@ChikinMcNuggets but looks like NLP does not work for him...oh I forgot..NLP states: "there's no failure, only feedback (learning experience)"
it works if you want to make money on teaching how to improve your life...even if it does not work in Bandler's life and there's no official science proof
@PatJD91 Well... from my own experiecne: self-hypnosis can help. Meditation, tantra, yoga, and all other forms of mindfulness practice are ENORMOUSLY helpful. NLP is fun, and a huge promise, but it doesn't deliver. It's a funny game for children, not much more.
NLP Is very Unique Study of Mind Sciences and it is the Knowledge, which can be use for good purpose and also for bad purpose so far. It's Up to YOU that do you want it to use for good purpose. I know two Trainers in Pakistan, Faiez Hasan Seyal and Dr. Muhammad Arif Siddiqui. They bring positive change in both Business field as well as personal development. That's why, I say it's good for those who want positive change in the lives of others.
@PokerVT1 Yes, you bet. I can point you at so many people who've overcome phobias that it seems to be a joke that these techniques aren't used by the big health services of the world. It's extraordinarily effective against phobias.
NLP really is overhyped, it wouldn't be so bad and even useful if they would accept some objectivity and get real with their sensational claims. It isn't a science because people like Bandler don't want it to be (he wouldn't get the respect or the wealth if he did). I studied NLP for years and believed everything that was said but have recently started to see through it. Mainstream science isn't as sensational, it won't cure everyone in ten minutes, it welcomes critique and is respected by more
@darthnegate NLP should never be used on neuroatypicals.
If your a regular person and you want to subject yourself to NLP to get over your fear of heights go right ahead it may help it probably wouldn't hurt.
But, as someone who has seen it used and been inside an asylum, anything done with confidence to "cure" a nueroatypical is going to be a train wreck. The fact that this guy believes he can fix people easily is disturbing.
@Briancmwilliams my point is that people with phobias (anxieties) are a different class than those classified as neurodivergent! He doesn't cure what can't be cured. You obviously can't use nlp on someone with autism, yet very well on a person fearful from heights.
@Briancmwilliams thank you! I would like to thank my mom, my dad for supporting me..I would like to thank God..especially I would like to thank John Gridner and Richard Bandler for discovering the method of NLP, a method where people with phobias can be cured! and I would also like to thank you as I re-realized that getting involved in youtube comments is just nothing but a pointless waste of time!
@Lloyidian I would have complemented your liberal use of snark, but then you finished it off with sucking off a man you never met and then a plea for being the only sane man on the internet.
Trust me your not and your not different ... not even in a bad way.
I have a few reservations about this guy..(if it sounds to good to be true, then it isn't). First, In the DVDs i saw of him he constantly mentioned money. he also claims to have helped all these wealthy sports people earning him millions of dollars, yet he still charges a fortune for his seminars and products.... Maybe he is that good if he's conning all of you guys....
PS... Richard you are a great hypnotist. Why don't you just say that NLP is only effective if under trance state for subconscious and conscious receptivity for permanent results. Just my personal opinion - you are a good bloke but.
I'd love to bet against that. This is what makes these guys so lacking in credibility.
Check this out: if Tony Robbins can dupe 1,000,000 people into buying one of his books and 99% of readers think it was nonsense and one out of a hundred thought it was brilliant, he could then write a 500-page book of testimonials.
Please do bet against it; we always appreciate extra payment for our work.
It's true, though, that NLP-ers tend to lack credibility; we tend to view backing up the obvious as unnecessary, and that's admittedly very contrary to Western culture. A Canadian university recently did a study and "discovered" that elderly people tend to consume more medications than their younger counterparts.
But please, remember to hear from both sides of the argument before you decide who's right or wrong.
Milton Erickson never suggested he could do that himself. As a matter of fact, HE admitted the obvious: NO intervention has been known to be efficacious with every patient. And Richard Bandler and/or Tony Robbins are not, nor ever will be, in the same league as Dr. Erickson. He was as much a "freak" in his craft as was Mozart or Picasso.
