You cannot generalize people like that. Communists need to take the higher ground & try to ignore the ignorant products of capitalist society that distract them. By "ignorant products" I'm referring to the ignorant people in society who do not wish to learn or understand and are fine with believing propaganda and being a sheep.
Being content with capitalism does not make you ignorant, it just means you don't care. (You don't care for those who are hurt by capitalism etc) PM me your thoughts ;)
Your comment is ignorance that just doesn't coincide with logic. Clearly you have read no material relating to leftist political value and if you believe degenerated workers states or authoritarian pseudo-socialist states represent communism then you are mistaken. Please back up your comments with more than just your opinion, if you wish to have a conversation on politics PM me, but a comments section is not an appropriate format for such discussion.
Yes buddy.. Lenin fought for the working class, so he could make money!? Not because the Zar hanged his brother? Not because people died of starvation? Not because people died in inhuman working facilities..?
what about industrial accidents caused by capitalist negligence. what about capitalist hired strikebreakers who kill workers for money. what about the privitization and "economic liberalization" of the third world. these things cause real death. these things could not happen without capitalist greed. many capitalists monetarily support murder. all capitalists monetarily support slavery and/or theft. the only good capitalist is a dead capitalist possibly a reformed or ruined capitalist
what about industrial accidents caused by capitalist negligence. what about capitalist hired strikebreakers who kill workers for money. what about the privitization and "economic liberalization" of the third world. these things cause real death. these things could not happen without capitalist greed. many capitalists monetarily support murder. all capitalists monetarily support slavery and/or theft. the only good capitalist is a dead capitalist possibly a reformed or ruined capitalist
Whoa!! Lenin was rich? And that makes him a capitalist?
First off, he wasn't rich. Second off, the corolation between rich and capitalist doesn't follow. A capitalist is someone who advocates capitalism, not someone with lots of money. Noam Chomsky is quite wealthy, but he isn't a capitalist.
disagree comrade a capitalist is someone who privately owns means of production and rents wage-slaves. people who advocate capitalism are greedy fucks or ignorant douches. i hope reds in here are workerists or council coms we might get along
PROLETARIAN REVOLUTION COMRADES, EVERYDAY WITHOUT AN ATTACK ON THE PLUTOCRACY IS WASTED LIFE ON MORE LEVELS THAN ONE, WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT FREEDOM DECENCY AND EQUALITY SHOOT MOVE COMMUNICATE COMRADES WE'VE NOTHING BUT CHAINS TO LOSE EVERYTHING IS TO GAIN
Beavis- I'd say you're refering to a member of the bourgeoisie; he/she who owns the means of production but does nothing to produce. But a capitalist can be anyone, really, as long as they perpetuate capitalism in ideal or practice. But our disagreement is pure semantics, and it really doesn't do us any good to argue about it.
Comrade, you are an inspiration to me :). Our glorious communist revolution will bear fruition and take the world. The capitalists will pay for their crimes against humanity and all the world shall bathe in the glory of Communism. Vive la revolucion! Venceremos.
somethingtrulyclever- it seems you and i think along similar lines, but i must say i'm not for the whole "capitalism kills more than communism" argument. It just leaves the door open for the capitalists to say the same about us (which is annoying, no?).
As far as the making people poor, there's really no way capitalists can argue against that, since pre-feudalist societies lived in a more or less egalitarian/anarchist society without poverty.
captalism has killed millions. I believe officially around 220 million. and it has impoverished billions.
the reason so many have died via capitalism is because capitalism is a system that places money above all else even human life. Nearly every war waged in the last 60 years has been fought for capitalism. nearly every decision made by a true capitalist is made to make himself richer, the world can not survive if everyone is stabbing each other in the back for profit.
"Communism has'nt killed as many as Capitalism,which is still killing thousands daily."
That sentence is correct, but it doesn't make a lot of sense - for you might as well say: "people with black skin have killed more people than Communism". Again this sentence is correct - but it doesn't make sense, for it was not their skin color that made them murderers.
