Hare Krishna kirtan by Lokanath Swami - ISKCON Mayapur 2006

[siddha83]

ISKCON is bonafide....it have its own guruparampara.bg as it is...............can you tell me raqma krishanas guru parampara

[Chhenu]

Its not RamO. Its Ram or Rama at the most. O is bengali distortion of the pure RAM.

Jai Shri RAM!!

[sg04f]

@Chhenu doesn't matter at all whether it is distorted-bengali or sanskrit, what matters is a pure heart and true devotion. Krishno or Ramo doesn't distinguish between a scholar and an unlettered. No matter what you call him he always answers to the call of a true devotee.

[Chhenu]

@sg04f, well that's right about the sincere heart. But yet, if nothing mattered there would be no need for the Vedas and the vast knowledge and spiritual sciences. So you can't lump all the fallacies and shortcomings into one and call it doesn't matter. If all that didn't matter, Krishna and the pandavas wouldn't bother going to the Gurukulas. Everything matters dear. And yet you are right - a sincere heart is most important. Still correct that RamO thing its calling the president as persidend!

[sg04f]

@Chhenu Yes true if it was a Sanskrit test then Rama or Ramo would have mattered - but at a place of worship it does NOT matter at all.

You are wham on the point "would be no need for the Vedas and the vast knowledge and spiritual sciences" !!! In fact Chaitanya and Prabhupada preached bhakti yoga which does not require you to know even sanskrit, leave aside vedas. All that is required is unwaivering faith.

[Chhenu]

@sg04f, Yes. So why so many books that BBT is publishing?? Why this dualism? Double standard!? Bhakti doesn't require education. So why so many books? Why so much quote unquote? Why quote the scriptures?

The ancient and most revered and respected Vedic Rishis did immense research into the secrets of the universe, brought spiritual and material sciences for the benefit of people. All that is knowledge too. And one has to be "correct" in knowledge. Not everything goes..

[sg04f]

@Chhenu I think you the missing the point completely. There is no problem with BBT publishing whatever they want to publish. But that is not to say that if you are not well versed in their materials you wont realize god. and the reason why I quoted Gita is because I wanted to give you a taste of your own medicine -- knowledge of Vedas in NOT a must. If you are possessor of such esoteric knowledge fine o/w there are alternative recourses.

[Chhenu]

@sg04f, "knowledge of vedas is not a must" - here is the biggest hypocrisy of the Hare Krishnas - LOL! Then why advertise yourself as "Vedic"?? I went upto the BBT stall within Vrindavan Iskcon temple. It was vividly advertised in bold letters "VEDIC BOOKS". I asked do you have the Vedas or part of it? They said NO! We don't keep any Vedas. I said I thought this was Vedic books! ;) So you use VEDIC and VEDAS to advertise and push authority but don't read the Vedas! - Double standard!

[sg04f]

@Chhenu you are totally hijacking my point and using it to push your agenda -- i.e. how bad HKs are and how good conservative militant right group hindu fundamentalists are. My point is Vedas are NOT at all essential to reach God/ attain God realization and used Ramakrishna's example (I don't care what HK does ie whether or not they believe in him) to drive that point.

[Chhenu]

@sg04f, "conservative militant right group hindu fundamentalists" - LOL!! Why did you make that up??? Anybody who's a Hindu can't be labeled that!! That sounds like the Chrislamic forces propaganda in India. lol..!

oh no fight dear. I'm just debating. Shastrarth. Yes Mantra IS important. Bhakti is no separate. If mantra wasn't important, Chaitanya Nimai wouldn't hail importance of hare Krishna mantra to his followers either. Every sampradaya is following a mantra. Just do it more correctly.

[sg04f]

@Chhenu In fact as you may or may not know Sri Ramakrishna was an illiterate man who had no training in the holy scriptures and to the best of my knowledge he had more understanding about religion and God than many Sanskrit Pandits. Vedas Geeta etc are there for those who can assimilate it and for those who can't there are alterntive routes like bhakti yoga and karma yoga.

"So you can't lump all the fallacies and shortcomings into one and call it doesn't matter" -- what was fallacious here?

[Chhenu]

@sg04f, Ramakrishna was an illiterate in terms of schooling, yet he was educated in the spiritual science. Sanskrit is a language worth well respecting. Its the language of the gods. Yes you are right about Vedas for those who have higher understanding and can assimilate it. The fallacy is in the non understanding of the mantra sound pronunciation of beej akshara RAM. Adding vowel sound O is not pure sound vibration of the beej mantra RAM. But this is for Mantra Shastris who understand.

[sg04f]

@Chhenu Ramakrishna did not know Sanskrit too, and he(or Vivekananda, who knew Sanskrit well ) never emphasized on the knowledge of Sanskrit either. Now if you say you know more than them -- then its a different story altogether.