I KNOW both sides of this argument and such claims don't pass the laugh test--no matter what you get paid.
part of nlp is hypnosis.i read an article in prevention (or was it readers' digest?) magazine a couple years ago that said that the human brain looks different when in an hypnotic trance.researchers have examined hypnotized peoples' brains using mri when they're in a trance and have publicly stated that the human brain looks different when it's in a trance.so THERE'S ACTUALLY A PHYSICAL EFFECT WITH HYPNOSIS.
I have been studying NLP for 10 years now, I can not get rid of this (phobia) or what ever it is. I was #3 in the world at X-games BMX vert, I got this thing that ruined my career. Its not really a phobia, its more like a lose wire on a control switch. Imagine if there was an electrical short in the derailer on train tracks, you think you're going north and all of a sudden you go south. There is no fear it just happens all of a sudden, dont understand it.
@donovanritter - if there's no fear there's no phobia so the typical phobia cure wont work.
Try some mindful meditation, figure out what's actually going on then find someone who's overcome it or the formula thats already out there to overcome it
@donovanritter dont really get what you mean by that but if there is no medical condition for what u have why not just visit a good nlp or hypnosis guy try it
why the hell does everybody leave out the area of NLP which is used to manipulate people ??? the name NLP sounds even more suitable when studying that area .
Maybe NLP is the product of and resource for deep personal observation, but maybe it's the humanist's "spirituality", too. Anyone have any thoughts about that?
NLP-NEURO- Nervous system through which the experience is received and processed through the five senses. LINGUISTIC- Language and nonverbal communication systems through which neural representations are coded,ordered and given meaning. PROGRAMMING-The ability to organize our communication and neurological systems to achieve specific desired goals and results.
why the hell does everybody leave out the area of NLP which is used to manipulate people ??? the name NLP sounds even more suitable when studying that area .
@satishimf Just because a name's etymology may imply a meaning (even though Neuro is not synonymous with 'nervous system" anyway) doesn't mean that it means that. Just take Intelligent Design for example. There's nothing intelligent about it. So what? NLP is an unproven technique. It will probably be as legit as phrenology in 50 years.
@biglmac Cognitive science has accepted NLP...NLP is a subjective experience...If it works for you take it...Else drop it and take some other thing which is useful...As an individual NLP has been useful to me...
No...This is not scientology...This is all about modelling excellence...For example, if a person gets up early in the morning by 5 am daily on a consistent basis, using NLP you can find out how that person did that on a consistent basis...That is, what are his thought processes, how did he use his physiology, what are his beliefs etc...Once you find that you can take that and do it for yourself..
You will also produce the same kind of result similar to the person who did that earlier..
Cool! I like how you described with your example what NLP does. I mean by the example of if a person gets up early in the morning.
Cool Stuff.
I believe that wealthy people have certain patterns that the rest of the population don't have but if some one poor wanted to be wealthy all he/she had to do was study the patterns, thought process and habits of the wealthy individual. I don't know for sure but my minds suggest that it could happen.
What is "mobbing bossing"? (Now everybody will break out the meta-model ;). I suspect something like "circle of power" could help, or get you fired... :-)
Sometimes it can be done in ten minutes, often it takes longer. The mechanics of the fast phobia cure do not take long but often the 'set-up' takes a while. These techniques work, I have been successful with clients literally thousands of times over the past 12 years.
Setting up conditioned responses, anchors, can take a while (well it can take me a while, anyway). Also, if my client turns up crying, and white with terror, it can take a little while to settle them down. Also, running a series of hypnotic metaphors with a bunch of embedded commands before you actually do 'the technique' can make it easier. Having said that, sometimes you can get people to stop being phobic within a couple of minutes, though for me that is the exception rather than the rule.
This man is a murderer and a con artist. Look him up. And look up NLP, according to everyone that has ever studied it (excluding NLP's) it doesn't work.
