Youve got to be joking ,these jahil and liars talking ill of ibn taymiyyah , akhi these guys chatting nonsense in the video are not even a dust worth of what ibn taymiyyah rahimuallah'utala did for the ummah
Salafi, Atharee, Ahl-ul Hadeeth, SUnni same thing if you dont FOLLOW the SALAF the my brother i dont know who you follow the TAbi'een Would refer to the Sahaabah as AHL-UL-Hadeeth
Ali Ibnul Madanee (d.228) (teacher of Imaam Bukhari) said concerning the hadeeth "There shall not cease to be a group from amongst my ummah apparent upon the truth those who oppose them will not able to harm them" "they are Ahlul Hadeeth" (Saheeh in Tirmidhee 4/485 adh Dhahabi in ad Deenaar p.63
Adh-Dhahabi said in as-Siyar (13/380) "so that which the Haafidh is in need of is to be fearful of ALLAH Intelligent...SALAFI"
Imaam Adhahabi said in as-Siyar (16/457) about ad-Daaraqutnee "this man would never Enter in to 'ILM ul Kilaam nor Argumentation he would never delve deeply into that Rather, he was SALAFI"
Salafi is an Ascription to the SALAF (1st 3 generations of islaam) because the prophet (peace be upon him) said "the best is my generation then those after them then after them"
let me ask you a question why do you lie? be truthful you lie upon ibn taymiyyah and the salaf the Madhab of the salaf was take the text upon the apparant meanings and please my brother read Al ibaanah Usool Ud Diyaanah by abul hasan al Asharee he Affirms Allahs Sifaat and istawaa and for the KADHAAB who lied upon the salaf saying they never called them selves salafi and you are Quoting imaam Adh Dhahabi lets quote Dhahabi
no salafi ulema considers muhammad abdu and afghani defends of anything except defenders of bidah , Sheikh Muqbil called them both this...this dude is a liar.
i thought the salafi movement had no leader no clear founder other then the reformer muhammed abdul wahab, the whole point of the salafi dawah is to go back to basics, quran and sunnah even the names were created by others to label them, so people that say salafis belive this and that or that a certain scholar said god has hands and feet, that doesnt represent the salafi ideology but of that individual, there is no clear scholar like the four madhabs that outline do's and donts and theology.
The last guy who says that the supreme architect of the freemasons is God is wrong..their supreme architect is shaytaan...it's admitted....Perhaps the brother al afghani noticed that their "supreme architect" had some characteristics that weren't synonymous with Allah's characteristics.......
Salaam Alaikum. Sandal: Lets put some light on your confusion. When someone says the Jahmiyyah make Allaah to be contained within the creation, and that Allaah is actually made to be less than the creation, while the one who is responsible for this creation is more befitting to be above the creation, this is not by means of creating rules or confirming a term to be a Sifah, this is an intellectual refutation of a weak statement.
When Shaikh Ibn Uthaimeen says The book al Furoo of Ibn Muflih is Haawee of the issues of Wiqaaf and Ikhtilaaf, the book is not above or below, this is not something that is part of anyones aqeedah or a rule, or even a literal statement. The opposite of what the Jahmiyyah claim of Allaah being in the earth is what Allaah confirms for Himself, and that can be understood by anyone following their fitrah and intellect. But what you probably somewhat know though lack comprehension of and
pretend ignorance of is that Shaikh alIslams aqeedah is not alHawee fawq alMahwee. Rather he stands where the salaf stood and stops where the salaf stopped. But he showed the people of rhetoric who drank the falsehood of the greek philosophers into their hearts that the sound intellect confirms what the authentic narrations brought, and that there is no contradiction between the intellect and the texts. In contrast to the people of innovation making the salaf to be aslam
or safer, while considering their madhab to be ahkam and alam, or having more wisdom and knowledge. Rather the manhaj of the salaf is Aslam and Alam and Ahkam, walHamdu Lillaah. So if Imaam arRaazee stated regarding the time period directly after Jahm spread doubt about Allaahs attributes from them His Uluww We met the Ulemaa of every region, from Hijaaz to Iraaq, to Egypt, Shaam and alYemen, and it was from their madhab:
That Allaah is above his Arsh, Baain (separate) from his creation (Laalikaaee 1/198)., then Shaikh alIslam stopped there, and that is where we stop. We dont affirm a direction or negate one for there is ambiguity in this term and it wasnt affirmed or denied by them for that reason. But Allaahs Uluww or highness is affirmed by the Quraan and the Mustafeedh Sunnah. We say as Allaahs Messenger confirmed, Sal Allaahu Alayhi wa sallam, that Allaah is above the sky, as the Jaariyah said
in the narration of Muslim when he asked her where is Allaah: Fi asSamaa, literally in the sky, meaning above the sky just as the Quraan also came with ((قسيحوا في الأرض)) meaning ((above the earth)), or (( و لأصلبنكم في جذوع النخل )) meaning ((above the palm trunk)), and as He, Jalla wa Azz Himself confirms, ((أ أمنتم من في السماء))
meaning ((Or do you feel safe from the one who is above the sky)), and He says what means ((arRahmaan rose above His Arsh)), and the salaf are on absolute consensus of these verses affirming His Highness which is an attribute of Allaah Himsef as well as affirming His action of Istiwaa and considers whoever spoke about the Istiwaa with anything but what is known from the Arabic language about it an innovator. So ask yourself, Sandal, when you raise your hands in Dua, who do you raise them to?
