Response to AppleSoldier's iMac 27 in. vs Alienware i7 Price Comparison Part 2

[TotallyDecapitated]

FFS, check what a 27" monitor with the same resolution as the iMac costs and add that to the price. Not this 24" one.

[carefulwiththat]

Screw the Alienware... I mean building your own rig from scatch would save you TONS.

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

@carefulwiththat Yes but that has nothing to do with this subject.

[carefulwiththat]

@MinimeDrummerBoi

I know... just sayin'!

[Z3krom44]

mac sucks. windows rules

[alanbstard4]

looks like a buggerd toaster

[Nahkranoth8]

Apple computers are for trendy social douches, who want to pretend they are artistic intellectuals via photo editors. To be more explicit, when the herds of scenesters wrongfully glorify something they lack the competence and individuality to voice a personal opinion about. It instantly stereotypes it, and is no longer acceptable by my standards. However Apple is marketed towards these trendy scenesters, so at least they take the bait, and are easily identified.

[Malius1000]

Good response, but these vids are kind of dumb.

Apples are for people who want a stylish computer. They just want something that works and looks good. Alienwares are for enthousiasts and hardcore gamers who like tweaking, modding, upgrading and overclocking.

In the end both are good for their own audiance, but alienware uses higher quality parts(faster ram(lower CL) with heatsinks, better cooling, better mobo, better screen(the dell is much better than the built-in mac)

[poncekid56]

gaming- alienware, video editing- imac. You can't compare two machines that serve 2 completely different purposes

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

@poncekid56 Read the title...I wasn't the one that originally compared it. I even mentioned it in Part 1.

[poncekid56]

@MinimeDrummerBoi And I wasn't referring my comment to you....

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

@poncekid56 Well you commented on my video and didn't referred to everyone so technically the comment is referring to me.

[poncekid56]

@MinimeDrummerBoi Other people also commented on your video, and you're right I didn't specifically refer to anyone which means I didn't necessarily refer it to you.

[navdeepgabria]

The screen of the iMac is at least worth $1000, it's resolution is higher then the one that you selected and the size of the screen is bigger by three inches. Agreed 2.66ghz is not much slower but still is slower and also combined with 3GB of RAM is not very good, 4GB makes more of a difference. You say it's not much of a difference but it's 33% of an increase. iMac has wireless keyboard and mouse as standard which are expensive and also iMac has iLife software your looking atleast $2800

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

@navdeepgabria All that you have mentioned, I've stated in the video. When I'm talking about the RAM difference, I was talking about the speeds the RAMs were clocked at.

I've mentioned that screen resolution is bigger on the iMac, apparently you didn't listened.

Arguing about the wireless mouse/keyboard, I believe that's a personal preference which is why I didn't take it as a big deal. If you want to go further, the Alienware has a much better expandability.

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

@navdeepgabria In addition, I was speaking specifically on hardware, not software. In that case, iLife has nothing to do in this comparison.

[pricecomparisons]

great information man i really appreciate you cheers

[dmc040]

i would like to point out that u r all idiots. the only way of fairly comparing the two is a performance check

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

@dmc040

It's not all performance...

People pay for features too, not just solely on performance. If that's the case, the Alienware will outperform the iMac, but it doesn't mean it's a better buy so maybe you should do some research before calling others "idiots".

[harveyts3]

I have a Alienware ALX Aurora and my roommate has a iMac 27in. He paid 2k I paid 3k. I play games it makes sense to have windows based equipment that can be updated as new cards come out. He does video editing which makes are exceeding good at. Pick the computer for you application...

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

@harveyts3

Yes, both sides have their strong points.

[pkerry12]

ooo asian man "you speak a nice a english" lol

cool vid

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

Lol okay.

[mtellem1]

ur stupid u forgot about the moniter the alienware's is 24in 1920X1080 and the imac has 27in 2560x1440. BIG DIFFERENCE

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

@mtellem1

Wow I mentioned that in the video you idiot. I'm not hiding anything so either clean your ears or don't watch.

[mtellem1]

u said there wasnt a big diff. BUT THERE OBVIOUSLY IS

[ilusha5555]

ha, that trick with "add keyboard for 0 $" and mouse is cheap move! C'mon Dell, I am sure you could easily correct it if you wanted !

