@peeekar Well he has beat all three of them. Todd and Cyp also outweighed him by 50 pounds. In his peak I think Brzenk was stronger. He is passd his prime though.
@MegaArman74 и еще я думаю денис задавит тревиса на левой,но на резкость не уверен,и так же воевода я думаю ларата задавит с трудом канешно но думаю задавит, воевода в 2004 году как втоптал брзенка на немирофф лихо, а ларрат проиграл брзенку тоже в 2004,к тому времени как ларат стал посильней и положил брзенка, а воевода еще сильней стал,я думаю на сегодняшний день денис Nommber one left. а воевода nommber one Right
John was old , doesn't matter if he was heavy /injury free when Devon beat him 6-0...John was still old. The guy's in his mid 40's ? or was at the time Devon beat him. Yea John is still relevant even tho he is so old which is a credit to how great an armwrestler he is and has been , but U can't really call Devon "the best of all time" ... When he never faced a 28-36 year old Brzenk now did he? Devons the best right now , lets see how he does in his mid 40's before deciding on his legacy?
the best video in which you can see devon is over john now,john attacks and devon is holding,rarelly i've seen someone bolcking brzenk because brzenk was the one who blocked
i think john is just showing his age a lil bit but i still consider him one of the greats and has done more than enough for this sport. way to go john!
@kasparov9 at some nemiroff promotional or qualifier. you can tell that it was a different event cause the background promoted products and Brzenk wore a red nemiroff shirt this time, instead of the yellow he used in 2004.. there were no existing videos, just pictures, and it didn't say what place and what time.. most probably it was before or after veovoda's vendetta with michael Todd
@thefanaticx Yeah sure that was from Vendetta 2007, where Voevoda beat Todd 6-0. But how do you know Voevoda and Brzenk pulled? If they did it was not competitive, where did you get the results of that?
@bogdychamp Yes I know that, but Nemiroff is not a good indicator of who is better, as you go through many competitors before you get to the finals, and some may try harder against you than others. Brzenk was small that day and injured against Taras. Would have been different if Voevoda vs Brzenk from 2006 Vegas shape.
@kasparov9 if somehow 2004 Voevoda and 2006 John could meet,Voevoda would win.He would win harder, nonetheless he would win.He is simply stronger.
John is the greatest ever because he's been at the top for over 20 years, and because of his achievements.He's a legend,he's so strong compared to his body weight.
But Voevoda is the strongest ever.There's no arguing about that from my point of view.
Cyplenkov Nr 1 left, nr 3 right. Brzenk nr 2 right nr 16 left. Obviously Cyplenkov has better overall strength.. and his age is amazing, many good years to come. I am absolutely sure that if Cyplenkov continues with armwrestling he will be nr 1 in left and right for many years!
@q8shiaassassin Dude, I think Travis will be in Zloty, and Engin Terzi thinks he will beat Cyplenkov with the left, I can't wait! Also, Cadorette against Cyplenkov with the right!
@kasparov9 The Bagent/Denis match could go either way, I'm predicting Denis to win, provided he can contain Travis' hit. If he stops it, I feel it will be over. If he can stop Todd's enormous hit with his weaker right arm [the match he had after Lupkes in which he lost to Todd] Then most def he'll be able to stop Bagent though Bagent will post his hand high so that could be one critical determinant
@SDSen I think Bagent's left hit is much stronger than anything Todd can do. I don't think Denis will be able to stop Bagent's hit, Larratt definitly couldn't at the recent UAL. Denis is superstrong for sure with the left, but that left hit from Bagent is probably the best in the world.
@kasparov9 True but then again Devon was never known to be a perfect starter off the go he was always vulnerable plus the fact that there is a considerable difference between Devon's left & Denis's left, I believe even Brzenk has a victory over Bagent left handed. Travis is downright dangerous at the start it all depends on whether Denis can catch him that's I say Travis has a chance in a tournament type format, in a 6 round supermatch he'd be in serious trouble JMO
@SDSen Sure Devon isn't the best at the start, but how can you know what Devon's left is like compared to Denis? They have never pulled. I think it will also depend on the shape of Travis, if he is in great shape I think his hit will be too much for Denis, where did you hear that Brzenk beat Travis left?
@kasparov9 I heard it from Josh that he got beat by Brzenk a while back, I'm not saying for a fact that he'd lose to Denis but the chances IMO of him losing are much greater, Travis just has that toproll that fast hit if he's taken inside he'll be finished even Devon has round victories over Travis , if Devon being a right hander can accomplish that, then a Denis could do much worse that's my deduction. Having said that Tavis could surprise us
@SDSen That's a good point about Devon beating Travis, he won 4-3 at arm wars in Vegas. We'll see soon enough what happens at Nemiroff:) Should be interesting...:)
john problem now is that he might be suffering LOW TESTOSTERONE, it is something that happens when we get older.lost of strenght, diminished sex drive etc.He may need to do a plan to increase his testosterone.
@llrond@armcrusha - I believe john wanted to practice with devon before he went to europe. As you can see Devon is only trying to hold Brzenk (WHICH IS ALOT OF WORK) and not attempting to win a match.
Devon is incredibly strong at the moment, and I do not see him losing to anyone in the world anytime soon.
@jsbyerley Cyplenkov is at the Arnolds, I don't understand why Larratt has not made a comment about attending or not attending? At least not on northeast board. He just took on Bagent, but has no time for Cyplenkov, which is a match everyone wants to see. I don't get it. Can anyone clarify?
@kasparov9 As far as I know - Devon's work schedule is non-negotiable. He goes to the tournaments and supermatches he is able to attend. The last time a match was possible between Larratt and Cyplenkov, is was Cyplenkov who was not able to attend. The Bagent Larratt match was obviously a last minute production based on their schedules.
The Larratt Cyplenkov match WILL happen - the only question is when. =D
@bogdychamp its stupid to even speculate - no one KNOWS that for "sure" - I do know I would LOVE to see that match, unfortunately I think the world of armwrestling is being robbed by not being able to see MORE of larratt and voevoda - two great champions who I would love to see reach their full arm wrestling potential
@jsbyerley Well the rumor has it that Voevoda will make a comeback....Larrat vs. Voevoda would be a battle for sure,but if Alexey comes back at top condition I see him winning
watch closely at the beginning devon has a MUCH better starting grip and brzenk just shrugs it off and pulls anyway. brzenk is still a very dangerous puller
Is Devon still going to pull Jerry? WOA.com is now showing he will pull Richard Lupkes at the Sin City event. Not sure if this is something else or a replacement.
