I don't know why people bash DS9. I love that series better than TNG and VOY. It's different because it focuses on politics, war and religion. Avery Brooks is a magnificent actor.
@nytehawx i agree! and the character development is better than ANY series. they change throughout the series, and become different people, and the series weren't so episodic, you have a huge story line in the background to make you think not only about the episode but "oh man, how are they going to beat the Dominion or stop the Maquis?"
@LouistheHedgehog Yeah! The Internet...people like us made it what it is today, and it's REAAAAAAAAAAAL! Congress needs to realize...even if you shut down a website...
well well you see this is what you get for trying to be friends with ofays they are evil and devil hypocritical in nature and in everything else. There time is upon them. THATS WHATS REAL.
This is crap, like the great man Gene Roddenberry said: "Star Trek the next generation is what i envisioned when i created Star Trek, the original was a mistake and i regret it deeply."
And if he was alive today he would never have allowed these crappy sequels that came after TNG to be made.
@MrInfidelicLord It just isn't Star Trek to me, it's just another generic Sci-fi TV show.
It's the same with this new version of V, they already made it as good as it is ever going to be 20 years ago. So why make this revised version that is crap and tarnish the original?
Another example is Robin of Sheerwood starring Michael Praed, once you have watched a masterpiece like that everything else fails in comparison.
Jean-Luc Picard is my captain and always will be. :)
@baldurus1 I see what you mean. I hated what they did to Battle star Galatica. And that "Caprica" prequel crap was horrible. What did you think about Star gate universe? I don't know how these directors get there jobs most of the time.
@MrInfidelicLord Honestly i haven't watched a single episode of SGU, i can't comment on that.
I only watched SG-1.
There's recently been talks about making a remake of Twin Peaks, another piece of gold in TV history. And the mere thought of such an abomination makes me shutter.
DS9 was easily my favourite Star Trek series, though I have to say I didn't like the whole "prophet" arc, it kind of went more science fantasy than science fiction and kind of went against the rationalism of TNG. I know that they are supposed to be extradimensional beings who exist outside of time, but that seemed a bit of a flimsy excuse to justify a mistaken religion. The whole thing with the Pah wraiths and prophecies just got to me
Sisko is a hiprocrate. First off, he complains of anti-Black prejudices, yet easily levied these same prejudices on Nog, for being a Frengii, when Nog sought him as a mentor (initially). So what that his uncle is a weapons dealing, con artist that doesn't make NOG or Rom one.
Its a reference to famous civil rights activist Medgar Evers, who I think was gunned down in his drive way. Either way= "You can kill a man, but you can not kill an idea." :D
Avery Brooks is such an amazing actor. I loved him on DS9. It sucks that scifi shows often get snubbed by major awards here in the US. Because he should have gotten a Golden Globe, SAG, Emmy, People's Choice and whatever else award for this scene alone. And the episode itself should have gotten some kind of acknowledgment.
the episode form TNG - Chain of Command and this one reveals the true human nature - oppression, aggression, exploitation and control obsession... best performance of Avery Brooks in DS9
@strikevipermkII actually I think it was a quantum subspace tachyon field waveform distortion effect in the space time continuum, which depolarised the deflectors and created an inversion in the nadion emitter arrays leading to a cascade failure of the Heisenberg compensators. Or something.
I love how this scene shows Russell slipping further and further into Sisko's mindset, as Sisko prepares to wake up and Russell is subsumed into his real-life concerns back on the station. Here you see him desperately trying to convince Vreenak that the hologram of Damar and Weyoun planning to invade Romulus is not, in fact, a FAAAKE!
Still one of the best scenes in ST history. Great acting and great sci-fi makes you think about what is and what could be. Every time I see this, it makes me think about all the people who have come before and how things have changed since then.
This episode was one of the best in the series which showed the acting strength of Avery Brooks. As a 1950's sci-fi writer who imagined himself and his colleagues in the future outer-space station or was Capt. Ben Sisko transported back to earths 1950's with all of its social problems, which was real? What was the name of this eposode?
next time i buy something and the guy tells me it's fake i'm gonna flip out and do the sisko thing. I'm gonna pound my fist on the table, scream IT'S REAL then collapse due to a heart attack. :)
After seeing scenes like this, it always makes me wonder what it's like to actually be in the room when they're filming. I mean, seeing this on TV is one thing, but to be there and see it in person...would make it hard to stay in character without getting too emotionally attached to what's going on. And I agree, you just don't see acting like this on TV these days.
God, I've seen this dozens of times on YouTube and on the DVD and I still get chills and tear up every time. This speech embodies what Star Trek is and indeed humanity's ongoing struggle.
