That match is MMA fight. The Karateka is Lyoto Machida (big fan of his), who has trained karate from age of 3 and has earned black belt at age of 13. Right now he is Ufc Light heavyweight champion. He could beat any boxer with eyes shut. Karate is in his veins, he doesn't have to see his opponent, he can feel him. I know all this, because i train karate my self, style Shotokai. Karate is a pure martial art, boxing is a sport. So, you are really stupid if u think boxing beats karate.
Lyoto Machida (the Karate guy who won this match) is a UFC Light Heavyweight Champion, and is considered one of the best fighters in the world, and you say that some boxer would win against him? i'd like to see that.
That's completely subjective nonsense. I respect that you've taken Karate, but your points are not true at all. Provide some factual evidence demonstrating why Boxing is merely a sport. Considering you've taken Karate, it surprises me that you fail to understand the definition and connotations of "MARTIAL art." Although I'm more of a BJJ practitioner and boxer, I have taken Karate myself. There are innumerous situations you need to account for, so no it's not stupid to think that boxing may win.
Machida is a beast and i could out box rich frankilin and i've only boxed for 3 years. his punches are slow, inaccurate and don't get me started on his actual technique.
lyoto machida is liek the best shotokan karateka in the world
im a kyokushin karateka, but i respect him upmost, thers a lot of karate he uses for his striking, of course adapted to mma like all other fighters had to
lol you probably havent ever been to shotokan OR kyokushin or any other karate dojos. let me tell you, that not many teach the actual meaning of it. many just say "fists up, kick, punch" and shit
its not machida karate you dumb fuck, its shotokan adapted to mma. they had to, like everybody else had to adapt
everything machida's dad said in the promos is absolutely true about shotokan, jsut that many dont realise that about karate, ignorant motherfuckers like you
i wudnt go as far as to say that he's the best shotokan karateka in the world, theres obviously people better than him, its just coz he get lots of recognition from mma... but he is still awsome
not a very good boxer and karate also not shown much...both sports are useless as such in mma fights...mma is mixed and you need to mixe staying to just boxing or karate is no good for winning fights..
lyoto machida is very successful in the UFC. rich franklin is also a great fighter. this video didn't give them a chance to showcase their real skills.
i think thats right but a good boxer could take a good fighter karate shoult b uset for defense but boxing is essential (good boxing thats why i dunt watch a lotta mma cuz i am a boxer and i respect mma but win i do watch it sum of their fighters cant box worth crap but sum of dim can and they cant wrestle so its a sport difference
i'd had to agree with you, it's funny how people see a fight and jump to conclusion, most of a time people lose not cause of style but because they basically suck, i used to do karate and boxing and both of sports are great with their own pluses and minuses...
ps i don't know what about fighting that makes everyone think that they're experts, most of a time people have no idea what are they talking about
24miggy24 - Bruce Lee must of been wrong then? After all, what does he know?
And Adraven80 is right. It all depends on the person (to a degree). And, as I said, statisically a boxer would beat a martial artist as there taught how to punch from there feet up. Most martial arts are short contact punching. If Mayweather caught Bruce Lee with a big right he'd out his lights. Can't say the same would happen if it was the other way round.
god damnit i hate it when people parrot this dumb fucking phrase. it obviously matters if you train in a flawed fighting style you fucking moron. holy shit.
judging by the fact you said karatekas you probably train in it and are looking for an excuse to train in a fighting system that does not work at all.
also judging by the fact you said v.s. instead of vs. leads me to believe you are a complete retard
oh yeah, there actually is truth to that phrase, but it doesn't apply to shit like wushu / karate / tang so kimdo wung / anything that makes you worse than being untrained
Not only have I trained in Karate but also Boxing. I'm 3-0 in USA BOXING and have beaten the MD State Golden Gloves Champion.
Also I hold the WAKO Leg Kick Title, and I recently won 1st place in the Diamond State Games No-Gi Submission Wrestling.
I was simply stating my opinion asshole. But I guess low life retards such as yourself have nothing going on in their lives so they have to stir some shit up with others for no apparent reason...
You're an asswipe! Adraven80 was only stating his side of this subject and you had to rip into him for God knows whatever reason. Who the fuck are you? Just hide behind your keyboard and fucking don't say or type anything!
You're all wring. Statisically a Boxer will beat a martial arts expert, for 2 reasons. 1, a boxer is taught how to throw a punch using body weight. 2, boxing is offensive, most martial arts are defensive. If you doubt me - watch Bruce Lee' life story. If he said it, that's good enough for me!
you're very wrong, some martial arts such as muay thai are VERY offensive, and would beat a normal boxer any day. Even karate, which is a defensive style, could still beat a boxer because there's more than just punches, ther is kick elbows, knife hands, with many different takedown.
Most people who train in boxing properly, will have better foot work than most karate people ( if the karate people do not themselves learn boxing foot work ). This gives them an advantage to the old flat footed stances seen in some karate people. Most savvy karate people can adapt . Many do not, and it is those who get beaten. The realy bad punchers from what I have seen in MMA matches are those who have specialized in grappling more than punching.
ok a boxers stance and a karate stance are not even comparable. to say they can be is ignorant. boxing is an offense karate is about counter. DEE DEE DEE. lyoto machida owns anyone anywhere anyways
boxing foot work is shit most of those idiots stand square making them easier targets and are flat footed and not agile. and it depends on the style of karate for the stance aswell they taekwon dickriders have very wide stances isshinryu Okinawan karate is narrower and more agile
I was thinking of Sugar Ray Leonard, and Muhammed Ali's foot work. With regard to Karate foot work, I think that some progressive Shotokan and Shito Ryu people do well. The real trick is to stay fluid and avoid remaining in any one stance, as many karate people of the past ( in the US ) did. Rigid stances don't allow one to adapt well to varied attacks. Some of the smart Shorin Ryu people have nice smaller more mobile stances as well.
The so called karate man has a boxing stance..Karate is not about jabbing and throwing right hands like he tries to do..The boxer is not good..The karate fighter has boxing and kick boxing moves..Both were bad.
I agree that many MMA fighters are terrible punchers , especially those who were wrestlers in highschool and college. They are slow and have no foot work at all. Once they have wrestled first, most can never adapt to boxing well. Sorry if I have offended anyone but it is true.That doesn;t mean that they should not continue fighting however....many wrestlers do quite well regardless.
Thats not true and alotta the mma fighters started off with boxing, stupid generalization. A number of them were pros or at least golden gloves winners
Or do you know from experience. The boxers who switch over are obviously better punchers, but many start out from wrestling and then take boxing lessons. They are the ones who are less than adequate.