@headcaseman Jerry pulled out, here is what he said... "I was in an accident and the MRI showed I compressed my L4 disc, and it is bulging on my nerve."
@ledzeppelinstoh Yeah, I think he can take Devon if he prepares well enough........it's that damn beast Cyplenkov I'm worried about. I was disappointed that Devon, Travis and Arsen were nowhere to be found in the last three Nemirrof's where Cyplenkov beat Brznenk like he was a little kid.
@khalsasikh If you fallow Arm Wrestling world you would kniow what john is going throught. And you would change you thoughts on calling him a little kid
In inthehookcom Devon mentions that he is not at his best yet, and would peak in his 40's around 43-45, does anyone know why he would think this? He mentions it when asked about a match with an in form Voevoda.
@kasparov9 I don't believe that. I think he is just saying this to psyche out his competition. John Brzenk, though he is incredibly powerful for his size, is not the same as he was 10 years ago. He is not as strong anymore. His knowledge and skill are what get him through today. Devon is at his best right now. If he is not careful, the younger guys will take him down.........namely Cyplenkov who is only 25 years old. Cyplenkov destroyed Brzenk at the last Nemirrof.
@khalsasikh i hate to bring up roids in a matter like this, but i do believe that THATS what has helped cyplenkov beat john, and i dont think john is user himself.
@trashbash2001 Whether or not Cyplenkov or Brzenk take steroids, I don't know. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. If they do, they are not the only ones by a longshot!
@khalsasikh no doubt, I'm just saying that i am a believer that john has gotten to where he is through great genetics and natural talent. Today, someone being the size denis is, and being able to beat john..... something tells me he's on something. Cause pound for pound, john is a LOT stronger than denis (right handed)
@trashbash2001 Denis did not beat john because of roids. He beat john because john was injured and has been for a while. John said he could train for nemirrof because every time he picked up a dumbell he would get sharp pains.He said all he is doing now is resting and letting his tendons and joints heal and then he will start training again.6 months before nemirrof john stoped training and was just healing
@nawzy202 interesting. I remember seeing his facebook post saying he was getting ready for nemirrof and that was about 6 months prior. I guess he started getting ready and realized it wasnt gonna happen.
@kasparov9 John messed himself up in an ATV accident a couple of weeks ago though. He tried to play it down but there's no way that didn't affect his performance.
Would love to see these two just go at it in a solid hook match again. I think John can still beat Devon if it stays inside even if he's only 220lbs or whatever.
@kasparov9 because there is a tape where john is saying he called devon and they are talking about a rematch maybe somewhere in november this year or maybe next year depends on john since he is hurt right now
Great display of two technical masters and their power. Side pressure, back pressure, rotational power, press, hook etc. all there. John's offensive skills and variety of techniques and all around power is still no1 in the world. Devon's defense and speed and ability to respond is next to nothing.
When Brzenk gets back healthy and heavy this match up is going to be the battle of the century.
Thanks for posting. Any more videos from this practice session? We want more!!!
When john is fully recovered from the back surgery and starts to bulk up to 230+ again I want to see a rematch of him vs devon. I believe john 100% at 230+ will give hell to devon and would be a fairly close match
John's going to have to really train his ass off to beat Devon these days. Their styles are very similar; both are unmatchable in a hook (except by each other).
Devon's just a bit bigger, a bit stronger overall in the upper body, and he has better endurance. John will only ever beat Devon convincingly at a heavier weight. Anything under 230 for John - Devon is just too strong.
True JOhn has to be 230lbs to defeat Devon ...but when he went to Canada to train against him ! By account of people there who watched them pull for 2 hrs they said had it been a professional match John would have won 10 rounds and the last 4 to Devon..here John is 217lbs dieting..and gives him hell..Devon has shown that he is human after all when he had a hook war with Earl Wilson and struggled with Don Underwood (regardless of the decision)who wasnt even in the world ranking at the time.
john has not been full strength for a couple of years now. matter of fact he just had back surgery and is recovering nicely. so i think it is a possibility that we could see a new john brzenk very soon. lets hope so over the alternative.
Handerlandj when i told you Arsen didn;t want to pull Denis you didn'y believe me.Arsen was very tired then because he won 100kg category but Denis was fresh,then Arsen said to Ergin if Denis is too strong and can't hit him then he will give up to protect his body from injuries.When i told you The real Arsen will beat john you started loughing,this is the proof that Age metters and people can't be like 30s forever and even Brzenk gets older..
I laughed? When was this? My $1 was on John over Arsen but I am not very surprised by the outcome... I figured it would be close... I still think Denis would beat Arsen just as easily as he did in that overall. Arsen was tired from pulling the 100kg class? Didn't he flash everybody? So why was he tired? And I know what he told Engin but he also said he was going to get up to 100kg and diet to 95kg for the match, but he weighed in at 91kg, and it didn't look like he "let" Denis win.
Arsen top roll doesnt work for Dennis. Arsen feels he was pullling against a wall, llok at his face. I Also think Devon probbaly would beat Brzenk again, I would like your opinion about this point.
Handerlandj when i told you Arsen didn;t want to pull Denis you didn'y believe me.Arsen was very tired then because he won 100kg category but Denis was fresh,then Arsen said to Ergin if Denis is too strong and can't hit him then he will give up to protect his body from injuries.When i told you The real Arsen will beat john you started loughing,this is the proof that Age metters and people can't be like 30s forever and even Brzenk gets older...
Either way whether Arsen laid down his arm once Denis caught him or not, Denis did catch him and would have won anyways, I don't Arsen got very worn down from flashing some guys in the 100kg class, not worn down enough to make a difference anyways, and it looked like he tried to stop Denis (he even elbow fouled!) but he failed to do so. And Denis would easily beat 95kg John imo he is way stronger than he was at the 2008 Zloty.
I agree with you.......Liliev looked like a school kid against Cyplenkov. Dennis beat him so easily, it was amazing. Dennis is amazing and just too strong for anybody. That hand and wrist is just enormous it's like grabbing a football.
Handerlandj when i told you Arsen didn;t want to pull Denis you didn'y believe me.Arsen was very tired then because he won 100kg category but Denis was fresh,then Arsen said to Ergin if Denis is too strong and can't hit him then he will give up to protect his body from injuries.When i told you The real Arsen will beat john you started loughing,this is the proof that Age metters and people can't be like 30s forever and even Brzenk gets older...
Handerlandj when i told you Arsen didn;t want to pull Denis you didn'y believe me.Arsen was very tired then because he won 100kg category but Denis was fresh,then Arsen said to Ergin if Denis is too strong and can't hit him then he will give up to protect his body from injuuries.When i told you The real Arsen will beat john you started loughing,this is the proof that Age metters and people can't be like 30s forever and even Brzenk gets older...
