Every time I watch this I cant believe they chose the vette. Always makes me feel good when a non american show pics an american car. Now If they would have replaced the 997 turbo with the 997 gt3 I think the P car would have won. Thats the only car I would sell my Z06 for.
@ts19840310 Enough of this bullshit. Modern American sports cars are engineered to handle as well. The 2012 corvette Zr1 lapped the nurburging faster than a FERRARI ENZO. The corvette Z06 is faster than the nissan GTR AND ferrari f430 around the ring as well. The new camaro ZL1 has run the ring in a blistering 7:41 which is faster than a pagani zonda S, 911 turbo GT3, AND audi R8 V10. Im sick of the prejudice as we Americans have more than proved ourselves.
@nickh Probably a 250 or 275... those are all just delicious. Prettier than the Daytona for my money. The GT California was pretty great looking too. Cameron's dad knew what he was doing.
its true..american car are junk..so the corvette too..handling sux..7 litre just can do powerslide?? wasting fuel.. its junk..why he chose 997 turbo?997 lame car..you can get all the fun in half price...GTR R35..better acceleration,cornering..599 too expensive..but in this vid,,,,i prefer more Ferrari..
The ZO6 is a great race car as well as an everyday car, something the ferarri isn't. Tiff gets one thing wrong tho'. the vette does 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. Great sound as well, awesome V8!!!
@dhiraj12378 are they Australian? Agreed, they don't have the same "something" of Top Gear. Are these fellows also journalists (like the guys on Top Gear)?
@aminevich Why would you say they're Australian?? For the record the older gentleman in this clip is Tiff Needell. Ex F1 driver. He was also on Top Gear back in the early days.
This was the award for 2006. 5 years ago. Corvettes are actually very good handling sports cars and replacement motors (if needed) can be bought for about 10th of the price of the others. I would have selected the 997 Turbo but all 3 cars were very good for the year.
@aminevich Why would you say they're Australian?? For the record the older gentleman in this clip is Tiff Needell. Ex F1 driver. He was also on Top Gear back in the early days. The other guy is Jason Plato. Another racer.
This was the award for 2006. 5 years ago. Corvettes are actually very good handling sports cars and replacement motors (if needed) can be bought for about 10th of the price of the others. I would have selected the 997 Turbo but all 3 cars were very good for the year.
well for one, even the 500hp viper was a better car, I've driven both. and the other 2 cars they compared to are better as well. z06 is a good poor mans sports car but now, you'd be best getting a nissan GT-R
@thnk4urself I saw a Nissan GT-R the other day. It looks like a slippery sedan. It was very disappointing. Though it is fast it doesn't look like a super car.....it doesn't! People complaining, there all nice so it's all good! Personal preference - Porsche. Im American.
Dont bash 5th Gear and say that Top Gear is better. There just different. 5th Gear comments on the lack of quality in American cars. Top Gear brings American cars on there show for the sake of talking shit! Peace
The more I see this the more ridiculous it gets. Car of the year based on it being "a bit of a surprise", cute, but not really a compliment. There is also absolutely NOTHING high tech about the Corvette's engine.
I also love the way everyone says Top Gear is biased for telling a car how it is and how it behaves with a normal person behind the wheel. If the ZR1 gets a bad Fifth Gear write up they'll be crowned biased too. Honesty in the American sense is just hearing what they like, not true.
@StuRaz Ever hear of K.I.S.S- Keep It Simple Stupid. The LSx engine series may be "low tech", but it's light, narrow package (no OHC's to make it wide) that can make huge power. That's why it's put in everything from Corvettes to Trucks... because it's effective.
@stlchucko OHV engines are smaller but that's not an innovative feature, that just an upside to using them, as is being light. But more than anything they're used because they're cheap, they're not fooling anyone.
@StuRaz OHC and pushrod motors (other than flatheads) are both OHV (V=valve), but I know what you meant. It is cheaper to build a low rpm pushrod motor than a OHC. The LS7 is a 427 (7L) that revs to 7k rpm and has a 100,000 mile warantee. It's also available as a crate engine. Check out the specs and and tell me... do low tech engines use titanium, dry sumps and CNC ported heads.
@stlchucko That doesn't matter. That's like saying if I built a wheelbarrow out of titanium or carbon fibre it would be uber high tech. It's still the same thing.
@StuRaz ....i dont think it was based on high tech points....it was basically based on the fact that this is the first corvette that can actually hang with the big supercars names and its cheap......dude i love both fifth and top gear....nobody is biased, everybody is entitle to his or her own opinion. They use cheap materials because the the car is cheap, you pay for what you get, but with corvette you get the extra surprise, the performance of supercars...!!
@vedgardo He said "a super hight tech 7.0l V8" even though there is nothing high tech about it at all.
Everything about the car is cheap so you're right, but performance is sort of a point of view. Yes it can set good laps but it's so bad to drive you'd need to be someone like Tiff Needel to get near them.
@StuRaz ...dude it's a high tech engine in the fact that is one of the first small block engines to reach 7.0L 427cubic inch without passing to the next stage which is a big block engine. Before this only heavy big blocks achieve this kind of power, so in fact is actually a marble of engineering just like any other engine be a gtr engine with its 3.5L TT or 575Maranello with its 5748cc engine. I drive one everyday and for me is as good as any euro or jap car and i had all three cars.
@StuRaz ...then a DOHC 4.3L V8 that produces 483HP at 8500rpm, is just another engine, theres nothing exiting or high tech about. just the fact that it can produce that kind of power is amazing...you do you know what kind of friction and what kind of temperatures engines now a day are submitted to....do you know that difference between doch and ohv or displacement and induction...dude then you explain to me what should be conciser high tech..?? all engines considering what they do are awesome!!
@vedgardo Yes, I used to be a technician for BMW. Modern DOHC engines that you find in a Ferrari V8 like you mentioned employ variable valve timing which is an innovation. A 7.0l pushrod engine with no sophistication is just another engine that cranks out power thanks to huge displacement. BMW employ VANOS in their engines and BMW consistently haul in engine awards year after year - M5/6 V10, M3 V8, twin turbo 3l straight 6 diesels. Porsche now uses a similar set up.
@StuRaz ..well the same can be said about a 7.0L engine from GM the small block uses a larger 104mm bore and 101mm stroke. the crankshaft is made of steel and the connecting rods are forged titanium and the pistons are made of a chemical composition at which the constituent elements will form a single, homogeneous phase when cooled called hypereutectic piston....dude and all of that is not an innovation...vtt, vtech, vanos is just a copy of the vtt from steam engines 19th century...
@vedgardo To repeat myself, making an old relic out of new materials doesn't make it an innovation. It's just a bit lighter.
Comparing the combustion cycle in a steam engine is not the same as a car engine. BMW, Porsche, Ferrari etc have all had massive successes from international awards for their innovation, and then we have them pushing the boundaries of direct injection too for improved efficiency and more power across the torque curve.
@StuRaz ...we are not talking about the combustion cycle, a steam engine is not the same as a combustion engine and an petrol engine is not the same as a diesel engine. dude most technologies in cars be ferrari, bmw, etc. all are refine technologies from old tech...you just keep making something better and better.....heck a two stroke engine get the same result as a VVT system. First VVT sys 1960 fiat, GM 1975, VANOS BMW 1992..old tech just getting better...
@StuRaz ...dude your argument is that 7.0l is old tech...you gave vanos as an example of high tech...and im telling you that is old tech and just made better...VVT was already in existence before VANOS...the only difference is that it could do it in phases instead of continuously like before....and DOUBLE VANOS was just an improvement to emission....old tech just made better...exactly the same thing with improvements and new materials....
@vedgardo No. Your argument is saying that improving VVT is less advanced than making a carbon fibre steam engine. According to you that would be a cutting edge piece of tech.
@StuRaz ..dude no more arguments...shit no wonder my bmw M3 fuck up.....by the way the vanos gave up...the camshaft bent...as you may know vanos use intake timing by rotating the camshaft in relation to the gear....got a G35 6 speed transmission blew...got a corvette and shit is still running........have a nice life buddy!!!..
@vedgardo Since I've dealt with about 45 BMWs a day over the last 8 years I don't recall one ever coming in with anything like you describe. I might as well sit here and tell you my Corvette blew up and my M3 was fine. Just my word against yours.
@StuRaz ...dude i dont care what you think....shit your not a chick i have to impress...me i just love engines period...your are just pist because you just checked that VANOS is no new high tech but tech as old as a push road small block v8...LOL....keep studying buddy...someday you'll understand about engines and cars....LOL
@vedgardo I don't need to study anything. I'd wouldn't be where I am now if I hadn't done so. I highly doubt you got anywhere with your incredibly poor ability to spell anyway, your CV must make for an interesting read.
The idea of VANOS is not new but new developments in the technology is. VANOS today is far more advanced than it used to be, not just made out of new materials. Using your logic a carbo-tanium Model T would be cutting edge tech.
@StuRaz .....LOL...come down Mr. spelling bee...I'm not American....i learn English as a second language...lets speak Spanish and check spelling errors retard....then in your logic a 7.0L push road should be a rocket engine capable of interstellar travel....by the way spelling is not necessary when programing and developing new systems for your precious bmw's....have a nice life Mr. ingrish teacher....puto....LOL...now i see why you're so biased, you're from Europe.