There are other great Star Trek episodes, but this is by far the best truly STAR TREK episode ever, IMO.
@wrlord Man, since when did racial controversy NOT belong in a star trek episode??? Do you not remember the black and white guys from the original series? orion slave girls? face it, star trek is packed full of modern racial controversy and problems. it always has been and still is.
How did Avery Brooks never get nominated for an Emmy, a SAG or anything? He could in less than five minutes, out-act damn near any actor you can name today.
@msa1985, perhaps, but when Firefly is cancelled after one season despite having excellent performances, and Stargate SG-1 gets 10 series with it's let's say diverse quality of performances, that makes me think there are more significant factors at play. Sci-Fi is dismissed even when the performances and stories are well above average. I think we'll see a significant upsurge of science fiction when the old TV paradigm is replaced by online distribution as the main source of video entertainment.
Come now, let's not pick on Stargate SG-1. While I agree the series lasted about four or three Seasons too long, and certain character changes were sub-optimal, it at LEAST delivered one Season's worth of quality episodes (acting, story, music, etc). I'd go so far as to say the first four Seasons were the best. Season 5 was also pretty damn good.
@Ragitsu, I'll admit I liked SG-1, but nowhere near as much as Firefly or Star Trek or Babylon 5. The characters are mostly flat. It's pretty basic action adventure stuff. It's not as important as Star Trek, or as epic as B5 or as charming as Firefly. Yet it got more series than all of those. That just makes no sense to me. Now SGU is cancelled. It seems quality is inversely proportional to how many seasons a sci-fi show gets. Now there's no space opera sci fi at all on TV. At all. And I weep.
Yeah don't pick on Stargate SG-1. I love Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis as much I love Star Trek The Original Series/The Animated Series, Star Trek The Next Generation, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, Star Trek Voyager, and Star Trek Enterprise. I even love Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. I of course love all the Star Wars movies as well. Any space adventures that starts with Star in it and even anything else is similar to Star Trek I love. Lol.
Meh I never care for that show not even Farscape, Battlestar Galactica (mainly the new one), or Firefly. Just Star Trek, Star Wars, Stargate, and now Mass Effect (even it's just a video game RPG series). I even like Sliders and Knight Rider (the original and the 2008 series). I also have seen pieces of Andromeda and Earth: Final Conflict. I kind of like the new V series even I only saw part of its first season. I tried give SGU a chance but it reminded me too much of BSG.
@TheStarTreker I find that perplexing. Babylon 5 is far superior in writing to much of what you mentioned there. It does start off pretty shakily though, but then so does TNG. I am a major Trekkie, and I would gladly challenge you to a Trek-off any day, but despite that, I would put Babylon 5 on the same level, at least in some aspects. That should impress upon you how good it gets later on. If you give it another go and don't like it, I'll watch Spock's Brain without pausing to scream or vomit.
I'm really disappointed that there is no new Star Trek or Stargate on TV now and SyFy pretty much went downhill, all it's now is just crap like the CW is except Smallville which I absolutely love. Mass Effect would make a great TV show. They are making a Mass Effect movie but I still think it would be better as a TV show though.
Wow, judging from this scene that guy is a REALLY solid actor. If you look closely around 2:37 when he turns his head back to the camera the reflection shows he even had tears going. That is serious man, gave me goosebumps
Before and after this scene, Avery Brooks appeared to be sleepwalking through this series. But I guess he realised that this scene was his chance to shine.
@theinquisitor lol Farscape's not the deranged rantings of a crazy man lol. It's rather good, in it's own way. lol. Thank you for putting this scene up, it's quite good to watch. Very good acting going on in it.
@cunfuzzed, obviously I think highly of this scene, but how about the scene where Picard has taken on the emotions of Sarek after a mind mild? The uncontrollable and unrestrained emotions of a 200 year old Vulcan, thrust upon a mere human, taking him from anger and despair to a love to intense it's agonising. I think that's a fair contender with this scene. Stewart is the better actor, and that's no criticism of Brooks.
@theinquisitor That's your opinion. However, if my memory is correct, Picard was a very one-dimensional character. We don't get too many moments to see if Patrick Stewart can pull off a convincing performance like this one (with notable exceptions; Chain of Command is my personal favorite). So I hope you're basing the assertion that Stewart is the better actor on more then just his performance in TNG. Because, just going off of that, Brooks is at least damn close (if not as good, or better).
@cunfuzzed, always good to hear a differing opinion. I think perhaps Brooks performance here is helped by the fact that these issues are significant to him personally. That's just a guess, but I didn't see half this conviction in the final confrontation with Dukat in the last episode. He was also in American History X, a film dealing with racism. Then again, his performance in "In the Pale Moonlight" was exemplary, which had no such connection. I find both Brooks and Stewart most enjoyable.
