Dr. David Getoff on "Holes in the China study"

[mondezdurden]

I hate when someone who is NOT trained in research studies like the China study try to debunk valid research. He's a nutritionist, not a biologist. How in the HELL is he even equipped to UNDERSTAND the study and its methodology at the levels of those who proposed it? The two professions are not equivalent in any way. As a nutritionist he has his opinions but he's not trained in pathology research and so he needs to stick to his ideas of nutrition and not attack valid research or their findings.

[ProdigyMaster69]

every one look up dr sebi

[1sashenka]

If it was winter 10.000 years ago, and I was in my cave warming up to a nice fire with my hottie girlfriend and we got hungry after crazy hominid sex, and outside there was snow everywhere with no vegetation around, I am pretty sure I'd take my spear and go get me some slowass animal to feed me and my hottie :)

[1sashenka]

Look at all the angry comments! Vegans attack LOL

[1sashenka]

@1imesub Why, cause they are not retards like you?

[durianrider]

weston a price actually recommend a low fat, whole wheat based vegetarian diet was the best.

All these jokers use WAP and he was just a dentist.

There is a LOT more health factors other than diet! These guys just focus on diet vs sleep, soil quality, water quality, stress etc.

We have a blogger (sean croxton) and a naturopath snake oil salesman (david getoff) trying to debunk the most famous nutrition study EVER done lol!

EPIC FAIL GUYS!

[AuntieTruth]

@durianrider Have you read Nutrition and Physical Degeneration? WAP didn't find a single society that was solely vegetarian/vegan. To one degree or another every exceptionally healthy group he found who had almost completely immunity to tooth decay and degenerative diseases were people eating animal products with very high nutrient densities. It was the animal products were the greatest nutrient density of vitamins A, D, and K were found. Everyone can read this important work, it's online.

[1sashenka]

@durianrider Can you please show us the reference where Weston A Price recommended low fat and whole wheat diet. Google did not turn that up, and Weston A Price foundation website has no such reference.

Thank you :)

[1sashenka]

@1sashenka westonaprice[dot]org/basics/pr­inciples-of-healthy-diets

[eerginer]

This guy needs to see a psychiatrist. He has problems galore.

[ProdigyMaster69]

david getoff is overweight and sean croxton is scared to take his shirt off. Thought he was a paul chek fan boy and thats the 1st thing paul teaches to teach with ur shirt off

[lazur1]

@ProdigyMaster69 I've seen videos of Getoff where he definitely looked fit & not overweight. I have no time reference points, perhaps he became overweight, perhaps he got in shape.

[1sashenka]

@ProdigyMaster69 Pretty sure Sean's body looks fit

[OctyB]

Your a sorry ass doctor Mr. Getoff!

[sewbuttns]

The China study DOES follow people who have eaten the same diet for many generations. You should really really read the book.

[reforest4fertility]

Perhaps what u find these days amongst the remnants of far flung cultures is different from what u would've found in a past era when there was more abundance. Imperialism has created a scarcity 2 shore up markets, funnel people in2 cities & then clearcut the hinterland, wiping out, or heavily fragmenting wildlife habitat. Then in the global south where food grows year round & lickety-split, peoples would much more likely pick from the trees, bushes or even from the ground, than chase & kill...

[plebshadowofra]

A real doctor doesn't troll other doctors' views on YouTube. Thats what peer review is for.

Get your own funding, do your own research and allow your peers to critically assess your results.

[Twomonthago]

People do not fall into this idiots ego!!!!

Time!!!.... Research becomes better, the China Study is back up by Clinical study by renown Cardiologists. Stay away from these Creeps!!!!

[phantasmaguru]

this guys speaks a load of crap!

[titleman67]

This guy makes NO sense! I don't believe that he ever ACTUALLY READ the China Study if he believes his statement that "the only protein studied was casein.

[lazur1]

@titleman67 Google "Denise Minger", punch up here page on "rawfoods.com", then "China Study". She's got a not-all-that-short version, a full version of her criticisms, 7 her response to T.C.Campbells reply. Those who HAVE read the "China Study" & have an open mind should have no trouble reading her thorough dismantling of it.

[AuntieTruth]

@lazur1 Denise has opened up the China Study to a lot of people who otherwise would have just listened to vegans assertions about the data in the study. One of the most interesting tidbits is that in fact it's a vegan food, wheat, that is most highly correlated with heart disease. Animal products are often inversely correlated with it (meaning they're actually protective).

[lazur1]

@t:While all consumed animal products were studied in the field, casein was the only lab-tested substance.