@vedgardo No because the LS7 is a pushrod relic like I've been telling you for hours. My opinion on cars is based on quality regardless of where it's from.
@StuRaz ...dude if the LS7 is a relic then your VANOS was brought from the old testament.....when we started we were debating high tech not quality....of course a BMW has better seats, interior and a better ride...an LS7 just like your VANOS is old tech just made better....
@vedgardo The LS7 is a pushrod engine made from new materials. So, it's no different than the first pushrod engine just lighter. We've been over this. Please read old comments before addressing me again.
@StuRaz ....your vanos system in bmw old vvt systems just made better like i told you before as well....dude you're the one that keeps changing the subject., you went from hight tech to engine cycles to car quality....stop addressing me if you don't come with anything new and smart to debate, your biased and stock on Europeans cars anyways. have a nice life buddy!!
@vedgardo BMW keep improving VANOS whereas GM has done absolutely nothing to improve their pushrod engines other than to build them out of different materials.
@StuRaz ..dude your telling the same shit as before. One VANOS is a VVT system just like VTech, VarioCam or VCT old as the bible just made better. Two the last time bmw made changes was in 2001 with Valvetronic and that was to patch the problems with VANOS. Yes an LS7 uses the same architecture as gen. 4 engines but larger bore and longer stroke make it different. engine is redline a 7Krpm but it capable of achieving 8Krpm without your precious vvt systems. You have no argument!! just bias!!
@vedgardo No. Bmw improves VVT - different timing, new cams, new dual active camshaft technology etc. That is totally different than building exactly the same thing out of new materials. How many times do I need to post the same thing?
@StuRaz ..NO. how many times am i going to tell you that your precious VANOS is just a copy of Nissan NVCS system buddy, BMW did not come up with that shit and in my opinion the Japanese are way ahead in VVT systems. dude you got all facts wrong, you got no argument. VANOS here and there, dude vanos is just an improved tech, an LS7 is an improved tech. stop arguing, you lost, give up.
@vedgardo Whatever way you want to twist this, they're all more sophisticated than building a 50s engine out of modern day materials. Stop being patriotic and wake up.
@StuRaz ...I was really beginning to wonder when you were going to bring the patriotic shit out, that's when i know you ran out of arguments. Never, because One like i told you before I'm not American. i live in the US because my job needs me here, i develop software and systems. Two like i told you before the Japanese are really way ahead in VVT tech. if you would have said vanos is old worthless shit i would be arguing against it. I'm a gear head, just love cars. see ya bro!!
@StuRaz WTF, the Corvette engine is perfect how ti is, doesn't break down as much as most European cars, and the ZR1, C6, and ACR shit on European over priced cars around a track and in a straight line.
The LS7 is the arguably the worst engine GM has ever built and you named factory laptimes that have no relation to handling. And, for the record, independent tests can't get near them, cheats.
@StuRaz Lap times have no revelance to handling? wtf, maybe not a straight track, but the Nurburgring... only cars that handle great can actually get good lap times. Ariel Atom, GT2, ACR, GTR, ZR1, Z06, FXX, are you on drugs? The LS7, LS9, are maginifent engines, hardly break down, unlike "sophisticated European engines" which constently have electrical, turbo, and engine problems. The Corvette engine is bullet proof, just like the Ford GT, simple but gets the job done with a better time.
@dreampilot2 Handling isn't about lap times. Handling is about control and feel and while the Corvette can manage those non stock factory runs it takes one hell of a lot of effort to do so. Corvettes are notorious for poor handling and being an uncontrollable mess.
The LS7 is still made with shitty valve springs that can't withstand high rpms, so they bounce, have very thin cylinder walls and when it was launched it never had dry sump lubrication so the engine exploded when pulling high Gs.
@StuRaz Where the hell are you getting this information from? The Corvette Z06 and ZR1 handle amazingly, the grip is better than a GTR, of course it takes skill to handle a 550 and 638 horsepower rwd car. Lap times prove almost everything! what your basically saying is a GT2 and GTR handle shitty too then? Your talking about being in the powerband too much, it happens in every single car, the chances of the engine blowing are 1 out of 100. This usually happens on a track, never on domestic roads
@dreampilot2 They handle like shit, don't kid yourself. Rolling off these lap times and then winging when they fly off the track in nearly every review and bitching about the drivers. Takes talent to drive these cars fast I agree but it seems literally NOBODY can drive a Corvette fast. At that point you have to start blaming the car. And I actually think the GT2 is the worst car Porsche make.
The GT-R is without doubt one of the best cars ever made.
@StuRaz It seems to me you know nothing about cars, the Corvette is RWD and it has over 500hp. The GT-R under steers a lot, Corvette's, Vipers, Ford GT'S, GT2's, are all great handling cars. First you were saying the LS7 engine is the worst engine in the world, it indeed is one of the best engine's in the world, so is the LS9. The GTR's engine however has a big problem, the launch control is glitch, and the engine has cylinder problems. The GT2 has turbo problems, the LS7 has piston slap.
@dreampilot2 You are in no position to tell someone they know nothing about cars by trying to tell me the GT-R engine is bad because the launch control (that actually wasn't called launch control or designed to be used like that), was a glitch. That's transmission, idiot. The Ford GT is the only good handling car out of that list. The others are just wild, uncontrollable lap time queens with no focus on handling.
Hundreds of car manage RWD with other 500bhp, don't give me that.
@StuRaz Why don't you drive one? You have absolutely no idea what your on about, It takes talent to drive a RWD car with over 500hp fast. Turn on all the electronics on a Corvette, and it is quite easy to drive, but extremely boring. The GTR's launch control wasn't reliable enough, that's why Nissan didn't put it in their 2010 models. An R8 sucks at handling, I can tell you that right now, if anything the LP670 sucks at handling. Just absurd statements, back it up with FACTS, not Top Gear.
@dreampilot2 Typical, bringing up Top Gear because you don't agree with me. Pointless.
The "launch control", that was never called launch control, was a system installed for getting the car out of snow and other trapping surface conditions. I'll even link you to a video if you wish. Now Nissan realised the system was being mis used so have tuned that system accordingly to tarmac. R8s and Lambos handle brilliantly also.
@StuRaz Top Gear is a comedy show dimwit, they say the Corvette is plastic, is it? NO. Sop typing Corvette crashing on the Youtube search bar, search another super car crashing. You know your an absolute idiot, at least when it comes to cars. This video proves it all, Corvette's handling great.
@dreampilot2 I didn't say anything about Top Gear dimwit, make some more lies up to argue with but don't post them to me. Every video I look at Vette fanboys are blaming the driver to the point where they don't even know who can drive one. At that point you have to blame the car if nobody can drive one. They don't handle, get over it.
@StuRaz Show me one video that proves me wrong, I just proved you wrong on every argument you made, "Oh the LS7 engine sucks" man shut the heck up. You don't know what your talking about!
@dreampilot2 One video of what? Vettes being out of control? Watch the Car & Driver out takes between a ZO6 and a Viper. You haven't proven anything, just told me it does and nothing more, where's the proof in that?
The LS7 has been a complete problem child in the otherwise very robust LS series engines. When it was launched it didn't have dry sump lubrication; oil would pool in the engine under hard cornering and it would explode. The valve springs still can't take high rpms either and float.
@StuRaz The Corvette's engine is not as sophisticated as a Ferrari, or Lamborghini. Which actually is a good thing, cheaper maintenance, better reliability, less electronic problems. The LS7 and LS9 engines are quite old, but we've perfected them. The valve springs don't need to take high RPM's! the engine it self red lines at around 7000rpm's which means less wear and tare. The only problem with the LS7 engine was piston slap, which was was fixed a few years later, in the mid to late 90's.
@dreampilot2 To drive a super powerful unrefined car fast does require talent. But the Corvette was given an inch and it has taken a mile. Every video I watch all the fanboys are bitching about how the guy "just can't drive". After so many people crash it there does come a point where you have to say the car is at fault. I honestly don't know of anyone who can. Saying the Corvette requires talent is a massive understatement, it's at the point now where it's basically beyond human.
@dreampilot2 Where? You haven't proven or even shown anything. And the R8 is always praised for its handling character, the Vette never is. Hell, a few months back Car & Driver said the ZO6 was the second worst handling car on sale in America in front of the Golf GTi. You can stick to your bullshit laptimes if you wish, it only cements the fact you don't understand handling.
@StuRaz It seems to me that handling doesn't matter anymore, (since the Vette sucks at handling) and the R8 doesn't, oddly it rapes the R8 around any track, tons of grip with those massive RW tires, better stopping power than a GTR, I mean fuck handling then. As long as it shits on over priced European piece of garbage I'll take two and still save money haha.
@dreampilot2 You don't know the difference between grip & handling. Neither do you understand how the whole pricing system works. Do you know anything? Why don't you by an Ultima GTR and save even more money?
@StuRaz I'll tell you something buddy, handling is perspective, grip is general fact. I'd rather have grip and then get use to the handling. I'd buy a GTR, ZR1, and ACR for the price of one of those rip-off European super cars.