Picard wasn't a one-dimensional character. He was one of the best characters on TNG and they did plenty of great things with his character. Like after his encounter with the Borg affected him in "Family" with him growing as a character by admiting that he wasn't strong enough to stop them and that he has to learn to live with it in order to go on being captain of the enterprise. Or in "Chain of command" where he talks about how close he was to giving in and saying anything to stop the torture.
@Kelvinian, funnily enough, I remember an interview with Patrick where he talked about a "negative" (as in photographic negative) version of Othello, where black actors would portray the roles of the white characters, and white actors would have a chance to play Othello. I don't think they "blacked up" for the role. I'm sure the Star Trek makeup team could handle that though. It would be a doddle compared to making someone look Klingon. And it's all a dream sequence, so why not?
"I know why your human federation dislikes use, we embody everything in your past you hate, greed, money. But racial prejudice, holocaust, mass genocide, oh no where far more moral creatures then you."
@whydid666, indeed, reminds me of another quote from him. "Humans are wonderful people as long as their bellies are full and their holodecks are working. But take away their creature comforts and those same wonderful people will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon."
@whydid666 Well, given that they can't even treat their females correctly is it so hard to believe they never fought one another in bloody wars? They're not nearly as hypocritical as the Vulcans are: Spock going on about all of humanity's flaws when we're shown that the Vulcans used to be far worse than any humans...
@ShadowSonic2 actually the more I see it kinda a gender free for all, quark makes Ferangi dating into a power games where a partner is always trying to control the other. Though they have yet kill each other en mass, treat each other fairly though ya they are still working on that.
its real, its FAAAAKE....ITS A STONE LUIGI, YOU DIDNT MAKE IT! ITS A FOOTBALL, ITS A STONE, FOOTBALL, STONE, FOOTBALL, STONE,STONE,STONE,STONE,STONE.....everybody stoned luigi!
Whether you love or hate how you did the scene (I love), we can all agree...
The delivery of the phrase "To hell with YOU" was straight out of the Bill Cosby acting handbook
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horaciosi 1 month ago 2
I don't know why people bash DS9. I love that series better than TNG and VOY. It's different because it focuses on politics, war and religion. Avery Brooks is a magnificent actor.
nytehawx 1 month ago 2
@nytehawx i agree! and the character development is better than ANY series. they change throughout the series, and become different people, and the series weren't so episodic, you have a huge story line in the background to make you think not only about the episode but "oh man, how are they going to beat the Dominion or stop the Maquis?"
genius in my opinion.
japcloud 2 weeks ago
@nytehawx i meant better than any other Star Trek series btw
japcloud 2 weeks ago
Fight SOPA!
LouistheHedgehog 1 month ago
@LouistheHedgehog Yeah! The Internet...people like us made it what it is today, and it's REAAAAAAAAAAAL! Congress needs to realize...even if you shut down a website...
YOU CANNOT DESTROY AN IDEA!
QuartrGuy 1 month ago
That was some really bad acting; no wonder most of these people never did anything else of note.
CymroGoch 1 month ago
well well you see this is what you get for trying to be friends with ofays they are evil and devil hypocritical in nature and in everything else. There time is upon them. THATS WHATS REAL.
xxphantommasterxx 2 months ago
That was some top tier acting, goodness.
TheRadicalOneNG 2 months ago
Beneath this mask is more than flesh... Beneath this mask is an idea, Mr. Creedy... and ideas are bulletproof.
killerkirbydude 2 months ago
its REEEAL , its a FAKE
jmm1233 2 months ago
@jmm1233 Thanks for this. I don't know if many people get it, but i do.
cello06 2 months ago
This is crap, like the great man Gene Roddenberry said: "Star Trek the next generation is what i envisioned when i created Star Trek, the original was a mistake and i regret it deeply."
And if he was alive today he would never have allowed these crappy sequels that came after TNG to be made.
baldurus1 2 months ago
@baldurus1 What's wrong with DS9? You mad bro?
MrInfidelicLord 2 months ago
@MrInfidelicLord It just isn't Star Trek to me, it's just another generic Sci-fi TV show.
It's the same with this new version of V, they already made it as good as it is ever going to be 20 years ago. So why make this revised version that is crap and tarnish the original?
Another example is Robin of Sheerwood starring Michael Praed, once you have watched a masterpiece like that everything else fails in comparison.
