Also Ottoman was not a real language in the sense that it was not used by the population. It was only used in the Ottoman court. When the Ottomans fell naturally there was no one left to use it. Those Arabic and few Persian words that you are talking about are still used in Turkey, and naturally there are Turkish synonyms for most of those words, which goes to show how little you know about Ataturk and modern Turkish.
Ok mr. hckia and who is responsible for the ethnic hatred? Non other than pahlavi. Dont blame Turkish nationalism for it. The facts that the Seljuks encouraged Persian is a testiment to the tolerance and open mindedness of Turkish culture. So why cant the Persians do the same today in Iran? Why must they force Farsi upon non-Persians, why cant you guys be tolerant and open minded?
Azeris found Modern Iran (I'm saying this as a Persian) and if they are the descendents of Seljuk torks unlike other torks they adopted embrassed and encouraged Persian culture, they did not feel the ethnic hatred we have now for each other.
Fuck your Aryan and Turkish Nationalism - You'll all tear Iran apart.
Aydin you have no idea what youre talking about my Azeri professor probably knows more middlePersian than you will ever know. Persian still has its roots embedded in (Old Persian) and Pahlavi and naturally over time has come a change to return to those roots (Unlike ataturk who forced most Persian/Arabic out of the language, otherwise there's very little difference between Ottoman and Azeri).
iran is the country of şii's not fars or turks, this is the reason why the turkish parts of the iran and azerbaycan are never be a part of ottoman or turkey.
Sal7894; if persian culture is so great as you say why there is not even one icon of woman in perspolis (takhte jamshid)??? why?? but we see woman's picture in egypt's ancient places every where!!!
if egypts kings could make that 3000 years ago why not persians could do it 2500 years ago? pls explain to me!!
More than twenty women appear in Shahnameh, all of them are wise, intelligent and respectable women. Two women, Homai and Gardieh, become kings of Iran in these stories. Ferdowsi himself married an educated and kind woman. The beauty of Persian girl and Persian mentality can be seen in numerous masterpieces of persian paintings and miniatures.
Such traditions continued into Sassanid times, however with less extent. Purandokht, who were daughter of king Khosrau II ruled Persian empire for almost two years before resigning, and women can be seen on some Sassanid reliefs as well. In Shahnameh, the greatest persian poet and Iranologist, Ferdowsi, tried to offer a picture of persian women.
Sal7894: with all respect you didn't read complete 'shahname' of ferdosi, in shahneme there is a line like this:
zanan ra setai sagan ra seta.. ke yek sag beh bovad az 1000 zan!!
its there please go read for yourself or give me your address i gladly mail you the copy of that page!
you pushed the wrong button by mentioning ferdosi's name coz he is the founder of ethnic conflict in iran by insulting turks and arabs in iran in his book!
High-born women even exercised an influence on affairs of state. Female members of the Achaemenid royal family possessed their own estates, and documents survive showing their active involvement in management: letters relate to the shipment of grain, wine, and animals to palaces from distant land-holdings. The only limits on the extent of the authority exercised by the King's mother, for instance were set by the monarch himself.
In farsi are some arabic and torkish words and in turkey are some arabic and farsi words. so what?! In turkey the people lernt (before atatürk)farsi in the school. I waste my time with you. nobody in this world is 100% from one ethnic group. during the centuries the people and the different cultures get mixed. and in every countrey there are different peoples - also in iran and in turkey there are a lot of other ethnical people. so what?! I stop writing and I don't answer again.
Sal7894: Did you know that over 40% of farsi language is made up of Arabic,Turkish & Hindu? well aside from united nations report i will give you one easy reference, go open 'HAYYEM' or 'AMID' farsi to farsi dictionary, In front of most of the words there is the root of the word! I have seen it, alot of Arabic word! NO persian can speak farsi without using Arabic words,we dont have no or very few word from farsi in our language but you have alot turksih words in farsi!
Woman had no value among Persians before Islam! I read that in American article coz they calim unlike in egypt that there is a picture and statue of woman in ancient places in Iran you can NOT find one woman picture in Takhte jamshid! is this lie also? is its lie pls send me a picture of a woman in Takhte jamshid!
sal7894: its so patethic and obvious what you and other persians are trying hard to do, and thats to steal Azerbaijani pride for your selves coz you got nothing from your own! Sattar khan was born In Tabriz and was pure Azeri! this is the same bullshit that Iran sells Tabriz's carpet outside Iran as Persian carpet! you know what those stuff are getting little older, try something new!
sal7894:I don't blame you at all,if i was a persian also it would be very hard to accept the facts and i would say more than you saying now to fool myself and others, but its now an information age, everyday more and more Azeri getting access to sources to read the facts! I can promise you one thing here and thats Azeri's in Iran are waken up and will wake uo others too! what I hope is that iran wont become second balkan (yuguslavi) coz this time everyone knows Turks will set fire on Iran.
Sal7894: did you know there is nothing such as persian carpet?? carpet in Iran is belong to azeri turks, no fars in iran can make hand carpet, those carpets in centrla iran is also made by 'ghashgai turks' infact i will cheer if you tel me whats carpet word in farsi? FARSH is an Arabic word and GHALI is Turkish word!! pls. tel me what's farsi or persian word for carpet? ;D
all you boys dont seem to understnd, In the quran, when God decided to creat Man, he said to the angels, I will create a Leader onto the earth,this means he will govern the earth according to the laws of God, and not man? Hence, the earth must be ruled with a correct religon.