@dreampilot2 No, handling is not a perspective. And "European car" is a rip off. So tell me, give me 1 reason why anyone should buy a Corvette over an Ultima GTR?
Or, admit you don't have any idea what you're talking about.
@StuRaz Handling and feel of the car IS perspective, ask any "car guy" either you like the handling or you don't. You'd buy a Corvette over a GTR if you want better engine and electronic reliability, if you don't want turbo lag, and if you like the history and ego of the Vette. I know a good car when I see one, the 2012 GTR is amazing but I'd still take a Vette. Also European cars like the R8 just suck ass period, I know this ironically because my cousins neighbor has an R8.
@dreampilot2 And how would you have any idea what a "car guy" would say? Since you know nothing you wouldn't know if he/she was right either way.
Corvettes are a total laughing stock all over the world apart from about half of America. They don't handle, fall to pieces, badly built and depreciate like nothing else on Earth. And I personally know 2 people with V8 R8s and neither of them say they suck. You're talking utter horseshit. Don't bother writing "period", it makes you look more stupid.
@StuRaz You have never given me a valid factual answer, "Corvettes this Corvettes that" man stfu. Audi R8 sucks ass, Lamborghini sucks ass, Ferrari sucks ass, Corvette rules. That's very ignorant without any back bone. Prove it to me. Why does the Vette and ACR shit on European plastic falling to pieces piece of shits around the Nurburgring?
@dreampilot2 First, they are only factory runs that are completely modified and not independently verified & they have wider tyres and a wider track for better traction. That's nothing new and nothing to brag about especially when Europe is now making their cars smaller for better road use and still maintaining the same traction. So, if you think your childish argument is so good, why spend so much money on a Corvette when you could buy an Ultima GTR for half the price and get faster laps?
@StuRaz I would buy a Corvette for the reliability and the ego. "Factory runs completely modified" is complete bull shit, prove that to me, do you also believe the ZR1 is made from plastic? since you seem to get the idea that Corvettes have bad build quality.
@dreampilot2 Look at the damn info. They blag slick tyres, roll cages and anti roll bars as "non stock safety equipment". Therefore the car does not represent a showroom car so it's not stock.
Corvettes aren't plastic for the most part but the build quality I'm talking about is ill fitting body panels, inconsistent panel gaps, facia being held together with clips and glue, interior falling to pieces & shitty electrics. Come on, revise build quality, not materials. Pillock.
@StuRaz Yeah and that's suppose to give it a performance boost by 15 seconds? Shitty electronics come in German cars, that is a 100% FACT, I know several people who own Vette's on of my uncles who actually lives in Germany drives a Z06 which has over 230,000 miles on it and it still runs perfect. The build quality is just as good as any other car in it's price range. LSX series engines are the most reliable, cheap maintenance, good reliability, and amazing power. The GTR has more plastic inside.
@dreampilot2 The track is 13 miles long, prat. Not some run of the mill 1.5 mile circuit. I work at BMW I could tell you their most common problems but next to none have anything to do with poor wiring or CPU configuration. And no way am I buying another "I know a guy with a Corvette" crap, everyone I talk to plays the same B/S card.
LS engines are sound upto a point, but they're no longer cheap or terribly reliable for the reasons I've already mentioned.
@StuRaz Exactly the track is 13 miles long and the Corvette did not break down, and the brakes held up well, the tires and the engine were perfect. The R8 was a pig around the track, I mean what the hell happened? did it crash? lol. You work at BMW, well you might want to tell your bosses to start making more reliable cars. So what are you guys planning on doing about the CTS-V which is cheaper, better handling, faster in a straight line than the M3?
@dreampilot2 Your idea of reliability is doing 13 miles trouble free driving? And no other car broke down on the track, stop lying and pretending your sad arse bullshit is funny. R8s are constantly praised for superb handling, not quite second worst handling car on sale like Corvettes is it.
Nobody at BMW even knows about the CTS-V. And why should they care? Caddy and Corvette combined sold 26 cars in England last year. Although, I'll be honest, the CTS-V is a pretty decent car.
@StuRaz Well you seem to think the Vette can't do 5 miles without breaking down. Your R8 is an over priced piece of shit just admit it, the Vette beat the R8 by like 15 seconds which is ages in lap times. Yet this video contradicts the Vette being one of the worse handling cars doesn't it? Yeah and England is a country that begs to America, we taught you Europeans several lessons. We even taught you how to fight a war properly.
@dreampilot2 Now you just look insecure and paranoid, I never said anything about braking down after 5 miles. And btw, since when was building road cars a race? At least you can drive an R8 round a track at a decent speed, enjoy it and not crash like a Corvette that needs racing driver talent to keep it on a track.
Oh this is England v America now? We put you on the map, gave you a language and nowadays you think you're special for blowing up mud huts for your freedom? Get fucked & wave a flag.
@StuRaz Britain is a toilet, admit it. You can keep a Corvette on the track without it crashing, I've seen several videos of several types of sports cars crashing around tracks, maybe you should stop searching "corvette crash" on the Youtube search bar, why don't you search GTR crash or Porsche crash, or R8 crash. C6R is the best at ALMS and Le Mans, the Vette team won 4 times in a row and in 2009 they were the best. Heck Europeans even kicked the Vette team out because they were scared.
@dreampilot2 I don't need to search for crashes, every Vette video tels me enough. Watching fanboys endlessly moan about how the guy can't drive it (turns out nobody actually can) or watching the driver have to wrestle for control all the time thanks to its poor chassis and tuning.
The Corvette has never won the 24h Le Mans in France and no Euro team could ever kick it out from the US le mans series, don't lie some more.
@dreampilot2 Excuse for what? Europe builds the finest, most exciting highest quality user friendly supercars on sale today. And if you want these obscene lap times with absolute disregard for build quality and refinement we have cars like the Ultima GTR that will wipe the floor with anything on sale (and I know it has optioned Chevy engines before you play that pointless card).
As for Vettes crashing, I made a whole video about it.
@StuRaz See I don't have that kind of time on my hands, it would be quite easy for me to make a whole video of Porsche's crashing. Also I admit Europeans do have the best super cars, Bugatti Veyron, CCX, Zonda, etc. However these cars cost quite a lot, anyone can build an amazing super car with tons of money. Japanese and American car manufactures build good super cars for very little money, Ford GT, GTR, ACR, Z06, CTS-V, ZR1, then theres a few "amazing" cars Saleen S7, Aero TT.
@dreampilot2 The point is there is footage in abundance of Corvettes crashing in any other than racing driver hands and therefore wasn't very hard to make. I'll grant that the CTS-V is a very good car and the Ford GT was absolutely world class, and I'll give the S7 the benefit of the doubt but not the rest, especially the Aero.
The problem with Corvettes is the C6 looks like a flawed yet appealing car, but the same flaws translate onto the ZO6 & ZR1 just on a massively more expensive scale.
@StuRaz See I bet you have tons of videos of Z06's crashing but not much ZR1's, that's because the ratio's are completely different, Z06's are quite common especially in America and Germany, so you cannot compare these type's of things because the Z06 is extremely cheap, so ratio wise the Vette's stand strong. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I can say the same for an Aston Martin.
@dreampilot2 The way the ZR1 behaves on videos like the Nurburgring run leave a lot to be desired, it still doesn't look composed even in the hands of their chief test driver & engineer and he constantly cocks up. To be honest It's not a great time for a car with tyres & track so wide and with such a huge power+torque/weight ratio.
I don't know what you mean about Aston Martin either. If you're talking about looks then yes it's always going to be an opinion.
@StuRaz Aston Martins suck at handling and we can see that there at the back of the Nurburgring times, it doesn't look composed because it's a 638HP RWD car, right when you com off the turns and put power you will spin in any car. Keep in mind he's trying to achieve the best time possible, have you seen the FXX run around the Nurburgring? that looks even less composed, but that doesn't mean it handles badly. Your the only person I've come across that says lap times don't say anything.
@dreampilot2 Lap times don't tell you anything about handling. And no modern Aston sucks at handling, they're brilliantly balanced and predictable, although I wasn't very impressed with an 02 plate Vanquish I tried a year or so back, that was shit. The reason it steps out is because the suspension isn't properly tuned and the chassis is unpredictable, it's not so much the back end just twitching it's snapping out and having to be wrested back into control from a tank slapper.
The FXX isn't even a proper car, it's just a Ferrari test bed for new ideas, hence why you can't use it on the road. And racing cars are notoriously bad to drive or cars hell bent on lap times. Look at cars like the Gumpert Apollo, it will post the numbers but I bet it's shocking on the limit and awful to drive.
@StuRaz Yeah but it still handles bends well, have you seen the R8 lap time? that's what I call horrible composure, he isn't even going as fast as the Vette yet he still has trouble on the corners.
@StuRaz Have you seen Audi R8 vs ZR1 Top Gear, look when the stig drive both cars the R8 is poorly composed, the ZR1 however looks very well composed.
@dreampilot2 It looks a bit wayward but hardly uncomposed, The Corvette stepped out round follow-through and needed the brakes, never seen that before. But both cars look good in the hands of a pro driver, look at the state of the Corvette with Clarkson at the wheel. I've never seen such a mess apart from in the GT2. He drives Koenigseggs better than that.