When you put your head on the ground and lower yourself headfirst, why is it that you say Glory be to the Most high? Because Allaah and His Messenger confirmed that He is in absolute highness. And the believers hearts are filled with Imaan with His attributes as they are in the Quraan and Sunnah, no matter how the people of sickness and Zaygh attempt to destroy this pure aqeedah and spread slander and deception. So if after this you are not able to return to the Sunnah as your forefathers
did, from Imaam Abu alHasan who freed himself from his aqeedah of old in writing al-Ibaanah, which is clarification enough for anyone with sight and sound mind, and as alJuwainee, ar Raazee and others did before they departed this life, then take a book of Shaikh alIslaam and try to refute it word by word and you will realize that you cannot play games with the books of this man which the Muslim world has accepted in every land. Look at Shaikh alHarraas, from the greatest of the Azharee
scholars, who decided to refute Ibn Taimiyyah then ended up writing his Doctorate entitled Ibn Taimiyah the Salafee in his defense instead.
May Allaah guide us and give us knowledge of his Deen, and burn the tongues of those who eat the flesh of the scholars. Oh Allaah show us the truth as being truth and the falsehood as being falsehood, and put distant from this Ummah the deceptions of those who lurk in hiding. Wallaahu Alam. Wa Sallallahu Ala Nabiyyina Muhammad.
واحتج لها ببراهين ومقدمات وأمور لم يسبق إليها, وأطلق عبارات أحجم عنها الأولون والآخرون وهابوا , وجسر هو عليها حتى قام عليه خلق من علماء مصر والشام قياما لا مزيد عليه. أهـ
IT didn't stand or stop where the Salaf did. His student, Ath Thahabi, who knew him better than you and I said.
"And he argued to defend it (the true sunnah and way of the salaf as he saw it), with proofs and rules and things NO ONE SAID BEFORE HIM! AND HE SAID EXPRESSIONS THAT EVERYONE BEFORE AND AFTER HIM FEARED (TO SAY) AND REFRAINED FROM. BUT HE BOLDLY SAID THEM. Until a large body of scholars from Egypt and Syria most sternly confronted him."
Also, Ath Thahabi was a muhaddith and historian. He had voluminous works like "Siyar A'laamin Nubalaa" and "Tareekhul Islam" - the History of Islam. If anyone from the Salaf had preceded his teacher to these statements, he of all people would have known.
As for you I say, stop watching these haram hip hop music videos first, since thats all I see on your page. Or may be your scholars do not prohibit these things.
Ibn Taymiyya translated the Quran and Hadith in there literal sense, the scholars of his time were many and there are many books written about what he used to say and teach. There were more than 60 different issues in which he deviated from, and thats why he was imprisoned by 4 judges from the 4 math`habs. He attributed to Allah a place, hands, a face ect. These statements have been well documented and are clearly rediculous!!1
In the name of Allah the Beneficent the Merciful, may peace and blessings be upon our master Muhammad and upon his Family and Companions.
As salaamu Ailakum
my dear brother muwa7idnafs please before you speak provide your evidence conjecture is not tolerated here when the ahlul-sunnah give you proof from a student of ibn tamiyyah you say the Ashari's ADDED FABRICATION IN THE BOOKs When the ahlul-Sunnah give you evidence from great imams the salafy's say such and such imam have misteaks
How did you assume I was a salafi just because of that one statement. So if a person refers to Imam Ibn Taymiyya, he is not from Ahlus-sunnah is that what your telling me?
In the name of Allah the Beneficent the Merciful, may peace and blessings be upon our master Muhammad and upon his Family and Companions.
As salaamu ailakum my dear brother why must we play these games no one on the face of the earth follows the aqeedah of ibn taymiyyah but salafy's if you want we can meet face to face and talk over these issues insha allah
what games brother?? I asked you a simple question and you did not answer. I know for a fact present day ashari's who respect Imam Ibn Taymiyya what would you say. Are they salafi's then acorrding to you. There are many non-salafis that know his status as a scholar. Stop living in denial.
In the name of Allah the Beneficent the Merciful, may peace and blessings be upon our master Muhammad and upon his Family and Companions.
As salaamu Ailakum
um um um my dear brother muwa7idnafs i dont know about you ?..if ashari's scholars respected imam ibn taymiyyah or gave him credit in paticalar area's of his knowledge doesn't mean he did'nt make mistakes in his aqeedah serious mistakes which goes against the ijma (consensus) of all the scholars does that answer your question ahkie :)
insha allah my dear brother in islam i would like to invite you to dinner we can go out to a islamic resturant and talk about these issues like men and get a better understanding from both sides and still love each other for the pleasure of allah and your dinner is on me my brother lol smile ok insha allah let me know my name is naasr-ul-deen
I never had a question, neither does any one claim Imam Ibn Taymiyya was 100% right in every thing. Every one has mistakes. And the so called mistakes you refer to is just a bunch of exaggerations.
But important thing here is even many of his counterparts gave him credit and debated him on many aspects, but they never resorted to slander the way you do akhi.
Despite the differences in Aqeeda with the Ashari's I still consider them my brothers in Islam but insulting some one of the caliber of Imam Ibn Taymiyya(rh) will not do any good to you and your Da'wah. And I know for a fact not all Ashari's insult Imam Ibn Taymiyya like you do, many respect him.
3) Jamaal al-Afghaani and Muhammad Abdu were mentioned by Shaikh Muqbil in the introduction to Saheeh al-Isnaad fi Dalaail anNubuwwah regarding their mistakes in affirming the mu'jizaat of prophethood as well as their being known as freemasons. So who calls them revivers, the Salafees or the Ash'aree Ikhwaanis? Correct yourselves and stop the tricks brothers.
2) A man who is ignorant of Allaah and does not believe Allaah is above the heavens is not fit to be a Wakil for a Sunni woman. Obviously he will be a Wakil for his own daughters. Is there a class you need to take to be a Wakil? Probably a few, starting with the fundamentals of this Deen, though do your best in the meantime.
