I mean, if I were a theist I would steer all my atheist friends as far away from this retard as possible. Listen to William Lane Craig or Frank Turek if you want GOOD arguments for the existence of God.
This guy is stupider than Stupid McStupid from Stupid University, Stupidville, OH, USA, inventor of passive research, also known as the Fingers in the Ears Lalalalalalala Method.
JESUS CHRIST, HIS CATHOLIC-UNIVERSAL-APOSTOLIC CHURCH, SACRAMENTS, THE BIBLE, MIRACLES, HEALINGS, ST. MARY APPARITIONS, MESSAGES FROM HEAVEN, SIGNS IN 2011 ARE NOT A MYTHOLOGY BUT THE REALITY !!!
@dminnieful I was born from my mother in which I was first a growing fetus inside of her stomach. I am who I am because of chemical balances and imbalances. There is no proof of a soul (otherwise known as the source for our moral standards and the appitamy of our good)
great arguements from both sides. I choose to believe in the exsistance of God because He has and does provide answers to very difficult questions. The athiest point of view leads to more questions, no hope of a meaningful future, and lack of true purpose of life.
@epadillapop I chose not to believe in the existence of God because there is no reason to because there is no evidence. I feel sorry for anyone who believes in anything without evidence. The atheist point of view is simple, there are natural ways to explain why we are hear rather than supernatural reasons. I believe there is no set purpose to life other than to survive, because there is no afterlife and this is the only one we have... survival is a key.
@epadillapop I can see why the idea of a God may be comfortable to some people, but that doesn't make it true. I mean, I'm sure it's nice to believe that when you die you go to paradise, in reality though you just go into the same state you were before you were born: Unaware of existence, and unaware that you are unaware
@leftpuman I can't prove it, it's just common sense lol Before you were born you didn't have life, after you die you don't have life, meaning two are one in the same. If you believe there is a magical afterlife, the burden of proof is on you.
@leftpuman does much proof need to be provided? our idea of existence is what exists in the universe and our world. if there was existence prior to existence (which is impossible because there is nothing beyond existence) then we would already have knowledge and remembrance of it. You provide an unfair question, I assume you are a believer in god and heaven. So can you please prove the existence of your god or heaven?
@maxthebeast11 "does much proof need to be provided?" proof is, evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth, different ppl require different proofs to establish things as true. let me ask YOU something sir, what proof would be sufficient enough to cause you to believe the apostles accounts documented in Scripture?
@leftpuman how can you derive from the context that I provided that I believe the accounts of the apostles in the scripture? I'm confused as to how the title of the video can give you leverage for an argument. Now instead of changing the subject, please provide legitimate reasoning for why you believe in god and heaven. There are sundry different arguments so I will take anything that can be considered a rational thought ;)
@maxthebeast11 i did not change your subject, and i do not derive from your context that you do in fact believe the accounts of the apostles, i was asking what would it take to prove to you that the Bible is what it says it is? the inerrant Word of the Creator of the cosmos? is your position falsifiable?
@leftpuman alright then, I misinterpreted. As to your question, well can any plausible proof be provided that some invisible omniscient being that judges us and guides us to heaven exists? think of it as Santa Claus, he's not real, but children see him as real from the moments that the parents tell them he is. It's almost a form of brainwashing, only when they get older do they question his existence and start to question it. Thus Atheists are born, those who distinquish fact/fake
@maxthebeast11 If there is no God then EVERYTHING is purely material, including ourselves. Material things do not make decisions, but respond in determined ways to prior physical events. If man is just physical stuff, then our "decisions" and "knowledge" are mere illusions, being necessary reactions to other physical processes.There is no free will. the fact that you and i are having this discussion proves that there is an immaterial aspect to mankind(the soul). God bless u
@leftpuman everything IS purely material but you're view of it is frighteningly simplistic. Everything is constructed of atoms, matter exists beyond physical reckoning that our cognitive ability's can not comprehend but that science has proven. If someone dissect a dead brain then they will simply find flesh that used to house all of our thoughts memory's and opinions. If you examine a live brain then you will find chemicals and electric waves and life. Not good intentions and a soul.
@maxthebeast11 materialism could not be known to be true if indeed materialism is all there was, because one's belief in materialism would only be the result of prior physical processes, not the result of a conscious mind that weighed the evidence and came to "know" that materialism is true. An immaterial aspect to man is required to give meaning to the notion of free will and genuine knowledge
@theBartone9119 The reason that religion makes me sick is because people only act upon the name of god as a follower of god, so that they may do good in fear of punishment if they do evil. It brings out the true moral accountability of people, we have to be told by an invisible omniscient being to behave ourselves or we will burn for eternity. Though if you delve deeper into religion you will see that immoral things are done for god such as mutilation of children's genitalia.
Slick thinks that logic => god, but what type of logic is not mentioned. Slick only uses the Aristotle version of logic. He has not looked at all the other different versions of logic. He is a poor researcher and lies on a daily scale.
In "Part 8" of this debate, Edwin Kagin states that "everyone is born an atheist." This is a fallacious statement because if everyone is born an atheist where in the world did belief in God come from in the first place? If the first humans didn't believe in the existance of God, why did people start to believe in God later on? The culture couldn't be responsible because every culture would be atheist. The fact that humans believe in a god points to the possibility of the existance of God.
i feel. the univirse is a big ball of chemicals,you know what chamicals are right? yeah there 100% real , with the right mixture of chemicals and heat (the sun)(heat causes reactions) and the chemicals created a peice of matter(human beings) we are nothing more than germs that just so happend to be a decent scale size to the earth thats why we can rule earth, like 1,000,000,000,000 germs sitting on a muffin ,they live there, you could have been the ones sitting on a muffin. you should be happy.