@StuRaz Top Gear is the most bias show ever, look at how he drove the Vette, he floored it on turns, a baby can drive better than that. Honestly that's just for show, the ZR1 beat the R8 round the Top gear track when Stig was driving. Top Gear is purely comedy.
@dreampilot2 Clarkson drives EVERY car like that and nobody complains until a Corvette gets that and there's an uproar. Ferrari 599, Mclaren SLR, Koenigsegg, Carrera GT, Zonda R, Ascari A10 with similar/more power had no problems or at least nowhere near as bad as the ZR1. Then you say it's "purely comedy" but always use their logic ( E.g. it's not as fast but costs this much so it's better) and when a Corvette is given credit you take that seriously. You just don't like criticism, that is bias.
@StuRaz I do take criticism, but clearly Top Gear is a comedy show not meant to be factual. Like I said Jeremy is bias against America, I mean the Stig proved him wrong "the Zr1 handles like a mad man" I can drive better than him, a baby can drive better than him, all he was doing was flooring a 638HP RWD car around corners. What a joke of a show.
@dreampilot2 Biased against America? He bought a Ford GT, twice.
And the Stig is a professional racing driver, of course he can drive one properly but if you need to be that good to drive it properly then why bother in the first place? I just gave you a whole list of cars that shoot your bad driving argument out of the sky. You can only forgive a car so much before it just has to take the blame itself.
@StuRaz You don't need to be a professional driver to drive a Vette around a track, Jeremy is just a bias idiot when it comes to American cars. The ZR1 has driving aids now so anyone can drive it, but what's the fun in that, I would drive it with traction control off and all the other bits, that's the fun in it. Nowadays you got the GTR which is a robot, ask any professional driver which on is funner.
@dreampilot2 That's just a really desperate apology and excuse for not building a car properly. Like I said, Jeremy bought a Ford GT twice, you just can't admit it when American builds a bad car.
@StuRaz I'm sure he did.... Top Gear is pathetically biased against America, Britain this Britain that. Man one of our USS Nimitz Class Air Craft Carriers can take down all of Britain.
@dreampilot2 I can recall one time when they have favoured England over any car and that was when they let the Ascari KZ1 do a damp lap rather than wet. I repeat, you just can't admit the fact you make bad cars these days. America is the ONLY country in the world that complains about Top Gear, but still use them when it suits you.
@dreampilot2 No it isn't. Stop embarrassing yourself with these pathetic made up excuses. It has structure and a time slot for how long each part should last but it's not scripted. I've spoken to people who have been to see it recorded and it's just obvious that it's not, too much goes wrong and there just simply isn't time to rehearse it, or write a damn script.
@petbedding01 It's structured but not scripted. Ask people who have been, for the most part it's completely spontaneous. It lasts about 4 hours and is edited down to one hour for TV. How can 3 men rehearse a 4 hour scripted show every week? It would be impossible.
@dreampilot2 A US aircraft carrier can take down Britain?????? and your name is....DREAMPILOT.Change the 'p' and 'i' to an 'a' in your name and stop posting stupid, irrelevent comments. How typically American is that? No wonder your the most unpopular nation on earth when you come out with shit like that...
One idiot doesn't represent the USA. I think the Z06 is a surprise for what it can do for the price, but it's not about being the best bang for you buck, it's about the best fastest car. I think their list overall was pretty weak. No Veyron? No KOEIRUJDSKDJALLJWEGG CCX?
@Curveball Your'e right and I do apologise. I do love the Z06 and especially the ZR1. Having been to Le Mans several times, the ZR1 is definitely the best sounding and most successful car there, ask anyone who's been. Pagani Zonda R is the business though...
It's all good, brother. I just think people go overboard with their bias. Just because someone doesn't like this car or that car doesn't make the car crap. Not being the car for you don't make it a terrible car. Like the Veyron, it is an amazing car, engineering work of art, mind thumbing performance......but it doesn't do anything for me. I wouldn't buy one if I could afford it. I'd have a Zonda F Roadster over a Veyron in a heartbeat. I don't hate the Veyron, it's just not for me.
@Curveball If I win the lottery my friend, I'll be straight down the Ferrari shop when they bring out the 458 Scuderia (and hopefully they will) and i'll give you a text!
@Curveball Absolutely. The F355 was the last really good looking Fezza until the 458 came out. But the BIG question is...what's the best looking Ferrari ever??? tough one. 250 gto? Daytona? Dino? and wait what about the Mondial...just kidding! Gonna have to say...the 365 Daytona. Whats your verdict?
@Curveball This is about being a REALISTIC list. This isn't Top Gear, where all they show you is super dangerously scary expensive cars that you'll never get the chance to own just to impress a bunch 12 year olds. Fifth Gear is keeping simple and realistic, for people who are actually in the market to buy a car. If you want to see a unrealistic unreal world list? Then go watch Clarkson, Hammond, and Captain Slow praise the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport.
Every time I watch this I cant believe they chose the vette. Always makes me feel good when a non american show pics an american car. Now If they would have replaced the 997 turbo with the 997 gt3 I think the P car would have won. Thats the only car I would sell my Z06 for.
427Mike1 2 weeks ago
How about Nissan GT-R with 530 hp ??? That would be my one and only choice in that range.
whatsupsaint 1 month ago
I like how the Ferrari fan boy prases the Magnetic suspension on the 599gtb
which a basic corvette c5 had from 2003 also had
yaxxbass 3 months ago
Italy: Luxuary, Speed and design
Germany: Response Speed, Corner, and Luxualy
USA: Monster Speed (Straight)
JPN: New Tech. , Response and Price
If I have tons of cash i would buy German or Japanese car but designs are Italy
ts19840310 3 months ago
@ts19840310 Enough of this bullshit. Modern American sports cars are engineered to handle as well. The 2012 corvette Zr1 lapped the nurburging faster than a FERRARI ENZO. The corvette Z06 is faster than the nissan GTR AND ferrari f430 around the ring as well. The new camaro ZL1 has run the ring in a blistering 7:41 which is faster than a pagani zonda S, 911 turbo GT3, AND audi R8 V10. Im sick of the prejudice as we Americans have more than proved ourselves.
BlueAvenue22 3 months ago
What rubbish choices!
There are so many better cars to choose from.
I would have taken the Koenigsegg CCXR or the Pagani Zonda Cinque.
They'll drive circles round the Porsche and won't have bits of fibreglass falling off them like the Vette.
The Ferrari 599 GTB handles terribly and doesn't deserve to have GT in it's name.
PinkMaggitF1 3 months ago
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did you know that the Z06 is fuel efficient for a sports car.
Z06: 16 city /24 highway
Tell me what sports car can do this.
GT-R: 16 city/ 21 highway (with 2 less cylinders, 3.2 less liters, and with 2 TURBOS) youll think it would get more MPG but it doesnt.
Z06 FTW.
noshabibis 3 months ago
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KPKaccountt 3 months ago
lol the corvette?? the turbo is just the best CAR overall
remos777 4 months ago
frankly i choose corvette
sopirah 5 months ago 2
Great choice jason plato!! i take the 911 Turbo tooo !!!
2Gtrevo 5 months ago
@nickh Probably a 250 or 275... those are all just delicious. Prettier than the Daytona for my money. The GT California was pretty great looking too. Cameron's dad knew what he was doing.
ntdscherer 6 months ago
Why does everybody hates the corvette??
carbonfiber1995 6 months ago 9
Bs the Ferrari could easily whoop the corvettes ass it may under steer but just try leaving on the traction control and pus it has a handling pack
adam1othman 6 months ago
Corvettes can't go around corners fast.
Capitancanguro1 6 months ago
Bullshit the vette gets to 60 in 5.9.. More like 3.9...
PreviewHD 6 months ago 12
@PreviewHD there are three engines.
seomoz 6 months ago
@PreviewHD hahaaha thats what I was going to say! the v6 camry gets to 60 in 6 seconds with half the horsepower
BlueAvenue22 3 months ago
@PreviewHD 60 kph not mph,that's 100 mph,5.9 sec to 100 mph is dead on...
effmunee100 2 weeks ago
ohh yea corvette is the best
chevyv8350 8 months ago
how could you not vote for a z06 for tiff's powerslide alone?
moobie1010 8 months ago
Z06! i love mine
ripkej77 10 months ago
guys did he say the vette goes to 60 in 5.9 secs? i sure he ment 3.9 but wtv
69mrbrightside691 10 months ago
its true..american car are junk..so the corvette too..handling sux..7 litre just can do powerslide?? wasting fuel.. its junk..why he chose 997 turbo?997 lame car..you can get all the fun in half price...GTR R35..better acceleration,cornering..599 too expensive..but in this vid,,,,i prefer more Ferrari..
MrSham1996 11 months ago
i love fifth gear, because tiff is a legend
GoldenGuard33 1 year ago
The ZO6 is a great race car as well as an everyday car, something the ferarri isn't. Tiff gets one thing wrong tho'. the vette does 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. Great sound as well, awesome V8!!!
fletch00001 1 year ago
why does Tiff speak like this : the best fast caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrr.....................
mishotatishvili 1 year ago
LOL only fifth gear would ANY AWARD AT ALL to the corvette.... ONLY fifth gear...
