Islam was invented by a pedophile dictator (Mohammad) who murdered innocent people and raped a child, i.e. Aisha. You cannot be a Muslim and a human being at the same time.
At least they aren't throwing acid in their faces or chopping off the women's noses.
Here we have a Muslim government attempting to do the right thing - establish a separation of church and state - and people are suggesting we interfere in their internal politics because it's not PC enough!! Ridiculous!! It's Islam that restricts what a woman can wear! They'd be getting beat with sticks for wearing what they are right now in an Arab country! How's that for basic human rights?
the econmical zone bettween cuprus israel and greece blocks turkey since the american oil company starts searching on 3 febryary in the israel cuprus economicla zone.. americans provid e full protection in teh area and stop sailing weapos to turkey
kemalist, u think world give u freedom without a cost.... freedom is just a word now.... u owned by the freemasons for free.... we will wait for the day when u all bow for the lords of lords... its written that we will win it ... ALLAHHUAKBAR!
@nagamora yeah lets just leave in middle-ages, when schientific knowledge of the world did not affect people's lives, so yeah : LONG LIVE RELIGION, LONG LIVE IGNORANCE!:P
Ironic how it is "humane" for a women to walk naked but inhumane when women cover themselves. We are becoming like animals here. Although animals stay naked, they still treat their sexuality with sanctity unlike us humans.
the problem is not secularism; Turkey is NOT a real secular country, because secure countries CANNOT dictate what one can wear or not wear. Look at Canada for example.
Turkey is ANTI-islam, which is a very bad position to take.
@Zackerybob that the most rightious comment I have read in this video .this turkish hate of islam is not normal at all .Free masones r doing a great job, but it only ends once and that's with islam winning
one thing i hate about my country (or some people in general) is that they dont admit the mistakes they're currently doing and try to fix it...infact they try to justify the wrong doings...whats so wrong about womenwanting to wear the headscarf..its not like anybody is forcing them like in iran
How strange that in other parts of the islamic world, women are struggling to get rid of the head rag, and in tgurkey, the idiots are fighting to get them back.
@EarthaKit2 No you are idiot ! Think about what you are saying ! Turkey is not other country ! Retard , define what Democracy stands for ? So stupid fucktard shut the fuck off .
Allah send his rules with our holly Quran. So the muslims must govern with this rules if they really believers. Muslims should respect all religions but they can´t be secular, because secularism means to take out Allahs rules.
We will never give up, until Turkey is an islamic Republic.
@SahinKirsehirli As long as you have that view civilisation will never come to Turkey. Firtt of all we are all people, second comes our religion. Until you have a more global view your country will always be in the stoneage.
@SahinKirsehirli Islam will kill Turkey and turn it into the next battle ground the future for radical Islam is down the end of my periscope sight. Bang!!! Bang!!!
well I usually I dont swear in reality nor do I mean it but this is the only way here i can express my anger on all you idiots!!
I dont care from now on do what you like, I only leave you all to GOD/ALLAH because its hard to deal with all of you, I only do this for my country and people, NOTHING ELSE
Ah another from the Not so great Kemalite cult. I know it must be so hard to deal with me and the sort because how can you tie your beliefs with actual Islam. you cant so it must be very very hard for you i totally agree. and lastly we herd it from the horses mouth, about country and people (Note: this statement is a reincarnation of king and country).
haha dont go over the moon by your actions, you didnt make nothing hard on me fool, you dont know how many people I deal with here just to get my people the message, thats why it is hard for me duuhh!! And What country are u from? You cant deal with my country, we will never fall into your twisted ideas because we know what is real religion, we dont need brainwashed people who wrap their heads like mummys
it was atatatat tata turk however u spell a ugly name like that, it was the mothers idea to put him in islamic school as a child not the fathers, even if they had freedom i doubt she would take it off.
It's funny how people say religious attire is wrong. What if someone claims to wear a headscarf for non religious reasons. What if someone decided that all clothing is 'religious' and they want to walk around nude.Would that be accepted?Who defines the limits. May Allaah curse the opponents of his religion.
"and a lot of girls in Turkey are now covering up due to peer pressure"
Rightyo, care to prove that with any credible evidence and "a friend of a friend of a friend told me that the other day" is NOT credible. Sorry, unless you can whip out some statistics, you are talking completely rubbish.
I fail to see how you and other Secularists/communists, whatever you call to yourselves as, can be so concerned about a piece of cloth that another woman wants to wear.
My family are Turkish living in Turkey and my cousins attend uni there and are students - they see it happening fist hand.
Communists? Don't make me laugh.
1. Hijab is sexist. If women have to cover themselves up to be "modest" then men should have to do it too.
2. God is made up - anyone who blindly follows religion is deluded, therefore religious symbols have no place in the classroom. Religion goes against education.
Ezzedeen01, it's not similar to the regulations that women have, is it, since men don't have to cover their hair,arms, or legs. It's disproportionate, which is one of the problems I have with Islam.
On education, I wasn't saying that Islam didn't permit education for women - I wrote about how a symbol of religion shouldn't be allowed in the classroom as religion is not based on facts, whereas education is.
Sorry to say, but on holiday in Turkey I've seen the opposite - men with t-shirts standing next to their wives/girlfriends who have headscarves and full-lengthed clothes on. And I've seen quite a few cases of this on the streets.
Which means that the men aren't following Islam while their wives are. Quite simple actually.
I already told you that I am the President of the Muslim Student Association at my university. This means that whenever someone wants to convert to Islam, i am the one to teach them and bring them in.
Suffice it to say, i have yet to see a Male convert to Islam. All i have seen are women who want to convert.
Generally, women are more kindly disposed to Islam and are more devout.
Okay, I don't really believe that the male would not be a follower of Islam if the person who he has married is covered up, but we can agree to disagree on that.
No sane woman would actually want to walk around on the streets of Istanbul in the blazing summer heat shrouded in clothes. I personally could not do it - I even find hats on my head to be quite irritating.
They may be more devout but I still think Islam is highly unfair towards women.
I am not saying they are not Muslim, i am saying they are not adhering to to what Islam says they do and don't do.
Just because you would not want to do it, does not mean other women wouldn't, thats quite naive.
and generally, flowing clothes allow air to circulate, therefore it is cooler for the wearer.
Islam is completely fair towards women and provides women with so much. Muslims on the other hand, at least in what the media chooses to cover, ya, they don't do islam justice
Im going to stick by my view that women wouldn't want to do it. Speaking as a woman, I would find covering my head up everytime I went outside ridiculous and humiliating.
In Turkey the trend with the hip Islamists is to put on lots of make-up, wear tight clothes, yet cover their head. This strikes me as bizarre - I thought the purpose of hijab was so that it didn't attract "unwanted attention/lust" My cousin has even seen girls in hijab with thongs visible. Surely this is the real hypocricy?
Again, thats your view and your opinion. Others ahve their own opinions/views/beliefs and what i am stressing is you have no right to impose your beliefs on others. Especially considering we are talking about a simple cloth
It is Hypcorisy. But Islam was sent down because people are imperfect, NOTbecause of "Original Sin" but because we are human.
And yet, their are other women who wear the hijab and are dressed in complete modesty, so heresay is a moot point
Yet hijab is much more than a simple cloth. It presents a clear message. If adult women (18 and over) want to wear hijab, that's fine by me, even if it does go against common sense. But it should under no circumstances be allowed in educational institutions.
I would say that over half of the girls I've seen in hijab also wear makeup, so what is the point of wearing hijab if they're looking for ways to be attractive by other means?
You have yet to justifiy not letting women with a piece of cloth on their head being denied entry to a university.
I agree completely, their is no point. Are you God to judge them? Its their choice what they can and can't do. And NO organization, person etc. has the right to judge them or deny them that right.
Amazing, you are no better than the Iranian mullahs telling women what they can and can't wear and where they can wear it.
Ezzedeen, from your point of view it sounds as though we should be living in an Anarchist society then, with no authority. There is a reason why we have governments and constitutions.
I can apply your same reasoning and ask what right does a religion have to lay down a concrete set of rules and regulations that mere mortals have to abide by?
Any woman who equates exposing herself, and the necessity to show her beauty and body parts to not being 'ashamed of what God gave them' is truly confused, and needs counseling.Not to say every woman will believe in the Quran, and Islamic principles, but don't equate modesty to insecurity and shame, and exposure to confidence. Your saying "women wouldnt want to do it", well your statement is false, because Islam is the fastest growing religion in the US, and women make up most of the reverts.
For these women, it is the chance of exploring a new culture that attracts them, and so they commit themselves to it. They are quite possibly dissilusioned with their society - pornography for example is disgusting and objectifying, and sexist towards women, and is present in society. However, relatively speaking these converts are insignificant - the vast majority or women around the world do not want to be dictacted to and do not want to be restricted.
And I have indeed made my point of view clear regarding hijab in schools. In my view NO religious symbols of any faith should be worn in an educational institution since religion presents a clear message that goes against factual teaching and knowledge.
You haven't proved me wrong. And I'm not trying to change your opinion, since I know any attempt is futile - you're obviously very dedicated to Islam.