Imaam Maalik replied to this question when he was asked "How did Allah make Istiwaa?" by his famous saying, al-Istiwaa Ma'loom (It'm meaning is known), as for it's Kayfiyyah (essence of how exactly) then is unknown, and asking about that is a bid'ah. He then had the questioner removed. Rather we affirm what Allaah affirmed without Kayfiyyah - or saying in this way or that way. WalHamdu Lillaah.
And how can someone ask such a question when Allaah described himself as being ليس كمثله شيء? How could I understand how Allaah rose above the heavens when there is none like Him and I am just one of his weak servants? Rather we say as Imaam ashShaafi'ee said, that we believe in what Allaah said, upon what Allaah intended in saying it. As for making Ta'teel of Allaah's attributes then you will never find a narration from the salaf disowning Allaah from His Sifaat as the Ash'arees do.
Raashid, why try to deceive the masses by saying Sunni woman?? When you really mean to say that whoever does not believe Allah to be physically over the heavens is not fit to be a Wakil for a Salafi woman. And that brother is a Maliki and and I am a Shafi'i. We know better what our Imams meant. So please stop quoting our Imams as if they agree with the deviated "Salafi" sect, while they have nothing to do with the "Salafis" daarimi, taymi, qayyimi perversions in creed!
The real question Mr. Salafi is where are we? According to deviant "Salafi" aqeedah the universe is inside of Allah and the essence of Allah is its container because He is outside of it and above it from every direction, surrounding and encompassing it from every side like IT said in his Majmu' al Fatawa:
والحاوي فوق المحوي
"And the container is above the contained."
Copy. Paste. Search=Find in Majmu' al Fatawa of Ibn Taymiyyah.
You want to reply after a week with some chasing the shadows type of answer, and after disabling my comments, khair Inshallaah. How far your answer is from what the Prophet may peace be upon him was pleased with from the Jaariyah, may Allaah be pleased with her. Who answered with all sincerity "في السماء" pointing to the sky. And we understand that to be affirmation of His highness, not affirmation of His being in any "makaan" or place whatsoever.
As for your quote then this is Imaam ibn Taimiyyah's quoting the Jahmiyyah in what they say of their principle of tanzeeh - which you have adopted - not something he affirms for Allaah.
فالجهمية القائلون بأنه بذاته في كل مكان، أو بأنه لا داخل العالم ولا خارجه، لا يصفونه بالعلو دون السفول. فإنه إذا كان في مكان فالأمكنة منها عال وسافل، فهو في العالي عال، وفي السافل سافل. بل إذا قالوا: إنه في كل مكان.
And look closely at that first Arabic quote of IT. He says, "The Jahmiyyah who say "Allah is everywhere" or say He's "not inside or outside of the world" didn't make Allah high instead of low, because He would be High in high places AND Low in low places."
I say to IT, If you claim He would have been High in high places and Low in low places according to Jahmi logic, BE FAIR, wouldn't He also be non existent if He were in a 'Non Existent" place according to your own illogical aqidah?
No, you lie. Do you even know Arabic? He is not quoting the Jahmiyyah here! SubhaanAllah! Why has your love for IT blinded you?? IT mentioned-not quoted-MENTIONED the Jahmiyyah saying- "THEY made all places above Him (Allah) in reality. BECAUSE A PLACE CONTAINS WHAT'S IN IT. AND A CONTAINER IS ABOVE WHAT IT CONTAINS."
So instead of making the world above Allah containing Him, Ibn Taymiyyah imagined Allah above the world, containing it. BLASPHEMY!!!!
Furthmore, Ibn Taymiyyah believes Allah is in a place. But since it is ugly to say Allah is in a creation, he innovated "Al Makaan al 'Adami" -"The non-existent place" and said that Allah is there. HE HAS NO SALAF TALKING ABOUT AL MAKAAN AL 'ADAMI!! Face it. Ibn Taymiyyah was a theological philosopher.
It's because of this "the container is above what it contains" aqeedah that Ibn Taymiyyah affirmed that if two people were pointing up at opposite sides of the earth they would both be literally pointing at Allah. He supported this belief by literally interpreting the name of Allah -Al Muheet- The Encompassing. But Allah even clarified in other Ayats mentioning encompassment that Allah encompasses everything in KNOWLEDGE not HIMSELF!
Ibn Taymiyyah=Blasphemous Deviant Innovating Theological Philosopher who has permanently urinated on the Hanbali Math-heb and attributed that to the Salaf! This is EXACTLY what Ibnul Jawzi Al Hanbali was trying to prevent happening to the Hanbali-Salafi-Athari methodology centuries before IT was born. If Ibnul Jawzi could see this he would have refuted IT with VOLUMES. If Umar ibn Al Khattaab RA saw IT's works, he would have beaten IT worse than he beat Sabeegh (or maybe even killed him!)
Believe like we and Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaa'ah believes: Allah exists, not in a place and not in a "non-existent place" (whatever that is?!). Time and place do not apply to Allah. He is their Creator and is not affected by or contained in either one of them, before or after creating them. He is now as He ever was-not in a place. And He is NOT a body nor does He have the qualities of bodies like physical contact and separation, size, shape, movement, stillness, surfaces or physical directions.
