Dude. Really!!! Didn't you over ride your O2 sensor. As the hho cleans and purifies the burn in the combustion chamber the O2 sensor calls for more fuel. If you don't override the O2 sensor. The hho is counter productive. You don't seem to have a clue.
You need to do your test on an old car berated engine. Like a 1972 ford. Then you'll get the results your looking for.
Ok,.. You have a V-10 Ford truck (not cheap) yet live in a trailer park in more than likely a home that cost less than your truck, and your trying to spend a bunch of money to save gas money in this truck.. Can we say priority issues?
...also, Hydrogen can be extracted from water very efficiently by vibrating the water at 923 Hz while electralysis is occuring. Modulate the 923 Hz at a high output which takes very little energy. 55 LPMs takes 55 amps in a very efficient regular electralysis method but 55 LPMs takes only 8 amps when adding the very strong 923 Hz to coils placed within the dry cell.
It is obvious that this guy has a problem in the EFIE chip. The Electronic Fuel Injector Enhancer is not pushing the requirement of liquid fuel from the normal 4 or 5 down to 2 or 1 as it should to allow the enginge to run smoothly on the Hydrogen. Instead the EFIE chip is likely at 3. Likewise, he likely never retarded the timing to compensate for the faster burn of Hydrogen. In addition, why in the world is he running all our at 20 LPM when only 10 to 12 is needed? Excessive use of HHO.
It is obvious that this guy has a problem in the EFIE chip. The Electronic Fuel Injector Enhancer is not pushing the requirement of liquid fuel from the normal 4 or 5 down to 2 or 1 as it should to allow the enginge to run smoothly on the Hydrogen. Instead the EFIE chip is likely at 3. Likewise, he likely never retarded the timing to compensate for the faster burn of Hydrogen. In addition, why in the world is he running all our at 20 LPM when only 10 to 12 is needed? Excessive use of HHO.
you also have to trick your ECU. Your onboard computer will sabotage your results. The computer does not recognize the combustability of the HHO and therefore thinks that the engine is being starved. It in turn increases the flow of the gasoline, thus reducing your mileage. Frankly, if this hadn't been done, I'm suprised that the HHO run wasn't less than the straight gas run. Do the same thing on a carburated car, ditch the computer, do the math.... then see what happens.
@MrReworx I agree, the ECU does not comprehend a gas injected compared to the gasoline. Volume, combustion and efficiency is very different. Them milage computers are not calibrated for HHO. Smart man
the trick of making lots of hydrogen on Demand is to get it in vapor form. Get the water to flow through a hose to a Glass tube and use lasers to break up the hydrogen from the water. it uses pulse and very little amps. trying to get hydrogen out of a bucket or jar of water takes to much energy. all that water together will sucks those amps and do litle
You would need a flow of 700-1000 L/min in order to hardly make a dent at idle speeds. :)
HHO is a nice thought, but you would have to store LOTS of it to make a difference. If you were to make even 100L/min you would kill your alternator in no time.
It's really easy to separates the Hydrogen from Oxigen, people says that is really expensive, but it's a "scam from bought scientists", i'm makin a desing that will work with HH only, it's like a destilation column.. really easy.. on the next i'll show all of you...
beautiful drive.... where was this filmed? and just out of curiosity, you said you were pumpind 100% pure hydrogen, now i know during the process of electrolysis oxygen comes off anode and hydrogen comes off cathode or vice versa, just curious if you are separating the 2 gases or just pumping straight hho mix not that i have advice to offer lol just out of curiosity
First of all using hydrogen the timing has to be topdead center.. When you mix with gas it changes the fate of how the gas burns.. Thats why i am interested in going hydrogen all the way.. Not mixing with gas.
@adam3176 My recent understanding is, by using hydrox, (all the components created by electrolysis) You can pretty much do away with air intake. Since hydrox brings in it's own oxygen. And pure at that.
After concluding this, I also realized that the combustion chamber may have to be reduced in size too.
a1mint is an idiot! and that's official! to say that there's no such thing as 'excess electricity' is absurd! hope he tries to stick his finger in a wall socket and then say say there's no such thing as excess electricity! lmfao!
Yeah, without an EFIE the addition of an HHO Generator will usually produce WORSE results, this is why most people call HHO a scam because the o2 sensors is reading the additional oxygen coming in from the HHO generator and causes the computer to think that the engine is running too LEAN because it senses more oxygen than fuel coming to the sensor. When you tap into the o2 sensor you can trick it too think that the engine is running too RICH and actually use that hydrogen.
I would recomend putting your computer on a switch instead of removing the battery,you can also pull some good milage by altering the ect(engine coolant temp) and this will give you more milage the hho cell. this sensor sets the fuel map for the computer(hot=less fuel/cold = more fuel) you do not want to go high enough to turn on fans. you can watch the temperature rise on the scan gauge.
50k pot. will do it just test cold resistance and then hot resistance,(the sensor is 2 stage)
If you want to dial your truck in you need to get your o2 sensors unplugged to test.this only works for a couple key cycles.then you need to reset the adaptive memory (unpluging the battery).the trucks default sensor reading is .5 volt this will alow you to test the hho,you will not be able to use the scangauge becuse it is a calculation based on the computers sensors(if unplugged it will lie).
man you have to fool the computer to be able to get the benefit of hho.
unhooking your battery only resets your adaptive memory. the first three minutes of a drive are the cold fuel settings untill it goes into closed loop.
20 LPM is a lot! From what I have been learning about HHO and using it it increase fuel economy, it is supposed to take the place of some of the fuel you would normally burn. There seem to be issues with newer vehicles computers reading the MAFS and O2's having too much O2 when you just pump the HHO in and go. You need to find a way to fool you vehicles computer a bit so it puts less gasoline in so the HHO can be used in it's place. I am about to install a unit in my 1983 Datsun Pulsar.
Unless you are using something to reduce fuel injection in proportion to gas injection you will use the same amount of fuel. Very simple and easy to understand, so learn how engines work! If you want to be fooled and conned by people then that is up to you. The rest of us that know how engines work know it is a scam. People sell this stuff to make money from gullible fools like yourself, they know you don't have the knowledge to challenge them - the types that buy big exhausts!!!!! very sad!
great effort really like this video. Ive never done it but I think the burn rate of hydrogen is so fast that you need to adjust the ingnition timming to after top dead certer. Otherwise the hydrogen burns so quick I think it puts back preassure on the crank. But Im not sure what effect this would have on the motor running without hydrogen. I imagin it would run rough?
@IsItTrue99 You are absolutely correct. My experiments were driven to only add HH or HHO to an existing engine setup. The whole idea for me was to increase MPG in today's vehicles. I found that in order to continue with the experiments I would have to modify the existing engine setup--this would complicate the on/off use of HH or HHO. I was not willing to do this. I will however, resume experiments at a later date to include any adjustments including computer, 02 sensors, timing etc.
@paul84838 thats well in mate. look forward to your next trial. I recon that hho injection would probably be best on the highway. Maybe with a seperate injector system setup to inject after TDC-for conventional vehicles.
@paul84838 Something else ive been thinking of is that HHO is an exploseve mixture in its self. therfore unlike a covenional ICE no air is needed for combustion. that said what sort of volume of hho is needed?. Id like to do a trial with the motor cpmpletly choked off and only hho injected after TDC.
@IsItTrue99 You are correct about the timing your are making the eng run backwards a little so you loose any gain you would have had . Hydrogen is light it also depends on where you put your hydrogen into the intake manifold remember hydrogen is a light gas that floats up
You'll get better results in a 4 cylinder vehicle. This guy on here John Arons has managed to get his Toyota Corolla running on pure HHO alone. Try using a pulse width modulator with your system. You may get better results.
@wingnut4427 I know John Aarons. We've talked on the phone. He does not run his 4cyl on 100% HHO, nor would he want anyone to think that. John is a great guy with an amazing desire to tinker and he's very honest and straight forward with his disclaimers.
@paul84838 I sent him a question once but He never got back to me on it. Perhaps you could answer it. Considering the molecular make up of Hydrogen peroxide. Could you actually get a higher output of gas from it? HH OO ??
@wingnut4427 I would say that any peroxide used would take up the space that water would yield in the way of HHO. I haven't tried the mix and would doubt any real outcome would warrant the effort.
In relation to mass, hydrogen produces 2.5 times the heat of combustion than gasoline. However, in terms of volume it takes 4.286 times more liquid hydrogen than gasoline to produce the same amount of energy.
because standard piston engines are so inefficient, gas is essential because of its high energy density. It would not be cost effective to stick a giant hydrogen tank in a small piston engine car that can only travel 100 miles before needing a refill.
For instance, the new BMW hydrogen 7 holds 110 liters of liquid hydrogen (93,280 liters of uncompressed hydrogen gas) and only goes 125 miles, where as the 19.5 gal gas tank can travel 300 miles. Thats 746.24L per mile, at 60mph its 746.24 L/minute. What we need is a new engine concept that is a lot more efficient than a standard piston engine. only then will hydrogen become a reasonable choice over gas (or a mixture of the two)
haha, lol... Thats why people have been running briggs and strat 4 strokes on HHO.
The only reason HHO generators at present cant run cars alone is production is insufficient.
Stoimetric ratio for gasoline is 14.7:1
Stoimetric ratio for hydrogen is 34:1
After doing the math you will find you need at least a couple hundred liters per minute to run a small car, and an upwards of 600-700 liters per minute to run a V8 decently. According to the math conversions. So for now we mix them.
@RTJaKaL ???? you r just repeating what I said!! Cant make enough HHO to run an engine, not even to make a difference of 0.1% The fuel air ratios (Stoimetric) you mention just make my argument stronger!!!
