I can't believe he just compared Atheism to Gay people, then again I can. I would like to say that although the Bible does have a strong stance against homosexuality, we are all under attack by Satan to do the wrong thing. If we entertain things that are suggestive of an objectivly wrong act, we can become a slave to it. One example being sexual practices that aren't healthy. Which could be any number of such acts, preformed by headosexual or otherwise.
Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation Despotism 2nd Dark Age until Bible is destroyed
even without religion this world is still fucked. You can't just rely on people doing the right thing because that's what they are supposed too. Have you seen world conditions...??
I find the unwillingness to make one's Atheist ideals known out fear to be a contemptible display of cowardice. Do not run from who you are, embrace it, and stand up for it.
my parents are muslim. They never pressurised me to be like them. The problem is, technically, for them, when i told them i didn't believe, i might as well have told them i'm going to hell. My mother cried days and night, and regularly tries to convince me to change my ways. The hardest cohercion into religion is actually the fear to be a deception for your family.
yes its hard to stand up to your parents beliefs systems. they feel threatened by the fact that you see things diffrently. they are afraid of change and afraid to question there own belief systems.
but stick to you own truth. this is how we make progress. believe only what you know in your heart to be true. dont believe something because your parents tell you that you should.
yes, a lot of people seem to be questioning religion lately. thats why you see all these novels about the subject recently. and thats why you see such religious fanatics lately as well, especially in the middle east.
they are afraid. they know that what they believe is hanging by a threat and they are fighting to hold onto it. they are afraid of change. they are afraid to question there own beliefs.
but things are changing, and nothing will stop it, its a natural progression.
Richard is wrong when he states that homosexuals are now better than before, discrimination have just been modernized worldwide and even racialize, he should go to an asylum seekers center and get the figures of deportation of homosexuals to countries like Iran, he should take a look at the rates of mistreatment homelessness and unemployment of homosexuals before making such an irresponsible statement.
Put it this way. Finding out that Christianity was false caused me depression, I actually thought about killing myself for a while. And for a long time I hated my parents for using tactics into making me believe it, e.g. church, fear of hell, praying etc. To my way of thinking, feeding our children religion IS child abuse. Saying "If you don't do this, you're going to hell" is no different to telling your children that there is a monster under their bed. Religion should be choice at right age.
I want to kill my family to force me into a religion...I'm still mad...I wish I knew how to decommunion myself out of the church and take my name off the church.
Right now I hope to shame my family and bring them eternal pain as they brought me. Revenge is what I learn from religion. Treat a person the same way you treat yourself. I treat myself in shame and suffering. I will do the same to my family.
Religion should all die (Not the people, but the religion itself)
Dawkins has his OWN religion. His religion just happens to be Atheism. Religion is just a set of beliefs. Hypocrisy & false teachings by parents & some churches causes confusion & anger. Those who do this will have to answer to God for it. There's an emptiness in so many...a hole they can't fill with partying,anger,sex OR religion. It can cover it for a while but only God can fill it. Salvation is & ALWAYS has been a choice. If you seek the truth you WILL find it. Jesus Frees♥
@Asurething100 I am stunned by your stupidity. Atheism is a religion? I might accept it as a religion, but it would be the only good religion whom does not pray violence against any other living being on this planet, simply because they have a diffirent view on life. Atheism encourages you to think rational. Its easy to tell a kid a fairytale and make him believe it, but its a whole diffirent story to tell a kid that religion only wants to raise a pseudocracy.
@magictouch115 ". Its easy to tell a kid a fairytale and make him believe it, but its a whole diffirent story to tell a kid that religion only wants to raise a pseudocracy."
I dont know, it seems in both instances you are telling the kid what to beleive.
@ikcjjtt (Sarcasm ON) Yes you're right, religion never tried to take control over countries or groups of people, and never bend the truth for the citizens! (Sarcasm OFF) Why should one not tell the truth? Look back at all those past years, let us take a look at the Spanish inquisition, or the crusades. See a remarable link between the two? I do. Its called religion.
@magictouch115 um... u got the wrong guy. on this video i wanted to argue how and why is religion child abuse. Though about the topic you are on, i just got through debating with a guy over similiar stuff but the "remarkable" link i found out was that they were all white and of European decent. so my question to you is it race, religion, creed, descent, nationality, bigotry, culture, socialization, or something else entirely? Because history shows us that war is complex and caues cant be-
@magictouch115 simplified in one word. Violence by its self is a complex issue spanning over biological, phychological, psyilogical, socialogical,genetic,neurological, and environmental factors. You wont hear people arguing over one-worded over simplifications solution to the worlds issues in a college classroom. It works for highschool though.
@Asurething100 Your religion is chaining you to a narrow world view, where you even think of the complete and utter absence of religion as a form of religion.
Religion has never freed anyone from anything, all it's ever done was impose additional laws upon people and the only way it could do this was through fear. Christians even say it about themselves "I am a decent God fearing person", well I too am a decent person, but I don't need to fear some made up being to be a decent person.
I love you Dawkins but you didn't really answer the question. She sounded like she was talking about an individual stuck in a religious family and what they should do. You talked about getting society to change etc. I agree with that as a goal but that doesn't really help anyone still under their parents control who is forced to believe these things against their will.
One of the best days of my life was when I renounced the Christian church entirely, starting with scratching my name from the register of my mother's church!
@thickhead11 Religion teaches children (and everyone) that they must think "X" or else they will BURN in HELL for ETERNITY (at worst) or they will face some lesser punishment for committing thought-crime (at best).
well yes I agree that it wrong to try use scare tactics like hell as a method of controlling people particularly children. That is actually very very unhealthy in my opinion and I would never condone anyone warning children of hell
I guess I just took what he was saying as not indoctrinate your children with your religion. Which doesn't seem possible to me particular cuz children are SO dependent on their parents and cuz religion requires lifestyle changes. Like how would Amish parents do this?
this typical of modern ethics. Always trying to disentangle ourselves from our own engagements. Thinking that no one should have to suffer for our convictions There is nothing wrong with others suffering for our convictions the question is are our convictions worth suffering for. Dawkins is a smart scientists but doesn't see how flawed his proposal is. u can't do ethics based on freedom and autonomy. Values are always derived from a community I respect dawkins but hes way off the mark this timw
This is bizarre way of doing ethics. Really stop and try to imagine parents that try and raise their children with giving them the ability to choose what they think on everything. The goal being to raise autonomous independent individual that are 'free' to choose for themselves. Its not fucking possible. You can't describe a relationship between a parent and a children in strict terms of objective non-interefernce. It would be relating to our children as strangers? not possible
@thickhead11 not at all. ALL he is talking about here is RELIGION. one could give their child religious education without compelling adherence to a particular faith. Simply teach your children the facts about the world's many religions and then allow them to choose for themselves. why not? (by the way you got the source of ethics right : It came from COMMUNITY, not from god - Dawkins would agree with that)
@hardinmichael1981 what I mean to say is that your proposal to present facts about all world religions to your child unbiasedly is not possible insofar as we care about anything at all. The idea that the the most moral position is to create free autonomous individuals is simply ridiculous way to look at human relations. I am all for communitys that encourage freedom of thought and critical thinking but the proposed of childrens right to choose for themselves just seems to be silly to me.
@hardinmichael1981 the very existence of this child started from you robbing them the right to choose. you didn't ask them if they wanted to exist you didn't offer them the option of not existing. you forced them into existence and robbed them of their freedom of choice from their very conception. The very nature of being a child (and a human) means being dependent on others. How could propose the idea of an idependent, autonomous, free thinking child??
@hardinmichael1981 I guess all Im trying to get at is that we (humans) are much more bound to each other than this. We are connected to each other. We are bound to eachother in a way that mutually limits both of our lives.
Children must be taught how to tell the truth, they must be taught how to be honest. Not be raised by parents who decide its best that they make up their own mind about what they think truth is.
I dunno we may be talking right past eachother. Let me know
@thickhead11 children do have an innate sense of morality. (read up on psychology) it's not perfect, but who's is? of course it's the parents' job to help develop that. what's wrong with teaching children to make up their own mind BASED ON EVIDENCE? (OBVIOUSLY this CAN'T apply to EVERYTHING. Ex: "Look both ways before crossing the street.") our (inter)-dependence upon each other is not ABSOLUTE. talking about absolutes is a non-sequitur. Education is teaching HOW to think not (just) WHAT.
@hardinmichael19 when it comes to letting children make up their own minds I guess my question is where do you draw the line. Do you let children make up their own minds when it comes to when they should go to bed? Do you let children make up their own minds when it comes to what is right or wrong? What is so special about religion that it alone is the one thing that children should be allowed to choose? Again I encourage free thought and questioning but why just religion?
we let children decide what religion they think is the best then we should certainly let them decide on other important decisions as well. Like they should be able to decide what they think is right or wrong. Why do we rob children of the freedom to make their own moral judgments? Surely this is indoctrination.