Perhaps Devon didnt fancy his chances with a hurt John in a hook ..but it was his chance ot prove himself by going on the inside ..but then again it shows me how brave Brzenk is by going into hook matches with such strong guys like Usmanov in 2006...that's what i call a daring guy ..was one of the most exciting matches ever
At 0:20 seconds John actually pinned Devon if you can see. And who said john was giving his full strength?John has not used his techniques to the full. Devon knows it.
devons got the damn post buried. hes got the right arm length and strength to neutralize johns side pressure with his back pressure alone. i believe that was the key that he used in beating john. i think john needs to rethink his backpressure/post training and impliment it more, but what the hell do i know johns a legend, and he knows what hes doing... just a thought.
Arsen is going to have a tough time dealing with John if he is trainning with Devon! Devon has become a beast by the way! Arsen is also a top class competitor is going to be close I cant wait!
the arnold classic is coming up this weekend,too bad john won't be there as he is pulling arsen.devon will win the arnold.john and arsen very tough.i pick john yea!
We'll see it on March 13th who was right,this was my opinion that Arsen didn't want to pull ,this is what he told to Ergin Tertzi on the phone and when i saw the clip i believed him cause he didn't force to much he just tried one shot and when he saw Denis catch the hit gave up,you will see the real Arsen on 13th,remeber what he did to Genadi,Ruslan,Oncescu and many other world campions that's what i said he will crush Rustam on top roll of course,anyway we'll see how it ends..
Yes i was forming an opinion with this match alone since we don't have their other matches together here. Devon has way more endurance than anybody a 6 round format would be too much for Brzenk & i'm not only saying that because of Devon's superior endurance Yes Brzenk is lighter here and tried very hard but as you said Devon is just HOLDING John there is no offense from him had he attacked he would'v got John down as you see in the end plus Devon;s posture his stance is there to help John
Alan Bown, 2008 and 2009 World Champion in the 198 lbs. masters class, was at this practice. He said he thinks in a best out of 10, John would beat Devon 6-0. Doesn't that mean that John would win a best out of 6, 6-0? That is 217 lbs. John...
Well those are just the Words of Alan Bown... but I trust his judgement. At any rate, if 217 lbs. John can have any chance with Devon in a best of 6 I would put a dollar on John over Devon in a best of 7, it John is a solid and healthy 230. Especially after Devon's performance last weekend, although Devon is still one of the best.
He beat a few guys no one near top 10 in the world, Don Underwood hit him over, slipped, hit him over again, fouled, 3rd start they were dead center, Woody fouled out. Then Devon pulled Ryan Espey, slip, straps, but they were very even on the slip, Devon fouled out for moving in a ref's grip. Against Don Underwood the next day Woody hit him over, slip, straps, Woody "flashed" him. Most people think it was not a pin. Either way Woody was close to Devon and Tim Bresnan beat Espey 4-0 last month!
I guess it shows us that Devon like everybody else is human a lesson learnt that one should not buy into all the hype that gets attached to people so early. Devon is terrific but very human as well like everyone else
Same with Voevoda... and do you remember the hype when Denis came back to armwrestling in 2008? Now it seems he is finally as strong as some people thought he was then. But the Devon thing is kind of making a bit of sense to me. I think in match#2, John legitimately gave Devon a match (in their supermatch). Devon won via toproll but if John's wrist had been 100% he may not have been able to toproll John. 4 weeks later John barely beat Ron Bath inside, but a year after that he played with Ron.
Voevoda unfortunately didnt stay around for long won a big tournamant and left - Had he stayed he too would have been beaten and like Devon the hysteria about him would have gone after a defeat ..Likewise with Devon its a huge wakeup call ..Brzenk at 217 gave him a challenge and his weekend match wasnt so good as you said ..Denis, Pushkar are all waiting in the wings and others for Devon ..and all are improving ..i reckon Denis has what it takes to make it after all the slack he took before
I agree and I think Denis, Pushkar, Brzenk, and Travis (assuming he is not in shape, he looks like he is and says he's been training) would all beat the current Devon. Endurance doesn't matter unless you can stop the match, Pushkar and Travis are extremely fast which is Devon's weakness. Denis and John are just too strong. jmo.
Point being John got a lot stronger since their match and his wrist is healthy now. I don't think we can really take anything from this training. Devon said he trained the day before, and who knows how beat up John's arms were already form his training? I think Devon must be nearing or already at his [natural] peak. I would put money on John for sure if he and Devon met in a tournament, first draw.
He beat Paul Fischer who took 3rd at Worlds in 2008 in the right hand supers class, but got dominated by Pushkar and the #2 place guy. Lupkes and Bresnan easily beat him at Nationals the same year. Devon also beat Paul easily.
He beat Michael Eakman, who won the Mike Gould Classic 199+ AMATEUR class in 09. This guy is huge and muscular, looks like a bodybuilder. Think Rich Lupkes with smaller forearms, barely, and a smaller back, barely. Devon beat him easy, as did Shawn Turner in the qualifier
did you have the matches ?? all the matches from arnold of devon? i cant believe he lost that way... i know he are weak to fast hits but that Underwood came of nowere and do that
Not too sure actually - For one we dont know which round this particular recorded match was we would have to see all their practicing sessions that day in order to give a balanced judgement not from this match alone. Devon's endurance is unquestionable over here he was just holding off John it was all defensive and he was amazing - John was incredible too despite the fact that he's light. I heard they pulled non stop for 2 hours before. A video of that match would give a better indication.
Looks like John is taking his match very seriously with Arsen by training with the man himself Devon what better way to train!..As far this video goes - Devon wasnt trying to topple John but resisting trying to hold on Wouldnt take it too seriously...and John gave it all but couldnt pin him (and he was trying to pin Devon its obvious)
I'm a huge John B. fan but I think the only chance he will have against Devon will be to get him in a hook quickly. I agree with backpressure123, I don't think John can handle Devon's toproll and backpressure. I do think John will beat Arsen but it won't be easy. Devon is on a level of his own and I think he can take anyone on the planet right now.
Devon's toproll seems to be better than John's at the moment. John's pronator couldn't overcome Devon's wrist cup while Devon's pronator + backpressure seemed to overcome John's wrist cup at the very end when John was about to get toprolled and the match stopped. Devon also manages to grip up higher and slowly climb up John's hand as the match progresses to get leverage advantage and a better position for applying backpressure + toprolling pressure.