@Supenmanu The analogy doesn't work; Because it is both systems (the set of institutional arrangements that comprise them) that kill people. Funnily enough it seems that systemically induced/aggravated starvation is the number one killer in both cases.
Their skin color is unrelated to their moral character. If someone is black he might be a murderer, or he might be a very good person. Likewise if someone has a huge bank account and a lot of land and factories he might be a murderer or he might be a very good person.
Those things are not the cause of killings - but greed, hate and prejudice are. Communism on the other hand is designed to arouse those emotions in humans - so it CAN act as the cause for killings.
Haven't you ever heard of Blackwater? Most of the American military forces are privately owned armies for hire, just like the Roman Empire when wars were waged for profits, and the capitalist senators had full control over the privatized Roman Empire.
this is so pathetic.capitalism kills people everyday.we can make a distiction between private public property and remunerate property is proportion for effort and sacrifice.we can democratically decide what to produce instead of having tyrants do it then sell it at a price higher then produced while paying us wages. dont you think labour and income from the endeavor can be divided a little better?yes,obviously so.
China has allready been invaded. Communism cam from Germany and Russia and invaded China. It came with false promises and is now enslaving the people, killing people, exploiting people.
Stalin had money to buy half a bread when he died.
And according to the black book of communism.. Its Vietnams fault that they lost soldiers in combat and stuff, its absurd. Were talking about regimes. Like if doing bad/good stuff.. Theres nothing like Capitalists kill people, communists kill people..
Its the morale. When USSR broke up, people could have the apartment covered by the state, they could be owners of an apartment. But the next day they became greyness of russia.
Watch the documentary here on you tube. Death of a Nation Russia. ull understand.
Like.. Over night their money they saved for 20-30 years could be.. 300.000 Rubs, And over night 300 rubs. Because aligarks claimed it all. The result. Russian population sank by 10.000.000 people. Thats caputalism.
No - that's the anarchy that follows when freedom is granted after 70 years of slavery.
Rome was not build in a day, and neither is a prosperous democratic Russia. I think the Russians have done fairly well for themselves considering that they've only had little more than 16 years since the fall of the Evil Empire.
HAH! Evil empire! Now u got me :P. U arent brainwashed are u?
And Russians? Well they were the ones who tried to stop the development of russian republic. They rather did everything, faced armed forces just to return their soviet union. And democracy? Yep right. Last russian voting was the most unfair ever. Russia aint moving to the freedom.. Money = Freedom. No money = No freedom. Thats capitalism.
You got the issue wrong. Read the communist manifesto. It is not against people its against the system. Capitalists are only seen as enemies, because they (of course) don't want that the system changes.. because than, they would be same wealth or poor like all others.. So if rich people let the people decide without raging wars than they aren't enemies...
And you was looking for Killer-Capitalists:
When the Krupp family have sponsored the Nazis, they may not directly killed someone ...
My country, called China, is engineering communism. The communists are growing up, Jiang Zemin is very different from Mao. And Hu will be better, I predict :)
I am a communist, and I really really like your analysis :D
Generalization is not good. Agree! Communism was just one of the scientific theory used to explain human society in abstract level, so of course it has to generalize people. The wrong thing is to directly applly simple principles to reality.
Yep, it's a common propaganda tool to claim that a correlation exists and then argue that it implies causality. Of course, it doesn't. You are correct. But to see why those who espouse freedom must be against violence you need to follow a chain of reasoning. It's a lot easier to snap to judgment. So you are probably wasting your breath.
Of course he is. But not all rich people are capitalists and not all capitalists are rich. A capitalist is someone who owns things that produce wealth and employs workers who produce goods which he sells. Workers on the other hand have only their working force to sell (to the capitalists).
Capitalists are the ones sending aid to Africa, we are preventing deaths there. You don't see Cuba, North Korea, or China sending major aid to Africa now do you?
actually mate,you are wrong, I think there currectly are around 50,000 cuban doctors stationed in africa, giving FREE healthcare. Better than Yankee economic 'specialsits' telling them to privatise the hospitals.