Jean-Luc Picard is my captain and always will be. :)
baldurus1 2 months ago
@baldurus1 I see what you mean. I hated what they did to Battle star Galatica. And that "Caprica" prequel crap was horrible. What did you think about Star gate universe? I don't know how these directors get there jobs most of the time.
MrInfidelicLord 2 months ago
@MrInfidelicLord Honestly i haven't watched a single episode of SGU, i can't comment on that.
I only watched SG-1.
There's recently been talks about making a remake of Twin Peaks, another piece of gold in TV history. And the mere thought of such an abomination makes me shutter.
baldurus1 2 months ago
@baldurus1 you know nothing
xxphantommasterxx 2 months ago
@baldurus1
What about DS9 did you not like? What did you think Gene didn't like?
papermermaid 2 months ago
Nigga is a great actor. Kudos for him.
ALSPEHEIR 2 months ago
Chuba Sleemo, Uba Stuka Un Koochoo!!!
StarWarsFan443 2 months ago
I watched a documentary whit this actor. And this is him in normal life.
Collective11011 2 months ago 3
worst episode ever. Star Trek was created by Gene Rodenbury. Not some guy during the 1930s
thingjob 3 months ago
@thingjob yes but this was siscos dream
ironwolf9999 2 months ago
IT'S A FAAAAKE
shawnmeboy 3 months ago 2
@shawnmeboy It's REAAAAAAAAAAAL!
QuartrGuy 1 month ago
Behind this mask is an Idea, and ideas are bulletproof.
STNKbone 3 months ago
I don't know how the cast or the crew for that matter kept a straight face.
littlehouse15 3 months ago
I remember this one. We are still not out of that yet.
wbworkout 4 months ago
"You are the dreamer, and the dream"
Hellllll yeahhhhh! That's what im talkin about!
Alec0124 4 months ago
Still boggles my mind to this day why the hell wasn't Avery Brooks even nominated for an Emmy for this episode.
KEYSERSOZE1965 4 months ago 5
@KEYSERSOZE1965 Because at the time the emmys did not respect science fiction. theys till dont.
Bladestar7 4 months ago
You can destroy an idea. Once there was someone who knew who Jack the Ripper was. That knowledge died with that person.
viridismonasteriense 5 months ago
GOD DAM!!! that s some real acting going on there!!!!!
Sammy31766 5 months ago
Incredible acting... Simply incredible
majnemesis 5 months ago in playlist majnemesis's Favorited Videos 2
lol I was expecting vreenak to pop up all the time
sininetigu 5 months ago 5
Touching...as a black male this really brings a tear to my eyes.
MLKKAEFEnterprises 5 months ago 4
@MLKKAEFEnterprises your tears are FAAAKE!!!
SecinMuz 2 months ago
*Stamps on idea until it's destroyed*
You were saying?
billyboyjennings 5 months ago
god i feel for this bloke i feel like him sometimes
hideHYDEimcoming 6 months ago
An amazing scene.
yaahyak 6 months ago
IT"S REAAAAAAAAAALL !!!!!!! :)
MrHoppers002 6 months ago
@MrHoppers002
It's a FAAAAAAKE!!!! =D
ElDuffeSanchez 5 months ago
Avery Brooks is the best actor I know who doesnt get any credit for being a great actor. Shame.....Watch American History X....
Neomac316 6 months ago
i disagree. an idea can be picked apart and distroted to the point that it becomes meaningless, happens all the time in the God debate.
cwross1976 6 months ago
DS9 was easily my favourite Star Trek series, though I have to say I didn't like the whole "prophet" arc, it kind of went more science fantasy than science fiction and kind of went against the rationalism of TNG. I know that they are supposed to be extradimensional beings who exist outside of time, but that seemed a bit of a flimsy excuse to justify a mistaken religion. The whole thing with the Pah wraiths and prophecies just got to me
TheRhinehart86 7 months ago 2
Quark's (or whoever he was here) little "WHAT?!" was hilarious.
Larrylarp 7 months ago
Ideas are bulletproof, after all...
Random references aside, one of my all-time favorite DS9 episodes. No question. This, "In The Pale Moonlight" and the finale.
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" You are the dreamer and the dream "
blacklotus808 7 months ago
Sisko is a hiprocrate. First off, he complains of anti-Black prejudices, yet easily levied these same prejudices on Nog, for being a Frengii, when Nog sought him as a mentor (initially). So what that his uncle is a weapons dealing, con artist that doesn't make NOG or Rom one.
wd40isgreat 7 months ago
I love this scene. Odos character is so good.
voyager16 7 months ago
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"It's still real to me dammit!" says fat wrestling fan, erm, I mean Ben Sisko.