Humans need a framework for rational discourse, and logic is it. It was created by humans.
If Slick wants to prove that logic wouldn't exist without god, he has to show that a godless universe wouldn't have logic in it. I await this proof with GREAT interest :D.
@JMUDoc "If Slick wants to prove that logic wouldn't exist without god, he has to show that a godless universe wouldn't have logic in it."
Wrong.
Slick could possibly argue that:
Without God, not only would there be no logic in the universe, but there also would be no universe in existance to begin with. There is no such thing as a "godless universe" because the universe requires logic, and logic comes from God. So your argument doesn't work because a godless universe doesn't work.
I saw Matt Slick at a gym near where I live that I also go to called Genesis gym. He was heavilly flirting with one of the trainers there. He is married and he told the trainer he isn't. The next day I saw him at the gym again. I got there before him and he came in, flirted with the trainer again for nearly an hour and then left. He never touched any of the gym equipment unless you consider the trainer a piece of equipment. Naughty naughty Mr. Slick. You are a married man shame on you!!!!
Matt Slick is a complete IDIOT! He is a pervert who is addicted to porn and tells anyone who disagrees with him that they have no understanding of logic. Obviously the opposite is true. He likes to have his lovers have abortions. You are a naughty naughty man Mr. Slick. GO SUCK A FUCKING DICK!!!!
I live in Boise, Idaho which is near where Mr. Slick lives. The other day I was at a Hastings entertainment store and I could not believe what I saw. The great and perfect Matt Slick was looking at the Maxim and Playboy magazines they had. I walked right over a began looking at them as well. I said "Hello mr. Slick" and he very quickly left the store. It was very amusing.
@Gr33nkiwi I understand what you're trying to say, but really the simplest definition of god that most people use is someone (or something) that not only created us, but acknowledges us. I'm an atheist so I know if this planet blew up the universe wouldn't even blink. There would be some minor gravitational shift in this solar system but other than that no one would care. 99.9% of the people who believe in god would say that if this planet blew up something would at least acknowledge that.
That's a good point. I guess I should have been more clear; I believe in the idea that something is defined by you as an individual. I personally define God as what created us, therefore I say I believe in God (though I am an atheist (well agnostic) if you want to go by accepted definitions in society.)
My idea is that we should each define our own God and accept everyone's various realities. This may be a naive thought, seeing as I doubt society will ever entirely accept this
@Gr33nkiwi You had me until the last paragraph. I'm not going to accept other realities that are just ridiculous. The idea that the Earth was created 6000 years ago in 6 days and on the 7th day the almighty creator needed to rest is incredibly asinine. Our ability as homo sapiens to decipher the truth through reason and logic is what separates us from other animals. It's what makes us special compared to a chimpanzee.
I can't think of any point-blank evidence. I can only think of ideas and facts that strongly support our view. There is also ideas and facts that support their view (not all the crazy religious crap, but the idea of God himself).
Not all people who believe in God believe in religion. Check out Transcendentalism; probably the most advanced and intelligent ideas of God.
@Gr33nkiwi Dude, I know that you can believe in god and not be religious. Most of my friends are that way.
The simplest answer I can give you is since there's no evidence for god, why should I believe that the theory of god should be taken seriously? Should I take seriously the theory of "Pluto is made out of Cheese"? I can't prove that Pluto isn't made out of cheese, but if you use your common sense you'll realize that it's a ridiculous theory, just like the theory of god.
@Gr33nkiwi Have the courage to state your opinion w/o the crutches of wikipedia. If you think Transcendentalism is a good point to your argument, include in in your argument. Don't be a coward and make me look it up. I don't care what wikipedia says about transcendentalism, I care about what you have to say about transcendentalism. Don't be afraid and hide behind wikipedia, try to persuade me with logical persuasive writing. I'll be here when you get back.
I took this to mean you didn't understand it. Transcendentalism isn't easy to summarize, but whatever. It would have been easier to make my case if you understood it, but whatever.
Transcendentalism is the idea that God transcends the empirical and physical and can only be found through intuition. This means that God exists outside nature, and does not need a purpose to present itself, however he is apparent through observing nature (CONT)
(CONT) basically Transcendentalism is the belief that God can only be found in yourself. He does not play a roll in nature or any part of the world. He represents the natural beauty of the world (ie nature) and to appreciate nature is to appreciate God.
This God can not be disproved, however it is impossible to prove him to anyone else.
Transcendentalism is ultimately a "quest for truth," truth being what each individual views as "correct."
Clearly you COMPLETELY misunderstood the point, seeing as the point of transcendentalism is a quest for truth, truth being what an individual views as correct. This means that you PERSONALLY don't believe in God. Your quest for truth surround this. I personally believe in a "God" (although not religion/ a specific God.) My quest for truth surrounds this.
@Gr33nkiwi Well if you think that the idea of god goes beyond quantifiable boundaries into some sort of supernatural realm then I have just wasted the last hour of my life. You're not a jesus freak, but you're a spiritual freak.
"I believe that God transcends the physical and empirical. Take of that what you will." Lol, the biggest bullshit I have ever heard. Later.
I do not believe God physically exists. I also do not believe he directly impacts anyone. I do not believe in prayer. I do not believe there is any way to "contact God."
I believe in natural beauty and natural laws. I believe in empiricism, and I believe that there are no direct answers to any questions.
What a cheap trick. Is Russian logic better than French logic? We are not morons, Rev. Slick. The idea about logic to be an extension (a function) of language considers the Language as a human phenomenon not a particular ethnic language. Dah!?