[546422]

this man has a theory,,, and it is just that a theory. Like any other dr or person he may someday find that veganism is good and being a person of empirical appreciation he may himself become a vegan or vice versa for a pro vegan dr. Just a side note, women were not required to be part of the test populous for studies till 1993. Just some info for women out there; check the date of the studies and look for information on the subjects.

[redrosary]

Vegans are notorious credophiles who will blindly believe with a religious fervor absolutely ANYTHING that coincides with their delusional worldviews and unhealthy lifestyle choices.

[durianriders]

d like Dr Getoff conduct the MOST COMPREHENSIVE STUDY EVER DONE ON HUMAN NUTRITION and use that to 'debunk' Dr Campbell vs a 5min youtube vid. :)

For sure, I agree about people eating high fat, low carb, vegan diets and not getting the full benefits of a proper vegan/raw vegan diet.

[101011001]

Weston A Price was a dentist, not a nutritionist he studied cavities, that isn't a measure of true health.

[jvaish]

@101011001 no, he didn't. He studied several cultures over 14 years. He did a LOT more than just cavities. i suggest you research him more.

[newgtguy]

Another group which was studied intensely are vegan 7th Day Adventists. This group has an average lifespan longer - 6.1 years for women and 9.5 years for men than meat eaters.

Google "7th day adventist lifespan." It's a 12 years study with 34,000 participants.

[newgtguy]

If I put a live chicken in front of you, your first instinct is not to kill and eat it.

Carnivores start by breaking the neck, they then use sharp teeth to rip open the skin. They gorge on the organs and intestines and rip the raw flesh from the bones.

Again, none of the above is human instinct. We are not carnivores. In fact, we eat like maggots. We wait for beef to "Age" (rote) so it is tender enough to chew.

These are fundamental basic principals. This logic cannot be denied.

[azlbek]

@newgtguy Ur telling me that ur a maggot and u eat rotten beef? well i would slit the throat of the chicken wit a knife clean it n cook it n eat it...so i am a human and thats a human instinct

[auggiedoggy]

@newgtguy : Cultural factors and conditioning play their role in our attitudes. Put a hunter/gatherer tribesman in this situation and he would kill and eat the animal. I find the idea of eating bugs gross. Eating them is not my first instinct yet I've seen documentaries on Amazon hunter/gatherers and they were eating big fat insect larvae they find in the bark of the trees in the Amazonian forests. So much for your logic ...

[Mueneeez]

WOW...was that a waste of time listening to! I am not sure if getoff knows what he is talking about, he sound authoritative but the content was broad,loose and wrong in a few cases.

[imnotabear]

societies that ate less animal meat were less healthy than those that ate meat? That is a new conclusion from WP's work I had never heard. Those South American indians that live mostly on corn and potato and that run multi day marathons kicking that little ball around the mountains are obviously figments of a fevered imagination, a vegetarian plot I suppose?

[wangtangchangbang]

@imnotabear

why do you think 20-25% of the irish population died during the potato blight? that was their main source of food.

Roman gladiators were also mostly vegan and fat, living off beans, barley and wheat.

[MSmatt76]

Well the Gracie's are on their 4th or 5th generation of fighters and they all follow the Gracie Diet which is a no meat, no dairy, high in fruits and vegetable diet. The Tarahumara (see Born to Run) in Central Mexico have been living off the same plant based diet since the Spanish first came. They all seem to be doing just fine...

[lazur1]

@MSmatt76 The Gracies,(at least Royce, according to an interview with him), eat much less meat than the average Brazilian, for sure, & they completely avoid meat at certain stages of their training, but they do eat some meat.

[mattmenzies]

Hey champion,

You make some good comments here, but I'd like to comment for T Collin Campbell, and first thing is that his studies have been brought down to roughly 300 pages, and that isn't an easy read as it is.

Maybe you best look more in to what the man finds, and comments about. He will probably answer your questions. Also look at Jimbo, 34 & rawvibing's comments below.

[ObesityMyth]

Diet lifestyle and mortality in China : A study of the characteristics of 65 Chinese countries. [Chen J.] THAT my friends is the ACTUAL China Study itself. Read it. See what a FRAUD T. Colin Campbell is.

Look into Anthoiny Colpo.

[ObesityMyth]

It's too bad that :

1) Epidemiology is the lowest of the low in scientific research and NEVER can prove causality

2) The actual data from the China Study itself completely contradicts T. Colin Campbell's popular namesake BOOK

3) Plants make all sorts of carcinogenic compounds. Plants are NOT a panacea.

Diet lifestyle and mortality in China: A study of the characteristics of 65 Chinese countries.{Chen J.] THAT , my friends, is thre ACTUAL China Study. Read it.