PeeboTyson 8 months ago
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PeeboTyson 8 months ago
Its a reference to famous civil rights activist Medgar Evers, who I think was gunned down in his drive way. Either way= "You can kill a man, but you can not kill an idea." :D
wiggalama 8 months ago
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wow, people are saying this is good acting? LOL... its fucking crap
ricolikepal 8 months ago
It always amazes me when people say that Avery Brooks was a wooden actor. This is one of many scenes that show just how fantastic he really is.
WorfSOM 8 months ago 4
Avery Brooks is such an amazing actor. I loved him on DS9. It sucks that scifi shows often get snubbed by major awards here in the US. Because he should have gotten a Golden Globe, SAG, Emmy, People's Choice and whatever else award for this scene alone. And the episode itself should have gotten some kind of acknowledgment.
LibertineDeSade 9 months ago
This is one of Avery Brook's greatest moments.
FekLeyrTarg 9 months ago 8
Get that man an Emmy.
...can't believe the only Emmy DS9 ever won was for hair and makeup.
milesofawesomness 10 months ago 16
ISREAAAAAAAAL!
k1n6k1n6 10 months ago
ISREAAAAAAAAL!
k1n6k1n6 10 months ago
the episode form TNG - Chain of Command and this one reveals the true human nature - oppression, aggression, exploitation and control obsession... best performance of Avery Brooks in DS9
oprescuflorin 10 months ago
subspace thingy.
very descriptive
strikevipermkII 11 months ago 23
@strikevipermkII actually I think it was a quantum subspace tachyon field waveform distortion effect in the space time continuum, which depolarised the deflectors and created an inversion in the nadion emitter arrays leading to a cascade failure of the Heisenberg compensators. Or something.
theinquisitor 11 months ago 99
@theinquisitor Sounds plausible.
GeneralNerd 10 months ago
@theinquisitor " Or Something "...HA HA HA.
blacklotus808 7 months ago
@theinquisitor
Well duu!
GRODON7 7 months ago
@theinquisitor in otehr words, subspace thingy better than lsd.
theliberator1 6 months ago
@theinquisitor They fixed it by reconfiguring the main deflector array... As usual...
Pectabyte 5 months ago
@theinquisitor keep going I'm almost there, unnnnnnffff
ljonesvc 3 months ago
@theinquisitor NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD
morro190 3 months ago
@theinquisitor smashed him lol
LamonicBomb 2 months ago
@theinquisitor
OWNAGE! Nice!
HarakMolova 2 months ago
It's a faaaake!
SwordsmanMercenary 11 months ago 2
@SwordsmanMercenary IT'S REEAAAALLL
jedihunter176 11 months ago
@jedihunter176 LOL It's a FAAAAAKE!
SwordsmanMercenary 11 months ago
@SwordsmanMercenary DONT YOU UNDERSTAND IT'S rrrRREEAAALLL
jedihunter176 11 months ago
I love how this scene shows Russell slipping further and further into Sisko's mindset, as Sisko prepares to wake up and Russell is subsumed into his real-life concerns back on the station. Here you see him desperately trying to convince Vreenak that the hologram of Damar and Weyoun planning to invade Romulus is not, in fact, a FAAAKE!
aperson22222 11 months ago
Oh the episode is 6x13 - Far Beyond the Stars.
Sunmocker 1 year ago
Still one of the best scenes in ST history. Great acting and great sci-fi makes you think about what is and what could be. Every time I see this, it makes me think about all the people who have come before and how things have changed since then.
Sunmocker 1 year ago 3
This episode was one of the best in the series which showed the acting strength of Avery Brooks. As a 1950's sci-fi writer who imagined himself and his colleagues in the future outer-space station or was Capt. Ben Sisko transported back to earths 1950's with all of its social problems, which was real? What was the name of this eposode?
talismn1 1 year ago
Even Chuck Norris cannot roundhouse kick an idea.
rbellev 1 year ago 7
I weep everytime I hear him plead,"It's REAL!!"
scottbrenkert 1 year ago
Four people tried to destroy an idea.
naguleader 1 year ago 4
It's a fake!
SwordsmanMercenary 1 year ago
next time i buy something and the guy tells me it's fake i'm gonna flip out and do the sisko thing. I'm gonna pound my fist on the table, scream IT'S REAL then collapse due to a heart attack. :)
MrHoppers002 1 year ago
This episode was damn heart-wrenching :/
Kelvinian 1 year ago
"FAKE! ir's surreal! FAKE! it's surreal!"
zonip67 1 year ago
Its a fake
JadMock 1 year ago
I didn't recognize Odo and Quark at first! XD
SpockLover27 1 year ago
After seeing scenes like this, it always makes me wonder what it's like to actually be in the room when they're filming. I mean, seeing this on TV is one thing, but to be there and see it in person...would make it hard to stay in character without getting too emotionally attached to what's going on. And I agree, you just don't see acting like this on TV these days.
mjax1111 1 year ago
Write the words brother, Benny.
dylandior123 1 year ago
It isn't bad acting, but it isn't particularly great acting either. It's a tad over dramatic and becomes a little unbelievable, imo.