It seems like the only way John can beat Devon right now is if he quickly manages to drive & control the match inside and jam low on Devon's wrist by using his little finger and wrist cupping strength. Perhaps this is why John decided to grip low since if they both try toprolling with high grips then John would be at a leverage disadvantage because of Devon's incredibily long forearm.John knew this and took a low grip which would allow him to force a hook on a taller - armed opponent better.
WOW John certainly looks much stronger than the last time he pulled Devon. He keeps switching back and forth between a toproll and an inside hook. I don't know why he isn't capping his thumb though. Grabbing low is usually bad when toprolling...
John tries his best here not to let the match stop. He is constantly hitting into Devon. John's strength is incredible but so is Devon's endurance. You can tell that the longer the match goes the more comfortable Devon feels.
John's looking a lil bit old... But he still it!!
He's a bad mother f**ker
mikelowe100 2 months ago
gray vs NAY.
rholt15 2 months ago
Larratt's elbow moves all over the place, well it is against John Brzenk lol
raybradbury3 3 months ago
a person doesn´t know anything of armwrestling
lucianillo 5 months ago
I wonder if John was ever strong as Devon, Todd, and Cyplenkov are today...
peeekar 6 months ago
@peeekar Well he has beat all three of them. Todd and Cyp also outweighed him by 50 pounds. In his peak I think Brzenk was stronger. He is passd his prime though.
TheMightykaz 5 months ago
@TheMightykaz
I must agree, i heard somewhere that Brzenk beat Devon here twice before filming this video, 2006 or 2009 version of him are best ever!
peeekar 4 months ago
@peeekar John won Nemiroff 06,07,08,09...he was very strong.
kasparov9 4 months ago
@peeekar Brzenk at his peak was stronger than all of them.
bogdychamp 4 weeks ago
на правую руку Воевода и ларат самые сильнейшие на сегодняшний день армрестлеры,а на левой денис и тревис
MegaArman74 7 months ago
@MegaArman74 и еще я думаю денис задавит тревиса на левой,но на резкость не уверен,и так же воевода я думаю ларата задавит с трудом канешно но думаю задавит, воевода в 2004 году как втоптал брзенка на немирофф лихо, а ларрат проиграл брзенку тоже в 2004,к тому времени как ларат стал посильней и положил брзенка, а воевода еще сильней стал,я думаю на сегодняшний день денис Nommber one left. а воевода nommber one Right
MegaArman74 7 months ago
John was old , doesn't matter if he was heavy /injury free when Devon beat him 6-0...John was still old. The guy's in his mid 40's ? or was at the time Devon beat him. Yea John is still relevant even tho he is so old which is a credit to how great an armwrestler he is and has been , but U can't really call Devon "the best of all time" ... When he never faced a 28-36 year old Brzenk now did he? Devons the best right now , lets see how he does in his mid 40's before deciding on his legacy?
Wonglow 7 months ago
@Wonglow John peaked at 42 in 2006, armwrestlers tend to peak 42-44. John was injured against Devon in 2008 but pulled anyway.
kasparov9 7 months ago
@Wonglow shaddup yer old lol
fatsmut 3 months ago
wow john got old
DeMaxize 7 months ago
I still wanna see the 2nd John vs Devon supermatch when John is heavy and injury free..
backpressure123 7 months ago
the best video in which you can see devon is over john now,john attacks and devon is holding,rarelly i've seen someone bolcking brzenk because brzenk was the one who blocked
azuuu008 7 months ago
i think john is just showing his age a lil bit but i still consider him one of the greats and has done more than enough for this sport. way to go john!
czoraa21 7 months ago
Воевода сделает их всех вместе взятых
F4LL7K 8 months ago
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MrShoimu 8 months ago
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MrShoimu 8 months ago
Has Vovoda gone against Brzenk anytime?
OTOWN2STOCKTOWN 9 months ago
@OTOWN2STOCKTOWN once, voevoda won in 1-0
devidia 9 months ago
@devidia no it was twice.. Brzenk attempted a match many months after nemiroff.. he still lost
thefanaticx 8 months ago
@thefanaticx Really? When and where was this match?
kasparov9 8 months ago
@kasparov9 at some nemiroff promotional or qualifier. you can tell that it was a different event cause the background promoted products and Brzenk wore a red nemiroff shirt this time, instead of the yellow he used in 2004.. there were no existing videos, just pictures, and it didn't say what place and what time.. most probably it was before or after veovoda's vendetta with michael Todd
thefanaticx 8 months ago
@thefanaticx Yeah sure that was from Vendetta 2007, where Voevoda beat Todd 6-0. But how do you know Voevoda and Brzenk pulled? If they did it was not competitive, where did you get the results of that?
kasparov9 8 months ago
@kasparov9 Voevoda pulled Brzenk in 2004 at the Nemiroff Cup. He won.
bogdychamp 4 weeks ago
@bogdychamp Yes I know that, but Nemiroff is not a good indicator of who is better, as you go through many competitors before you get to the finals, and some may try harder against you than others. Brzenk was small that day and injured against Taras. Would have been different if Voevoda vs Brzenk from 2006 Vegas shape.
kasparov9 3 weeks ago
@kasparov9 if somehow 2004 Voevoda and 2006 John could meet,Voevoda would win.He would win harder, nonetheless he would win.He is simply stronger.
John is the greatest ever because he's been at the top for over 20 years, and because of his achievements.He's a legend,he's so strong compared to his body weight.
But Voevoda is the strongest ever.There's no arguing about that from my point of view.
bogdychamp 3 weeks ago
@kasparov9 correction.. red VENDETTA shirt.. my bad
thefanaticx 8 months ago
Cyplenkov Nr 1 left, nr 3 right. Brzenk nr 2 right nr 16 left. Obviously Cyplenkov has better overall strength.. and his age is amazing, many good years to come. I am absolutely sure that if Cyplenkov continues with armwrestling he will be nr 1 in left and right for many years!
