Okay wait why are people comparing Flyleaf to Otep?...They are both great bands but they aren't anywhere near eachother..Flyleaf is um more mellow..by alot XD
And to the people who say Flyleaf or Otep sucks..no they don't D:
OTEP is definately not EMO. And far, very far from 'mainstream'. Otep stands for something. Otep stands for what they truly believe in and is not afraid to show it. Otep is out to help people who feel low of themselves. if you watch any of her interviews, she clearly states that. and clearly states that this band is METAL! before you call an amazing, meaningful, true band emo, GET YOUR RESEARCH DONE AND MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!
Emo was good back when people actually knew what it was.
Now people call everything from alternative to screamo emo when it's just not. Learn you genres people! And not every single band that screams is screamo either. In fact very few of them are. Ignorant humans I hope Otep eats you.
Wow, music is music. Fuck putting it into specific genres. Just enjoy the music. There's always going to be people who's opinions differ upon what genre a band's labeled under.
so NOT EMO~ that is an insult, this genre of metal is an art form, and very few musicians have mastered it. it is beautifully crafted and lyrically composed, if you don't have an ear for it than please just listen to some justin bieber.
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@crawltoyota4x4 you sure took offense to my comment, funny i dont take offense to you calling me a retard. your entitled to your opinion, as i am to mine. i will even go as far as calling it tedious, and to define that i mean ; Tiresome by reason of length, slowness, or dullness; boring.
this makes me wanna get in my car and drive,,,,right into the livingroom of the..insert MANY cuss words...of the cuss cuss cuss....fuck face that i used to call my boyfriend. drive right thru that couch youre freakin growing fat and old on...right now...
Some people may say otep sucks because this is fucking youtube...what do you expect? Everyone is entitled to their own opionion....i love otep.. sometime i feel as if i LIVE AND BREATH just to be saved by her lyrics. that's "safe place/sanctuary" she talks about...she is mine. but anyways, let people have their own OPINION...because that's all it is, is an opionion and they have that right.
whats the problem just because their christian doesn't mean they suck and don't be thinking i'm christian too cause i'm far from it i'm a wiccan so suck my big black fifteen inch dick you fucking bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!
@starfleet2scoutship I happen to be a fan of both bands, and just because you dislike them doesn't give you the right to criticize them. And they don't consider theirselves a metal band. I know, I've talked to the bass player.
@starfleet2scoutship I don't care if you hate them, but don't you have anything better to do then look up things you hate just to tell people about what you think? >.>
@IchiMoon14 Excuse me? I am on an OTEP video, not a Flyleaf.
So how the fuck am I looking them up you fucking cunt.? I'm not on their damn video, talking shit to their fans, so fuck you, dude. You don't know what the fuck your talking about.
@starfleet2scoutship No use getting steamed up and using cuss words to show you're angry. And I think it's just unnecessary to mention that you hate them(and just because you hate them doesn't mean they suck, it's just YOUR opinion) because it doesn't do anyone any good.
you fucks, this isnt flyleaf its nothing like it. flyleaf is pussy version of metal. and otep is for real. if u listen to flyleaf... get the hell off the otep videos because your not good enough for them.
umm i dont understand how you think you can call other people posers when you listen to all different types of rock i mean i like all types of rock but dont be a hypocrite
Otep is amazing and this is one of my favorite songs of the album The Ascension. <3 That and "Confrontation". Her and her band have so many great albums. But yeah this song is just awesome, I love how it sounds so dark.
And for the Flyleaf thing, that band isn't even metal so I don't know why people are comparing that band to Otep.
the bitch from Flyleaf CANT scream or growl like Otep! r u kiddin me? i dare anyone to sa Flyleaf can scream! she aint shit but some stupid lil band like paramore. idc if u like those bands or not, THEY BOTH SUCK AND DONT COMPARE THEM TO OTEP! point made!
god i hate it when ppl say those pissant lil "pop rock/punk-emo" bands with females as the lead singer scream the best. they dont have shit on female vocalists that can actually scream louder than a dude!