I know but thats proving my point Ronin, its a stupid GENERALIZATION, because not all mma fighters are bad punchers with no footwork. I KNOW that alot were golden gloves or started with boxing because its in their backgrounds and when I took mma, only for fun of course, alotta of the people there had moved into it later. Sure some are bad but again thats a big generalization when theres wrestling AND boxing AND bjj AND kickboxing...etc
Correct me if I am wrong, but thats Rich Franklin correct? If he is, that isn't boxing, just because someone trains something superficially similar to boxing. Sorry to burst some peoples bubble bot having a punch basis that encompasses a Jab, Cross, Hook, and an Uppercut doesn't even come close to translating that you know how to box. Boxing has to do with footwork, angles, rhythm and the methods of delivering those punches, among other things. Thai fighters and MMA guys generally cant box, srry
Smart shotokan people use a variety of stances including shorter, when needed. Unfortunately, many still stick to the long low , stiffer stances that do not allow better movement. This has always been a weak point in traditional karate, and makes them vulnerable to some opponents.
It would be wise to train in a way as to remain more supple.
Styles limit people. It is ok to use a single style as a foundation, but then it certainly doesn't hurt to study other systems to give us versatility.
The old masters in Okinawa all learned from each other. Karate , boxing, grappling...they're all good and complement each other .
The reason most of these people are unfamiliar with shotokat is that most shotokan schools don't enter non shotokan tournaments . Those who have only seen lower level shotokan have no idea what advanced training is or what it can accomplish.
Rich Franklin and Machida... Wouldn't the title better be MMA vs MMA? LOL Machida doesn't just use karate. Big part of his style but it's not just one style that he uses; thus the MIXED part. Just a misrep imo. Love watching the vids of boxers gettin whooped by the mma fighters. Have a good one anyway!
yea but his his deafeating rich franklin was due to his stand up fighting and his stand up style as we all know is karate, the point is Karate CAN BE HELPFUL WHEN ADDE TO THE MMA mixture.
LOL and all i am saying is the guy is a brown belt in ju-jitsu. Push comes to shove he's not just a karate fighter... however i'll admit that in this particular video it was a karate based stand up. Go read the guys credentials sometime. He's an all around amazing fighter. Hopefully he stays champ for a long time to come. I'm a fan!
yea but incase u havnt noticedf all of his recent wins have been due to KO or unanimous decision, he meaning they've been mostly stand up wars with him. we all know that he barely uses muay thai in his stand up game, his stance is karate, his infamous straight left, is definitely a karate style punch, his laping in and leap out is from shotokan, and him kicking with his feet instead of his shins while leaning back definitely ist muay thai. he proves that adding karate to mma is useful!
.... are you stupid? I am not arguing that karate isn't useful to add to mma. It's like saying adding wrestling isn't useful. I am pretty much done talking to you when you keep repeating yourself. Good deal man. Not answering any more of your replies.
o ma bad, i must b getting u mixed with osmeone else iw as arguing against. anyoo good im glad you see that karate works thats all i wanted to hear..lol
Thats what Chuck Lidell tried although he was way slower than Ali and their striking abilites is very different. Ali was ten times the striker to Chuck and he would perform like he was when he was at his best...
A boxer needs to train against martial arts fighters but they rarley do that. Martial arts fighters trains to take out boxers all the time..
A boxer needs to know how to block high kicks,low kicks, elbows etc...
This fighter is not a karate man because his stance is like a kick boxer..He is terrible with his hands to. The boxer looks to be 3 class.
Why did the president of the ufc deny Silva to have a boxing match with the old Roy Jones? I guess we all know why...
The best way to use boxing is the way Muhammad Ali fought at his best. Giving angles,use speed and timing from a distance. Get the other fighter to chase you and then strike him.
lol no the karate guy doesnt have a kickboxing stance at all, and his nameis Lyoto Machida. watch one of his highlights and then watch a shotokan karate highlight, his striking and takedowns, are very similar. most of his takedowns are actually Karate sweeps from shotokan. then his kicks arent shin kicks, he kicks with his feet, and leans back wich is from karate. NO LYOTO MACHIDA IS KARATE!!
His stance is certainly not a kickboxing stance as you point out...it is traditional shotokan. He demonstrates what most of us shotokan people have known for years: It works if you train and condition properly.
lol THANK YOU!! and his whole strikiing arsenal, is shotokan, or he calls machida karate!!! its karate and i think these kickboxers out there are too stubborn too except it.
My observation is that most kickboxers have poor stances lack the ability to combine punches and kicks as well as shotokan practitioners do. When kickboxers kick, they can't follow up quickly with other techniques and leave themselves vulnerable. I think this is only the beginning. They will all be rushing to shotokan dojos to learn these combinations.
lol haha who knows. but if you ask me i like the idea of any style works, alot better than one and only style working for hand to hand. lol the idea of being well rounded in grappling and striking is so much better than knowing only one style even if its the best. so ima hold tru to that belief that any style can work if you work hard, and are smart. ^_^
Poor stance? Shotokan has poor stance, agile in and out movement would be too easy to read considering how the flat foot would give it all away. the guard is too low.. And kickboxing utilizes power to its full extent, speed is a factor too, in kickboxing you can throw combinations at fast speeds and devastating angles.
lol no actually karate isnt flat footed, all the time. and btw why is it hat lyoto AND chinzo can survive with it? also wat makes you think you know all about karate stance? lol theres a variety of karate stances and karate styles. you can't compare a muay thai fighter to all the other styles of karate. and the stance doesnt suck, you dont have to be flat footed, some karate fightes like to bouncearound kinda like Ali lol an ALi has proven that to be more effective than just the whole flat floot
We simply can't judge any fighting art against another art. it is more important to learn the strong points from each and make them your own. Why argue about which is best? Who really cares ( other than people who have low self esteem )?
well it could just be a matter of interest maybe someone just wants to be the best......BJJ was great in UCF and Sambo and submission fighting seems to be the rage.........but what i would ask if what fighting style will work in the REAL world
lol i agree why would you want one art to be the best thatd be boring, its best to have variety. not everyone wants to do boxing, muay thai jiu jitsu, judo, etc. some ppl like other styles. YOU NEED OTHER STYLES!!!
So Machida is owning everybody, and suddenly that makes karate the best stand up art? Thing is, Machida is one of a kind. He is an elite level karateka that just beat a crappy boxer in Rashad. Machida is really the exception to the norm; look at home many other fighters use shotokan as their primary style and are successful in MMA.
Lol so Rashad now sucks? I know there is no style better than other, but that just shows how karate can be successful and the many good things about karate.
No. I said his boxing was shitty. Look at the skill of a high-level boxer compared to him. World of difference. This is the same for many mixed martial artists--and even Joe Rogan admitted during the fight that the striking in the UFC does not equal the striking in K-1 or boxing.
Machida, on the other hand, is an elite level karateka, having won the 2001 Pan Am games. So when an amazing karateka kicks the shit out of a crappy boxer, that's hardly grounds to say that "karate owns boxing".