PerzDVP 1 year ago
Fuck ALL the comments on this video. You're all a bunch of absolute virgins.
lucrativeelfmongrel 1 year ago
I CANT STAND THIS SHOW THEY SUCK SOOOO BAD AT COPYING TOP GEAR
dhiraj12378 1 year ago
@dhiraj12378 Well go watch Top Gear then you muppet
jimmyhayers 1 year ago
@dhiraj12378 are they Australian? Agreed, they don't have the same "something" of Top Gear. Are these fellows also journalists (like the guys on Top Gear)?
aminevich 1 year ago
@aminevich Why would you say they're Australian?? For the record the older gentleman in this clip is Tiff Needell. Ex F1 driver. He was also on Top Gear back in the early days.
This was the award for 2006. 5 years ago. Corvettes are actually very good handling sports cars and replacement motors (if needed) can be bought for about 10th of the price of the others. I would have selected the 997 Turbo but all 3 cars were very good for the year.
333pg333 11 months ago
@aminevich Why would you say they're Australian?? For the record the older gentleman in this clip is Tiff Needell. Ex F1 driver. He was also on Top Gear back in the early days. The other guy is Jason Plato. Another racer.
This was the award for 2006. 5 years ago. Corvettes are actually very good handling sports cars and replacement motors (if needed) can be bought for about 10th of the price of the others. I would have selected the 997 Turbo but all 3 cars were very good for the year.
333pg333 11 months ago
@dhiraj12378 ok um are you stupid fifth gear came first, and then came the new top gear, so saying they are copying is dumb. Like you fan boys.
Boss351Mustang 11 months ago
well for one, even the 500hp viper was a better car, I've driven both. and the other 2 cars they compared to are better as well. z06 is a good poor mans sports car but now, you'd be best getting a nissan GT-R
thnk4urself 1 year ago
@thnk4urself I saw a Nissan GT-R the other day. It looks like a slippery sedan. It was very disappointing. Though it is fast it doesn't look like a super car.....it doesn't! People complaining, there all nice so it's all good! Personal preference - Porsche. Im American.
Dont bash 5th Gear and say that Top Gear is better. There just different. 5th Gear comments on the lack of quality in American cars. Top Gear brings American cars on there show for the sake of talking shit! Peace
TheForcefin 1 year ago
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patko1610 1 year ago
this is rediculous. the ZO6 isn't even near the best American car. this is why top gear is better
thnk4urself 1 year ago
@thnk4urself
if the z06 isnt the best, what is? (keep in mind this is a couple years old, so the viper has 500 hp and there's no zr1)
Evan12345678 1 year ago
the vette has had that magnetic tide control for years that the guy who chose the 599 was commenting about
tabese1000 1 year ago
corvette over porsche?!?!? C´mon plz...
0190Chantalle 1 year ago
mclaren f1 anyone? ;D
jack390 1 year ago
@jack390 Yes please!
yeahnahsweetas 1 year ago
@yeahnahsweetas lol! love the mclaren! its in a whole different league! :D
jack390 1 year ago
z06 is the best fuck u england fags ,british what ever u r
MegaDurango01 1 year ago
@MegaDurango01 Hahaha you fail
jimmyhayers 1 year ago
*You simply can't beat the rough "Raw"power of a Murcielago. FTW
EngleSackJus 1 year ago
man look at those 2 (sturaz and vedgardo) wasting contless hrs bullshittin lmaoXD
JKTProductionzIncNCo 1 year ago
Did he say 0-62in 5.9 sec? Was it being pushed by a Mustang?!
MustangsCanTurnToo 1 year ago
The more I see this the more ridiculous it gets. Car of the year based on it being "a bit of a surprise", cute, but not really a compliment. There is also absolutely NOTHING high tech about the Corvette's engine.
I also love the way everyone says Top Gear is biased for telling a car how it is and how it behaves with a normal person behind the wheel. If the ZR1 gets a bad Fifth Gear write up they'll be crowned biased too. Honesty in the American sense is just hearing what they like, not true.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz Ever hear of K.I.S.S- Keep It Simple Stupid. The LSx engine series may be "low tech", but it's light, narrow package (no OHC's to make it wide) that can make huge power. That's why it's put in everything from Corvettes to Trucks... because it's effective.
stlchucko 1 year ago
@stlchucko OHV engines are smaller but that's not an innovative feature, that just an upside to using them, as is being light. But more than anything they're used because they're cheap, they're not fooling anyone.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz OHC and pushrod motors (other than flatheads) are both OHV (V=valve), but I know what you meant. It is cheaper to build a low rpm pushrod motor than a OHC. The LS7 is a 427 (7L) that revs to 7k rpm and has a 100,000 mile warantee. It's also available as a crate engine. Check out the specs and and tell me... do low tech engines use titanium, dry sumps and CNC ported heads.
stlchucko 1 year ago
@stlchucko That doesn't matter. That's like saying if I built a wheelbarrow out of titanium or carbon fibre it would be uber high tech. It's still the same thing.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz ....i dont think it was based on high tech points....it was basically based on the fact that this is the first corvette that can actually hang with the big supercars names and its cheap......dude i love both fifth and top gear....nobody is biased, everybody is entitle to his or her own opinion. They use cheap materials because the the car is cheap, you pay for what you get, but with corvette you get the extra surprise, the performance of supercars...!!
vedgardo 1 year ago
@vedgardo He said "a super hight tech 7.0l V8" even though there is nothing high tech about it at all.
Everything about the car is cheap so you're right, but performance is sort of a point of view. Yes it can set good laps but it's so bad to drive you'd need to be someone like Tiff Needel to get near them.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz ...dude it's a high tech engine in the fact that is one of the first small block engines to reach 7.0L 427cubic inch without passing to the next stage which is a big block engine. Before this only heavy big blocks achieve this kind of power, so in fact is actually a marble of engineering just like any other engine be a gtr engine with its 3.5L TT or 575Maranello with its 5748cc engine. I drive one everyday and for me is as good as any euro or jap car and i had all three cars.
vedgardo 1 year ago
@vedgardo That's still not high tech. Lots of engines produce lots of power for their size or weight, that's not innovation.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz ...then a DOHC 4.3L V8 that produces 483HP at 8500rpm, is just another engine, theres nothing exiting or high tech about. just the fact that it can produce that kind of power is amazing...you do you know what kind of friction and what kind of temperatures engines now a day are submitted to....do you know that difference between doch and ohv or displacement and induction...dude then you explain to me what should be conciser high tech..?? all engines considering what they do are awesome!!
vedgardo 1 year ago
@vedgardo Yes, I used to be a technician for BMW. Modern DOHC engines that you find in a Ferrari V8 like you mentioned employ variable valve timing which is an innovation. A 7.0l pushrod engine with no sophistication is just another engine that cranks out power thanks to huge displacement. BMW employ VANOS in their engines and BMW consistently haul in engine awards year after year - M5/6 V10, M3 V8, twin turbo 3l straight 6 diesels. Porsche now uses a similar set up.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz *And petrols.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz ..well the same can be said about a 7.0L engine from GM the small block uses a larger 104mm bore and 101mm stroke. the crankshaft is made of steel and the connecting rods are forged titanium and the pistons are made of a chemical composition at which the constituent elements will form a single, homogeneous phase when cooled called hypereutectic piston....dude and all of that is not an innovation...vtt, vtech, vanos is just a copy of the vtt from steam engines 19th century...
vedgardo 1 year ago
@vedgardo To repeat myself, making an old relic out of new materials doesn't make it an innovation. It's just a bit lighter.
Comparing the combustion cycle in a steam engine is not the same as a car engine. BMW, Porsche, Ferrari etc have all had massive successes from international awards for their innovation, and then we have them pushing the boundaries of direct injection too for improved efficiency and more power across the torque curve.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz ...we are not talking about the combustion cycle, a steam engine is not the same as a combustion engine and an petrol engine is not the same as a diesel engine. dude most technologies in cars be ferrari, bmw, etc. all are refine technologies from old tech...you just keep making something better and better.....heck a two stroke engine get the same result as a VVT system. First VVT sys 1960 fiat, GM 1975, VANOS BMW 1992..old tech just getting better...
vedgardo 1 year ago
@vedgardo Developing new active valve train dynamics is far more advanced than just building exactly the same thing out of a different material.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz ...dude your argument is that 7.0l is old tech...you gave vanos as an example of high tech...and im telling you that is old tech and just made better...VVT was already in existence before VANOS...the only difference is that it could do it in phases instead of continuously like before....and DOUBLE VANOS was just an improvement to emission....old tech just made better...exactly the same thing with improvements and new materials....
vedgardo 1 year ago
@vedgardo No. Your argument is saying that improving VVT is less advanced than making a carbon fibre steam engine. According to you that would be a cutting edge piece of tech.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz ..dude no more arguments...shit no wonder my bmw M3 fuck up.....by the way the vanos gave up...the camshaft bent...as you may know vanos use intake timing by rotating the camshaft in relation to the gear....got a G35 6 speed transmission blew...got a corvette and shit is still running........have a nice life buddy!!!..
vedgardo 1 year ago
@vedgardo Since I've dealt with about 45 BMWs a day over the last 8 years I don't recall one ever coming in with anything like you describe. I might as well sit here and tell you my Corvette blew up and my M3 was fine. Just my word against yours.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz ...dude i dont care what you think....shit your not a chick i have to impress...me i just love engines period...your are just pist because you just checked that VANOS is no new high tech but tech as old as a push road small block v8...LOL....keep studying buddy...someday you'll understand about engines and cars....LOL
vedgardo 1 year ago
@vedgardo I don't need to study anything. I'd wouldn't be where I am now if I hadn't done so. I highly doubt you got anywhere with your incredibly poor ability to spell anyway, your CV must make for an interesting read.