@forfunmx : I dont disagree with your data, I do disagree with your pessimism, cant give up when there is more research and development to be done. :)
@forfunmx I guess what I am saying is that your not wrong in that most HHO sales people are scammers, but anybody who has been around for a while knows that. But if we read between the lines we realize that fuel injected engines WONT EVER see any results since it adjusts the fuel mixture UP when burn efficiency improves making you USE MORE GAS to achieve the same amount of "acceptable waste" out of the exhaust. But this does not disqualify H2 as a viable fuel for internal combustion engines...
@forfunmx : They dont give us enough room to make adequate posts, lol.
Anyways, because of these dishonest HHO sales schemes it makes the "Make Hydrogen Yourself" tech seem completely unreliable when in reality we need to adjust our view and approach to it. Look up "United Nuclear" science lab supply company, they are working on a Hydrogen generator and H2 fuel implementation system that generates all your own H2 and runs the car off it completely. Its not available yet, but looks promising.
Because there are non, i fell for this hoax like other thousands, after two weeks of reaserch and having installed a 3ltr per min hho reactor i have no improvement in mileage or performance.
Im only thkfull because i didnt buy any instruction from fraudulent sites...
Now,i have learned over 15 reasons why it will not work. I will only mention 2 for lack of space.
Overall this might only work on 95 and BELOW vehicles but in todays age we have TESLA Car, other electric cars like "evcarco" And gas powered cars get as much as 30-50mpg. It is simply NOT WORTH THE TIME AND EFFORT.
You might utilize this technique to heat your home.
And since hydrogen is consumed by the engine INSTANTLY in a worst case scenario you might only explode 20lpm and thats only if your a MORON. moreover, you should place it in the CAB and NOT on the pass side seat.
I think you know that's not what I meant by "HOW". When I reply to a comment, I assume the video was watched and understood. There is no "on demand" system, they don't work. As I said before it's 40 lpm of pure Hydrogen. There is no Oxygen simulator. There is no "load" on the engine. The video was shot with an air meter. Hydrogen's density is 1/2 that.
Oh it's real alright. I would have loved to show how I was able to drive down the road with over 3,000 liters of pure Hydrogen. I got so frustrated during my testing that I took a chance to get major results. During editing, I realized I could never disclose "HOW". You'd be surprised how many crazy emails I got. I stopped my research before I killed myself or someone else.
some of you forget that fuel efficiency is not just measured in MPG, but horse power and torque produced,he may not have gained any milage but did he gain anywhere else in the spectrum.
which in a fuel injected engine that is computer controlled to run rich and lean cycles will just compensate for extra air (i.e. intake leak is all thats being created)
I have also found that the On Demand system will not work. If you watch my video you will see that it was with no load, meaning no unit installed. My HHO was made via Solar Power and the Oxygen was separated and vented to atmosphere. Still, a flow of 40 lpm, of pure Hydrogen, resulted in no MPG improvement. I didn't show exactly how I got this flow because of the dangers involved. I risked my life during this test but I had to know for myself.
Solar power produces practically no power at all. Solar power is *very* disappointing.
That video link has some interesting calculations. At one point I asked how many Watts of power you'd need to keep a car just moving at 60 mph. I can't remember but it's a number that house hold outlet couldn't even provide...
The end conclusion was that the amount of HHO produced, through an alternator, electrolysis, is like throwing a match in a forest fire. It does absolutely nothing.
... in fact, that video is probably the most damning video for the HHO cult yet. The entire HHO industry *IS* a scam. It's a bold in your face lie, and various people are trying to suck money from it, by selling parts. It's a complete setup. You can never get any of these people to properly test a complete installation, because they don't want to get exposed.
HHO has never and will never work, anywhere on earth, ever. It's a 100% scam.
@a1mint you completeley wasted your time writing that hunk of bull shitt. consider people with NOS or nitrous oxide that is injected into their cars. that just NOS alone can add almost 100 hp to a simle twin turbo v6 or v8, and on naturally aspirated motors a good 50 hp is added with a v6 with vvt. and some other small advances. now im not saying that theres no tuning involved with these mods. IT DOES WORK. thats why its illegal for street use (NOS). and why they question you at the strip.
@a1mint yes but you have to look at the fact they both are explosive/flameable whatever, they have such a great potential, im running this in my toyota tundra right now and i love it. i dont even produce alot with my spachula rig and all, but i dont have an oxygen sensor goin into the air intake so i actually get an increase in hp and gas mileage, hydrogen is the most abundant element and the most reactive, therefore more BOOM. eat it hater.
@davenportmt All you are saying is how you "like" something. That isn't scientific, and it doesn't prove that you can break the laws of nature.
The laws of nature dictate that you can not create or destroy energy. You can only convert it.
Hydrogen does not naturally occur on earth. You can create it by splitting water 2(H2O) into 2H2+O2, but that takes more energy than you get back from it by burning the hydrogen (which is combining with oxygen).
@a1mint any junior high chemisty student could have told repeated what you said. im not making "free energy" here. and im not trying to say i am. and splitting the water with 10 amps of energy does not take alot of energy away from a car, i have a 100 or 150 amp alternator on my tundra and i couldnt get it to draw past 100 amps when i had this system running, my stereo amp, headlights, and anything i could think of running. i informed my chemistry teacher and showed him this system and he never
@a1mint said anything that tried to stop me. im not trying to do anything but save alittle money at the pump. and ill even post a video to prove that i actually get 2mpg more than i do when i dont run the system.
@davenportmt The only difference in gas mileage can *only* be due to wishful driving.
You keep on missing the fact that you can not create or destroy energy.
You're saying that "10 amps" does not take a lot of energy away from the car. It takes whatever energy away from the car required to make that energy that you're taking away + overhead in heat losses due to the conversion process.
There, by definition, simply can NOT be any "gain" in any shape or form, it isn't possible.
@a1mint im not creating any energy here, im using the energy that would be wasted anyways because the alternator makes excess electricity anyways, i cranked up the truck used anything that would have used any electricity and only drew 95 amps at most. and i have a 110 amp alternator, therefore im using energy that actually goes to waste, so therefore i am helping my gas mileage and im not paying for it. it doeasnt all come out in the wash either. i made mine with ten dollars.. :p
@davenportmt The notion of "that would have been wasted" does not work. There is no such thing as "excess electricity". The alternator takes a certain amount energy to turn. Kinetic energy in = electric energy out + heat losses.
The "excess" or "waste" is ONLY that heat loss.
When you take electric energy from the alternator, the amount of kinetic energy that the alternator TAKES then goes UP by that much.
Also, electric energy is Wattage = Volts * Amperage.
@davenportmt will also mention that the alternator is rated at peak output, it does not produce 110amps all day everyday while the car is running, but can produce 110amps if the draw is there at a cost to extra engine labour
@a1mint ok tell me this, and cost isnt an issue, how to hybrids work? becuase if you cant create or destroy energy then why do you see an improvement at the pump? because some have the option not to charge at the wall, where the motor can just charge the batteries. i dont see why with the right tuning and mods the HHO systems wouldnt work? because to me its the same principal, its just converting energy to be used or burned in different forms.
@davenportmt if you dont already know why hho in its current form (being created at less then 100% faraday (efficient)) then you wont understand what i say. You need to understand the deficiences in a on demand hho system. I believe it can be made to work we just havent figured it out yet. Hybrids (like the prius) should not be seen as fuel effienct cars (which they are but no the best: honda insight 1996) they are just greener cars for emissions (post production)
@davenportmt also how are you comparing the difference at the pump? @ the heart of it a prius is a 1.5L ICE with an electric motor. Compared to any car with a >2.0L capacity its going to be better at the pump. Thats a given. The reason they see better MPG (and this is negligable: more on this later) is electrical motors are in the range of 80% efficieny where as ICE are 30% maybe) alternators are around 70% efficient. So getting driven by an eletric motor uses less total energy
@davenportmt i will also note that toyota also offer a corolla 1.6L ICE car. It gets .1L per 100Km worse fuel effieciency then a prius. It costs 12 thousand less then a prius. @todays fuel cost in AUS its nearly 20 years of driving before the prius would have been a better option to your hip pocket (if you use average kms/year of 20ooo) Its yet to be seen if a prius will last 400oookm but corollas have been knwn to make it.
why didn't you just plum a bottle of compressed hydrogen gas into the line that is what I assumed you did.
It would also be the fastest way to produce the data needed to test the amount of hydrogen needed to run the vehicle. just watch the episode of myth busters that is how they did it.
@a1mint Just shoot yourself and get if over with. You can express those opinions of yours all you want on you-tube, but do it in public, and you will get your ass handed to you by the laws of human nature. If you dont have anything nice or productive to say, shut the fuck up. There are people with good intentions, then there are people like you. Fuck the word impossible, and fuck you.
Those are not opinions, those are facts, backed by the laws of nature.
You can not gain energy by spending it, and the vast energy losses to obtain HHO in an on demand car HHO system, can not be overcome because it could never improve the efficiency of the engine as much as it needs to.
Oh, and the HHO parts sales people - trust me, they do NOT have any good intentions. Their ONLY intention is to make money. And in order for them to be able to operate, they have to create this environment of pseudo scientific goo.
They log in with all kinds of fake duplicate accounts, and pretend there is an interest.
I don't even know where to begin to explain all the bullshit tactics those scammers have up their sleeve.
They're a cult of lying conniving fake science scam con artists.
Your truck is engineered to run on a slow burning liquid fuel, and functions are computer controlled.
Fast burning, more powerful hydrogen needs an engine with different engineering. Decrease the amount of air going into the engine. That means a different cam(s). Timing obviously must be changed.