Cross training is the key, No one style covers all ranges of combat. Bruce Lee came up with this over 30 yrs ago, wake up people. Its the best style in each range, Thai boxing in kicking range, Boxing in Punching, Wrestling, Judo, Sambo, and Thai boxing in the clinch, and Bjj, Submission Wrestling and Sambo on the ground. For the streets u should add Filipino Kali, for the weapons aspect or against Multiple opponents, u need a weapon if more than one person with any skill attacks u.
lol you forgot karate, look at lyoto he is winning, and he seems to use ALOT of karate??? i think this vid just proves that Karate can be helpful when added to the mixture.
Just watched some other boxing v karate youtube video's. The boxer won everytime. I've done both contact sports. I was fitter and more confident with boxing.
Show me which ones then. I've done both boxing and kickboxing and you know what, if a boxer gets a kick to the legs he tends to end up limping, dropping his hands or on the ground, to then get kicked to fuck.
Ummm that is Lyoto Machida. He studies Shotokan karate and is now undefeated in UFC and correct me if i'm wrong is about to fight for the lightweight championship. His stance is exactly like a karate stance. As for Franklin I don't think he's a boxer and besides he threw a kick.
ok now you're just assuming you can't kick if your a boxer theres a stance between a boxer and a kickboxer trust me i know i box plus theres freedom in ufc for whatever your discipline is you could kick or punch no matter what
no..... your just not understanding. I didn't say a boxer is unable to throw kicks or even from a boxing stance. A boxer is only suppose to throw punches. So basically if you throw kicks then you are not strictly a boxer.
ok uhmm....you could throw a kick there's freedom into it,associations such as UFC,k1,or pride(examples) doesn't say that if you throw a kick you're not a boxer..for example if a wrestler throws a punch then he's not a wrestler!?
Light heavyweight. The tagline of this video is misleading. This is not a fight between a pure boxer and a pure karateka. Both Lyoto Machida and Rich Franklin are mma fighters, and as such, both study a variety of styles. Though I'm sure Franklin does study boxing, I wouldn't really call him a boxer. He's usually advertised a s a "freestyle fighter". But Machida's main style is shotokan karate.
we obviously have completely different opinions, an arguement that would never be concluded until tyson ever fights lyoto which would never happen, but i know to myself that tyson would finish this guy quick, boxing is a different to sport to this k1 mma watever you want to call it
ur the ignorrant one mate, anybody who is a fight fan and not just an mma lover or lyoto bum shagger, knows simply tyson would destroy the guy, you get offended and try defend this guy with ur bullshit and ur technical explanations i dont care tyson would destroy this guy u cant kick tyson in the head flush especially if he trained for it back in the day he would have put lyoto on his ass starin up at the ceiling
K1 is totally different to MMA mate. There's no grappling or chokes in K1.
Tyson admitted that he would get battered if he ever fought in mma, he even testified that his good mate Tito Ortiz would kill him if they fought.
I dont know about this Iyoto fella, but i'd say 8/10 times it's the boxer that gets beat against a martial artist, and 9/10 against an mixed martial artist fighter (mma/ufc rules). Though i agree, 9/10 a boxer would win under boxing rules, without a doubt, but not on street.
You apparently aren't too familiar with Lyoto Machida. He barely ever gets hit. I doubt he would have a problem avoiding Tyson' punches then countering and knocking Tyson out. And if the fight ever hit the ground (which there is a very good chance that it would) Tyson would be defenseless. You'd either have to be extremely misinformed or just a plain fool to pick Mike Tyson over Lyoto Machida.
you apparently arent too familiar with tyson, if you are, i think u have lyoto fever mate, because theres no way this guy would give tyson a fight in the street in the ring or in the squared circle im sorry but thats just how it goesss
No, I think that you're caught up in Tyson's mystique. If you stepped back and looked at the situation objectively, you'd see that Machida has a much broader skillset then Tyson. Machida has trained for wherever the fight may go (on the feet, in the clinch, on the ground). Tyson has only trained to deliver and defend against punches. Machida is more of a complete fighter then Tyson. That's the difference between boxers and mma fighters. It wouldn't be much of a fight. Mike'd get his ass kicked.
Lyoto wouldn't need any space. Like I said, he's a more complete fighter then Tyson. He' s not just a "karate guy". He trains in several different styles. Tyson could pressure him all he wants. Eventually, he'd find himself in a clinch. From there, Lyoto would have no problem taking him down to the ground and submitting him. I'm telling you, it's not even a fair fight.
No offence mate, but you don't seem to know much about martial arts. If boxers get into a clinch it gets messy and the ref stops it. if a boxer gets into a clinch with a grappler/mma fighter then chances are he's going to get taken to the floor and either choked out, arm-barred into submission or simply mounted and pounded. What skills does a boxer have when he's not on his feet at punching distance? Vurtually none, only untrained instinct.
Boxer made a huge mistake, and the karateka picked him off. A good boxer would have done the same. Excellent timing and power. This was not boxing vs karate. This was mistake vs good technique. Don't drop your guard and lunge into somebody's fist.
wow lol u can totally realize his karate technique in his striking and he uses it beutifully, lol first time i saw him i knew he had to b either TKD or karate. lol i like his stance too.
karate as self defence style is practicaly best thing for real street fights, trust me. but karate as sport (sorry if i ll ofend somebody) is.. well sucks.. true goshin jitsu karate is cardinaly diferent from karate as sport style. those who saying that karate sucks should have fight with good goju ryu karateka and you guys ll see that its same (or even more) deadly as to have fight with boxer. karateka would use strikes into deadly points of body (boxers never doing this, cause they fighting..
...fighting in the rings where rules do exist. box isnt self defense style (but i agree that box is useful in street also) its sport (strong sport who gives posibility to defend yourself in street) and karate originaly is self defense style. karateka would easy stop boxer with strong low kicks or kicks into balls (in self defense karate such strikes are popular). boxers are not trained to defend themselves from such kicks.
anyway everything depends only from art user, not from art.
best defense is atack. and that is goshin jitsu karate. you almost not defending, but attacking all the time. as in any martial art... and im not in karate, im muay thai.
na lol u aint offending anyone i know wat u mean, but nowadyas in america ur kinda wrong, lol i dunno if uv seen it but the all american karate crap really gives us karateka a bad name, nowadays karate seems to suck but its not the style, its the ppl doing it to the art. but yea ur right alot of the techniques in karate really do work.
change the title!!! first off rich franklin isn't a boxer but more a striker...using your hands in mma and boxing are very different AND machida doesn't just use karate but also wrestling, jiu jitsu, great takedown defense...
this guy at my school who does it has tryd to beat me up twice and failed. first tim eh punched me in the face n i slammed him to the ground n booted him in the back.
second time he punched me n i just laughed at him n he did it agen so i smacked him n he fell over, dint get bak up
Totally agree, Karate doesn't prepare u for the adrenaline dump in a real fight ,nor do most martial arts. Its sad to say but true, I've been in many fights growing up in the Bronx, also studied many Martial arts in my life. MMa and the combat arts Boxing/thaiboxing, wrestling, judo, Bjj, etc, have been the only forms of training that have recreated the stress, nervousness, and fear before, during and after a real situation. Whoever disagrees has never been in a real fight, or is full of crap
I've done gym work in boxing and Jiu-Jitsu (and some backyard Muay Thai hahaha). I haven't fought too many times, but I've had my share of action. I'm proud to say I've never had to resort to 'real' damaging strikes. I've faced bigger and stronger people, but they were all but street brawlers who threw hay makers, have no footwork, and no balance. The fight always ends with me in the dominant side of a mount, no need to even throw a strike victory. In my opinion BJJ is the best puritan M art.