The idea of VANOS is not new but new developments in the technology is. VANOS today is far more advanced than it used to be, not just made out of new materials. Using your logic a carbo-tanium Model T would be cutting edge tech.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz .....LOL...come down Mr. spelling bee...I'm not American....i learn English as a second language...lets speak Spanish and check spelling errors retard....then in your logic a 7.0L push road should be a rocket engine capable of interstellar travel....by the way spelling is not necessary when programing and developing new systems for your precious bmw's....have a nice life Mr. ingrish teacher....puto....LOL...now i see why you're so biased, you're from Europe.
vedgardo 1 year ago
@vedgardo No because the LS7 is a pushrod relic like I've been telling you for hours. My opinion on cars is based on quality regardless of where it's from.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz ...dude if the LS7 is a relic then your VANOS was brought from the old testament.....when we started we were debating high tech not quality....of course a BMW has better seats, interior and a better ride...an LS7 just like your VANOS is old tech just made better....
vedgardo 1 year ago
@vedgardo The LS7 is a pushrod engine made from new materials. So, it's no different than the first pushrod engine just lighter. We've been over this. Please read old comments before addressing me again.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz ....your vanos system in bmw old vvt systems just made better like i told you before as well....dude you're the one that keeps changing the subject., you went from hight tech to engine cycles to car quality....stop addressing me if you don't come with anything new and smart to debate, your biased and stock on Europeans cars anyways. have a nice life buddy!!
vedgardo 1 year ago
@vedgardo BMW keep improving VANOS whereas GM has done absolutely nothing to improve their pushrod engines other than to build them out of different materials.
You have no argument.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz ..dude your telling the same shit as before. One VANOS is a VVT system just like VTech, VarioCam or VCT old as the bible just made better. Two the last time bmw made changes was in 2001 with Valvetronic and that was to patch the problems with VANOS. Yes an LS7 uses the same architecture as gen. 4 engines but larger bore and longer stroke make it different. engine is redline a 7Krpm but it capable of achieving 8Krpm without your precious vvt systems. You have no argument!! just bias!!
vedgardo 1 year ago
@vedgardo No. Bmw improves VVT - different timing, new cams, new dual active camshaft technology etc. That is totally different than building exactly the same thing out of new materials. How many times do I need to post the same thing?
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz ..NO. how many times am i going to tell you that your precious VANOS is just a copy of Nissan NVCS system buddy, BMW did not come up with that shit and in my opinion the Japanese are way ahead in VVT systems. dude you got all facts wrong, you got no argument. VANOS here and there, dude vanos is just an improved tech, an LS7 is an improved tech. stop arguing, you lost, give up.
vedgardo 1 year ago
@vedgardo Whatever way you want to twist this, they're all more sophisticated than building a 50s engine out of modern day materials. Stop being patriotic and wake up.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz ...I was really beginning to wonder when you were going to bring the patriotic shit out, that's when i know you ran out of arguments. Never, because One like i told you before I'm not American. i live in the US because my job needs me here, i develop software and systems. Two like i told you before the Japanese are really way ahead in VVT tech. if you would have said vanos is old worthless shit i would be arguing against it. I'm a gear head, just love cars. see ya bro!!
vedgardo 1 year ago
@StuRaz WTF, the Corvette engine is perfect how ti is, doesn't break down as much as most European cars, and the ZR1, C6, and ACR shit on European over priced cars around a track and in a straight line.
dreampilot2 11 months ago
@dreampilot2 Please don't try those arguments when you've just shown me you don't know what you're talking about.
StuRaz 11 months ago
@StuRaz Yeah, prove me wrong with facts.
dreampilot2 11 months ago
@dreampilot2 Prove you wrong on what?
The LS7 is the arguably the worst engine GM has ever built and you named factory laptimes that have no relation to handling. And, for the record, independent tests can't get near them, cheats.
StuRaz 11 months ago
@StuRaz Lap times have no revelance to handling? wtf, maybe not a straight track, but the Nurburgring... only cars that handle great can actually get good lap times. Ariel Atom, GT2, ACR, GTR, ZR1, Z06, FXX, are you on drugs? The LS7, LS9, are maginifent engines, hardly break down, unlike "sophisticated European engines" which constently have electrical, turbo, and engine problems. The Corvette engine is bullet proof, just like the Ford GT, simple but gets the job done with a better time.
dreampilot2 11 months ago
@dreampilot2 Handling isn't about lap times. Handling is about control and feel and while the Corvette can manage those non stock factory runs it takes one hell of a lot of effort to do so. Corvettes are notorious for poor handling and being an uncontrollable mess.
The LS7 is still made with shitty valve springs that can't withstand high rpms, so they bounce, have very thin cylinder walls and when it was launched it never had dry sump lubrication so the engine exploded when pulling high Gs.
StuRaz 11 months ago
@StuRaz Where the hell are you getting this information from? The Corvette Z06 and ZR1 handle amazingly, the grip is better than a GTR, of course it takes skill to handle a 550 and 638 horsepower rwd car. Lap times prove almost everything! what your basically saying is a GT2 and GTR handle shitty too then? Your talking about being in the powerband too much, it happens in every single car, the chances of the engine blowing are 1 out of 100. This usually happens on a track, never on domestic roads
dreampilot2 11 months ago
@dreampilot2 They handle like shit, don't kid yourself. Rolling off these lap times and then winging when they fly off the track in nearly every review and bitching about the drivers. Takes talent to drive these cars fast I agree but it seems literally NOBODY can drive a Corvette fast. At that point you have to start blaming the car. And I actually think the GT2 is the worst car Porsche make.
The GT-R is without doubt one of the best cars ever made.
StuRaz 11 months ago
@StuRaz It seems to me you know nothing about cars, the Corvette is RWD and it has over 500hp. The GT-R under steers a lot, Corvette's, Vipers, Ford GT'S, GT2's, are all great handling cars. First you were saying the LS7 engine is the worst engine in the world, it indeed is one of the best engine's in the world, so is the LS9. The GTR's engine however has a big problem, the launch control is glitch, and the engine has cylinder problems. The GT2 has turbo problems, the LS7 has piston slap.
dreampilot2 11 months ago
@dreampilot2 You are in no position to tell someone they know nothing about cars by trying to tell me the GT-R engine is bad because the launch control (that actually wasn't called launch control or designed to be used like that), was a glitch. That's transmission, idiot. The Ford GT is the only good handling car out of that list. The others are just wild, uncontrollable lap time queens with no focus on handling.
Hundreds of car manage RWD with other 500bhp, don't give me that.
StuRaz 11 months ago
@StuRaz Why don't you drive one? You have absolutely no idea what your on about, It takes talent to drive a RWD car with over 500hp fast. Turn on all the electronics on a Corvette, and it is quite easy to drive, but extremely boring. The GTR's launch control wasn't reliable enough, that's why Nissan didn't put it in their 2010 models. An R8 sucks at handling, I can tell you that right now, if anything the LP670 sucks at handling. Just absurd statements, back it up with FACTS, not Top Gear.
dreampilot2 11 months ago
@dreampilot2 Typical, bringing up Top Gear because you don't agree with me. Pointless.
The "launch control", that was never called launch control, was a system installed for getting the car out of snow and other trapping surface conditions. I'll even link you to a video if you wish. Now Nissan realised the system was being mis used so have tuned that system accordingly to tarmac. R8s and Lambos handle brilliantly also.
StuRaz 11 months ago
@StuRaz Top Gear is a comedy show dimwit, they say the Corvette is plastic, is it? NO. Sop typing Corvette crashing on the Youtube search bar, search another super car crashing. You know your an absolute idiot, at least when it comes to cars. This video proves it all, Corvette's handling great.
dreampilot2 11 months ago
@dreampilot2 I didn't say anything about Top Gear dimwit, make some more lies up to argue with but don't post them to me. Every video I look at Vette fanboys are blaming the driver to the point where they don't even know who can drive one. At that point you have to blame the car if nobody can drive one. They don't handle, get over it.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz Show me one video that proves me wrong, I just proved you wrong on every argument you made, "Oh the LS7 engine sucks" man shut the heck up. You don't know what your talking about!
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 One video of what? Vettes being out of control? Watch the Car & Driver out takes between a ZO6 and a Viper. You haven't proven anything, just told me it does and nothing more, where's the proof in that?