ReMarig00o 9 months ago
@q8shiaassassin Dude, I think Travis will be in Zloty, and Engin Terzi thinks he will beat Cyplenkov with the left, I can't wait! Also, Cadorette against Cyplenkov with the right!
kasparov9 9 months ago
@kasparov9 The Bagent/Denis match could go either way, I'm predicting Denis to win, provided he can contain Travis' hit. If he stops it, I feel it will be over. If he can stop Todd's enormous hit with his weaker right arm [the match he had after Lupkes in which he lost to Todd] Then most def he'll be able to stop Bagent though Bagent will post his hand high so that could be one critical determinant
SDSen 9 months ago
@SDSen I think Bagent's left hit is much stronger than anything Todd can do. I don't think Denis will be able to stop Bagent's hit, Larratt definitly couldn't at the recent UAL. Denis is superstrong for sure with the left, but that left hit from Bagent is probably the best in the world.
kasparov9 9 months ago
@kasparov9 True but then again Devon was never known to be a perfect starter off the go he was always vulnerable plus the fact that there is a considerable difference between Devon's left & Denis's left, I believe even Brzenk has a victory over Bagent left handed. Travis is downright dangerous at the start it all depends on whether Denis can catch him that's I say Travis has a chance in a tournament type format, in a 6 round supermatch he'd be in serious trouble JMO
SDSen 9 months ago
@SDSen Sure Devon isn't the best at the start, but how can you know what Devon's left is like compared to Denis? They have never pulled. I think it will also depend on the shape of Travis, if he is in great shape I think his hit will be too much for Denis, where did you hear that Brzenk beat Travis left?
kasparov9 9 months ago
@kasparov9 I heard it from Josh that he got beat by Brzenk a while back, I'm not saying for a fact that he'd lose to Denis but the chances IMO of him losing are much greater, Travis just has that toproll that fast hit if he's taken inside he'll be finished even Devon has round victories over Travis , if Devon being a right hander can accomplish that, then a Denis could do much worse that's my deduction. Having said that Tavis could surprise us
SDSen 9 months ago
@SDSen That's a good point about Devon beating Travis, he won 4-3 at arm wars in Vegas. We'll see soon enough what happens at Nemiroff:) Should be interesting...:)
kasparov9 9 months ago
john problem now is that he might be suffering LOW TESTOSTERONE, it is something that happens when we get older.lost of strenght, diminished sex drive etc.He may need to do a plan to increase his testosterone.
masterpatric07 11 months ago
WOW thats awesome
cinna71 1 year ago
There is only one legend in armwresling John Brzenk !!!
TibikeL 1 year ago
@TibikeL Well, Cyplenkov will be the NEXT legend. John had his time. Now it's time for him to move over.
khalsasikh 11 months ago
lol interesting how these guys are pretty slim but two of the greatest armwrestlers the world has ever seen
mojomatt176 1 year ago
@mojomatt176
Slim?
6'6 111kg is slim?
BrutalValor 1 year ago
@BrutalValor well i wouldn't consider either of them as huge.
mojomatt176 1 year ago
@llrond @armcrusha - I believe john wanted to practice with devon before he went to europe. As you can see Devon is only trying to hold Brzenk (WHICH IS ALOT OF WORK) and not attempting to win a match.
Devon is incredibly strong at the moment, and I do not see him losing to anyone in the world anytime soon.
jsbyerley 1 year ago 10
@jsbyerley Cyplenkov is at the Arnolds, I don't understand why Larratt has not made a comment about attending or not attending? At least not on northeast board. He just took on Bagent, but has no time for Cyplenkov, which is a match everyone wants to see. I don't get it. Can anyone clarify?
kasparov9 1 year ago
@kasparov9 As far as I know - Devon's work schedule is non-negotiable. He goes to the tournaments and supermatches he is able to attend. The last time a match was possible between Larratt and Cyplenkov, is was Cyplenkov who was not able to attend. The Bagent Larratt match was obviously a last minute production based on their schedules.
The Larratt Cyplenkov match WILL happen - the only question is when. =D
jsbyerley 1 year ago
@jsbyerley he would loose to Voevoda.
bogdychamp 4 weeks ago
@bogdychamp its stupid to even speculate - no one KNOWS that for "sure" - I do know I would LOVE to see that match, unfortunately I think the world of armwrestling is being robbed by not being able to see MORE of larratt and voevoda - two great champions who I would love to see reach their full arm wrestling potential
jsbyerley 3 weeks ago
@jsbyerley Well the rumor has it that Voevoda will make a comeback....Larrat vs. Voevoda would be a battle for sure,but if Alexey comes back at top condition I see him winning
Thomasgipsy 2 weeks ago
watch closely at the beginning devon has a MUCH better starting grip and brzenk just shrugs it off and pulls anyway. brzenk is still a very dangerous puller
mojomatt176 1 year ago
lol, it looks like daddy vs his son seriously, and the cocky son cant beat his dad
llrond 1 year ago
@llrond yeah haha look at how brzenk just plays with him now haha imagin the russian monsters would crush larratt
armcrusha 1 year ago
damn devon becoming stronger every day
q8shiaprince 1 year ago
Is Devon still going to pull Jerry? WOA.com is now showing he will pull Richard Lupkes at the Sin City event. Not sure if this is something else or a replacement.
headcaseman 1 year ago
@headcaseman Jerry pulled out, here is what he said... "I was in an accident and the MRI showed I compressed my L4 disc, and it is bulging on my nerve."
Yes Richard Lupkes will be pulling Devon instead.
vancouverarm 1 year ago
man dude super match between devon, john, alexey ( when and IF he returns) travis, arsen, and cyplenkov.......ho...ly...shit!
get john to train HARD and make a dvd out of that shit man..he'll beat devon
ledzeppelinstoh 1 year ago
@ledzeppelinstoh Yeah, I think he can take Devon if he prepares well enough........it's that damn beast Cyplenkov I'm worried about. I was disappointed that Devon, Travis and Arsen were nowhere to be found in the last three Nemirrof's where Cyplenkov beat Brznenk like he was a little kid.
khalsasikh 1 year ago
@khalsasikh If you fallow Arm Wrestling world you would kniow what john is going throught. And you would change you thoughts on calling him a little kid
nawzy202 1 year ago
@matiseq :))) great comm
gab0624 1 year ago
@gab0624 asa e breakere :))
szaszpetrut 1 year ago
In inthehookcom Devon mentions that he is not at his best yet, and would peak in his 40's around 43-45, does anyone know why he would think this? He mentions it when asked about a match with an in form Voevoda.
kasparov9 1 year ago
@kasparov9 Arm wrestling is the only sport where u get stronger while with aging
nawzy202 1 year ago
@kasparov9 I don't believe that. I think he is just saying this to psyche out his competition. John Brzenk, though he is incredibly powerful for his size, is not the same as he was 10 years ago. He is not as strong anymore. His knowledge and skill are what get him through today. Devon is at his best right now. If he is not careful, the younger guys will take him down.........namely Cyplenkov who is only 25 years old. Cyplenkov destroyed Brzenk at the last Nemirrof.
khalsasikh 1 year ago
@khalsasikh i hate to bring up roids in a matter like this, but i do believe that THATS what has helped cyplenkov beat john, and i dont think john is user himself.