"clap calp clap" fuck YES thank you.. im so glad someone out there has a good opinIon, you my friend are 100% RIGHT! FUCK THEM DONT WORRY.. NORMALLY I DONT REPY TO COMENTS BUT URS JUST NEEDED A "YES SIRRE" THANK YOU!
Just like my bf said, I'd love to see Otep have an unscripted spur-of-the-moment poetry square-off with Corey Taylor of Slipknot. That would be awesome. Two amazing lyricists up against each other in a battle of words. Otep rocks!
go cry somewhere else about your parents taking your shit you little emo bitches...this song has a deeper meaning but you wont see it you hear what applies to you and think this song applies to your "suffering" from being grounded... stupid spoiled brats
if this song is too emo for your tasting why would you come back and tell me to eat a dick? is it because mommy and daddy grounded you for being gay and you want to listen to this song to make yourself feel better?
haha you tell em roach!!!!! Like it was said befor you dipshits, listen to the damn song idiots, its not about your "horrible" parents you emo fucks geeeez
I doubt this is their actually music video. They wouldn't have random bits of that Snow girl from Hairspray in their vid. They are too metal for that.
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coyoung67 3 months ago
Flyleaf and Otep are both great.
foghead46 3 months ago
Okay wait why are people comparing Flyleaf to Otep?...They are both great bands but they aren't anywhere near eachother..Flyleaf is um more mellow..by alot XD
And to the people who say Flyleaf or Otep sucks..no they don't D:
xXradioactiveloverXx 6 months ago 4
Hhahahahahahhaaha Emo my fucking ass
Starotepmansonblades 6 months ago
OTEP is definately not EMO. And far, very far from 'mainstream'. Otep stands for something. Otep stands for what they truly believe in and is not afraid to show it. Otep is out to help people who feel low of themselves. if you watch any of her interviews, she clearly states that. and clearly states that this band is METAL! before you call an amazing, meaningful, true band emo, GET YOUR RESEARCH DONE AND MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!
crawltoyota4x4 8 months ago
Lmao no one even knows what emo is anymore.
Emo was good back when people actually knew what it was.
Now people call everything from alternative to screamo emo when it's just not. Learn you genres people! And not every single band that screams is screamo either. In fact very few of them are. Ignorant humans I hope Otep eats you.
cannibalchild9 8 months ago 2
Wow, music is music. Fuck putting it into specific genres. Just enjoy the music. There's always going to be people who's opinions differ upon what genre a band's labeled under.
reaperrules98 9 months ago
so NOT EMO~ that is an insult, this genre of metal is an art form, and very few musicians have mastered it. it is beautifully crafted and lyrically composed, if you don't have an ear for it than please just listen to some justin bieber.
cottoncandygirl978 9 months ago 2
its metal core... have these people even heard emo?
HeadbangingTom 10 months ago
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MrMichelleAnthony 11 months ago
Love it or Hate it, Otep is here to stay.
hybridhellchild 1 year ago 3
mainstream and emo for sure !
Ogginokk 1 year ago
@Ogginokk you are deffinately a retard. GET YOUR RESEARCH DONE
crawltoyota4x4 8 months ago
@crawltoyota4x4 you sure took offense to my comment, funny i dont take offense to you calling me a retard. your entitled to your opinion, as i am to mine. i will even go as far as calling it tedious, and to define that i mean ; Tiresome by reason of length, slowness, or dullness; boring.
Ogginokk 8 months ago
@deadbabylollip1 it may not be emo, but it certainly isnt metal either, at least not pure metal.
MNpatriot1776 1 year ago
@MNpatriot1776 Thrash metal
JonasHamill 1 year ago
@JonasHamill this isnt thrash lol
MNpatriot1776 1 year ago
yea why is flyleaf is the conversation with otep? lets talk about hanna montana while were at it
Zach1030 1 year ago 4
Movie clips in this video - On The Doll
lolSoloCreep 1 year ago
>:{ I Eat Scene And Emos Are My Slavesss!!! -.-
GothicBish 1 year ago
this makes me wanna get in my car and drive,,,,right into the livingroom of the..insert MANY cuss words...of the cuss cuss cuss....fuck face that i used to call my boyfriend. drive right thru that couch youre freakin growing fat and old on...right now...