I'll always speak out on the fact that I believe religious attire in places of education is wrong. But I'm not going to stop anyone beyond the education age wearing hijab. Sharing opinions and beliefs is neccessary and part of free speech - so I'm not going to stop giving my opinion. Likewise you are free to offer your opinions in society.
Revengevampire, even on a secular principed debate, your an idiot. Your analogies are illogical and make no sense whatsoever. First of all, a child is inevitably going to be molded by the parents, culture and society they are born within, this includes beliefs. From the time you are born, and named, and taught a language to speak and a school is chosen for you, and you are disciplined by adults for right and wrong actions, this is all a form of indoctrination, which children have no say in.
Religious indoctrination is different from education since it's not based on facts.
I don't walk outside half naked. I would define "half naked" as walking around in my underwear and definitely don't do that. Are you saying that men view every woman who walks around without a headscarf as a "sex object"? If so, this suggests that men are perverted fools - and I don't agree with that. In fact, I would say that that analogy is sexist towards men.
You obviously are not a muslim, so fine, live your life the way you want to, how is another believer wearing her headscarf threatening or effecting you? Especially since she chooses to practice her faith. Just as you find it "ridiculous" covering up everytime you go outside, muslim women would find you ridiculous walking outside half-naked, being viewed only as a sex object by men, and ironically, in some absurd way, feeling that you are "liberated" by doing so.
Revengevampire, please come to the States, visit places like Philadelphia, I would personally direct you to women who were born non-muslim, & walked around bare in the summers, and wore whatever, & then became muslim ON THEIR OWN, to no compulsion, and now they are veiled and covered in long flowing black dresses, and even cover there faces, & challenge you to tell them they are 'oppressed' and 'forced'. lol, they would laugh in your face and youd be the one looking "ridiculous". God is Great!!
For arguments sake, lets say religion is all fake.
Why are you infuriated with seeing women wearing a CLOTH on their head. Unless they are beating you with it, you have no right to tell them what they can and can't wear
You believe religion is fake. Well, once again, you are forcing your beliefs on others. You want to live a life were you are not oppressed by the ideology of others while you oppress others with yours.
I am perturbed because it goes against all common sense and is sexist.
Women should not be covered up like that, and women should not have to be ashamed of themselves and what was naturally given to them.
Believe me, I don't want to oppress others, I am concerned about young girls who have Islam put upon them. In my opinion any child who is baptised/christened, made to wear a turban, made to where hijab is undergoing child abuse as it's not their decision. I child cannot choose at that age
The woman's right to seek education or learning is basic and is also guaranteed by Islamic teachings. Islam actually makes it incumbent on the woman to seek knowledge; the Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) says, `seeking knowledge is incumbent on every Muslim," where "every Muslim" obviously involves men and women on an equal footing as a rule formalised by all authorities of jurisprudence.
A woman covers up because she is practicing modesty, something that is FUNDAMENTAL to humans 1st and Islam 2nd.
The Hijab has many uses:
1. It is a reminder to the wearer of her vow of modesty and humbleness
2. It is a reminder of her submission to GOD ALONE and how much she cherishes and practices Islam
3. As a Muslim Student Association president living in a non-Muslim country, it is a mark or symbol that allows me to find Muslim women and invite them to participate in our activities
No im saying you are a part of an ever dwindling elitiest minority of you are Turkish.
What happens in Saudi Arabia and Iran is NOT right vis-a-vis requiring by law that women wear hijab. At the same time discriminating against women for wearing hijab is not right as well.
For reasons I've already explained, I don't agree with the presence of hijab in schools/unis. Also it's not "elitism", it's about applying progressive laws.
the truth is, secularism = terrorism. so when you bring secularism you bring in terrorism. a direct relation. who gave us the right to make legal what allah ( god) the creator made illegal. are we to say our laws are better then that of our creator? thats secularism. enough said.
Anyway what was wrong with the woman who did not wear headscarfs after 1922 to 1999. There was nothing wrong was there even during the 1960's & 70's was your mother bad, mine was not so what is the psycosis paranoid fear about, I'll tell you, its about nothing.
Prof.Wistleblower2 here:Turks are muslims even if they are wearing western cloths so I do not understand the fear of woman having to wear Headscarfs. Headscarf & the Burka is dangerous anyway because terrorist men can wear them in disquise. I am not racist of woman wearing them but only in a free terrorist country.
Yes, we are not muslims, thank God! What an abomination being a muslim at this day and age would have been. Muslims, take your religion, we do not want it any more.
Turkey is not going to end up like a shithole because of retards like you! Go some place like Iraq and blow yourself to your precious ALLAH, because YOU ARE NOT WANTED ON EARTH!
ml2d, you represent the manners skills of muslims like you. How fast you lost it, and how fast you all take lives, and insult others. Jus one more example of why Islam is not right. Just look at the fruit of that tree.
I don't know why TURKEY can't differentiate between secularism and anti-Islaicism, banning scarf is anti-Islamic and not secular, even USA,UK they r not Muslim countries but secular that's why they did not ban scarf b/c doing so is anti-Islamic, not secular and against basic HUMAN RIGHTS.
So many people chained to their arrogance and ignorance are gathered here, so nice. It is like looking at a dinosaur about to go extinct. So rare, yet tells so much abou the ugliness that human potential carries.
COME TO south africa YOU CAN WEAR WHAT EVER YOU WANT, TURKS YOU ARE NOT SECULARIST YOU PEPOLE ARE TERRISING YOU OWN ,CITIZENS, ARMY SCHOULD STAY IN BARAKS,NOT IN POLITICS.DOWN WITH DAMM ATATATAPUTATURKAO HE IS A PSYCO ATATURK
down with what you call "secularism", turks. i don't believe the turks calling themselves "secularists" know what secularism is. What a shame secularism is measured by what a woman wears!
*wear hijab IF YOU WANT TO* Yes,correct,but,do muslim women in some islam countries have right NOT to wear hijab ?
In other words,do muslim women have right of choice ? If you have no right of preference,it is Obligation,Oppression,Subjugation,so The State(if state is state) ought to provide man-woman equality and justice.
Freedom isn't about giving "freedom" to oppressive practices, it's about freeing the oppressed.
The headscarf is an insult to intelligence. What kind of pervert believes one strand of hair will arouse men? The easing of the headscarf ban violated the secular character of our universities. AKP is without question a religious party, and here in Turkey, secularism is non-negotiable.
AKP will be banned, and Erdogan will find that his true fate will be the fate of Menderes.
it will be always forbidden, cause it s not human right it s backing to medival age, also acoording to quran women dont have to wear headcover, Muhammed s wife was also not wear headcover.
and her talks are looking like completly true but she is telling lie her real reason is to end secularism and set a islamic republic.
no we wont let this. we are ,Turkiye is secular like a stone and you cant broke this stone.
But Turkey is also a democracy and in Democracy people will rules.I think if these women want to wear scraf they should. Also your information is incorrect. Prophet's wives did cover.
secularism will stay forever in Turkiye. Yes Turkiye is democratic country and democracy gives people feedom and i see headscarf is not freedom it means you are a slave. And this is so political in Turkiye wearing headcover is not means i am muslim, it means i am an antisecular and i am supporting islamic parties, Also according to quran women dont have to wear it.
please dont mention things about the Quraan without proof. Please also tell me the verse where is says they dont have to(EXPLICITLY) wear it , and whoever lies about Allah or the Messenger that person will purchace a seat in the Hellfire.
Its just means you have the right to wear it, and its what you believe if its a sin or not. No one is forcing them to weat it which is just as bad as forcing them to take it off. Please look at it from both perspectives, not from you Western obsessed mentality.
Is there *respect* in islamic countries(I dont write which ones,evertone knows) or Protestant ones,Sweden England and Germany etc.?
Respect is Human Rights.
Yes,you will drink as Human(two sips of Scotch Whisky,one bottle of German beer,a glass of French wine),you will live as Human and you will respect as Human.
*Dogs,donkeys and women....* is this respect ?
Respect means to be loved by someones
Fenerbahce respect unbeaten Chelsea and didnt score to much
Arkadasim, sen sadece 1400 yilin otesinde yasiyorsun!!! Bizim yasadigimiz yil ise MS 630lar!! Soylediklerin Arap Mustafa'ya (SAV) karsi oldugu icin seni Kureys kabilesi ve Firavunlar adina kutluyorum!!!! Essalamu verahmatullah!!! Allahuekber, Allahuekber. Allahuekber!!! Have I left any head standing??? I am so good, I am a Muslim... I am so humanist... I behead humans... I am the most humanist of all... Allahuekber!!! Allhuekber!!! Allahuekber!!!
The purpose of the headscarf is to rob women of their beauty so insecure men don't feel worried when they let their wives, daughters, and sisters out alone, while men can do anything. Why do so many men protest the headscarf ban? They weren't there at the feminist protests on Women's Day. They want women covered at all times so they can feel better about themselves. A woman who defends women's oppression is a traitor to all women. Only people who respect themselves will be respected by others.
A woman who chooses to wear a headscarf is more dangerous than a man who forces women to wear one. Women will never achieve equality while millions of their sisters proudly glorify their own oppression. So my Turkish sisters, men can never stop you from empowering yourselves and becoming respected. The only people oppressing women in Islam are women: it's women who defend headscarves, beatings, and honor killings. It's women in Egypt who take their daughters to have their genitalia mutilated.