CyborgVegita 1 year ago
"...and it's REAL!"
God, I've seen this dozens of times on YouTube and on the DVD and I still get chills and tear up every time. This speech embodies what Star Trek is and indeed humanity's ongoing struggle.
There are other great Star Trek episodes, but this is by far the best truly STAR TREK episode ever, IMO.
finalfrontier1701 1 year ago
Calm never got me a damn thing
Yup, load a torpedo mr wharf, and make sure you write "don't fuck with the sisko" on the side.
StargateMunky 1 year ago
Avery Brooks made Ben Sisko my favorite captain in Trek. And this is one of the scenes that made it so.
PeachWookiee 1 year ago
it's a faaaaaake
javenetti 1 year ago
It was strange to see General Martok without his klingon cranium in this episode. One of the best DS9 episodes for sure.
jebussaves1 1 year ago
Good, but over the top performance. Worth seeing, but it had no business being part of a Star Trek episode. Ham fisted, to put it mildly.
wrlord 1 year ago
@wrlord Man, since when did racial controversy NOT belong in a star trek episode??? Do you not remember the black and white guys from the original series? orion slave girls? face it, star trek is packed full of modern racial controversy and problems. it always has been and still is.
anonymouslocke 1 year ago
lol when quark says "what" I immediately shouted "Yeaaaaaaaaa"
vulcan280 1 year ago
Now that was a Performance!
drewswift 1 year ago
How did Avery Brooks never get nominated for an Emmy, a SAG or anything? He could in less than five minutes, out-act damn near any actor you can name today.
ComradeNerd 1 year ago 77
@ComradeNerd, the mainstream has always been biased against science fiction.
theinquisitor 1 year ago 14
@theinquisitor Not sure they even know it exists, anymore.
Azakhiel 1 year ago
@theinquisitor come on now. for the most part, the acting in sci fi is absolutely terrible. you can't blame them for not bothering to even look.
msa1985 1 year ago
@msa1985, perhaps, but when Firefly is cancelled after one season despite having excellent performances, and Stargate SG-1 gets 10 series with it's let's say diverse quality of performances, that makes me think there are more significant factors at play. Sci-Fi is dismissed even when the performances and stories are well above average. I think we'll see a significant upsurge of science fiction when the old TV paradigm is replaced by online distribution as the main source of video entertainment.
theinquisitor 1 year ago
@theinquisitor
Come now, let's not pick on Stargate SG-1. While I agree the series lasted about four or three Seasons too long, and certain character changes were sub-optimal, it at LEAST delivered one Season's worth of quality episodes (acting, story, music, etc). I'd go so far as to say the first four Seasons were the best. Season 5 was also pretty damn good.
Ragitsu 11 months ago
@Ragitsu, I'll admit I liked SG-1, but nowhere near as much as Firefly or Star Trek or Babylon 5. The characters are mostly flat. It's pretty basic action adventure stuff. It's not as important as Star Trek, or as epic as B5 or as charming as Firefly. Yet it got more series than all of those. That just makes no sense to me. Now SGU is cancelled. It seems quality is inversely proportional to how many seasons a sci-fi show gets. Now there's no space opera sci fi at all on TV. At all. And I weep.
theinquisitor 11 months ago
@Ragitsu
Yeah don't pick on Stargate SG-1. I love Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis as much I love Star Trek The Original Series/The Animated Series, Star Trek The Next Generation, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, Star Trek Voyager, and Star Trek Enterprise. I even love Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. I of course love all the Star Wars movies as well. Any space adventures that starts with Star in it and even anything else is similar to Star Trek I love. Lol.
TheStarTreker 11 months ago
@TheStarTreker how about Babylon 5? That doesn't begin with Star. It begins with Baby. Hmm.
theinquisitor 11 months ago
@theinquisitor
Meh I never care for that show not even Farscape, Battlestar Galactica (mainly the new one), or Firefly. Just Star Trek, Star Wars, Stargate, and now Mass Effect (even it's just a video game RPG series). I even like Sliders and Knight Rider (the original and the 2008 series). I also have seen pieces of Andromeda and Earth: Final Conflict. I kind of like the new V series even I only saw part of its first season. I tried give SGU a chance but it reminded me too much of BSG.