I agree that education is best done when we encourage and inspire others to think and not just tell them exactly what to think, but the autonomy that dawkins suggests is crazy
being part of a family is not a voluntary undertaking. As such, when one is part of a family, the kinds of responsibilities each member holds are in relation to each other.u have a duty to ur children, because the role of parent is to ensure the children are brought up in a way that is conducive to the community’s values. Thus, the issue with “rights” language is that it attempts to prevent maltreatment of individuals to the point of exclusion of familial and communal responsibility
@hardinmichael1981bottom line is that there can be no real society if its members only relate in terms of noninterference. The language of rights can destroy society because we regard people as strangers instead of assuming the responsibility towards them as family and members of the community that we share. Again values are only derived from community and cannot exist outside of that. Autonomy does not produce moral agents. Religion is not some special exception to this.
@thickhead11 USE COMMON SENSE. There are no absolutes. there is no such thing as absolute freedom or absolute autonomy or absolute ANYTHING. You are putting words/ideas/concepts into Dawkins' mouth that he does not in fact state or even imply. It seems that you are going out of your way to try to misunderstand. there is no contradiction b/w freedom and community b/c freedom does not rule out cooperation any more than community destroys individuality. USE COMMON SENSE. HOW HARD IS THAT?
@thickhead11 EVERYTHING you have been arguing is a NON-SEQUITUR. It has nothing to do with Dawkins' arguments. Are trying to be deliberately obtuse? It's like asking: "Well, if we allow gay marriage then we should ALSO allow pigs and horses to get married." IT DOES NOT FOLLW. USE YOUR OWN BRAIN. I"m DONE with this.
@hardinmichael1981 id only be interested hear ur answer to my question of why just religion? Why not other things as well? What is unique about religion? Not trying to prove a point but genuinely interested in an answer.
I mean i just wouldn't expect a jew to teach their kids about islam and Buddhism it just seems unnatural.
n I kinda feel like saying there are no absolutes is itself an absolute. Sorry this couldnt have been more productive.
@thickhead11 Anyway, his main objection is to the LABELING of children with their parents' religion. There are not Christian Children or Muslim Children any more than there are Republican Children or Liberal Children. They are too young to know what they think about things. It is fine to teach your children what YOU think about things as long as you say this is what YOU think about things and not what the child MUST think as well.
@thickhead11 Why not other things? Go ahead. Why not just be HONEST to children about almost everything (here are the key words) W/IN REASON & W/ COMMON SENSE & W/IN THE LAW. You can draw the line where ever you think it's appropriate. again with the stipulations I've mentioned (which shouldn't even NEED mentioning). You seem to live up to your user name. (no offense intended) Now, go out & think for yourself.
@hardinmichael1981 i agree that forcing ur kids to be ur religion is wrong, but I guess I took it differently in the beginning. Like saying forcing ur kids to go to church is child abuse seemed just as ridiculous to me as saying forcing ur kids to eat their vegetables and telling them to go to bed is child abuse.
ur last comment seemed to come off as a bit pretentious. I do think for myself..thanks. you've obviously completely pitted me against you from like the 2nd comment.
Psychiatrists and sociologists from all around the world need to seriously research and analyze that mysterious and monstrous thing called religion,that seems to be the most influential belief system on planet earth and release their findings to the public so people can become more aware and understand this complex problem and those that are inflicted, turn from it's ill effects.
Forcing children to go to church, read the bible, when they are so vulnerable to believe ANYTHING you tell him, is child abuse - it is to take advantage of his autonomy.
@TheSchemer1 if parents tell their children santa claus is real and they force their child to read a book about him... the child will believe he exists. If they tell their child ponies exist, the child will believe it. At that age they're very vulnerable, so children can be initiated into just about ANYTHING and into believing ANYTHING.
@magicelliotth I see your point and it is a valid one. But, forcing children to go to school will prepare them to enter society with a degree, which they can use to support themselves and their families financially. Imagine if no child was ever forced to go to school - how would lawyers, university professors, doctors, software engineers, etc, ever learn the knowledge they need to do their jobs? Seriously, tell a child "Santa Claus is real" and he'll believe you.
@magicelliotth tell a child "if you don't go to sleep early a monster will come out of your closet." If you tell a child stealing is always right he'll believe you and will steal. Forcing religious beliefs in children is _______ .
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The teachings of this man lead down the road to HELL please turn to the Lord Jesus Christ who ALONE has the authority to forgive your sins and save you...please before it is too late.
I'm glad my parents didn't bring me up with religion. I'm Atheist and my mum is fine with it (she's a Deist). It's sad when families bring up children with religion and scare them by telling them they will go to Hell if they are gay. How ridiculous! It's so mean.
Well since atheists are the primary advocates of killing six million babies every US Presidential term we allow legal abortion by Planned Parenthood nazis, it would seem to me you're outrageously hypocritical to make hate speeches accusing people of child abuse when you atheists are guilty of mass infanticide.
How did you work out "Atheism=pro-abortion"? That is a lie(read: sin)!
I know PLENTY non-believers who are atheist!
In fact, it will not confuse me if Atheists are more pro-life than Christians! Only DIFFERENCE would be that when atheists protest against abortion, they don't drag in pictures of Jesus or bible quotes!(A book that really is NOT pro-life)
Religion is a cancer that prays upon the minds of helpless children. Religion is the result of child abuse. Parents use their child's natural yearning for goodness to install their deluded bigotry. This is corrupt to the highest degree and sicking. These people need to be called out on this.
Dawkins philosophy is ignorance. What really gets under my skin is a man or woman trying to tell parents how to raise their kids. If they give them direction in life the child can make their minds up as they get older. I was raised in a belief of a God. When i became older i understood i had my own choice and i did. I did not follow after my familys belief, but i followed after what i personally thought.
What "choice" is there when the parents indoctrinate the children and tell them what to think and how to think?
It isn't "free thought" anymore.
The only reason I am not religious right now is because my father mostly kept his faith to himself. Had he given me a religious upbringing then I would be religious now, guaranteed!
@Hjernespreng ----- Let me explain, I do not know your dad and how he was but i am sure he was a nice man for you to follow his thoughts on religion. Personally, i do not force my children to pray or read their bible. They make their own choice. I show Christ through my actions and i believe "actions speaks louder than words," As a dad i am going to raise my children up to be excellant citizens of society and hopefully because of my love for them they live and do right.
There is a difference between that and telling your children that they deserve to burn in hell forever and that only Jesus can save them*repeat that multiple times through childhood*
@Hjernespreng --- Yes, i agree and i have never said that. My children hear more about Gods Love . See, your right in forcing children is totally wrong, Jesus said "Let the little children come unto me" no one should force them they should want too. Again, i would be a terrible father if i did not give my children values. Even if i was an atheist i would still teach bible ethics. We cannot disagree on that, because it has wonderful ethics. Again, if you teach your children to Love that is good.
I can't exactly say "wonderful ethics" about a book that condones child rape, slaying of heretics and heretic family members, stoning of "witches" and homosexuals, killing rebellious children, genocide, incest, slavery, slave abuse, killing fortune tellers, killing children who "curse" their parents, genocide of non-believers, murder of non-virgin first time married women, racism.
@Hjernespreng The bible holds storys of people not what God made people do. For example our history books are filled with blood tears and pain, but should we throw them away. There are also good ethical books that can be learned from.
Now, if man has no Law and goes and kills your family i am sure you would want justice for your family. This is what God did. All the things you said above is really what man does not what God does.
@Deloa7Armando No. It is prop full of stories about horrible injustices done WITH god's consent and/or direct command(sometime he even does it himself).
Now, of course, I don't believe god commanded those things. Why? I don't believe he exists. People simply used an imaginary character to justify their inhuman actions. But it is still being passed off as "truth" and "god's will".
@Hjernespreng -- Friend weather you believe Him or not is not really the point. Our society is without morals and standard because of man doing there own thing. Rape, Murdering, etc. these are just two things out of many things that cause people to hurt themselves. Now, people can say all day i am an atheist all they want and say there is no God. That is fine, but reality there are more science for God than there is against. So, no matter what if your not going to stand than don't but i know.
A god commanding child rape and genocide! And you keep insisting that he is oh so moral? There are absolutely no "morals" to "learn" from your god. And whatever "good things" were thaught, it was already taught long before.
Also, there is ZERO "science for god"! Not One bit! Nothing, nix, nada, zip, zilch!
@Hjernespreng --- You are really wrong in your opinion. Let me ask you a question, Who tells men and Woman to rape and kill today ? God? That is a moral society you understand? There are morals and good things that the Bible has, which men try to destroy, but have failed. Let me tell you this also watch the next few years watch the United State go down. Not because of God's Morals, but because of Man.
I'm talking about GOD'S commands to kill, rape and massacre!
