Dynasties: The Holy Roman Empire (part4/5)

[KevinVancouver2]

Though shall have no other Gods before me or though shall perish at the end of my sword! Gee what a choice - Dyaa think?

[timosh78]

bring back kings presidents suck

[alex821000]

the tatar are mongolians and the avari were an other nation of stepped poeple

[SuperTravis898]

Avars?? hmmm, he said a Tartar poeple? The Tartars were a northern chinese poeple, see poeple yapping about europe falling to muslims, well at this time europe was getting controled by chinese and huns who invaded during rome. The Avars were right outside the boarder of austra, at side of the boarder of a german nation, think about it for a minute

[Semiramis2000]

KNOWLEDGE CULTURE AND POWER ARE GENERALLY LINKED.

[eatatmargos]

No where in SCRIPTURE does it state the "pope" or any king to MURDER for "conversion". He was a VERY SICK MAN.

[puncheex]

@eatatmargos: No, he was a man of his times. He did no more and no less than all other rulers around him.

[ConspiracyHist]

Good show!

[MilitantOldLady]

how can they glorify this man like that?!

he commited attrocities!

[duntaalik]

@MilitantOldLady

Show me any ruler with epithet "Great" and I show you a ruthless killer. As sad as it is, people tend to respect power over wisdom.

[MilitantOldLady]

Casimir III the Great

[ettore666]

"Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice."

"We must be brutal. We must regain a clear conscience about brutality. Only then can we drive out the tenderness from our people ... Do I propose to exterminate entire nationalities? Yes, it will add up to that ... I naturally have the right to destroy millions of men of inferior races who increase like vermin ... Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians. It is an honorable title."

[Hotshotter3000]

Alexander the Great was also an extremely brutal and borderline psychopathic individual. He is not the type of guy you'd want to go out drinking with... literally. He killed a friend of his on a whim while he was drunk at one point and didn't regret it after he sobered up.

[BlitzoftheReich]

@Hotshotter3000 Yep in Bactria. :P

[EdikShepherd]

@duntaalik What about Alfred the Great? He has been described as a very kind ruler, and at his time he was defending his kingdom from the Saxons and other Nordic invaders. Invaders that killed and pillaged certainly more than he did.

[duntaalik]

@EdikShepherd

Perhaps. Thankfully here are always some exceptions to the rules.

[Oldcartoons571]

@duntaalik Of course you must take into account the time periods...and yes you must see that theyre actions were infact great.

[Sibbot]

@duntaalik true very true

[peri2502]

@duntaalik wisdom without power doesn't win wars

[RENEDU2]

@peri2502

but if you're wise , you don't need power, nor wars..

[peri2502]

@RENEDU2 Not sure if I agree. Whenever you have something that someone else wants, and you lack the power to defend it, chances are that they will try to get it by force.

[serialkiller1990]

@duntaalik

It is true. But most of those people were both genius minds, leaders and fighters.

They lived in a brutal world, and they did what they thought was necessary, and indeed it often was.

The fact is that the greatest empires created by greatest leaders also made the greatest contributions to advancement of humanity, and spreading their culture. It is not a coincidence that the greatest empires often became also the most advanced (if this was not the source of their power in...

[serialkiller1990]

@duntaalik

...the first place).

The Helenistic culture was through conquest of Alexander the Great, Roman culture did civilize barbarians through conquest. It was a sort of survival of the fittest ideas.

It was also typical for the great empires like Macedonian, Roman, Byzantine to embrace the idea of tolerance, and like the later two to stop expansion and protect peace.

It is also not a coincidence that after falling into idleness they decayed and fallen. Conquer or be conquered.

[ettore666]

If Hitler won we woud talk about him like we talk about Charles, the truth is relative, the 'attrocities', the 'good' and the 'evil' are relatives, depends of the point of view and who talks about it.

[karlkarlkarl1234]

Exactly, the United States just killed over a million innocent Iraqi civilians through invasion and sanctions, and have wantonly caused by subversion just about every conflict since the '40s and the destruction of countless sovereign democratic governments in favor of tyrants; plus raping their economies. Yet many people are too retarded to see them for that they are, and say they're "fighting for peace/democracy", LOL

It depends who writes the history and the propaganda at the time & place.

[KingRaffers]

Correct me if i am wrong, but the first emperor that has added the adjective "holy" was Conrad I right? not Charlemagne? Because from what I have heard, Charlemagne was the founder of the Holy Roman Empire but he named it just Roman Empire but when the time of Conrad I, he added Holy.

[scuffla]

no it was barbarossa that sayd it was a holy empire because the pope said something about him being the ruler of all the kings on earth but barbarossa said the pope could not be above a holy empire

[CMLaneLV]

Haha just like kids:

"I'm the boss plus a million,"

"Well I'm the boss plus a billion..."

"Oh yeah?.. well I'm the boss plus INFINITY!"

"I'm the king,"

"Well I'm the pope,"

"Well fine then ... I'm a holy emporer!"

lol

[scuffla]

exaktly ;D spot on.