1) adh-Dhahabi if he said ردوا فيه أو طعنوا فيه بالحق و الباطل or similar to that then that means they refuted him with using truth as well as falsehood, not that their refutations were correct. adhDhahabi wrote al'Uluw and affirms the Aqeedah of the Salaf and that Allaah is in Highness. He was from the students of Ibn Taimiyyah and his creed and the creed of the Salaf are all one and the same. If you say otherwise, bring your sources instead of playing with words.
everything you said bout the ibn taymiyya is very accurate , but the things about jamaluldeen al afghanee and imam mohamed abdou , isn't .
imam abdou was a great scholar , even though he did have plenty of mistakes , but in some way he had a great influence in reviving islam in the hearts of the muslim people >
GOOD LUCK EXPOSING THE UGLINESS OG THE WAHABI MUBTADI'A SECT :-(
almostafa786: Sure, but not with you. You're just a random guy on YouTube. Anyone discussing Islamic stuff here would be an idiot. Go to your Imams and Ulema.
If you have a problem with Asharis having too much contact with the Mutazilites for having refuted them, there are the Maturidis.
He does'nt even source his claims. The only famous Hanbalis that embraced 'Ashari aqeedah were Ibn al-Jawzi and Ibn Hajar Al-Haythami (One of the first people to allow grave worship). Would someone like to mention how hellenistic roots (aka Greek Philosophy) and Harun Ar-Rashid's "Bayt Al-Hikma" led to the development of 'Ashari Aqeedah.
The brother is right I believe about Jamal ad-Din Afghani being a mason and corrupting this Salafi movement. with his anti-Madhab stance
However, Muhammad Ibn Wahhab, the founder of the movement was a sincere Muslim who respected all the Madhabs. So the original movement was pure but was later corrupted by Afghani and later the Saudis. Some even say Afghani was a Persian Shia who only called himself Afghani so people thought he was Sunni.
Just wanted to mention that Ibn Wahhab was sincere
May Allah reward those who arranged it and those who participated in it with Jannah.
And we sincerely ask Allah to increase the numbers, knowledge, and solidarity of Muslims adhering to Traditional Islam in our city of Philadelphia so that it can truly be a city of brotherly love.
We also pray that He cure Philly and the rest of the Muslim Ummah from the falsely-named "Salafi" methodology that teaches brotherly hatred.
Many are actually Sunnis, because they are just claiming a title and don't know about or believe in the false doctrines that the leaders of the "salafi" sect advocates. Others who actually believe that Allah has a huge body with limbs and moves and sits on and fills the throne and physically comes into the first heaven at night without the throne becoming empty of Him and that He could be carried on the back of a mosquito are DEVIANTS; whether or not they say "in a way that befits Him".
im from south philly but .Salafi is a Sunni Islamic movement that takes the pious ancestors (Salaf) of the patristic period of early Islam as exemplary models.
Everyone on this video, including myself, is from Philly. And we either 1. were salafis for years then left salafia after knowing its contradictions. Or 2. never joined it in the first place (like myself) b/c when we heard their leaders talk and compared their books in English and Arabic to true scholars, we saw their scholastic inadequacy, arrogance, and bad manners towards Muslims and non-Muslims that does not represent the Salaf at all. May Allah guide us all away from salafia to the TRUTH.
Sometimes I feel like I have to convince hundreds of thousands of people about this one by one. Dear brother in Islam, Inshaa Allah, I will soon be posting some videos on this topic alone that will remove doubts and clarify the truths they refuse to translate. Just be patient Inshaa Allah b/c I'm kinda busy. And continue to ask Allah for guidance and to better the situation of the Muslims in Philly and worldwide. As Salamu 'Alaikum.
These ignorant street walkers don't even know what's kuffr and what's not.
MuslimVlogGuy 1 month ago
Youve got to be joking ,these jahil and liars talking ill of ibn taymiyyah , akhi these guys chatting nonsense in the video are not even a dust worth of what ibn taymiyyah rahimuallah'utala did for the ummah
SalafiyyahUK 1 month ago
@SalafiyyahUK
LOL.. I thought the same thing. Barakh Allaahu Feek.
MuslimVlogGuy 1 month ago
imps of the shaitain
TheSavysister 6 months ago
@TheSavysister i agree with your description of salafis
AlMamluk 4 months ago
Salafi, Atharee, Ahl-ul Hadeeth, SUnni same thing if you dont FOLLOW the SALAF the my brother i dont know who you follow the TAbi'een Would refer to the Sahaabah as AHL-UL-Hadeeth
Ali Ibnul Madanee (d.228) (teacher of Imaam Bukhari) said concerning the hadeeth "There shall not cease to be a group from amongst my ummah apparent upon the truth those who oppose them will not able to harm them" "they are Ahlul Hadeeth" (Saheeh in Tirmidhee 4/485 adh Dhahabi in ad Deenaar p.63
NasirAlHanbali 1 year ago
@NasirAlHanbali saheeh akhi baraqallafeek
SalafiyyahUK 1 month ago
Adh-Dhahabi said in as-Siyar (13/380) "so that which the Haafidh is in need of is to be fearful of ALLAH Intelligent...SALAFI"
Imaam Adhahabi said in as-Siyar (16/457) about ad-Daaraqutnee "this man would never Enter in to 'ILM ul Kilaam nor Argumentation he would never delve deeply into that Rather, he was SALAFI"
Salafi is an Ascription to the SALAF (1st 3 generations of islaam) because the prophet (peace be upon him) said "the best is my generation then those after them then after them"
NasirAlHanbali 1 year ago
let me ask you a question why do you lie? be truthful you lie upon ibn taymiyyah and the salaf the Madhab of the salaf was take the text upon the apparant meanings and please my brother read Al ibaanah Usool Ud Diyaanah by abul hasan al Asharee he Affirms Allahs Sifaat and istawaa and for the KADHAAB who lied upon the salaf saying they never called them selves salafi and you are Quoting imaam Adh Dhahabi lets quote Dhahabi
NasirAlHanbali 1 year ago
this Brother speaking is a good man Masha Allah
omarabdullah 1 year ago
i thought he was akon
jihadulnafs 1 year ago
no salafi ulema considers muhammad abdu and afghani defends of anything except defenders of bidah , Sheikh Muqbil called them both this...this dude is a liar.
