrong. What moral standard are you using? You can say the God of the Bible is immoral, but you're just stating nothing beyond your opinion. Why should I ever take it to account then if it doesn't solve anything?
No-good-or-evil doesn't work in reality. If it did you would have no argument against someone shooting you in the face and robbing you.
There's exclusivity in ideologies due to the law of excluded middle.
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
If I wrote a book or claimed that I was part of the Creatix would you say that was authority? Wasn't I made in God's likeness? Am I not supposed to find Heaven on Earth? When did I say that the God of your Bible was immoral? If I did, yes I am just stating my opinion and I'd like to point out that to solve something you must also have vision, it is the combination of solution and vision that creates ACTION... It is only actions that help solve things.
Who said 'the law of excluded middle.' ?
HALLAMA 2 years ago
Religion is damn nice disease to watch.
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
@Kubakpsv
"Religion is damn nice disease to watch."
It depends how do you define religion.
Sure, legalism and antinomianism is dangerous, but belief in the one true God isn't. Basically everybody knows some basic moral principles, don't they?
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
It is - it's always easy to tell things like - god's will, god created that, god that, blah. It's an excuse - a mind handbrake disease cursing brains all over the world. Religion never creates any moral laws - they were created by humans. You don't need religion to stick with them - it's all about you - any christian can kill if he will - any atheist can be smarter and much more helpful for people than any christian if he will. Religion or lack of it has nothing to do about it.
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
@Kubakpsv
A machine doesn't need its maker to operate properly (it was made that way), but it needs him when its broken, malfunctioning. Likewise, all people where given so-called "inner light", a basic understranding of what's right and wrong, so they can account for what they do. You don't need religion to be good. You need God to heal you. You need Christ to clear your account of sins (like beaking of 10 commandments) comited against an infinitely worthy God. Believe the Gospel and be saved.
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
It's the other thing that I don't like. Religion is suitable for weak people. You prey - you are healed. Remember that account of sins were created by people for surveillance. What a great thing to say loud - I DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT. Now - back off god blesser.
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
@Kubakpsv
"Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear."(Isaiah 59:1-2)
You're sayin this in ignorance. You mistake Roman Catholic penance with God's wrath and forgiveness. You do not know that the Gospel is from God. You can still come to Christ and be pardoned from all the wrongs commited against God.
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
Lord's hand is not shortened when it comes to count the ernings. You can't read my mind, it's not ignorance. It's sarcasm. Sarcasm for every religion from past, nowadays and future. Sarcasm for every closed-minded god blesser. Why? Because I'm tired of your bullshit.
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
@Kubakspv
You can't dsitinguish Roman Catholicism from Christianity. For the same reason you've mentioned I left this cult. I didn't want to live in willful rejection of truth. You're the one being close-minded, limiting your perception of reality to your naturalistic little box. You can't be neither a naturalist or an atheist if you're sincere with yourself. An atheist doesn't exist. You're either ignorant or agnostic. Open up your mind or live with it. I'm tired of how closed-minded you are.
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
You are insane or what? I'm not agnostic as agnostic I shall live on and let the 'god' thing alone, but I'm shure that you are ill and blinded by religion, I deny every possible religion, it's all the same bullshit. You are slave, that much is true. Slave of stupid cartoon. Scio me nihil scire, my friend. You can't be shure about god, but it's pretty easy to see that it's just a fairy tale.
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
@Kubakpsv
You can't be a honest Atheist because you can't be sure that there is no God. That's only a personal belief of yours and we both know that beliefs are not quite the same thing as reality. No, it's not all the same. It shows your ignorance of theism. I'm 100% sure that other religions are false and I have arguments to back up my claims. You are a slave to your belief system. It limits your thinking. The elite knew what fairy tale to teach at schools to make cattle out of people...
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
"I'm 100% sure that other religions are false and I have arguments to back up my claims" - Oh, really? I'm shure that there is no god. I'm shure also that your arguments are not enought to claim that god exist at all. Show me your foundation.
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
@Kubakpsv
There is no other foundation than Jesus Christ. His existence and miracles have been proven historically. The archeological evidence approves both Testaments and the creation account. The deductive logical evidence points to the existence of God, a beginning of time and origin of reality with the multitude of its laws. Also, science proves such things as stretching out the heavens, predestination, worldwide flood, absence of prehistory and more.
One must be willing to look for God.
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
Proven, hmmm. I assume that you see that. Jesus, the guy with high rhetoric level, just like Hitler? It's possible that he existed, thats not 100% shure, but it can be true(despite the fact of his hero patterrn fit). He rot, that's all. Science proves few things from a bible - ok - remember King Arthur? His tale was also not 100% bullshit, but few things are historic data indeed. It's not neccesary a god's failure that flood occur. Disasters happen, you know, it's nothing new.
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
@Kubakpsv
I assume that you're talking about the GLOBAL flood? Otherwise promising not to send such a flood would make God a liar. Besides, everything points to the global nature of the Flood.
As for Jesus, the're simply too little time for any legendary account to pile up. Also people didn't have SMS/e-mail back then and spreading of information would have been limited. Knowing that, 4 Gospel accounts that agree with one another is outstanding. Oh, and look at the evidence of the Resurrection!