Atilla, I've said many times before that I have no desire to continue this discussion with you as you deliberately try to provoke me and other muslims by your defamation of the Prophets character, therefore it is not my duty to explain anything to someone who will always be anti-Islam even if it is proved to you that you are wrong. You know that by calling the prophet derogatory names you will anger Muslims so I am not going to take the bait, I am content in the knowledge that hell awaits you.
Whenever the husband likes,he can kick his wife out only saying 'I divorce you' but woman has no right to do so.The contemporary state should embrace Human Rights and Justice.
The vast majority of women wearing headscarves are putting on because of Fear ond Oppression(dad,husband)
The Cult is based on Fear Brainwashing
Headscarf is symbol of being second class citizen Woman is deficient at witness inheritance
Ok Atilla, it's clear that you would rather rely on fantasy than facts. Even western historians state that Islam was more tolerant than Christianity in europe, but you wish it was otherwise. It is true that some muslims are intolerant but that is a recent occurance. I feel i have done my duty as a muslim, this life is short, you can choose to spend eternity in hell fire that's fine by me. I have nothing more to say to you on this matter as you are morally bankrupt.
I agree Islam was more tolerant than Europe of the Middle Ages, but by today's standards, it's totally unacceptable. Non-Muslims have always lived in a position of inferiority and humiliation. Did you know that the Star of David patch originated in Baghdad and not Nazi Germany? Non-Muslims were even required to lower their eyes while passing Muslims or face death. What does tolerant Islam demand of atheists and those who leave Islam? I guess since I'm morally bankrupt I'm not as tolerant as you.
Most threatening of all to women may be the Muslim understanding of rape due to Islam's restrictions on the validity of a woman's testimony. Four witnesses, who must have actually seen the rape, are required to give a woman justice. Also, a woman's testimony is worth half of that of a man. If there are not four witnesses, the raped woman is deemed a liar in the sight of God. Apparently, Muhammad wanted to make it impossible to prove rape. Why?
Some things the Prophet could do that was not allowed for the average Muslim. It is noted that the prophet also accepted slaves as payment for helping certain tribes, even though slavery is a sin in Islam. He accepted the slaves so that he could free them and also not offend those who had given him a slave. It was better to take the slave to free him than refuse to and have him be a slave forever. I don't know why i'm explaining this to you anyway as you are the worst type of kaffir.
Only slavery of Muslims is a sin in Islam. Islam allows Muslims to make slaves out of anyone who is captured during war, even children of slaves to be raised as slaves
Islam allows for non-Muslims to be made slaves if captured in war. After Muslim armies attacked and conquered Spain, they took thousands of slaves back to Damascus. The key prize was 1000 virgins as slaves.
Non-Muslims who made a treaty with the ruling Muslims could be made into slaves if they didn't pay "protection" tax.
Aisha later went on to become the most authentic source on the Prophets life and contributed the most to the Hadith, she had nothing bad to say about him, so you can't make out she was abused. He was sent by God, no man or woman since has been sent by God, that's the difference. Here in the UK we have the highest teenage pregnancy in the world and 100,000 registered sex offenders but no one says it is because of Chritianity or secularism.
That's because it's not coming from Christianity or secularism, but pedophilia by Muslims typically is because of Islam. Christianity doesn't allow sexual freedom but doesn't encourage pedophilia the way Islam does, and secular law doesn't have set principals, it's just the absence of religion.
Teenage pregnancy comes from poor sex education, not from religion. There's nothing wrong with encouraging teenagers to abstain from sex, but that doesn't mean ban sexual freedoms and install Sharia.
LOL you guys are getting really desperate. The Torah and Bible also state how people thousands of years ago did marry young. The prophet was a prophet of God and only he could marry Aisha at that age and she was given to the prophet in marriage by his own best friend, but she lived with her parents. He also married a woman twice his age. Mary gave birth to Jesus as an 11 year old and was given to Joseph in marriage who was 30 at the time. It doesn't make it ok for us normal men though.
You're like a criminal defense lawyer when you defend a man over 50 who had sex with a 9 year old. I know it was common until relatively recently to have sex with young girls, but in Islam, it's still encouraged to imitate the behavior of Muhammad, and that is why pedophilia is so common among Muslims. It's not acceptable for people to imitate a murderer, pedophile, robber, extortionist, and barbarian, even if it's for religious reasons.
The matter is not being a White westerner or the white loose robed one who(male) doesnt wear underpants.What they only want to be Human and live like a Human
If those,whom you like so much,have no oil income they would starve.
But,dont worry,if you wash your brain five times in a day,you will go to Paradise where 72 virgin Fairy Girls waiting you(if you are a man,dont forget to take viagra pills) or perhaps you will take nine year-old child girl.Good Moral
Sex with 9 year old girls is not only permitted in Islam, but strongly encouraged. Muslims are to imitate Muhammad's life as much as possible and Aisha became his second and favorite wife when she was 6, and began having sex with at age 9. This is why many leaders in Islamic countries like Khomeini in Iran have encouraged Muslims to marry young girls. Sadly, it was found in Afghan and Pakistani refugee camps as well as other areas that most girls were married by age 13.
I have nothing more to say on the matter, I don't have to defend my beliefs to people who are on the decline. Your way of life is slowly coming to an end and the world is now ready for the resurgence of political Islam. In every muslim country their are groups calling for the Caliphate to return and those groups are getting bigger, more muslims want Shariah than they want secularism you will just have to deal with that my friend.
You say you believe in democracy but if the majority of Turks one day wanted to live under Shariah and voted for it you would try to stop it. Secular Turks are the most powerful but the least in numbers, Turkey today is only just becomming a democracy it has been a dictatorship since 1924.
Democracy doesn't mean tyranny of the majority, it's pluralism and giving minorities protection. Respect for cultures and values other than our own is a hallmark of a civilized attitude, but if those values are destructive of our own cherished values, are we not justified in opposing them, by making sure the laws and constitution of the country are respected by all? Not all religions and cultures are equal, many have terrible values. Religion, but Islam in particular is not worthy of respect.
Don't worry Atilla, you wont go to heaven. You are chasing a dream of Western freedom. I converted to Islam i know what I'm talking about. To say cutting an animals throat is torture is ridiculous, surely by your thinking killing animals by any method should be wrong. God does not care or need us to do anything, we do it out of obedience and because we believe, you'll never understand that as you want to be a White westerner, but you'll always be rejected.
Islam should be banned from schools and politics. In Iran and other Islamic countries, people are being stoned, murdered, beaten, mutilated just because they want to lead a different life style. If people want to be religious, do it elsewhere. Not in schools which are for learning and certainly not in Politics unless you want a Taliban type regime.
I agree Turkey is becomming a free and pluralist nation where people can begin to enjoy their lives, no matter which lifestyle...including conservative Islam. It is becomming this thanks to changes in the law like the lifting of the headscarf ban.
Atilla, again you display your ignorance as though it were a badge of honour. How can you condemn halal slaughter as though it were worse than any kind of slaughter? If you think animals are similar to humans then surely you should be against all animal slaughter, period. I know if someone killed me I'd be more concerned with being killed and not so much about the method of dispatch. So I guess you're a vegan or something. Also Turkey only abolished the detah penalty a few years ago.
No I'm not a vegetarian or vegan, but torturing animals for sacrifice? That's terrible.
The death penalty was only recently banned, but it wasn't used for some 25 years, and it wasn't used on random people, but for criminals.
But do you really think the creator of the universe cares that women wear headscarves, stay virgins, obey men, and slaughter animals? If God is that big of a pervert and asshole, I really don't want to go to heaven, the land of murderers, rapists, robbers, and perverts.
We join feminists in condemning a work of pornography because it degrades women, but hands off a holy book that advocates stoning adulteresses to death. Animal liberationists attack laboratories that scrupulously use anesthetics for all operations, but what about ritual slaughter houses in which animals have to be fully conscious when their throats are cut? The rest of us are expected to defend our prejudices, but ask a religious person to justify his faith and you infringe "religious liberty."
Also please tell me what achievements secular Turkey has made at all?
Turkey was once a great world power BECAUSE of Islam, and now it is just another European tourists play ground.
You say people will have more equality but it seems only those who hate Islam deserve equality in your opinion, that's not equality.
You're not a Muslim so shut up about the requirements of Islam, you are a Kaffir so you shouldn't bother with these things, go get drink and eat pig instead.
Turkey already discriminates in favor of Sunni Islam, all other religions and beliefs are discriminated against. Freedom of religion can only come when it doesn't threaten freedom from religion. We already know you don't believe in either of those concepts because you want Sharia in Turkey, UK, and every other country in the world.
Turkey's achievements? It's becoming a free and pluralist nation and society, where people can enjoy their short lives, no matter which lifestyle, IN SPITE OF ISLAM.
Atilla you truely are the biggest ass licker the world has ever known. Both the Pakistani and Bengali female PM's WERE democratically elected. You can't claim Turkey is more democratic when the army overthrows governments that are democratically elected. Turkey is just as f***ed up as most so-called 'Muslim' countries. I find it funny how you still link Turkey to the Islamic world even though you hate Islam, make your mind up you imbecile. Also Secular Turks are proud of military victories.