Randeezy72 2 years ago
i thought the salafi movement had no leader no clear founder other then the reformer muhammed abdul wahab, the whole point of the salafi dawah is to go back to basics, quran and sunnah even the names were created by others to label them, so people that say salafis belive this and that or that a certain scholar said god has hands and feet, that doesnt represent the salafi ideology but of that individual, there is no clear scholar like the four madhabs that outline do's and donts and theology.
crusadah 2 years ago
assalama lakim. where do i purchase the dvd..it seems very interesting. assalam lakim
abdulhaqqq 2 years ago
52nd st in phila
Randeezy72 2 years ago
I have to correct this.
The last guy who says that the supreme architect of the freemasons is God is wrong..their supreme architect is shaytaan...it's admitted....Perhaps the brother al afghani noticed that their "supreme architect" had some characteristics that weren't synonymous with Allah's characteristics.......
1FUNDAMENTALIST1 2 years ago
Salaam Alaikum. Sandal: Lets put some light on your confusion. When someone says the Jahmiyyah make Allaah to be contained within the creation, and that Allaah is actually made to be less than the creation, while the one who is responsible for this creation is more befitting to be above the creation, this is not by means of creating rules or confirming a term to be a Sifah, this is an intellectual refutation of a weak statement.
naashiralhaqq 2 years ago
When Shaikh Ibn Uthaimeen says The book al Furoo of Ibn Muflih is Haawee of the issues of Wiqaaf and Ikhtilaaf, the book is not above or below, this is not something that is part of anyones aqeedah or a rule, or even a literal statement. The opposite of what the Jahmiyyah claim of Allaah being in the earth is what Allaah confirms for Himself, and that can be understood by anyone following their fitrah and intellect. But what you probably somewhat know though lack comprehension of and
naashiralhaqq 2 years ago
pretend ignorance of is that Shaikh alIslams aqeedah is not alHawee fawq alMahwee. Rather he stands where the salaf stood and stops where the salaf stopped. But he showed the people of rhetoric who drank the falsehood of the greek philosophers into their hearts that the sound intellect confirms what the authentic narrations brought, and that there is no contradiction between the intellect and the texts. In contrast to the people of innovation making the salaf to be aslam
naashiralhaqq 2 years ago
or safer, while considering their madhab to be ahkam and alam, or having more wisdom and knowledge. Rather the manhaj of the salaf is Aslam and Alam and Ahkam, walHamdu Lillaah. So if Imaam arRaazee stated regarding the time period directly after Jahm spread doubt about Allaahs attributes from them His Uluww We met the Ulemaa of every region, from Hijaaz to Iraaq, to Egypt, Shaam and alYemen, and it was from their madhab:
naashiralhaqq 2 years ago
That Allaah is above his Arsh, Baain (separate) from his creation (Laalikaaee 1/198)., then Shaikh alIslam stopped there, and that is where we stop. We dont affirm a direction or negate one for there is ambiguity in this term and it wasnt affirmed or denied by them for that reason. But Allaahs Uluww or highness is affirmed by the Quraan and the Mustafeedh Sunnah. We say as Allaahs Messenger confirmed, Sal Allaahu Alayhi wa sallam, that Allaah is above the sky, as the Jaariyah said
naashiralhaqq 2 years ago
in the narration of Muslim when he asked her where is Allaah: Fi asSamaa, literally in the sky, meaning above the sky just as the Quraan also came with ((قسيحوا في الأرض)) meaning ((above the earth)), or (( و لأصلبنكم في جذوع النخل )) meaning ((above the palm trunk)), and as He, Jalla wa Azz Himself confirms, ((أ أمنتم من في السماء))
naashiralhaqq 2 years ago
meaning ((Or do you feel safe from the one who is above the sky)), and He says what means ((arRahmaan rose above His Arsh)), and the salaf are on absolute consensus of these verses affirming His Highness which is an attribute of Allaah Himsef as well as affirming His action of Istiwaa and considers whoever spoke about the Istiwaa with anything but what is known from the Arabic language about it an innovator. So ask yourself, Sandal, when you raise your hands in Dua, who do you raise them to?
naashiralhaqq 2 years ago
When you put your head on the ground and lower yourself headfirst, why is it that you say Glory be to the Most high? Because Allaah and His Messenger confirmed that He is in absolute highness. And the believers hearts are filled with Imaan with His attributes as they are in the Quraan and Sunnah, no matter how the people of sickness and Zaygh attempt to destroy this pure aqeedah and spread slander and deception. So if after this you are not able to return to the Sunnah as your forefathers
naashiralhaqq 2 years ago
did, from Imaam Abu alHasan who freed himself from his aqeedah of old in writing al-Ibaanah, which is clarification enough for anyone with sight and sound mind, and as alJuwainee, ar Raazee and others did before they departed this life, then take a book of Shaikh alIslaam and try to refute it word by word and you will realize that you cannot play games with the books of this man which the Muslim world has accepted in every land. Look at Shaikh alHarraas, from the greatest of the Azharee
naashiralhaqq 2 years ago
scholars, who decided to refute Ibn Taimiyyah then ended up writing his Doctorate entitled Ibn Taimiyah the Salafee in his defense instead.