That is NOT "man's attempt to destroy morals". No, it is THE WORD OF GOD! Black on white right there in your precious bible! It lays in the parts they never show kids in Sunday school!
HITLER had some "moral" and "good" orders and rules. Did that make him a good person?
NO!
It is the EXACT same thing here!
You blindly follow your fhurer and ignore the commands you don't like!
Hell, if you want me to then I can give you citing for EACH immoral act done and endorsed by your god! All from the BIBLE itself!
I'm NOT "opinionated" when it comes to WHAT the bible actually has written in it! How can I be, and how can you be? It is right there in black and white!
So do you want me to show you the actual content of the book you praise or are you just going to ignore everything and continue to PRETEND that the Bible is some infallible moral guide?
@Hjernespreng ---- Let me explain something too you again, obviously your not paying attention to what i am saying. God never commanded to "RAPE" or "KILL" You won't read that . You can show me all you want. God intentions were to create a people to Love him . Man went the wrong way. Also, friend There are two Laws one OT and one NT, but i am sure you know all things.
Yes, you DO have command to kill BY god in the bible! Don't even get me started! And "god given laws" consent to rape! And commands to rape were given god's consent!
Please do TELL how god intended to "make people love him" by consenting to have a city slaughtered and the virgin girls RAPED!
OT and NT?
You know what the problem with your argument is?
You, and the rest of Christians, NEVER specify WHAT laws from OT that "don't matter anymore!
I don't NEED to be "all knowing"! I have simply READ THE DAMNED BOOK without some telling me exactly what parts to read!
It is a despicable and vile collection of gruesome acts commanded and consented by the god in it!
You know what is funny?
Atheists/agnostics generally know more about the bible than followers from ALL brands Christianity! And more atheists have actually READ the bible than Christians!
@Hjernespreng you get so offensive it's funny. Our american History books have lied to us and our Professors who claim to be the men of knowledge have lied too us. I will tell you this again men do evil deeds and kill and rape and destroy. God from the OT stood for righteousness no matter what you think. So, God cleaned house just like we do in our court system except there is no righteous judge.
@Hjernespreng === Okay now your just being ridiculous, where in any of my conversation did i say "Child Rape" is righteouss? this is the problem with you atheist who say you don't believe in anything. Your ignorant statements tell alot about you. You agree with mans lies and ability to lie hence no moral thoughts. I live under a Law that God gave and so do you. You just can't admit it. "Thou shalt not Kill!!!!" familiar?
@Hjernespreng When my children turn 18 they then make the choice to follow God of course until then they have to be with me or with their mom. Responsible parents do not leave their children alone. So my love will over come their thoughts and as long as i am a good father i think they will make their own choice on what to do. Whatever choice it is i will still LOVE them as a dad. That will never change.
Actually, Dawkins is being hypocritical on the "christian child" issue. What if one of HIS children came home one day and said, "Dad, today I received Jesus Christ as my personal Savior!" This man sponsors atheist summer camps, and his own kid converts?
Oh yeah, He would be on that kid like a duck on a junebug.
Dawkins is right when he says "there is no such thing as a christian child." One of the hallmarks of true Christianity is that it is a decision that each person makes for himself. That is why the young man was wisely asked to write down his objections to going through the confirmation ceremony. He needs to be able to think through it, and make sure he is not merely using religion as a weapon in some sort of teen angst battle against his parents and other authority.
@AmosPressley "...a decision that each person makes for himself." We simply do not know enough about the human mind yet for you to make that claim. It's an extreme oversimplification of the zounds of contributing factors (including parental and societal influences among others) that go into a person's decision to claim a religious faith. There is no such thing as a purely "personally independent" decision when it comes to faith....one of many dynamics the human authors of the bible missed
@machesterman83 I am not speaking as an expert in the human mind. As you correctly said, it is a complex cocktail of factors. It is even more complex when one adds a belief that Man is a spiritual being, a soul that inhabits a body.
Instead, I am speaking as one knowledgeable in Christian doctrine. There is indeed no such thing as a "Christian child." Dawkins' answer is close to the new Testament.
We all know he would be hypocritical with a child who was "born again" from an atheist home.
After three marriages and two divorces, one can only hope he has learned a little something about how to get along in the family way.
Gapanlilio33, Juliet Emma Dawkins is his only legitimate child, borne by his second wife. I am curious, did he take much interest in you as an illegitimate child? Were you invited to family functions? How did your praise for him as a Dad come about?
The problem is that people should learn to have values and morals which spread harmony and impart it to their children - like love you parents and take care of them, true love before sex, love nature and all creations, don't build to destroy nature, dont be greedy, etc. Under which "brand name" or religion they go is not to be worried about. Values and understanding should become a part of the family and not just imparted in the places of worship. Atheism is very similar to ancient Hinduism.
@KuntOut Gives freedom to worship who you like and respect. Thru a mode of worship, it educated people how trees and animals are important to maintain balance in the ecosystem, thus worship them. In your guest n neighbour is God, In your parents and all humans and animals and trees is God, so respect them. Scriptures say that God is not manifested in a form like many believe, but the intellectuals understand that it is the energy that runs thru everything. So u see no prophet, it was a system.
@AbStar921 As a very young child I want to a church of England school and they taught us that jesus was real, I was just really confused then when realised there was something other than religion that made sence so I turned Atheist then. I was angry when I was that young at my school because they didnt give me the choice, I was just forced.
any atheist who supposes to abduct children on the grounds of "child abuse by religion" will find himself believing in God a lot quicker than he otherwise would.
Especially telling a child while growing up that they’ve gotta drain some of their blood to offer to idols & graven images, chanting demonic phrases & letting demonic forces control - REAL child abuse!
The Bible does not specifically say anything about child abuse. There is no record of a single instance in the Bible where a child is being abused. What the Bible does tell us is this: Children have a special place in G-d’s heart and anyone who harms a child is inviting G-d’s wrath upon Him. Jesus welcomed little children to His side, blessed them, and said that the Kingdom of G-d belongs to those such as them.
"...whoso shall OFFEND one of these little ones which believe in Me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."
(It'd be much better to DTROWN like that than face G-d's Judging throne. Because ANYONE who destroys a child's faith in Jesus is in BIG trouble. Not an angry protest, but a warning with love.)
"Lo, children are a HERITAGE of the LORD, and the fruit of the womb is His reward."
(Psalm 115:13-15)
"He will bless them that fear the LORD, both small and great. The LORD shall increase you more and more, you and your children. Ye are blessed by the LORD who made heaven and earth."
The only problem with this entire speech is that it presupposes an absolute moral standard. And the only problem with presupposing an absolute moral standard is that hes spent his life arguing against it.
Try coming out as...anything...to an Atheist father and an Agnostic mother. One of my best friends did this a few years ago. What he got was a lecture about how he was stupid, etc.
My point being that this isn't a phenomenon limited to very religious people.
@Axion444 Try coming out as anything to a muslim family, theyll probably kill you, a christian family would probably try to get you exorcised. an atheist family you'd probably have a discussion on why they think your belief might be wrong. i think society would be better off with the third example as the norm
@flipperboy I find that quite funny, because my parents have yet to try to exorcise me for being an Agnostic. I was raised maybe one step up from the snake-handling people on the crazy meter, and they've yet to do anything but get a little preachy every now and then.
Personally, I think it's because my parents love me more than they love puffing up their own egos and beliefs. My friend, at least in his dad's case, hasn't faired so well.
@Axion444 ye ppl will be dicks whatever their beliefs are. but ye the worst an "extreme atheist" parent would probably do is disown you which is alot better than the most "extreme muslim" parent would do
@Axion444 No but it is much more unheard of for an Atheist or Agnostic parent to go a little crazy if their child disagree's with them, or takes on views different to theirs but there are a enough exapmles of religious parents over reacting to put it simply.
I am so glad I have the loving parents I have. They will except my beliefs no matter what. I am currently a agnostic Deist. I just can't seem to get over the idea of a Creator. oh well. I am young I have alot to learn.
re·li·gion /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Show Spelled[ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
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a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
Nope, but it would include any set of beliefs concerning case, nature and the purpose of the universe. I believe here the definition means all have to be involved. Certainly Christianity would fall under that, along with rituals and holy orders.
@Ebuverthebicepcurler Very very true. It is no coincidence that fundamental christianity has risen during a time of aggressive wars against Vietnam and Iraq, that achieved nothing and killed millions.
@Ebuverthebicepcurler answer this for me , Where is the physical proof that the Big Bang theory is correct, if we can't see it or hear it then how can people say that 13-14 billion years ago Nothingness became the universe. so nothing bacame something, that basically sounds like a God created the universe.