Of course one can make the claim that these so called failed "communist" attempts were not really communist at all, but better labeled State Fascism under the rhetoric of Communism. Falsely labeling such horrors as 'communist' spoil any attempts at a true socialism, as the real nature of socialist ideology is polluted and stigmatized by erroneous associations. Murderers proclaiming themselves as benevolent should not corrupt the word 'benevolent'.
Socialism requires democratic control of productive means, in this way even the USA today is more 'socialist' than the USSR ever was due to the comprative influnece of INDEPENDENT trade unions and labor movements have on the day to day running of the economy.
Supenmanu, i consider myself a socialist. I believe it is very facile of you to discredit 'communism' on the evidence from the USSR etc. No one is doubting these were oppresssive regimes, the point is though, that these regimes weren't communist. Why? Because of the way the economy was structured- Centralised State Planning- leading to a huge bureaucracy, replacing the bourgeoisie with the 'political class'. This was state capitalism
Many communists are denying they were oppressive regimes, and classifying these states as communist is correct. Communism on paper looks genius, but in all cases in history, it has been carried out the same way. Murder, control, and war.
How has capitalism been carried out "in all cases in history"? Anyway, this is a pointless argument, Socialism is democratic control of productive means, not state ownership... read up on that and once u understand it you might be able to rebutt more efficiently
State control of the economy is the trademark of communism. The state is thought to be better at deciding what needs to be produced than people themselves - and therefore, the state owns and produces everything. That's communism.
what you are describing here is soviet-style or "real"-socialism. Communism (as defined by Marx) is a relation between free and equal producers achieved once the state has "withered" away
it's not that capitalists do good or bad things it's that the system is inherently expoiltative because of profit incentive and competition. you mentioned the black book of communism but that book is very one sided and does not mention the deaths caused by the capitalist side.
Communist Party members, actually have no liberty either. For example even China's leader was against the Tiananmen square Massacre. But in order to maintain the dictatorship, the Party nature itself required the masacre. So even the leader could not do anything against it, and was simply replaced. But with capitalistic systems you do not have such a mechanism. The rich and wealthy capitalists are relatively free and can act on their own decisions
Also, though I believe 'who killed the most' is a pointless arguement. I will note that Capitalism as a system (or capital and the ruling classes) is responsible for attrocities such as the slave trade, imperialism, countless imperial wars etc 'Communist' regimes may have massacred millions of people, but think about how many people die because of Capitalisms blatant incapacity to distribute wealth and create equity. It may be a more indirect way, but it is one nonetheless.
Money may lead people to commit crimes, but money may also be used by people to save lives.
Capitalism and Communism alike are nothing more than ideologies. It is the people, who use these ideologies to kill or save lives, that are bad or good.
you explain that the free market creates a new world and their competition leads the productivity and varity and people of every race,color, level can participate by doing their bussines...
I keep things very simple. i use only what i need.
so money is just a mean to move people, materials, products,professions, etc...............
i wished humans could have a right for 8 hours sleep and food PER DAY?!
communism, a la marx, recognizes the capitalist as an exploiter, and therefore a parasite, to the working class. the abolishment of private property has to do with things such as the means of production (mines, factories, land itself, etc.).
there is no direct relation between the social, racial or economical group one belongs to, and the moral character one poseses. People's moral character should be used to evaluate if someone is good or bad rather than ones affiliated social group.
and most of the poverty surrounding 20th century 'communist' states has to do with bureaucratization of the communist parties where a some-what new ruling class arises (i.e. like stalin in the soviet union). this is too much to some up. 'why read marx today' by johnathan wolff is a good start.
capatalism for the poor socialism for the rich
only1atom 1 year ago
you are smart 5*
brandokelly 3 years ago
capitilist are people who care only about rich people communist people care about everyone not only rich people
if communism didnt ecsist wed have more people like bush being president
TheFerret49 3 years ago
You cannot generalize people like that. Communists need to take the higher ground & try to ignore the ignorant products of capitalist society that distract them. By "ignorant products" I'm referring to the ignorant people in society who do not wish to learn or understand and are fine with believing propaganda and being a sheep.