[Chhenu]

@sg04f, Do you accept Shri Ramakrishna Paramhansa and shri Vivekananda's authority since you are quoting them for validation of your thought??

I know proper Vedic mantra yoga. Besides complete faith, mantra pronunciation should be proper. Sound vibration is also important. improper sound vibration reduces the result for sure. Know this. This is known to the yogis who hear the Nada. One can't simply mispronounce and justify it with bhakti.

[sg04f]

@Chhenu "..Krishna and the pandavas wouldn't bother going to the Gurukulas..." -- this is an entirely differnt thing. Firstly you cannot compare Krishna with common mortals. Secondly going to gurukul was the norm of the day, its like sending kids to universities and colleges.

Any parent would want their kids to get a good education Pandavas or not. That is not to say that just because a kid did not receive proper education his path to enlightment is blocked.

[sg04f]

@Chhenu "correct that RamO thing its calling the president as persidend!" -- Once again you confuse God with president -- God is God and president is president and they are on two different scales and cannot be comapred. I would like to draw you attention to the famous lines from the Gita which was also quoted by Swami Vivekananda at the parliament of religions, which drives home the same point.

[sg04f]

@Chhenu "Whosoever comes to Me, through whatsoever form, I reach him; all men are struggling through paths which in the end lead to me"

"As the different streams having their sources in different places all mingle their water in the sea, so, O Lord, the different paths which men take through different tendencies, various though they appear, crooked or straight, all lead to Thee.”

[Chhenu]

@sg04f, I can never be astonished enough on the double standards and sheer hypocrisy of the Hare Krishnas. Why should you quote Swami Vivekananda when you never accepted him? Why quote Ramakrishna Paramhansa when you abuse and disbelieve in him? President and persidend - word comparison is not a comparison of God and President, but refers to grammatical difference and impurity of word SOUND that is so important for Mantra yoga that modern day cults  don't have in-depth understanding of.

[sg04f]

@Chhenu Be a bit gentle on the HK guys, because I do not belong to that group. I eat beef and believe in God in my own way. So dont start blasting the poor HK followers as they are not part of this fray. True Mantra yoga is imp but its NOT the only path. There is life beyond MYoga and thats my point

[Chhenu]

@sg04f, since you eat beef, and believe in God in your own way, there is no point debating about mantra yoga with you dear. Bhakti is ok. Plz continue believing in your God. Wish you well.

[sg04f]

@Chhenu Thank I wish you well too. I did not mean to pick a fight with you all I wanted was a bit of argumentation. After all debate was a part of ancient vedic traditions ... dont you agree? even the Upanishads say "Neti Neti Neti iti " : ) Yes true if you want to follow Mantra yoga its is of extreme importance that you enunciate things right but not for Bhakti Yoga.

[Chhenu]

@sg04f, n yes Narayan/Krishna says "Whosoever comes to Me, through whatsoever form, I reach him; all men are struggling through paths which in the end lead to me" - so why this putting down of other paths by the hare Krishnas?? Needless to say that HK do not fully accept Krishna's words or B.G. canceling many aspects that oh Krishna told this for the other groups like yogis etc.. But what we do is the best only. Krishna gives full knowledge in B.G. Sects accept only partial.

[sg04f]

@Chhenu I am not sure where you found "that HK do not fully accept Krishna's words.." Source please..

[Chhenu]

@sg04f, hundreds of examples where HKs don't accept fully Krishna or follow. One example is Shiva worship! One example is Lord Krishna's opinion about Lord Shiva that radically differs from those of the HKs. anyways.. cults and sects are narrow minded and have their limitations. Good HK are into Bhakti and are trying.

[siddha83]

@Chhenu rama krishna is a cult we have our roots in in the vedas if you want debut with ISKCON schorlars............

what guru parampara he is from tell me .he was just a mental spaculator

[Chhenu]

@siddha83, well all that is arguable. You may have some roots in Vedas in the light that you accept Krishna/Vishnu. THAT'S IT!! Your real roots are in the 400-500 year old Chaitanya sub sampradaya of Gaudiya Vaishnavism. It is not "debut" but debate dear. I've debated many Prabhupad disciples in the past. Limited mindset. You guys don't read Vedas and don't accept everything in there. Know your limitations dear and stop judging others. Hare Krishna is as cult as the Rama Krsna!

[PRISHNEEL1]

hare krishna

[13chandni]

Brilliant..

Hari Hari Bol..

[suevan]

This is just sooo amazing.. its overwhelming..

[nimaicharan]

Pranams. Thank you for sharing!

[gopinathdasa108]

The chanting of the Hare Krishna mantra is such a powerful transcendental method that it surpasses all other methods of transcendental realizations. Take care. Haribol.

[harekrsna29]

wow this is amazing

[Amarork]

lovin the trumpet... haribol

[sannadestry]

Gooooooooooood!!! Haribol!