May Allaah guide us and give us knowledge of his Deen, and burn the tongues of those who eat the flesh of the scholars. Oh Allaah show us the truth as being truth and the falsehood as being falsehood, and put distant from this Ummah the deceptions of those who lurk in hiding. Wallaahu Alam. Wa Sallallahu Ala Nabiyyina Muhammad.
naashiralhaqq 2 years ago
واحتج لها ببراهين ومقدمات وأمور لم يسبق إليها, وأطلق عبارات أحجم عنها الأولون والآخرون وهابوا , وجسر هو عليها حتى قام عليه خلق من علماء مصر والشام قياما لا مزيد عليه. أهـ
sandaltheashari 2 years ago
IT didn't stand or stop where the Salaf did. His student, Ath Thahabi, who knew him better than you and I said.
"And he argued to defend it (the true sunnah and way of the salaf as he saw it), with proofs and rules and things NO ONE SAID BEFORE HIM! AND HE SAID EXPRESSIONS THAT EVERYONE BEFORE AND AFTER HIM FEARED (TO SAY) AND REFRAINED FROM. BUT HE BOLDLY SAID THEM. Until a large body of scholars from Egypt and Syria most sternly confronted him."
sandaltheashari 2 years ago
Also, Ath Thahabi was a muhaddith and historian. He had voluminous works like "Siyar A'laamin Nubalaa" and "Tareekhul Islam" - the History of Islam. If anyone from the Salaf had preceded his teacher to these statements, he of all people would have known.
Read. Study. LEARN.
sandaltheashari 2 years ago
Salamualikum,
As for you I say, stop watching these haram hip hop music videos first, since thats all I see on your page. Or may be your scholars do not prohibit these things.
muwa7idnafs 2 years ago
Ibn Taymiyya translated the Quran and Hadith in there literal sense, the scholars of his time were many and there are many books written about what he used to say and teach. There were more than 60 different issues in which he deviated from, and thats why he was imprisoned by 4 judges from the 4 math`habs. He attributed to Allah a place, hands, a face ect. These statements have been well documented and are clearly rediculous!!1
deonna1216 2 years ago
Shaykh Albani(rh) had already exposed Jamal-al Afghanee for his freemasonry, so what are these brothers getting so hyped up about.
muwa7idnafs 2 years ago
The Ashari's have added a lot of fabrications to Imam al-Dhahabi(rh)'s books.
muwa7idnafs 2 years ago
In the name of Allah the Beneficent the Merciful, may peace and blessings be upon our master Muhammad and upon his Family and Companions.
As salaamu Ailakum
my dear brother muwa7idnafs please before you speak provide your evidence conjecture is not tolerated here when the ahlul-sunnah give you proof from a student of ibn tamiyyah you say the Ashari's ADDED FABRICATION IN THE BOOKs When the ahlul-Sunnah give you evidence from great imams the salafy's say such and such imam have misteaks
naasr 2 years ago
walaikumasalaam akhi,
How did you assume I was a salafi just because of that one statement. So if a person refers to Imam Ibn Taymiyya, he is not from Ahlus-sunnah is that what your telling me?
muwa7idnafs 2 years ago
In the name of Allah the Beneficent the Merciful, may peace and blessings be upon our master Muhammad and upon his Family and Companions.
As salaamu ailakum my dear brother why must we play these games no one on the face of the earth follows the aqeedah of ibn taymiyyah but salafy's if you want we can meet face to face and talk over these issues insha allah
naasr 2 years ago
walaikumasalaam,
what games brother?? I asked you a simple question and you did not answer. I know for a fact present day ashari's who respect Imam Ibn Taymiyya what would you say. Are they salafi's then acorrding to you. There are many non-salafis that know his status as a scholar. Stop living in denial.
muwa7idnafs 2 years ago
In the name of Allah the Beneficent the Merciful, may peace and blessings be upon our master Muhammad and upon his Family and Companions.
As salaamu Ailakum
um um um my dear brother muwa7idnafs i dont know about you ?..if ashari's scholars respected imam ibn taymiyyah or gave him credit in paticalar area's of his knowledge doesn't mean he did'nt make mistakes in his aqeedah serious mistakes which goes against the ijma (consensus) of all the scholars does that answer your question ahkie :)
naasr 2 years ago
insha allah my dear brother in islam i would like to invite you to dinner we can go out to a islamic resturant and talk about these issues like men and get a better understanding from both sides and still love each other for the pleasure of allah and your dinner is on me my brother lol smile ok insha allah let me know my name is naasr-ul-deen
naasr 2 years ago
I never had a question, neither does any one claim Imam Ibn Taymiyya was 100% right in every thing. Every one has mistakes. And the so called mistakes you refer to is just a bunch of exaggerations.
But important thing here is even many of his counterparts gave him credit and debated him on many aspects, but they never resorted to slander the way you do akhi.
muwa7idnafs 2 years ago
Despite the differences in Aqeeda with the Ashari's I still consider them my brothers in Islam but insulting some one of the caliber of Imam Ibn Taymiyya(rh) will not do any good to you and your Da'wah. And I know for a fact not all Ashari's insult Imam Ibn Taymiyya like you do, many respect him.
muwa7idnafs 2 years ago
3) Jamaal al-Afghaani and Muhammad Abdu were mentioned by Shaikh Muqbil in the introduction to Saheeh al-Isnaad fi Dalaail anNubuwwah regarding their mistakes in affirming the mu'jizaat of prophethood as well as their being known as freemasons. So who calls them revivers, the Salafees or the Ash'aree Ikhwaanis? Correct yourselves and stop the tricks brothers.
raashidgoyal 2 years ago
Comment removed
raashidgoyal 2 years ago
2) A man who is ignorant of Allaah and does not believe Allaah is above the heavens is not fit to be a Wakil for a Sunni woman. Obviously he will be a Wakil for his own daughters. Is there a class you need to take to be a Wakil? Probably a few, starting with the fundamentals of this Deen, though do your best in the meantime.