Being content with capitalism does not make you ignorant, it just means you don't care. (You don't care for those who are hurt by capitalism etc) PM me your thoughts ;)
evanAU 3 years ago
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trigga1uk 3 years ago
Your comment is ignorance that just doesn't coincide with logic. Clearly you have read no material relating to leftist political value and if you believe degenerated workers states or authoritarian pseudo-socialist states represent communism then you are mistaken. Please back up your comments with more than just your opinion, if you wish to have a conversation on politics PM me, but a comments section is not an appropriate format for such discussion.
evanAU 3 years ago
Yes buddy.. Lenin fought for the working class, so he could make money!? Not because the Zar hanged his brother? Not because people died of starvation? Not because people died in inhuman working facilities..?
KokainPer 3 years ago
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beavisisgood87 3 years ago
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beavisisgood87 3 years ago
what about industrial accidents caused by capitalist negligence. what about capitalist hired strikebreakers who kill workers for money. what about the privitization and "economic liberalization" of the third world. these things cause real death. these things could not happen without capitalist greed. many capitalists monetarily support murder. all capitalists monetarily support slavery and/or theft. the only good capitalist is a dead capitalist possibly a reformed or ruined capitalist
beavisisgood87 3 years ago
what about industrial accidents caused by capitalist negligence. what about capitalist hired strikebreakers who kill workers for money. what about the privitization and "economic liberalization" of the third world. these things cause real death. these things could not happen without capitalist greed. many capitalists monetarily support murder. all capitalists monetarily support slavery and/or theft. the only good capitalist is a dead capitalist possibly a reformed or ruined capitalist
beavisisgood87 3 years ago
Whoa!! Lenin was rich? And that makes him a capitalist?
First off, he wasn't rich. Second off, the corolation between rich and capitalist doesn't follow. A capitalist is someone who advocates capitalism, not someone with lots of money. Noam Chomsky is quite wealthy, but he isn't a capitalist.
RedJacobin 3 years ago
disagree comrade a capitalist is someone who privately owns means of production and rents wage-slaves. people who advocate capitalism are greedy fucks or ignorant douches. i hope reds in here are workerists or council coms we might get along
PROLETARIAN REVOLUTION COMRADES, EVERYDAY WITHOUT AN ATTACK ON THE PLUTOCRACY IS WASTED LIFE ON MORE LEVELS THAN ONE, WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT FREEDOM DECENCY AND EQUALITY SHOOT MOVE COMMUNICATE COMRADES WE'VE NOTHING BUT CHAINS TO LOSE EVERYTHING IS TO GAIN
beavisisgood87 3 years ago 2
Beavis- I'd say you're refering to a member of the bourgeoisie; he/she who owns the means of production but does nothing to produce. But a capitalist can be anyone, really, as long as they perpetuate capitalism in ideal or practice. But our disagreement is pure semantics, and it really doesn't do us any good to argue about it.
RedJacobin 3 years ago
Comrade, you are an inspiration to me :). Our glorious communist revolution will bear fruition and take the world. The capitalists will pay for their crimes against humanity and all the world shall bathe in the glory of Communism. Vive la revolucion! Venceremos.
AntinousIsGod1 3 years ago
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trigga1uk 3 years ago
your right comrade apologies
beavisisgood87 3 years ago
somethingtrulyclever- it seems you and i think along similar lines, but i must say i'm not for the whole "capitalism kills more than communism" argument. It just leaves the door open for the capitalists to say the same about us (which is annoying, no?).
As far as the making people poor, there's really no way capitalists can argue against that, since pre-feudalist societies lived in a more or less egalitarian/anarchist society without poverty.