The whole structure of Rev Slicks’ logical proves for existence of god is as valid of Baron Munchausen’s story where he dragged himself out of the water through puling his own hair up. Slick accepts a priori existence of transcendental logic and posteriori that logic is given by god. So his proof is a based on false premise (logic can be created only by a transcendent being) and false reason (we observe existence of transcendent logic only) hence, false conclusion (god exists).
Despite of the fact that logic cannot be property of the universe, Slick offers another falsification and trick - he states: if logic is a property of the universe we have to use logic to test the logic – absurd, he finishes. If this is logical then we cannot test theories of physics through test built on principals of the physics…
This is a cheap clerical trick. After big noise about him being logical and distracting the audience with the stupid story about coins, Slick offers false argument: premise: there are 2 options god exists or does not; reason: because logics exist; conclusion: god exists (big rubbish). No one introduced or can prove a premise like “If logics exist, god exists too.”
Same like the famous improvable premise: if objective morals exist, god exists too.
The good "reverend" did not understood what a dichotomy is, when the video was taped. If his definition is true, then somehow his god is subject to the same logical rules as we humans are.
"Use logic but do not think, who cares in what you think, the truth exists..." Is the Logic unrelated to thinking?! Or if the truth exists without thinking that it is exists, it can be an absolute logic?! Moreover, thinking is not a chemical process in the brain?
to lie us again by promising us the eternal life if we follow him. So as we are gifted with a logic ability we cannot listen to any one who says I am the God or I am the evil, I love you with an absolute condition, listen to me and do what I say...obey me and do not ask but listen to...So we cannot believe to those who are responsible for our suffering at all, and we cannot call a pure love a conditional love.
As the God created us as His image, and He is independent, why His images could be dependent? That means we are not completely the God image. Or, since the God predict the future, why He was not able to predict the devil that He created as an angel? So Eva and Adam are completely innocents. If the devil is causing so bad things to people, and we must hate it, why we have to love God who was the first that decided for us to suffer and die, and so gave the possibility to devil
For Mat: As we know, the God didn't allowed us to have a logic or the conception of the reality, because he ordered Eva and Adam to not "eat the apple', and for this He punished them and all the human beings to suffer and die. Do you think was it a valid logic of God?! If the God created us with a logic ability, why He was so angry when Eva and Adam used their logic, that God loved them so how they would be punished by taking away the most precious gift that was given to them, the eternal life.
@dianabxh there were 2 trees - the 'tree of life' which God put man in front of, and the other the tree of knowledge of good and evil which He warned would cause them to die. There was no apple there. Logically you should get the story right 1st. One caused fellowship with God the other independence and rebellion from God.
God wasn't angry He was concerned for man because now He had an evil nature in him that would cause him to die. God slayed the lambs for them a sybol of Christs redemption.
@xrisb@xrisb It seems that Evil existed before since God wanted to test the man if he would touch the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Moreover, it was Good who "plant the trees", and since it was ONLY GOD in the beginning and nothing else, why the "tree" had the knowledge of evil, because God is only good? It was God also evil?!
God created us as his His image, so you are right when you say "He was concerned..." and since God cannot see Himself dying because He is immortal,
@dianabxh - yes of course evil existed before man - after all it was the tree of the knowledge of good and of evil!! Here's the theme that runs through the bible - God creates - Satan corrupts - God recovers, restores and replaces with Christ (who is the reality of the tree of life). When Christ came the tree of life came for man to partake of again until then the law kept us like a child conducter. What we eat is what we become - we are full of death because we eat from the wrong tree even now
@xrisb How the evil existed before the man? In the bible it says that the first angel that God created to help him to create everything became evil from the jealousy of the love of the God for the man, and to destroy that LOVE he advice the man to eat from the forbidden "tree". That is, the good and evil were two things that God just knew. But WHO was characterized from those two opposite qualities? Why God wanted to test the man? He was not sure what kind of creatures he composed?
@dianabxh - The "tree of life" is the tree God wanted man to eat from because it was God's nature. The "tree of knowledge of good and of evil" was the tree God warned man that if he ate of it he would die. These trees are depicting two different natures. Satan was fallen way before he knew of man otherwise he would not of fallen into God's trap. Before hand Satan was elusive not able to be delt with but once he had entered into man he was now contained to be delt with on th cross. Gen 3:15
@xrisb What do you mean with"... God's trap"? For what reason God needed a trap for the Satan or men? Do you mean God was suspicious about his knowledges or his control over His creatures? (What kind of power He posses!) Or do you mean Satan was another existed powerful source, but so lazy to create things by himself so he wanted to corrupt the God's creatures? However, let's say that we were born sinners because the man listened to Satan and not to God, so that we all must suffer and die.
@dianabxh - no I mean God has an eternal purpose that has everything to do with man - God wants man to cooperate with Him eg He wanted man to have domonion... Satan fell and was cast out of the heaven. He corrupted a 3rd of the angels and had already corrupted the preadamic race which God judged with the deep - thus they became the demons (disembodied souls). Satan then corupted man and got his nature into man before God did - but now was contained in the flesh to be judged on the Christs cross.
@xrisb We also have been born sinners because we were produced by brothers and sisters, and this was the fault of the God, who created just only one couple. Maybe you'll say that we couldn't be aware of this sin if we wouldn't eat from the "tree of knowledge", but how to explain this scientifically? Do you think the man and his first children didn't have ADN? How God didn't think that human beings, even though the man wouldn't fallen in the Satan's trap, could be retarded?