Pakistan and Bangladesh never banned the headscarf but they both elected female Prime Ministers and both countries implement some form of Shariah.
Who was the last female president or Prime Minister of Turkey?
Turkey thinks it is modern because it is so anti-Islam but what has Turkey achieved? NOTHING. Even Iran has managed to send a satellite into space whilst being isolated from the world, and Pakistan made the nuke.
Tansu Ciller was our first female Prime Minister, the only democratically elected female leader in the history of the Islamic world. All the others, like in Pakistan and Bangladesh, only replaced their fathers or husbands. Don't worry, as Turkey advances and has better education, we'll have more equality and better lives for everyone here.
How nice that your "accomplishments" all seem to have to do with war and destroying the world, what nice contributions Islam has made to this world.
Islam was invented by a pedophile dictator (Mohammad) who murdered innocent people and raped a child, i.e. Aisha. You cannot be a Muslim and a human being at the same time.
Gawdator 6 months ago
At least they aren't throwing acid in their faces or chopping off the women's noses.
Here we have a Muslim government attempting to do the right thing - establish a separation of church and state - and people are suggesting we interfere in their internal politics because it's not PC enough!! Ridiculous!! It's Islam that restricts what a woman can wear! They'd be getting beat with sticks for wearing what they are right now in an Arab country! How's that for basic human rights?
MohammedTheBabyRaper 6 months ago
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JIMY45GR 1 year ago
If Turkey is so Democratic and Secular
Why do you's oppress your own people?
Why do you's not allow minorities to speak their language?
Why do you's not allow people to practice their religion properly?
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU'S TO STOP A PERSON FROM GETTING EDUCATION YOU DUMBFUCKS.
Yeah we seen it Turkey is so democratic and secular don't make me laugh idiots. Your country is a shithole so they always beg to Europe.
Young Ottomans should take that country back and start building a superpower.
toni226 1 year ago
Fuck shariah and Fuck Hijab.Secular Turkey for ever!
Turkishateist 1 year ago
@Turkishateist
FUCK ATHIEST DOGS
toni226 1 year ago
this is a secular freedom bullshit .and yet we're condamning france to ban the hijab
Oh Allah destroy this secular regime
amen
nagamora 1 year ago
kemalist, u think world give u freedom without a cost.... freedom is just a word now.... u owned by the freemasons for free.... we will wait for the day when u all bow for the lords of lords... its written that we will win it ... ALLAHHUAKBAR!
nganjo 1 year ago
Long live Secularism! Long Live Ataturk! Long Live Freedom and Democracy!
CDNCanadian 1 year ago
@CDNCanadian go to hell
oofeewise 1 year ago
@CDNCanadian LONG LIVE ISLAM LONG LIVE MUSLIMS LONG LIVE SHARIA LAW
nagamora 1 year ago
@nagamora yeah lets just leave in middle-ages, when schientific knowledge of the world did not affect people's lives, so yeah : LONG LIVE RELIGION, LONG LIVE IGNORANCE!:P
surmeslevress 6 months ago
I hope Aljazeera will talk about freedom of atheist expression, gay rights one day. Hypocritical muslims only talk about their rights.
miregrc 1 year ago
What happened to you Turks, what happened to the sons of Osman. Today you are followers of Jews and the West.
Please search for this on youtube and your great history:
Islam, The Empire of Faith - The Ottomans
projections 1 year ago
Apal kadın neden başörtüsü takıyorsunuz?
zorfunler 1 year ago
@zorfunler Sanane kotunu siktigim.
harunsun 1 year ago
Ironic how it is "humane" for a women to walk naked but inhumane when women cover themselves. We are becoming like animals here. Although animals stay naked, they still treat their sexuality with sanctity unlike us humans.
nofreedom4racists 1 year ago
@nofreedom4racists
the problem is not secularism; Turkey is NOT a real secular country, because secure countries CANNOT dictate what one can wear or not wear. Look at Canada for example.
Turkey is ANTI-islam, which is a very bad position to take.
Zackerybob 1 year ago
@Zackerybob that the most rightious comment I have read in this video .this turkish hate of islam is not normal at all .Free masones r doing a great job, but it only ends once and that's with islam winning
nagamora 1 year ago
one thing i hate about my country (or some people in general) is that they dont admit the mistakes they're currently doing and try to fix it...infact they try to justify the wrong doings...whats so wrong about womenwanting to wear the headscarf..its not like anybody is forcing them like in iran
TurkFutbol10 1 year ago
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Women should be given the right to choose to don the scarf or NOT. I hope this is sorted out indeed. EarthaKit YOU ARE SUPER DUMB AND A EVIL MAN
rabiahibetullah 1 year ago
How strange that in other parts of the islamic world, women are struggling to get rid of the head rag, and in tgurkey, the idiots are fighting to get them back.
HAHAHAH
EarthaKit2 2 years ago
@EarthaKit2 No you are idiot ! Think about what you are saying ! Turkey is not other country ! Retard , define what Democracy stands for ? So stupid fucktard shut the fuck off .
eldar600 1 year ago
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Long live the secular Turkish Republic! Secular we are, and secular we shall remain!
Gawdator 2 years ago
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Turkey needs an intifada.
Allah send his rules with our holly Quran. So the muslims must govern with this rules if they really believers. Muslims should respect all religions but they can´t be secular, because secularism means to take out Allahs rules.
We will never give up, until Turkey is an islamic Republic.
how happy to can say "i am muslim"
My Prophet we are your flowers
xxTurquiaxx 2 years ago
Islam will never disappear from Turkey, even after so much secularism we will never give up islam, first Islam every where every time.
SahinKirsehirli 2 years ago 7
But what will happen to those women that want to wear the hijab and study?
I really love Turkey but it's the only thing that make me sad!
ZahraN5 2 years ago 2
@SahinKirsehirli As long as you have that view civilisation will never come to Turkey. Firtt of all we are all people, second comes our religion. Until you have a more global view your country will always be in the stoneage.
MrKelvincan 1 year ago
@SahinKirsehirli Islam will kill Turkey and turn it into the next battle ground the future for radical Islam is down the end of my periscope sight. Bang!!! Bang!!!
MrKelvincan 1 year ago
Well lets see, mustafa kemal:
1/ Was a alcoholic
2/ He visited prostitutes (or maybe even guys)
3/ He was a kaffir
4/He was a vicious dictator
5/ He is whorshipped like a god
6/ He abandoned turkish culture and instead adopted the filthy kaffir culture
7/ He tried really ahrd to make good relations with the countries that invaded the Ottoman lands
tyenuj 2 years ago
@tyenuj all people who adopt islam fully also abondon their own culture
satail 2 years ago
@tyenuj and turkey is most powerful majority muslim country because of secularism and good relationships with western countries
where as for example saudi-arabia only lives from oil and has allowed u.s bases in their land
satail 2 years ago
Women should be given the right to choose to don the scarf or NOT. I hope this is sorted out indeed.
MsGial 2 years ago 2
you should hav to respect your religion rather than the country policy.
kcosain 2 years ago 2
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FUCK MUSTAFA KAMAL IDEAS!
hafiidz3 2 years ago
I really wanna fuck your leader HUMEYNI AND HIS IDEAS you bastard...
brsyv 2 years ago
Human rights in turkey? Waht a joke?
Cellem17 2 years ago
TO all TURKS, just look at the picture of the Mother of Ataturk. what she is wearing a scarf! Shame of Turkey!
janji3202 2 years ago
And to you a BIG BIG Fuk You bastard because that was when women didnt have freedom!!!
TurkishSaiyanPower 2 years ago
Your Ulttimate idea of freedom is when a woman becomes a whore. Lastly, people like you will resolve to swearing and likes coz not much else to say.
janji3202 2 years ago
well I usually I dont swear in reality nor do I mean it but this is the only way here i can express my anger on all you idiots!!
I dont care from now on do what you like, I only leave you all to GOD/ALLAH because its hard to deal with all of you, I only do this for my country and people, NOTHING ELSE
TurkishSaiyanPower 2 years ago
Ah another from the Not so great Kemalite cult. I know it must be so hard to deal with me and the sort because how can you tie your beliefs with actual Islam. you cant so it must be very very hard for you i totally agree. and lastly we herd it from the horses mouth, about country and people (Note: this statement is a reincarnation of king and country).
janji3202 2 years ago
haha dont go over the moon by your actions, you didnt make nothing hard on me fool, you dont know how many people I deal with here just to get my people the message, thats why it is hard for me duuhh!! And What country are u from? You cant deal with my country, we will never fall into your twisted ideas because we know what is real religion, we dont need brainwashed people who wrap their heads like mummys
TurkishSaiyanPower 2 years ago 2
mummys :( now i am hurt.
janji3202 2 years ago
sorry but I am not trying to offend you, im just putting out the truth, I dont care anymore ok, and again sorry for hurting your feelings
TurkishSaiyanPower 2 years ago
it was atatatat tata turk however u spell a ugly name like that, it was the mothers idea to put him in islamic school as a child not the fathers, even if they had freedom i doubt she would take it off.