1300 years what in Gods name are you talking about? The whole Arab experience lasted 200 years at best. İf you are referring to the Ottomans, please note that they used Islam to keep its large Arab population in line, and look what happened in the end, to the Arabs Arab nationalism and Arab unity was more important than Muslim brotherhood.
IF YOU REALLY GET INTO IT ISLAM IS THE BASIC PRINCIPLE OF LIFE--SUBMISSION TO GOD. If you believe in this with all of your heart it seems to change ones perspective. I have always heard that Religion and Politics don't mix, but both religion and politics themselves are artificial divisions of the life of a society. There is no reason, that ones faith in God and submission to him should be seperated from the life they live both public and private including legislative if it applies.
Muhamad the prophet encouraged the faith and integrity of faith in his community. He was then led to organize a nation and given wisdom to address the needs of the society. The nation lasted for 1300 years with ups and downs. Naturally the most basic value of the society was submission to God.
What will the most basic value generally be of a capitalist society? The answer is materialism, and it leads to much more war and suffering than the Islamic Society ever did. Just food for thought.
Turkey is going thru an Islamic crisis, the political Islamist want to bring Sharia law to this land and turn it into another Iran. You have no idea what has been done to Iran in Islams name, you have this romantic notion that Islam will solve everything. You could not be more wrong my friend. I used to think like you when I lived in the US. Seeing thing firsthand is a different experinence.
Actually in most of northwest Iran Turki is the spoken language, you would have no problem living in Tabriz for example. I live in Turkey and I am an Azeri Turk, and I too want the glory of the Turks to shine, but without Islam please, at least in the political arena.
We have thought of it, but my wife and I don't speak Persian. We are Turks, and are trying to make a move to Turkey. In Turkey we would be with our people and we love our people. Persia be strong! Prosperity be to the Azeri's as well! May the glory of the Turks shine! America, to hell with you freedom hating cowards!
Islam is a useless and outdates tool just like the other semitic religions that it copies. Please keep it between you and God and leave it out of governance.
Steward you present passe and backward ideas in polished and very consice fashion which leads me to believe that you would have made a good politician or lawyer or a PR guy, and maybe you are. You make Iran seem like a decent place to live you even recommend American muslims to migrate to Iran. Either you know nothing of Iran, or you have an Islamic agenda.
The long and the short of democracy is that minority viewpoints are not adequately represented anywhere in the world. The Ottoman empire, developed a superior system to allow minorities adequate representation without sacrificing the values of the majority. See "Millet" in wikipedia at: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millet_%28Ottoman_Empire%29> However, no system except perhaps Communism is going to give minorities an equal voice to that of the majority in decision and policy making.
Now, if you succeed in overthrowing and establishing a secular democracy similar to Turkey for instance, you will now find easy agreement with policy, but the Muslim majority will be excluded because they cannot seperate religion from their politics. In the Islamic democracy, however, the system was set up to try to fit the majority.
Now with a discontent majority, you will need military oversight similar to that of Turkey for instance, which will interfere with the functioning of the democracy in the same way the oversight of the Mullahs seem to now, correct?
In conclusion, if you seek democracy to be as fare as possible to you and to the majority of Iran, you should immigrate to a democracy where you are in the majority, and let Iran be Islamic.
In other words you mean: If my neighbour does not accept what I think and what I say, then he should be cleared off. You use the word "immigration" for that.
You express in your comment the core of religious thought: Only what I believe is true.
Do you remember the statement of Shah in TV as he found his Rastakhiz party: He said should anyone refuse this new party, he will get his pass and can immigrate.
Do you see the similarity in Shah's statement at that time and yours today?
I appreciate your ideas. And you are not alone. Minority viewpoints oftenwant to transform the majority. However, it is no different in any democracy. In America for instance, many Muslims would like to convert the country into an Islamic democracy. However their time and efforts woold be better spent amongst a people who are already Muslim.
For this reason I advise Muslims not to go out of their way to integrate unless their conscience is with them. If the non-Muslim society does not accept them and allow them the freedom of expression the desire. They should pick up their househlods and families and move to a land worthy to invest their lives in. Perhaps for some American Muslims this land is Iran.
Islam and really all the semitic religions only divide people, it actually keeps people from understanding each other, it is the biggest obstacle to a better life on earth. If you want to go to the mosque and pray, go ahead, but leave it out politics and dont force it on anybody else. Keep it between you and God.
Kirischi, historically, Islam has been a unifyer of diverse ethnicities throughout the world. And, the effect has been that where Islam came, people retained the majority of theri own culture even after embracing Islam. With Christianity, peoples have hisorically been divided and those who embraced it have left mostly left their own cultures. However, some modern Christian mission activities have been less damaging to indiginous cultures.
Steward, I know that Turks come in all shapes. But you misunderstood my statement. Anyway yes let all speak in the language they want. And that is the problem, let us educate our children in our mother-tongue, as the majority in Iran it should be our right, dont you think? By the way Islam has brought nothing but backwardness, and Iran is the prime example
First what is the importance of insisting that I am from Tel Aviv? I guess you hate Jews, frankly I dont care whether you like or hate Jews but if you are going accuse me of being a Jew you should provide proof, otherwise you sound a like a defeated faggot repeating untrue accusations against the guy that made you feel like doushebag.