Yeah one on one Bjj, usually comes out on top, but you need good take down skills in a street fight. In a bar, or closed space its easy to close the distance, and do a Bjj clinch to a trip or takedown. However, when you're fighting in a wide open area, a park, or the beach, or the street, its not so easy to close the distance and take the guy down. That's why cross training in Wrestling and Bjj, or Sambo\Ju
OHHHH BRAZILLL BRAZILLLL BRAZILLLL....I love my country...we always win
kopalegal 2 years ago
you guys never win
fightfan7 2 years ago
what the fuck? we won the fuckin belt, you fucken fat american looser.
JumentoIdiota 2 years ago
and fuck you troll
JumentoIdiota 2 years ago
machida vs franklin??? i didnt knew they fought each other
lordbako 2 years ago
franklin has been knocked out by the best.
jamgarza1 2 years ago
is this machida vs franklin?
Daski69 2 years ago
That guy is not a boxer! If he were, the short guy would not stand a chance..
Haackzi 2 years ago
That match is MMA fight. The Karateka is Lyoto Machida (big fan of his), who has trained karate from age of 3 and has earned black belt at age of 13. Right now he is Ufc Light heavyweight champion. He could beat any boxer with eyes shut. Karate is in his veins, he doesn't have to see his opponent, he can feel him. I know all this, because i train karate my self, style Shotokai. Karate is a pure martial art, boxing is a sport. So, you are really stupid if u think boxing beats karate.
zouelbouel 2 years ago
That guy wouldn't thrash no top knotch boxer. A smart boxer wouldn't let the karate dood catch him.
scottyeatsbats 2 years ago
A smart karate fighter wouldnt let the boxer catch him...anybody could say the same thing about their type of fighter.
NezSyk 2 years ago
Hahaha that is funny.
Lyoto Machida (the Karate guy who won this match) is a UFC Light Heavyweight Champion, and is considered one of the best fighters in the world, and you say that some boxer would win against him? i'd like to see that.
qraam 2 years ago
That's completely subjective nonsense. I respect that you've taken Karate, but your points are not true at all. Provide some factual evidence demonstrating why Boxing is merely a sport. Considering you've taken Karate, it surprises me that you fail to understand the definition and connotations of "MARTIAL art." Although I'm more of a BJJ practitioner and boxer, I have taken Karate myself. There are innumerous situations you need to account for, so no it's not stupid to think that boxing may win.
ManifestationOfTruth 2 years ago
shotokan in my opinion is the best way to start off from in MMA
CRACKH3ADBOI 2 years ago
lol?I think that you are alone in the world with this opinion:D
kamikaziu 2 years ago
then what is?
CRACKH3ADBOI 2 years ago
lyoto is very good, but franklin is mma not boxing
markdemoridotcom 2 years ago
Franklin is trained in boxing. Hence, mixed martial arts.
NezSyk 2 years ago
seriously who gives a fuck about this.
Machida is a beast and i could out box rich frankilin and i've only boxed for 3 years. his punches are slow, inaccurate and don't get me started on his actual technique.
libtolu 2 years ago
is that lyoto machida??? and rich franklin???
emorejekul 2 years ago 2
nice fight! winner with a mae geri!
depkev 2 years ago
Comment removed
humpty95 2 years ago
1:00 beautifuullllll migaeri !!!!!
CarlitoJohnson 2 years ago
Rich Franklin is far from a true boxer.
illament20 2 years ago 4
And Lyoto Machida's stance is far from Shotokan. But people see what they want to see, I guess.
SHOTOKAN OWNZ BOXING!
It's a greater MMA fighter beating a lesser MMA fighter, that's all.
redbulldog 2 years ago
lyoto machida is liek the best shotokan karateka in the world
im a kyokushin karateka, but i respect him upmost, thers a lot of karate he uses for his striking, of course adapted to mma like all other fighters had to
CarlitoJohnson 2 years ago
You're a retard. Machida uses Machida Karate developed by his father. I don't give a shit how similar it is to your shit, it's not the same.
jrdv86 2 years ago
lol you probably havent ever been to shotokan OR kyokushin or any other karate dojos. let me tell you, that not many teach the actual meaning of it. many just say "fists up, kick, punch" and shit
its not machida karate you dumb fuck, its shotokan adapted to mma. they had to, like everybody else had to adapt
everything machida's dad said in the promos is absolutely true about shotokan, jsut that many dont realise that about karate, ignorant motherfuckers like you
CarlitoJohnson 2 years ago
i wudnt go as far as to say that he's the best shotokan karateka in the world, theres obviously people better than him, its just coz he get lots of recognition from mma... but he is still awsome
EnglandAli 2 years ago
lol)
v1adimir75eas 2 years ago
Какой это нахер боксерррр!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Который от бедра и по колхозному махает.....
Я сам боксер
Ruslan021087 2 years ago
indeed
LiamsMusic78 2 years ago
that aint even karate im a black belt in karate and most of the videos in youtube i watch are serious karate fights, but this is not
thughunter92 2 years ago
rich franklin is not a boxer. he fighting base is "freestyle"
AFGalwayz 2 years ago
not a very good boxer and karate also not shown much...both sports are useless as such in mma fights...mma is mixed and you need to mixe staying to just boxing or karate is no good for winning fights..
mitchmitchell68 2 years ago
lyoto machida is very successful in the UFC. rich franklin is also a great fighter. this video didn't give them a chance to showcase their real skills.
ak50006 2 years ago
i think thats right but a good boxer could take a good fighter karate shoult b uset for defense but boxing is essential (good boxing thats why i dunt watch a lotta mma cuz i am a boxer and i respect mma but win i do watch it sum of their fighters cant box worth crap but sum of dim can and they cant wrestle so its a sport difference
halorap16randy 2 years ago
Everyone calm down :-) it was clearly a head but that did him when they both clashed. Accidental but a but all the same!