MsPsychobunny 1 year ago
@deadbabylollipop1 acttually they are a fusion band but yeah deffinately NOT EMO. lol emos like death cab for cutie and the postal service isnt it?
becca182fbtw 1 year ago
Some people may say otep sucks because this is fucking youtube...what do you expect? Everyone is entitled to their own opionion....i love otep.. sometime i feel as if i LIVE AND BREATH just to be saved by her lyrics. that's "safe place/sanctuary" she talks about...she is mine. but anyways, let people have their own OPINION...because that's all it is, is an opionion and they have that right.
taratoys3 1 year ago
Flyleaf is considered a christian band. why are they comparing the two?
EmoE8590 1 year ago
sucks
e4m2a0n 1 year ago
Fuck "Flyleaf"!
Seth6581 1 year ago
fucking amazing
EMOKIDBFMV69 1 year ago
what movie was that?
Viciouspiked 1 year ago
@Viciouspiked "on the doll" i think
becca182fbtw 1 year ago
this bitch is BAD. slipknot rules 6(sic)6
lushmichael 1 year ago
@lushmichael emm...what are you doing here?..slipknot?..like come on..
Shehdginger 1 year ago
GUitar work & everything else is good. i'm not sure if i like the chick singer. i'm kind of half & half on this band
toolismyfavband 1 year ago
Scream 0 Rocks!!!!!! :D
ZooREka3432 1 year ago
@ZooREka3432 The day Ot3p is considered screamo is the day Hitler rises from the dead! Fucking prick!
TheSeasonofmists 1 year ago 2
What movie is that in the little clips?
InsanEMetal654 1 year ago
the doll it says it at the begging ;) @InsanEMetal654
lilmilf101 1 year ago
i love thAT WOMAN YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MrWildman3 2 years ago 5
she's great
imurbeeatch 2 years ago 3
I would kill to be able to scream like her. Nice to see a female metal vocalist with talent!!! And flyleaf doesn't compare!!! LOL seriously.
Shewants7 2 years ago 11
flyleaf isnt really metal though
sonotahippie 2 years ago
She's a rape victim you idiot! Know the material befor you brand it.
Shewants7 2 years ago 3
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there a good band but there ego's ruined everything about this band
dickeybrian9 2 years ago
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i saw flyleaf once
beaterofmeat 2 years ago
smearing shit everywhere
would you hear lyrics like that from a band like flyleaf opr an "emo" band? i don fuckin think so..
comntersrfkinghey 2 years ago 7
Saw them recently SO AWESOME.
i love er!!!
flyleaf sucks a fat dick, they're a christian "metal" band!! no way those two words weren't meant to ever be put together!!
starfleet2scoutship 2 years ago
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whats the problem just because their christian doesn't mean they suck and don't be thinking i'm christian too cause i'm far from it i'm a wiccan so suck my big black fifteen inch dick you fucking bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!
scootertrash101 2 years ago
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Your mother didn't hug you enough did she?
Shut the fuck up,
they suck....
you suck.
starfleet2scoutship 2 years ago
and i'm a chick and i really don't have a dick it's just a sayin
scootertrash101 1 year ago
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scootertrash101 1 year ago
i didn't mean to yell at you it's just that it's kinda harsh to diss a band just because of their religion sorry peace
scootertrash101 1 year ago
@starfleet2scoutship I happen to be a fan of both bands, and just because you dislike them doesn't give you the right to criticize them. And they don't consider theirselves a metal band. I know, I've talked to the bass player.
IchiMoon14 1 year ago
@IchiMoon14 I don't have the right to criticize them? The hell I don't. I have every right to. Big deal, I hate them. They suck.
starfleet2scoutship 1 year ago
@starfleet2scoutship I don't care if you hate them, but don't you have anything better to do then look up things you hate just to tell people about what you think? >.>
IchiMoon14 1 year ago
@IchiMoon14 Excuse me? I am on an OTEP video, not a Flyleaf.