Seriously, for developmental purposes you guys gotta quit screwing with injection that self adjust using a sensor that is setup to be ok with waste, if you improve the burn rate, it just compensates. And so far these efie'doodads are just guessing. For developmental purposes use a carburetor. Besides arent carbureted V-8's what most of the people complaining about being gross polluters?
You make an old muscle car burn +90% clean and produce 400+ hp and you will have made the ultimate point...
This is pretty much pointless because we know nothing from the video about how the system works and what other mods were done or not done. But if he's burning 20LPM of H2 he should't need gasoline at all. Should he do as a friend did in the '80s and replace the computer program entirely with a specially written program, and then protect his engine from the extra heat and set the timing later, he won't need any gasoline at all, I'd guess.
mstaff is correct that engine would require a huge amount of hydrogen to run with load at rpm. a 5hp engine requires between 750 - 1000 lpm to run at "full" hp.
yeah it will run on less but it won't be making full horsepower.
BASICALLY LAMBA O2 sensor will fully overcompensate for 20LPM unless you lean off your mixture ridiculously.
i have a 1.4 litre 306 with 1lpm and i get about double mpg i have leaned my fuel 60% but due to lambda working on percetages this actuall works down to about 30 - 40% leaning
i can put in 4 - 5 lpm, but like this guy far too much hho means lambda overcompensates and all i get is more power and normal mpg
Well you shouldn't see many positive results from hybrid operation on fuel injected engines. Reason being is they regulate their amount of fuel injected based on how much unburned fuel they sense out the exhaust. So if you improve the burning of the fuel, they sense that and assume the engine is burning to lean and then the inject more fuel. Theoretically then this is a dead end because the more you improve the burning the more they inject to maintain the emissions. Carb engines may work better.
I may be way off here, but the way I understand fuel injection this seems to be the reasonable expected outcome. Unless someone totally reworks the way the mixture is maintained and adjusted. But I am convinced that with 20 lpm something noticable should be happening. This is the only reasonable explanation I can come up with off the top of my head.
I have been debunking naysayers for a long time now, and finally I have the resources to provide certified proof. The day of the naysayer is soon nearing an end.
And I in turn am going to crush Radarmans unjustified attacks. We shall soon see and prove in a court of law that not only is hydroxy boosting leagal, and that the proper use on and EFIE is also legal, but it will also be shown in a court of law that the claims that I make are 100% true. Get ready to be humiliated for your actions. I promise to rub it in publicly. You will NEVER take down the Smack. I will be the last man standing. DC, here I come!
I have been at debunking HHO for a long time now and there have been times that I got out of control. For this I apologize to Paul. But, my efforts are finally paying off. Check out ZeroFossilFuels web site. I got him to change his tune and post a legal disclaimer. This was not an easy thing to do but he sees the value of seperating himself from the scammers:
It is frustrating. To compound the problem I used oxygen flow meters which amounts to 40 liters per minute of pure Hydrogen. I didn't disclose how I did this because of some crazies online. I could throw 100 lpm at the engine but feel it would still make no difference. Taking a break from the whole thing right now. I may resume this summer. I have many more ideas to try. This stuff is and always will be interesting.
No pinging, pre ignition or loss of power. The engine was happy with the injection (at least at idle) Maybe there's something to the "sweet spot" theory.
Gasoline, 129.46 MJ of energy per gallon. 60 miles at 60 MPH in 60 minutes at 25 MPG = 2.4 gallons = 310.7 MJ = 5.18 MJ per minute. 60 amps produces 5 LPM of HHO. Energy density, 185 F cell temp. = 0.0059 MJ per liter x 5 LPM = 0.0295 MJ per minute. 25 MPG needs 5.18 MJ per minute. 0.0295 MJ per minute provides 0.57 percent of needed energy. Additional alternator load will consume about 6.5 percent more fuel, a net loss.
The claim is NOT that you get more energy in than out - I clearly have explained this to you. The claim is that hydrogen augmentation improves the burn quality inside the combustion chamber, causing a more complete and efficient burn when applied to a properly tuned engine. Dyno tests and certified emissions tests have and continue to prove this.
No, if you check my other vids, I use volume verses distance. I even installed a racing fuel cell with a calibrated tube, see measurement method vid. Scangages DO NOT WORK for testing.
I can tell you the ECM reset procedure was NOT reliable. I eventually ended up installing an EFIE. I do not present that 88% video as my proof, more of a documentation of my testing and methods. I was excited initially, but the results were varied. I just mentioned it to show you some of the work I do
The lessons learned in those tests helped inspire my new design and solidified my confidence in using EFIE's. The Prism reflects these results. Those increases are solid and I submit them as part of my supporting evidence.
Rob is going to use a 3 gallon test tank that he configured that will gravity feed the fuel pump. This guy does things the right way and he is aggressively pursuing his goals.
He has already done a high amp alternator with duel cells putting out up to 10 liters per minute, if memory serves me correctly.
Rob knows his stuff, especially when it comes to engines. But you imply I dont know what I'm doing. I have performed and documented my own tests. I have pushed 120 amps through my GenIII prototype and generated over 8LPM. My current design can run 9MMW, one of THE most efficient out there. And using some of these methods, I was able to post an 88.8% increase during one test run. My work does not deserve to be dismissed.
Look, you have earned my respect, and on a personal note I take no more issue with you. But regarding my tests, my hard work, my diligent research - it has earned respect by its own merit. You cannot dismiss someone across the board because you disagree with one resource they provided you. I am looking for more - not just for you but in general. I know the info is out there, but like I said - there are not many people doing this work. It's not always easy to find. That calc took me 3 days.
Try not to take it so personally, for NOW. Days will pass and views may change in your favor. I can admit when I am wrong. If Robs dyno work proves me wrong, then that is exactly what I will do. Then I will become a proponent of your work. Do not read too much into this crappy way of communicating on Youtube.
You have to understand that I am learning and my view on this is changing with recent data I have read. I wish Youtube would bump this 500 Character limit. Then I could go into much further detail.
Rob and I have been communicating for three months and I know very little about you. I just naturally trust Rob more at this point.
I understand that. And yes, there is not enough characters.
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It's a 2 part series. I abandoned the 6 pack design and moved on to the GenIII. I have not repeated the 88% since that time, but I also have not done any more tests since then.
BTW, in my opinion, using an EFIE is just a temporary fix. I strongly believe, based on my dyno experience mapping my bike's fuel curve, that a total retune is the final solution. Reflash, custom ECM's like the MegaSuirt, etc. This is what is truly needed to properly interface. Like a programmable chip that the user configures according to application. No stock fuel management system was ever programmed with hydrogen fuel as a variable.
If this really works, REMEMBER dyno test by Rob coming up in January. I would have no problem using an EFIE illegally or legally.
Why? Because some laws are just plain stupid. This country desperately needs to cut back on its energy consumption.
CIA World Fact Book fact: United States = 4.2 percent of world population. We use 25 percent of the worlds daily energy consumption. We are energy pigs.
I agree with you about the laws. Radarman desperately wants what I'm doing or planning to do illegal. If I decide to sell controller units, I will include some kind notice to check local and federal laws if needed. Bottom line - this technology reduces emissions and I have already shown you the proof of this. It's cool Rob will do it, but he will not be the first one to show this, as I have demonstrated to you.
Radarman gets great joy out of pushing your buttons. The two of you have devoted more time to this argument than I ever dreamed possible and sometimes it goes off into truly ridiculas areas.
Post count in last four days went from 700 to over 1600.
People have trouble believing because there are so many scamsters in the world, not a reflection on you personally. If Rob can convince me then I will be the first to make my apologies to you for any insults I may have thrown your way.
Yeah, the fight between Radar and I has nothing to do with proof or belief. It's a battle of will power to see who can outpost who, and who can get in the last word. I have dedicated 3 straight days to this fight. He has attacked me many times, and this is just one arena. I back down and roll over for no one. But I think the fight is over now. There is just no more point in wasting any more time. There is to much work to do.
I do agree with Radarman. The web is a powerful tool to advertise. Regardless, whether money is paid. Every one of your Youtube videos is in fact, a form of advertisement.
You guys should cool your jets until Rob posts hid Dyno videos and data.
I trust him and if his results are positive, I believe I will have to delete my video and help him set up a web site that can share the details of his test in proper fashion.
But, if he does a great job on the video, Youtube may be just fine.
Perhaps we see advertising differently. I see it as going out there and soliciting. Placing ads in publications, paying for pop ups like W4G, paying for web plugs, etc. I have done none of this. Just because someone builds a shop and offers a service does not make them an advertiser. I have set up shop in the digital world, but I am no advertiser. Not one ad. The accusation is that I'm soliciting money. That is not what I am doing. I have solicited NO ONE.
Lets agree to disagree on that one. Not being a smart Alec, just stating what I believe.
Anyway, if I see that this works, then all this is water under the bridge. In that case, I would not care if you were doing all kinds of advertising. I know you are sincere in your beliefs and that is all that counts. I do not really want to discuss this advertising issue any further. I was just hoping to help you see the way radarman probably views it.
OK, truce. Radar sees it the way he sees it because he wants to paint a picture of a snake oil salesman. A scammer. That I am NOT.
None of that really matters, like you say. People are getting increases and that is what the focus should be on. I've seen it and I'm not the only one.
why not dig deeper and find out more? You are the one challenging the results, not me.
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I believe my calculation of 6.815 BTU per liter is correct. Your way says 58 BTU per liter. In 9 months of digging, your statement is the only one that has ever claimed higher BTU content. I am not going to take the time to dig deeper as I have already done a huge amount of digging.
Higherpoweredh2o is going to pay $5,000 for a dyno test with and without HHO, after the new year. I will wait.