DunxMeister 2 years ago
00:59 fukking hell
5gbrown 2 years ago
Comment removed
5gbrown 2 years ago
Hahahahaha vorpal got owned by adreven in the comments. Hehe its funny. Yall should read em.
bigal7071 2 years ago 13
one out of 100 karate fighters will will a fight this must be that one percent....the other 99% of boxers killing mma fighters are on you tube also
mrluke13 2 years ago
i'd had to agree with you, it's funny how people see a fight and jump to conclusion, most of a time people lose not cause of style but because they basically suck, i used to do karate and boxing and both of sports are great with their own pluses and minuses...
ps i don't know what about fighting that makes everyone think that they're experts, most of a time people have no idea what are they talking about
chudoyudo17 2 years ago
Rich Franklin (MMA) vs Lyoto Machida (Karate/MMA)
tauhrahm 2 years ago
24miggy24 - Bruce Lee must of been wrong then? After all, what does he know?
And Adraven80 is right. It all depends on the person (to a degree). And, as I said, statisically a boxer would beat a martial artist as there taught how to punch from there feet up. Most martial arts are short contact punching. If Mayweather caught Bruce Lee with a big right he'd out his lights. Can't say the same would happen if it was the other way round.
qwik23 2 years ago
that's not karate, and that's not boxing
...MMA
reiter0 2 years ago
All this bickering about Boxers V.S. Karatekas is totally pointless...It depends on who the person is not the style.
Adraven80 2 years ago 2
god damnit i hate it when people parrot this dumb fucking phrase. it obviously matters if you train in a flawed fighting style you fucking moron. holy shit.
judging by the fact you said karatekas you probably train in it and are looking for an excuse to train in a fighting system that does not work at all.
also judging by the fact you said v.s. instead of vs. leads me to believe you are a complete retard
vorpal12351 2 years ago
oh yeah, there actually is truth to that phrase, but it doesn't apply to shit like wushu / karate / tang so kimdo wung / anything that makes you worse than being untrained
vorpal12351 2 years ago
Not to mention, I have the credentials to back up my claims...do you?
Adraven80 2 years ago 5
Comment removed
Adraven80 2 years ago
Not only have I trained in Karate but also Boxing. I'm 3-0 in USA BOXING and have beaten the MD State Golden Gloves Champion.
Also I hold the WAKO Leg Kick Title, and I recently won 1st place in the Diamond State Games No-Gi Submission Wrestling.
I was simply stating my opinion asshole. But I guess low life retards such as yourself have nothing going on in their lives so they have to stir some shit up with others for no apparent reason...
Adraven80 2 years ago 5
You're an asswipe! Adraven80 was only stating his side of this subject and you had to rip into him for God knows whatever reason. Who the fuck are you? Just hide behind your keyboard and fucking don't say or type anything!
njpauly1 2 years ago 16
lol u mad
bboynaki 2 years ago
You're all wring. Statisically a Boxer will beat a martial arts expert, for 2 reasons. 1, a boxer is taught how to throw a punch using body weight. 2, boxing is offensive, most martial arts are defensive. If you doubt me - watch Bruce Lee' life story. If he said it, that's good enough for me!
qwik23 2 years ago
you're very wrong, some martial arts such as muay thai are VERY offensive, and would beat a normal boxer any day. Even karate, which is a defensive style, could still beat a boxer because there's more than just punches, ther is kick elbows, knife hands, with many different takedown.
24miggy24 2 years ago
NOT ROY JONES OR AMIR KHAN
bengaliwatwat 2 years ago
Most people who train in boxing properly, will have better foot work than most karate people ( if the karate people do not themselves learn boxing foot work ). This gives them an advantage to the old flat footed stances seen in some karate people. Most savvy karate people can adapt . Many do not, and it is those who get beaten. The realy bad punchers from what I have seen in MMA matches are those who have specialized in grappling more than punching.
Ronin6575 2 years ago
Yeah but the boxing punches can easily be blocked by the karate and a punch be returned
Natt15110031 2 years ago
do you know what you are talking about ???....... You sound pretty confused
iceborn999 2 years ago
no ur wrong, karate has very high stances and good footwork
KitchenSnacksProduct 2 years ago
Go drink some tea.....you confuse things or are simply a dimwit!
Ronin6575 2 years ago
you are so wrong it is not funny
iceborn999 2 years ago
ok a boxers stance and a karate stance are not even comparable. to say they can be is ignorant. boxing is an offense karate is about counter. DEE DEE DEE. lyoto machida owns anyone anywhere anyways
poopride 2 years ago
Machida is about offense and defense and uses his skills very well.
Ronin6575 2 years ago
Machida is a defense fighter
madder06 2 years ago
boxing foot work is shit most of those idiots stand square making them easier targets and are flat footed and not agile. and it depends on the style of karate for the stance aswell they taekwon dickriders have very wide stances isshinryu Okinawan karate is narrower and more agile
sk82soad 2 years ago
I was thinking of Sugar Ray Leonard, and Muhammed Ali's foot work. With regard to Karate foot work, I think that some progressive Shotokan and Shito Ryu people do well. The real trick is to stay fluid and avoid remaining in any one stance, as many karate people of the past ( in the US ) did. Rigid stances don't allow one to adapt well to varied attacks. Some of the smart Shorin Ryu people have nice smaller more mobile stances as well.
Ronin6575 2 years ago
yes both are mma fighters..its not pure boxing against karate...its mixed and the skills are low if we talk boxing.the striking is terrible..
boxingman 2 years ago
The so called karate man has a boxing stance..Karate is not about jabbing and throwing right hands like he tries to do..The boxer is not good..The karate fighter has boxing and kick boxing moves..Both were bad.
boxingman 2 years ago
this is rich Franklin vs machida 2 UFC mma fighters.......
moneyall 2 years ago
And this isn't boxing vs karate you tool, its two mma fighters lol
Ssamonoske 2 years ago 2
I agree that many MMA fighters are terrible punchers , especially those who were wrestlers in highschool and college. They are slow and have no foot work at all. Once they have wrestled first, most can never adapt to boxing well. Sorry if I have offended anyone but it is true.That doesn;t mean that they should not continue fighting however....many wrestlers do quite well regardless.
Ronin6575 2 years ago
Thats not true and alotta the mma fighters started off with boxing, stupid generalization. A number of them were pros or at least golden gloves winners
Ssamonoske 2 years ago
And it's not true because you say it is not true?
Or do you know from experience. The boxers who switch over are obviously better punchers, but many start out from wrestling and then take boxing lessons. They are the ones who are less than adequate.
Ronin6575 2 years ago
I know but thats proving my point Ronin, its a stupid GENERALIZATION, because not all mma fighters are bad punchers with no footwork. I KNOW that alot were golden gloves or started with boxing because its in their backgrounds and when I took mma, only for fun of course, alotta of the people there had moved into it later. Sure some are bad but again thats a big generalization when theres wrestling AND boxing AND bjj AND kickboxing...etc
Ssamonoske 2 years ago
Correct me if I am wrong, but thats Rich Franklin correct? If he is, that isn't boxing, just because someone trains something superficially similar to boxing. Sorry to burst some peoples bubble bot having a punch basis that encompasses a Jab, Cross, Hook, and an Uppercut doesn't even come close to translating that you know how to box. Boxing has to do with footwork, angles, rhythm and the methods of delivering those punches, among other things. Thai fighters and MMA guys generally cant box, srry
ASHeatherton 2 years ago
Smart shotokan people use a variety of stances including shorter, when needed. Unfortunately, many still stick to the long low , stiffer stances that do not allow better movement. This has always been a weak point in traditional karate, and makes them vulnerable to some opponents.