The Ayatollah is elected and constitutionally he can be booted out at any time. He only has power so long as he upholds the elders expectations. Now the elders (supreme councel) are also elected. However they are not elected by the people, but by the elders of the people. However the elders of the people can not hold their position long without public acceptance. Am I right so far?
So this Intricate system is set up to see that the democratically elected government upholds the principles and constitution of the Republic and that all elections are according to those principles. Am I still getting it right?
Now, If you are a very sincere follower of Islam you are in the Majority in Iran, correct?
If however you are not a believer, you are not part of the majority, and as in any Democracy, you will often be disapointed by your government. If you are encouraged by western stirring this disapointment might even lead you to seek their help in trying to overthrow your government, correct?
76 Islam is we have so many backwardass narrow-minded people in both Turkey and Iran. DOWN WITH ISLAM. ISLAM HAS REPRESSED OUR PEOPLE LONG ENOUGH, GO AWAY PLEASE...
Actually you are fake, biraz oz dilinde danis gurumsag, You dont even spell Tebriz like we Azeris do, what is your purpose? Who cares about street names? Gel oz dilinde danis yoxsa oz dilin farsidi?
So what exatcly is the point of calling me a jew? Are you really so dim-witted? Is that all you got? You cant verbally challenge me so you resort to calling me a jew? I dont even think you are 21, I think you are 11 and you just had your first ejaculation. Doushebag.
Man this is pathetic, you 2 fag hacks teamed up on me and still cant come up with a good comeback, in fact you sissies copy each others weak comments. Hows the weather in Tel Aviv, I am still crying over that one. So tell me is ijefij the one takes it or is it you?
You are weak, you've got nothing. Your comebacks are as weak as a reshti cowards should be. I have answered everything, men birsey gizletmiremki, why dont you find a forum about the reshtis, you know under some topic like how to curb prostitution. I mean both you and bayern have been manhandled by me, do you really want more verbal abuse that you cant handle.
Your dad prefers farsi? And you are calling me a fake. You are not even Azeri, you are some doushebag farsi xer. Mene Azerice cevab bile verebilmirsen, senide Iranida Allah yixsin.
The weather in Tel Aviv is cloudy, just like you and gay xer friend bayerns head. How about I describe the road to a resthi womans bed; give her husband 20 dollars. You 2 fags dont even know Azeri, why are you two sticking your ugly noses here? This video is about the cause of my people, it is not about 2 sissy farsi fags who wet their pants when they see my people stand.
hahaha, i tell you, youtube can be a GREAT place to make friends, we have already emailed and will meet oneday soon. don't be jealous kirischi. one thing still remains: you have not described anything about the place that "you visit alot" you dumb fuck.
JEALOUS! are you serious? that I would jealous of two guys that met on youtube who are probably going to have gaynal sex. Just one piece of advice, take plenty of condoms cause you know those reshtis they sleep around alot. See I am looking out for you even though you have been persified. So take it easy try not to get too many rug burns.
i know you keep writing in turkish and keep wanting iranians to split up, but you still have not answered extreemly simple questions about the place you "visit alot" you dumb fuck.
I wrote to you in the language of my father, do you know the language of your father? This is not about Iran, it is about having respect for the culture and language of ones father. Apperantly respect was something you did not learn about.
After the damned Arabs occupation of Iran for centuries, many Iranians were forced to speak Arabic. That did not make them Arabs. Most Arabic speaking Iranian living in the south were Arabized the same way. All of Iran must be united fighting the Mullahs. Long Live Iran, United.
Ethnically, Azaries are not Turks, they are Iranians forced to speak Turkish for centuries. In fact, a portion of people living inTurkey itself, are ethnically Iranians. The real Turks migrated to present day Turkey from central Asia. They are more Oriental looking. Turkeman, a Persian phrase meaning Turk Manand, describes how the Turk looked; Asian. Iranian Turks do not have Asian features. Long Live Iran, United.
Strange thought. You obviously have never been to Turkistan. Turks have nearly every look you can imagine. Just look at the Uyghurs. Some look like fair skinned fair haired Europeans. Some have curly hair. Some look Mongolian.
My wife is Uyghur. Persians think she is Persian. Kazaks think she is Kazak, Koreans think she is Korean, Uzbeks think she is Uzbek, Kyrgyz think she is Kyrgyz.
My wife's grandmother on her mom's side was almost 2 meters high and blue eyed. Her grandfather on her fathers side had green eyes. She has brown eyes. Some of the most ancient records of the Kyrgyz are of redish brown haired, green eyed thick bearded people. Now many look almost mongolian. Other Kyrghyz villages look Persian. Turks are not an ethnicity even in their homeland that can be easily discribed upon appearance.
And by the way Turks and Persians have always flourished side by side as brothers why do you want to promote nationalism now. Let the Turk speak Turkish and the Fars speak Fars and let them all understand each other as it was historically. We are nothing without each other. Oh and let the Kurd speak Kurdish in Turkey and whereever. Down with all Western style governments. Long live Islamic rule.