@communismkills1 "Where is the physical proof that the Big Bang theory is correct" I'm no scientist, but part of the evidence is Cosmic microwave background radiation. "Nothingness became the universe. so nothing bacame something, that basically sounds like a God created the universe.: I believe the theory is the universe was created spontaneously, something to do with quantum-physics. I don't know theory well, but it certainly has nothing to do with god, as no intelligence is involved
@Ebuverthebicepcurler i still dont see any physical proof, dont tell me next athiest will believe in tooth fairies, there is no intelligence involved, how can people be "rational" when they believe nothingness became something, also dna is so complex that it would take intelligent design to create that, you have nothing in the universe that is like dna, what are primetive bacteria's ancestors? was it a rock or gases that evolved into bacteria then eventually evolving into humans
@Ebuverthebicepcurler Scientists have so many holes in their theories, that its so laughable. Remember Darwin said Survival of the fittest so that means if 100 people are getting in my way i can kill them and its not my fault because they were too weak to survive, a child molester would not be a perverted monster because one persons moral is different from another, so then i can rape anyone and then i would say im not evil im Athiest , God = morals No god = human made morals
@communismkills1 No, Scientists don't have many holes in their theories. If they did, they would not not be accepted by by other scientists.
It's the bible for which there is no evidence, other than itself.
You are confusing the scientific method of investigation with the christian "method."
Also any morality that has to be imposed on a person from an outside authority is a very weak one and not to be trusted. Morality must come from within or it's rubbish.
You start with a theory. You search for evidence by testing to confirm the theory.
If the evidence contradicts it, then the theory is rejected.
If it seems to confirm it, is published with all the data and independent scientists try to replicate the tests. If the results are confirmed, it is then accepted as fact.
If counter evidence surfaces later it is again fully re-examined and if the counter evidence proves accurate, the theory is rejected.
You start with a belief. You accept it as fact. You then search for evidence, in religious teachings, to confirm that belief.
Anything that contradicts it is either dismissed as false, or twisted to fit the belief. However, anything, no matter how flimsy or dubious, that seems to confirm it, is accepted immediately, without question or further investigation.
The belief is then declared to be true for all time, and the faithful must never question it.
@watahalfwhole you cant handle the truth so you resort to insults lol im 14 and your insulting me lol, i wonder how old you are, 10? probable not since vast majority of athiest i have seen are older 35+, how does it feel buddy you're most likely an older guy insulting a young guy, its pathetic, i would say state your debate/argument but you are clearly too mature for that, ah im glad you insulted me instead of writing something long, later human being that is most likely and old guy....
Being a Christian for my whole life, I have to say I am far more comfortable with the ideas and theologies expressed in this tripe, than the evil, ignorant and prejudiced ways of the modern Holy Bible. If this is truly the way "God" has made things for us I would much rather burn in a lake of fire for all of eternity, than to spend one second in the presence of such true evil. I think deep down... we all know that Christianity cannot possibly be correct because "God" would not be so cruel.
See this is what pisses me off about the religious mind. You think you know what 'God' would be like, even though you have no more proof than anyone else.
I can't believe he just compared Atheism to Gay people, then again I can. I would like to say that although the Bible does have a strong stance against homosexuality, we are all under attack by Satan to do the wrong thing. If we entertain things that are suggestive of an objectivly wrong act, we can become a slave to it. One example being sexual practices that aren't healthy. Which could be any number of such acts, preformed by headosexual or otherwise.
vbirdieb 4 months ago
@vbirdieb
Please prove Satan actually exists, and explain "objectively wrong act".
jursamaj 4 months ago
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Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation Despotism 2nd Dark Age until Bible is destroyed
SpencerBenedict2nd 4 months ago
even without religion this world is still fucked. You can't just rely on people doing the right thing because that's what they are supposed too. Have you seen world conditions...??
201stars 4 months ago
I find the unwillingness to make one's Atheist ideals known out fear to be a contemptible display of cowardice. Do not run from who you are, embrace it, and stand up for it.
Plagueis1017 6 months ago
@Plagueis1017
Atheists who hide it aren't running from who they are, but from the kind of contempt, and even violence, that can come from saying it out loud.
jursamaj 4 months ago
I know some teenage girls who would say that Justin Bieber is my hero, but Richard Dawkins is my hero. <3
furanelle 7 months ago 16
my parents are muslim. They never pressurised me to be like them. The problem is, technically, for them, when i told them i didn't believe, i might as well have told them i'm going to hell. My mother cried days and night, and regularly tries to convince me to change my ways. The hardest cohercion into religion is actually the fear to be a deception for your family.
loosfoos 7 months ago
@loosfoos
yes its hard to stand up to your parents beliefs systems. they feel threatened by the fact that you see things diffrently. they are afraid of change and afraid to question there own belief systems.
but stick to you own truth. this is how we make progress. believe only what you know in your heart to be true. dont believe something because your parents tell you that you should.
beliefs change. your own inner truth nevers does.
LadyScorpio39 7 months ago
religion is poisoning humanity.
its the biggest disease in society and it is passed from parent to child like a birth defect!!!
LadyScorpio39 8 months ago 14
@LadyScorpio39 I had that exact thought the other day and it resonated so deeply and saddened me so much that I wrote it down.
FM897 7 months ago
@FM897
yes, a lot of people seem to be questioning religion lately. thats why you see all these novels about the subject recently. and thats why you see such religious fanatics lately as well, especially in the middle east.
they are afraid. they know that what they believe is hanging by a threat and they are fighting to hold onto it. they are afraid of change. they are afraid to question there own beliefs.
but things are changing, and nothing will stop it, its a natural progression.
LadyScorpio39 7 months ago
Richard is wrong when he states that homosexuals are now better than before, discrimination have just been modernized worldwide and even racialize, he should go to an asylum seekers center and get the figures of deportation of homosexuals to countries like Iran, he should take a look at the rates of mistreatment homelessness and unemployment of homosexuals before making such an irresponsible statement.
JMFVECU 8 months ago
Put it this way. Finding out that Christianity was false caused me depression, I actually thought about killing myself for a while. And for a long time I hated my parents for using tactics into making me believe it, e.g. church, fear of hell, praying etc. To my way of thinking, feeding our children religion IS child abuse. Saying "If you don't do this, you're going to hell" is no different to telling your children that there is a monster under their bed. Religion should be choice at right age.
MrShineSilver 8 months ago
I want to kill my family to force me into a religion...I'm still mad...I wish I knew how to decommunion myself out of the church and take my name off the church.
Right now I hope to shame my family and bring them eternal pain as they brought me. Revenge is what I learn from religion. Treat a person the same way you treat yourself. I treat myself in shame and suffering. I will do the same to my family.
Religion should all die (Not the people, but the religion itself)
killerboyfoolz 9 months ago
Dawkins has his OWN religion. His religion just happens to be Atheism. Religion is just a set of beliefs. Hypocrisy & false teachings by parents & some churches causes confusion & anger. Those who do this will have to answer to God for it. There's an emptiness in so many...a hole they can't fill with partying,anger,sex OR religion. It can cover it for a while but only God can fill it. Salvation is & ALWAYS has been a choice. If you seek the truth you WILL find it. Jesus Frees♥
Asurething100 11 months ago
@Asurething100 "Saying that atheism is a religion is saying that bald is a hair colour"
mainmenu895 10 months ago
@mainmenu895 I agree with you, sir.
magictouch115 10 months ago
@Asurething100 I am stunned by your stupidity. Atheism is a religion? I might accept it as a religion, but it would be the only good religion whom does not pray violence against any other living being on this planet, simply because they have a diffirent view on life. Atheism encourages you to think rational. Its easy to tell a kid a fairytale and make him believe it, but its a whole diffirent story to tell a kid that religion only wants to raise a pseudocracy.
magictouch115 10 months ago
@magictouch115 And theocracy*
magictouch115 10 months ago
@magictouch115 ". Its easy to tell a kid a fairytale and make him believe it, but its a whole diffirent story to tell a kid that religion only wants to raise a pseudocracy."
I dont know, it seems in both instances you are telling the kid what to beleive.
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@ikcjjtt (Sarcasm ON) Yes you're right, religion never tried to take control over countries or groups of people, and never bend the truth for the citizens! (Sarcasm OFF) Why should one not tell the truth? Look back at all those past years, let us take a look at the Spanish inquisition, or the crusades. See a remarable link between the two? I do. Its called religion.
magictouch115 10 months ago
@magictouch115 um... u got the wrong guy. on this video i wanted to argue how and why is religion child abuse. Though about the topic you are on, i just got through debating with a guy over similiar stuff but the "remarkable" link i found out was that they were all white and of European decent. so my question to you is it race, religion, creed, descent, nationality, bigotry, culture, socialization, or something else entirely? Because history shows us that war is complex and caues cant be-
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@magictouch115 simplified in one word. Violence by its self is a complex issue spanning over biological, phychological, psyilogical, socialogical,genetic,neurological, and environmental factors. You wont hear people arguing over one-worded over simplifications solution to the worlds issues in a college classroom. It works for highschool though.