It would be wise to train in a way as to remain more supple.
Ronin6575 2 years ago
Styles limit people. It is ok to use a single style as a foundation, but then it certainly doesn't hurt to study other systems to give us versatility.
The old masters in Okinawa all learned from each other. Karate , boxing, grappling...they're all good and complement each other .
Ronin6575 2 years ago
The reason most of these people are unfamiliar with shotokat is that most shotokan schools don't enter non shotokan tournaments . Those who have only seen lower level shotokan have no idea what advanced training is or what it can accomplish.
Ronin6575 2 years ago
Rich Franklin and Machida... Wouldn't the title better be MMA vs MMA? LOL Machida doesn't just use karate. Big part of his style but it's not just one style that he uses; thus the MIXED part. Just a misrep imo. Love watching the vids of boxers gettin whooped by the mma fighters. Have a good one anyway!
skulker1983 2 years ago
In this fight he used only karate.
JumentoIdiota 2 years ago
yea but his his deafeating rich franklin was due to his stand up fighting and his stand up style as we all know is karate, the point is Karate CAN BE HELPFUL WHEN ADDE TO THE MMA mixture.
shuriken86 2 years ago
LOL and all i am saying is the guy is a brown belt in ju-jitsu. Push comes to shove he's not just a karate fighter... however i'll admit that in this particular video it was a karate based stand up. Go read the guys credentials sometime. He's an all around amazing fighter. Hopefully he stays champ for a long time to come. I'm a fan!
skulker1983 2 years ago
yea but incase u havnt noticedf all of his recent wins have been due to KO or unanimous decision, he meaning they've been mostly stand up wars with him. we all know that he barely uses muay thai in his stand up game, his stance is karate, his infamous straight left, is definitely a karate style punch, his laping in and leap out is from shotokan, and him kicking with his feet instead of his shins while leaning back definitely ist muay thai. he proves that adding karate to mma is useful!
shuriken86 2 years ago
LOL.
.... are you stupid? I am not arguing that karate isn't useful to add to mma. It's like saying adding wrestling isn't useful. I am pretty much done talking to you when you keep repeating yourself. Good deal man. Not answering any more of your replies.
skulker1983 2 years ago
o ma bad, i must b getting u mixed with osmeone else iw as arguing against. anyoo good im glad you see that karate works thats all i wanted to hear..lol
shuriken86 2 years ago
Lyoto Machida the best.
Cleiton123456789 2 years ago
Thats what Chuck Lidell tried although he was way slower than Ali and their striking abilites is very different. Ali was ten times the striker to Chuck and he would perform like he was when he was at his best...
A boxer needs to train against martial arts fighters but they rarley do that. Martial arts fighters trains to take out boxers all the time..
A boxer needs to know how to block high kicks,low kicks, elbows etc...
boxingman 2 years ago
This fighter is not a karate man because his stance is like a kick boxer..He is terrible with his hands to. The boxer looks to be 3 class.
Why did the president of the ufc deny Silva to have a boxing match with the old Roy Jones? I guess we all know why...
The best way to use boxing is the way Muhammad Ali fought at his best. Giving angles,use speed and timing from a distance. Get the other fighter to chase you and then strike him.
boxingman 2 years ago
lol no the karate guy doesnt have a kickboxing stance at all, and his nameis Lyoto Machida. watch one of his highlights and then watch a shotokan karate highlight, his striking and takedowns, are very similar. most of his takedowns are actually Karate sweeps from shotokan. then his kicks arent shin kicks, he kicks with his feet, and leans back wich is from karate. NO LYOTO MACHIDA IS KARATE!!
shuriken86 2 years ago
His stance is certainly not a kickboxing stance as you point out...it is traditional shotokan. He demonstrates what most of us shotokan people have known for years: It works if you train and condition properly.
Shinkyu42 2 years ago
lol THANK YOU!! and his whole strikiing arsenal, is shotokan, or he calls machida karate!!! its karate and i think these kickboxers out there are too stubborn too except it.
shuriken86 2 years ago
My observation is that most kickboxers have poor stances lack the ability to combine punches and kicks as well as shotokan practitioners do. When kickboxers kick, they can't follow up quickly with other techniques and leave themselves vulnerable. I think this is only the beginning. They will all be rushing to shotokan dojos to learn these combinations.
Ronin6575 2 years ago
lol haha who knows. but if you ask me i like the idea of any style works, alot better than one and only style working for hand to hand. lol the idea of being well rounded in grappling and striking is so much better than knowing only one style even if its the best. so ima hold tru to that belief that any style can work if you work hard, and are smart. ^_^
shuriken86 2 years ago
Poor stance? Shotokan has poor stance, agile in and out movement would be too easy to read considering how the flat foot would give it all away. the guard is too low.. And kickboxing utilizes power to its full extent, speed is a factor too, in kickboxing you can throw combinations at fast speeds and devastating angles.
RaynardAlcampor 2 years ago
lol no actually karate isnt flat footed, all the time. and btw why is it hat lyoto AND chinzo can survive with it? also wat makes you think you know all about karate stance? lol theres a variety of karate stances and karate styles. you can't compare a muay thai fighter to all the other styles of karate. and the stance doesnt suck, you dont have to be flat footed, some karate fightes like to bouncearound kinda like Ali lol an ALi has proven that to be more effective than just the whole flat floot
shuriken86 2 years ago
They put world class martial arts fighters in with mediocre and 3 class boxers and thinks that this is how it will go each and everytime...Hallelejua.
Put a world champ boxer in a striking match with any other world champion from the martial arts world and .
boxingman 2 years ago
fuck karate
margoman5 2 years ago
lmao then i guess u should say that too machida 's face who is better known as Light Heavy Weight UFC champ?? lol
shuriken86 2 years ago
Why? What is your point?
Shinkyu42 2 years ago
We simply can't judge any fighting art against another art. it is more important to learn the strong points from each and make them your own. Why argue about which is best? Who really cares ( other than people who have low self esteem )?