Neuroscientists will only be interested in subjectivity as epiphenomena for the most part, so yul likely be out of luck there. However, think of the sexiest person doing the sexiest thing you can imagine to you. Your thinking will have an impact on your physiology. Epiphenomenalism will say the cause of this is purely physical i.e. your thinking is subordinate to your brain chemistry, not vice versa. A materialist scientist seems to have little choice but to view subjectivity as epiphenomena
I think the following presupposition of NLP precludes it from 'empirical psychological research': if what you are doing is not working, do something else. However, supposing you have an imagination and some level of awareness of your physiology, you can have a go at playing around with the effects of altering submodality distinctions and see what if anything works for you. NLP is a 'science of subjectivity' - something you want to change?, substantiate it for yourself - otherwise, no big deal
That is nonsense. Prayer also effectively "works" for a large percentage of the population, as does voodoo. And supposing it does not work, how do we know that we are just no "utilizing our imagination for effective submodality distinctions", or some other mumbo jumbo. "Not working" can be explained away by any belief system. If your healing crystals are not "working" then probably your "negativity is blocking the flow of energy". Scientific empiricism avoids such pithless explanations.
P.S. Psychology also deals with subjective concepts. CBT, for instance, deals with mental states, which are certainly subjective, but the theories can still be validated empirically.
Use what effectively works to effect change. That seems sensible, yes. Practical reason: if you will some end, take the most effective means to that end. Seems to me you are looking at this from a different angle. NLP is not attempting to explain anything or tell you the truth. It's about exploring the freedom to do whatever you want in life - that's got very little to do with truth. except insofar as you tell it. Want change? Study NLP. Want to test psy theories, go to Uni, get a degree.
ya i think this is where thinking goes wrong, your right that we all create our own subjective states but i think Objective mind states can be created when we rationally construct our thoughts and feelings based on evidence which is what leads then to facts. I think we can apply this in all areas of thinking .
The point is, the use of empirical methodology (especially in the behavioral sciences) is fraught with problems. "Assessing whether something works"? According to what criteria? As you mentioned earlier, many will verify that prayer works reliably, but it doesn't sound like you accept that. What makes scientific empiricism so special?
The point is, nothing makes empiricism special, but the challenge to you is...what is the preferred alternative? Empiricism is special simply because it is the best we've got. It is better than falling victim the the various biases and fallacies that can influence unsophisticated reasoning.
This is not to say that empiricism cannot err or that there are not truths that are true despite the fact that science cannot verify them.
I have approached several university faculties to set up a test to demonstrate the effectiveness of NLP for phobic response. I use NLP regularly on clients and have dealt with phobias often. The fastest cure was 4 minutes. The longest took 8 hours.
Every faculty I approach dismisses this out of hand. I've come to the conclusion that the funding structure actually works against proving it. Can it really be that they prefer to get funding to study phobics, rather than see them "cured" quickly?
could anyone hear the embedded commands... they where well done Richard Bandler.
timelapsetimes4 2 weeks ago
@pogromcAbsurdow yes
ChikinMcNuggets 4 weeks ago
@ChikinMcNuggets but looks like NLP does not work for him...oh I forgot..NLP states: "there's no failure, only feedback (learning experience)"
it works if you want to make money on teaching how to improve your life...even if it does not work in Bandler's life and there's no official science proof
good luck
pogromcAbsurdow 3 weeks ago
does nlp work towards depression?
PatJD91 1 month ago
@PatJD91 Well... from my own experiecne: self-hypnosis can help. Meditation, tantra, yoga, and all other forms of mindfulness practice are ENORMOUSLY helpful. NLP is fun, and a huge promise, but it doesn't deliver. It's a funny game for children, not much more.
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NLP Is very Unique Study of Mind Sciences and it is the Knowledge, which can be use for good purpose and also for bad purpose so far. It's Up to YOU that do you want it to use for good purpose. I know two Trainers in Pakistan, Faiez Hasan Seyal and Dr. Muhammad Arif Siddiqui. They bring positive change in both Business field as well as personal development. That's why, I say it's good for those who want positive change in the lives of others.
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apolit11 1 month ago
yum, snake oil....great to cook with
mobileaarmy 4 months ago
has anyone here actually got rid of a phobia using NLP?