[Em13Baller]

the iMac is better..but the Alienware is more for gamers so if ur a gamer the Alienware is the way to go....but Appl's OS experience is way better than Window's .......

[Metriod29]

your also missing iLife, Bluetooth, wireless mouse, wireless keyboard, 1 Gb of RAM, and Also the all in one. Your missing a lot

[masterxm16x]

@Metriod29 uhm well this is a gaming pc and gamers prefer wired peripherals

[Metriod29]

That great, An iMac isnt... its a home computer. Meaning that a Wireless mouse and keyboard will be wanted for the features.... so really it does count

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

Wireless peripherals is a matter of personal taste of each individual. Not everyone will prefer a wireless mouse; gamer or not.

Every personal computer is considered a "home computer" regardless of what it's mainly used, whether it's gaming, editing etc.

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

Well in this comparison I'm speaking solely on hardware.

I believe i discuss about peripherals later in the video.

If you watched the first part, I've mention numerous times that this comparison wasn't even fair in the first place (comparing an All in One vs. a Tower)

1GB RAM? As in memory? I believe the Alienware has a bigger capacity in memory.

Again, I'm not involving any software as Applesoldier mainly did a hardware comparison.

[Metriod29]

yes but your still missing parts out. Just as i listed. you can fight all you want but the iMac offers more for its price... so you can make excuses all you want. the iMac offers more

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

I'm not "fighting". Apparently you're in love with an iMac? Because I'm not bashing it either. It's the best All in Out there when compared to other offerings from Dell, HP, etc.

Expandability is much bigger on the Alienware, however it's a tower so that gives it an unfair advantage over the iMac.

Like I said iLife is software. The Alienware has an option of a free standard keyboard.

I can list many (much more) things that the Alienware has over the iMac but I don't.

[Metriod29]

then don't compare a Mac and PC

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

Did you even bother to read the title? Blame AppleSoldier, not me. I even stated n u m e r o u s times that it's already un-faired to begin with.

It's called a response for a reason.

[kenspocket]

All macs have Toslink digital out for Dolby digital and DTS surround . Optical is nice!

[kenspocket]

The imac screen is far better than the crappy dell 24inch lol ..

pretty much the same lol

[ComanLaurentiu92]

Ur an idiot, the iMac is an All-In-One, u soud compare all-in-one to all-in-one not all-io-one to desktop :))...LOL

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

You're calling me an idiot when it was Applesoldier that compared the tower to an all in one?

It's only in the bloody description and title you idiot. If you can't read the description or the title, I wouldn't be call others an idiot.

[Wierdninja]

Good comparison video.

[RaitedRr]

comparing ati 4850 to gtx260 is not even funny. vast difference in performance. plus it comes with a free liquid cooling fyi. gamers will pick alienware in a heartbeat and non gamers with the choice will most likely pick alienware. cause it is not only $100 cheaper it over performs the imac.

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

What do you expect, you're comparing a full tower to an All in One...

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

And the 4850 & GTX 260 are close to each other in most benchmarks, about a few frames off. So I wouldn't consider it a "vast" difference.

[Yelonde]

Actually, the 4850 HD and the GTX260 are very similar in terms of performance. In the mobile segment, the GTX260m is even slower than the Mobility 4850.

[Ieo9017]

The imac has a faster processor, another gig of ram, a bigger/arguably better screen, and a nifty mouse/keyboard for just $35 more. That doesn't even take into consideration aesthetics or OS differences, or the fact that it's an all-in-one vs. a conventional tower/monitor setup.

Damn, Apple really is screwing us.

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

Like I said, the processor isn't that much of a difference.

I've mentioned about twice that this comparison should'n't have been made in the first place.

Aesthetics wouldn't count for me as everyone has different taste. I could argue the Alienware has a bigger expandability (even though it's a tower).

[Ieo9017]

That wasn't directed specifically at you, it was more of a matter-of-fact kinda thing.

Long story short:

Pricecuts in the latest apple hardware releases make it a much, much more competitive platform. Spec out a pc as closely as possible to the mac you want to purchase, and chances are you will find a negligible price difference if any at all. At least, that's what I found when I needed a new computer and made the switch to mac this summer.

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

Actually, most PCs' will configure a few hundred cheaper but in terms of All in Ones, Apple has it locked down. They're All in Ones are pretty much the fastest ones out there.