@xrisb If it is true that God knows everything before they happen, it is not our fault or the Evil fault, because we or he were programmed to behave in the way that our creator wanted. It is not our fault if the good and evil exist among us. Also it was not the fault of Juda who gave up the Jesus Christ, because that was decided from God to happen in that way. Moreover, in the moment of the crucifixion Jesus said: " Father forgive them because they do not know what they are doing".
IMO the Christian guy is thinking about logic in the wrong way. At one time in the ancient past there where no humans. Logic did not exist then because there where no human minds that could grasp and understand logic. At that time logic was still true but it did not exist, since it had not jet been created by the human mind.
@johngeetar Oh yeah? That figures. Oh and another thing. Lets say that his argument for the existents of God works, just for the sake of argument. That still tells us nothing of value about the God in question, certainly not enough to form any particular religion like Christianity. TAG was not intended to defend Islam for example but it could easily do that.
@FrozenPetrolPie This is why apologists love debates. The debate topic was "Does God Exist." Matt was free to define God in any way he chose (or not at all) and still walk away feeling victorious after not even coming close to proving his actual beliefs. In all fairness Kagin did a god awful job (no pun intended) in this debate. One had to wonder if he even listened to anything Slick said. The best part is the red haired kid who ripped him a new one in the audience questions portion.
Why does Matt define "GOD" as he did? I notice the very same attributes of his "Christian" GOD, match discription of the Jewish "GOD" or countless other imaginary "GOD's of the ancients. He knows what can not logically be known. Regards
@felisleo101 This conversation is not based on proof of the events, but the events, if you want to argue about that, than I am not intellectually capable at this point to do that, I apologize. If you read the accounts, you will see that these people were always attacking the Israelites. And the nevada comparison is negate, because God does not and never will punish the innocent. Please PM me if you wish to reply.
@atheistryan *which outnumbered them, would have wiped them out. God never desired to wipeout those nations, just like hopefully all people don't take joy in lethally restraining people who intrude in their homes. My uncle actually killed a man who broke into his house. Does that mean that he is bipolar because the next day he gave a homeless man some food? No, it just means that at one time the undesirable action had to be taken. Yes, Jesus said we should love our enemies, We should, and
You are comparing a case of self-defense with the mass-genocide (down to the little children) of entire nations. An actual comparison would be if your uncle then found out about the man who broke into his house, then went and systematically killed every single solitary member of that man's extended family, even though they did him no wrong. If your uncle had done that, then we could have a fair comparison.
@atheistryan do you believe in capital punishment? Do you believe that people do things that warrant death? God Does, and thats what happened. Also, God did not tell them to rape anyone. They took then virgin women in and took care of them. The culture the women were leaving in was rampant with prostitution, rape, and sexual immorality. God is a god of justice and wrath and sometimes, men need to be destroyed in order to protect the whole human race. The Israelites were the race god was ra
And these assertions about the rival tribes are based on what evidence, exactly? And prostitution exists in Nevada. Does that mean it would be moral for you to lead in army and murder every single man, woman and child in Nevada, save for those few virgin girls you want to "take care of" as you put it? Honestly, your rather pathetic defense of this is like trying to pass off the Rwandan Genocide as a moral act.
Can you explain to me why the god of "love" ordered the complete wholesale slaughter of everyone living in the land of Canaan in the Torah and in Joshua, but then in Matthew 5:44 Jesus teaches "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"???
Explain to me why he isn't bi-polar? Doesn't matter anyway. It's no more real than "The Epic of Gilgamesh"
@SeverinAresWinters Well the command to kill the canannites was a great command. A lot of the ones GOd told us to kill in Old testament were half demon. I see no issue here. If you see a problem then you are admitting to a moral absolute that genocide is bad no exceptions.
2.) This is not contradictory because the genocide was necessary for the coming of christ so the blood line of the messiah would not be corrupt. Jesus said he din't come to bring piece but rather a sword.
@SeverinAresWinters 3.) Now notice how in hebrews it says that when the new covenant comes in place the old is obsolete and will disappear. So really now that jesus is alive and has made the new covenant the old one is now gone.
So in conclusion you can say all you want that god is evil but honestly you as an atheist cannot account for morals yourself so I would challenge you to show me where did that objective moral you are admitting to come from?
zkueker88..In my opinion, god is an abstract concept. I say that there is no god. I base this on the total absence of empirical objective evidence. Now you will say that there is a god. You base this on a single antiquated book and on nothing more than subjective experiences that have all been interpreted through this same book. You will say that god exists whether I believe it or not and that he doesn’t need anyone’s belief to exist. I say prove it. Sadly, you cannot.
Forget about God There are two things that will keep you in good stead without all that rubish, and thats always crap in works time and learn to read upside down. Cheers people
Slick breaks the sound barrier on mistakes per minute. Let's try one - "If there are only two possibilies to explain somthing and one is incapable of explaining it then the other is true by default". There is a pink rabbit running in circles at the center of the earth causing it to spin - my God tells me so and you cannot explain it so I win. Science does not YET completely understand reasoning and consciousness. We will - like everything else we do not need a God to explain it.
it was an interesting debate. i guess the hard part was on the mr slick's shoulders, trying to prove something. the end of the debate was a little messy, with everybody speaking randomly. mr edwin lost his profesional attitude close to the end, when he became impatient, indiferent, and interrupting others.
first of all, youtube is not a place for big discussions like this (not even instant messenger is a good comm medium). second, i hope that everyone who commented and will comment, will watch all 15 parts (first part has almost 40k views, part 15 has 6k in the moment of writing this)
@filorps I guess you have not read the TAG argument. There are only two possibilities, God or no God, because they are an antonymic pair. I mean i can say there is another possibility like flying unicorns created the universe, but not all possibilities make probabilities, and the argument is that we can claim victory on account of the Atheists irrationality to account for LA's.