PokerVT1 5 months ago
@PokerVT1 Yes, you bet. I can point you at so many people who've overcome phobias that it seems to be a joke that these techniques aren't used by the big health services of the world. It's extraordinarily effective against phobias.
lifeisamazingcouk 2 months ago
@lifeisamazingcouk also against our children, at schools, to push and further this corrupt system.
WAKE UP PLEASE!
B00MK 1 month ago
@B00MK What a strange statement, and an odd twist of the word "against". That's like saying helping people to have greater freedom is a bad thing.
lifeisamazingcouk 1 month ago
NLP really is overhyped, it wouldn't be so bad and even useful if they would accept some objectivity and get real with their sensational claims. It isn't a science because people like Bandler don't want it to be (he wouldn't get the respect or the wealth if he did). I studied NLP for years and believed everything that was said but have recently started to see through it. Mainstream science isn't as sensational, it won't cure everyone in ten minutes, it welcomes critique and is respected by more
Ormstono1 6 months ago
@Ormstono1 If you think you saw through it, perhaps you never really saw it.
bobolith 4 months ago
good
ArtByLetters 8 months ago
This guy is just brillient psychotherapist. No wonder the master himself Dr.Milton Hyland Erickson give him the thrumbs up with NLP.
Its just a shame that he kills hookers, and not to mention the lawsuit he brought up against his former partner John Grinder was just atrocious.
CrusaderDom3 9 months ago
NLP is probably a good collection of powerful methods and techniques that mostly stem from others, like Milton Erickson.
Apart from that, the comments here show that many people are very suggestible..
pr4nk5tr 10 months ago
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ok i will give you my wallet
electronicballast 11 months ago
Great guy! I just love the way he explains stuff. Noone really comes close to Bandler in my opinion.
HypnoTop 11 months ago
@darthnegate NLP should never be used on neuroatypicals.
If your a regular person and you want to subject yourself to NLP to get over your fear of heights go right ahead it may help it probably wouldn't hurt.
But, as someone who has seen it used and been inside an asylum, anything done with confidence to "cure" a nueroatypical is going to be a train wreck. The fact that this guy believes he can fix people easily is disturbing.
Briancmwilliams 1 year ago
@Briancmwilliams he has never claimed to cure these people!!! phobias or anxieties are not the same!
Lloyidian 1 year ago
@Lloyidian phobias are just intense anxieties so i dont see your point.
Briancmwilliams 1 year ago
@Briancmwilliams my point is that people with phobias (anxieties) are a different class than those classified as neurodivergent! He doesn't cure what can't be cured. You obviously can't use nlp on someone with autism, yet very well on a person fearful from heights.
Lloyidian 1 year ago
@Lloyidian Congratulations that may be the most bigoted thing I've heard in 2011 come up and collect your trophy.
Briancmwilliams 1 year ago
@Briancmwilliams thank you! I would like to thank my mom, my dad for supporting me..I would like to thank God..especially I would like to thank John Gridner and Richard Bandler for discovering the method of NLP, a method where people with phobias can be cured! and I would also like to thank you as I re-realized that getting involved in youtube comments is just nothing but a pointless waste of time!
Lloyidian 1 year ago
@Lloyidian I would have complemented your liberal use of snark, but then you finished it off with sucking off a man you never met and then a plea for being the only sane man on the internet.
Trust me your not and your not different ... not even in a bad way.
Briancmwilliams 1 year ago
@Briancmwilliams Can you define "neuroatypical" please?
polyopulis 10 months ago
I have a few reservations about this guy..(if it sounds to good to be true, then it isn't). First, In the DVDs i saw of him he constantly mentioned money. he also claims to have helped all these wealthy sports people earning him millions of dollars, yet he still charges a fortune for his seminars and products.... Maybe he is that good if he's conning all of you guys....
Jebus2Jebus 1 year ago
PS... Richard you are a great hypnotist. Why don't you just say that NLP is only effective if under trance state for subconscious and conscious receptivity for permanent results. Just my personal opinion - you are a good bloke but.