MobHeataEnt 2 years ago
It's funny how people say religious attire is wrong. What if someone claims to wear a headscarf for non religious reasons. What if someone decided that all clothing is 'religious' and they want to walk around nude.Would that be accepted?Who defines the limits. May Allaah curse the opponents of his religion.
mindakhilikaraki 2 years ago
lol. Abusing of religion. Religion is abusing of intelligence.
modemkorv 2 years ago
I don't consider "Turkish" women who wear the headscarf as Turks. They are traitors to Ataturk, who is the father of our nation.
More than the women though, it is the MEN who force them to wear the scarf. Disgusting. Islam has ruined Turkey.
revengevampire 2 years ago
And what about the women that aren't married huh?
Don't you think for one minute that those women fighting for the veil actually BELIEVE in the Veil and are not "oppressed"
Traitor, look in the mirror. You are sticking your nose in the beliefs of other women, and frankly, I suggest you pull it out!
Just because your an Atheist Secularist shill devoid of any morals or beliefs, doesn't mean everyone is.
IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!
Ezzedeen01 2 years ago
First of all I do have morals, in fact I am very moral. But I guess our definitions of what is moral and what isn't will differ.
Men as in their fathers too, and a lot of girls in Turkey are now covering up due to peer pressure.
Why on earth would a woman in her right mind actually want to cover their hair?
What is so suggestive about hair?
revengevampire 2 years ago
"and a lot of girls in Turkey are now covering up due to peer pressure"
Rightyo, care to prove that with any credible evidence and "a friend of a friend of a friend told me that the other day" is NOT credible. Sorry, unless you can whip out some statistics, you are talking completely rubbish.
I fail to see how you and other Secularists/communists, whatever you call to yourselves as, can be so concerned about a piece of cloth that another woman wants to wear.
You are the real chauvanists!
Ezzedeen01 2 years ago
My family are Turkish living in Turkey and my cousins attend uni there and are students - they see it happening fist hand.
Communists? Don't make me laugh.
1. Hijab is sexist. If women have to cover themselves up to be "modest" then men should have to do it too.
2. God is made up - anyone who blindly follows religion is deluded, therefore religious symbols have no place in the classroom. Religion goes against education.
revengevampire 2 years ago
1. Men DO have RULES AND REGULATIONS when it comes to what they can and and cannot wear.
a) A man cannot bare his chest because like a women, his body is "beautiful" too and may attract women just as a woman's body attracts men.
b) Men cannot wear revealing or tight clothes ie. spandex and the like.
So ya, the rules for clothes for women is similar to men,
2. In YOUR OPINION. You are FORCING your atheistic beliefs on someone else and you think its okay but its not! Hypocrite!
Ezzedeen01 2 years ago
Ezzedeen01, it's not similar to the regulations that women have, is it, since men don't have to cover their hair,arms, or legs. It's disproportionate, which is one of the problems I have with Islam.
On education, I wasn't saying that Islam didn't permit education for women - I wrote about how a symbol of religion shouldn't be allowed in the classroom as religion is not based on facts, whereas education is.
revengevampire 2 years ago
Well, you are wrong, men DO have to COVER their arms and legs.
Just like women!
Ezzedeen01 2 years ago
Sorry to say, but on holiday in Turkey I've seen the opposite - men with t-shirts standing next to their wives/girlfriends who have headscarves and full-lengthed clothes on. And I've seen quite a few cases of this on the streets.
revengevampire 2 years ago
Which means that the men aren't following Islam while their wives are. Quite simple actually.
I already told you that I am the President of the Muslim Student Association at my university. This means that whenever someone wants to convert to Islam, i am the one to teach them and bring them in.
Suffice it to say, i have yet to see a Male convert to Islam. All i have seen are women who want to convert.
Generally, women are more kindly disposed to Islam and are more devout.
Ezzedeen01 2 years ago
Okay, I don't really believe that the male would not be a follower of Islam if the person who he has married is covered up, but we can agree to disagree on that.
No sane woman would actually want to walk around on the streets of Istanbul in the blazing summer heat shrouded in clothes. I personally could not do it - I even find hats on my head to be quite irritating.
They may be more devout but I still think Islam is highly unfair towards women.
revengevampire 2 years ago
I am not saying they are not Muslim, i am saying they are not adhering to to what Islam says they do and don't do.
Just because you would not want to do it, does not mean other women wouldn't, thats quite naive.
and generally, flowing clothes allow air to circulate, therefore it is cooler for the wearer.
Islam is completely fair towards women and provides women with so much. Muslims on the other hand, at least in what the media chooses to cover, ya, they don't do islam justice
Ezzedeen01 2 years ago
Im going to stick by my view that women wouldn't want to do it. Speaking as a woman, I would find covering my head up everytime I went outside ridiculous and humiliating.
In Turkey the trend with the hip Islamists is to put on lots of make-up, wear tight clothes, yet cover their head. This strikes me as bizarre - I thought the purpose of hijab was so that it didn't attract "unwanted attention/lust" My cousin has even seen girls in hijab with thongs visible. Surely this is the real hypocricy?
revengevampire 2 years ago
Again, thats your view and your opinion. Others ahve their own opinions/views/beliefs and what i am stressing is you have no right to impose your beliefs on others. Especially considering we are talking about a simple cloth
It is Hypcorisy. But Islam was sent down because people are imperfect, NOTbecause of "Original Sin" but because we are human.
And yet, their are other women who wear the hijab and are dressed in complete modesty, so heresay is a moot point
Ezzedeen01 2 years ago
Yet hijab is much more than a simple cloth. It presents a clear message. If adult women (18 and over) want to wear hijab, that's fine by me, even if it does go against common sense. But it should under no circumstances be allowed in educational institutions.
I would say that over half of the girls I've seen in hijab also wear makeup, so what is the point of wearing hijab if they're looking for ways to be attractive by other means?
revengevampire 2 years ago
You have yet to justifiy not letting women with a piece of cloth on their head being denied entry to a university.
I agree completely, their is no point. Are you God to judge them? Its their choice what they can and can't do. And NO organization, person etc. has the right to judge them or deny them that right.
Amazing, you are no better than the Iranian mullahs telling women what they can and can't wear and where they can wear it.
Hypocrisy at its finest
Ezzedeen01 2 years ago
Ezzedeen, from your point of view it sounds as though we should be living in an Anarchist society then, with no authority. There is a reason why we have governments and constitutions.
I can apply your same reasoning and ask what right does a religion have to lay down a concrete set of rules and regulations that mere mortals have to abide by?
revengevampire 2 years ago
Any woman who equates exposing herself, and the necessity to show her beauty and body parts to not being 'ashamed of what God gave them' is truly confused, and needs counseling.Not to say every woman will believe in the Quran, and Islamic principles, but don't equate modesty to insecurity and shame, and exposure to confidence. Your saying "women wouldnt want to do it", well your statement is false, because Islam is the fastest growing religion in the US, and women make up most of the reverts.
Naaji 2 years ago
For these women, it is the chance of exploring a new culture that attracts them, and so they commit themselves to it. They are quite possibly dissilusioned with their society - pornography for example is disgusting and objectifying, and sexist towards women, and is present in society. However, relatively speaking these converts are insignificant - the vast majority or women around the world do not want to be dictacted to and do not want to be restricted.
revengevampire 2 years ago
And I have indeed made my point of view clear regarding hijab in schools. In my view NO religious symbols of any faith should be worn in an educational institution since religion presents a clear message that goes against factual teaching and knowledge.
revengevampire 2 years ago
Thats fine. Your wrong and i have proved you wrong but whatever.
As long as you keep your beliefs to yourself and don't impose them on anyone else, i don't care.
Ezzedeen01 2 years ago 2
You haven't proved me wrong. And I'm not trying to change your opinion, since I know any attempt is futile - you're obviously very dedicated to Islam.
I'll always speak out on the fact that I believe religious attire in places of education is wrong. But I'm not going to stop anyone beyond the education age wearing hijab. Sharing opinions and beliefs is neccessary and part of free speech - so I'm not going to stop giving my opinion. Likewise you are free to offer your opinions in society.
revengevampire 2 years ago
Revengevampire, even on a secular principed debate, your an idiot. Your analogies are illogical and make no sense whatsoever. First of all, a child is inevitably going to be molded by the parents, culture and society they are born within, this includes beliefs. From the time you are born, and named, and taught a language to speak and a school is chosen for you, and you are disciplined by adults for right and wrong actions, this is all a form of indoctrination, which children have no say in.
Naaji 2 years ago 2
Religious indoctrination is different from education since it's not based on facts.
I don't walk outside half naked. I would define "half naked" as walking around in my underwear and definitely don't do that. Are you saying that men view every woman who walks around without a headscarf as a "sex object"? If so, this suggests that men are perverted fools - and I don't agree with that. In fact, I would say that that analogy is sexist towards men.
revengevampire 2 years ago
You obviously are not a muslim, so fine, live your life the way you want to, how is another believer wearing her headscarf threatening or effecting you? Especially since she chooses to practice her faith. Just as you find it "ridiculous" covering up everytime you go outside, muslim women would find you ridiculous walking outside half-naked, being viewed only as a sex object by men, and ironically, in some absurd way, feeling that you are "liberated" by doing so.