[rawvibing]

If you have read the China Study or researched independently the breadth nutrition, biology, botany, horticulture, epidemiology, & biochemistry in association with health and are listening you will agree here. READ THE NEXT COMMENTS BELOW TO CONTINUE

[rawvibing]

@ 1:59 - people have been eating whole food plant based diets for well over 25 years, some of them up to 60+

@ 2:10 - he mentions needing research from 4 or more generations to know. In the china study they tested 1000s of people who eat locally, and whose families have lived geographically in the same regions for more than 5 generations!

[rawvibing]

@ 2:17 Weston Prices research proved that out of 12 different cultures vegetarians were not the healthiest people. This is true. He didnt mention that 5 generations ago people who were poor in these civilizations ate plants cuz they were cheap, but tended to live unsanitarily, drank unsanitary water supplies, didnt receive modern medical care as a result of lower cultural statuses & unhealthy external lifestyle factors.

[rawvibing]

Diabetes (type 2), cancer, & heart disease have grown in congruency with the animal protein and fat consumptions increased presence in our american diets.

@ 3:01 - Li Ching Yuen - Lived generally speaking around 200 years. People In his geographic area at the time in the 16 &17 hundreds ate whole foods plant based diets and generally lived long. Once you remove the youth mortality rates that were factored in to public

[rawvibing]

records that drop agree life span totals, you realize people actually lived longer. Unfortunately, youth mortality rates in underdeveloped societies a majority of the time are linked to sanitization factors which bring diseases to children's weaker immune-systems. Also societies every day are switching over to the western diet trends which is why these societies no long eat how they used to, in addition to their existences being eliminated over the last 100 years (or generation

[rawvibing]

@ 3:50 - I am not sure what he is talking about. He also hasnt proven to me through peer reviewed scientific journals based off of legitimate studies which were analyzed by any highly regarded experts of their fields that have convinced me to believe these notional opinions. Further more, many studies have been proven to be faulty due to special interest funding via food and drug corporations;

[rawvibing]

thusly creating an over saturated playing field of misleading information, ALL of which were derived from so called valid sources@ 4:00 - Other studies on a variety of animal and plant based proteins are available at your local library, or on the interweb. Find them your self, they usually reconfirm Campbells findings on their correlation to vast majority of disease.

@ 4:12 - Again, prove to me there are animal based protein studies that are astringently affirmed by distinguished

[rawvibing]

sources that document the existence of animal based proteins that are healthy in every way you can look at them.

@ 4:26 - How selective was he with his research? Read the short 8 pages of APPENDIX B in Dr. Campbells book to see for your self.

@4:31 to 5:27(the end) - If you read Dr. Campbells work he explicitly discusses that isolation nutrients is not a valid form of testing, DUH. In addition to this, ALL of the china studys research was on diet and lifestyle, no one

[rawvibing]

on the china study and read maybe the first 60 pages then proceeding to lightly skim the next 130 pages and completely omit the last section of the book. Seriously, if you contest any of this information i challenge you to go and research for you self. And if any thing i have stated to be in correct then present me the data and well review it and maybe i shall be humbled. Let me remind you that I am always interested in the full truth of this subject.

[GWBushpig]

Shills everywhere. There are Thousands of people that have reversed cancers and diabetes and many more diseases through a raw diet.This moron is trying to throw people off the track.The only hole here is the massive one between his ears.

[1ardovino]

Right now I have a cousin at MD Anderson that has been on the China study diet for 3 months. Everyone undergoing the same treatment at that hospital in the same phase is in a wheelchair. He is not. His blood work gets better and better everytime they check it and he had the doctors puzzled. That's all I need to see. Has anyone ever heard of co and tell pro? This is it.

[volkom2003]

I don't know who David Getoff is but T. Colin Campbell is one of the most distinguished doctors on nutrition in the field. What is David Getoff's credentials?

[bbagginz]

Who are these clowns?

[Pepeti78]

the eskimos gets osteoporosis around the age of 40 while they eat the bone of the small fishes too and some people keep their dog on vegan diet what lives longer life and doesn't get kidney problems so maybe what our ancestors ate never mind ,just the pureness of the food. only the plants can synthesize proteins from the soil ,co2 and sun what we are all made of

[Food4Health1Spirit]

"the eskimos gets osteoporosis around the age of 40"

Do you know a source for this information?