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@Asurething100 Your religion is chaining you to a narrow world view, where you even think of the complete and utter absence of religion as a form of religion.
Religion has never freed anyone from anything, all it's ever done was impose additional laws upon people and the only way it could do this was through fear. Christians even say it about themselves "I am a decent God fearing person", well I too am a decent person, but I don't need to fear some made up being to be a decent person.
kkyt543 10 months ago
@kkyt543 this video has nothing to do with religion and child abuse. misleading title. Anyway do u want to debate religion and child abuse?
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
I love you Dawkins but you didn't really answer the question. She sounded like she was talking about an individual stuck in a religious family and what they should do. You talked about getting society to change etc. I agree with that as a goal but that doesn't really help anyone still under their parents control who is forced to believe these things against their will.
ABevs1 11 months ago
Christianity is DEFINITELY child abuse.
LesPaul2006 11 months ago
One of the best days of my life was when I renounced the Christian church entirely, starting with scratching my name from the register of my mother's church!
stopglobalswarming 1 year ago
@thickhead11 Religion teaches children (and everyone) that they must think "X" or else they will BURN in HELL for ETERNITY (at worst) or they will face some lesser punishment for committing thought-crime (at best).
/watch?v=IEWVch1afbs&feature=related
pay particular attention starting @4:45
hardinmichael1981 1 year ago
well yes I agree that it wrong to try use scare tactics like hell as a method of controlling people particularly children. That is actually very very unhealthy in my opinion and I would never condone anyone warning children of hell
I guess I just took what he was saying as not indoctrinate your children with your religion. Which doesn't seem possible to me particular cuz children are SO dependent on their parents and cuz religion requires lifestyle changes. Like how would Amish parents do this?
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hardinmichael1981 1 year ago
this typical of modern ethics. Always trying to disentangle ourselves from our own engagements. Thinking that no one should have to suffer for our convictions There is nothing wrong with others suffering for our convictions the question is are our convictions worth suffering for. Dawkins is a smart scientists but doesn't see how flawed his proposal is. u can't do ethics based on freedom and autonomy. Values are always derived from a community I respect dawkins but hes way off the mark this timw
thickhead11 1 year ago
This is bizarre way of doing ethics. Really stop and try to imagine parents that try and raise their children with giving them the ability to choose what they think on everything. The goal being to raise autonomous independent individual that are 'free' to choose for themselves. Its not fucking possible. You can't describe a relationship between a parent and a children in strict terms of objective non-interefernce. It would be relating to our children as strangers? not possible
thickhead11 1 year ago
@thickhead11 not at all. ALL he is talking about here is RELIGION. one could give their child religious education without compelling adherence to a particular faith. Simply teach your children the facts about the world's many religions and then allow them to choose for themselves. why not? (by the way you got the source of ethics right : It came from COMMUNITY, not from god - Dawkins would agree with that)
hardinmichael1981 1 year ago
@hardinmichael1981 what I mean to say is that your proposal to present facts about all world religions to your child unbiasedly is not possible insofar as we care about anything at all. The idea that the the most moral position is to create free autonomous individuals is simply ridiculous way to look at human relations. I am all for communitys that encourage freedom of thought and critical thinking but the proposed of childrens right to choose for themselves just seems to be silly to me.
thickhead11 1 year ago
@hardinmichael1981 the very existence of this child started from you robbing them the right to choose. you didn't ask them if they wanted to exist you didn't offer them the option of not existing. you forced them into existence and robbed them of their freedom of choice from their very conception. The very nature of being a child (and a human) means being dependent on others. How could propose the idea of an idependent, autonomous, free thinking child??
thickhead11 1 year ago
@hardinmichael1981 I guess all Im trying to get at is that we (humans) are much more bound to each other than this. We are connected to each other. We are bound to eachother in a way that mutually limits both of our lives.
Children must be taught how to tell the truth, they must be taught how to be honest. Not be raised by parents who decide its best that they make up their own mind about what they think truth is.
I dunno we may be talking right past eachother. Let me know
thickhead11 1 year ago
@thickhead11 children do have an innate sense of morality. (read up on psychology) it's not perfect, but who's is? of course it's the parents' job to help develop that. what's wrong with teaching children to make up their own mind BASED ON EVIDENCE? (OBVIOUSLY this CAN'T apply to EVERYTHING. Ex: "Look both ways before crossing the street.") our (inter)-dependence upon each other is not ABSOLUTE. talking about absolutes is a non-sequitur. Education is teaching HOW to think not (just) WHAT.
hardinmichael1981 1 year ago
@hardinmichael19 when it comes to letting children make up their own minds I guess my question is where do you draw the line. Do you let children make up their own minds when it comes to when they should go to bed? Do you let children make up their own minds when it comes to what is right or wrong? What is so special about religion that it alone is the one thing that children should be allowed to choose? Again I encourage free thought and questioning but why just religion?
thickhead11 1 year ago
we let children decide what religion they think is the best then we should certainly let them decide on other important decisions as well. Like they should be able to decide what they think is right or wrong. Why do we rob children of the freedom to make their own moral judgments? Surely this is indoctrination.
I agree that education is best done when we encourage and inspire others to think and not just tell them exactly what to think, but the autonomy that dawkins suggests is crazy
thickhead11 1 year ago
being part of a family is not a voluntary undertaking. As such, when one is part of a family, the kinds of responsibilities each member holds are in relation to each other.u have a duty to ur children, because the role of parent is to ensure the children are brought up in a way that is conducive to the community’s values. Thus, the issue with “rights” language is that it attempts to prevent maltreatment of individuals to the point of exclusion of familial and communal responsibility
thickhead11 1 year ago
@hardinmichael1981bottom line is that there can be no real society if its members only relate in terms of noninterference. The language of rights can destroy society because we regard people as strangers instead of assuming the responsibility towards them as family and members of the community that we share. Again values are only derived from community and cannot exist outside of that. Autonomy does not produce moral agents. Religion is not some special exception to this.
thickhead11 1 year ago
@thickhead11 USE COMMON SENSE. There are no absolutes. there is no such thing as absolute freedom or absolute autonomy or absolute ANYTHING. You are putting words/ideas/concepts into Dawkins' mouth that he does not in fact state or even imply. It seems that you are going out of your way to try to misunderstand. there is no contradiction b/w freedom and community b/c freedom does not rule out cooperation any more than community destroys individuality. USE COMMON SENSE. HOW HARD IS THAT?
hardinmichael1981 1 year ago
@thickhead11 EVERYTHING you have been arguing is a NON-SEQUITUR. It has nothing to do with Dawkins' arguments. Are trying to be deliberately obtuse? It's like asking: "Well, if we allow gay marriage then we should ALSO allow pigs and horses to get married." IT DOES NOT FOLLW. USE YOUR OWN BRAIN. I"m DONE with this.
hardinmichael1981 1 year ago
@hardinmichael1981 id only be interested hear ur answer to my question of why just religion? Why not other things as well? What is unique about religion? Not trying to prove a point but genuinely interested in an answer.
I mean i just wouldn't expect a jew to teach their kids about islam and Buddhism it just seems unnatural.
n I kinda feel like saying there are no absolutes is itself an absolute. Sorry this couldnt have been more productive.
thickhead11 1 year ago
@thickhead11 Anyway, his main objection is to the LABELING of children with their parents' religion. There are not Christian Children or Muslim Children any more than there are Republican Children or Liberal Children. They are too young to know what they think about things. It is fine to teach your children what YOU think about things as long as you say this is what YOU think about things and not what the child MUST think as well.
hardinmichael1981 1 year ago
@thickhead11 Why not other things? Go ahead. Why not just be HONEST to children about almost everything (here are the key words) W/IN REASON & W/ COMMON SENSE & W/IN THE LAW. You can draw the line where ever you think it's appropriate. again with the stipulations I've mentioned (which shouldn't even NEED mentioning). You seem to live up to your user name. (no offense intended) Now, go out & think for yourself.
hardinmichael1981 1 year ago
@hardinmichael1981 i agree that forcing ur kids to be ur religion is wrong, but I guess I took it differently in the beginning. Like saying forcing ur kids to go to church is child abuse seemed just as ridiculous to me as saying forcing ur kids to eat their vegetables and telling them to go to bed is child abuse.
ur last comment seemed to come off as a bit pretentious. I do think for myself..thanks. you've obviously completely pitted me against you from like the 2nd comment.
thickhead11 1 year ago
@thickhead11 my apologies.
hardinmichael1981 1 year ago
the last 45 second is priceless.....
sparky7718 1 year ago
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Psychiatrists and sociologists from all around the world need to seriously research and analyze that mysterious and monstrous thing called religion,that seems to be the most influential belief system on planet earth and release their findings to the public so people can become more aware and understand this complex problem and those that are inflicted, turn from it's ill effects.
sciencevsreligion01 1 year ago
Forcing children to go to church, read the bible, when they are so vulnerable to believe ANYTHING you tell him, is child abuse - it is to take advantage of his autonomy.
xBl00dBrothersX 1 year ago 42
@xBl00dBrothersX so should we leave them home alone??? wouldnt that be child abuse right there or at least neglection.
communismkills1 1 year ago
@xBl00dBrothersX I never believed that crap as a kid. I was sent to dumbday school regularly...