Naaji 2 years ago
Revengevampire, please come to the States, visit places like Philadelphia, I would personally direct you to women who were born non-muslim, & walked around bare in the summers, and wore whatever, & then became muslim ON THEIR OWN, to no compulsion, and now they are veiled and covered in long flowing black dresses, and even cover there faces, & challenge you to tell them they are 'oppressed' and 'forced'. lol, they would laugh in your face and youd be the one looking "ridiculous". God is Great!!
Naaji 2 years ago 2
For arguments sake, lets say religion is all fake.
Why are you infuriated with seeing women wearing a CLOTH on their head. Unless they are beating you with it, you have no right to tell them what they can and can't wear
You believe religion is fake. Well, once again, you are forcing your beliefs on others. You want to live a life were you are not oppressed by the ideology of others while you oppress others with yours.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
Ezzedeen01 2 years ago
I am perturbed because it goes against all common sense and is sexist.
Women should not be covered up like that, and women should not have to be ashamed of themselves and what was naturally given to them.
Believe me, I don't want to oppress others, I am concerned about young girls who have Islam put upon them. In my opinion any child who is baptised/christened, made to wear a turban, made to where hijab is undergoing child abuse as it's not their decision. I child cannot choose at that age
revengevampire 2 years ago
On Education:
The woman's right to seek education or learning is basic and is also guaranteed by Islamic teachings. Islam actually makes it incumbent on the woman to seek knowledge; the Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) says, `seeking knowledge is incumbent on every Muslim," where "every Muslim" obviously involves men and women on an equal footing as a rule formalised by all authorities of jurisprudence.
Incumbent = Duty, Obligation, A MUST!
Ezzedeen01 2 years ago
Ezzedeen01, GREAT POINT. I could not have said it any better.
laborgrunt 2 years ago
A woman covers up because she is practicing modesty, something that is FUNDAMENTAL to humans 1st and Islam 2nd.
The Hijab has many uses:
1. It is a reminder to the wearer of her vow of modesty and humbleness
2. It is a reminder of her submission to GOD ALONE and how much she cherishes and practices Islam
3. As a Muslim Student Association president living in a non-Muslim country, it is a mark or symbol that allows me to find Muslim women and invite them to participate in our activities
Ezzedeen01 2 years ago
You are not Turkish, you are a cult member, a member of the Ataturk Cult.
laborgrunt 2 years ago
So from what you're saying laborgrunt, most Turks aren't Turks then?
revengevampire 2 years ago
No im saying you are a part of an ever dwindling elitiest minority of you are Turkish.
What happens in Saudi Arabia and Iran is NOT right vis-a-vis requiring by law that women wear hijab. At the same time discriminating against women for wearing hijab is not right as well.
laborgrunt 2 years ago
For reasons I've already explained, I don't agree with the presence of hijab in schools/unis. Also it's not "elitism", it's about applying progressive laws.
revengevampire 2 years ago
if turkey wants to appear to be a free society women shouldn't be forced to wear it OR to take it off.
SadiyaDurrani 3 years ago
the truth is, secularism = terrorism. so when you bring secularism you bring in terrorism. a direct relation. who gave us the right to make legal what allah ( god) the creator made illegal. are we to say our laws are better then that of our creator? thats secularism. enough said.
Mod8631 3 years ago
Anyway what was wrong with the woman who did not wear headscarfs after 1922 to 1999. There was nothing wrong was there even during the 1960's & 70's was your mother bad, mine was not so what is the psycosis paranoid fear about, I'll tell you, its about nothing.
wistleblower2 3 years ago
Prof.Wistleblower2 here:Turks are muslims even if they are wearing western cloths so I do not understand the fear of woman having to wear Headscarfs. Headscarf & the Burka is dangerous anyway because terrorist men can wear them in disquise. I am not racist of woman wearing them but only in a free terrorist country.
wistleblower2 3 years ago
/watch?v=t2ayWlTWU_8&NR=1
Leylaa1990 3 years ago
Yes, we are not muslims, thank God! What an abomination being a muslim at this day and age would have been. Muslims, take your religion, we do not want it any more.
originalraider 3 years ago
secularists are not muslims, they're mentally retarded dogs
Feezability 3 years ago
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Mustafa Kemal Pasha's a gay jew =)
Feezability 3 years ago
really, that's what I heard about your mom?!!?
WonderWomanUS 3 years ago
your mom was one of kemal's hoes
Feezability 3 years ago
like mohammed?
WonderWomanUS 3 years ago
Turkey is not going to end up like a shithole because of retards like you! Go some place like Iraq and blow yourself to your precious ALLAH, because YOU ARE NOT WANTED ON EARTH!
CERNOBE 3 years ago 4
@CERNOBE first of all,
people do not understand the quran and rules of islam (such as bombers)
second of all.
you are just brainwashed by the media..
go and research your self instead of accusing islam -.-
XxGoldenStrikeXx 1 year ago
Islam is the tool of dirty violent men, Ataturk was god, he was sent down from heaven to kill musolmen
CERNOBE 3 years ago
ml2d, you represent the manners skills of muslims like you. How fast you lost it, and how fast you all take lives, and insult others. Jus one more example of why Islam is not right. Just look at the fruit of that tree.
originalraider 3 years ago
I don't know why TURKEY can't differentiate between secularism and anti-Islaicism, banning scarf is anti-Islamic and not secular, even USA,UK they r not Muslim countries but secular that's why they did not ban scarf b/c doing so is anti-Islamic, not secular and against basic HUMAN RIGHTS.
actionsfurysroar 3 years ago
So many people chained to their arrogance and ignorance are gathered here, so nice. It is like looking at a dinosaur about to go extinct. So rare, yet tells so much abou the ugliness that human potential carries.
originalraider 3 years ago
Long live Ataturk, down with Islam. Man-made cruel religion!
originalraider 3 years ago
u stupid ignorant fuck
ml2d 3 years ago
@originalraider
Fuck you ATASHIT is an asshole.
toni226 1 year ago
COME TO south africa YOU CAN WEAR WHAT EVER YOU WANT, TURKS YOU ARE NOT SECULARIST YOU PEPOLE ARE TERRISING YOU OWN ,CITIZENS, ARMY SCHOULD STAY IN BARAKS,NOT IN POLITICS.DOWN WITH DAMM ATATATAPUTATURKAO HE IS A PSYCO ATATURK
admiral20055 3 years ago
down with what you call "secularism", turks. i don't believe the turks calling themselves "secularists" know what secularism is. What a shame secularism is measured by what a woman wears!
wellytoy 3 years ago 2
What a shame! where are the men in turkey?
PLOstyle 3 years ago
Cheers 4 secularism!!!!!!!!:)
petitkall57 3 years ago
u secularists will b flushed down the toilet very soon...count on it
ml2d 3 years ago
I live in Holland and if muslim womens can wear headscarf here in job and school.Then Turkey should be ashamed.
Rotterdam3081 3 years ago 4
as you loonking from an another country, this video maybe looking true, but it s not true she is completly political
selengatonyukuk 3 years ago
come to America...you can wear whatever you want...
theysayyouwanta 3 years ago 2
quiet soon people in turkey are gonna take their independence again and then see what extent Turks have the power... see results..
osmantan1 3 years ago
stupid woman with towel
bsunben 3 years ago
Saadiamuslima,
*wear hijab IF YOU WANT TO* Yes,correct,but,do muslim women in some islam countries have right NOT to wear hijab ?
In other words,do muslim women have right of choice ? If you have no right of preference,it is Obligation,Oppression,Subjugation,so The State(if state is state) ought to provide man-woman equality and justice.
Briefly,Freedom is the right of choice
Freedom is the Divorce.
Freedom means not to be half human
Freedom is the watching AlJazeera Sport(cyfra)
arenasuz 3 years ago
Atilla ve onun gibileri Allah ıslah etsin.
işte asıl geri kafalılık...
rindysheydy 3 years ago
Freedom isn't about giving "freedom" to oppressive practices, it's about freeing the oppressed.
The headscarf is an insult to intelligence. What kind of pervert believes one strand of hair will arouse men? The easing of the headscarf ban violated the secular character of our universities. AKP is without question a religious party, and here in Turkey, secularism is non-negotiable.
AKP will be banned, and Erdogan will find that his true fate will be the fate of Menderes.
xAtilla88x 3 years ago
it will be always forbidden, cause it s not human right it s backing to medival age, also acoording to quran women dont have to wear headcover, Muhammed s wife was also not wear headcover.
and her talks are looking like completly true but she is telling lie her real reason is to end secularism and set a islamic republic.
no we wont let this. we are ,Turkiye is secular like a stone and you cant broke this stone.
selengatonyukuk 3 years ago
But Turkey is also a democracy and in Democracy people will rules.I think if these women want to wear scraf they should. Also your information is incorrect. Prophet's wives did cover.