[Pepeti78]

John McDougall MD on the perils of dairy products - Google Videos - and from another article > "Eskimos are among the highest consumers of fish on Earth; they also have the highest rates of osteoporosis of any people on our planet. After the age of 40 years, Eskimos of both sexes have from a 10% to 15% greater bone loss than do whites in the US of the same age.The Eskimos consume up to 2,500 mg of calcium a day, mostly in the form of fish bones"

[wangtangchangbang]

@Food4Health1Spirit

I googled: "eskimo osteoperosis" and the first non paid listing is from a paper on msu.edu website which states, "Native Eskimos have the highest rate of osteoporosis in the world. This news is really hard to swallow for most people. After all, don't we need lots of ..."

[imnotabear]

@wangtangchangbang try news.google.com there are some news paper articles about examinations of bodies found frozen in the ice - hundreds of years old.

[kuwaizair]

@Food4Health1Spirit

don't forget, vegan dogs live longer, like to 30!

[redrosary]

@Pepeti78

"and some people keep their dog on vegan diet what lives longer life"

Complete bullshit.

[Pepeti78]

@redrosary - yeah ,you might be right ,gathered this info from the net ,but found out recently there are loads of fake stuff on the net ,vegan dog stories ,pics etc. must be all fake... long term raw vegans are 99% fake etc. so must be careful

[sarrass1]

Yeah the book the China study does not tally with the actual data of the China study. The data shows a correlation between sugar and soluble carbohydrates and cancer not between meat and cancer.

[Stonewalljackson7]

The Greek Orthodox religion required them to be vegetarian 25 weeks of the year.

[Stonewalljackson7]

Ikaria Greece also has a high percentage of centenarians and they also consume low amounts of fish, dairy and meat.

[Stonewalljackson7]

The Okinawans eat virtually no cholesterol and no only around 6% fat and hardly any saturated fat and have no fertility problems and the longest lived people in the world have few cognitive problems even at 100 years old.

[Food4Health1Spirit]

Don't they eat lots of fish over there?

[Stonewalljackson7]

The fish consumption was 1% or less of total calories.

[imnotabear]

@Food4Health1Spirit the way I understand it is that you have to be careful with the "lots" - their traditional diet is characterized firstly by being low calorie and secondly high in colorful vegetables. They eat pork too, but given the low calorie intake and the high calorie density of meat and fish offset with lower calorie dense foods such as veg, rice and seaweeds I think it is obvious that it is not so much "lots" as "some"

[azlbek]

@Food4Health1Spirit fish n beef r their primary diet hehehehe

[auggiedoggy]

@Food4Health1Spirit : Actually they don't. Sweet potatoes make up almost 70% of their daily calories. Rice makes up about 12% and fish 1%. That's even less than I thought. Other types of meat account for < 1%. I have a chart comparing the Okinawan diet composition with that of the rest of Japan. It was done in 1950 but I think it is still a fair indication of the Okinawan traditional diet.

[lazur1]

@auggiedoggy That totals less than 84%..what's the other 16+% ?

[auggiedoggy]

@lazur1 : The breakdown is detailed. There were a number of things consumed in amounts less than 1% such as nuts and seeds, "other" meats, fruit, seaweed, sugars, eggs, dairy. "other" vegetables 3%, oils 2%, other grains 7%, legumes 6% (includes soy also). Sweet potato actually provided 69% of total calories.

[yahosna40x]

@Food4Health1Spirit  Fish makes up less than 1% of their total diet.....

[Food4Health1Spirit]

@yahosna40x

That 1% may mean the difference between infertility and being able to reproduce.

[Raphinater]

@Food4Health1Spirit aww come on. lets not be ridiculous. since when has a scientific approach been "1% is conclusive)

[Nutzername36]

@Food4Health1Spirit fucking bullshit!

[doddsalfa]

@yahosna40x its 11% from fish

[yahosna40x]

@doddsalfa Is that 11% from the comercial okinawan diet or the traditional way of eating? there is a difference.

[yahosna40x]

@Food4Health1Spirit Okinawans that is.....

[auggiedoggy]

@Stonewalljackson7 : Really? The Okinawans eat fish and pork so how do you figure they "eat virtually no cholesterol"?

[Stonewalljackson7]

@auggiedoggy You're talking about modern Oki's, the pre war Okis ate only a little boiled pork and the mountain okinawan very little fish.

[kalevraa]

@Stonewalljackson7 "The Okinawans eat virtually no cholesterol" i don't know where you get this; i lived on okinawa for 5 year, and can tell you that traditional foods there include things like goat meat, goat blood soup, and plenty of pork. in fact, okinawans credit pig knuckles with ability to impart joint mobility to the elderly -- not unreasonably, as they contain a lot of gelatin.

[Stonewalljackson7]

@kalevraa The centanarian oki's came mostly under pre war conditions, that included little meat. The diet has changed and so have life expectancy rates... for the worse.