Sal7894: Your an idiot. Persians were wild tribes that came to this reagion (central Iran) from Syberia.. it is a fact and its is in your own history books. go read for your self, your obviously don't know nothing about history! did you know that cyrus (darioush) was killed by a Turkish women? did you know that Sasanian kings were getting married to their own sisters and mothers coz they believed kings are gods and should not mix their blood with others? its all in the history books go read!
sal7894: do you know that woman has no value in the persian culture?? Its true coz your great poetrist (FERDOSI) has said in his book that: ''yek sad beh bovad az 100 zan'' (meaning one dog is much better than 100 woman) If you think its not true go read ferdosi's shahname.. Its there... So pls stop the bull shit crap of persian persian!!! You had 2 or 3 kings in the stone ages and thats it, Iran was rules all by Azarbaijani Kings for the last 1000 years until 90 years ago!
before the islamic invasion the woman had a big value in the persian culture. it was equality between weman and men. Don't tell lies. I know the real Shahnameh and what you saying it's bullshit. the emblem lion and sun (the motif uses also by rostam) based on mithraism. in mithraism and zoroastrianism there's equality between men and women.
The regime of God-damned Arabized Mullahs must be defeated. The Azaries, as well as all other Iranians, must work toward that goal. Ignorance must be stopped. Azaries are as much Iranian as anyone else. They made up a good portion of the Imperial military, including its top brass, with complete trust. Due to the occupation of portions of Iran, Azaries have been influenced by the Turks, linguistically. Long Live Iran, United.
Sal my father is from Tabriz, needless to say I have been there many times, have much family there, and most of my friends are from Iran. So please, please do not try to teach me about Iran, I already know too much. Yes Turks are an integral part of Iran, but they need to be educated in their own language, as a majority of the population this is our God-given right.
Sal I am an Azeri Turk, and I love my people, if that makes me a pan-Turk then so be it. Khamenei might have the appearance of having the last word in Iran but really does not. The governing machinenary is mostly Fars, and the key figures behind the curtain are mostly Fars and some sell-out Turks who work to preserve the status quo.
Sal I am an Azeri Turk, and I love my people, if that makes me a pan-Turk, so be it. I have nothing against the Fars people, I simply want Turki to be an official language alongside Farsi in Iran. Khamenei has the appearance of having the last word. The beuracracy and the machienary of Iran is Fars dominated, which is not a secret.
kirischi are you a pan turk? don't tell lies! I don't care about ethnical thinks. are in turkey every habitants turkish? no I don't think so. iranian azaris are iranian they belong to iran. the iranian persians and the iranian azaris are like carrots & peas they belong together, also the iranian kurds, mazandaris, etc......we are iran!
Yes sal in fact there is no such thing as an Azari. The Supreme leader is Azeri, but he works for the Fars regime, he works against the interests of his own people. If you dont believe the Azeris are the majority in Iran you should look up the UN`s findings for the ethnic make-up of Iran. Dont just take my word for it. And lastly down with the Irani government.
Sal7894: Its seems to me that either you fucking blind or you dont know the facts!! Azeri population in Iran is estimate over a 30 million, if we add Arabs, Kurds, Turkmans and balooch population to that the persian population is less than 50% of total Iranian population which that puts Azeri in majority!! GOT IT? jende!!!
Also Ottoman was not a real language in the sense that it was not used by the population. It was only used in the Ottoman court. When the Ottomans fell naturally there was no one left to use it. Those Arabic and few Persian words that you are talking about are still used in Turkey, and naturally there are Turkish synonyms for most of those words, which goes to show how little you know about Ataturk and modern Turkish.
kirischi 5 years ago
Ok mr. hckia and who is responsible for the ethnic hatred? Non other than pahlavi. Dont blame Turkish nationalism for it. The facts that the Seljuks encouraged Persian is a testiment to the tolerance and open mindedness of Turkish culture. So why cant the Persians do the same today in Iran? Why must they force Farsi upon non-Persians, why cant you guys be tolerant and open minded?
kirischi 5 years ago
Azeris found Modern Iran (I'm saying this as a Persian) and if they are the descendents of Seljuk torks unlike other torks they adopted embrassed and encouraged Persian culture, they did not feel the ethnic hatred we have now for each other.
Fuck your Aryan and Turkish Nationalism - You'll all tear Iran apart.
hckia 5 years ago
Aydin you have no idea what youre talking about my Azeri professor probably knows more middlePersian than you will ever know. Persian still has its roots embedded in (Old Persian) and Pahlavi and naturally over time has come a change to return to those roots (Unlike ataturk who forced most Persian/Arabic out of the language, otherwise there's very little difference between Ottoman and Azeri).
hckia 5 years ago
emperor please, to hell with shiaism and sunnism, and to hell with Iran, long live Azerbaycan
kirischi 5 years ago
iran is the country of şii's not fars or turks, this is the reason why the turkish parts of the iran and azerbaycan are never be a part of ottoman or turkey.
emperor84 5 years ago
Gender equality has been one of the basic principles of Persian culture for centuries.
sal7894 5 years ago
Sal7894; if persian culture is so great as you say why there is not even one icon of woman in perspolis (takhte jamshid)??? why?? but we see woman's picture in egypt's ancient places every where!!!
if egypts kings could make that 3000 years ago why not persians could do it 2500 years ago? pls explain to me!!
aydin220 5 years ago
More than twenty women appear in Shahnameh, all of them are wise, intelligent and respectable women. Two women, Homai and Gardieh, become kings of Iran in these stories. Ferdowsi himself married an educated and kind woman. The beauty of Persian girl and Persian mentality can be seen in numerous masterpieces of persian paintings and miniatures.
sal7894 5 years ago
Such traditions continued into Sassanid times, however with less extent. Purandokht, who were daughter of king Khosrau II ruled Persian empire for almost two years before resigning, and women can be seen on some Sassanid reliefs as well. In Shahnameh, the greatest persian poet and Iranologist, Ferdowsi, tried to offer a picture of persian women.