I know he is, and he is the one I posted about earlier. He is going to do dyno tests, spectrometer anaysis, etc. But that does not dismiss my claims. You have been at this 9 months - I have been at this for 2 years - non stop. I have done my own testing, and my results are ROCK SOLID. My real time on road tests clearly show my results are valid. I have directed you to my resources and provided evidence of my claims. But I know how to research just as well as you do.
OK, understand. But it means a lot to me to be able to provide good supporting evidence. If you are not confident in sources provided, other people may not be either. That is why I respect your opinion and am looking for more supporting data.
OK, my bad then - you DID find it. So why not dig deeper and find out more? You are the one challenging the results, not me. I did not run the test. Challenge the person that ran the test.
youre advertising here...so am i....this thread causes ppl to go to our vids...your vids show you making and installing devices, efies included and then you link to your site where you sell them...rock solid case on that one...
youre advertising here...so am i....this thread causes ppl to go to our vids...your vids show you making and installing devices, efies included and then you link to your site where you sell them...rock solid case on that one...
gotcha...watch?v=aqtInp68HXw 3.30 secs..200 dollars or so..you send then straight to your site and to the page where you have it listed...just busted you wide open
what cha gotta say now punk ass bitch...busted you with your own words...if thats not advertising...nothing is...and you flaunt how many hits you get...you know exactly what just happpend
How have I been busted, punk? You are referring to something that is NOT EVEN FOR SALE!!!! And the hits I get - all word of mouth. My openly disclosed, freely released designs have been known world wide for years. All word of mouth.
so wheres the free design for that..asshole...youre selling it and you know it...youre a liar whos just been caught (again) GREAT...you are now history...no matter what you say its all a lie...go back to your little fools who believe your shit . I dont care anymore...you can eat all the bullshit you want...I dont have to even smell it...bitch punk ass liar...gotcha and you cant do a thing about it
and the rest of your posts???who cares..this will go on MY video site for all to see so you can over post it out of site....how does your own foot taste punk
Again, false accusations. I AM NOT SELLING THE CONTROLLER UNIT. Search the posts. I said it many, many times. You did NOT get me. It pisses you off that you CANT prove your empty accusations. I NEVER LIE and that pissed you off. So go ahead and quit. I'll always be here to Smack you down again.
Everything I design is freely disclosed. The components in that box are off the shelf. PLUS ITS NOT FOR SALE. At this point, its a prototype that is not even fully tested yet.
Oh, you mean the controller that I DONT EVEN SELL????? LOL! How is that busting me wide open?????? You call a video that references to a product that is not even for sale an ad???? Funny.
you said a price and you have a price coming soon..youre busted you piece of shit..i knew if i kept this up long enough, id get ya...you say you dont sell that box,,you say its not even yours...yet your vidoe is the proof along with your site...youre a punk...lie once always a liar
LAIR!!!!!! I never said that controller box is not mine!!! I SAID THE EFFIE UNIT IS NOT MINE. I DO NOT BUILD EFIE UNITS. The effie unit being tested in from Cover Auto Engineeering. Look it up. PLUS, THE CONTOLLER BOX IS NOT FOR SALE!!
I dont understand how you can rest your case on this. You call me a liar based on a future scenario. There is a reason why I have not committed to selling any controller units. It's not fully tested. You accuse me of advertising something I do not even have for sale. You use this to claim your case that I am a liar? How does this work? No matter. I stand behind my statements 100%. I have not lied about anything I'm doing.
You decided I was a liar before you even pm'ed me. And somehow in your mind, you are the authority on what is or is not true. You attack every claim I make, every statement I make even when I provide my proof. You are NO ONE to judge me and my integrity. My work speaks for itself.
#3 I have NEVER spent a single dime to advertise or market anything I sell. Been over this. Not ONE SINGLE AD - ANYWHERE, EVER. Won that fight too.
#4 Been through this also. I have been through my Olds engine with a fine tooth comb. EVERY SINGLE INCH. NO damage. Thousands of miles, and all wear normal. Won that fight also. You cannot hang with me.
Come on, all you got is old ammo that I already hollowed out? Nothing new? Dont go into the past to try to cut me down. I won each and every one of those fights. You only repeat your defeat.
Advertising is going out and placing ads in publications and ACTIVELY soliciting customers. Your definition of advertising makes no sense. So EVERYONE who has a service or product is advertising just because the info is there? Makes no sense.
Dude. Really!!! Didn't you over ride your O2 sensor. As the hho cleans and purifies the burn in the combustion chamber the O2 sensor calls for more fuel. If you don't override the O2 sensor. The hho is counter productive. You don't seem to have a clue.
You need to do your test on an old car berated engine. Like a 1972 ford. Then you'll get the results your looking for.
SupperStu72 4 days ago
Ok,.. You have a V-10 Ford truck (not cheap) yet live in a trailer park in more than likely a home that cost less than your truck, and your trying to spend a bunch of money to save gas money in this truck.. Can we say priority issues?
umustwantme 4 months ago
...also, Hydrogen can be extracted from water very efficiently by vibrating the water at 923 Hz while electralysis is occuring. Modulate the 923 Hz at a high output which takes very little energy. 55 LPMs takes 55 amps in a very efficient regular electralysis method but 55 LPMs takes only 8 amps when adding the very strong 923 Hz to coils placed within the dry cell.
VonBraun87545 4 months ago
It is obvious that this guy has a problem in the EFIE chip. The Electronic Fuel Injector Enhancer is not pushing the requirement of liquid fuel from the normal 4 or 5 down to 2 or 1 as it should to allow the enginge to run smoothly on the Hydrogen. Instead the EFIE chip is likely at 3. Likewise, he likely never retarded the timing to compensate for the faster burn of Hydrogen. In addition, why in the world is he running all our at 20 LPM when only 10 to 12 is needed? Excessive use of HHO.
VonBraun87545 4 months ago
It is obvious that this guy has a problem in the EFIE chip. The Electronic Fuel Injector Enhancer is not pushing the requirement of liquid fuel from the normal 4 or 5 down to 2 or 1 as it should to allow the enginge to run smoothly on the Hydrogen. Instead the EFIE chip is likely at 3. Likewise, he likely never retarded the timing to compensate for the faster burn of Hydrogen. In addition, why in the world is he running all our at 20 LPM when only 10 to 12 is needed? Excessive use of HHO.
VonBraun87545 4 months ago
13.8 with HHO V.S. 12.9 mpg without is worthy of celebration!
Atleast in my neck of the woods....
Begbucks 5 months ago
you also have to trick your ECU. Your onboard computer will sabotage your results. The computer does not recognize the combustability of the HHO and therefore thinks that the engine is being starved. It in turn increases the flow of the gasoline, thus reducing your mileage. Frankly, if this hadn't been done, I'm suprised that the HHO run wasn't less than the straight gas run. Do the same thing on a carburated car, ditch the computer, do the math.... then see what happens.
MrReworx 6 months ago
@MrReworx I agree, the ECU does not comprehend a gas injected compared to the gasoline. Volume, combustion and efficiency is very different. Them milage computers are not calibrated for HHO. Smart man
oBseSsIoNPC 3 months ago
the trick of making lots of hydrogen on Demand is to get it in vapor form. Get the water to flow through a hose to a Glass tube and use lasers to break up the hydrogen from the water. it uses pulse and very little amps. trying to get hydrogen out of a bucket or jar of water takes to much energy. all that water together will sucks those amps and do litle
adam3176 7 months ago
You would need a flow of 700-1000 L/min in order to hardly make a dent at idle speeds. :)
HHO is a nice thought, but you would have to store LOTS of it to make a difference. If you were to make even 100L/min you would kill your alternator in no time.
tiggermissile 7 months ago
@tiggermissile thats not true. My car idle s at around 200 lpm,
adam3176 7 months ago
It's really easy to separates the Hydrogen from Oxigen, people says that is really expensive, but it's a "scam from bought scientists", i'm makin a desing that will work with HH only, it's like a destilation column.. really easy.. on the next i'll show all of you...
videoIPAD 8 months ago
beautiful drive.... where was this filmed? and just out of curiosity, you said you were pumpind 100% pure hydrogen, now i know during the process of electrolysis oxygen comes off anode and hydrogen comes off cathode or vice versa, just curious if you are separating the 2 gases or just pumping straight hho mix not that i have advice to offer lol just out of curiosity
Skeen747 8 months ago
beautiful drive.... where was this filmed?
Skeen747 8 months ago
First of all using hydrogen the timing has to be topdead center.. When you mix with gas it changes the fate of how the gas burns.. Thats why i am interested in going hydrogen all the way.. Not mixing with gas.
adam3176 8 months ago
@adam3176 My recent understanding is, by using hydrox, (all the components created by electrolysis) You can pretty much do away with air intake. Since hydrox brings in it's own oxygen. And pure at that.
After concluding this, I also realized that the combustion chamber may have to be reduced in size too.
Any thoughts to this?
a2zhandi 7 months ago
u need a MAP sensor buddy
Video85Man 9 months ago
a1mint is an idiot! and that's official! to say that there's no such thing as 'excess electricity' is absurd! hope he tries to stick his finger in a wall socket and then say say there's no such thing as excess electricity! lmfao!
Itsmeeman1 10 months ago
Yeah, without an EFIE the addition of an HHO Generator will usually produce WORSE results, this is why most people call HHO a scam because the o2 sensors is reading the additional oxygen coming in from the HHO generator and causes the computer to think that the engine is running too LEAN because it senses more oxygen than fuel coming to the sensor. When you tap into the o2 sensor you can trick it too think that the engine is running too RICH and actually use that hydrogen.