trashbash2001 1 year ago
@trashbash2001 Whether or not Cyplenkov or Brzenk take steroids, I don't know. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. If they do, they are not the only ones by a longshot!
khalsasikh 1 year ago
@khalsasikh no doubt, I'm just saying that i am a believer that john has gotten to where he is through great genetics and natural talent. Today, someone being the size denis is, and being able to beat john..... something tells me he's on something. Cause pound for pound, john is a LOT stronger than denis (right handed)
trashbash2001 1 year ago
@trashbash2001 Denis did not beat john because of roids. He beat john because john was injured and has been for a while. John said he could train for nemirrof because every time he picked up a dumbell he would get sharp pains.He said all he is doing now is resting and letting his tendons and joints heal and then he will start training again.6 months before nemirrof john stoped training and was just healing
nawzy202 1 year ago
@nawzy202 interesting. I remember seeing his facebook post saying he was getting ready for nemirrof and that was about 6 months prior. I guess he started getting ready and realized it wasnt gonna happen.
trashbash2001 1 year ago
@khalsasikh I think Arsen could beat Devon. It is my opinion.
fernanditosant 8 months ago
Nice to see these two just pulling properly and not trying to flash each other.
Can you imagine Arsen holding John or Devon's power like this? No.
headcaseman 1 year ago 7
Can't imagine the kind of force between their palms
Tigerchoke 1 year ago
The match I would want to see.. Denis Cyplenkov vs. Devon Laratt
thefanaticx 1 year ago 21
@thefanaticx yup i agree even with arsen!!
RISTPOWER 1 year ago
@thefanaticx ..Same here thats the match i want to see the most
SDSen 1 year ago
@thefanaticx Laratt is too chicken to face Cyplenkov. So is Bagent. Besides, Larrat is getting old.
khalsasikh 8 months ago
@khalsasikh lol larratt's not even forty yet and he can destroy cyplenkov
mojomatt176 8 months ago
@khalsasikh exactly.. hahaha
thefanaticx 8 months ago
@thefanaticx Veovada vs Laratt
elite50cent 8 months ago
Why doesn't Larratt ever compete at the Nemirof cup?
kasparov9 1 year ago 2
@kasparov9 because his scared!!
RISTPOWER 1 year ago
Brzenk ve Cadorette wasa complete non-match anyway. Brzenk was busted up and Cadorette was as bad as Arsen for elbow fouls.
headcaseman 1 year ago
Jerry Cadorette now 2nd in the world after beating John Brzenk at UAL 2010!
kasparov9 1 year ago
@kasparov9 John messed himself up in an ATV accident a couple of weeks ago though. He tried to play it down but there's no way that didn't affect his performance.
headcaseman 1 year ago
@headcaseman Yes I know I saw his interview, I wonder when he will be back to his best?
kasparov9 1 year ago
@kasparov9 i think that match was bull....! jerry in the third match never pin john!!!!
RISTPOWER 1 year ago
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SDSen 1 year ago
john,伟大的腕力选手！！！
HammerXXX 1 year ago
Would love to see these two just go at it in a solid hook match again. I think John can still beat Devon if it stays inside even if he's only 220lbs or whatever.
headcaseman 1 year ago
lmao its like 2 guys playing chess with there fucking wrists and wrists. awesome
lumberjak1984 1 year ago
looks like john actually pined him but it would be grate fight when john and devon are at there strongest heaviest weight
nawzy202 1 year ago
In a rematch Devon will still win because of his endurance... John most come strong and pin him fast or he will lose!
Radu87ro 1 year ago
@Radu87ro ...Endurance will only work if you can stop the match
SDSen 1 year ago
@SDSen Yes I agree. I sad: "John must come strong and pin him fast or he will lose!"
Radu87ro 1 year ago
@Radu87ro ..Bear in mind he is only 217lbs here a weak version and he gives Devon hell ..imagine what a 230lbs Brzenk would do
SDSen 1 year ago
@SDSen Apparently Brzenk was at 240 vs Cyplenkov last June...:)
kasparov9 1 year ago
John looks much more powerful here than in there 2008 match..
kasparov9 1 year ago
the old bull vs. the young buck.
Hitman8669 1 year ago
Since they were practising together they should have had some informal matches while they were at it! I don't know why they didn't do this?
kasparov9 1 year ago
Dante..get them to have a supermatch again! Get into Devon's ear about it!
We want a rematch...:)
kasparov9 1 year ago
@kasparov9 They will john called devon and they are trying to set it up around november
nawzy202 1 year ago
@nawzy202 Hi, are you sure? How do you know this?
kasparov9 1 year ago
@kasparov9 because there is a tape where john is saying he called devon and they are talking about a rematch maybe somewhere in november this year or maybe next year depends on john since he is hurt right now
nawzy202 1 year ago
Great display of two technical masters and their power. Side pressure, back pressure, rotational power, press, hook etc. all there. John's offensive skills and variety of techniques and all around power is still no1 in the world. Devon's defense and speed and ability to respond is next to nothing.
When Brzenk gets back healthy and heavy this match up is going to be the battle of the century.
Thanks for posting. Any more videos from this practice session? We want more!!!
tedchristof 1 year ago
When john is fully recovered from the back surgery and starts to bulk up to 230+ again I want to see a rematch of him vs devon. I believe john 100% at 230+ will give hell to devon and would be a fairly close match
jstyiezp 1 year ago
John's going to have to really train his ass off to beat Devon these days. Their styles are very similar; both are unmatchable in a hook (except by each other).
Devon's just a bit bigger, a bit stronger overall in the upper body, and he has better endurance. John will only ever beat Devon convincingly at a heavier weight. Anything under 230 for John - Devon is just too strong.
headcaseman 1 year ago
True JOhn has to be 230lbs to defeat Devon ...but when he went to Canada to train against him ! By account of people there who watched them pull for 2 hrs they said had it been a professional match John would have won 10 rounds and the last 4 to Devon..here John is 217lbs dieting..and gives him hell..Devon has shown that he is human after all when he had a hook war with Earl Wilson and struggled with Don Underwood (regardless of the decision)who wasnt even in the world ranking at the time.