TheStarTreker 11 months ago
@TheStarTreker I find that perplexing. Babylon 5 is far superior in writing to much of what you mentioned there. It does start off pretty shakily though, but then so does TNG. I am a major Trekkie, and I would gladly challenge you to a Trek-off any day, but despite that, I would put Babylon 5 on the same level, at least in some aspects. That should impress upon you how good it gets later on. If you give it another go and don't like it, I'll watch Spock's Brain without pausing to scream or vomit.
theinquisitor 11 months ago
@Ragitsu
I'm really disappointed that there is no new Star Trek or Stargate on TV now and SyFy pretty much went downhill, all it's now is just crap like the CW is except Smallville which I absolutely love. Mass Effect would make a great TV show. They are making a Mass Effect movie but I still think it would be better as a TV show though.
TheStarTreker 11 months ago
@ComradeNerd These awards are only for the likes of Patrick Dempsey...you've got to be the love-muffin flavor of the week. Forget acting talent.
finalfrontier1701 1 year ago
@ComradeNerd Yeah, he is a great actor - the main reason for watching DS9, which imho was generally rubbish.
jimbopumbapigsticks 1 year ago
@ComradeNerd this was avery's best damn performance every!
thebuckrogers22 9 months ago
@ComradeNerd i named my son after him i watched every episode of deep space nine he was impressive to follow
blakrik 5 months ago
Like how they confront civil rights here, Its... REEEEEEEEEEAL!
vengefulnoob 1 year ago
I love Deep Space Nine. It's the best Star Trek of all. If you disagree, thats fine. But you would be wrong.
FlightKnife421 1 year ago
What terrible acting.
redplague 1 year ago
@redplague You suck.
FiberFinger 1 year ago
is the bald guy quark?
madskillz808 1 year ago
Wow, judging from this scene that guy is a REALLY solid actor. If you look closely around 2:37 when he turns his head back to the camera the reflection shows he even had tears going. That is serious man, gave me goosebumps
Nerevar1990 1 year ago
Its strange to see Odo and Quark out of Costume and being themselves.
Tumerok22 1 year ago
IT'S A FAAAKE!!!
shawnmeboy 1 year ago
@shawnmeboy ITSA FREAAAAAAAL!
trimi38 1 year ago
It's a Faaake!
SwordsmanMercenary 1 year ago
My personal favorite episode of all the Star Trek series.
rumrunner777 1 year ago
The novelization of this episode was one of the best things I've ever read.
guitarfan01 1 year ago
is that the guy who plays as the shape shifter.
KIMBOSLICE66666 1 year ago
Avery Brooks is an awesome yet under rated actor.
trier4952 1 year ago 4
Before and after this scene, Avery Brooks appeared to be sleepwalking through this series. But I guess he realised that this scene was his chance to shine.
Electricshrock 1 year ago
Oh my effing god. I should have realised sooner. Quark was Principal Snyder.
CoffeeStained 1 year ago
OBAMA!!!!
Jamaari20 1 year ago
wait so ds9 is the deranged rantings of a crazy man?
leonel1982 1 year ago
@leonel1982, no no, that's Farscape : )
theinquisitor 1 year ago 19
@theinquisitor It's a fake!
DarkKnightBob1o1 1 year ago
@DarkKnightBob1o1
BUT IT'S REAAALLLL!!!!
Charmolution 1 year ago
@theinquisitor lol Farscape's not the deranged rantings of a crazy man lol. It's rather good, in it's own way. lol. Thank you for putting this scene up, it's quite good to watch. Very good acting going on in it.
lovetelevision 1 year ago
@theinquisitor No no thats Stargate .
tenkenroo 1 year ago
@leonel1982 No, that's Scientology. BAZINGA!
ComradeNerd 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
that must've been one hell of an episode.
spritefish 1 year ago
2:56
IT'S A FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!!!!
Geth7777 1 year ago
I don't think any other actor in the Star Trek franchise could've pulled off that performance. Not even Patrick Stewart, great actor that he is.