Why does not Matt Slick ever debate the Universalists (those who believe in the ultimate reconciliation of ALL)? He won't even allow them to post anything on his site, he has banned them. Curious.
i cannot believe a man this literate honestly thinks there is an invisible superman and that a poorly written jumble of fables is the absolute perfect word of said invisible superman.
Four reasons why I think there is no god; A) Total absence from the natural world. No sign of a god, before, during or after, natural disastres B) The absolute absence of favoritism towards believers. Even churches need lightning-rods to protect them from god. C) The absence of any reaction, when crimes are committed in his name. C) The suffering of the innocent. One could accept that the guilty must suffer, but children ???
Four common sense reasons why there is no god; A) Total absence from the natural world. No sign of a god, before, during or after, natural disastres B) The absolute absence of favoritism towards believers. Even churches need lightning-rods to protect them from god. C) The absence of any reaction, when crimes are committed in his name. C) The suffering of the innocent. One could accept that the guilty must suffer, but children ???
Slick is someone who is good with words. Even though he is wrong he keeps his cool and dodges questions to make it seem like he does have the answer. Because of his stupidity and ignorance (and faulty logic) Dr. Kagan gets mad.
FALLACY! haha, thanks for the logic lesson prof/rev.
p.s. logical absolutes are unique and necessary. they not only apply to themselves, but they are also true by definition (a is a, not a is not a) and they apply in any universe, and even to your god. can god be god and not god?
Thanks for putting this up. I almost got through the entire thing, but eventually had to stop. It was pretty painful listening to Slick argue the same thing over and over again as his only piece of evidence. It really just seems like the philosophy equivalent of the bacterial flagellum.
Also, judging by the majority of questions asked by the audience, most of the few intellectual arguments were probably lost on them.
The vatican is responsible for many cases of pedofilia and sexual abuse...True but so are some cops , politicians , ect .The society of the past were shuting down their eyes on things , thats the way it was back then ...They just didn't know what to do about it .Dont worry there's still alot of good people to .But The society today talk mostly about bad things . They realy have to change their ways .But dont wory alout of good beings are among you. Alot of turning around whill take affect.
the atheist have to answer to anything .. no we dont know , none of us knows; we dont yet know , we dont have a clue , i cant answer that question , the atheist should just say we have chosen the evil one and done with that debate thing. but God is loving and he dont want anyone to be lost
@kieranjoseph Just because the atheist doesnt agree with the theist makes them chose evil? how many atheists kill because they have different views on god? Religion and god has caused plenty of war in this world, atheists find this rediculous... we are evil? what war has a disbeliefe started?
if i should pay u some kind of good payment... why should i give it to you? wouldnt i think "this guy needs to proove me that he is worthy". Now think about it... Humans were with God at the beginning. We were cast out of paradise because we were not worthy of being there since we did not listen to the words of God. How do we get in there again? - Acting by the words of God. There is my answer to your question... maybe somebody else got another answer :) God bless you.
@xxAtrinxx May I ask you a question? if god created us and we did not listen to his words or did not comply to what he said why is it our fault for he has programmed our minds right? I know he gave us free will to think on our own, but since he created that as well doesnt that just come back to god the author being a poor author? Eve ate the fruit because of the snake but whatever programming god gave eve caused her to eat the fruit is it eves fault?
i get your point :) but as you said your self.. he gave us free will. Maybe God just wants us to listen to him by our own free will, instead of making forcing us to. Same as if u have children... would you force ur child to be nice or would u rather see ur child being nice by its own free will?
@dsmrider there is no free will, it is a man-made hoax. It is said NOWHERE in the bible that free will exists, however it is written in many scriptures that God is totally sovereign and in charge of man. We do have the ability to make choices that are caused by outside influence. There is a huge difference. Free will definition: Freedom of self determination and action independent of external causes. God himself says that he created evil. See Isaiah 45:7
@redtygrr so what is it? god is in charge of man and we do bad things? or god made evil thus we do bad things? either way i dont see any reason to praise such a god.... Please explain why such a " god " would be praised.. these are easy questions compared to the many i could be asking you.. give them a try if you will.
@dsmrider I have more questions than answers myself, when it comes to God, the bible,etc. I am refuting what the guy on this video (Slick) claims on his website, that man has freewill. Scriptures state otherwise. I have had my share of doubts about a loving God, however there are some good sites that you can visit to answer your questions: Google either Bible Truths (by LRay Smith) or Hope Beyond hell (by Gerry Beucheman). They are very informative.
@redtygrr the questions that kept me from GOd and bible which church never answered were fouind by me. is crazy , but the killing in old tst. was for Genesis 6. the fallen angels with satan came down to be worshipped( babylon many gods, zeus, etc.were fallen angels. ) they "got with" human women and made hybrids to corrupt bloodline of adam so there could be no messiah of pure dna. noah and friends had pure dna. crazy but true. God is Love.
@TheDarkSide010 it is a " test " ... There are plenty of empty answers to that question probably the answer you will hear most would be faith.. you dont need to see something if you truly believe in it... somehow that works together dont ask me..
God does exist and he is sourrounded by pure beings. You have much to learn. Its not your only life. We are all following the path of light, some whill take them many lives to reach that goal. Aniways 2 hints : Help your fellow and follow the path of goodness. Its realy not complicated. The rest will be revealed to you during your journey ! Alot of things cant be revealed to you right now , it would only confuse to many . P3AC3
@p4tst3r I have heard time and time again that god is everywhere and god is pure good.. but how would that explain evil in the world? May I ask you a question.. why where you find god the most you also find chaos the most.. the least god the less chaos.. It's demographically proven you can not dodge that.