So how the fuck am I looking them up you fucking cunt.? I'm not on their damn video, talking shit to their fans, so fuck you, dude. You don't know what the fuck your talking about.
starfleet2scoutship 1 year ago
@starfleet2scoutship No use getting steamed up and using cuss words to show you're angry. And I think it's just unnecessary to mention that you hate them(and just because you hate them doesn't mean they suck, it's just YOUR opinion) because it doesn't do anyone any good.
IchiMoon14 1 year ago
They are coming here on Halloween.
chloetheninja123 2 years ago
Where are they going to be? :O <3<3
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Bawbisfuckingmagic 2 years ago
LMAO! Flyleaf = Metal? FAIL! Flyleaf isn't metal, they are rock at best. I laugh at all you noobs saying they are a "pussy version of metal".
unholyXromance 2 years ago 14
Seriously... Flyleaf isnt even close to metal...
MetalPrincess23 2 years ago 44
indeed, t'is what I said.
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Bawbisfuckingmagic 2 years ago
that's it!
I have just made it official that Otep Shamaya is one of my idols!
JordynlovesMShadows 2 years ago 6
and to the bitch who thinks she can scream like she does is an idiot. if your so great, post a video. if not...shut the hell up.
Xxemobabe13xX 2 years ago 6
you fucks, this isnt flyleaf its nothing like it. flyleaf is pussy version of metal. and otep is for real. if u listen to flyleaf... get the hell off the otep videos because your not good enough for them.
Xxemobabe13xX 2 years ago 2
umm i dont understand how you think you can call other people posers when you listen to all different types of rock i mean i like all types of rock but dont be a hypocrite
metalmaniac117 2 years ago
i didnt say the word posers
Xxemobabe13xX 2 years ago
"flyleaf is pussy version of metal."
WRONG.
Flyleaf isNOT metal at all. I likeboth bands, but they are very different.
aworange91 2 years ago 10
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Xxemobabe13xX 2 years ago
Flyleaf is a pussy and any one who thinks that she is metal really needs to pull there trendy heads out of there asses
natasxeslived 2 years ago 8
hey name is Shamaya
deadbodylette8208 2 years ago 5
whats Otep's real name?
musicfan872 2 years ago
i mean her full name
musicfan872 2 years ago
otep shamaya
DETHFROMTHEGRAVE666 2 years ago
i think its shamaya lol i could very well be wrong though lol
JohnnyFilth30 2 years ago
lol,yeah i was so close to getting tickets to seein them
musicfan872 2 years ago
I paid 20 bucks to see them at the pearl room in mokeeno illinois
yummyzhairspray 2 years ago
the best friggin singer i know!! NOONE CAN SCREAM LIKE OTEP! LOVE OTEP
campanime 2 years ago
Otep is amazing and this is one of my favorite songs of the album The Ascension. <3 That and "Confrontation". Her and her band have so many great albums. But yeah this song is just awesome, I love how it sounds so dark.
And for the Flyleaf thing, that band isn't even metal so I don't know why people are comparing that band to Otep.
But yeah, anyways, rock on Otep.
Kaicoyote 2 years ago
i can screm like her...easly
paigeandolivia 2 years ago
the bitch from Flyleaf CANT scream or growl like Otep! r u kiddin me? i dare anyone to sa Flyleaf can scream! she aint shit but some stupid lil band like paramore. idc if u like those bands or not, THEY BOTH SUCK AND DONT COMPARE THEM TO OTEP! point made!
god i hate it when ppl say those pissant lil "pop rock/punk-emo" bands with females as the lead singer scream the best. they dont have shit on female vocalists that can actually scream louder than a dude!
freakondaleash91 2 years ago
"clap calp clap" fuck YES thank you.. im so glad someone out there has a good opinIon, you my friend are 100% RIGHT! FUCK THEM DONT WORRY.. NORMALLY I DONT REPY TO COMENTS BUT URS JUST NEEDED A "YES SIRRE" THANK YOU!
GoreWhoreNemesis 2 years ago
lol i just speaking the truth! ty!
freakondaleash91 2 years ago
I agree!
Itr insanely hard to sound anything like her!
Flyleaf is nothing compared to otep!