Back then when I bought my Macbook Pro Santa Rosa model, I overpaid nearly 1K (no exaggeration) but it was a gift from my parents anyways. Overall, they are nice computers and all, but unless you love aluminum and simple designs, there are many alternatives out there.

Overall, Apple is still a great company.

[Yelonde]

You have posted an excellent response. Thank you for not being inflammatory, like the majority of youtube users.

Many of youtube's community is very one-sided, You on the other hand seem to understand that there are good sides in both, and I appreciate that.

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

Much appreciated. Thanks.

[dunnorly]

Thank you for clarifying that the iMac owns.

on a sidenote: you sound like the intruders in the movie 'funny games', just saw it the other night, awesome.

[masterb403]

Having no wires for my mouse and keyboard and having a simpler system that takes up much less space IS worth money to certain people, such as myself. But even if you're not interested in the Apple philosophy of simplicity, look at the facts: A machine with a slightly better video card that's less than 100 dollars cheaper, vs a machine with a MUCH better display, another gig of ram and a slightly better processor. To me, the decisions is clear.

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

If you're looking at it from a regular consumer, then y es, it will probably appeal to that particular consumer.

Like in my previous comment, their both aimed at different consumers. If you were a gamer, the expandability on the Alienware would be more appealing including the extra I/O ports etc.

In the end, they both serve as good choices for the gamers and regular consumers. Of course people can always build their own but that's a whole another story.

[masterb403]

I appreciate the reasonably unbiased response, but I don't think you drew up the comparisons on the final price very well. The Alienware machine has the iMac covered on the video card by a small margin, that's it. The iMac's screen destroys that 24' display you included. Included bluetooth keyboard and mouse reduce the cords even further than the included wired mouse and keyboard on the tower(which by the way, consume another 2 usb ports... I don't believe you mentioned this).

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

I did mentioned the wired keyboards. Like I mentioned in the video, I wasn't going to include any peripherals, just with the computers itself.

I know the the iMac's 27 in. is much better than the Dell. I didn't chose a 30 in. as for me, a 24 in. would be close enough.

Further more, the comparison wasn't fair in the first place. Their both aimed at different consumers.

Either way, thanks for your point of view.

[magicbig2]

hmm.. i dunno if it's fair to be comparing alienware machines with the apple imac. they both target different market segments.. apple dont make gaming rigs.

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

Well I'm just responding to what AppleSoldier was using. I agree, shouldn't even be comparing an All in One to a Full Tower.

[najZSwe]

Also, the iMac's screen is SO much better than the alienware's screen. You can't even get a 27" inch IPS Blacklit LED screen with that kind of res, the pixel per inch is alot higher than any other screen i have personally seen, with higher than full hd res.

[najZSwe]

Actually the iMac has optical out and in:

Optical digital audio input is S/PDIF format and uses a standard Toslink cable with a Toslink mini-plug adapter, accepting up to 24-bit stereo and 44.1-96kHz sampling rate.

[ginito]

the imac 27 display is around 1,800 alone, for 300 more you'll get a nice computer stuffed in the back.

And people still trying to convince everyone that macs are overpriced. yeshh nerds, get over it.

[criox12]

up until a year or 2 ago they were over priced... but now they totally are not at all!

[criox12]

the 27" display by itself would cost about 1,000, not 1,800. but your point still stands. The display for it is amazing and the computer that comes with it is comparably cheap.

[sc0pl355]

Yeah, I agree with you criox.

I saw one of the 27" iMacs at best buy yesterday. it is an unbelievably good display. Definitely my next purchase. since I have a EyeTV, looks like I'm trowing away all of my TV's.

I mean, that is a seriously good display.

[jim1621]

make your own computers if your going to waste that uch money that way you can truly costimize your pc

[eddie972e]

I prefer PCs :)

[stryderprime]

IMAC and PC at just Apples and Oranges. Some People like apples while alot like Oranges. That being said I just order the Alienware Aurora PC a week ago and the only thing I changed was the ram from 3GB to 12GB!

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

That wasn't the point of the video, at least I think it wasn't for AppleSoldier. It's whether if you get what you pay for.

[gymfreak0]

Alianware aint a fair game. Go with another company that dosent pay 30-40% markup

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

I was just responding with what AppleSoldier gave me.