sal7894 5 years ago
Sal7894: with all respect you didn't read complete 'shahname' of ferdosi, in shahneme there is a line like this:
zanan ra setai sagan ra seta.. ke yek sag beh bovad az 1000 zan!!
its there please go read for yourself or give me your address i gladly mail you the copy of that page!
you pushed the wrong button by mentioning ferdosi's name coz he is the founder of ethnic conflict in iran by insulting turks and arabs in iran in his book!
aydin220 5 years ago
High-born women even exercised an influence on affairs of state. Female members of the Achaemenid royal family possessed their own estates, and documents survive showing their active involvement in management: letters relate to the shipment of grain, wine, and animals to palaces from distant land-holdings. The only limits on the extent of the authority exercised by the King's mother, for instance were set by the monarch himself.
sal7894 5 years ago
women played an important role in everyday life in Achaemenid dynasty. They worked beside men in workshops and received the same salary as men.
sal7894 5 years ago
In farsi are some arabic and torkish words and in turkey are some arabic and farsi words. so what?! In turkey the people lernt (before atatürk)farsi in the school. I waste my time with you. nobody in this world is 100% from one ethnic group. during the centuries the people and the different cultures get mixed. and in every countrey there are different peoples - also in iran and in turkey there are a lot of other ethnical people. so what?! I stop writing and I don't answer again.
sal7894 5 years ago
Sal7894: Did you know that over 40% of farsi language is made up of Arabic,Turkish & Hindu? well aside from united nations report i will give you one easy reference, go open 'HAYYEM' or 'AMID' farsi to farsi dictionary, In front of most of the words there is the root of the word! I have seen it, alot of Arabic word! NO persian can speak farsi without using Arabic words,we dont have no or very few word from farsi in our language but you have alot turksih words in farsi!
aydin220 5 years ago
Woman had no value among Persians before Islam! I read that in American article coz they calim unlike in egypt that there is a picture and statue of woman in ancient places in Iran you can NOT find one woman picture in Takhte jamshid! is this lie also? is its lie pls send me a picture of a woman in Takhte jamshid!
aydin220 5 years ago
Sattar Khan is an iranian national hero. he was an azari and iranian.
sal7894 5 years ago
sal7894: its so patethic and obvious what you and other persians are trying hard to do, and thats to steal Azerbaijani pride for your selves coz you got nothing from your own! Sattar khan was born In Tabriz and was pure Azeri! this is the same bullshit that Iran sells Tabriz's carpet outside Iran as Persian carpet! you know what those stuff are getting little older, try something new!
aydin220 5 years ago
sal7894:I don't blame you at all,if i was a persian also it would be very hard to accept the facts and i would say more than you saying now to fool myself and others, but its now an information age, everyday more and more Azeri getting access to sources to read the facts! I can promise you one thing here and thats Azeri's in Iran are waken up and will wake uo others too! what I hope is that iran wont become second balkan (yuguslavi) coz this time everyone knows Turks will set fire on Iran.
aydin220 5 years ago
Sal7894: did you know there is nothing such as persian carpet?? carpet in Iran is belong to azeri turks, no fars in iran can make hand carpet, those carpets in centrla iran is also made by 'ghashgai turks' infact i will cheer if you tel me whats carpet word in farsi? FARSH is an Arabic word and GHALI is Turkish word!! pls. tel me what's farsi or persian word for carpet? ;D
aydin220 5 years ago
So then hitting women when they are out of line, is that Gods law? You read the book first before you make all-knowing comments
kirischi 5 years ago
all you boys dont seem to understnd, In the quran, when God decided to creat Man, he said to the angels, I will create a Leader onto the earth,this means he will govern the earth according to the laws of God, and not man? Hence, the earth must be ruled with a correct religon.
thnx
ssheri 5 years ago
1300 years what in Gods name are you talking about? The whole Arab experience lasted 200 years at best. İf you are referring to the Ottomans, please note that they used Islam to keep its large Arab population in line, and look what happened in the end, to the Arabs Arab nationalism and Arab unity was more important than Muslim brotherhood.
kirischi 5 years ago
Islam isnt everything. It should be kept as a religion, you cant run a state with islamic rules.
Azerigirl19 5 years ago
IF YOU REALLY GET INTO IT ISLAM IS THE BASIC PRINCIPLE OF LIFE--SUBMISSION TO GOD. If you believe in this with all of your heart it seems to change ones perspective. I have always heard that Religion and Politics don't mix, but both religion and politics themselves are artificial divisions of the life of a society. There is no reason, that ones faith in God and submission to him should be seperated from the life they live both public and private including legislative if it applies.
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
Muhamad the prophet encouraged the faith and integrity of faith in his community. He was then led to organize a nation and given wisdom to address the needs of the society. The nation lasted for 1300 years with ups and downs. Naturally the most basic value of the society was submission to God.
What will the most basic value generally be of a capitalist society? The answer is materialism, and it leads to much more war and suffering than the Islamic Society ever did. Just food for thought.