XoXcutieXoX199 2 years ago
try The Agonist, you might like them if you like Otep ;)
Kudosdrag 2 years ago 2
she fucking rocks.
(:
breeohsofly 2 years ago
I LOVE OTEP :D
HappytreeeeFISH 2 years ago
Flyleaf doesent even scream that often in her music. Even then only in two/three songs on her ONLY album. Otep kicks her ass anyday
xXPoisonBlackXx 2 years ago 7
It kills me how everyone thinks the girl in Flyleaf is the best screamer, but Otep totally pwns Flyleaf..
BriannaTheBrutal 2 years ago 12
the chick from arch enemy is pretty damn good to
celldweller1986 2 years ago
I know right. xD
barrbrat 2 years ago
otep ftw =)
frenchhornmaster03 2 years ago
Otep curbstomps, crushes and sets fire to flyleaf!
kingpimpbob 2 years ago 5
THIS IS MY FUCKING ANTHEM!!!!!
gunnels2010 2 years ago 2
they rock!!! as does she ^^
orgyfanx 2 years ago 2
I just cant get enough of Otep Shamaya
mansonchik27 2 years ago 2
I havent heard one song from otep that i havent liked, i love her growls more than anything!!!!!!!
mansonchik27 2 years ago
Is that from a movie or is it there video they made? like i know its there music vid but the vids inside? from sum indie film?
scammersmustdie 2 years ago
Yea, its called "On The Doll"
criss54321 2 years ago
Just like my bf said, I'd love to see Otep have an unscripted spur-of-the-moment poetry square-off with Corey Taylor of Slipknot. That would be awesome. Two amazing lyricists up against each other in a battle of words. Otep rocks!
machinegunromantic 2 years ago
Otep would win hands down
Squiggle420 2 years ago
I love Otep but I wouldn't go that far...
Buffalokng 2 years ago
that would be incredible....
Corey's kinda not the same anymore though...
Buffalokng 2 years ago
I fucking love this song!!!
MAPP1010 2 years ago
go cry somewhere else about your parents taking your shit you little emo bitches...this song has a deeper meaning but you wont see it you hear what applies to you and think this song applies to your "suffering" from being grounded... stupid spoiled brats
roach666420 2 years ago
hey roach666 wow too many #, go eat a dick!
nflfreak13 2 years ago
if this song is too emo for your tasting why would you come back and tell me to eat a dick? is it because mommy and daddy grounded you for being gay and you want to listen to this song to make yourself feel better?
roach666420 2 years ago
haha you tell em roach!!!!! Like it was said befor you dipshits, listen to the damn song idiots, its not about your "horrible" parents you emo fucks geeeez
mansonchik27 2 years ago
LOL, i hate little emo bitches. Let them cry alone with the lights off.
HeadofMetal84 2 years ago 3
im a little emo bitch. so go f urself
Xxemobabe13xX 2 years ago 3
put those retards in there place.
scammersmustdie 2 years ago
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they are a little to bit emo for my tasting. i would tap that tho
nflfreak13 2 years ago
wtf they are so not emo!and you are sick!!!!
AmyTamagotchi 2 years ago
awesome fuqin song!
ladyballa42 2 years ago
like she says "they've taken everything.". just like my parents have done to me...
shadowlover92 2 years ago
go go tara lol
amazontheartisrt 2 years ago
tara wtf is wrong with you i like otep but damn thats getting out there with it
nipitinthebud420 2 years ago
na no phone well i do but its a piece of crap and its outta mins plus the light doesn't turn off lol so no not really
764395182 2 years ago
I dream of making love to my man to this song. To this song, I pretend we go and punish evil people.
TaraZatara 2 years ago 6
Well said, punish evil people! The satifaction from that would be.....like......a different kind of evil?! LOL!
madamecobalt 2 years ago 3
ha! that comment made my day :)
chels674 2 years ago 2
fuckin' awsome
anttijappinen 2 years ago 2
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Lame. its the same riff as Ghost flowers if you listen to the opening.
xixlovexrazorsx 2 years ago
This is the sickest video ever if i had a phone id put it on as my x's ring tone
SkateInjoy 2 years ago
u dont have a phone??