The LS7 has been a complete problem child in the otherwise very robust LS series engines. When it was launched it didn't have dry sump lubrication; oil would pool in the engine under hard cornering and it would explode. The valve springs still can't take high rpms either and float.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz The Corvette's engine is not as sophisticated as a Ferrari, or Lamborghini. Which actually is a good thing, cheaper maintenance, better reliability, less electronic problems. The LS7 and LS9 engines are quite old, but we've perfected them. The valve springs don't need to take high RPM's! the engine it self red lines at around 7000rpm's which means less wear and tare. The only problem with the LS7 engine was piston slap, which was was fixed a few years later, in the mid to late 90's.
dreampilot2 10 months ago 4
@dreampilot2 To drive a super powerful unrefined car fast does require talent. But the Corvette was given an inch and it has taken a mile. Every video I watch all the fanboys are bitching about how the guy "just can't drive". After so many people crash it there does come a point where you have to say the car is at fault. I honestly don't know of anyone who can. Saying the Corvette requires talent is a massive understatement, it's at the point now where it's basically beyond human.
StuRaz 11 months ago
@StuRaz So I've proved you wrong, buddy.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 Where? You haven't proven or even shown anything. And the R8 is always praised for its handling character, the Vette never is. Hell, a few months back Car & Driver said the ZO6 was the second worst handling car on sale in America in front of the Golf GTi. You can stick to your bullshit laptimes if you wish, it only cements the fact you don't understand handling.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz It seems to me that handling doesn't matter anymore, (since the Vette sucks at handling) and the R8 doesn't, oddly it rapes the R8 around any track, tons of grip with those massive RW tires, better stopping power than a GTR, I mean fuck handling then. As long as it shits on over priced European piece of garbage I'll take two and still save money haha.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 You don't know the difference between grip & handling. Neither do you understand how the whole pricing system works. Do you know anything? Why don't you by an Ultima GTR and save even more money?
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz I'll tell you something buddy, handling is perspective, grip is general fact. I'd rather have grip and then get use to the handling. I'd buy a GTR, ZR1, and ACR for the price of one of those rip-off European super cars.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 No, handling is not a perspective. And "European car" is a rip off. So tell me, give me 1 reason why anyone should buy a Corvette over an Ultima GTR?
Or, admit you don't have any idea what you're talking about.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz Handling and feel of the car IS perspective, ask any "car guy" either you like the handling or you don't. You'd buy a Corvette over a GTR if you want better engine and electronic reliability, if you don't want turbo lag, and if you like the history and ego of the Vette. I know a good car when I see one, the 2012 GTR is amazing but I'd still take a Vette. Also European cars like the R8 just suck ass period, I know this ironically because my cousins neighbor has an R8.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 And how would you have any idea what a "car guy" would say? Since you know nothing you wouldn't know if he/she was right either way.
Corvettes are a total laughing stock all over the world apart from about half of America. They don't handle, fall to pieces, badly built and depreciate like nothing else on Earth. And I personally know 2 people with V8 R8s and neither of them say they suck. You're talking utter horseshit. Don't bother writing "period", it makes you look more stupid.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz You have never given me a valid factual answer, "Corvettes this Corvettes that" man stfu. Audi R8 sucks ass, Lamborghini sucks ass, Ferrari sucks ass, Corvette rules. That's very ignorant without any back bone. Prove it to me. Why does the Vette and ACR shit on European plastic falling to pieces piece of shits around the Nurburgring?
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@StuRaz So tell me why does the Corvette and ACR rape cars costing 4x as much around the Nurburgring?
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 First, they are only factory runs that are completely modified and not independently verified & they have wider tyres and a wider track for better traction. That's nothing new and nothing to brag about especially when Europe is now making their cars smaller for better road use and still maintaining the same traction. So, if you think your childish argument is so good, why spend so much money on a Corvette when you could buy an Ultima GTR for half the price and get faster laps?
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz I would buy a Corvette for the reliability and the ego. "Factory runs completely modified" is complete bull shit, prove that to me, do you also believe the ZR1 is made from plastic? since you seem to get the idea that Corvettes have bad build quality.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 Look at the damn info. They blag slick tyres, roll cages and anti roll bars as "non stock safety equipment". Therefore the car does not represent a showroom car so it's not stock.
Corvettes aren't plastic for the most part but the build quality I'm talking about is ill fitting body panels, inconsistent panel gaps, facia being held together with clips and glue, interior falling to pieces & shitty electrics. Come on, revise build quality, not materials. Pillock.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz Yeah and that's suppose to give it a performance boost by 15 seconds? Shitty electronics come in German cars, that is a 100% FACT, I know several people who own Vette's on of my uncles who actually lives in Germany drives a Z06 which has over 230,000 miles on it and it still runs perfect. The build quality is just as good as any other car in it's price range. LSX series engines are the most reliable, cheap maintenance, good reliability, and amazing power. The GTR has more plastic inside.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 The track is 13 miles long, prat. Not some run of the mill 1.5 mile circuit. I work at BMW I could tell you their most common problems but next to none have anything to do with poor wiring or CPU configuration. And no way am I buying another "I know a guy with a Corvette" crap, everyone I talk to plays the same B/S card.
LS engines are sound upto a point, but they're no longer cheap or terribly reliable for the reasons I've already mentioned.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz Exactly the track is 13 miles long and the Corvette did not break down, and the brakes held up well, the tires and the engine were perfect. The R8 was a pig around the track, I mean what the hell happened? did it crash? lol. You work at BMW, well you might want to tell your bosses to start making more reliable cars. So what are you guys planning on doing about the CTS-V which is cheaper, better handling, faster in a straight line than the M3?
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 Your idea of reliability is doing 13 miles trouble free driving? And no other car broke down on the track, stop lying and pretending your sad arse bullshit is funny. R8s are constantly praised for superb handling, not quite second worst handling car on sale like Corvettes is it.
Nobody at BMW even knows about the CTS-V. And why should they care? Caddy and Corvette combined sold 26 cars in England last year. Although, I'll be honest, the CTS-V is a pretty decent car.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz Well you seem to think the Vette can't do 5 miles without breaking down. Your R8 is an over priced piece of shit just admit it, the Vette beat the R8 by like 15 seconds which is ages in lap times. Yet this video contradicts the Vette being one of the worse handling cars doesn't it? Yeah and England is a country that begs to America, we taught you Europeans several lessons. We even taught you how to fight a war properly.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 Now you just look insecure and paranoid, I never said anything about braking down after 5 miles. And btw, since when was building road cars a race? At least you can drive an R8 round a track at a decent speed, enjoy it and not crash like a Corvette that needs racing driver talent to keep it on a track.
Oh this is England v America now? We put you on the map, gave you a language and nowadays you think you're special for blowing up mud huts for your freedom? Get fucked & wave a flag.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz Britain is a toilet, admit it. You can keep a Corvette on the track without it crashing, I've seen several videos of several types of sports cars crashing around tracks, maybe you should stop searching "corvette crash" on the Youtube search bar, why don't you search GTR crash or Porsche crash, or R8 crash. C6R is the best at ALMS and Le Mans, the Vette team won 4 times in a row and in 2009 they were the best. Heck Europeans even kicked the Vette team out because they were scared.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 I don't need to search for crashes, every Vette video tels me enough. Watching fanboys endlessly moan about how the guy can't drive it (turns out nobody actually can) or watching the driver have to wrestle for control all the time thanks to its poor chassis and tuning.
The Corvette has never won the 24h Le Mans in France and no Euro team could ever kick it out from the US le mans series, don't lie some more.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz Yeah sure, and what's the European fan boys excuse? I was talking about ALMS, and show me a video of a vette "crashing" around a track.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 Excuse for what? Europe builds the finest, most exciting highest quality user friendly supercars on sale today. And if you want these obscene lap times with absolute disregard for build quality and refinement we have cars like the Ultima GTR that will wipe the floor with anything on sale (and I know it has optioned Chevy engines before you play that pointless card).
As for Vettes crashing, I made a whole video about it.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz See I don't have that kind of time on my hands, it would be quite easy for me to make a whole video of Porsche's crashing. Also I admit Europeans do have the best super cars, Bugatti Veyron, CCX, Zonda, etc. However these cars cost quite a lot, anyone can build an amazing super car with tons of money. Japanese and American car manufactures build good super cars for very little money, Ford GT, GTR, ACR, Z06, CTS-V, ZR1, then theres a few "amazing" cars Saleen S7, Aero TT.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 The point is there is footage in abundance of Corvettes crashing in any other than racing driver hands and therefore wasn't very hard to make. I'll grant that the CTS-V is a very good car and the Ford GT was absolutely world class, and I'll give the S7 the benefit of the doubt but not the rest, especially the Aero.
The problem with Corvettes is the C6 looks like a flawed yet appealing car, but the same flaws translate onto the ZO6 & ZR1 just on a massively more expensive scale.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz See I bet you have tons of videos of Z06's crashing but not much ZR1's, that's because the ratio's are completely different, Z06's are quite common especially in America and Germany, so you cannot compare these type's of things because the Z06 is extremely cheap, so ratio wise the Vette's stand strong. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I can say the same for an Aston Martin.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 The way the ZR1 behaves on videos like the Nurburgring run leave a lot to be desired, it still doesn't look composed even in the hands of their chief test driver & engineer and he constantly cocks up. To be honest It's not a great time for a car with tyres & track so wide and with such a huge power+torque/weight ratio.