[kalevraa]

@Stonewalljackson7 hmm... the war ended in 1945. that means that the a 90-year old okinawan today was 35 when the war ended, and in spite of eating the "inferior" meat-rich diet for the last 65 years, is still alive and well. of course, overeating animal protein is unhealthy. but than again, overeating ANYTHING is unhealthy. even something as crucial as salt or water or glucose is very harmful if over-indulged in.

[Stonewalljackson7]

@kalevraa Individual 90 yr old Oki's are alive and well, just not as many as before if they have adopted the western diet. one reason for their former longevity rate is that they practiced a form of calorie restriction, the only proven way to prolong life.

[kalevraa]

@Stonewalljackson7 you might have something there... an okinawan custom calls for stopping eating when one is about 80% full. i forget the actual dialect expression describing it. still, it is hard to know how much animal protein they consumed before WWII. all i know is that some traditional foods (goat meat, pork knuckles) are hardly the vegan's ideal of a diet. undoubtedly, they ate a whole lot less meat then an average american, and less fatty cuts, too.

[kuwaizair]

@Stonewalljackson7 wikipedia says they don't eat a lot of sugar either. and no dairy or eggs but they do eat pork. what is good for Okinawan decent is also working for people of Swedish decent, because Swedish diet is not good for people living in the Amazon. right?

[Stonewalljackson7]

the body makes all the cholesterol you need added cholestero isn't needed.

[Stonewalljackson7]

refute the Okinawa "study" its low fat and low protein.

[Stonewalljackson7]

Sean is a meathead.

[risenveg]

Getoff either never read the book or is just lying to boost his own DVD sales.

[AppleSouffle]

BBC News Children Harmed by Vegan Diets

Professor Lindsay Allen, US Agricul Research Service

"There have been sufficient studies clearly showing that when women avoid all animal foods, their babies are born small, they grow very slowly and they are developmentally retarded, possibly permanently."

"If you're talking about feeding young children, pregnant women and lactating women, I would go as far as to say it is unethical to withhold these foods [meat, dairy] during that period of life."

[Stonewalljackson7]

Bullshit, my wife has been a vegetarian all her life and had two boys both over 9 lbs at birth, grew fast, walked at 9 months, and were on the Chancellors list at college.

[Food4Health1Spirit]

Do the children have perfect teeth and enough room in the jaw for all the teeth?

Vegetarian or vegan?

A bit of dairy or eggs may make a big difference.

[Stonewalljackson7]

yes, if your lactose intolerant like most of the world it makes a difference, and the eggs are full of cholesterol and saturated fat.

[Food4Health1Spirit]

Many people with lactose intolerance can handle yogurt with no problem.

Cholesterol and saturated fat are needed for cognition and fertility.

[newgtguy]

@Food4Health1Spirit Your body can make all the cholesterol it needs. Thus it is not an essential nutrient.

[MichaelBallack91]

@Food4Health1Spirit

Cholesterol is synthesized by our body. We don't need any extra from our diet. As for saturated fat, too much of anything is bad...Too much protein is bad. As for milk, it's clear we're the only species that drinks it after we're supposed to. We wouldn't drink human breast milk, but we drink cows...Makes a lot of sense.

[durianriders]

@Stonewalljackson7 Getoff quotes Steffonson. Steffonson was famous for his raw meat diet. Steffenson died from a stroke.

Barry Groves also died from a stroke, aged 41 and was the biggest WAPF promoter before he died. He said 'cholesterol and saturated fat is healthy'..and it is if your own a hurse. :)

[typeclash]

lol, what are these guys talking about, have they even read the book???

[WKraftsow]

This guy has no clue. Campbell said all proteins are bad? I don't think so! He just said it's better to get them from the original plant source.

[harold333100]

He obviously didn't read the China Study. It's amusing that he sounds like he is clogged up with the dairy mucus he would learn is causing his congestion if he had read the study. We hope he reads it and then takes the class at eCornell so that he can be aware of all of the research that has gone into the study, before and after pubiication. The many other doctors who give lectures in the class which gives the Certificate in Plant Based Nutrition are the most successful in curing diseases.

[jimbo39543]

After reading the China Study book twice, and listening to the audiobook three times, I wanted to post a comment on this video. The person interviewed in the video obviously has not read the book. His comments pertain to what he assumes the book is about. i would suggest that he actually read the book.

[veg4healthnpeace]

looked at NUMEROUS studies, numerous countries', doctors' and scientists' studies, and numerous types of animal and plant proteins and compared and collaborated the astounding and empiracally obvious findings that directly correlated the fact that animal proteins all increased the risks and chances of numerous major western medical illnesses including heart disease (heart attacks, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and strokes), diabetes, cancers, and obesity.