[nakedmongoose123]

messyness of the anywhere?rofl

plus if you wanted to run windows on a mac thats an additional at least $110.

[nakedmongoose123]

about the alienware monitor, almost 700$ for a 24 inch? really?

You can find a different monitor @ 24" for wayyyyyyyyyyyy cheaper.

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

What alienware monitor? It's just a standard Dell Ultra Sharp 24".

[34skyline]

Dell 30 inch 3008WFP is not LED, the 27" inch iMac is LED and the res of 2560x1440 higher then that 24 inch 1920x1200 you have chosen, the only display that comes close to the iMac screen res and comes with LED is Samsung XL30 which has the res of 2560x1600 but the cost is $3,345 for almost the same res as 27" imac with LED 2560x1440, Quad-Core i5,i7, 4GB, 1TB..for $1999-$2200 that's a awesome price for a 27 inch LED and a computer plus you can use it as a secondary display, my opinion Imac FTW

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

The Dell Widescreen Flat Panel does a higher resolution and it does 2560 x 1600. It's priced at 1600 so the Samsung XL30 isn't the only monitor that "comes close" to the iMac's resolution.

[34skyline]

I know that the Dell 3007 and 3008 has 2560x1600 so does HP,Nec, Eizo but none if them comes in LED and you have to factor that in with the 27" inch iMac which is a 2569x1440 LED display and the only display that you can get in LED is Samsung XL30 2560x1600 that will match Apple 27" LED that what makes the iMac such a great deal

[34skyline]

Typo on iMac 2560x1440 not 2569x1440

[hardwaregeeks]

34skyline is right in some ways you have to compare spec for spec and that includes the same processor, ram, hard drive space ,blue tooth, wireless n, Firewire 800 and the display the Imac 27 inch is LED you have to find the same 27 or 30 inch with 2560x1600 or 2560x1440 and it has to be LED also just to be fair when comparing in price.

[nakedmongoose123]

I mean why pay 700$ for a 24" monitor when you can get like an acer or asus or whatever for like $250+

[sc0pl355]

because

1) The iMac comes with a display built-in from Apple. So, you get a first party display from Dell to make it even

2) It doesn't matter whic of those displays you get, they are all inferior to the iMac's 27" display.

[nakedmongoose123]

newegg has a 27" monitor 1920x1080 resolution for $399

not a 24" from dell for almost 700.

[sc0pl355]

1) That display from newegg can't even come close to the iMac display.

2) The iMac has a FIRST PARTY display, so the Dell, in an fair and balanced comparison, should have a first party display.

3) The Dell Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP is a VA panel with a resolution of 1920 x 1200. It is also miles better than your 1920 x 1080 display no doubt.

Between the three, the iMac display is, by far, the best.

[sc0pl355]

27" newegg display 1920 x 1080 probably TN panel

24" ultrasharp 1920 x 1200 VA panel

27" iMac 2560 x 1440 LED backlit IPS panel

[chaksa]

SHUT UP IGNORANT EMEK CLONE YOU DONT NO NOTING ABOUT COMPUTERS!!dIE

[sc0pl355]

I know more than you do dumbass. I also KNOW how to spell.

Go be angry elsewhere.

[chaksa]

Shut up ignorant!!

[sc0pl355]

oh look, butthurt chaksa said something.

[chaksa]

one more time you are a ignorant and every one is laughting at you cause you really dumb !!PC FTW APPLE SUCKS!!

[sc0pl355]

More like you're commenting to me because I actually know what I'm talking about and you can't handle it.

[JohnnyV920]

YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH

[sc0pl355]

That's right, chaksa can't handle the tuth.

[sc0pl355]

truth*

[sc0pl355]

Dell says the 3008WFP is IPS, which makes sense because it costs $1699. Which is about $200 less than an Apple Cinema Display.

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

I'm not really familiar with monitors but is there really a notable difference between an IPS and LED monitor?

[sc0pl355]

LED is the lighting used in the new iMac. The IPS panel LCD display uses LEDs as the backlight.

A full LED screen is different from a LCD screen tho. In a full LED screen, the image is made up of the colored LEDs turning on and off.

LCD's have a type of pigment the the backlight shines through

[MinimeDrummerBoi]

So basically IPS is just another type of LED.

[sc0pl355]

Nono

LED + Energy = light

LCD + Energy = opaque

Two different things.