My parents also didn't pressure me into adopting any beliefs. Relief!
MovingUpp 1 year ago
@xBl00dBrothersX exactly people should believe what they want to believe that there IS a god or there ISNT...
TheSchemer1 6 months ago
@TheSchemer1 if parents tell their children santa claus is real and they force their child to read a book about him... the child will believe he exists. If they tell their child ponies exist, the child will believe it. At that age they're very vulnerable, so children can be initiated into just about ANYTHING and into believing ANYTHING.
xBl00dBrothersX 6 months ago
@xBl00dBrothersX thats because the child mind is young and inexperienced and just well learning
TheSchemer1 6 months ago
@xBl00dBrothersX Surely with that logic, forcing them to go to school is also child abuse
magicelliotth 4 months ago
@magicelliotth I see your point and it is a valid one. But, forcing children to go to school will prepare them to enter society with a degree, which they can use to support themselves and their families financially. Imagine if no child was ever forced to go to school - how would lawyers, university professors, doctors, software engineers, etc, ever learn the knowledge they need to do their jobs? Seriously, tell a child "Santa Claus is real" and he'll believe you.
xBl00dBrothersX 4 months ago
@magicelliotth tell a child "if you don't go to sleep early a monster will come out of your closet." If you tell a child stealing is always right he'll believe you and will steal. Forcing religious beliefs in children is _______ .
xBl00dBrothersX 4 months ago
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The teachings of this man lead down the road to HELL please turn to the Lord Jesus Christ who ALONE has the authority to forgive your sins and save you...please before it is too late.
warriorspikes51 1 year ago
My only God is the almighty dollar $
azyaninvasion 1 year ago
I'm glad my parents didn't bring me up with religion. I'm Atheist and my mum is fine with it (she's a Deist). It's sad when families bring up children with religion and scare them by telling them they will go to Hell if they are gay. How ridiculous! It's so mean.
lambgirlbex 1 year ago
Well since atheists are the primary advocates of killing six million babies every US Presidential term we allow legal abortion by Planned Parenthood nazis, it would seem to me you're outrageously hypocritical to make hate speeches accusing people of child abuse when you atheists are guilty of mass infanticide.
Texasjim2007 1 year ago
@Texasjim2007
What the fuck are you talking about?
How did you work out "Atheism=pro-abortion"? That is a lie(read: sin)!
I know PLENTY non-believers who are atheist!
In fact, it will not confuse me if Atheists are more pro-life than Christians! Only DIFFERENCE would be that when atheists protest against abortion, they don't drag in pictures of Jesus or bible quotes!(A book that really is NOT pro-life)
Hjernespreng 1 year ago 19
@Hjernespreng "What the fuck are you talking about?
How did you work out "Atheism=pro-abortion"? That is a lie(read: sin)!
I know PLENTY non-believers who are atheist!"
- Your reply makes no sense "I know PLENTY non-believers who are atheist"
explain this !
nordhorny 1 year ago
@nordhorny
wrong wording by accident.
I mean "plenty non-believers who are against abortion".
Hjernespreng 1 year ago
@Hjernespreng I thought (and hoped) it was a slip for the sake of your own faculties !
nordhorny 1 year ago
Religion is a cancer that prays upon the minds of helpless children. Religion is the result of child abuse. Parents use their child's natural yearning for goodness to install their deluded bigotry. This is corrupt to the highest degree and sicking. These people need to be called out on this.
drogden 1 year ago
Dawkins philosophy is ignorance. What really gets under my skin is a man or woman trying to tell parents how to raise their kids. If they give them direction in life the child can make their minds up as they get older. I was raised in a belief of a God. When i became older i understood i had my own choice and i did. I did not follow after my familys belief, but i followed after what i personally thought.
Deloa7Armando 1 year ago
@Deloa7Armando
What "choice" is there when the parents indoctrinate the children and tell them what to think and how to think?
It isn't "free thought" anymore.
The only reason I am not religious right now is because my father mostly kept his faith to himself. Had he given me a religious upbringing then I would be religious now, guaranteed!
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Deloa7Armando 1 year ago
@Hjernespreng ----- Let me explain, I do not know your dad and how he was but i am sure he was a nice man for you to follow his thoughts on religion. Personally, i do not force my children to pray or read their bible. They make their own choice. I show Christ through my actions and i believe "actions speaks louder than words," As a dad i am going to raise my children up to be excellant citizens of society and hopefully because of my love for them they live and do right.
Deloa7Armando 1 year ago
@Deloa7Armando
There is a difference between that and telling your children that they deserve to burn in hell forever and that only Jesus can save them*repeat that multiple times through childhood*
Hjernespreng 1 year ago
@Hjernespreng --- Yes, i agree and i have never said that. My children hear more about Gods Love . See, your right in forcing children is totally wrong, Jesus said "Let the little children come unto me" no one should force them they should want too. Again, i would be a terrible father if i did not give my children values. Even if i was an atheist i would still teach bible ethics. We cannot disagree on that, because it has wonderful ethics. Again, if you teach your children to Love that is good.
Deloa7Armando 1 year ago
@Deloa7Armando
I can't exactly say "wonderful ethics" about a book that condones child rape, slaying of heretics and heretic family members, stoning of "witches" and homosexuals, killing rebellious children, genocide, incest, slavery, slave abuse, killing fortune tellers, killing children who "curse" their parents, genocide of non-believers, murder of non-virgin first time married women, racism.
And then god himself murdering for silly reasons.
Hjernespreng 1 year ago
@Hjernespreng The bible holds storys of people not what God made people do. For example our history books are filled with blood tears and pain, but should we throw them away. There are also good ethical books that can be learned from.
Now, if man has no Law and goes and kills your family i am sure you would want justice for your family. This is what God did. All the things you said above is really what man does not what God does.
Deloa7Armando 1 year ago
@Deloa7Armando No. It is prop full of stories about horrible injustices done WITH god's consent and/or direct command(sometime he even does it himself).
Now, of course, I don't believe god commanded those things. Why? I don't believe he exists. People simply used an imaginary character to justify their inhuman actions. But it is still being passed off as "truth" and "god's will".
Hjernespreng 1 year ago
@Hjernespreng -- Friend weather you believe Him or not is not really the point. Our society is without morals and standard because of man doing there own thing. Rape, Murdering, etc. these are just two things out of many things that cause people to hurt themselves. Now, people can say all day i am an atheist all they want and say there is no God. That is fine, but reality there are more science for God than there is against. So, no matter what if your not going to stand than don't but i know.
Deloa7Armando 1 year ago
@Deloa7Armando
Again:
ENDORSED AND COMMANDED by your god.
A god commanding child rape and genocide! And you keep insisting that he is oh so moral? There are absolutely no "morals" to "learn" from your god. And whatever "good things" were thaught, it was already taught long before.
Also, there is ZERO "science for god"! Not One bit! Nothing, nix, nada, zip, zilch!
Hjernespreng 1 year ago
@Hjernespreng --- You are really wrong in your opinion. Let me ask you a question, Who tells men and Woman to rape and kill today ? God? That is a moral society you understand? There are morals and good things that the Bible has, which men try to destroy, but have failed. Let me tell you this also watch the next few years watch the United State go down. Not because of God's Morals, but because of Man.
Deloa7Armando 1 year ago
@Deloa7Armando
Do you still don't GET it?
I'm talking about GOD'S commands to kill, rape and massacre!
That is NOT "man's attempt to destroy morals". No, it is THE WORD OF GOD! Black on white right there in your precious bible! It lays in the parts they never show kids in Sunday school!
HITLER had some "moral" and "good" orders and rules. Did that make him a good person?
NO!
It is the EXACT same thing here!
You blindly follow your fhurer and ignore the commands you don't like!
Hjernespreng 1 year ago
@Deloa7Armando
Hell, if you want me to then I can give you citing for EACH immoral act done and endorsed by your god! All from the BIBLE itself!
I'm NOT "opinionated" when it comes to WHAT the bible actually has written in it! How can I be, and how can you be? It is right there in black and white!
So do you want me to show you the actual content of the book you praise or are you just going to ignore everything and continue to PRETEND that the Bible is some infallible moral guide?
Hjernespreng 1 year ago
@Hjernespreng ---- Let me explain something too you again, obviously your not paying attention to what i am saying. God never commanded to "RAPE" or "KILL" You won't read that . You can show me all you want. God intentions were to create a people to Love him . Man went the wrong way. Also, friend There are two Laws one OT and one NT, but i am sure you know all things.