[DuoSonic87]

I totally agree. I think it's a good thing that humans will hopefully stop eating foods that we were designed to eat, and start eating foods that we were not supposed to eat....

*facepalm*

We are supposed to eat ANIMALS.They are our friends, but they are tasty.Our immune systems and brain are fat dependent.

[veg4healthnpeace]

IF Dr. Getoff HAD actaully read the entire book, or any substantial portion at all, he would know Dr. Colin Campbell did NOT only look at the one China Study, only look at one culture/country's diet, only look at one country's study, only look at ONE type of protein, but in fact,

[veg4healthnpeace]

Intersting that the interviewer did not ASK this Dr. Getoff if he even read the entire book, "THe China Study." He obviously assumed the Dr had.

[34drwin]

It is clear that David Getoff did not read the China Study-- Campbell writes about reductionism, the concept of looking at nutrients one at a time, and how this is not very helpful, but rather contributes to confusion-- he emphasizes over and over again throughout the book how all the nutrients need to be present together to work in complex biochemical reactions in the body--

[qwerudo]

@34drwin Than Campbell should have known better than to base his claims about proteins on studies done with isolated protein.

[sypher7]

@34drwin The China study that most people know, is Campbells personal, shortened conclusion to the REAL china study. Apparently the original study is a HUGE research study, much much bigger than his book, involving a lot more than just diet. Check out the current "great health debate" on Kevin Giannis site renegade health for what Jonny Bowden has to say abut it. Very interesting.

[lazur1]

@34drwin Tho Campbell -warns- against reductionism, he -practices- it when drawing his conclusions.

[AngryAngryBeaver1]

What exactly are the 5 ailments vegans will come down after 20 years of a vegan diet? Who are you trying to scare and why?

It does not appear you actually read the China Study book as Campbell did not focus on one single item (casein) as you state. You are misrepresenting his writing. Campbell references a vast amount of other studies done by scientific peers.

Eventually the public will look through the smoke screens put up by the animal-based food industry. They are just like big tobacco.

[CRUDADDY]

But 1 thing that is interesting in this interview when studing health and that is to find out what societies have been eating for generations and doing so without disease from which they wood not have survived.Plane and simple.History has shown that thru the above statement meat and plant foods are important for human survival

[NeedMoreWater]

Haha, what kind of a name is "David Getoff?

So David, getting off much are ya? He must have been bullied soooo much at school..

And if I wanted him to get off a couch, I would have to say "David Gettoff, get off!!" Or else he would have just thought I said his name or something..

Anyway, RAW VEGAN FOR LIFE BABY!! There is NO better way to eat, we are apes, let's eat like other apes and animals eat! And the only free food you can get by just walking outside and picking it! NATURAL!

[Food4Health1Spirit]

So finding eggs or catching fish isn't natural?

From my perspective, if it can be done without tools, eaten raw and tastes good, it's probably natural food for me.

But I'm no ape, so maybe that's diferent.

[NeedMoreWater]

Sure finding eggs and catching fish is natural, but heating it is'nt. We are the only animals on earth to heat and process our food before eating it.

Let me ask you something before we go into the fact that we are apes (primates), are you religious or are you a person without a religion?

I'm an atheist, Darwin is my friend, we are The Fifth Ape. You don't agree? In that case, what are we? And please, don't say we are humans, because then you have not understood my question or science.

[Food4Health1Spirit]

I am without religion, but I do belief there is some kind of interdimensional plan behind mankind - and all other

species for that matter.

The theory of evolution whas designed to mislead people, not to explain nature.

I think your friend Darwin was a manipulative pervert. He married his first cousin. Because of intermarriages in

earlier generations, they were also related in other ways.

Yes, we are primates, so are the meat eating chimps:

youtube /watch?v=YMXk5Z6-IHY

[NeedMoreWater]

But if you think there is a plan behind oour and other animals existens, then you are not an atheist, I'm sure your beliefs is a religion somewhere, I just don't know what it's called.

Yes, other primates eat meat on occasion, but they do not have a big bbq like we humans do. If we are going to eat meat, then we must eat it raw. Now, I do not want to risk my life eating raw meat, because our develpoment can not take in raw meat as it is without getting sick. So fruit and veggies are food 4 us.

[Food4Health1Spirit]

That's why I marinate my fish overnight in salt and vinegar before eating it raw.

I also like to make mayonaise with raw eggyolk, unpasturized vinegar and cold-pressed oils.

Only if the yolks are fresh and if they smell good and look good.

The salt and the acid from the vinegar should kill any dangerous microbes.