Tote21 1 year ago
I would recomend putting your computer on a switch instead of removing the battery,you can also pull some good milage by altering the ect(engine coolant temp) and this will give you more milage the hho cell. this sensor sets the fuel map for the computer(hot=less fuel/cold = more fuel) you do not want to go high enough to turn on fans. you can watch the temperature rise on the scan gauge.
50k pot. will do it just test cold resistance and then hot resistance,(the sensor is 2 stage)
poweruser69 1 year ago
If you want to dial your truck in you need to get your o2 sensors unplugged to test.this only works for a couple key cycles.then you need to reset the adaptive memory (unpluging the battery).the trucks default sensor reading is .5 volt this will alow you to test the hho,you will not be able to use the scangauge becuse it is a calculation based on the computers sensors(if unplugged it will lie).
poweruser69 1 year ago
man you have to fool the computer to be able to get the benefit of hho.
unhooking your battery only resets your adaptive memory. the first three minutes of a drive are the cold fuel settings untill it goes into closed loop.
poweruser69 1 year ago
20 LPM is a lot! From what I have been learning about HHO and using it it increase fuel economy, it is supposed to take the place of some of the fuel you would normally burn. There seem to be issues with newer vehicles computers reading the MAFS and O2's having too much O2 when you just pump the HHO in and go. You need to find a way to fool you vehicles computer a bit so it puts less gasoline in so the HHO can be used in it's place. I am about to install a unit in my 1983 Datsun Pulsar.
Bloc911 1 year ago
Unless you are using something to reduce fuel injection in proportion to gas injection you will use the same amount of fuel. Very simple and easy to understand, so learn how engines work! If you want to be fooled and conned by people then that is up to you. The rest of us that know how engines work know it is a scam. People sell this stuff to make money from gullible fools like yourself, they know you don't have the knowledge to challenge them - the types that buy big exhausts!!!!! very sad!
urbex2007 1 year ago
great effort really like this video. Ive never done it but I think the burn rate of hydrogen is so fast that you need to adjust the ingnition timming to after top dead certer. Otherwise the hydrogen burns so quick I think it puts back preassure on the crank. But Im not sure what effect this would have on the motor running without hydrogen. I imagin it would run rough?
IsItTrue99 1 year ago
@IsItTrue99 You are absolutely correct. My experiments were driven to only add HH or HHO to an existing engine setup. The whole idea for me was to increase MPG in today's vehicles. I found that in order to continue with the experiments I would have to modify the existing engine setup--this would complicate the on/off use of HH or HHO. I was not willing to do this. I will however, resume experiments at a later date to include any adjustments including computer, 02 sensors, timing etc.
paul84838 1 year ago
@paul84838 thats well in mate. look forward to your next trial. I recon that hho injection would probably be best on the highway. Maybe with a seperate injector system setup to inject after TDC-for conventional vehicles.
IsItTrue99 1 year ago
@paul84838 Something else ive been thinking of is that HHO is an exploseve mixture in its self. therfore unlike a covenional ICE no air is needed for combustion. that said what sort of volume of hho is needed?. Id like to do a trial with the motor cpmpletly choked off and only hho injected after TDC.
IsItTrue99 1 year ago
@IsItTrue99 You are correct about the timing your are making the eng run backwards a little so you loose any gain you would have had . Hydrogen is light it also depends on where you put your hydrogen into the intake manifold remember hydrogen is a light gas that floats up
terrymccurter 2 months ago
you need water injection to complete the ecuation
jovesp 1 year ago
You'll get better results in a 4 cylinder vehicle. This guy on here John Arons has managed to get his Toyota Corolla running on pure HHO alone. Try using a pulse width modulator with your system. You may get better results.
wingnut4427 1 year ago
@wingnut4427 I know John Aarons. We've talked on the phone. He does not run his 4cyl on 100% HHO, nor would he want anyone to think that. John is a great guy with an amazing desire to tinker and he's very honest and straight forward with his disclaimers.
paul84838 1 year ago
@paul84838 ahh. I guess I misunderstood. sorry about that.
wingnut4427 1 year ago
@paul84838 I sent him a question once but He never got back to me on it. Perhaps you could answer it. Considering the molecular make up of Hydrogen peroxide. Could you actually get a higher output of gas from it? HH OO ??
wingnut4427 1 year ago
@wingnut4427 I would say that any peroxide used would take up the space that water would yield in the way of HHO. I haven't tried the mix and would doubt any real outcome would warrant the effort.
paul84838 1 year ago
In relation to mass, hydrogen produces 2.5 times the heat of combustion than gasoline. However, in terms of volume it takes 4.286 times more liquid hydrogen than gasoline to produce the same amount of energy.
because standard piston engines are so inefficient, gas is essential because of its high energy density. It would not be cost effective to stick a giant hydrogen tank in a small piston engine car that can only travel 100 miles before needing a refill.
vindennl48 1 year ago
For instance, the new BMW hydrogen 7 holds 110 liters of liquid hydrogen (93,280 liters of uncompressed hydrogen gas) and only goes 125 miles, where as the 19.5 gal gas tank can travel 300 miles. Thats 746.24L per mile, at 60mph its 746.24 L/minute. What we need is a new engine concept that is a lot more efficient than a standard piston engine. only then will hydrogen become a reasonable choice over gas (or a mixture of the two)
vindennl48 1 year ago
@vindennl48
"What we need is a new engine concept...more efficient than a standard piston engine"
My sentiments exactly!
paul84838 1 year ago
Hi, risky video hahahaha
arthus1971 1 year ago
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nerdincomputer 1 year ago
1) 4cil 2ltr engine uses 2,000 ltrs of air per minuteat 2000rpm
2ltrs x 2000rpms / 2 = 2000ltrs of air per min
3 or 6 ltrs per min of hho wont do s...
2) hho alone inside an engine contracts (implodes) into h2o (water) doesnt explode like gas therefore 4 stroke engines will not work on hho alone
SPREAD THE WORD!!
if you want to know more just let me know
forfunmx 2 years ago
@forfunmx
haha, lol... Thats why people have been running briggs and strat 4 strokes on HHO.
The only reason HHO generators at present cant run cars alone is production is insufficient.
Stoimetric ratio for gasoline is 14.7:1
Stoimetric ratio for hydrogen is 34:1
After doing the math you will find you need at least a couple hundred liters per minute to run a small car, and an upwards of 600-700 liters per minute to run a V8 decently. According to the math conversions. So for now we mix them.
RTJaKaL 1 year ago
@RTJaKaL ???? you r just repeating what I said!! Cant make enough HHO to run an engine, not even to make a difference of 0.1% The fuel air ratios (Stoimetric) you mention just make my argument stronger!!!
forfunmx 1 year ago
@forfunmx : I dont disagree with your data, I do disagree with your pessimism, cant give up when there is more research and development to be done. :)
RTJaKaL 1 year ago
@forfunmx I guess what I am saying is that your not wrong in that most HHO sales people are scammers, but anybody who has been around for a while knows that. But if we read between the lines we realize that fuel injected engines WONT EVER see any results since it adjusts the fuel mixture UP when burn efficiency improves making you USE MORE GAS to achieve the same amount of "acceptable waste" out of the exhaust. But this does not disqualify H2 as a viable fuel for internal combustion engines...
RTJaKaL 1 year ago
@forfunmx : They dont give us enough room to make adequate posts, lol.
Anyways, because of these dishonest HHO sales schemes it makes the "Make Hydrogen Yourself" tech seem completely unreliable when in reality we need to adjust our view and approach to it. Look up "United Nuclear" science lab supply company, they are working on a Hydrogen generator and H2 fuel implementation system that generates all your own H2 and runs the car off it completely. Its not available yet, but looks promising.
RTJaKaL 1 year ago
CAN U FIND ANY VIDS WITH PROVEN RESULTS? NO
Because there are non, i fell for this hoax like other thousands, after two weeks of reaserch and having installed a 3ltr per min hho reactor i have no improvement in mileage or performance.
Im only thkfull because i didnt buy any instruction from fraudulent sites...
Now,i have learned over 15 reasons why it will not work. I will only mention 2 for lack of space.
if u want to know more let me know...
forfunmx 2 years ago
Even if that 20 LPM came for free (eg. taken from a gas storage tank), there wouldn't be any noticeable different I bet.
a1mint 2 years ago
i hope all you guys won't insult guys here..paul if you got your timing advance as well as get an map sensor .. you should see improvement immedietly
superwhiz88 2 years ago
Overall this might only work on 95 and BELOW vehicles but in todays age we have TESLA Car, other electric cars like "evcarco" And gas powered cars get as much as 30-50mpg. It is simply NOT WORTH THE TIME AND EFFORT.
You might utilize this technique to heat your home.
99Mblock 2 years ago
And since hydrogen is consumed by the engine INSTANTLY in a worst case scenario you might only explode 20lpm and thats only if your a MORON. moreover, you should place it in the CAB and NOT on the pass side seat.
99Mblock 2 years ago
I could say your an IDIOT
Disclose "HOW" a 3 year old knows
you use 1 positive 1 negative and 100 neutrals with an AC inverter or x-amount of neutrals for whatever voltage you want so @ 140 youll need 70.
You say 3000liters @ 20LPM that means it would take almost 3 hours with point of NO return.