@dsmrider This world is realy not the best of worlds but it doesn't mean that you have to get influence by it . They are still bad spirits (dont want to go to the light by hatred or just lost souls ) or beings that want tHE Mankind to fell. (FALLEN ANGELS ). Least god = less chaos !! Euh ? you realy lost me there. In Canada there's no chaos and plenty of religion , in VATICAN PLENTY OF RELIGION AND NO CHAOS. Liberty, kindness, and being a pacific society helps.
@p4tst3r Christians want the world to come to an end, " judgement day " I live in canada religion here is very moderate, thus we do not have too many problems.. The vatican is responsible for many cases of pedofilia and sexual abuse... Remember this, the people responsible for founding north america left Europe to pursue a more moderate religious society and to create a secular system and it works... they kept religion to a minimum and its better.. unfortunately US fell back under christian rule
all the tests done back in 1950s...were they took rocks and mud with acids..and subjected them to heat and light and water..and tried to get living cells..
they failed horribly..
but the the evolutionist and atheist..still claim they made life..what BULLSHIT..FUCKIN LIES...
All you must do is look and observe your favorite pets and you will see that there must be a God. When I look at my cat and how he acts, I know that there is a God that created him for me. I have many times felt the presence of God and I know that God does exist. In order to have faith, you must allow God to come into your life.
"If there are only two explanations we know of and one is wrong then the other by default is write."
Right, so in that case I suppose that people wheren't infected with germs back before we had modern medicine. Instead they where afflicted with evil spirits or improper humours right?
IF there are only two explanations possible he might have a point... considering we DON'T know everything does not mean there are only two.
Just when you think apologists can't possibly come any more dishonest and intellectually bankrupt than Willian Lane Craig, you come across Matt Slick and all your illusions are shattered.
Name one thing in the real world that cannot be confirmed with evidence?
Love is simply a electrochemical reaction in the brain that causes us to form strong social bonds. These bonds is beneficial to the species in so far as it helps us to reproduce more effectively. For that reason love is an evolutionary advantage.
Faith is not required to explain anything we experience.
@bustermk2 To believe in anything without evidence is illogical.
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Profess and believe ONLY if you have proof and evidence!
Belief in anything without proof and evidence is FUTILE, let alone God!
Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate? ...
Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws o
Does God Exist? No. Now lets' all go home and live our lives
nortalus 3 weeks ago
@nortalus let me guess, in our sin?
overcomeevilwithgood 20 hours ago
I mean, if I were a theist I would steer all my atheist friends as far away from this retard as possible. Listen to William Lane Craig or Frank Turek if you want GOOD arguments for the existence of God.
This guy is stupider than Stupid McStupid from Stupid University, Stupidville, OH, USA, inventor of passive research, also known as the Fingers in the Ears Lalalalalalala Method.
therzaoflollygags 3 weeks ago
After watching the whole thing, I'm sure Slick is retarded. MY GOD HE IS DUMB!
therzaoflollygags 3 weeks ago
I think Slick might actually be retarded.
therzaoflollygags 3 weeks ago
Only a few minutes in and this is probably the worst argument I've ever seen from a theist.
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JezusSlave 1 month ago
god is real!!!why do you think you were born!!go put a soul in you when you were a baby and thats why your who you aretoday!
dminnieful 2 months ago
@dminnieful I was born from my mother in which I was first a growing fetus inside of her stomach. I am who I am because of chemical balances and imbalances. There is no proof of a soul (otherwise known as the source for our moral standards and the appitamy of our good)
maxthebeast11 1 month ago
great arguements from both sides. I choose to believe in the exsistance of God because He has and does provide answers to very difficult questions. The athiest point of view leads to more questions, no hope of a meaningful future, and lack of true purpose of life.
epadillapop 2 months ago
@epadillapop
Providing answers to what? How to repress women? How to treat your slaves?
shiya3 2 months ago
@epadillapop I chose not to believe in the existence of God because there is no reason to because there is no evidence. I feel sorry for anyone who believes in anything without evidence. The atheist point of view is simple, there are natural ways to explain why we are hear rather than supernatural reasons. I believe there is no set purpose to life other than to survive, because there is no afterlife and this is the only one we have... survival is a key.
theBartone9119 2 months ago
@epadillapop I can see why the idea of a God may be comfortable to some people, but that doesn't make it true. I mean, I'm sure it's nice to believe that when you die you go to paradise, in reality though you just go into the same state you were before you were born: Unaware of existence, and unaware that you are unaware
theBartone9119 2 months ago
@theBartone9119 "in reality you(after death) go into the same state you were before you were born" to which i ask you politely, prove it. thanks
leftpuman 2 months ago
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@leftpuman I can't prove it, it's just common sense lol Before you were born you didn't have life, after you die you don't have life, meaning two are one in the same. If you believe there is a magical afterlife, the burden of proof is on you.
theBartone9119 2 months ago
@leftpuman does much proof need to be provided? our idea of existence is what exists in the universe and our world. if there was existence prior to existence (which is impossible because there is nothing beyond existence) then we would already have knowledge and remembrance of it. You provide an unfair question, I assume you are a believer in god and heaven. So can you please prove the existence of your god or heaven?
maxthebeast11 1 month ago
@maxthebeast11 "does much proof need to be provided?" proof is, evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth, different ppl require different proofs to establish things as true. let me ask YOU something sir, what proof would be sufficient enough to cause you to believe the apostles accounts documented in Scripture?
