seminario rosenwinkel

[teddypantelas]

Fantastic! thanks for posting.

[SharkyRussell]

mille grazzi for this post

[logudorian]

for the transcription of the 1st example search for the file k13lwhz at drop.io

[capocchiate]

ma perche non vi imparate sto cazzo di inglese?

[enjazz]

@capocchiate---- bisognerebbe imparare bene prima l' italiano----

[capocchiate]

sei intelligentissimo

[poepneukerobotjes]

where can I use this on?

[seancd]

Hey guys,

Second transcription is up on my blog, So Much Sound. Link to the blog is below, enjoy.

[jazzvec]

thank you

[AnimittaJazzDisceple]

Hello, i did two video about these pentatonic, you can find that at my account.

Really thanks to seand for the transcriptions i found on his blog.

[seancd]

I have a transcription of the first line up on my blog, So Much Sound along with an explanation of what he's doing.

Since I can't post a link in the comment box here it is separated by spaces:

somuchsound . blogspot . com

A transcription of the second line is coming soon.

[enjazz]

thanks for the alert, but I can not see your blog.

serve a link.

[seancd]

Hi enjazz, I have the link broken up in my post below. When I tried to link directly in the comment box, YouTube rejects it.

The blog is at:

h t t p : / / somuchsound . blogspot . com /

Copy the above and remove all the spaces and you should be able to see it.

[Fjord76]

Thanks fo your transcription,very useful ;)

Actually,that's exactly how scales or arpeggios on chord changes should always be practiced on guitar:staying at one spot of the neck whatever happens on the harmonic level(easy to understand,very hard to do) It's the only way to get ready to really improvise...can't wait for the second line transcription(I'm so lazy ;) Peace.

[seancd]

You're totally right Fjord76, especially about the "easy to understand, very hard to do." Makes me want to go practice...

[Redchet81]

Might be a good idea to do your own transcription if you really want to absorb his concept? Just a friendly suggestion..

[ThisIsACleverName]

This seems a little bit out of context. Does anybody know why he does this exercise, is it just a way to practice the pentatonic shapes?

[seancd]

Kurt is illustrating one of the concepts he's interested in which is playing *through* chord changes instead of "on" them. What you're seeing is one of his exercises he uses to force himself not to in a square way. By having the chord changes go by quickly, there isn't time to constantly jump to root position pentatonic patterns, instead, you grab notes from the particular scale right where you are on the neck in the moment, and then connect to the next chord, then the next etc.

[ThisIsACleverName]

Interesting, thanks for the explanation. I assume he applies this concept to other modes and scales as well?

[seancd]

Exactly. I know he's written tunes with very quickly shifting harmonic centers to force himself to constantly be moving to the next tonality. He's just using pentatonics here for this example-- it could be any scale or mode used this way, the concept is the important part. The idea is to break out of constantly being in position and playing things in a patterned way. It's work but it's doable.

[Sandemose]

If you listen to bootlegs with Kurt or see him live, he often uses this wholetone based pentatonic device for intros. Like Zhivago. On that tune he often play a intro for some minutes. Many times I´ve heard him play this. Sandemose

[Guitarsoundfreak]

he just likes how it sounds, when he plays pentatonics trough this chord progressions

[pozzifab]

io c'ero a questo seminario.

Kurt è un grande.

Si è Massimo il traduttore,eravamo

ad Arcevia se non sbaglio

[playgtrcouk]

Il traduttore e' per caso massimo morganti...?

[joxe87]

can you please send the transcription to me?

thanks

[hofner20]

i want the transcription can u send it?

[stratocluster]

I was there..

[SkiptimusPrime]

oh btw's if anyone wants a transcription of the first example he plays here I can send it to ya. I just wrote it down

[adrianohaim]

plz can u send it to me?

thanks bye bye

[michmj77]

hey man i'll take that transcription if you'd be nice enough to send it to me

[LizardInMyToes]

can I get it too? thanks!

[queise]

oh please man, I also want it!!...thanks!

[bluesguy33]

I would love a transcription of this

[diederikeggenkamp]

@SkiptimusPrime Could you send me the transcription please? That is, if you still have it (: would be much appreciated

[diederikeggenkamp]

@SkiptimusPrime Btw great Zhivago cover, used your version to learn the tune myself :p

[SkiptimusPrime]

ok!...time to go practice! Love these concepts!

[jeffjeff88]

he also said start very slow and work your way up. to master this takes years and years, garzone said hes been working on forever and still hasn't perfected it.