WeirdoSchizo 1 year ago
Richard number One!!!!
francoard 1 year ago
I love Richard, he is a complete genius!
powerfulsexyprincess 1 year ago
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Yes, i totally agree. As a Los Angeles Life Coach, also Known as Coach Hollywood, NLP is the way to be an effective communicator!
losangeleslifecoachh 1 year ago
Love ya Richard !
mindprogrammer 1 year ago
@Unzaman I thought it was a waistcoat...
xD
Lsdfunk 1 year ago
@BensTopics
I'd love to bet against that. This is what makes these guys so lacking in credibility.
Check this out: if Tony Robbins can dupe 1,000,000 people into buying one of his books and 99% of readers think it was nonsense and one out of a hundred thought it was brilliant, he could then write a 500-page book of testimonials.
Speaking of Robbins, what's Kevin Trudeau up to?
YD8189 1 year ago
@YD8189
Please do bet against it; we always appreciate extra payment for our work.
It's true, though, that NLP-ers tend to lack credibility; we tend to view backing up the obvious as unnecessary, and that's admittedly very contrary to Western culture. A Canadian university recently did a study and "discovered" that elderly people tend to consume more medications than their younger counterparts.
But please, remember to hear from both sides of the argument before you decide who's right or wrong.
ARyttz 1 year ago
@ARyttz
EVERY phobia; EVERY time?
Milton Erickson never suggested he could do that himself. As a matter of fact, HE admitted the obvious: NO intervention has been known to be efficacious with every patient. And Richard Bandler and/or Tony Robbins are not, nor ever will be, in the same league as Dr. Erickson. He was as much a "freak" in his craft as was Mozart or Picasso.
I KNOW both sides of this argument and such claims don't pass the laugh test--no matter what you get paid.
YD8189 1 year ago
@YD8189
You're assuming a random YouTube comment is a completely accurate quote? It isn't.
I thought you were referring to the possibility of a ten-minute cure. You're right; of course it isn't possible to cure *everything* that quickly.
ARyttz 1 year ago
part of nlp is hypnosis.i read an article in prevention (or was it readers' digest?) magazine a couple years ago that said that the human brain looks different when in an hypnotic trance.researchers have examined hypnotized peoples' brains using mri when they're in a trance and have publicly stated that the human brain looks different when it's in a trance.so THERE'S ACTUALLY A PHYSICAL EFFECT WITH HYPNOSIS.
mssharpie 1 year ago
I have been studying NLP for 10 years now, I can not get rid of this (phobia) or what ever it is. I was #3 in the world at X-games BMX vert, I got this thing that ruined my career. Its not really a phobia, its more like a lose wire on a control switch. Imagine if there was an electrical short in the derailer on train tracks, you think you're going north and all of a sudden you go south. There is no fear it just happens all of a sudden, dont understand it.
donovanritter 1 year ago
@donovanritter - if there's no fear there's no phobia so the typical phobia cure wont work.
Try some mindful meditation, figure out what's actually going on then find someone who's overcome it or the formula thats already out there to overcome it
11younggun11 1 year ago
@donovanritter dont really get what you mean by that but if there is no medical condition for what u have why not just visit a good nlp or hypnosis guy try it
haris000000 1 year ago
Your mind is hard wired like a computer and can be reprogrammed! Thank God or I'd be dead!
Sober since 6-20-06
There is hope, find yours today! ~Debbie:)
MontanaDreamaker 1 year ago 2
great comment!
StreetEnglishTV 1 year ago
why the hell does everybody leave out the area of NLP which is used to manipulate people ??? the name NLP sounds even more suitable when studying that area .
speedjounetsu 1 year ago
@speedjounetsu Were all manipulating each other and things all the time. Although some of us have different intentions.
evanarke 1 year ago
Maybe NLP is the product of and resource for deep personal observation, but maybe it's the humanist's "spirituality", too. Anyone have any thoughts about that?
GiLGiJ 2 years ago
Is NLP rooted in the ancient mystery religions? Is it something kinda like what some ancient magic was all about?