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
totally agree with you, kirischi
Azerigirl19 5 years ago
Turkey is going thru an Islamic crisis, the political Islamist want to bring Sharia law to this land and turn it into another Iran. You have no idea what has been done to Iran in Islams name, you have this romantic notion that Islam will solve everything. You could not be more wrong my friend. I used to think like you when I lived in the US. Seeing thing firsthand is a different experinence.
kirischi 5 years ago
Actually in most of northwest Iran Turki is the spoken language, you would have no problem living in Tabriz for example. I live in Turkey and I am an Azeri Turk, and I too want the glory of the Turks to shine, but without Islam please, at least in the political arena.
kirischi 5 years ago
We have thought of it, but my wife and I don't speak Persian. We are Turks, and are trying to make a move to Turkey. In Turkey we would be with our people and we love our people. Persia be strong! Prosperity be to the Azeri's as well! May the glory of the Turks shine! America, to hell with you freedom hating cowards!
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
Why dont you go live in Iran Steward? They will probably give you governing position.
kirischi 5 years ago
Islam is a useless and outdates tool just like the other semitic religions that it copies. Please keep it between you and God and leave it out of governance.
kirischi 5 years ago
Why? Are not the vast majority Muslims who want Islam represented by their governence?
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
Steward you present passe and backward ideas in polished and very consice fashion which leads me to believe that you would have made a good politician or lawyer or a PR guy, and maybe you are. You make Iran seem like a decent place to live you even recommend American muslims to migrate to Iran. Either you know nothing of Iran, or you have an Islamic agenda.
kirischi 5 years ago
The long and the short of democracy is that minority viewpoints are not adequately represented anywhere in the world. The Ottoman empire, developed a superior system to allow minorities adequate representation without sacrificing the values of the majority. See "Millet" in wikipedia at: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millet_%28Ottoman_Empire%29> However, no system except perhaps Communism is going to give minorities an equal voice to that of the majority in decision and policy making.
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
Now, if you succeed in overthrowing and establishing a secular democracy similar to Turkey for instance, you will now find easy agreement with policy, but the Muslim majority will be excluded because they cannot seperate religion from their politics. In the Islamic democracy, however, the system was set up to try to fit the majority.
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
Now with a discontent majority, you will need military oversight similar to that of Turkey for instance, which will interfere with the functioning of the democracy in the same way the oversight of the Mullahs seem to now, correct?
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
In conclusion, if you seek democracy to be as fare as possible to you and to the majority of Iran, you should immigrate to a democracy where you are in the majority, and let Iran be Islamic.
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
In other words you mean: If my neighbour does not accept what I think and what I say, then he should be cleared off. You use the word "immigration" for that.
You express in your comment the core of religious thought: Only what I believe is true.
Do you remember the statement of Shah in TV as he found his Rastakhiz party: He said should anyone refuse this new party, he will get his pass and can immigrate.
Do you see the similarity in Shah's statement at that time and yours today?
jeffss 5 years ago
I appreciate your ideas. And you are not alone. Minority viewpoints oftenwant to transform the majority. However, it is no different in any democracy. In America for instance, many Muslims would like to convert the country into an Islamic democracy. However their time and efforts woold be better spent amongst a people who are already Muslim.
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
For this reason I advise Muslims not to go out of their way to integrate unless their conscience is with them. If the non-Muslim society does not accept them and allow them the freedom of expression the desire. They should pick up their househlods and families and move to a land worthy to invest their lives in. Perhaps for some American Muslims this land is Iran.
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
Islam and really all the semitic religions only divide people, it actually keeps people from understanding each other, it is the biggest obstacle to a better life on earth. If you want to go to the mosque and pray, go ahead, but leave it out politics and dont force it on anybody else. Keep it between you and God.
kirischi 5 years ago
Kirischi, historically, Islam has been a unifyer of diverse ethnicities throughout the world. And, the effect has been that where Islam came, people retained the majority of theri own culture even after embracing Islam. With Christianity, peoples have hisorically been divided and those who embraced it have left mostly left their own cultures. However, some modern Christian mission activities have been less damaging to indiginous cultures.
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
Steward, I know that Turks come in all shapes. But you misunderstood my statement. Anyway yes let all speak in the language they want. And that is the problem, let us educate our children in our mother-tongue, as the majority in Iran it should be our right, dont you think? By the way Islam has brought nothing but backwardness, and Iran is the prime example
kirischi 5 years ago
kirischi, how is the weather in TEL AVIV??
bayern555 5 years ago
First what is the importance of insisting that I am from Tel Aviv? I guess you hate Jews, frankly I dont care whether you like or hate Jews but if you are going accuse me of being a Jew you should provide proof, otherwise you sound a like a defeated faggot repeating untrue accusations against the guy that made you feel like doushebag.
kirischi 5 years ago
Islamic rule ignores the freedom, the most elementary rule in human life. It says some leader knows all things and all others do not need to think.
They should only follow Ayatollahs. If you want to live so then I respect your mind.
But I do not want that Ayatollahs decide about my life.
It is your right to live in line with your ideals but let your neighbour to live his ideals.
jeffss 5 years ago
I understand what you are saying. However:
The Ayatollah is elected and constitutionally he can be booted out at any time. He only has power so long as he upholds the elders expectations. Now the elders (supreme councel) are also elected. However they are not elected by the people, but by the elders of the people. However the elders of the people can not hold their position long without public acceptance. Am I right so far?
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
So this Intricate system is set up to see that the democratically elected government upholds the principles and constitution of the Republic and that all elections are according to those principles. Am I still getting it right?
Now, If you are a very sincere follower of Islam you are in the Majority in Iran, correct?