raashidgoyal 2 years ago
Define "above the heavens". What do you mean by this? That Allah is over there and that's where He's located?
sandaltheashari 2 years ago
Imaam Maalik replied to this question when he was asked "How did Allah make Istiwaa?" by his famous saying, al-Istiwaa Ma'loom (It'm meaning is known), as for it's Kayfiyyah (essence of how exactly) then is unknown, and asking about that is a bid'ah. He then had the questioner removed. Rather we affirm what Allaah affirmed without Kayfiyyah - or saying in this way or that way. WalHamdu Lillaah.
raashidgoyal 2 years ago
And how can someone ask such a question when Allaah described himself as being ليس كمثله شيء? How could I understand how Allaah rose above the heavens when there is none like Him and I am just one of his weak servants? Rather we say as Imaam ashShaafi'ee said, that we believe in what Allaah said, upon what Allaah intended in saying it. As for making Ta'teel of Allaah's attributes then you will never find a narration from the salaf disowning Allaah from His Sifaat as the Ash'arees do.
raashidgoyal 2 years ago
Raashid, why try to deceive the masses by saying Sunni woman?? When you really mean to say that whoever does not believe Allah to be physically over the heavens is not fit to be a Wakil for a Salafi woman. And that brother is a Maliki and and I am a Shafi'i. We know better what our Imams meant. So please stop quoting our Imams as if they agree with the deviated "Salafi" sect, while they have nothing to do with the "Salafis" daarimi, taymi, qayyimi perversions in creed!
sandaltheashari 2 years ago
Let's stop the deceiving right now. Where is Allaah? Can you answer that ?
raashidgoyal 2 years ago
To raashidgoyal:
The real question Mr. Salafi is where are we? According to deviant "Salafi" aqeedah the universe is inside of Allah and the essence of Allah is its container because He is outside of it and above it from every direction, surrounding and encompassing it from every side like IT said in his Majmu' al Fatawa:
والحاوي فوق المحوي
"And the container is above the contained."
Copy. Paste. Search=Find in Majmu' al Fatawa of Ibn Taymiyyah.
sandaltheashari 2 years ago
You want to reply after a week with some chasing the shadows type of answer, and after disabling my comments, khair Inshallaah. How far your answer is from what the Prophet may peace be upon him was pleased with from the Jaariyah, may Allaah be pleased with her. Who answered with all sincerity "في السماء" pointing to the sky. And we understand that to be affirmation of His highness, not affirmation of His being in any "makaan" or place whatsoever.
naashiralhaqq 2 years ago
As for your quote then this is Imaam ibn Taimiyyah's quoting the Jahmiyyah in what they say of their principle of tanzeeh - which you have adopted - not something he affirms for Allaah.
naashiralhaqq 2 years ago
فالجهمية القائلون بأنه بذاته في كل مكان، أو بأنه لا داخل العالم ولا خارجه، لا يصفونه بالعلو دون السفول. فإنه إذا كان في مكان فالأمكنة منها عال وسافل، فهو في العالي عال، وفي السافل سافل. بل إذا قالوا: إنه في كل مكان.
naashiralhaqq 2 years ago
فجعلوا الأمكنة كلها محال له، ظروفا وأوعية، جعلوها في الحقيقة أعلى منه. فإن المحل يحوي الحال، والظرف والوعاء يحوي المظروف الذي فيه، والحاوي فوق المحوي
naashiralhaqq 2 years ago
Why don't you translate this yourself. I would like to see how good your Arabic is.
sandaltheashari 2 years ago
And look closely at that first Arabic quote of IT. He says, "The Jahmiyyah who say "Allah is everywhere" or say He's "not inside or outside of the world" didn't make Allah high instead of low, because He would be High in high places AND Low in low places."
I say to IT, If you claim He would have been High in high places and Low in low places according to Jahmi logic, BE FAIR, wouldn't He also be non existent if He were in a 'Non Existent" place according to your own illogical aqidah?
sandaltheashari 2 years ago
No, you lie. Do you even know Arabic? He is not quoting the Jahmiyyah here! SubhaanAllah! Why has your love for IT blinded you?? IT mentioned-not quoted-MENTIONED the Jahmiyyah saying- "THEY made all places above Him (Allah) in reality. BECAUSE A PLACE CONTAINS WHAT'S IN IT. AND A CONTAINER IS ABOVE WHAT IT CONTAINS."
So instead of making the world above Allah containing Him, Ibn Taymiyyah imagined Allah above the world, containing it. BLASPHEMY!!!!
sandaltheashari 2 years ago
Furthmore, Ibn Taymiyyah believes Allah is in a place. But since it is ugly to say Allah is in a creation, he innovated "Al Makaan al 'Adami" -"The non-existent place" and said that Allah is there. HE HAS NO SALAF TALKING ABOUT AL MAKAAN AL 'ADAMI!! Face it. Ibn Taymiyyah was a theological philosopher.
sandaltheashari 2 years ago
It's because of this "the container is above what it contains" aqeedah that Ibn Taymiyyah affirmed that if two people were pointing up at opposite sides of the earth they would both be literally pointing at Allah. He supported this belief by literally interpreting the name of Allah -Al Muheet- The Encompassing. But Allah even clarified in other Ayats mentioning encompassment that Allah encompasses everything in KNOWLEDGE not HIMSELF!