RedJacobin 3 years ago
captalism has killed millions. I believe officially around 220 million. and it has impoverished billions.
the reason so many have died via capitalism is because capitalism is a system that places money above all else even human life. Nearly every war waged in the last 60 years has been fought for capitalism. nearly every decision made by a true capitalist is made to make himself richer, the world can not survive if everyone is stabbing each other in the back for profit.
somethingtrulyclever 3 years ago
Someone told me again:
"Communism has'nt killed as many as Capitalism,which is still killing thousands daily."
That sentence is correct, but it doesn't make a lot of sense - for you might as well say: "people with black skin have killed more people than Communism". Again this sentence is correct - but it doesn't make sense, for it was not their skin color that made them murderers.
Supenmanu 4 years ago
@Supenmanu The analogy doesn't work; Because it is both systems (the set of institutional arrangements that comprise them) that kill people. Funnily enough it seems that systemically induced/aggravated starvation is the number one killer in both cases.
Scientisticsoviet 1 year ago
Their skin color is unrelated to their moral character. If someone is black he might be a murderer, or he might be a very good person. Likewise if someone has a huge bank account and a lot of land and factories he might be a murderer or he might be a very good person.
Those things are not the cause of killings - but greed, hate and prejudice are. Communism on the other hand is designed to arouse those emotions in humans - so it CAN act as the cause for killings.
Supenmanu 4 years ago
Haven't you ever heard of Blackwater? Most of the American military forces are privately owned armies for hire, just like the Roman Empire when wars were waged for profits, and the capitalist senators had full control over the privatized Roman Empire.
XionXXXX 4 years ago
Hrmm... That's fascism, not capitalism...
xercses 3 years ago
this is so pathetic.capitalism kills people everyday.we can make a distiction between private public property and remunerate property is proportion for effort and sacrifice.we can democratically decide what to produce instead of having tyrants do it then sell it at a price higher then produced while paying us wages. dont you think labour and income from the endeavor can be divided a little better?yes,obviously so.
mieery 4 years ago
China has allready been invaded. Communism cam from Germany and Russia and invaded China. It came with false promises and is now enslaving the people, killing people, exploiting people.
Supenmanu 4 years ago
Stalin had money to buy half a bread when he died.
And according to the black book of communism.. Its Vietnams fault that they lost soldiers in combat and stuff, its absurd. Were talking about regimes. Like if doing bad/good stuff.. Theres nothing like Capitalists kill people, communists kill people..
Staatssicherheit 4 years ago
Its the morale. When USSR broke up, people could have the apartment covered by the state, they could be owners of an apartment. But the next day they became greyness of russia.
Staatssicherheit 4 years ago
Watch the documentary here on you tube. Death of a Nation Russia. ull understand.
Like.. Over night their money they saved for 20-30 years could be.. 300.000 Rubs, And over night 300 rubs. Because aligarks claimed it all. The result. Russian population sank by 10.000.000 people. Thats caputalism.
Staatssicherheit 4 years ago
No - that's the anarchy that follows when freedom is granted after 70 years of slavery.
Rome was not build in a day, and neither is a prosperous democratic Russia. I think the Russians have done fairly well for themselves considering that they've only had little more than 16 years since the fall of the Evil Empire.
JesusFreakDK 4 years ago
HAH! Evil empire! Now u got me :P. U arent brainwashed are u?
And Russians? Well they were the ones who tried to stop the development of russian republic. They rather did everything, faced armed forces just to return their soviet union. And democracy? Yep right. Last russian voting was the most unfair ever. Russia aint moving to the freedom.. Money = Freedom. No money = No freedom. Thats capitalism.
Staatssicherheit 4 years ago
You got the issue wrong. Read the communist manifesto. It is not against people its against the system. Capitalists are only seen as enemies, because they (of course) don't want that the system changes.. because than, they would be same wealth or poor like all others.. So if rich people let the people decide without raging wars than they aren't enemies...
And you was looking for Killer-Capitalists:
When the Krupp family have sponsored the Nazis, they may not directly killed someone ...