leftpuman 1 month ago
@leftpuman how can you derive from the context that I provided that I believe the accounts of the apostles in the scripture? I'm confused as to how the title of the video can give you leverage for an argument. Now instead of changing the subject, please provide legitimate reasoning for why you believe in god and heaven. There are sundry different arguments so I will take anything that can be considered a rational thought ;)
maxthebeast11 1 month ago
@maxthebeast11 i did not change your subject, and i do not derive from your context that you do in fact believe the accounts of the apostles, i was asking what would it take to prove to you that the Bible is what it says it is? the inerrant Word of the Creator of the cosmos? is your position falsifiable?
leftpuman 1 month ago
@leftpuman alright then, I misinterpreted. As to your question, well can any plausible proof be provided that some invisible omniscient being that judges us and guides us to heaven exists? think of it as Santa Claus, he's not real, but children see him as real from the moments that the parents tell them he is. It's almost a form of brainwashing, only when they get older do they question his existence and start to question it. Thus Atheists are born, those who distinquish fact/fake
maxthebeast11 1 month ago
@maxthebeast11 If there is no God then EVERYTHING is purely material, including ourselves. Material things do not make decisions, but respond in determined ways to prior physical events. If man is just physical stuff, then our "decisions" and "knowledge" are mere illusions, being necessary reactions to other physical processes.There is no free will. the fact that you and i are having this discussion proves that there is an immaterial aspect to mankind(the soul). God bless u
leftpuman 1 month ago
@leftpuman everything IS purely material but you're view of it is frighteningly simplistic. Everything is constructed of atoms, matter exists beyond physical reckoning that our cognitive ability's can not comprehend but that science has proven. If someone dissect a dead brain then they will simply find flesh that used to house all of our thoughts memory's and opinions. If you examine a live brain then you will find chemicals and electric waves and life. Not good intentions and a soul.
maxthebeast11 1 month ago
@maxthebeast11 materialism could not be known to be true if indeed materialism is all there was, because one's belief in materialism would only be the result of prior physical processes, not the result of a conscious mind that weighed the evidence and came to "know" that materialism is true. An immaterial aspect to man is required to give meaning to the notion of free will and genuine knowledge
leftpuman 1 month ago
@theBartone9119 The reason that religion makes me sick is because people only act upon the name of god as a follower of god, so that they may do good in fear of punishment if they do evil. It brings out the true moral accountability of people, we have to be told by an invisible omniscient being to behave ourselves or we will burn for eternity. Though if you delve deeper into religion you will see that immoral things are done for god such as mutilation of children's genitalia.
maxthebeast11 1 month ago
Slick thinks that logic => god, but what type of logic is not mentioned. Slick only uses the Aristotle version of logic. He has not looked at all the other different versions of logic. He is a poor researcher and lies on a daily scale.
huntmatuk 3 months ago
Why did the atheist get cut-off in Part 2?
cainb 3 months ago
If you want evidence that God exists, or are interested in 9/11 search Jonathan Cahn 1 - Harbinger the Warning, on youtube here.
IwillhonorGod 4 months ago
In "Part 8" of this debate, Edwin Kagin states that "everyone is born an atheist." This is a fallacious statement because if everyone is born an atheist where in the world did belief in God come from in the first place? If the first humans didn't believe in the existance of God, why did people start to believe in God later on? The culture couldn't be responsible because every culture would be atheist. The fact that humans believe in a god points to the possibility of the existance of God.
HDell1994 4 months ago
@HDell1994 You're discounting the possibility (among others) that someone made up God in the first place and then someone else believed them.
cainb 3 months ago
"Since atheists can't explain where Logic came from, it must be from God, therefore God exists'"
Nope. Not knowing where something came from doesn't mean God exists, it just means that don't know where it came from. That's all.
The only person 'jumping' to the God answer here is Slick.
I assume he's incapable of considering the posibility that Logic just exists without a creator.
"Oh, but everything by necessity needs a creator"
But not your God, though, eh? How convenient.
Uberlaser 4 months ago
black belt in run-fu :)
aierce 4 months ago
i feel. the univirse is a big ball of chemicals,you know what chamicals are right? yeah there 100% real , with the right mixture of chemicals and heat (the sun)(heat causes reactions) and the chemicals created a peice of matter(human beings) we are nothing more than germs that just so happend to be a decent scale size to the earth thats why we can rule earth, like 1,000,000,000,000 germs sitting on a muffin ,they live there, you could have been the ones sitting on a muffin. you should be happy.
5822391 5 months ago
@5822391 You don't make sense.
Zentz29 5 months ago
I'm an atheist and I account for logic thus:
Humans need a framework for rational discourse, and logic is it. It was created by humans.
If Slick wants to prove that logic wouldn't exist without god, he has to show that a godless universe wouldn't have logic in it. I await this proof with GREAT interest :D.
JMUDoc 5 months ago
@JMUDoc "If Slick wants to prove that logic wouldn't exist without god, he has to show that a godless universe wouldn't have logic in it."
Wrong.
Slick could possibly argue that:
Without God, not only would there be no logic in the universe, but there also would be no universe in existance to begin with. There is no such thing as a "godless universe" because the universe requires logic, and logic comes from God. So your argument doesn't work because a godless universe doesn't work.
HDell1994 4 months ago
THUMBS UP IF YOU THINK "MATT DILAHUNTY" WROTE THE SPEECH FOR HIM
sanjosebum85 5 months ago
I saw Matt Slick at a gym near where I live that I also go to called Genesis gym. He was heavilly flirting with one of the trainers there. He is married and he told the trainer he isn't. The next day I saw him at the gym again. I got there before him and he came in, flirted with the trainer again for nearly an hour and then left. He never touched any of the gym equipment unless you consider the trainer a piece of equipment. Naughty naughty Mr. Slick. You are a married man shame on you!!!!