See 18:91, 40:07, 65:12
Believe what ALLAH said, not IT!
sandaltheashari 2 years ago
Ibn Taymiyyah=Blasphemous Deviant Innovating Theological Philosopher who has permanently urinated on the Hanbali Math-heb and attributed that to the Salaf! This is EXACTLY what Ibnul Jawzi Al Hanbali was trying to prevent happening to the Hanbali-Salafi-Athari methodology centuries before IT was born. If Ibnul Jawzi could see this he would have refuted IT with VOLUMES. If Umar ibn Al Khattaab RA saw IT's works, he would have beaten IT worse than he beat Sabeegh (or maybe even killed him!)
sandaltheashari 2 years ago
Believe like we and Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaa'ah believes: Allah exists, not in a place and not in a "non-existent place" (whatever that is?!). Time and place do not apply to Allah. He is their Creator and is not affected by or contained in either one of them, before or after creating them. He is now as He ever was-not in a place. And He is NOT a body nor does He have the qualities of bodies like physical contact and separation, size, shape, movement, stillness, surfaces or physical directions.
sandaltheashari 2 years ago
1) adh-Dhahabi if he said ردوا فيه أو طعنوا فيه بالحق و الباطل or similar to that then that means they refuted him with using truth as well as falsehood, not that their refutations were correct. adhDhahabi wrote al'Uluw and affirms the Aqeedah of the Salaf and that Allaah is in Highness. He was from the students of Ibn Taimiyyah and his creed and the creed of the Salaf are all one and the same. If you say otherwise, bring your sources instead of playing with words.
raashidgoyal 2 years ago
May Allah guide you brothers to the truth Ameen !
# 1 Very misinformed
# 2 Speaking without knowledge
# 3 Slandering the Ulema
damaaj88 2 years ago
This is all dead on and reflects the views of 90% of the Muslim world, historically and currently. Allah bless them.
poorman79 2 years ago
those who believe what was said in this video have a lot to learn. these ppl are greatly misguided and misinformed. may allah guide us all.ameen
jihad68 2 years ago
God bless you brother >
everything you said bout the ibn taymiyya is very accurate , but the things about jamaluldeen al afghanee and imam mohamed abdou , isn't .
imam abdou was a great scholar , even though he did have plenty of mistakes , but in some way he had a great influence in reviving islam in the hearts of the muslim people >
GOOD LUCK EXPOSING THE UGLINESS OG THE WAHABI MUBTADI'A SECT :-(
96buzz69 3 years ago
Comment removed
96buzz69 3 years ago
almostafa786: Sure, but not with you. You're just a random guy on YouTube. Anyone discussing Islamic stuff here would be an idiot. Go to your Imams and Ulema.
If you have a problem with Asharis having too much contact with the Mutazilites for having refuted them, there are the Maturidis.
poorman79 3 years ago
As Salaamu Alykum,
He does'nt even source his claims. The only famous Hanbalis that embraced 'Ashari aqeedah were Ibn al-Jawzi and Ibn Hajar Al-Haythami (One of the first people to allow grave worship). Would someone like to mention how hellenistic roots (aka Greek Philosophy) and Harun Ar-Rashid's "Bayt Al-Hikma" led to the development of 'Ashari Aqeedah.
almostafa786 3 years ago
The brother is right I believe about Jamal ad-Din Afghani being a mason and corrupting this Salafi movement. with his anti-Madhab stance
However, Muhammad Ibn Wahhab, the founder of the movement was a sincere Muslim who respected all the Madhabs. So the original movement was pure but was later corrupted by Afghani and later the Saudis. Some even say Afghani was a Persian Shia who only called himself Afghani so people thought he was Sunni.
Just wanted to mention that Ibn Wahhab was sincere
tremills997 3 years ago
As Salamu 'alaikum.
May Allah reward those who arranged it and those who participated in it with Jannah.
And we sincerely ask Allah to increase the numbers, knowledge, and solidarity of Muslims adhering to Traditional Islam in our city of Philadelphia so that it can truly be a city of brotherly love.
We also pray that He cure Philly and the rest of the Muslim Ummah from the falsely-named "Salafi" methodology that teaches brotherly hatred.
Shukran for this.
Was Salamu 'Alaikum.
dellxps5000 3 years ago 2
we have the full video on sell you can contact me in my inbox for futher information
as salaamu ailakum
naasr 3 years ago
salaam alaikum im from philly but salafis are sunnis too
youngcoop25 2 years ago
Many are actually Sunnis, because they are just claiming a title and don't know about or believe in the false doctrines that the leaders of the "salafi" sect advocates. Others who actually believe that Allah has a huge body with limbs and moves and sits on and fills the throne and physically comes into the first heaven at night without the throne becoming empty of Him and that He could be carried on the back of a mosquito are DEVIANTS; whether or not they say "in a way that befits Him".
sandaltheashari 2 years ago
im from south philly but .Salafi is a Sunni Islamic movement that takes the pious ancestors (Salaf) of the patristic period of early Islam as exemplary models.
youngcoop25 2 years ago
Comment removed
sandaltheashari 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Everyone on this video, including myself, is from Philly. And we either 1. were salafis for years then left salafia after knowing its contradictions. Or 2. never joined it in the first place (like myself) b/c when we heard their leaders talk and compared their books in English and Arabic to true scholars, we saw their scholastic inadequacy, arrogance, and bad manners towards Muslims and non-Muslims that does not represent the Salaf at all. May Allah guide us all away from salafia to the TRUTH.
sandaltheashari 2 years ago
i saw you at poit breeze majid but can u tell me some of the contradictions?
youngcoop25 2 years ago
Sometimes I feel like I have to convince hundreds of thousands of people about this one by one. Dear brother in Islam, Inshaa Allah, I will soon be posting some videos on this topic alone that will remove doubts and clarify the truths they refuse to translate. Just be patient Inshaa Allah b/c I'm kinda busy. And continue to ask Allah for guidance and to better the situation of the Muslims in Philly and worldwide. As Salamu 'Alaikum.
sandaltheashari 2 years ago