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
If however you are not a believer, you are not part of the majority, and as in any Democracy, you will often be disapointed by your government. If you are encouraged by western stirring this disapointment might even lead you to seek their help in trying to overthrow your government, correct?
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
@ turkey76
what are you talking about? I'm also for iran.... but I hate this islamic regime and I'm not for a war !down with the mullahs! yashasin iran!
sal7894 5 years ago
76 Islam is we have so many backwardass narrow-minded people in both Turkey and Iran. DOWN WITH ISLAM. ISLAM HAS REPRESSED OUR PEOPLE LONG ENOUGH, GO AWAY PLEASE...
kirischi 5 years ago
Bobak if you look at most Azeris close enough you can see the Asian Turki ancestry in their beautiful almond shaped eyes :)).
kirischi 5 years ago
kirischi, you are a fake.
you have gathered alot of info but tell me 5 major streets in tabriz.
i know you write alot at this hour so if you wait, i know you are researching before you answer.
bayern555 5 years ago
Actually you are fake, biraz oz dilinde danis gurumsag, You dont even spell Tebriz like we Azeris do, what is your purpose? Who cares about street names? Gel oz dilinde danis yoxsa oz dilin farsidi?
kirischi 5 years ago
i knew it you dumb fuck. YOU ARE A FAKE!!
even my dad preferes farsi (iranina) "you visit TABRIZ alot and you know everything about TABRIZ"
fuck you you lying fake peice of shit
bayern555 5 years ago
so kirischi, how is the weather in TEL AVIV???
bayern555 5 years ago
So what exatcly is the point of calling me a jew? Are you really so dim-witted? Is that all you got? You cant verbally challenge me so you resort to calling me a jew? I dont even think you are 21, I think you are 11 and you just had your first ejaculation. Doushebag.
kirischi 5 years ago
you can't even answer my simple "verbal" questions you dumb fuck. that is why you are a FAKE!
so how is the weather in TEL AVIV??
ijefij 5 years ago
sorry bayern555 i have been reading this stuff and i had to jump in cause i know he is a FAKE
ijefij 5 years ago
no problem ijefij, you did a great job! you can copy and past all you want.
bayern555 5 years ago
Man this is pathetic, you 2 fag hacks teamed up on me and still cant come up with a good comeback, in fact you sissies copy each others weak comments. Hows the weather in Tel Aviv, I am still crying over that one. So tell me is ijefij the one takes it or is it you?
kirischi 5 years ago
You are weak, you've got nothing. Your comebacks are as weak as a reshti cowards should be. I have answered everything, men birsey gizletmiremki, why dont you find a forum about the reshtis, you know under some topic like how to curb prostitution. I mean both you and bayern have been manhandled by me, do you really want more verbal abuse that you cant handle.
kirischi 5 years ago
Your dad prefers farsi? And you are calling me a fake. You are not even Azeri, you are some doushebag farsi xer. Mene Azerice cevab bile verebilmirsen, senide Iranida Allah yixsin.
kirischi 5 years ago
please just describe something about the airport or the road from airport to town YOU DUMB FAKE FUCK.
ijefij 5 years ago
how is the weather in TEL AVIV??
ijefij 5 years ago
The weather in Tel Aviv is cloudy, just like you and gay xer friend bayerns head. How about I describe the road to a resthi womans bed; give her husband 20 dollars. You 2 fags dont even know Azeri, why are you two sticking your ugly noses here? This video is about the cause of my people, it is not about 2 sissy farsi fags who wet their pants when they see my people stand.
kirischi 5 years ago
hahaha, i tell you, youtube can be a GREAT place to make friends, we have already emailed and will meet oneday soon. don't be jealous kirischi. one thing still remains: you have not described anything about the place that "you visit alot" you dumb fuck.
bayern555 5 years ago
JEALOUS! are you serious? that I would jealous of two guys that met on youtube who are probably going to have gaynal sex. Just one piece of advice, take plenty of condoms cause you know those reshtis they sleep around alot. See I am looking out for you even though you have been persified. So take it easy try not to get too many rug burns.
kirischi 5 years ago
i know you keep writing in turkish and keep wanting iranians to split up, but you still have not answered extreemly simple questions about the place you "visit alot" you dumb fuck.
bayern555 5 years ago
I wrote to you in the language of my father, do you know the language of your father? This is not about Iran, it is about having respect for the culture and language of ones father. Apperantly respect was something you did not learn about.
kirischi 5 years ago
DOWN WITH YOU SAL7894, AND NOT WITH THE ISLAMIC REGIME!!
I AM A TURKISH-AZERI, AND I AM NOT AGAINST IRAN!
Europeans, Amerikaner, Israelis can not suffer a living together of the Muslims!
turkey76 5 years ago
sal7894 Down with islamic regime?
DOWN WITH YOU!!!!!!!!
turkey76 5 years ago
After the damned Arabs occupation of Iran for centuries, many Iranians were forced to speak Arabic. That did not make them Arabs. Most Arabic speaking Iranian living in the south were Arabized the same way. All of Iran must be united fighting the Mullahs. Long Live Iran, United.
Bobak1 5 years ago
Ethnically, Azaries are not Turks, they are Iranians forced to speak Turkish for centuries. In fact, a portion of people living inTurkey itself, are ethnically Iranians. The real Turks migrated to present day Turkey from central Asia. They are more Oriental looking. Turkeman, a Persian phrase meaning Turk Manand, describes how the Turk looked; Asian. Iranian Turks do not have Asian features. Long Live Iran, United.