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
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Ahhh, I forgot. "Those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me." - Jesus (Luke 19:27)
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
@Kubakpsv
As for Luke 19:27...
Since when you're a prophet that you're foretelling your fate? You know that no evil, God-hating man will stand before God and not be destroyed, scrapped into hell, like an malfunctioning machine? You where made to do good, why do you fail to operate properly? Programmers either scrap that kind of projects or repair them. Come to Christ that your sins may be pardoned and you be healed. Why should you be killed before the king? Repent and live! Why should you burn?
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
well there is a big difference btwn Roman Catholicism and Christianity.
1) Catholics still obtain the Priest-hood, which Jesus fulfilled that when he ascended.
2)They pray to saints, thats idolatry, and Jesus said he is the only way to the father.
3)It is a cobination of Paganism and Christianity. Roman Emperor, Constantine combinded them.
AALASKO54 2 years ago
@AALASKO54
I wholeheartedly agree with you on this one. Good works are not the Savior. People should repent of their sins and believe the Gospel to be saved. The Gospel is the death for the forgiveness of our sins, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is the Lord, Son of God, our prophet, priest and king. EVERYONE, please read and believe 1 Corinthians 15:1-4! Ask God sincerely and He will save you. Seek Him when He still can be found! (Isa 55:6-7) Let the Lord have mercy on the wicked!
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
I'm bored, good luck wasting time on god ;)
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
@Kubakpsv
If I where you and had my present knowledge, I would not waste time on your god...
Your god will not save you. Only through belief in Jesus Christ's death, burial and resurrection can one be truly saved from the coming wrath and eternal damnation. Repent of your sin, believe the Gospel and have eternal life.
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
I don't have any god. WTF?
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
@Kubakpsv
"I don't have any god"
By whose standards are you making decisions? Your own.
Who is the center of your life? You.
Who are you living for? Yourself.
Who's name do you want to be praised and be known? Yours.
Who's interests are you willing to protect the most? Your own.
By abandoning God, you've become your own god or anything you are enslaved to (like drugs, porn, smokes, alcohol ect.).
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
Nice idea. Except few things you mentioned - that's true. But .... decisions, center of life being, who are we living for, praised name and protection - those not only depends on religion. Mind is much more complicated than your empty head can imagine. There are dozens of millions things in your life - it's called life experience, propably something new for you. Life without god is not evil, you know.
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
@Kubakpsv
You don't need archeology to have trees. Likewise you don't need a religion to have a god. You don't need religion to have parents, but you're still accountable for your actions before them.
You've just proven yourself to be your own god by your morally self-centered talk. I guess you never learn...
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
Morally self-centered talk? Such a sentence from guy telling me who I am without god. From a guy which can't see nothing more than his god's wisdom. 'No god' is not the same as 'me in the center of life', or 'living for yourself' or ... Argh. How can you be so selfish? You fool!
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
@Kubakpsv
Well, what are you living for then? What is your god? Work? Family? Money? Pleasure? An addiction? Something else?
Considering the fact that you've cast away God's wisdom, then perhaps your wisdom seems better in your eyes, doesn't it? Can your rebellion be thus called idolatry?
I always thought that a fool is a one that says there is no God (Psalm 14:1-7), that doesn't understand the things of God.
I beg you to spare your own dignity and be willing to listen.
Who gave you everything?
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
I gave everything to life. It's not simple in fact, but - it's life, nothing more. A bunch of people, feelings, places, thoughts, time, memories, challenges, dreams ... You can't review life in one word. There is plenty of parts that creates it. And money is not the biggest one, thought - you can have a wonderful life without it too. I don't see oyur point. One more time - I have no god. Stop trying to create one for me, it's riddiculus.
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
@Kubakpsv
"I have no god" can be said by a LaVeyan Satanist. They are Atheists, claiming that Satan is a symbol of self, of inherent carnality. Yet, why do they "worship" self/Satan if it's but a symbol? Are objectivism, individualism, self-indulgence your principles?
The bottom line is that you've broken the 10 commandments (lusting, lying ect) and are headed for hell. By believing in the sufficiency of Christ's death for pardoning of sins, burial and resurrection you can be forgiven and live.
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
What's the point? Still, I have no god, I don't give a fuck about 10 commandments, I don't care about Jesus - I'm even not 100% sure that he ever existed. Why do you think that I must worship any symbol? You are some kind of wanker with that 'god'/symbol thing? I don't need any symbols.
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
@Kubakpsv
That's it, you don't understand a thing!
Now, don't try to tell me next time that there is no evidence for God. From what you've written I see that you simply hate Him and disregard His commandments. That may make you sound intellectual but I will not be convinced, seeing that you make yourself willingly blinded and ignorant to reality itself. Well, I understand, because nobody loves God, unless they've been given this opportunity. You've missed it. Criminals run away from police.
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
Hmmm. I can't hate god - because I don't believe that he exist at all - there is no proof. I can only hate tales about him, but they are funny to read, so I don't hate them. I can't disregard god's commandments because I don't believe in god, so his commandmends are just a part of a tale about him - still funny to read thought. I hate and disregards believers like you - trying to spread their tale around the globe.