Ronin6575 2 years ago
well it could just be a matter of interest maybe someone just wants to be the best......BJJ was great in UCF and Sambo and submission fighting seems to be the rage.........but what i would ask if what fighting style will work in the REAL world
Mider999 2 years ago
lol i agree why would you want one art to be the best thatd be boring, its best to have variety. not everyone wants to do boxing, muay thai jiu jitsu, judo, etc. some ppl like other styles. YOU NEED OTHER STYLES!!!
shuriken86 2 years ago
hehhe machida kicked Rashad's ass, and yes it means that the machida was better, but what made him better was his karate, so karate owns boxing.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
So Machida is owning everybody, and suddenly that makes karate the best stand up art? Thing is, Machida is one of a kind. He is an elite level karateka that just beat a crappy boxer in Rashad. Machida is really the exception to the norm; look at home many other fighters use shotokan as their primary style and are successful in MMA.
dbs19851985 2 years ago
Lol so Rashad now sucks? I know there is no style better than other, but that just shows how karate can be successful and the many good things about karate.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
No. I said his boxing was shitty. Look at the skill of a high-level boxer compared to him. World of difference. This is the same for many mixed martial artists--and even Joe Rogan admitted during the fight that the striking in the UFC does not equal the striking in K-1 or boxing.
Machida, on the other hand, is an elite level karateka, having won the 2001 Pan Am games. So when an amazing karateka kicks the shit out of a crappy boxer, that's hardly grounds to say that "karate owns boxing".
dbs19851985 2 years ago
Lol, it's just making fun of people that think their style is best.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
Cross training is the key, No one style covers all ranges of combat. Bruce Lee came up with this over 30 yrs ago, wake up people. Its the best style in each range, Thai boxing in kicking range, Boxing in Punching, Wrestling, Judo, Sambo, and Thai boxing in the clinch, and Bjj, Submission Wrestling and Sambo on the ground. For the streets u should add Filipino Kali, for the weapons aspect or against Multiple opponents, u need a weapon if more than one person with any skill attacks u.
poohpoohcaca 2 years ago
lol you forgot karate, look at lyoto he is winning, and he seems to use ALOT of karate??? i think this vid just proves that Karate can be helpful when added to the mixture.
shuriken86 2 years ago
lol this is Franklin vs. Machida, hes gonna kick some ass this weekend
omgstoptakingnames 2 years ago
tyson woulda got choked out taken to the ground i would love machida to whip his ass
Adam0rockafella 2 years ago
that boxer was blocking and parryin them punches nicely but when he got kicked that was it
RP88888 2 years ago
Just watched some other boxing v karate youtube video's. The boxer won everytime. I've done both contact sports. I was fitter and more confident with boxing.
electriciansmate 2 years ago
Show me which ones then. I've done both boxing and kickboxing and you know what, if a boxer gets a kick to the legs he tends to end up limping, dropping his hands or on the ground, to then get kicked to fuck.
DW01 2 years ago
realistic fight? yes.
entertaining fight? HELL NO.
fatezor 2 years ago
you say that because your country lose?
Rakatanz 2 years ago
lol this is franklin and machida
yaj84 2 years ago
If that shit was a boxer I am pornstar!! horrible defense!! and the other guy doesn't looks like a Karate Fighter, seems a Kickboxer
omargun 2 years ago
Ummm that is Lyoto Machida. He studies Shotokan karate and is now undefeated in UFC and correct me if i'm wrong is about to fight for the lightweight championship. His stance is exactly like a karate stance. As for Franklin I don't think he's a boxer and besides he threw a kick.
tman229 2 years ago
in ufc you could do anything besides head-butting but a boxer could kick,a wrestler could kick,a brawler could kick also.
tapeduck21 2 years ago
I know but if you kick then technically your not a boxer. Kickboxer maybe but not boxer.
tman229 2 years ago
ok now you're just assuming you can't kick if your a boxer theres a stance between a boxer and a kickboxer trust me i know i box plus theres freedom in ufc for whatever your discipline is you could kick or punch no matter what
tapeduck21 2 years ago
no..... your just not understanding. I didn't say a boxer is unable to throw kicks or even from a boxing stance. A boxer is only suppose to throw punches. So basically if you throw kicks then you are not strictly a boxer.
tman229 2 years ago
ok uhmm....you could throw a kick there's freedom into it,associations such as UFC,k1,or pride(examples) doesn't say that if you throw a kick you're not a boxer..for example if a wrestler throws a punch then he's not a wrestler!?
tapeduck21 2 years ago
Light heavyweight. The tagline of this video is misleading. This is not a fight between a pure boxer and a pure karateka. Both Lyoto Machida and Rich Franklin are mma fighters, and as such, both study a variety of styles. Though I'm sure Franklin does study boxing, I wouldn't really call him a boxer. He's usually advertised a s a "freestyle fighter". But Machida's main style is shotokan karate.
capfudge 2 years ago
we obviously have completely different opinions, an arguement that would never be concluded until tyson ever fights lyoto which would never happen, but i know to myself that tyson would finish this guy quick, boxing is a different to sport to this k1 mma watever you want to call it
chukpart 2 years ago
Is that all your opinion is based on? The fact that you like boxing better than mma? If so, that's a bit ignorrant.
capfudge 2 years ago
ur the ignorrant one mate, anybody who is a fight fan and not just an mma lover or lyoto bum shagger, knows simply tyson would destroy the guy, you get offended and try defend this guy with ur bullshit and ur technical explanations i dont care tyson would destroy this guy u cant kick tyson in the head flush especially if he trained for it back in the day he would have put lyoto on his ass starin up at the ceiling
chukpart 2 years ago
K1 is totally different to MMA mate. There's no grappling or chokes in K1.
Tyson admitted that he would get battered if he ever fought in mma, he even testified that his good mate Tito Ortiz would kill him if they fought.
I dont know about this Iyoto fella, but i'd say 8/10 times it's the boxer that gets beat against a martial artist, and 9/10 against an mixed martial artist fighter (mma/ufc rules). Though i agree, 9/10 a boxer would win under boxing rules, without a doubt, but not on street.
DW01 2 years ago
Machida is does karate and mma , not boxing..
shuriken86 2 years ago
if that was tyson when the karate guy missed that kick it would have been lights out
1of2dogs 2 years ago
Lyoto Machida (the "karate guy" in this video) is an mma fighter and would make Mike Tyson his bitch.
capfudge 2 years ago
hahahahahha 20 seconds and no strikes thrown? i dont think this guy wud even give tyson a challenge.
chukpart 2 years ago
You apparently aren't too familiar with Lyoto Machida. He barely ever gets hit. I doubt he would have a problem avoiding Tyson' punches then countering and knocking Tyson out. And if the fight ever hit the ground (which there is a very good chance that it would) Tyson would be defenseless. You'd either have to be extremely misinformed or just a plain fool to pick Mike Tyson over Lyoto Machida.
capfudge 2 years ago
you apparently arent too familiar with tyson, if you are, i think u have lyoto fever mate, because theres no way this guy would give tyson a fight in the street in the ring or in the squared circle im sorry but thats just how it goesss
chukpart 2 years ago
No, I think that you're caught up in Tyson's mystique. If you stepped back and looked at the situation objectively, you'd see that Machida has a much broader skillset then Tyson. Machida has trained for wherever the fight may go (on the feet, in the clinch, on the ground). Tyson has only trained to deliver and defend against punches. Machida is more of a complete fighter then Tyson. That's the difference between boxers and mma fighters. It wouldn't be much of a fight. Mike'd get his ass kicked.