Deloa7Armando 1 year ago
@Deloa7Armando
Yes, you DO have command to kill BY god in the bible! Don't even get me started! And "god given laws" consent to rape! And commands to rape were given god's consent!
Please do TELL how god intended to "make people love him" by consenting to have a city slaughtered and the virgin girls RAPED!
OT and NT?
You know what the problem with your argument is?
You, and the rest of Christians, NEVER specify WHAT laws from OT that "don't matter anymore!
Why?
Because the bible DOESN'T DO IT
Hjernespreng 1 year ago
@Deloa7Armando
I don't NEED to be "all knowing"! I have simply READ THE DAMNED BOOK without some telling me exactly what parts to read!
It is a despicable and vile collection of gruesome acts commanded and consented by the god in it!
You know what is funny?
Atheists/agnostics generally know more about the bible than followers from ALL brands Christianity! And more atheists have actually READ the bible than Christians!
Now that explains a lot, doesn't it?
Hjernespreng 1 year ago
@Hjernespreng you get so offensive it's funny. Our american History books have lied to us and our Professors who claim to be the men of knowledge have lied too us. I will tell you this again men do evil deeds and kill and rape and destroy. God from the OT stood for righteousness no matter what you think. So, God cleaned house just like we do in our court system except there is no righteous judge.
Deloa7Armando 1 year ago
@Deloa7Armando
It doesn't matter if American history books lied(cite your evidence). I'm Norwegian.
Your denial of what is in the bible is hilarious.
And I must say, it truly does say something about YOU that you look at CHILDRAPE as "righteous".
Earlier you said that the bible is a book of "wonderful ethics". I have proven you wrong, yet your best argument appears to be "nuh-uh".
Hjernespreng 1 year ago
@Hjernespreng === Okay now your just being ridiculous, where in any of my conversation did i say "Child Rape" is righteouss? this is the problem with you atheist who say you don't believe in anything. Your ignorant statements tell alot about you. You agree with mans lies and ability to lie hence no moral thoughts. I live under a Law that God gave and so do you. You just can't admit it. "Thou shalt not Kill!!!!" familiar?
Deloa7Armando 1 year ago
@Deloa7Armando
You said it indirectly by giving full support to the Bible and its laws.
Because, as I've already told you, the bible supports the raping of children!
You like to call me ignorant, yet you have obviously not actually properly read the bible.
Hjernespreng 1 year ago
@Deloa7Armando
And trust me, I can back up every "evil" point mentioned.
Hjernespreng 1 year ago
@Hjernespreng When my children turn 18 they then make the choice to follow God of course until then they have to be with me or with their mom. Responsible parents do not leave their children alone. So my love will over come their thoughts and as long as i am a good father i think they will make their own choice on what to do. Whatever choice it is i will still LOVE them as a dad. That will never change.
Deloa7Armando 1 year ago
Think about this, Do you really want children to think for themselves or do you want children to think like you.
DerektheDuctTape 1 year ago
Looks like Dawkins has a new aspect of behavior to research now, that's cool.
NUTCASE71733 1 year ago
Actually, Dawkins is being hypocritical on the "christian child" issue. What if one of HIS children came home one day and said, "Dad, today I received Jesus Christ as my personal Savior!" This man sponsors atheist summer camps, and his own kid converts?
Oh yeah, He would be on that kid like a duck on a junebug.
AmosPressley 1 year ago
Dawkins is right when he says "there is no such thing as a christian child." One of the hallmarks of true Christianity is that it is a decision that each person makes for himself. That is why the young man was wisely asked to write down his objections to going through the confirmation ceremony. He needs to be able to think through it, and make sure he is not merely using religion as a weapon in some sort of teen angst battle against his parents and other authority.
AmosPressley 1 year ago
@AmosPressley "...a decision that each person makes for himself." We simply do not know enough about the human mind yet for you to make that claim. It's an extreme oversimplification of the zounds of contributing factors (including parental and societal influences among others) that go into a person's decision to claim a religious faith. There is no such thing as a purely "personally independent" decision when it comes to faith....one of many dynamics the human authors of the bible missed
machesterman83 1 year ago
@machesterman83 I am not speaking as an expert in the human mind. As you correctly said, it is a complex cocktail of factors. It is even more complex when one adds a belief that Man is a spiritual being, a soul that inhabits a body.
Instead, I am speaking as one knowledgeable in Christian doctrine. There is indeed no such thing as a "Christian child." Dawkins' answer is close to the new Testament.
We all know he would be hypocritical with a child who was "born again" from an atheist home.
AmosPressley 1 year ago
Scary
YoungIvyScholar 1 year ago
Richard Dawkins is the best dad ever!
gapanlilio33 1 year ago
@gapanlilio33
After three marriages and two divorces, one can only hope he has learned a little something about how to get along in the family way.
Gapanlilio33, Juliet Emma Dawkins is his only legitimate child, borne by his second wife. I am curious, did he take much interest in you as an illegitimate child? Were you invited to family functions? How did your praise for him as a Dad come about?
AmosPressley 1 year ago
The problem is that people should learn to have values and morals which spread harmony and impart it to their children - like love you parents and take care of them, true love before sex, love nature and all creations, don't build to destroy nature, dont be greedy, etc. Under which "brand name" or religion they go is not to be worried about. Values and understanding should become a part of the family and not just imparted in the places of worship. Atheism is very similar to ancient Hinduism.
indinoodle 1 year ago
@indinoodle question: how is athiesm similar to ancient hinduism?
KuntOut 1 year ago
@KuntOut Gives freedom to worship who you like and respect. Thru a mode of worship, it educated people how trees and animals are important to maintain balance in the ecosystem, thus worship them. In your guest n neighbour is God, In your parents and all humans and animals and trees is God, so respect them. Scriptures say that God is not manifested in a form like many believe, but the intellectuals understand that it is the energy that runs thru everything. So u see no prophet, it was a system.
indinoodle 1 year ago
i think 4 stupid creationists have their computers turned upside-down
kaimaster11 1 year ago
Same shit, different imaginary friend
thedude3092 1 year ago
Ok, so in this guy's mind, no-one chooses to be Christian or Muslim or whatever, they're just forced into being "religious"?
That's crazy. There are plenty of people who choose to be part of a "religion". Not everyone is forced to be so.
AbStar921 1 year ago
@AbStar921 Ya but very few people are in it because they chose it. Most are and the ones who aren't are clearly crazy.
CrazyMunky84 1 year ago
@CrazyMunky84 Actually, I think you'd be surprised by how many make the choice....
AbStar921 1 year ago
@AbStar921 As a very young child I want to a church of England school and they taught us that jesus was real, I was just really confused then when realised there was something other than religion that made sence so I turned Atheist then. I was angry when I was that young at my school because they didnt give me the choice, I was just forced.
G3org3Master 1 year ago
@G3org3Master Ok, thats your experience. Mine is different. I had atheism forced on me.
AbStar921 1 year ago
@G3org3Master true, but if you want to live in society thats the price some have to pay, you have to do things you dont like.
Psquit 1 year ago
any atheist who supposes to abduct children on the grounds of "child abuse by religion" will find himself believing in God a lot quicker than he otherwise would.
badp81 1 year ago
Especially telling a child while growing up that they’ve gotta drain some of their blood to offer to idols & graven images, chanting demonic phrases & letting demonic forces control - REAL child abuse!
Eye2EyeIIIV 1 year ago
The Bible does not specifically say anything about child abuse. There is no record of a single instance in the Bible where a child is being abused. What the Bible does tell us is this: Children have a special place in G-d’s heart and anyone who harms a child is inviting G-d’s wrath upon Him. Jesus welcomed little children to His side, blessed them, and said that the Kingdom of G-d belongs to those such as them.
Eye2EyeIIIV 1 year ago
@Eye2EyeIIIV:
>The Bible does not specifically say anything about child abuse.
Genesis 22:1-24
Psalm 137:9
PeterRabbitTV 1 year ago
Jesus on Child Abuse:
(Matthew 18:6)
"...whoso shall OFFEND one of these little ones which believe in Me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."
(It'd be much better to DTROWN like that than face G-d's Judging throne. Because ANYONE who destroys a child's faith in Jesus is in BIG trouble. Not an angry protest, but a warning with love.)
Eye2EyeIIIV 1 year ago
(Ephesians 6:4)
"And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord."
(Proverbs 22:6)
"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old he will not depart from it."
Every child is born with a purpose: to love people and worship G-d!
But Satan will do anything he can to PERVERT that purpose.
Eye2EyeIIIV 1 year ago
(Psalm 127:3)
"Lo, children are a HERITAGE of the LORD, and the fruit of the womb is His reward."
(Psalm 115:13-15)
"He will bless them that fear the LORD, both small and great. The LORD shall increase you more and more, you and your children. Ye are blessed by the LORD who made heaven and earth."
Eye2EyeIIIV 1 year ago
whats so crzy about this??
you want to hear something properly crazy?