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
@Kubakpsv
LOL, you're playing with me now.
It basically means "Me hating God can't POSSIBLY be true because I don't believe He exists. He cant' POSSIBLY exist, right? He MUST not exist, because I don't like Him at all. I like my own god better. Guess what? I'm going to ridicule your God and equate Him with fairy tales, because I don't believe a thing that you're saying. It's not like I'm looking with all my might for God, but frankly, I don't care! I live my life to myself and I don't need God."
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
You made few logical mistakes, but please, stop putting word into my mounth - I can write myself. Corrections : I'm not hating god, that thing is not existing at all. Jesus can't POSSIBLY exist, thought, I he exist - he is NOT god. I don't like my own god better, I'm not having any. Guess what? I can't equate god with fairy tales, because the tale itself talk about him. I'm interested with things you are saying, because you are funny.
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
It's not like I'm looking with all my might for god, because there no such thing, but frankly, if it is - I would care. You can't say that I live for myself, I can life on purpuse or for someone, you never guess. I don't need tales about god. Please - again - stop putting words into my mouth.
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
Ah, and by ' Jesus can't POSSIBLY exist, thought, If he exist - he is NOT god.' - i mean past. If he existed at all, he wasn't god, just a simple guy (because there is no such a thing as immortality).
Kubakpsv 2 years ago
@Kubakpsv
You're like a guy that is living in a sewer that says that water in my bottle can't possibly be drinking water, because if it was water then it could only be sewage water.
You're like a blind guy that says that there is no light.
You're like a guy that says that he doesn't pursue education because there is none and he doesn't need one to pay his humongous fine in the court.
In this you've proven that no one is seeking after God.
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
instead of telling him he's going to hell because you can't stand being wrong, why don't you at least be a good Christian and do what Jesus wants you guys to do and try to help and pray for non believers.
BeatNick13 2 years ago
Classic!
HALLAMA 2 years ago
@Kubakpsv
your right you dont need any symbols you need help:)
RaeAnnYellow 2 years ago
@Kubakpsv haha that was good
RaeAnnYellow 2 years ago
No, satanists worship Satan. They really think he is out there in some other dimension.
Fas6pa 2 years ago
@Fas6pa
You don't have to do much to worship just about anything. Devoting too much time to something is enough. -.-
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
What about music? Should that be classed as a religion?
HALLAMA 2 years ago
Not all satanists worship satan worship satan, thats occultist satanism. Most forms of satanism are more philosophical than religious.
jakemanns 2 years ago
read the Bible before you offer up any facts.
cajn05 2 years ago
I have read it.
Which copy are you refering to... King James I presume?
Let me quote something to you: 'In the beginning was the word and the word was God and the word was with God and his word shall not be changed.'
Let me ask you when you translate something do you 'change it' or are you just bending it... telling a 'white lie' so to speak?
HALLAMA 2 years ago
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HALLAMA 2 years ago
Didn't think anyone would follow me on that.
Hallamorhalwillfree 2 years ago
@Hallamorhalwillfree I hope you realize that Edward Current is an atheist poking fun at Christians, with very clever use of irony might I add!
heavenlyhog321 1 year ago
@heavenlyhog321
For an atheist, Edward is Currently paying a whole lot of attention to all manner of religion.
Ask him to explain 'hope' and then come back and tell me he is a real atheist.
I cannot help but comment on what he puts out there.
He's a religious target... ironically.
HALLAMA 1 year ago
@HALLAMA Ok let's not get caught up on labels here, it doesn't matter what his ideology is. I don't know what your point is exactly, but my point is Edward Current's christian videos are a parody of over-the-top,fundamentalist Christians. If you go to his channel you can see in the background the phrase "ITS A JOKE" repeated over and over. And if you took the time to read the description of his channel you would see that he explains that his christian videos are a joke.
heavenlyhog321 1 year ago
@HALLAMA Oh and nice puns by the way hehe :P
heavenlyhog321 1 year ago
The way i see it, when I die my consiousness dies, me as a person is no longer.. Not any form of a soul or something capable of thought is left.
It is per say the end..
But a part is still left, decomposed or in the air as CO2 being used by vegitation and all other living things, so per say my death is the source of life, and thats good enough for me..
Allish90 2 years ago 6
Cool view, and probably the most down to earth I've heard, excuse the pun... but imagine that you were immortal.... living lifes over and over again... and just got bored of the people around you without freaking them out; to 'pass on' to your next new life you just had to stop belief in the things that tied you in to life such as... well some things are more important to some relationships than others. Then you could avoid the depressing worm food angle although compost is great for the garden!
Hallamorhalwillfree 2 years ago
believe in jesuz!
cheeze94 2 years ago
Who is that?
HALLAMA 2 years ago
JEZUZ!!!
cheeze94 2 years ago
Nope, still don't know who he is?
Hallamorhalwillfree 2 years ago
Better explain myself... Dust is made up mainly of skin.
Hallamorhalwillfree 2 years ago