capfudge 2 years ago
tysons a pressure fighter, when the bell rings tyson wouldnt give this guy a chance to do his KARATE BULLSHIT it would be lights out for lyoto.
and if u still think lyoto would win let me repeat , TYSON WOULDNT LET HIM HAVE ANY SPACE TO DO ANYTHING!
chukpart 2 years ago
Lyoto wouldn't need any space. Like I said, he's a more complete fighter then Tyson. He' s not just a "karate guy". He trains in several different styles. Tyson could pressure him all he wants. Eventually, he'd find himself in a clinch. From there, Lyoto would have no problem taking him down to the ground and submitting him. I'm telling you, it's not even a fair fight.
capfudge 2 years ago
No offence mate, but you don't seem to know much about martial arts. If boxers get into a clinch it gets messy and the ref stops it. if a boxer gets into a clinch with a grappler/mma fighter then chances are he's going to get taken to the floor and either choked out, arm-barred into submission or simply mounted and pounded. What skills does a boxer have when he's not on his feet at punching distance? Vurtually none, only untrained instinct.
DW01 2 years ago
boxing is shit id rather do Karate then boxing
sirmichael8 2 years ago
hahaha probli cos u got ur ass kicked in the boxin ring dont hate mate
chukpart 2 years ago
There's nothing better than boxing to learn how to punch hard and quick. Nothing.
Unfortunately, that's all it does, and you need to learn more than boxing to be competent in the street.
Don't hate on boxing, see it's advantages and use it to increase your 'overall' skills.
DW01 2 years ago 3
is that Franklin and Machida wen did they fight?
Cezer35 2 years ago
Machida is not a karate only fighter. He is EVERYTHING
Tsaunders1307 2 years ago
this isnt even a boxer, its Rich Franklin, an mma fighter whos never had a boxing match before in his life....
a little bit deceiving, eh?
black713irish 2 years ago
amen
pistolpete0500 2 years ago
it`s a mixed martial artist fight . one have background in box and the other in karate
politeista12 2 years ago 2
Comment removed
jabjazjabbajazza 2 years ago
That's not a boxer what boxer is that? what's his pro career? He looked like some1 who would have a 3-9-2 record
beenz08 2 years ago
It's Rich Franklin
K2ThaPhukkinC 2 years ago
Boxer made a huge mistake, and the karateka picked him off. A good boxer would have done the same. Excellent timing and power. This was not boxing vs karate. This was mistake vs good technique. Don't drop your guard and lunge into somebody's fist.
noisepuppet 2 years ago
wow lol u can totally realize his karate technique in his striking and he uses it beutifully, lol first time i saw him i knew he had to b either TKD or karate. lol i like his stance too.
shuriken86 2 years ago
lol...this is lyoto machida vs rich franklin..both are mix martial artists....
deidei20 2 years ago
karate as self defence style is practicaly best thing for real street fights, trust me. but karate as sport (sorry if i ll ofend somebody) is.. well sucks.. true goshin jitsu karate is cardinaly diferent from karate as sport style. those who saying that karate sucks should have fight with good goju ryu karateka and you guys ll see that its same (or even more) deadly as to have fight with boxer. karateka would use strikes into deadly points of body (boxers never doing this, cause they fighting..
rukapashnik 2 years ago
...fighting in the rings where rules do exist. box isnt self defense style (but i agree that box is useful in street also) its sport (strong sport who gives posibility to defend yourself in street) and karate originaly is self defense style. karateka would easy stop boxer with strong low kicks or kicks into balls (in self defense karate such strikes are popular). boxers are not trained to defend themselves from such kicks.
anyway everything depends only from art user, not from art.
rukapashnik 2 years ago
btw sorry guys for my broken english
rukapashnik 2 years ago
that is miss leading boxer can adapt to that karate just flat out sucks a real boxer can take him out in a second in a real fight
theebeastz 2 years ago
but boxers have better defense....you must be in karate to make all of these accusation
theebeastz 2 years ago
best defense is atack. and that is goshin jitsu karate. you almost not defending, but attacking all the time. as in any martial art... and im not in karate, im muay thai.
rukapashnik 2 years ago
all in all its depends on skill of the fighter
theebeastz 2 years ago
haha every sport martial art isnt pracitical, the actual martial art however are almost always deadly.
SamuiHakai 2 years ago
na lol u aint offending anyone i know wat u mean, but nowadyas in america ur kinda wrong, lol i dunno if uv seen it but the all american karate crap really gives us karateka a bad name, nowadays karate seems to suck but its not the style, its the ppl doing it to the art. but yea ur right alot of the techniques in karate really do work.
shuriken86 2 years ago
change the title!!! first off rich franklin isn't a boxer but more a striker...using your hands in mma and boxing are very different AND machida doesn't just use karate but also wrestling, jiu jitsu, great takedown defense...
OrangemenSU2012 2 years ago
it all depends on the martial artist
shorinryukaratedo123 2 years ago
lol karate is shit enit.
this guy at my school who does it has tryd to beat me up twice and failed. first tim eh punched me in the face n i slammed him to the ground n booted him in the back.
second time he punched me n i just laughed at him n he did it agen so i smacked him n he fell over, dint get bak up
gooomj 3 years ago
Nice rationalization.
mrmaybe 2 years ago
Totally agree, Karate doesn't prepare u for the adrenaline dump in a real fight ,nor do most martial arts. Its sad to say but true, I've been in many fights growing up in the Bronx, also studied many Martial arts in my life. MMa and the combat arts Boxing/thaiboxing, wrestling, judo, Bjj, etc, have been the only forms of training that have recreated the stress, nervousness, and fear before, during and after a real situation. Whoever disagrees has never been in a real fight, or is full of crap
poohpoohcaca 2 years ago
I've done gym work in boxing and Jiu-Jitsu (and some backyard Muay Thai hahaha). I haven't fought too many times, but I've had my share of action. I'm proud to say I've never had to resort to 'real' damaging strikes. I've faced bigger and stronger people, but they were all but street brawlers who threw hay makers, have no footwork, and no balance. The fight always ends with me in the dominant side of a mount, no need to even throw a strike victory. In my opinion BJJ is the best puritan M art.
RaynardAlcampor 2 years ago
Yeah one on one Bjj, usually comes out on top, but you need good take down skills in a street fight. In a bar, or closed space its easy to close the distance, and do a Bjj clinch to a trip or takedown. However, when you're fighting in a wide open area, a park, or the beach, or the street, its not so easy to close the distance and take the guy down. That's why cross training in Wrestling and Bjj, or Sambo\Ju