DS9 has the best acting, and plot lines, out of all the Star Trek series.
cunfuzzed 1 year ago 53
@cunfuzzed, obviously I think highly of this scene, but how about the scene where Picard has taken on the emotions of Sarek after a mind mild? The uncontrollable and unrestrained emotions of a 200 year old Vulcan, thrust upon a mere human, taking him from anger and despair to a love to intense it's agonising. I think that's a fair contender with this scene. Stewart is the better actor, and that's no criticism of Brooks.
theinquisitor 1 year ago 3
@theinquisitor That's your opinion. However, if my memory is correct, Picard was a very one-dimensional character. We don't get too many moments to see if Patrick Stewart can pull off a convincing performance like this one (with notable exceptions; Chain of Command is my personal favorite). So I hope you're basing the assertion that Stewart is the better actor on more then just his performance in TNG. Because, just going off of that, Brooks is at least damn close (if not as good, or better).
cunfuzzed 1 year ago
@cunfuzzed, always good to hear a differing opinion. I think perhaps Brooks performance here is helped by the fact that these issues are significant to him personally. That's just a guess, but I didn't see half this conviction in the final confrontation with Dukat in the last episode. He was also in American History X, a film dealing with racism. Then again, his performance in "In the Pale Moonlight" was exemplary, which had no such connection. I find both Brooks and Stewart most enjoyable.
theinquisitor 1 year ago
@cunfuzzed Watch TNG episode "Sarek"
AcomsRazor1776 1 year ago
@AcomsRazor1776 Yes, I know which episode it is. I've seen pretty much every episode of TNG from season 3 on...
cunfuzzed 1 year ago
Picard wasn't a one-dimensional character. He was one of the best characters on TNG and they did plenty of great things with his character. Like after his encounter with the Borg affected him in "Family" with him growing as a character by admiting that he wasn't strong enough to stop them and that he has to learn to live with it in order to go on being captain of the enterprise. Or in "Chain of command" where he talks about how close he was to giving in and saying anything to stop the torture.
mummra4ever 1 year ago
@cunfuzzed Shatner could have.
wrlord 1 year ago
@cunfuzzed No you're right, Patrick couldn't have done this scene... Because he's white ¬¬
Kelvinian 1 year ago
@Kelvinian, funnily enough, I remember an interview with Patrick where he talked about a "negative" (as in photographic negative) version of Othello, where black actors would portray the roles of the white characters, and white actors would have a chance to play Othello. I don't think they "blacked up" for the role. I'm sure the Star Trek makeup team could handle that though. It would be a doddle compared to making someone look Klingon. And it's all a dream sequence, so why not?
theinquisitor 1 year ago
@theinquisitor That Othello thing is a cool idea, however making a white person look black is probably not a very good idea, in any context. xD
Kelvinian 1 year ago
you know Quark said something once:
"I know why your human federation dislikes use, we embody everything in your past you hate, greed, money. But racial prejudice, holocaust, mass genocide, oh no where far more moral creatures then you."
whydid666 1 year ago
@whydid666, indeed, reminds me of another quote from him. "Humans are wonderful people as long as their bellies are full and their holodecks are working. But take away their creature comforts and those same wonderful people will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon."
theinquisitor 1 year ago
@whydid666 But his quote made no sense. We saw in TNG how the Ferengi practiced slavery, gender prejudice, etc.
ShadowSonic2 1 year ago
@ShadowSonic2 yes but they have "yet" have had any mass genocides that match anything from human history.
whydid666 1 year ago
@whydid666 Well, given that they can't even treat their females correctly is it so hard to believe they never fought one another in bloody wars? They're not nearly as hypocritical as the Vulcans are: Spock going on about all of humanity's flaws when we're shown that the Vulcans used to be far worse than any humans...
ShadowSonic2 1 year ago
@ShadowSonic2 actually the more I see it kinda a gender free for all, quark makes Ferangi dating into a power games where a partner is always trying to control the other. Though they have yet kill each other en mass, treat each other fairly though ya they are still working on that.
whydid666 1 year ago
ITS SO RREEEEEEAAAAL!!!!!!!!!!!
TheKnightWolf 1 year ago
Avery Brooks is a tremendous actor and this, IMHO, is one of the single most important episodes of the franchise.
finalfrontier1701 1 year ago 5
its real, its FAAAAKE....ITS A STONE LUIGI, YOU DIDNT MAKE IT! ITS A FOOTBALL, ITS A STONE, FOOTBALL, STONE, FOOTBALL, STONE,STONE,STONE,STONE,STONE.....everybody stoned luigi!
ITS A FAKE!
ITS REAL!
jochemlol 1 year ago
@jochemlol, are you suffering from Rigellian brain fever or something?
theinquisitor 1 year ago 4
@theinquisitor nope..this made me think of it xD...
jochemlol 1 year ago
DS9 is by far the best Star Trek shows ever produce...no screw that, its one of the best SHOWS ever produced!
fctiger74 1 year ago
You know what would be awesome? If someone matched Benny Russell's monologue up to Hitler's rant from Der Untergang.
aperson22222 1 year ago
WOW! Ambulances can travel through space?
coyran 1 year