I don't know what you mean about Aston Martin either. If you're talking about looks then yes it's always going to be an opinion.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz Aston Martins suck at handling and we can see that there at the back of the Nurburgring times, it doesn't look composed because it's a 638HP RWD car, right when you com off the turns and put power you will spin in any car. Keep in mind he's trying to achieve the best time possible, have you seen the FXX run around the Nurburgring? that looks even less composed, but that doesn't mean it handles badly. Your the only person I've come across that says lap times don't say anything.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 Lap times don't tell you anything about handling. And no modern Aston sucks at handling, they're brilliantly balanced and predictable, although I wasn't very impressed with an 02 plate Vanquish I tried a year or so back, that was shit. The reason it steps out is because the suspension isn't properly tuned and the chassis is unpredictable, it's not so much the back end just twitching it's snapping out and having to be wrested back into control from a tank slapper.
StuRaz 10 months ago
The FXX isn't even a proper car, it's just a Ferrari test bed for new ideas, hence why you can't use it on the road. And racing cars are notoriously bad to drive or cars hell bent on lap times. Look at cars like the Gumpert Apollo, it will post the numbers but I bet it's shocking on the limit and awful to drive.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz Yeah but it still handles bends well, have you seen the R8 lap time? that's what I call horrible composure, he isn't even going as fast as the Vette yet he still has trouble on the corners.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 I haven't seen it, it would surprise me if it was that bad though. Every review praises it for being a great handling machine.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz Have you seen Audi R8 vs ZR1 Top Gear, look when the stig drive both cars the R8 is poorly composed, the ZR1 however looks very well composed.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 It looks a bit wayward but hardly uncomposed, The Corvette stepped out round follow-through and needed the brakes, never seen that before. But both cars look good in the hands of a pro driver, look at the state of the Corvette with Clarkson at the wheel. I've never seen such a mess apart from in the GT2. He drives Koenigseggs better than that.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz Top Gear is the most bias show ever, look at how he drove the Vette, he floored it on turns, a baby can drive better than that. Honestly that's just for show, the ZR1 beat the R8 round the Top gear track when Stig was driving. Top Gear is purely comedy.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 Clarkson drives EVERY car like that and nobody complains until a Corvette gets that and there's an uproar. Ferrari 599, Mclaren SLR, Koenigsegg, Carrera GT, Zonda R, Ascari A10 with similar/more power had no problems or at least nowhere near as bad as the ZR1. Then you say it's "purely comedy" but always use their logic ( E.g. it's not as fast but costs this much so it's better) and when a Corvette is given credit you take that seriously. You just don't like criticism, that is bias.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz I do take criticism, but clearly Top Gear is a comedy show not meant to be factual. Like I said Jeremy is bias against America, I mean the Stig proved him wrong "the Zr1 handles like a mad man" I can drive better than him, a baby can drive better than him, all he was doing was flooring a 638HP RWD car around corners. What a joke of a show.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 Biased against America? He bought a Ford GT, twice.
And the Stig is a professional racing driver, of course he can drive one properly but if you need to be that good to drive it properly then why bother in the first place? I just gave you a whole list of cars that shoot your bad driving argument out of the sky. You can only forgive a car so much before it just has to take the blame itself.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz You don't need to be a professional driver to drive a Vette around a track, Jeremy is just a bias idiot when it comes to American cars. The ZR1 has driving aids now so anyone can drive it, but what's the fun in that, I would drive it with traction control off and all the other bits, that's the fun in it. Nowadays you got the GTR which is a robot, ask any professional driver which on is funner.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 That's just a really desperate apology and excuse for not building a car properly. Like I said, Jeremy bought a Ford GT twice, you just can't admit it when American builds a bad car.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz I'm sure he did.... Top Gear is pathetically biased against America, Britain this Britain that. Man one of our USS Nimitz Class Air Craft Carriers can take down all of Britain.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 I can recall one time when they have favoured England over any car and that was when they let the Ascari KZ1 do a damp lap rather than wet. I repeat, you just can't admit the fact you make bad cars these days. America is the ONLY country in the world that complains about Top Gear, but still use them when it suits you.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz Of course Americans complain about Top Gear, you do realize that Top Gear is HEAVILY scripted right?
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 No it isn't. Stop embarrassing yourself with these pathetic made up excuses. It has structure and a time slot for how long each part should last but it's not scripted. I've spoken to people who have been to see it recorded and it's just obvious that it's not, too much goes wrong and there just simply isn't time to rehearse it, or write a damn script.
StuRaz 10 months ago
@StuRaz LOL wtf, do you have a windows live?
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@dreampilot2 I don't even use Windows, I use Mac. What does that have to do with anything?
StuRaz 10 months ago
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@StuRaz If you think corvettes cant corner you are either ignorant or retarded, or most likely both.
NURBURGRING LAP TIMES
C6 Z06 - 7:42
Ferrari F430 F1 - 7:55
The Z06 was a full 13 seconds faster, which is like a fucking eternity in racing.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
@StuRaz Did you just say Top Gear isn't scripted? Utter Bollocks..
petbedding01 9 months ago
@petbedding01 It's structured but not scripted. Ask people who have been, for the most part it's completely spontaneous. It lasts about 4 hours and is edited down to one hour for TV. How can 3 men rehearse a 4 hour scripted show every week? It would be impossible.
StuRaz 9 months ago
@dreampilot2 A US aircraft carrier can take down Britain?????? and your name is....DREAMPILOT.Change the 'p' and 'i' to an 'a' in your name and stop posting stupid, irrelevent comments. How typically American is that? No wonder your the most unpopular nation on earth when you come out with shit like that...
nickh1974 8 months ago
@nickh1974
One idiot doesn't represent the USA. I think the Z06 is a surprise for what it can do for the price, but it's not about being the best bang for you buck, it's about the best fastest car. I think their list overall was pretty weak. No Veyron? No KOEIRUJDSKDJALLJWEGG CCX?
Curveball 7 months ago
@Curveball Your'e right and I do apologise. I do love the Z06 and especially the ZR1. Having been to Le Mans several times, the ZR1 is definitely the best sounding and most successful car there, ask anyone who's been. Pagani Zonda R is the business though...
nickh1974 7 months ago
@nickh1974
It's all good, brother. I just think people go overboard with their bias. Just because someone doesn't like this car or that car doesn't make the car crap. Not being the car for you don't make it a terrible car. Like the Veyron, it is an amazing car, engineering work of art, mind thumbing performance......but it doesn't do anything for me. I wouldn't buy one if I could afford it. I'd have a Zonda F Roadster over a Veyron in a heartbeat. I don't hate the Veyron, it's just not for me.
Curveball 7 months ago
@Curveball If I win the lottery my friend, I'll be straight down the Ferrari shop when they bring out the 458 Scuderia (and hopefully they will) and i'll give you a text!
nickh1974 7 months ago
@nickh1974
Good deal. I love that car too. To me that is the most sexy car Ferrari has ever made. But I still love the 355 too.
Curveball 7 months ago
@Curveball Absolutely. The F355 was the last really good looking Fezza until the 458 came out. But the BIG question is...what's the best looking Ferrari ever??? tough one. 250 gto? Daytona? Dino? and wait what about the Mondial...just kidding! Gonna have to say...the 365 Daytona. Whats your verdict?
nickh1974 6 months ago
@nickh1974
I don't have a verdict. But it kind of makes the point, doesn't it? That Ferrari has so many beautiful cars it is hard to pick one above the others.
Curveball 6 months ago
@Curveball This is about being a REALISTIC list. This isn't Top Gear, where all they show you is super dangerously scary expensive cars that you'll never get the chance to own just to impress a bunch 12 year olds. Fifth Gear is keeping simple and realistic, for people who are actually in the market to buy a car. If you want to see a unrealistic unreal world list? Then go watch Clarkson, Hammond, and Captain Slow praise the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport.
krocialblack 1 month ago
@krocialblack
Can you show me where it said anything about 'realistic cars' ?
Curveball 1 month ago
@StuRaz It's very easy to say a car sucks at handling, I mean an R8 is a pig at hangling.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
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If you think corvettes cant corner you are either ignorant or retarded, or most likely both.
NURBURGRING LAP TIMES
C6 Z06 - 7:42
Ferrari F430 F1 - 7:55
The Z06 was a full 13 seconds faster, which is like a fucking eternity in racing.
dreampilot2 10 months ago
viva la vette!
Evan12345678 1 year ago
@crazyboyxx dude ferrari and vette are awesomw too
sonicadx 1 year ago
I'll take all 3. Ferrari for the track thrills. Porsche for the pussy factor, and vette for highway racing
palefaced1 1 year ago
lol my fart gets to 60mph in 5.9 seconds
the z06 gets to it in 3.6 seconds
that dude needs needs to think before he speaks
Greno 1 year ago
is this show even on TV?
Miike92 1 year ago
911 turbo wtf
dicktp 1 year ago
5.9 0-60 Wtf Wow These Guys Are Dumb Its 3.6 In 0-60 With A Good Driver With A Ok Driver About 3.9 3.8 Are Something...
SUPERBADKBOY 1 year ago
@SUPERBADKBOY Oh my god, so the difference between a good driver and a bad driver is 1 tenth of a second to 60? Grow up, kid.
StuRaz 1 year ago