Saadiamuslima 3 years ago
secularism will stay forever in Turkiye. Yes Turkiye is democratic country and democracy gives people feedom and i see headscarf is not freedom it means you are a slave. And this is so political in Turkiye wearing headcover is not means i am muslim, it means i am an antisecular and i am supporting islamic parties, Also according to quran women dont have to wear it.
selengatonyukuk 3 years ago
please dont mention things about the Quraan without proof. Please also tell me the verse where is says they dont have to(EXPLICITLY) wear it , and whoever lies about Allah or the Messenger that person will purchace a seat in the Hellfire.
kapou07 3 years ago
sure in the sure of Nur and the 31.say, this say dosnt mean women must wear headscarf, or it doesnt mean showing hair is a sin.
selengatonyukuk 3 years ago
Its just means you have the right to wear it, and its what you believe if its a sin or not. No one is forcing them to weat it which is just as bad as forcing them to take it off. Please look at it from both perspectives, not from you Western obsessed mentality.
yowrzamewakal 3 years ago
@selengatonyukuk
How is it slavery are you dumb its the women choice to wear it, while you kemalist bastards saying its against human rights,
Kemalists= Mentally ill Bears that need hospital care.
toni226 1 year ago
Your stone will broke soon! I promise you!
justchill1987 3 years ago
where do YOU get your information from? The prophets(saw) wives didnt wear a scarf???? OMG...
iqra31 3 years ago
esytes,
Respect,yes respect.
Is there *respect* in islamic countries(I dont write which ones,evertone knows) or Protestant ones,Sweden England and Germany etc.?
Respect is Human Rights.
Yes,you will drink as Human(two sips of Scotch Whisky,one bottle of German beer,a glass of French wine),you will live as Human and you will respect as Human.
*Dogs,donkeys and women....* is this respect ?
Respect means to be loved by someones
Fenerbahce respect unbeaten Chelsea and didnt score to much
arenasuz 3 years ago
NEDEN MÜSLÜMAN DEĞİLİM?
Kanıtı olmayan iddiaları ciddiye almıyorum
9 yaşındaki kız çocuklarına bakıp cinsel zevk almıyorum
Her canlıyı olduğu gibi kabul ettiğimden; domuzdan,maymundan, eşek sesinden falan tiksinmiyorum
"guslün farzı üçtür. Necaseten taharet, gıyasetten taharet, şattül avert" sözü bende gülme isteği uyandırıyor
Spagetti yanında beyaz Şarabı; ızgara et yanında Kırmızı şarabı seviyorum, ama hiç sarhoş olmadım
xAtilla88x 3 years ago
xAtilla,
Arkadasim, sen sadece 1400 yilin otesinde yasiyorsun!!! Bizim yasadigimiz yil ise MS 630lar!! Soylediklerin Arap Mustafa'ya (SAV) karsi oldugu icin seni Kureys kabilesi ve Firavunlar adina kutluyorum!!!! Essalamu verahmatullah!!! Allahuekber, Allahuekber. Allahuekber!!! Have I left any head standing??? I am so good, I am a Muslim... I am so humanist... I behead humans... I am the most humanist of all... Allahuekber!!! Allhuekber!!! Allahuekber!!!
insaniz 3 years ago
Bilimi, özgür düşünceyi seviyorum. Mürşidim kutsal addedilen kitaplar değil, bilimdir
Bütün ırkları, milletleri, cinsiyetleri eşit olarak kabul ediyorum
Eşcinsellere karşı hiçbir önyargım yok
Evlatlığım yok ama olsaydı karısına göz koymazdım
Akraba evliliğine karşıyım. Amca kızıymış , dayı kızıymış benden uzak dursun.
Katliama ve tecavüzlere ne sebeple olursa olsun karşıyım
Onurlu ve şerefli bir yaşama felsefesi rehberim olup ganimet- yağma olayları beni tiksindiriyor
Çünkü beynim var
xAtilla88x 3 years ago
The purpose of the headscarf is to rob women of their beauty so insecure men don't feel worried when they let their wives, daughters, and sisters out alone, while men can do anything. Why do so many men protest the headscarf ban? They weren't there at the feminist protests on Women's Day. They want women covered at all times so they can feel better about themselves. A woman who defends women's oppression is a traitor to all women. Only people who respect themselves will be respected by others.
xAtilla88x 3 years ago
Freedom is the blowing about your hairs.
Freedom is the laughing at the street.
Freedom is the loving.
Freedom is the listening to Beatles
Freedom is the driving car.
Freedom is the going to the Stadium.
Freedom means to be ''equal''
Freedom is the twentyfirst century,not Medieval Age.
arenasuz 3 years ago 3
yeah thats freedom for white trash...freedom in islam is to have manner and respect others and one self. not beer drinking beatles listing hores.
esytes2 3 years ago
arenasuz, freedom is also the right not to do the things you have mentioned and wear hijab if you want to.
Saadiamuslima 3 years ago
The Prohibition which prohibits prohibition is Freedom.
Freedom is blowing about your hairs.
Freedom is laughing at the street.
Freedom is loving.
Freedom is listening to Beatles ''I wanna hold your hand''
arenasuz 3 years ago 3
A woman who chooses to wear a headscarf is more dangerous than a man who forces women to wear one. Women will never achieve equality while millions of their sisters proudly glorify their own oppression. So my Turkish sisters, men can never stop you from empowering yourselves and becoming respected. The only people oppressing women in Islam are women: it's women who defend headscarves, beatings, and honor killings. It's women in Egypt who take their daughters to have their genitalia mutilated.
xAtilla88x 3 years ago
''If you Steal from someone you are not muslim''Yes,right.
Opening chapter(fateha) has been plagiarized from ''Sermon on the mount''Matt.6.13
The fasting,circumcision,Feast of Sacrifice(Abraham's Legend) adapted from Judaism,
Salah/Namaz from Hinduism.
Temple of Solomon stolen from Jews.
arenasuz 3 years ago 2
you are still a muslim with out a scarf!!
dollface40 3 years ago
If you disobey Allah you are not muslim at that time. If you Steal from someone your not muslim at that time. I will NEVER obey man. Never.
My reward is with ALLAh.
And whoever submitt to this evil, all I can say is fear Allah and may Allah have mercy on you.
This is a test to see who loves Allah more.
thewayitis 3 years ago
Atilla, I've said many times before that I have no desire to continue this discussion with you as you deliberately try to provoke me and other muslims by your defamation of the Prophets character, therefore it is not my duty to explain anything to someone who will always be anti-Islam even if it is proved to you that you are wrong. You know that by calling the prophet derogatory names you will anger Muslims so I am not going to take the bait, I am content in the knowledge that hell awaits you.
adam02benoit 3 years ago
Headscarf is the mark of enslavement.
Whenever the husband likes,he can kick his wife out only saying 'I divorce you' but woman has no right to do so.The contemporary state should embrace Human Rights and Justice.
The vast majority of women wearing headscarves are putting on because of Fear ond Oppression(dad,husband)
The Cult is based on Fear Brainwashing
Headscarf is symbol of being second class citizen Woman is deficient at witness inheritance
Cult not compatible with Democracy
arenasuz 3 years ago 2
Everything you said is false!!!
Do your research dummie
thewayitis 3 years ago
@arenasuz
Stupid Libtard
Go learn more atupid brainwashed asshole.
toni226 1 year ago 2
Ok Atilla, it's clear that you would rather rely on fantasy than facts. Even western historians state that Islam was more tolerant than Christianity in europe, but you wish it was otherwise. It is true that some muslims are intolerant but that is a recent occurance. I feel i have done my duty as a muslim, this life is short, you can choose to spend eternity in hell fire that's fine by me. I have nothing more to say to you on this matter as you are morally bankrupt.
adam02benoit 3 years ago
I agree Islam was more tolerant than Europe of the Middle Ages, but by today's standards, it's totally unacceptable. Non-Muslims have always lived in a position of inferiority and humiliation. Did you know that the Star of David patch originated in Baghdad and not Nazi Germany? Non-Muslims were even required to lower their eyes while passing Muslims or face death. What does tolerant Islam demand of atheists and those who leave Islam? I guess since I'm morally bankrupt I'm not as tolerant as you.
xAtilla88x 3 years ago
If there is hell, do you know who will be there?
Most threatening of all to women may be the Muslim understanding of rape due to Islam's restrictions on the validity of a woman's testimony. Four witnesses, who must have actually seen the rape, are required to give a woman justice. Also, a woman's testimony is worth half of that of a man. If there are not four witnesses, the raped woman is deemed a liar in the sight of God. Apparently, Muhammad wanted to make it impossible to prove rape. Why?
xAtilla88x 3 years ago
Some things the Prophet could do that was not allowed for the average Muslim. It is noted that the prophet also accepted slaves as payment for helping certain tribes, even though slavery is a sin in Islam. He accepted the slaves so that he could free them and also not offend those who had given him a slave. It was better to take the slave to free him than refuse to and have him be a slave forever. I don't know why i'm explaining this to you anyway as you are the worst type of kaffir.
adam02benoit 3 years ago
Only slavery of Muslims is a sin in Islam. Islam allows Muslims to make slaves out of anyone who is captured during war, even children of slaves to be raised as slaves
Islam allows for non-Muslims to be made slaves if captured in war. After Muslim armies attacked and conquered Spain, they took thousands of slaves back to Damascus. The key prize was 1000 virgins as slaves.