GiLGiJ 2 years ago
It is based in cybernetics, linguistics and information systems. The ancient mysteries teach Luciferianism.
robmatlivingstone 1 year ago
What Jacket? He is wearing a waistcoat LOL
whitenightf3 2 years ago
RB seems to be mostly concerned with the erotics of power
transfixedtornado 2 years ago
lol, so off
Chieldeberzerker 2 years ago
Over all NLP is all about how both verbal and nonverbal communications affect our nervous system...
satishimf 2 years ago 2
No it's not.
They don't look into the nervous system at all.
biglmac 2 years ago
NLP-NEURO- Nervous system through which the experience is received and processed through the five senses. LINGUISTIC- Language and nonverbal communication systems through which neural representations are coded,ordered and given meaning. PROGRAMMING-The ability to organize our communication and neurological systems to achieve specific desired goals and results.
satishimf 2 years ago 17
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why the hell does everybody leave out the area of NLP which is used to manipulate people ??? the name NLP sounds even more suitable when studying that area .
speedjounetsu 1 year ago
@satishimf Just because a name's etymology may imply a meaning (even though Neuro is not synonymous with 'nervous system" anyway) doesn't mean that it means that. Just take Intelligent Design for example. There's nothing intelligent about it. So what? NLP is an unproven technique. It will probably be as legit as phrenology in 50 years.
biglmac 1 year ago
@biglmac Cognitive science has accepted NLP...NLP is a subjective experience...If it works for you take it...Else drop it and take some other thing which is useful...As an individual NLP has been useful to me...
satishimf 1 year ago
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apolit11 2 months ago
No...This is not scientology...This is all about modelling excellence...For example, if a person gets up early in the morning by 5 am daily on a consistent basis, using NLP you can find out how that person did that on a consistent basis...That is, what are his thought processes, how did he use his physiology, what are his beliefs etc...Once you find that you can take that and do it for yourself..
You will also produce the same kind of result similar to the person who did that earlier..
satishimf 2 years ago
Cool! I like how you described with your example what NLP does. I mean by the example of if a person gets up early in the morning.
Cool Stuff.
I believe that wealthy people have certain patterns that the rest of the population don't have but if some one poor wanted to be wealthy all he/she had to do was study the patterns, thought process and habits of the wealthy individual. I don't know for sure but my minds suggest that it could happen.
Thanks for your comment.
mercurio0000 2 years ago
Thank you...I hope that i made some difference in your life...God bless you...
satishimf 2 years ago
It did. I learned something new or a new way to see it. So thank you for posting your comment.
;-)
mercurio0000 2 years ago
hehyehehe
that was funny!
I think the man is a genious, have some of his books and have seen all his videos!
maxxsee 2 years ago
he said fuddling.
tjmercer 2 years ago 2
1:37 he says fuding people who got over phobias lol
butterz2butterz2 2 years ago
hum...
ComedyTragedy101 2 years ago
Can NLP help against mobbing bossing ??? thanks very much hi very hi
bandleriano 2 years ago
What is "mobbing bossing"? (Now everybody will break out the meta-model ;). I suspect something like "circle of power" could help, or get you fired... :-)
RichardD42 2 years ago
Sometimes it can be done in ten minutes, often it takes longer. The mechanics of the fast phobia cure do not take long but often the 'set-up' takes a while. These techniques work, I have been successful with clients literally thousands of times over the past 12 years.
JustBeWell 2 years ago
Often it takes longer? What makes it take longer? And what do you mean "set up"? Little confused lol
xirishmagicx 2 years ago
Setting up conditioned responses, anchors, can take a while (well it can take me a while, anyway). Also, if my client turns up crying, and white with terror, it can take a little while to settle them down. Also, running a series of hypnotic metaphors with a bunch of embedded commands before you actually do 'the technique' can make it easier. Having said that, sometimes you can get people to stop being phobic within a couple of minutes, though for me that is the exception rather than the rule.
JustBeWell 2 years ago
That comment was the most clear, concise, and fair that I have ever seen on youtube. That rocks!!
xirishmagicx 2 years ago
These guys made a huge contribution to understanding psychological functioning.