In some buddhism country, a 30 year old man was worshiping and bowing his whole body to the ground to a 10 year old monk, asking him to bless him....
THATS crazy...
Eye2EyeIIIV 1 year ago
@Eye2EyeIIIV That is crazy but that being crazy doesn't make christianity or islam any less crazy.
CrazyMunky84 1 year ago
Thank you!
jlp6869 1 year ago
Genital Mutilation from Religion is Child Abuse too!! A sexual punishment to deprive innocent helpless children!
seaco2000 1 year ago
The only problem with this entire speech is that it presupposes an absolute moral standard. And the only problem with presupposing an absolute moral standard is that hes spent his life arguing against it.
TheSeanWilson 1 year ago
Try coming out as...anything...to an Atheist father and an Agnostic mother. One of my best friends did this a few years ago. What he got was a lecture about how he was stupid, etc.
My point being that this isn't a phenomenon limited to very religious people.
Axion444 1 year ago
@Axion444 Try coming out as anything to a muslim family, theyll probably kill you, a christian family would probably try to get you exorcised. an atheist family you'd probably have a discussion on why they think your belief might be wrong. i think society would be better off with the third example as the norm
flipperboy 1 year ago
@flipperboy I find that quite funny, because my parents have yet to try to exorcise me for being an Agnostic. I was raised maybe one step up from the snake-handling people on the crazy meter, and they've yet to do anything but get a little preachy every now and then.
Personally, I think it's because my parents love me more than they love puffing up their own egos and beliefs. My friend, at least in his dad's case, hasn't faired so well.
Axion444 1 year ago
@Axion444 ye ppl will be dicks whatever their beliefs are. but ye the worst an "extreme atheist" parent would probably do is disown you which is alot better than the most "extreme muslim" parent would do
flipperboy 1 year ago
@Axion444 No but it is much more unheard of for an Atheist or Agnostic parent to go a little crazy if their child disagree's with them, or takes on views different to theirs but there are a enough exapmles of religious parents over reacting to put it simply.
dom182 1 year ago
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And all the liberal fundamental activists call this "child abuse" or "brainwashing"???
U degenerated folks are doing nothing but destroying the real meaning & appliances for those words!
Eye2EyeIIIV 1 year ago
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Sagan said, "We are star stuff" and "a way for the cosmos to know itself."
All the atoms on earth and in our bodies came from supernova that blew up over 5 billion years ago.
Aren't we all just walking, talking stardust -- this cosmos become AWAKE and looking back at itself? -- and aren't we intimately connected to it all?
We are this wonder called life become AWAKE
Please enjoy the dance.
And ultimately there's nothing that separates us from others in this grand mystery. Please be kind.
goog2k 1 year ago
Please Explain this, A child of one religion where the parents are of another.
smileofyes 1 year ago
there is no such thing as a Christian Child, only a child of Christian Parents. I have seen cases where I can challenge that idea.
DerektheDuctTape 2 years ago
I am so glad I have the loving parents I have. They will except my beliefs no matter what. I am currently a agnostic Deist. I just can't seem to get over the idea of a Creator. oh well. I am young I have alot to learn.
Elestareus 2 years ago 4
I can feel your pain. Religion is a guilt trip.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 2 years ago 25
For me it is not. Why do you feel that way. Christianity is not a religion, but it is sad that many people present it that way.
smileofyes 1 year ago
re·li·gion /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Show Spelled[ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 1 year ago
everything is a religion under that definition.
smileofyes 1 year ago
Nope, but it would include any set of beliefs concerning case, nature and the purpose of the universe. I believe here the definition means all have to be involved. Certainly Christianity would fall under that, along with rituals and holy orders.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 1 year ago
@Ebuverthebicepcurler Very very true. It is no coincidence that fundamental christianity has risen during a time of aggressive wars against Vietnam and Iraq, that achieved nothing and killed millions.
DaiJonesful 1 year ago
@Ebuverthebicepcurler answer this for me , Where is the physical proof that the Big Bang theory is correct, if we can't see it or hear it then how can people say that 13-14 billion years ago Nothingness became the universe. so nothing bacame something, that basically sounds like a God created the universe.
communismkills1 1 year ago
@communismkills1 "Where is the physical proof that the Big Bang theory is correct" I'm no scientist, but part of the evidence is Cosmic microwave background radiation. "Nothingness became the universe. so nothing bacame something, that basically sounds like a God created the universe.: I believe the theory is the universe was created spontaneously, something to do with quantum-physics. I don't know theory well, but it certainly has nothing to do with god, as no intelligence is involved
Ebuverthebicepcurler 1 year ago
@Ebuverthebicepcurler i still dont see any physical proof, dont tell me next athiest will believe in tooth fairies, there is no intelligence involved, how can people be "rational" when they believe nothingness became something, also dna is so complex that it would take intelligent design to create that, you have nothing in the universe that is like dna, what are primetive bacteria's ancestors? was it a rock or gases that evolved into bacteria then eventually evolving into humans
communismkills1 1 year ago
@Ebuverthebicepcurler Scientists have so many holes in their theories, that its so laughable. Remember Darwin said Survival of the fittest so that means if 100 people are getting in my way i can kill them and its not my fault because they were too weak to survive, a child molester would not be a perverted monster because one persons moral is different from another, so then i can rape anyone and then i would say im not evil im Athiest , God = morals No god = human made morals
communismkills1 1 year ago
@communismkills1 Pm me, I'd love to debate you in private.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 1 year ago
@communismkills1 No, Scientists don't have many holes in their theories. If they did, they would not not be accepted by by other scientists.
It's the bible for which there is no evidence, other than itself.
You are confusing the scientific method of investigation with the christian "method."
Also any morality that has to be imposed on a person from an outside authority is a very weak one and not to be trusted. Morality must come from within or it's rubbish.
As to the investigation methods:
HonestMan395 1 year ago
@communismkills1 The scientific method:-
You start with a theory. You search for evidence by testing to confirm the theory.
If the evidence contradicts it, then the theory is rejected.
If it seems to confirm it, is published with all the data and independent scientists try to replicate the tests. If the results are confirmed, it is then accepted as fact.
If counter evidence surfaces later it is again fully re-examined and if the counter evidence proves accurate, the theory is rejected.
HonestMan395 1 year ago
@communismkills1 The Christian Method:-
You start with a belief. You accept it as fact. You then search for evidence, in religious teachings, to confirm that belief.
Anything that contradicts it is either dismissed as false, or twisted to fit the belief. However, anything, no matter how flimsy or dubious, that seems to confirm it, is accepted immediately, without question or further investigation.
The belief is then declared to be true for all time, and the faithful must never question it.
HonestMan395 1 year ago
@Ebuverthebicepcurler....with no due respect, you are an idiot.
watahalfwhole 1 year ago
@watahalfwhole you cant handle the truth so you resort to insults lol im 14 and your insulting me lol, i wonder how old you are, 10? probable not since vast majority of athiest i have seen are older 35+, how does it feel buddy you're most likely an older guy insulting a young guy, its pathetic, i would say state your debate/argument but you are clearly too mature for that, ah im glad you insulted me instead of writing something long, later human being that is most likely and old guy....
communismkills1 1 year ago
belief is thought. mandatory belief equates to totalitarian thought control
fluentinsound 2 years ago
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Being a Christian for my whole life, I have to say I am far more comfortable with the ideas and theologies expressed in this tripe, than the evil, ignorant and prejudiced ways of the modern Holy Bible. If this is truly the way "God" has made things for us I would much rather burn in a lake of fire for all of eternity, than to spend one second in the presence of such true evil. I think deep down... we all know that Christianity cannot possibly be correct because "God" would not be so cruel.
MafferDragonhandEyed 2 years ago
See this is what pisses me off about the religious mind. You think you know what 'God' would be like, even though you have no more proof than anyone else.
Secnateb 2 years ago
By extension there is no such thing as an atheist child. Teach you child how to think not what to think.
busdriver8980 2 years ago 5
My parents were athiests. But they wanted us to make up our own minds on religion. We went to Presbyterian, protestant, and Luthren churches as kids.
My Oldest sister is athiest. I'm presbyterian, and middle sister is Born again. And now my parents are part of a Unitarian church.
Tom6093 2 years ago
did you hear of the Catholic mother who contacted the devil to get the priest out of her son?
peppermintpaddy 2 years ago 4
Lynch burg Virgina.
JeffSims009 2 years ago
Do you people really know what brain washing really is.
DerektheDuctTape 2 years ago
I agree, leave the children alone. Don't brainwash them before they have a chance to make their own minds.
nolahp1973 2 years ago 32
That's what churches do, target the children:
Give me the children until they are seven and anyone may have them afterwards. -- St. Francis Xavier
jursamaj 2 years ago
@jursamaj yes because of course St Francis is a modern, up to date example of a christian and church leader
magicelliotth 4 months ago