SDSen 1 year ago
@headcaseman Dont devon weight normaly over 230lbs?
nawzy202 1 year ago
john has not been full strength for a couple of years now. matter of fact he just had back surgery and is recovering nicely. so i think it is a possibility that we could see a new john brzenk very soon. lets hope so over the alternative.
slamdunkonu 1 year ago
why doesn't Brzenk simply use a press - that should do the job!
murad421 2 years ago
Hopefully they'll be a video of it soon...
headcaseman 2 years ago
Handerlandj when i told you Arsen didn;t want to pull Denis you didn'y believe me.Arsen was very tired then because he won 100kg category but Denis was fresh,then Arsen said to Ergin if Denis is too strong and can't hit him then he will give up to protect his body from injuries.When i told you The real Arsen will beat john you started loughing,this is the proof that Age metters and people can't be like 30s forever and even Brzenk gets older..
trixterx 2 years ago
I laughed? When was this? My $1 was on John over Arsen but I am not very surprised by the outcome... I figured it would be close... I still think Denis would beat Arsen just as easily as he did in that overall. Arsen was tired from pulling the 100kg class? Didn't he flash everybody? So why was he tired? And I know what he told Engin but he also said he was going to get up to 100kg and diet to 95kg for the match, but he weighed in at 91kg, and it didn't look like he "let" Denis win.
HandelandJ 2 years ago
Arsen top roll doesnt work for Dennis. Arsen feels he was pullling against a wall, llok at his face. I Also think Devon probbaly would beat Brzenk again, I would like your opinion about this point.
fernanditosant 1 year ago
We'll John was 217 lbs. here and dieting... I think a 230 lbs. healthy John would take him out. 5-1. In the strap.
HandelandJ 1 year ago
Handerlandj when i told you Arsen didn;t want to pull Denis you didn'y believe me.Arsen was very tired then because he won 100kg category but Denis was fresh,then Arsen said to Ergin if Denis is too strong and can't hit him then he will give up to protect his body from injuries.When i told you The real Arsen will beat john you started loughing,this is the proof that Age metters and people can't be like 30s forever and even Brzenk gets older...
trixterx 2 years ago
Either way whether Arsen laid down his arm once Denis caught him or not, Denis did catch him and would have won anyways, I don't Arsen got very worn down from flashing some guys in the 100kg class, not worn down enough to make a difference anyways, and it looked like he tried to stop Denis (he even elbow fouled!) but he failed to do so. And Denis would easily beat 95kg John imo he is way stronger than he was at the 2008 Zloty.
HandelandJ 2 years ago
I agree with you.......Liliev looked like a school kid against Cyplenkov. Dennis beat him so easily, it was amazing. Dennis is amazing and just too strong for anybody. That hand and wrist is just enormous it's like grabbing a football.
khalsasikh 1 year ago
arsen did nothing but elbow fouls
monsta2679 1 year ago 37
@monsta2679
so true man. I think I read that they both (Arsen and John) agreed to a rematch in Vegas, is that true?
And, does anyone know when the vids from Mike Gould Classic will be up?
FrankSlade1983 1 year ago
@monsta2679 his elbow never left the pad
Hitman8669 1 year ago
@Hitman8669 arsens elbow did
aisling100 1 year ago
Handerlandj when i told you Arsen didn;t want to pull Denis you didn'y believe me.Arsen was very tired then because he won 100kg category but Denis was fresh,then Arsen said to Ergin if Denis is too strong and can't hit him then he will give up to protect his body from injuries.When i told you The real Arsen will beat john you started loughing,this is the proof that Age metters and people can't be like 30s forever and even Brzenk gets older...
trixterx 2 years ago
Handerlandj when i told you Arsen didn;t want to pull Denis you didn'y believe me.Arsen was very tired then because he won 100kg category but Denis was fresh,then Arsen said to Ergin if Denis is too strong and can't hit him then he will give up to protect his body from injuuries.When i told you The real Arsen will beat john you started loughing,this is the proof that Age metters and people can't be like 30s forever and even Brzenk gets older...
trixterx 2 years ago
Agreed SDSen
prodigy320 2 years ago
Arsen beat John 3-2 today. Looks like the guy is the real deal.
headcaseman 2 years ago
Is it today Brzenk pulls Arsen? Is it being streamed anywhere or anything?
headcaseman 2 years ago
good stuff... like the comments
4stringthing13 2 years ago
Perhaps Devon didnt fancy his chances with a hurt John in a hook ..but it was his chance ot prove himself by going on the inside ..but then again it shows me how brave Brzenk is by going into hook matches with such strong guys like Usmanov in 2006...that's what i call a daring guy ..was one of the most exciting matches ever
SDSen 2 years ago
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SDSen 2 years ago
Devon's technique reminds me of crazy George.
abhijit22in 2 years ago
At 0:20 seconds John actually pinned Devon if you can see. And who said john was giving his full strength?John has not used his techniques to the full. Devon knows it.
abhijit22in 2 years ago
John's inner forearm is just ridiculous.
headcaseman 2 years ago
Right Forearm=15 3/4 inches with arm straight out!!
NolstalgiaFreek 2 years ago
devons got the damn post buried. hes got the right arm length and strength to neutralize johns side pressure with his back pressure alone. i believe that was the key that he used in beating john. i think john needs to rethink his backpressure/post training and impliment it more, but what the hell do i know johns a legend, and he knows what hes doing... just a thought.
bigstace38 2 years ago 12
Arsen is going to have a tough time dealing with John if he is trainning with Devon! Devon has become a beast by the way! Arsen is also a top class competitor is going to be close I cant wait!
heywhatsup65 2 years ago
the arnold classic is coming up this weekend,too bad john won't be there as he is pulling arsen.devon will win the arnold.john and arsen very tough.i pick john yea!
fatsmut 2 years ago
We'll see it on March 13th who was right,this was my opinion that Arsen didn't want to pull ,this is what he told to Ergin Tertzi on the phone and when i saw the clip i believed him cause he didn't force to much he just tried one shot and when he saw Denis catch the hit gave up,you will see the real Arsen on 13th,remeber what he did to Genadi,Ruslan,Oncescu and many other world campions that's what i said he will crush Rustam on top roll of course,anyway we'll see how it ends..
trixterx 2 years ago
@trixterx do you no where we can see the match
rstyzz6 2 years ago
Yes i was forming an opinion with this match alone since we don't have their other matches together here. Devon has way more endurance than anybody a 6 round format would be too much for Brzenk & i'm not only saying that because of Devon's superior endurance Yes Brzenk is lighter here and tried very hard but as you said Devon is just HOLDING John there is no offense from him had he attacked he would'v got John down as you see in the end plus Devon;s posture his stance is there to help John
SDSen 2 years ago 2
Alan Bown, 2008 and 2009 World Champion in the 198 lbs. masters class, was at this practice. He said he thinks in a best out of 10, John would beat Devon 6-0. Doesn't that mean that John would win a best out of 6, 6-0? That is 217 lbs. John...