KristianLynggaard 2 years ago 3
lawl i dnt have a phone either. =o
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TaraZatara 2 years ago
WHATTTTT else could you need youve taken EVERYTHINGGGGGGGG
smithers262 2 years ago
i loe this song and video!! XD
Tis my cell / mobile fone ringtone ;p w00t!
angelofheavens 2 years ago 2
I LOve This Fuckin' Song!!!!!!!!!!!!
metalcoregurl 3 years ago 6
i saw on the doll and i dont remember ever hearing this song in it..
eshasaur15 3 years ago
it may have been in the credits, thats what they do with a lot of songs
greenxeyedxstranger 3 years ago
it is in the movie, i dont remember wich part, but i remmeber going "oh its Otep" XD
but it was short
deehmon 3 years ago
does anyone else think tht the guitarist looks like a troll/bear?!?!?!
anyway tht dood hella rocks!
liplessspeech 3 years ago
"Well-Behaved women rarely make history."
Did anyone else see that at the biggining?
vjsieuthtnfnxjsduigy 3 years ago 6
yep 0:18
youalldisgustme 3 years ago
Actually I was right.
The movie that the clips are taken from is caleld On the Doll. The actress Brittany Snow is on it. Personally I would dig seeing it.
lovexmakesxtears 3 years ago
I doubt this is their actually music video. They wouldn't have random bits of that Snow girl from Hairspray in their vid. They are too metal for that.
lovexmakesxtears 3 years ago
well actually it is cuase the song is from the soundtrack of the movie, and if u seen the movie ud understand why its in it
deehmon 3 years ago
i love the song,
first screamer thats a girl
that i have heard.
its good =]
scenequeenbunny 3 years ago
There's plenty more.
lamelishoo 2 years ago
Oh okay. Nvm then. The sux thou, It looked like a good movie.
zicana11 3 years ago
It's a music video I think, it says it was a music video on their website and myspace page
jhonen32629 3 years ago
Hey. Could you tell me what the movie mixed in is? It looks cool, so I wanna watch.
zicana11 3 years ago
I'm pretty sure this isn't a movie. Definitly a music video.
provokedash 3 years ago
the movie is called On the Doll
deehmon 3 years ago
great song, its been stuck in my head for the past week though:/
MacabreMarionette 3 years ago
is this the actuall music video? or just a bunch of edited videos put together? its very good, dont mistaken me
random123xoxo 3 years ago
the actuall vid, soundtrack of the movie on the doll
deehmon 3 years ago
Otep fucking rocks!!!!!!!!1
metalgrl34 3 years ago
Fuck! i fucken love OT3P! pure aggressive power! o_O\m/
SpooksUrLady 3 years ago
WHY!?!?!?! ELSE COULD YOU NEED? YOU'VE TAKEN EV-RY-THINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love the chorus.
MaggotSoldier666 3 years ago
spelling correcton WHY --> WHAT
MaggotSoldier666 3 years ago
angela gossow is hotter
chidorikakashi 3 years ago
hmmm idk. when shes painted up then no. but when shes not painted up then yea.
archenemywewillrise 3 years ago
PLease check out my vid.
I did a cover. (:
thanks.
I know it could never compare to her though
missbrijimenez94 3 years ago
I love this song and yesh she is totaly hot. i'd personally say sexiii.
xXSugrxLipsXx 3 years ago
hell ya she is jake
cronomancer69 3 years ago
shes so hot.
Jake1479 3 years ago
the chorus is best part
Aliownz3467 3 years ago
I love this song but the video has lost me..
what??
Does anyone know wtf it's about?
flo123456 3 years ago
otep is my F****** favourite band ever
butthead824 3 years ago
dude otpe shamaya is insane
InThisFarewell09 3 years ago 2
My favotite songs by Otep!
They rock! \m/
charmedvamp 3 years ago 2
My fav song for sure, but I'm trying to understand the video..
Ramlalala 3 years ago
Awesome vid!
n i really love her voice!!
glog89 3 years ago
I'd love to see these guys live. And steal the bassist's bass.
ArrestedByFire 3 years ago
awesome video
PICKLES740 3 years ago