[jeffjeff88]

write out the 3 inversions of a major triad, do the same with minor diminished and augmented. play a 1st inversion 1 3 5 triad playing each note not the chord as a whole, and then switch to another random triad but another inversion that is a half step away from the last note of the previous triad you played. with the triad you pick then play either 1 5 3, 3 5 1, or 5 3 1 but not 1 3 5 then repeat this into a strain of triadic lines. Its totally a tonal but somewhat melodic.

[ramroid]

just a quick question. Would all these inversions remain within the octave? - for example playing 5-3-1 (in C) G-E-C ascending; it would have a wider major 6 and a minor 6th jump contrasting the "tighter" 1st, 2nd, 3rd inversion triads with 3rds and/or 4th intervals all within the octave. Any chance he said anything about that?

[jeffjeff88]

thats interesting you mentioned that because garzone actually didnt but mark did. in the garzone exercise it should be played within the octave. i think mark was saying something like he would write out open octaves diatonically on paper across a major scale and then minor... and then play it and use it over changes on tunes. the whole point of the garzone exercise is to free up your ears. hope this helped

[jeffjeff88]

Its very difficult to play this concept over tunes, you can hear it in garzones playing but in mark and kurts they use triads in a more practical sense.

[jeffjeff88]

i once took a lesson from mark turner, its crazy how similiar both musicians concepts are. He told me about just playing over random changes fast and just playing strictly melodically with no harmonic structure. They both come from the school of garzone. I also took a triads class with him, if anyone ever goes to new york i would highly recommend hooking up with garzone.

[Sandemose]

Hi, cool to have taken lessons from Garzone. I read here on youtube that he is getting an DVD out, demonstrating this triadic concept, you have any information on this matter? And as you said, Kurt and Mark are musically soulmates...Best, Sandemose

[jazzguitar1221]

perfectly said

[takauya]

Please someone show me that what does he talking about? coz I'm not an Englidh native, so I can't see fully what he is talking. thonks.

[Sandemose]

He talkes about pentatonics and various chordprogressions. So, he practice a sequence of chords: Ebminor7, Fminor7, Gminor7, Aminor7, Bminor7, Dbminor7, Ebminor7 and play the pentatonic scale of each of them really fast. He also talkes about improvising over chords that lies three of four bars ahead. Also play on pure impuls, just being melodic in the moment and see what happens. Hope it helps, take care! :) Best, Sandemose

[takauya]

Thank you, Sandemose!

However,why does he show that chord progression? Is that any meanings?

[Sandemose]

To me it seems more like a concept: this is something he does to work on shifting pentanic scales fast, to get my mind to work faster. You can move them in whole steps (as he does) in minor thirds, major thirds, fourth, fifths etc. I guess he thinks it sounds cool, so he works on it (thats what I think). Best to you, Sandemose

[takauya]

I see. thank you for your polite answer.

[Feesharp9er]

Looks like the C#/Db whole tone scale done in Pents

[Sandemose]

Yeah, and the good thing about that is that you cover up a vast territory (half of the keys) when starting on C#/Db which means you have the six last keys when starting on D to E,Gb,Ab,Bb,C. I started with dividing the six keys over a four bar period. That means you have to play quarternote tripplets in groups of four, and for every group of four you change pentatonic key. With that you practice tripplets, period feel, pentatonic positions etc. Take care, best, Sandemose

[jacmar555]

Does that mean when he's on the 2nd measure he's playing on chords from a future measure?

[Sandemose]

Who knows? :) Thats how I understand it. Its like anticipating the coming chordprogression and by doing so establishing a harmony that havent been heard, no? Sounds like a cool thing though. Great for outside playing, with a justification that it will resolve in a inside sound, sort of? His new double CD is sick great by the way, bought it a few days ago, and I listen to it like 3 hours a day. Take care :)

Sandemose

[jacmar555]

Thanks for your reply, by the way what new CD? What's the name of it? I just looked on itunes and it's not listed.

[Sandemose]

Its realesed on ArtistShare, go to Kurts homepage and you will find a link. You can either download it, or order it. I couldnt wait so I downloaded the record "the Remedy - Kurt Rosenwinkel Group Live at Village Vanguard", legal that is, for about 15$ Its insanly great, my favorite so far.

Take care, Sandemose

[takauya]

where did you get this?

[takauya]

really thanks!!!

[madsrosendahl]

THANK YOU!!! VERY VERY VERY VERY GOOD POST!

Have you got anymore?

[enjazz]

no, sorry.... :))