[NeedMoreWater]

What about red meat and other processed meat.. is that a part of your diet? Dairy products too?

[disciplineutube]

Someone should be ashamed of their blatant jealousy of Professor T. Colin Campbell's discovery. Then again that someone has probably got huge investments riding on the livestock / dairy industry to let the truth affect their turnover in the meat and dairy sales. Remember, only a few decades ago, the tobacco industry used doctors to state positive health claims about smoking. Do you smell corruption here too?

[hailingpearl]

The China Study has a lot of references to evidence in Western society and isn't based only on particular research done in China. One of the most prominent being that of Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn Jr.'s work at the Cleveland Clinic in relation to the elimination and prevention of heart disease.

[Onzig]

Talk about holes. He proposes multigenerational studies as the only proof...which becomes a straw man, b/c you could never get reliable data. And, he neglects the fact that significant changes in diet can often manifest in dramatic short term changes. Yes, the long-term view and what is passed along from one generation to another would be of value, but....we haven't even started such a study in motion that gets past the problem of inaccurate self-reporting.

[Coenzyme911]

two more atkins-pinhead wannabes.

[Coenzyme911]

Anyone who believes this disinfo garbage has never donne a single minute on health nutrition research. Google Ornish, Mcdougall, Neal Barnard, Colin Cambell, Esselstyn, Jeff Novick, Furhman...

[SunshineFirwood]

Yep. and then google Weston A Price, Frances M. Pottenger, Edward Howell, Royal Lee, Rosalind Wulzen, Roger Williams, John Tintera, Emmanuel Cheraskin, William A. Albrecht... and read Good Calories Bad Calories by Gary Taubes... and then look for any actual research that supports the lipid hypothesis because there is none.

[Coenzyme911]

There is no research? lol

Stop fooling yourself.

Calorie consumption directly influencies life span and health. Fat has the highest amount of calories of any other macro nutrient. So simple.

Fat you eat is fat you wear.

[redchair9]

Why are the only valid test subjects multi-generational ones? Is his claim that some society must have tried a vegan diet and died off, even though I have no historical knowledge of such a society? Isn't it more likely that out of survival a society might try to eat anything it can and therefore necessarily not be vegan? And if no societies meet his requirement of 5 generations are we to turn a blind eye to decades of research even though it seems to indicate long-term health? Holes huh...

[arey051012]

Most societies wouldn't function properly on a vegetarian diet due to a lack of calories. Meat is almost always included in traditional diets because it is a good source of calories.

In today's society where supermarkets all but guarantee that we will not go hungry, a vegetarian diet becomes sustainable. This is why vegetarians in the US (and especially vegans) do much better on measures of blood pressure, blood cholesterol, rates of heart disease, stroke, and life expectancy.

[xninxx]

i dont think that meat has the most calories. usually third world countries survive mostly on starchy foods, like rice, bread, other grains. meat is a delicacy in most countries.

a veggie diet is very sustainable and if people actually learned about it, they would be healthier and happier

[arey051012]

You're right in saying that starches are the most important source of calories for human beings across the globe, but you can't ignore the effects of mean. I can tell you that there are more calories consumed every year in the 10 billion animals that are being killed for their meat than all the fruits and vegetables put together. Meat is just more calorie dense--this is a big reason why we love it so much.

[xninxx]

reason why more calories are consumed come from meat is bc western diet is too meat based. look at europe. eat less meat than us. and healthier by it.

[SunshineFirwood]

You'll notice in a lot of those countries where they only have starchy foods they have sub-standard health and really messed up teeth. A lot of them don't have the longevity.

A veggie diet will not give you the B12 you need to be happy. And a lot of animals are actually killed... and the ground is polluted in order to get the vegetables and fruit that vegetarians love oh so much.

[xninxx]

mushrooms have vit b12. so does fermented foods, like cabbage. do you know about organic farming? how is ground polluted with organic farming?

[SunshineFirwood]

There is not real B12 in plant sources but B12 analogues--they are similar to true B12, but not exactly the same and because of this they are not bioavailable, (PC Dagnelie & others. Amer J Clin Nutr, 1991, 53:695-7; (b) L Lazarides. The Nutritional Health Bible. (Thorsons Publishing; CA), 1997, 22-23; c) V Herbert. Vitamin B12: plant sources, requirements, & assay. Amer J Clin Nutr, 1988, 48:852-8.)

All vegetarians eat completely organic? Even then, that still leaves animals being killed.

[Coenzyme911]

For someone raised on the Western diet, about 2 to 5 milligrams of B12 are stored, mostly in the liver. This means most people have at least a three year reserve of this vital nutrient. Conservation of B12 by the body boosts the time this supply lasts by 10-fold. After excretion through the bile into the intestines most of the B12 is reabsorbed by the ileum for future use. As a result of this recirculation it actually takes, 20 to 30 years to become deficient after becoming a strict vegan.