Kritiker9 4 years ago
oops, read some of your opinions about China. Fine~ as far as you don't invade us like iraq and let us live peacefully.
But still your IQ is higher than the others :)
fengqifengqi 4 years ago
My country, called China, is engineering communism. The communists are growing up, Jiang Zemin is very different from Mao. And Hu will be better, I predict :)
fengqifengqi 4 years ago
I am a communist, and I really really like your analysis :D
Generalization is not good. Agree! Communism was just one of the scientific theory used to explain human society in abstract level, so of course it has to generalize people. The wrong thing is to directly applly simple principles to reality.
fengqifengqi 4 years ago
Man, you think profoundly. Very good! I thought you were just another ignorant westerner :)
fengqifengqi 4 years ago
Yep, it's a common propaganda tool to claim that a correlation exists and then argue that it implies causality. Of course, it doesn't. You are correct. But to see why those who espouse freedom must be against violence you need to follow a chain of reasoning. It's a lot easier to snap to judgment. So you are probably wasting your breath.
docmoriarti 4 years ago
oh man you don't know shit about history
semiliteratedgod 4 years ago
enlighten me
Supenmanu 4 years ago
haven't time, sorry.
semiliteratedgod 4 years ago
did you even watch my video?
Supenmanu 4 years ago
"Communism simply promises the extermination of rich people and the abolishon of private ownership."
Is it a lack of education? Communism is more economical idea than political. The idea is that production resources belong to everyone (masses).
The slogan of communism is: "From each according to his ability to each according to his needs."
Nothing said about extermination.
I wonder if you know differnce between communism and socialism.
JohnSilverOO7 4 years ago
"I wonder if you know differnce between communism and socialism."
"Potato-potaado" or whatever way you wanna transscribe it....I'm sure you get my point!
JesusFreakDK 4 years ago
the communists are way much better than the capitalists. like Che Guevara is a lot better than Bush don't you think?
Ohflamey 4 years ago
Che wasnt commie
JohnSilverOO7 4 years ago
Of course he is. But not all rich people are capitalists and not all capitalists are rich. A capitalist is someone who owns things that produce wealth and employs workers who produce goods which he sells. Workers on the other hand have only their working force to sell (to the capitalists).
Mensch86 4 years ago
okay... so the jews as portrayed by the Nazis fit into that category as well, don't they?
Supenmanu 4 years ago
You my friend have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. When you defined capitalists as "rich people" I stopped watching the video.
Aren't thousands of people killed every year in Afrika because they starve to death or die of illnesses? Think about it.
Mensch86 4 years ago
So Bill Gates isn't a capitalist?
Supenmanu 4 years ago
Capitalists are the ones sending aid to Africa, we are preventing deaths there. You don't see Cuba, North Korea, or China sending major aid to Africa now do you?
Iwillremeberthisname 4 years ago
actually mate,you are wrong, I think there currectly are around 50,000 cuban doctors stationed in africa, giving FREE healthcare. Better than Yankee economic 'specialsits' telling them to privatise the hospitals.
abuaroberts 4 years ago
Of course one can make the claim that these so called failed "communist" attempts were not really communist at all, but better labeled State Fascism under the rhetoric of Communism. Falsely labeling such horrors as 'communist' spoil any attempts at a true socialism, as the real nature of socialist ideology is polluted and stigmatized by erroneous associations. Murderers proclaiming themselves as benevolent should not corrupt the word 'benevolent'.
0neironaut 4 years ago
you do realize that Nazis use the same argument in defence of National Socialism?
Supenmanu 4 years ago
OoOOOOoh no! the NAZIS do too? too bad that doesnt discredit my argument. I smell a red herring.