HandelandJ 2 years ago
@HandelandJ Amazing - Had no idea John gave him that much trouble a 217lbs John
SDSen 2 years ago
Well those are just the Words of Alan Bown... but I trust his judgement. At any rate, if 217 lbs. John can have any chance with Devon in a best of 6 I would put a dollar on John over Devon in a best of 7, it John is a solid and healthy 230. Especially after Devon's performance last weekend, although Devon is still one of the best.
HandelandJ 2 years ago
I agree - 'Devon's performance last weekend' - Who did he pull?
SDSen 2 years ago
He beat a few guys no one near top 10 in the world, Don Underwood hit him over, slipped, hit him over again, fouled, 3rd start they were dead center, Woody fouled out. Then Devon pulled Ryan Espey, slip, straps, but they were very even on the slip, Devon fouled out for moving in a ref's grip. Against Don Underwood the next day Woody hit him over, slip, straps, Woody "flashed" him. Most people think it was not a pin. Either way Woody was close to Devon and Tim Bresnan beat Espey 4-0 last month!
HandelandJ 2 years ago
I guess it shows us that Devon like everybody else is human a lesson learnt that one should not buy into all the hype that gets attached to people so early. Devon is terrific but very human as well like everyone else
SDSen 2 years ago
Same with Voevoda... and do you remember the hype when Denis came back to armwrestling in 2008? Now it seems he is finally as strong as some people thought he was then. But the Devon thing is kind of making a bit of sense to me. I think in match#2, John legitimately gave Devon a match (in their supermatch). Devon won via toproll but if John's wrist had been 100% he may not have been able to toproll John. 4 weeks later John barely beat Ron Bath inside, but a year after that he played with Ron.
HandelandJ 2 years ago
Voevoda unfortunately didnt stay around for long won a big tournamant and left - Had he stayed he too would have been beaten and like Devon the hysteria about him would have gone after a defeat ..Likewise with Devon its a huge wakeup call ..Brzenk at 217 gave him a challenge and his weekend match wasnt so good as you said ..Denis, Pushkar are all waiting in the wings and others for Devon ..and all are improving ..i reckon Denis has what it takes to make it after all the slack he took before
SDSen 2 years ago
I agree and I think Denis, Pushkar, Brzenk, and Travis (assuming he is not in shape, he looks like he is and says he's been training) would all beat the current Devon. Endurance doesn't matter unless you can stop the match, Pushkar and Travis are extremely fast which is Devon's weakness. Denis and John are just too strong. jmo.
HandelandJ 2 years ago
I think now even Arsen has a strong chance against Devon
prodigy320 2 years ago
Point being John got a lot stronger since their match and his wrist is healthy now. I don't think we can really take anything from this training. Devon said he trained the day before, and who knows how beat up John's arms were already form his training? I think Devon must be nearing or already at his [natural] peak. I would put money on John for sure if he and Devon met in a tournament, first draw.
HandelandJ 2 years ago
He beat Paul Fischer who took 3rd at Worlds in 2008 in the right hand supers class, but got dominated by Pushkar and the #2 place guy. Lupkes and Bresnan easily beat him at Nationals the same year. Devon also beat Paul easily.
He beat Michael Eakman, who won the Mike Gould Classic 199+ AMATEUR class in 09. This guy is huge and muscular, looks like a bodybuilder. Think Rich Lupkes with smaller forearms, barely, and a smaller back, barely. Devon beat him easy, as did Shawn Turner in the qualifier
HandelandJ 2 years ago
did you have the matches ?? all the matches from arnold of devon? i cant believe he lost that way... i know he are weak to fast hits but that Underwood came of nowere and do that
shckar 2 years ago
Nope I only have the ones I posted, Underwood is on fire now, and 2 months ago he went 18-0 at armwars.
HandelandJ 2 years ago
@HandelandJ ...any idea when the fight will be uploaded
SDSen 2 years ago
@HandelandJ Im sure you'll get the results for brzenk and liliev pretty quick.. so post em asap cuz it sounds like john lost 3-2 today
4stringthing13 2 years ago
Not too sure actually - For one we dont know which round this particular recorded match was we would have to see all their practicing sessions that day in order to give a balanced judgement not from this match alone. Devon's endurance is unquestionable over here he was just holding off John it was all defensive and he was amazing - John was incredible too despite the fact that he's light. I heard they pulled non stop for 2 hours before. A video of that match would give a better indication.
VeerGill 2 years ago
Looks like John is taking his match very seriously with Arsen by training with the man himself Devon what better way to train!..As far this video goes - Devon wasnt trying to topple John but resisting trying to hold on Wouldnt take it too seriously...and John gave it all but couldnt pin him (and he was trying to pin Devon its obvious)
SDSen 2 years ago 3
I'm a huge John B. fan but I think the only chance he will have against Devon will be to get him in a hook quickly. I agree with backpressure123, I don't think John can handle Devon's toproll and backpressure. I do think John will beat Arsen but it won't be easy. Devon is on a level of his own and I think he can take anyone on the planet right now.
armrip 2 years ago
Devon's toproll seems to be better than John's at the moment. John's pronator couldn't overcome Devon's wrist cup while Devon's pronator + backpressure seemed to overcome John's wrist cup at the very end when John was about to get toprolled and the match stopped. Devon also manages to grip up higher and slowly climb up John's hand as the match progresses to get leverage advantage and a better position for applying backpressure + toprolling pressure.
backpressure123 2 years ago
It seems like the only way John can beat Devon right now is if he quickly manages to drive & control the match inside and jam low on Devon's wrist by using his little finger and wrist cupping strength. Perhaps this is why John decided to grip low since if they both try toprolling with high grips then John would be at a leverage disadvantage because of Devon's incredibily long forearm.John knew this and took a low grip which would allow him to force a hook on a taller - armed opponent better.
backpressure123 2 years ago
Those are big 'IF' factors i'm not sure if John would even be able to control the match inside seeing how Devon has improved his inside game power
SDSen 2 years ago
WOW John certainly looks much stronger than the last time he pulled Devon. He keeps switching back and forth between a toproll and an inside hook. I don't know why he isn't capping his thumb though. Grabbing low is usually bad when toprolling...
backpressure123 2 years ago
John tries his best here not to let the match stop. He is constantly hitting into Devon. John's strength is incredible but so is Devon's endurance. You can tell that the longer the match goes the more comfortable Devon feels.
backpressure123 2 years ago
Clash of Titans!!!!!
NolstalgiaFreek 2 years ago
Looks like John is just playing with him now. John Brzenk once again on top!
PoomasterThe 2 years ago
John is playing with Devon? You must be kidding. John is humble enough to disagree with you...
BesterMenschDerWelt 2 years ago 5