99Mblock 2 years ago
I think you know that's not what I meant by "HOW". When I reply to a comment, I assume the video was watched and understood. There is no "on demand" system, they don't work. As I said before it's 40 lpm of pure Hydrogen. There is no Oxygen simulator. There is no "load" on the engine. The video was shot with an air meter. Hydrogen's density is 1/2 that.
paul84838 2 years ago
This is the dumbest, stupedest test that I ever seen, on utube :+(
roshidude 2 years ago
roshidude,
Oh it's real alright. I would have loved to show how I was able to drive down the road with over 3,000 liters of pure Hydrogen. I got so frustrated during my testing that I took a chance to get major results. During editing, I realized I could never disclose "HOW". You'd be surprised how many crazy emails I got. I stopped my research before I killed myself or someone else.
paul84838 2 years ago
some of you forget that fuel efficiency is not just measured in MPG, but horse power and torque produced,he may not have gained any milage but did he gain anywhere else in the spectrum.
which in a fuel injected engine that is computer controlled to run rich and lean cycles will just compensate for extra air (i.e. intake leak is all thats being created)
thats the most your are going to gain.
because you can't defeat the maf or map sensors.
juggernautxtr 2 years ago
Here's a decent analysis of why HHO in cars can not be beneficial:
watch?v=5G9DAmt_jLk
a1mint 2 years ago
a1mint ,
I have also found that the On Demand system will not work. If you watch my video you will see that it was with no load, meaning no unit installed. My HHO was made via Solar Power and the Oxygen was separated and vented to atmosphere. Still, a flow of 40 lpm, of pure Hydrogen, resulted in no MPG improvement. I didn't show exactly how I got this flow because of the dangers involved. I risked my life during this test but I had to know for myself.
paul84838 2 years ago
Solar power produces practically no power at all. Solar power is *very* disappointing.
That video link has some interesting calculations. At one point I asked how many Watts of power you'd need to keep a car just moving at 60 mph. I can't remember but it's a number that house hold outlet couldn't even provide...
The end conclusion was that the amount of HHO produced, through an alternator, electrolysis, is like throwing a match in a forest fire. It does absolutely nothing.
a1mint 2 years ago
... in fact, that video is probably the most damning video for the HHO cult yet. The entire HHO industry *IS* a scam. It's a bold in your face lie, and various people are trying to suck money from it, by selling parts. It's a complete setup. You can never get any of these people to properly test a complete installation, because they don't want to get exposed.
HHO has never and will never work, anywhere on earth, ever. It's a 100% scam.
a1mint 2 years ago
@a1mint you completeley wasted your time writing that hunk of bull shitt. consider people with NOS or nitrous oxide that is injected into their cars. that just NOS alone can add almost 100 hp to a simle twin turbo v6 or v8, and on naturally aspirated motors a good 50 hp is added with a v6 with vvt. and some other small advances. now im not saying that theres no tuning involved with these mods. IT DOES WORK. thats why its illegal for street use (NOS). and why they question you at the strip.
davenportmt 10 months ago
@davenportmt You're talking about something completely different than HHO.
a1mint 10 months ago 2
@a1mint yes but you have to look at the fact they both are explosive/flameable whatever, they have such a great potential, im running this in my toyota tundra right now and i love it. i dont even produce alot with my spachula rig and all, but i dont have an oxygen sensor goin into the air intake so i actually get an increase in hp and gas mileage, hydrogen is the most abundant element and the most reactive, therefore more BOOM. eat it hater.
davenportmt 10 months ago
@davenportmt All you are saying is how you "like" something. That isn't scientific, and it doesn't prove that you can break the laws of nature.
The laws of nature dictate that you can not create or destroy energy. You can only convert it.
Hydrogen does not naturally occur on earth. You can create it by splitting water 2(H2O) into 2H2+O2, but that takes more energy than you get back from it by burning the hydrogen (which is combining with oxygen).
HHO is a scam.
a1mint 10 months ago 3
@a1mint any junior high chemisty student could have told repeated what you said. im not making "free energy" here. and im not trying to say i am. and splitting the water with 10 amps of energy does not take alot of energy away from a car, i have a 100 or 150 amp alternator on my tundra and i couldnt get it to draw past 100 amps when i had this system running, my stereo amp, headlights, and anything i could think of running. i informed my chemistry teacher and showed him this system and he never
davenportmt 10 months ago
@a1mint said anything that tried to stop me. im not trying to do anything but save alittle money at the pump. and ill even post a video to prove that i actually get 2mpg more than i do when i dont run the system.
davenportmt 10 months ago
@davenportmt The only difference in gas mileage can *only* be due to wishful driving.
You keep on missing the fact that you can not create or destroy energy.
You're saying that "10 amps" does not take a lot of energy away from the car. It takes whatever energy away from the car required to make that energy that you're taking away + overhead in heat losses due to the conversion process.
There, by definition, simply can NOT be any "gain" in any shape or form, it isn't possible.
a1mint 10 months ago 4
@a1mint im not creating any energy here, im using the energy that would be wasted anyways because the alternator makes excess electricity anyways, i cranked up the truck used anything that would have used any electricity and only drew 95 amps at most. and i have a 110 amp alternator, therefore im using energy that actually goes to waste, so therefore i am helping my gas mileage and im not paying for it. it doeasnt all come out in the wash either. i made mine with ten dollars.. :p
davenportmt 10 months ago
@davenportmt The notion of "that would have been wasted" does not work. There is no such thing as "excess electricity". The alternator takes a certain amount energy to turn. Kinetic energy in = electric energy out + heat losses.
The "excess" or "waste" is ONLY that heat loss.
When you take electric energy from the alternator, the amount of kinetic energy that the alternator TAKES then goes UP by that much.
Also, electric energy is Wattage = Volts * Amperage.
Please think about all of this.
a1mint 10 months ago
@davenportmt will also mention that the alternator is rated at peak output, it does not produce 110amps all day everyday while the car is running, but can produce 110amps if the draw is there at a cost to extra engine labour
lynel1985 3 months ago
@lynel1985
@a1mint ok tell me this, and cost isnt an issue, how to hybrids work? becuase if you cant create or destroy energy then why do you see an improvement at the pump? because some have the option not to charge at the wall, where the motor can just charge the batteries. i dont see why with the right tuning and mods the HHO systems wouldnt work? because to me its the same principal, its just converting energy to be used or burned in different forms.
davenportmt 2 months ago
@davenportmt if you dont already know why hho in its current form (being created at less then 100% faraday (efficient)) then you wont understand what i say. You need to understand the deficiences in a on demand hho system. I believe it can be made to work we just havent figured it out yet. Hybrids (like the prius) should not be seen as fuel effienct cars (which they are but no the best: honda insight 1996) they are just greener cars for emissions (post production)
lynel1985 2 months ago
@davenportmt also how are you comparing the difference at the pump? @ the heart of it a prius is a 1.5L ICE with an electric motor. Compared to any car with a >2.0L capacity its going to be better at the pump. Thats a given. The reason they see better MPG (and this is negligable: more on this later) is electrical motors are in the range of 80% efficieny where as ICE are 30% maybe) alternators are around 70% efficient. So getting driven by an eletric motor uses less total energy
lynel1985 2 months ago
@davenportmt i will also note that toyota also offer a corolla 1.6L ICE car. It gets .1L per 100Km worse fuel effieciency then a prius. It costs 12 thousand less then a prius. @todays fuel cost in AUS its nearly 20 years of driving before the prius would have been a better option to your hip pocket (if you use average kms/year of 20ooo) Its yet to be seen if a prius will last 400oookm but corollas have been knwn to make it.
lynel1985 2 months ago
why didn't you just plum a bottle of compressed hydrogen gas into the line that is what I assumed you did.
It would also be the fastest way to produce the data needed to test the amount of hydrogen needed to run the vehicle. just watch the episode of myth busters that is how they did it.
mstaff657 2 years ago
Hahahahaha!!!!!! Run baby Run !!!! the men in black are behind me!! :-)
Hydropower72 1 year ago
@a1mint Just shoot yourself and get if over with. You can express those opinions of yours all you want on you-tube, but do it in public, and you will get your ass handed to you by the laws of human nature. If you dont have anything nice or productive to say, shut the fuck up. There are people with good intentions, then there are people like you. Fuck the word impossible, and fuck you.
d1incharge 2 years ago
Those are not opinions, those are facts, backed by the laws of nature.
You can not gain energy by spending it, and the vast energy losses to obtain HHO in an on demand car HHO system, can not be overcome because it could never improve the efficiency of the engine as much as it needs to.
HHO car systems are a scam - absolutely.
a1mint 2 years ago
Oh, and the HHO parts sales people - trust me, they do NOT have any good intentions. Their ONLY intention is to make money. And in order for them to be able to operate, they have to create this environment of pseudo scientific goo.
They log in with all kinds of fake duplicate accounts, and pretend there is an interest.
I don't even know where to begin to explain all the bullshit tactics those scammers have up their sleeve.
They're a cult of lying conniving fake science scam con artists.
a1mint 2 years ago
Alo ha,
Your truck is engineered to run on a slow burning liquid fuel, and functions are computer controlled.
Fast burning, more powerful hydrogen needs an engine with different engineering. Decrease the amount of air going into the engine. That means a different cam(s). Timing obviously must be changed.
Bill
mrgalleria 2 years ago
Seriously, for developmental purposes you guys gotta quit screwing with injection that self adjust using a sensor that is setup to be ok with waste, if you improve the burn rate, it just compensates. And so far these efie'doodads are just guessing. For developmental purposes use a carburetor. Besides arent carbureted V-8's what most of the people complaining about being gross polluters?
You make an old muscle car burn +90% clean and produce 400+ hp and you will have made the ultimate point...