[Coenzyme911]

That is if no vitamin B12 were consumed—which is impossible, even on a strict vegan diet, because of bacterial sources of B12 from the persons bowel, contaminated vegetable foods, and the environment.

Case closed.

[SunshineFirwood]

Some vegetarian authorities claim that B12 is produced by certain fermenting bacteria in the lower intestines. This may be true, but it is in a form unusable by the body. B12 requires intrinsic factor from the stomach for proper absorption in the ileum. Since the bacterial product does not have intrinsic factor bound to it, it cannot be absorbed.

L Dunne. Nutrition Almanac, 22-23.

[Coenzyme911]

Wrong.

Only bacteria make biologically active vitamin B12—animal tissues store bacteria-synthesized B12, which can then be passed along the food chain by animals eating another animals tissues. Ruminants (like cows, goats, sheep, giraffes, llamas, buffalo, and deer) are unique in that bacteria in their rumens (stomachs) synthesize vitamin B12, which is then passed down and absorbed by their small intestines.

[Coenzyme911]

The human gut also contains B12-synthesizing bacteria, living from the mouth to the anus.8 The presence of these bacteria is an important reason that disease from vitamin B12 deficiency occurs very rarely in people, even those who have been strict vegetarians (vegans) all of their lives.

[disciplineutube]

B12 or not, don't get bogged down with B12. Instead look at how successfully healthy, energetic and incredible those vegan Shaolin kungfu monks in China. They have been eating a natural vegan diet without supplements, eggs or dairy products for over 1500 years. It is the job of critics, sceptics and doubting Thomas to get their scientific reasonings right in order to match with the observed hard evidence. Not the other way around!

[disciplineutube]

B12 or not, don't get bogged down with B12. Instead look at how successfully healthy, energetic and incredible those vegan Shaolin kungfu monks in China. They have been eating a natural vegan diet without supplements, eggs or dairy products for over 1500 years. It is the job of critics, sceptics and doubting Thomas to get their scientific reasonings right in order to match with the observed hard evidence. Your reasonings does not match real life observations therefore it is baseless.

[wr4aith]

I mean, for every claim, the china study has a ton of references quoted . All i heard in here was one loose argument with no real credible facts, except a generational theory, which is moot considering how different the same piece of food is today vs, the same thing 80 years ago. Very unscientific response.

[Surfer4966]

Great videos; it would be nice if your posted full lenght videos.

[Luitinto]

Let me guess, the guy is a low carb guru.

[dlightseer]

I notice that Mr. Getoff promotes an Atkins style diet on his web page. High protein and fat, low carbohydrate. Seems like you two are peas in a pod. Enjoy your Alzheimers when you get older.

[lyntonio]

ultimately i got nothing from either of you in this video, this video is just a spite filled stab at people that reach for higher ethical ways to nourish them selves than either of these people. secondly if there has never been a vegan or vegetarian (don't think you cant say the last, there is plenty of 5th generation Buddhist vegetarians) society that hasn't lasted 5 generations then you could not have studied them.

[bigusdikus0]

very good vid.

[Razwell]

Excellent info. I think that we all should look to The Lyon Diet Heart Study which showed that increasing fatty fish intake or using fish oil, increasing nutrient dense vegetables and fruits CAD and overall mortality by 81% and 60 % respectively. The death rates dropped so dramatically, the trial had to be stopped early due to ethical reasons.

The Lyon Diet Heart Study can be used as a general guide and if we learn anything new we can add to it .

David Getoff is very smart.

[jontej26]

Look at the American Standard Diet for example. It's considered one of the most advanced nations in the world, yet their diet is often seen as fairly unhealthy. David Getoff says he's "not interested" in a diet that hasn't been used somewhere in the world for at least 5 generations. The fact that a modern society such as the U.S still doesn't have a super healthy diet with all it's technology, indicates to me that humans are still yet to find an ideal diet. I wouldn't discount veganism on this.

[jontej26]

Basically what I'm saying is that we can't base the health of a certain diet on whether it has been used in history or not. Historically, people don't choose their diet. It was dependent on their environment and what resources were available. We also should note that people were not aware of "nutrition" until relatively recently. I think a full belly was more important than whether something was healthy or not. Even now, nutrition is very low on many peoples priorities. If not, why eat junkfood?

[JFHEALTHYandFit]

This was a great interview!!

[UndergroundWellness]

Thanks for posting this!

[TetragrammatonMan]

Sean is Syndacating!