0neironaut 4 years ago
Socialism requires democratic control of productive means, in this way even the USA today is more 'socialist' than the USSR ever was due to the comprative influnece of INDEPENDENT trade unions and labor movements have on the day to day running of the economy.
abuaroberts 4 years ago
Supenmanu, i consider myself a socialist. I believe it is very facile of you to discredit 'communism' on the evidence from the USSR etc. No one is doubting these were oppresssive regimes, the point is though, that these regimes weren't communist. Why? Because of the way the economy was structured- Centralised State Planning- leading to a huge bureaucracy, replacing the bourgeoisie with the 'political class'. This was state capitalism
abuaroberts 4 years ago
Many communists are denying they were oppressive regimes, and classifying these states as communist is correct. Communism on paper looks genius, but in all cases in history, it has been carried out the same way. Murder, control, and war.
Iwillremeberthisname 4 years ago
How has capitalism been carried out "in all cases in history"? Anyway, this is a pointless argument, Socialism is democratic control of productive means, not state ownership... read up on that and once u understand it you might be able to rebutt more efficiently
abuaroberts 4 years ago
State control of the economy is the trademark of communism. The state is thought to be better at deciding what needs to be produced than people themselves - and therefore, the state owns and produces everything. That's communism.
JesusFreakDK 4 years ago
what you are describing here is soviet-style or "real"-socialism. Communism (as defined by Marx) is a relation between free and equal producers achieved once the state has "withered" away
abuaroberts 4 years ago
it's not that capitalists do good or bad things it's that the system is inherently expoiltative because of profit incentive and competition. you mentioned the black book of communism but that book is very one sided and does not mention the deaths caused by the capitalist side.
free484 4 years ago
Communist Party members, actually have no liberty either. For example even China's leader was against the Tiananmen square Massacre. But in order to maintain the dictatorship, the Party nature itself required the masacre. So even the leader could not do anything against it, and was simply replaced. But with capitalistic systems you do not have such a mechanism. The rich and wealthy capitalists are relatively free and can act on their own decisions
Supenmanu 4 years ago
Also, though I believe 'who killed the most' is a pointless arguement. I will note that Capitalism as a system (or capital and the ruling classes) is responsible for attrocities such as the slave trade, imperialism, countless imperial wars etc 'Communist' regimes may have massacred millions of people, but think about how many people die because of Capitalisms blatant incapacity to distribute wealth and create equity. It may be a more indirect way, but it is one nonetheless.
abuaroberts 4 years ago
Knives do not kill people; people kill people!
Money may lead people to commit crimes, but money may also be used by people to save lives.
Capitalism and Communism alike are nothing more than ideologies. It is the people, who use these ideologies to kill or save lives, that are bad or good.
noolympics 4 years ago
ahh peggi is ranting on to you. Unlucky dude. What peggi dont realise is that communism killed millions.
Ih8communism2 4 years ago
so does capitalism. its a 'strong survive, weak perish' philosophy. capitalism is disgusting and makes me sick.
Nihilanth1982 4 years ago
Communism is everyones weak, so everyone dies, apart from the commie leaders. Imbosils like you make me laugh. Go write a poem you insane leftie.
Ih8communism2 4 years ago
you explain that the free market creates a new world and their competition leads the productivity and varity and people of every race,color, level can participate by doing their bussines...
I keep things very simple. i use only what i need.
so money is just a mean to move people, materials, products,professions, etc...............
i wished humans could have a right for 8 hours sleep and food PER DAY?!
NOTHING MORE?!
hphbellido 4 years ago
communism, a la marx, recognizes the capitalist as an exploiter, and therefore a parasite, to the working class. the abolishment of private property has to do with things such as the means of production (mines, factories, land itself, etc.).
IntelligentHoodlum 4 years ago
what i wanted to say:
there is no direct relation between the social, racial or economical group one belongs to, and the moral character one poseses. People's moral character should be used to evaluate if someone is good or bad rather than ones affiliated social group.
Supenmanu 4 years ago
and most of the poverty surrounding 20th century 'communist' states has to do with bureaucratization of the communist parties where a some-what new ruling class arises (i.e. like stalin in the soviet union). this is too much to some up. 'why read marx today' by johnathan wolff is a good start.
IntelligentHoodlum 4 years ago