RTJaKaL 2 years ago
This is pretty much pointless because we know nothing from the video about how the system works and what other mods were done or not done. But if he's burning 20LPM of H2 he should't need gasoline at all. Should he do as a friend did in the '80s and replace the computer program entirely with a specially written program, and then protect his engine from the extra heat and set the timing later, he won't need any gasoline at all, I'd guess.
jousterusa 2 years ago
wrong
20lpm will give you just over an idle
and will not carry a load on the engine.
do simple math on a 4.0 liter at 500 rpm that engine is taking in 2,000 liters 25% of that is still 500lpm forget it.
mstaff657 2 years ago
mstaff is correct that engine would require a huge amount of hydrogen to run with load at rpm. a 5hp engine requires between 750 - 1000 lpm to run at "full" hp.
yeah it will run on less but it won't be making full horsepower.
juggernautxtr 2 years ago
how are you producing 20 lpm of hho?
phnixjem 2 years ago
1] You did not adjust the timing on your engine. So your input of HHO or Hydrogen will be of little effect.
2] Your car system is stil set for gasoline not HHO or Hydrogen.
3] Stopping your Oxygen sensor is not enough.
4] You can run your car with 20 LPM of HHO or 20 LPM of Hydrogen without gasoline.
Jupiterironman 2 years ago
BASICALLY LAMBA O2 sensor will fully overcompensate for 20LPM unless you lean off your mixture ridiculously.
i have a 1.4 litre 306 with 1lpm and i get about double mpg i have leaned my fuel 60% but due to lambda working on percetages this actuall works down to about 30 - 40% leaning
i can put in 4 - 5 lpm, but like this guy far too much hho means lambda overcompensates and all i get is more power and normal mpg
you need an ecu remap for over 4 - 5 lpm of HHO
and then you get about 80%+ mpg
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
30-40% 80% I don't believe you./
mstaff657 2 years ago
80% sounds like a lot but work it out that 100% increase is actually doubling mpg
so my 40* is less than half of the orginal mpg added onto itself
basically 30mpg turns into 42mpg at 42% increase so 12mpg isnt loads but dam its better
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
I don't see any improvement in mileage.
mstaff657 2 years ago
Well you shouldn't see many positive results from hybrid operation on fuel injected engines. Reason being is they regulate their amount of fuel injected based on how much unburned fuel they sense out the exhaust. So if you improve the burning of the fuel, they sense that and assume the engine is burning to lean and then the inject more fuel. Theoretically then this is a dead end because the more you improve the burning the more they inject to maintain the emissions. Carb engines may work better.
RTJaKaL 2 years ago
I may be way off here, but the way I understand fuel injection this seems to be the reasonable expected outcome. Unless someone totally reworks the way the mixture is maintained and adjusted. But I am convinced that with 20 lpm something noticable should be happening. This is the only reasonable explanation I can come up with off the top of my head.
RTJaKaL 2 years ago
This is why you will see no successful test videos on You Tube. Want to buy some plans to make your SUV run on blue sky?
AudioGuise 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Taken from this pdf from the EPAs Website:
ht tp://w w w.ep a.g ov/ot aq/con sumer/b00 003.p df
(remove spaces)
EPA cautions applicants that the installation of an aftermarket retrofit device, or use of a fuel
additive , raises the issue of tampering liability and the potential for civil fines of up to $25,000.
EPAMAN2009 2 years ago
Here is a pdf with requirements to get your cells and efies certified.
htt p://w ww.ep a.go v/ota q/con sumer/b0 0003.p df
remove the spaces
EPAMAN2009 2 years ago
I have been debunking naysayers for a long time now, and finally I have the resources to provide certified proof. The day of the naysayer is soon nearing an end.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
Amen brother, right there with ya.
Paul, try using less HHO and see what happens. Try putting 1 Liter per minute in and make sure it is going in front of the throttle body.
onecraftydude 2 years ago
Thanks! And I have found that for anything over 4LPM, the mileage can actually go DOWN thanks to timing issues. Hydrogen burns faster than gasoline.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
And I in turn am going to crush Radarmans unjustified attacks. We shall soon see and prove in a court of law that not only is hydroxy boosting leagal, and that the proper use on and EFIE is also legal, but it will also be shown in a court of law that the claims that I make are 100% true. Get ready to be humiliated for your actions. I promise to rub it in publicly. You will NEVER take down the Smack. I will be the last man standing. DC, here I come!
EletrikRide 3 years ago
So i guess i can't run my 350 V8 on CNG ether
lol of course not if you don't time it to TDC and i'm guessing that the Myth busters were faking it when they started the old V8 Buick on National TV
with straight Hydrogen with no mods to the eng. And the 500 hp Hydrogen V8 BMW is lie to
lelandshane 3 years ago
and for some real insight into the scam, check out this videol
watch?v=eh41tL4cQqw
radarmn12000 3 years ago
I have been at debunking HHO for a long time now and there have been times that I got out of control. For this I apologize to Paul. But, my efforts are finally paying off. Check out ZeroFossilFuels web site. I got him to change his tune and post a legal disclaimer. This was not an easy thing to do but he sees the value of seperating himself from the scammers:
*ht*tp*://*alt-*nrg*.or*g/legal.h*tm*l
remove the asterisks
radarmn12000 3 years ago
frithwks,
It is frustrating. To compound the problem I used oxygen flow meters which amounts to 40 liters per minute of pure Hydrogen. I didn't disclose how I did this because of some crazies online. I could throw 100 lpm at the engine but feel it would still make no difference. Taking a break from the whole thing right now. I may resume this summer. I have many more ideas to try. This stuff is and always will be interesting.
paul84838 3 years ago
No pinging, pre ignition or loss of power. The engine was happy with the injection (at least at idle) Maybe there's something to the "sweet spot" theory.
paul84838 3 years ago
Gasoline, 129.46 MJ of energy per gallon. 60 miles at 60 MPH in 60 minutes at 25 MPG = 2.4 gallons = 310.7 MJ = 5.18 MJ per minute. 60 amps produces 5 LPM of HHO. Energy density, 185 F cell temp. = 0.0059 MJ per liter x 5 LPM = 0.0295 MJ per minute. 25 MPG needs 5.18 MJ per minute. 0.0295 MJ per minute provides 0.57 percent of needed energy. Additional alternator load will consume about 6.5 percent more fuel, a net loss.
EnergySupply2008 3 years ago
There is no alternator connection in this test. No alternator, no load.
paul84838 3 years ago
The claim is NOT that you get more energy in than out - I clearly have explained this to you. The claim is that hydrogen augmentation improves the burn quality inside the combustion chamber, causing a more complete and efficient burn when applied to a properly tuned engine. Dyno tests and certified emissions tests have and continue to prove this.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
I just bought a thing called F-16 Pulse King on ebay. My HHO production is amazing
hho1junkie 3 years ago
Do you have some before and after volumetric results? Sounds interesting.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
Are you using a scan gauge to measure mileage? Not sure I trust those as they may get fooled by HHO, maybe, not sure.
EnergySupply2008 3 years ago
No, if you check my other vids, I use volume verses distance. I even installed a racing fuel cell with a calibrated tube, see measurement method vid. Scangages DO NOT WORK for testing.
I can tell you the ECM reset procedure was NOT reliable. I eventually ended up installing an EFIE. I do not present that 88% video as my proof, more of a documentation of my testing and methods. I was excited initially, but the results were varied. I just mentioned it to show you some of the work I do
EletrikRide 3 years ago
The lessons learned in those tests helped inspire my new design and solidified my confidence in using EFIE's. The Prism reflects these results. Those increases are solid and I submit them as part of my supporting evidence.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
Rob is going to use a 3 gallon test tank that he configured that will gravity feed the fuel pump. This guy does things the right way and he is aggressively pursuing his goals.
He has already done a high amp alternator with duel cells putting out up to 10 liters per minute, if memory serves me correctly.
EnergySupply2008 3 years ago
Rob knows his stuff, especially when it comes to engines. But you imply I dont know what I'm doing. I have performed and documented my own tests. I have pushed 120 amps through my GenIII prototype and generated over 8LPM. My current design can run 9MMW, one of THE most efficient out there. And using some of these methods, I was able to post an 88.8% increase during one test run. My work does not deserve to be dismissed.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
Look, you have earned my respect, and on a personal note I take no more issue with you. But regarding my tests, my hard work, my diligent research - it has earned respect by its own merit. You cannot dismiss someone across the board because you disagree with one resource they provided you. I am looking for more - not just for you but in general. I know the info is out there, but like I said - there are not many people doing this work. It's not always easy to find. That calc took me 3 days.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
Try not to take it so personally, for NOW. Days will pass and views may change in your favor. I can admit when I am wrong. If Robs dyno work proves me wrong, then that is exactly what I will do. Then I will become a proponent of your work. Do not read too much into this crappy way of communicating on Youtube.
EnergySupply2008 3 years ago
Yeah, its been a pain. Part of the job, though.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
You have to understand that I am learning and my view on this is changing with recent data I have read. I wish Youtube would bump this 500 Character limit. Then I could go into much further detail.
Rob and I have been communicating for three months and I know very little about you. I just naturally trust Rob more at this point.
Do you have a video link for the 88 percent?
EnergySupply2008 3 years ago
I understand that. And yes, there is not enough characters.
/watch?v=u8EEXeiiCZ0&feature=related
It's a 2 part series. I abandoned the 6 pack design and moved on to the GenIII. I have not repeated the 88% since that time, but I also have not done any more tests since then.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
Off to view it
EnergySupply2008 3 years ago
I watched both twice. My initial reaction, I do not believe your enthusiasm is fake and I believe I am good at spotting fake enthusiasm.
However, I do not understand why this happened without an EFIE to dial back fuel consumption. Others get no better mileage without an EFIE.
Not sure what to think. Nice work on that rig.