Bobak1 5 years ago
Strange thought. You obviously have never been to Turkistan. Turks have nearly every look you can imagine. Just look at the Uyghurs. Some look like fair skinned fair haired Europeans. Some have curly hair. Some look Mongolian.
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
My wife is Uyghur. Persians think she is Persian. Kazaks think she is Kazak, Koreans think she is Korean, Uzbeks think she is Uzbek, Kyrgyz think she is Kyrgyz.
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
My wife's grandmother on her mom's side was almost 2 meters high and blue eyed. Her grandfather on her fathers side had green eyes. She has brown eyes. Some of the most ancient records of the Kyrgyz are of redish brown haired, green eyed thick bearded people. Now many look almost mongolian. Other Kyrghyz villages look Persian. Turks are not an ethnicity even in their homeland that can be easily discribed upon appearance.
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
And by the way Turks and Persians have always flourished side by side as brothers why do you want to promote nationalism now. Let the Turk speak Turkish and the Fars speak Fars and let them all understand each other as it was historically. We are nothing without each other. Oh and let the Kurd speak Kurdish in Turkey and whereever. Down with all Western style governments. Long live Islamic rule.
stewardshipfarm 5 years ago
the turkish people came to turkey in the 11th century and before there lived hittites, greeks and persians.
sal7894 5 years ago
Sal7894: Your an idiot. Persians were wild tribes that came to this reagion (central Iran) from Syberia.. it is a fact and its is in your own history books. go read for your self, your obviously don't know nothing about history! did you know that cyrus (darioush) was killed by a Turkish women? did you know that Sasanian kings were getting married to their own sisters and mothers coz they believed kings are gods and should not mix their blood with others? its all in the history books go read!
aydin220 5 years ago
sal7894: do you know that woman has no value in the persian culture?? Its true coz your great poetrist (FERDOSI) has said in his book that: ''yek sad beh bovad az 100 zan'' (meaning one dog is much better than 100 woman) If you think its not true go read ferdosi's shahname.. Its there... So pls stop the bull shit crap of persian persian!!! You had 2 or 3 kings in the stone ages and thats it, Iran was rules all by Azarbaijani Kings for the last 1000 years until 90 years ago!
aydin220 5 years ago
before the islamic invasion the woman had a big value in the persian culture. it was equality between weman and men. Don't tell lies. I know the real Shahnameh and what you saying it's bullshit. the emblem lion and sun (the motif uses also by rostam) based on mithraism. in mithraism and zoroastrianism there's equality between men and women.
sal7894 5 years ago
The regime of God-damned Arabized Mullahs must be defeated. The Azaries, as well as all other Iranians, must work toward that goal. Ignorance must be stopped. Azaries are as much Iranian as anyone else. They made up a good portion of the Imperial military, including its top brass, with complete trust. Due to the occupation of portions of Iran, Azaries have been influenced by the Turks, linguistically. Long Live Iran, United.
Bobak1 5 years ago
Yashasin Iran
Yashasin AZARBAYJAN !
Wakhi 5 years ago
Sal my father is from Tabriz, needless to say I have been there many times, have much family there, and most of my friends are from Iran. So please, please do not try to teach me about Iran, I already know too much. Yes Turks are an integral part of Iran, but they need to be educated in their own language, as a majority of the population this is our God-given right.
kirischi 5 years ago
Sal I am an Azeri Turk, and I love my people, if that makes me a pan-Turk then so be it. Khamenei might have the appearance of having the last word in Iran but really does not. The governing machinenary is mostly Fars, and the key figures behind the curtain are mostly Fars and some sell-out Turks who work to preserve the status quo.
kirischi 5 years ago
Sal I am an Azeri Turk, and I love my people, if that makes me a pan-Turk, so be it. I have nothing against the Fars people, I simply want Turki to be an official language alongside Farsi in Iran. Khamenei has the appearance of having the last word. The beuracracy and the machienary of Iran is Fars dominated, which is not a secret.
kirischi 5 years ago
dwon with the islamic regime!
sal7894 5 years ago
yashasin iran!
sal7894 5 years ago
kirischi are you a pan turk? don't tell lies! I don't care about ethnical thinks. are in turkey every habitants turkish? no I don't think so. iranian azaris are iranian they belong to iran. the iranian persians and the iranian azaris are like carrots & peas they belong together, also the iranian kurds, mazandaris, etc......we are iran!
sal7894 5 years ago
a fars government doesn't exist! the last word has always khamenei....
sal7894 5 years ago
Yes sal in fact there is no such thing as an Azari. The Supreme leader is Azeri, but he works for the Fars regime, he works against the interests of his own people. If you dont believe the Azeris are the majority in Iran you should look up the UN`s findings for the ethnic make-up of Iran. Dont just take my word for it. And lastly down with the Irani government.
kirischi 5 years ago
This has all to do with gaining basic culturel rights for Irans Turki majority, and nothing to do Islam
kirischi 5 years ago
iranian azaris are not the majority in iran. by the way the supreme leader of iran, ali khamenei, is azari. down with the iranian government!
sal7894 5 years ago
Sal7894: Its seems to me that either you fucking blind or you dont know the facts!! Azeri population in Iran is estimate over a 30 million, if we add Arabs, Kurds, Turkmans and balooch population to that the persian population is less than 50% of total Iranian population which that puts Azeri in majority!! GOT IT? jende!!!
aydin220 5 years ago