Yet, and that is bad, they promise to cope with phobias in 10 minutes. Thats nicely said overconfident.
szt1964 2 years ago
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This man is a murderer and a con artist. Look him up. And look up NLP, according to everyone that has ever studied it (excluding NLP's) it doesn't work.
gspeters 3 years ago
Can someone diret me to some nueroscientist who advocate NLP?
CrowdPleeza 3 years ago
Neuroscientists will only be interested in subjectivity as epiphenomena for the most part, so yul likely be out of luck there. However, think of the sexiest person doing the sexiest thing you can imagine to you. Your thinking will have an impact on your physiology. Epiphenomenalism will say the cause of this is purely physical i.e. your thinking is subordinate to your brain chemistry, not vice versa. A materialist scientist seems to have little choice but to view subjectivity as epiphenomena
johnny1250000 3 years ago
Then perhaps someone can direct me to some psychological research that has substantiated NLP empirically.
mmafan35 2 years ago
I think the following presupposition of NLP precludes it from 'empirical psychological research': if what you are doing is not working, do something else. However, supposing you have an imagination and some level of awareness of your physiology, you can have a go at playing around with the effects of altering submodality distinctions and see what if anything works for you. NLP is a 'science of subjectivity' - something you want to change?, substantiate it for yourself - otherwise, no big deal
johnny1250000 2 years ago
That is nonsense. Prayer also effectively "works" for a large percentage of the population, as does voodoo. And supposing it does not work, how do we know that we are just no "utilizing our imagination for effective submodality distinctions", or some other mumbo jumbo. "Not working" can be explained away by any belief system. If your healing crystals are not "working" then probably your "negativity is blocking the flow of energy". Scientific empiricism avoids such pithless explanations.
mmafan35 2 years ago
P.S. Psychology also deals with subjective concepts. CBT, for instance, deals with mental states, which are certainly subjective, but the theories can still be validated empirically.
mmafan35 2 years ago
Use what effectively works to effect change. That seems sensible, yes. Practical reason: if you will some end, take the most effective means to that end. Seems to me you are looking at this from a different angle. NLP is not attempting to explain anything or tell you the truth. It's about exploring the freedom to do whatever you want in life - that's got very little to do with truth. except insofar as you tell it. Want change? Study NLP. Want to test psy theories, go to Uni, get a degree.
johnny1250000 2 years ago 8
ya i think this is where thinking goes wrong, your right that we all create our own subjective states but i think Objective mind states can be created when we rationally construct our thoughts and feelings based on evidence which is what leads then to facts. I think we can apply this in all areas of thinking .
Bigturns33 2 years ago
And then maybe someone can direct me to some research that substantiates the use of empirical methodology in psychology.
bretttheguy 2 years ago
What needs to be substantiated? An empirical methodology, simply put, is assessing whether something works reliably and for the reasons it claims.
mmafan35 2 years ago
The point is, the use of empirical methodology (especially in the behavioral sciences) is fraught with problems. "Assessing whether something works"? According to what criteria? As you mentioned earlier, many will verify that prayer works reliably, but it doesn't sound like you accept that. What makes scientific empiricism so special?
bretttheguy 2 years ago
The point is, nothing makes empiricism special, but the challenge to you is...what is the preferred alternative? Empiricism is special simply because it is the best we've got. It is better than falling victim the the various biases and fallacies that can influence unsophisticated reasoning.
This is not to say that empiricism cannot err or that there are not truths that are true despite the fact that science cannot verify them.
But it has done pretty darn good I'd say.
mmafan35 2 years ago
I have approached several university faculties to set up a test to demonstrate the effectiveness of NLP for phobic response. I use NLP regularly on clients and have dealt with phobias often. The fastest cure was 4 minutes. The longest took 8 hours.
Every faculty I approach dismisses this out of hand. I've come to the conclusion that the funding structure actually works against proving it. Can it really be that they prefer to get funding to study phobics, rather than see them "cured" quickly?
Tobobooks 2 years ago
Awesome! Thanks for the vid :)
RichardMacilwaine 3 years ago
right on brutha
HarleyStcool 3 years ago