EnergySupply2008 3 years ago
BTW, in my opinion, using an EFIE is just a temporary fix. I strongly believe, based on my dyno experience mapping my bike's fuel curve, that a total retune is the final solution. Reflash, custom ECM's like the MegaSuirt, etc. This is what is truly needed to properly interface. Like a programmable chip that the user configures according to application. No stock fuel management system was ever programmed with hydrogen fuel as a variable.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
If this really works, REMEMBER dyno test by Rob coming up in January. I would have no problem using an EFIE illegally or legally.
Why? Because some laws are just plain stupid. This country desperately needs to cut back on its energy consumption.
CIA World Fact Book fact: United States = 4.2 percent of world population. We use 25 percent of the worlds daily energy consumption. We are energy pigs.
72-75 percent energy use from transportation
We import 64 percent of that energy. Nuff said.
EnergySupply2008 3 years ago
I agree with you about the laws. Radarman desperately wants what I'm doing or planning to do illegal. If I decide to sell controller units, I will include some kind notice to check local and federal laws if needed. Bottom line - this technology reduces emissions and I have already shown you the proof of this. It's cool Rob will do it, but he will not be the first one to show this, as I have demonstrated to you.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
Radarman gets great joy out of pushing your buttons. The two of you have devoted more time to this argument than I ever dreamed possible and sometimes it goes off into truly ridiculas areas.
Post count in last four days went from 700 to over 1600.
People have trouble believing because there are so many scamsters in the world, not a reflection on you personally. If Rob can convince me then I will be the first to make my apologies to you for any insults I may have thrown your way.
EnergySupply2008 3 years ago
Yeah, the fight between Radar and I has nothing to do with proof or belief. It's a battle of will power to see who can outpost who, and who can get in the last word. I have dedicated 3 straight days to this fight. He has attacked me many times, and this is just one arena. I back down and roll over for no one. But I think the fight is over now. There is just no more point in wasting any more time. There is to much work to do.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
I do agree with Radarman. The web is a powerful tool to advertise. Regardless, whether money is paid. Every one of your Youtube videos is in fact, a form of advertisement.
You guys should cool your jets until Rob posts hid Dyno videos and data.
I trust him and if his results are positive, I believe I will have to delete my video and help him set up a web site that can share the details of his test in proper fashion.
But, if he does a great job on the video, Youtube may be just fine.
EnergySupply2008 3 years ago
Perhaps we see advertising differently. I see it as going out there and soliciting. Placing ads in publications, paying for pop ups like W4G, paying for web plugs, etc. I have done none of this. Just because someone builds a shop and offers a service does not make them an advertiser. I have set up shop in the digital world, but I am no advertiser. Not one ad. The accusation is that I'm soliciting money. That is not what I am doing. I have solicited NO ONE.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
Lets agree to disagree on that one. Not being a smart Alec, just stating what I believe.
Anyway, if I see that this works, then all this is water under the bridge. In that case, I would not care if you were doing all kinds of advertising. I know you are sincere in your beliefs and that is all that counts. I do not really want to discuss this advertising issue any further. I was just hoping to help you see the way radarman probably views it.
EnergySupply2008 3 years ago
OK, truce. Radar sees it the way he sees it because he wants to paint a picture of a snake oil salesman. A scammer. That I am NOT.
None of that really matters, like you say. People are getting increases and that is what the focus should be on. I've seen it and I'm not the only one.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
why not dig deeper and find out more? You are the one challenging the results, not me.
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I believe my calculation of 6.815 BTU per liter is correct. Your way says 58 BTU per liter. In 9 months of digging, your statement is the only one that has ever claimed higher BTU content. I am not going to take the time to dig deeper as I have already done a huge amount of digging.
Higherpoweredh2o is going to pay $5,000 for a dyno test with and without HHO, after the new year. I will wait.
EnergySupply2008 3 years ago
I know he is, and he is the one I posted about earlier. He is going to do dyno tests, spectrometer anaysis, etc. But that does not dismiss my claims. You have been at this 9 months - I have been at this for 2 years - non stop. I have done my own testing, and my results are ROCK SOLID. My real time on road tests clearly show my results are valid. I have directed you to my resources and provided evidence of my claims. But I know how to research just as well as you do.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
Did not mean to imply that I am dismissing your mileage increases. I am slowly becoming a believer in the last few days.
EnergySupply2008 3 years ago
OK, understand. But it means a lot to me to be able to provide good supporting evidence. If you are not confident in sources provided, other people may not be either. That is why I respect your opinion and am looking for more supporting data.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
I get it.
EnergySupply2008 3 years ago
You have it wrong, I told you I did find the reference on his site but that the 60,000 KJ m3 is not referenced to any scientific document.
EnergySupply2008 3 years ago
my bad. and i aplologize....so the reference is not been substantiated....so its no proof
radarman0012000 3 years ago
OK, my bad then - you DID find it. So why not dig deeper and find out more? You are the one challenging the results, not me. I did not run the test. Challenge the person that ran the test.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
youre advertising here...so am i....this thread causes ppl to go to our vids...your vids show you making and installing devices, efies included and then you link to your site where you sell them...rock solid case on that one...
radarman0012000 3 years ago
youre advertising here...so am i....this thread causes ppl to go to our vids...your vids show you making and installing devices, efies included and then you link to your site where you sell them...rock solid case on that one...
radarman0012000 3 years ago
This is not an ad. I'm not soliciting anyone. I'm defending my rock solid integrity while smacking and smashing down your attacks.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
gotcha...watch?v=aqtInp68HXw 3.30 secs..200 dollars or so..you send then straight to your site and to the page where you have it listed...just busted you wide open
radarman0012000 3 years ago
where there is ONE lie...many more are right behind it
radarman0012000 3 years ago
But I have NOT lied even ONCE. NOT ONCE. Prove your case.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
what cha gotta say now punk ass bitch...busted you with your own words...if thats not advertising...nothing is...and you flaunt how many hits you get...you know exactly what just happpend
radarman0012000 3 years ago
How have I been busted, punk? You are referring to something that is NOT EVEN FOR SALE!!!! And the hits I get - all word of mouth. My openly disclosed, freely released designs have been known world wide for years. All word of mouth.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
so wheres the free design for that..asshole...youre selling it and you know it...youre a liar whos just been caught (again) GREAT...you are now history...no matter what you say its all a lie...go back to your little fools who believe your shit . I dont care anymore...you can eat all the bullshit you want...I dont have to even smell it...bitch punk ass liar...gotcha and you cant do a thing about it
radarman0012000 3 years ago
and the rest of your posts???who cares..this will go on MY video site for all to see so you can over post it out of site....how does your own foot taste punk
radarman0012000 3 years ago
Post every word I've typed. I'll do the same for you and dedicate a whole site to it.
Now what, punk ass fool????
EletrikRide 3 years ago
Again, false accusations. I AM NOT SELLING THE CONTROLLER UNIT. Search the posts. I said it many, many times. You did NOT get me. It pisses you off that you CANT prove your empty accusations. I NEVER LIE and that pissed you off. So go ahead and quit. I'll always be here to Smack you down again.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
Everything I design is freely disclosed. The components in that box are off the shelf. PLUS ITS NOT FOR SALE. At this point, its a prototype that is not even fully tested yet.
Rec'nize.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
Oh, you mean the controller that I DONT EVEN SELL????? LOL! How is that busting me wide open?????? You call a video that references to a product that is not even for sale an ad???? Funny.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
you said a price and you have a price coming soon..youre busted you piece of shit..i knew if i kept this up long enough, id get ya...you say you dont sell that box,,you say its not even yours...yet your vidoe is the proof along with your site...youre a punk...lie once always a liar
radarman0012000 3 years ago
LAIR!!!!!! I never said that controller box is not mine!!! I SAID THE EFFIE UNIT IS NOT MINE. I DO NOT BUILD EFIE UNITS. The effie unit being tested in from Cover Auto Engineeering. Look it up. PLUS, THE CONTOLLER BOX IS NOT FOR SALE!!
I NEVER lie, you punk ass beeeyach.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
I dont understand how you can rest your case on this. You call me a liar based on a future scenario. There is a reason why I have not committed to selling any controller units. It's not fully tested. You accuse me of advertising something I do not even have for sale. You use this to claim your case that I am a liar? How does this work? No matter. I stand behind my statements 100%. I have not lied about anything I'm doing.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
You decided I was a liar before you even pm'ed me. And somehow in your mind, you are the authority on what is or is not true. You attack every claim I make, every statement I make even when I provide my proof. You are NO ONE to judge me and my integrity. My work speaks for itself.
Smack OUT.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
#4
"I do not advertise my stuff for sale"
Your website says differently
#5
"This will not damage the engine"
Yet you have not tore down the engine(s) to have them analyzed
just a few .... I can keep going
radarman0012000 3 years ago
#3 I have NEVER spent a single dime to advertise or market anything I sell. Been over this. Not ONE SINGLE AD - ANYWHERE, EVER. Won that fight too.
#4 Been through this also. I have been through my Olds engine with a fine tooth comb. EVERY SINGLE INCH. NO damage. Thousands of miles, and all wear normal. Won that fight also. You cannot hang with me.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
Come on, all you got is old ammo that I already hollowed out? Nothing new? Dont go into the past to try to cut me down. I won each and every one of those fights. You only repeat your defeat.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
you havent won those...those are only some of the holes in your 'wall'
radarman0012000 3 years ago
I won every single one. No holes, only rock solid SMACK.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
just because you dont spend money doesnt mean you dont advertise
radarman0012000 3 years ago
I do NOT advertise.
EletrikRide 3 years ago
your website says differently...you put items for sale on it..its advertising
radarman0012000 3 years ago
Advertising is going out and placing ads in publications and ACTIVELY soliciting customers. Your definition of advertising makes no sense. So EVERYONE who has a service or product is advertising just because the info is there? Makes no sense.