Non-Muslims who made a treaty with the ruling Muslims could be made into slaves if they didn't pay "protection" tax.
xAtilla88x 3 years ago
Aisha later went on to become the most authentic source on the Prophets life and contributed the most to the Hadith, she had nothing bad to say about him, so you can't make out she was abused. He was sent by God, no man or woman since has been sent by God, that's the difference. Here in the UK we have the highest teenage pregnancy in the world and 100,000 registered sex offenders but no one says it is because of Chritianity or secularism.
adam02benoit 3 years ago
That's because it's not coming from Christianity or secularism, but pedophilia by Muslims typically is because of Islam. Christianity doesn't allow sexual freedom but doesn't encourage pedophilia the way Islam does, and secular law doesn't have set principals, it's just the absence of religion.
Teenage pregnancy comes from poor sex education, not from religion. There's nothing wrong with encouraging teenagers to abstain from sex, but that doesn't mean ban sexual freedoms and install Sharia.
xAtilla88x 3 years ago
LOL you guys are getting really desperate. The Torah and Bible also state how people thousands of years ago did marry young. The prophet was a prophet of God and only he could marry Aisha at that age and she was given to the prophet in marriage by his own best friend, but she lived with her parents. He also married a woman twice his age. Mary gave birth to Jesus as an 11 year old and was given to Joseph in marriage who was 30 at the time. It doesn't make it ok for us normal men though.
adam02benoit 3 years ago
You're like a criminal defense lawyer when you defend a man over 50 who had sex with a 9 year old. I know it was common until relatively recently to have sex with young girls, but in Islam, it's still encouraged to imitate the behavior of Muhammad, and that is why pedophilia is so common among Muslims. It's not acceptable for people to imitate a murderer, pedophile, robber, extortionist, and barbarian, even if it's for religious reasons.
xAtilla88x 3 years ago
The matter is not being a White westerner or the white loose robed one who(male) doesnt wear underpants.What they only want to be Human and live like a Human
If those,whom you like so much,have no oil income they would starve.
But,dont worry,if you wash your brain five times in a day,you will go to Paradise where 72 virgin Fairy Girls waiting you(if you are a man,dont forget to take viagra pills) or perhaps you will take nine year-old child girl.Good Moral
arenasuz 3 years ago
As you know Shariah(desert rules) permits nine-year old child girl's marriage(I am skeptical whether marriage is correct word or not)
Please,kiss the Fairy Girls instead of me.
arenasuz 3 years ago
Sex with 9 year old girls is not only permitted in Islam, but strongly encouraged. Muslims are to imitate Muhammad's life as much as possible and Aisha became his second and favorite wife when she was 6, and began having sex with at age 9. This is why many leaders in Islamic countries like Khomeini in Iran have encouraged Muslims to marry young girls. Sadly, it was found in Afghan and Pakistani refugee camps as well as other areas that most girls were married by age 13.
xAtilla88x 3 years ago
I have nothing more to say on the matter, I don't have to defend my beliefs to people who are on the decline. Your way of life is slowly coming to an end and the world is now ready for the resurgence of political Islam. In every muslim country their are groups calling for the Caliphate to return and those groups are getting bigger, more muslims want Shariah than they want secularism you will just have to deal with that my friend.
adam02benoit 3 years ago
1. I'm not your friend
2. Who's on decline?
Support for Sharia in Turkey - 1999: 21% 2006: 9%
Can political parties be religion-based? 1999: 41% 2006: 25%
Sharia support among AKP supporters: 14%
Percent who feel secularism is threatened: 22%
Percent wearing Islamic turban (other survey says increasing): 1999: 16% 2006: 11%
The chador is becoming extinct: 1999: 3.4% 2006: 1.1% age 18-30: 0.2%
xAtilla88x 3 years ago
You say you believe in democracy but if the majority of Turks one day wanted to live under Shariah and voted for it you would try to stop it. Secular Turks are the most powerful but the least in numbers, Turkey today is only just becomming a democracy it has been a dictatorship since 1924.
adam02benoit 3 years ago
Democracy doesn't mean tyranny of the majority, it's pluralism and giving minorities protection. Respect for cultures and values other than our own is a hallmark of a civilized attitude, but if those values are destructive of our own cherished values, are we not justified in opposing them, by making sure the laws and constitution of the country are respected by all? Not all religions and cultures are equal, many have terrible values. Religion, but Islam in particular is not worthy of respect.
xAtilla88x 3 years ago
Don't worry Atilla, you wont go to heaven. You are chasing a dream of Western freedom. I converted to Islam i know what I'm talking about. To say cutting an animals throat is torture is ridiculous, surely by your thinking killing animals by any method should be wrong. God does not care or need us to do anything, we do it out of obedience and because we believe, you'll never understand that as you want to be a White westerner, but you'll always be rejected.
adam02benoit 3 years ago
Islam should be banned from schools and politics. In Iran and other Islamic countries, people are being stoned, murdered, beaten, mutilated just because they want to lead a different life style. If people want to be religious, do it elsewhere. Not in schools which are for learning and certainly not in Politics unless you want a Taliban type regime.
9karahisar 4 years ago
I agree Turkey is becomming a free and pluralist nation where people can begin to enjoy their lives, no matter which lifestyle...including conservative Islam. It is becomming this thanks to changes in the law like the lifting of the headscarf ban.
adam02benoit 4 years ago
Atilla, again you display your ignorance as though it were a badge of honour. How can you condemn halal slaughter as though it were worse than any kind of slaughter? If you think animals are similar to humans then surely you should be against all animal slaughter, period. I know if someone killed me I'd be more concerned with being killed and not so much about the method of dispatch. So I guess you're a vegan or something. Also Turkey only abolished the detah penalty a few years ago.
adam02benoit 4 years ago
No I'm not a vegetarian or vegan, but torturing animals for sacrifice? That's terrible.
The death penalty was only recently banned, but it wasn't used for some 25 years, and it wasn't used on random people, but for criminals.
But do you really think the creator of the universe cares that women wear headscarves, stay virgins, obey men, and slaughter animals? If God is that big of a pervert and asshole, I really don't want to go to heaven, the land of murderers, rapists, robbers, and perverts.
xAtilla88x 4 years ago
We join feminists in condemning a work of pornography because it degrades women, but hands off a holy book that advocates stoning adulteresses to death. Animal liberationists attack laboratories that scrupulously use anesthetics for all operations, but what about ritual slaughter houses in which animals have to be fully conscious when their throats are cut? The rest of us are expected to defend our prejudices, but ask a religious person to justify his faith and you infringe "religious liberty."
xAtilla88x 4 years ago
Also please tell me what achievements secular Turkey has made at all?
Turkey was once a great world power BECAUSE of Islam, and now it is just another European tourists play ground.
You say people will have more equality but it seems only those who hate Islam deserve equality in your opinion, that's not equality.
You're not a Muslim so shut up about the requirements of Islam, you are a Kaffir so you shouldn't bother with these things, go get drink and eat pig instead.
adam02benoit 4 years ago
Turkey already discriminates in favor of Sunni Islam, all other religions and beliefs are discriminated against. Freedom of religion can only come when it doesn't threaten freedom from religion. We already know you don't believe in either of those concepts because you want Sharia in Turkey, UK, and every other country in the world.
Turkey's achievements? It's becoming a free and pluralist nation and society, where people can enjoy their short lives, no matter which lifestyle, IN SPITE OF ISLAM.
xAtilla88x 4 years ago
Atilla you truely are the biggest ass licker the world has ever known. Both the Pakistani and Bengali female PM's WERE democratically elected. You can't claim Turkey is more democratic when the army overthrows governments that are democratically elected. Turkey is just as f***ed up as most so-called 'Muslim' countries. I find it funny how you still link Turkey to the Islamic world even though you hate Islam, make your mind up you imbecile. Also Secular Turks are proud of military victories.
adam02benoit 4 years ago
xATilla,
You are a pathetic fool and I feel sorry for you.
You are not a Muslim so you have no right to say what Muslims in a muslim country can demand.
You say you'd rather burn in hell, don't worry my friend if you continue to hold the views you do you will burn in hell for ever.
A 'Muslim' who forces other Muslim away from Islam is the greatest of all sinners and will spend eternity in the lowest pit of hell.
You rely on lies about muslims cos you hate yourself so much.
adam02benoit 4 years ago
Good thing hell doesn't actually exist.
xAtilla88x 4 years ago
What rubbish!
Pakistan and Bangladesh never banned the headscarf but they both elected female Prime Ministers and both countries implement some form of Shariah.
Who was the last female president or Prime Minister of Turkey?
Turkey thinks it is modern because it is so anti-Islam but what has Turkey achieved? NOTHING. Even Iran has managed to send a satellite into space whilst being isolated from the world, and Pakistan made the nuke.
Secular Turks go hang yourselves with bikinis!
adam02benoit 4 years ago
Tansu Ciller was our first female Prime Minister, the only democratically elected female leader in the history of the Islamic world. All the others, like in Pakistan and Bangladesh, only replaced their fathers or husbands. Don't worry, as Turkey advances and has better education, we'll have more equality and better lives for everyone here.
How nice that your "accomplishments" all seem to have to do with war and destroying the world, what nice contributions Islam has made to this world.
xAtilla88x 4 years ago