MrSupernova890 6 months ago
Your god sucks cuz my god created you god. Problem?
darkinis 6 months ago
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Matt Slick is a complete IDIOT! He is a pervert who is addicted to porn and tells anyone who disagrees with him that they have no understanding of logic. Obviously the opposite is true. He likes to have his lovers have abortions. You are a naughty naughty man Mr. Slick. GO SUCK A FUCKING DICK!!!!
MrSupernova890 6 months ago in playlist Christian Apologetics
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I live in Boise, Idaho which is near where Mr. Slick lives. The other day I was at a Hastings entertainment store and I could not believe what I saw. The great and perfect Matt Slick was looking at the Maxim and Playboy magazines they had. I walked right over a began looking at them as well. I said "Hello mr. Slick" and he very quickly left the store. It was very amusing.
MrSupernova890 7 months ago
If we define God as "Whoever or whatever created us" then, yes, God exists and he falls under whatever definition you believe.
I sense this is too simple for society these days though :(
Gr33nkiwi 7 months ago
@Gr33nkiwi I understand what you're trying to say, but really the simplest definition of god that most people use is someone (or something) that not only created us, but acknowledges us. I'm an atheist so I know if this planet blew up the universe wouldn't even blink. There would be some minor gravitational shift in this solar system but other than that no one would care. 99.9% of the people who believe in god would say that if this planet blew up something would at least acknowledge that.
CenkIsAdorable 7 months ago
@CenkIsAdorable
That's a good point. I guess I should have been more clear; I believe in the idea that something is defined by you as an individual. I personally define God as what created us, therefore I say I believe in God (though I am an atheist (well agnostic) if you want to go by accepted definitions in society.)
My idea is that we should each define our own God and accept everyone's various realities. This may be a naive thought, seeing as I doubt society will ever entirely accept this
Gr33nkiwi 7 months ago
@Gr33nkiwi You had me until the last paragraph. I'm not going to accept other realities that are just ridiculous. The idea that the Earth was created 6000 years ago in 6 days and on the 7th day the almighty creator needed to rest is incredibly asinine. Our ability as homo sapiens to decipher the truth through reason and logic is what separates us from other animals. It's what makes us special compared to a chimpanzee.
CenkIsAdorable 6 months ago
@CenkIsAdorable
Not accept their views, but accept that those are their views.
Gr33nkiwi 6 months ago
@Gr33nkiwi I don't really understand.....of course I accept that's their views, all i'm saying is that their view is stupid.
CenkIsAdorable 6 months ago
@CenkIsAdorable
I agree their views are stupid too, but they probably view our views as just as stupid.
Gr33nkiwi 6 months ago
@Gr33nkiwi lol ok? I agree that they may, but at the same time, there views are stupider than my views.
You know why?
EVIDENCE! The ultimate arbiter of truth!
CenkIsAdorable 6 months ago
@CenkIsAdorable
I can't think of any point-blank evidence. I can only think of ideas and facts that strongly support our view. There is also ideas and facts that support their view (not all the crazy religious crap, but the idea of God himself).
Not all people who believe in God believe in religion. Check out Transcendentalism; probably the most advanced and intelligent ideas of God.
Gr33nkiwi 6 months ago
@Gr33nkiwi Dude, I know that you can believe in god and not be religious. Most of my friends are that way.
The simplest answer I can give you is since there's no evidence for god, why should I believe that the theory of god should be taken seriously? Should I take seriously the theory of "Pluto is made out of Cheese"? I can't prove that Pluto isn't made out of cheese, but if you use your common sense you'll realize that it's a ridiculous theory, just like the theory of god.
CenkIsAdorable 6 months ago
@CenkIsAdorable
I'm assuming you didn't look up transcendentalism.
Gr33nkiwi 6 months ago
@Gr33nkiwi I'm assuming that you're trying to dodge my points in my previous post.
CenkIsAdorable 6 months ago
@CenkIsAdorable
I didn't dodge your points, I pointed to a perfectly legitimate response - Transcendentalism.
Gr33nkiwi 6 months ago
@Gr33nkiwi Have the courage to state your opinion w/o the crutches of wikipedia. If you think Transcendentalism is a good point to your argument, include in in your argument. Don't be a coward and make me look it up. I don't care what wikipedia says about transcendentalism, I care about what you have to say about transcendentalism. Don't be afraid and hide behind wikipedia, try to persuade me with logical persuasive writing. I'll be here when you get back.
CenkIsAdorable 6 months ago
@CenkIsAdorable
I took this to mean you didn't understand it. Transcendentalism isn't easy to summarize, but whatever. It would have been easier to make my case if you understood it, but whatever.
Transcendentalism is the idea that God transcends the empirical and physical and can only be found through intuition. This means that God exists outside nature, and does not need a purpose to present itself, however he is apparent through observing nature (CONT)
Gr33nkiwi 6 months ago
@CenkIsAdorable
(CONT) basically Transcendentalism is the belief that God can only be found in yourself. He does not play a roll in nature or any part of the world. He represents the natural beauty of the world (ie nature) and to appreciate nature is to appreciate God.
This God can not be disproved, however it is impossible to prove him to anyone else.
Transcendentalism is ultimately a "quest for truth," truth being what each individual views as "correct."
Gr33nkiwi 6 months ago
@Gr33nkiwi How come I can't find god in myself? Am I defective?
CenkIsAdorable 6 months ago
@CenkIsAdorable
Clearly you COMPLETELY misunderstood the point, seeing as the point of transcendentalism is a quest for truth, truth being what an individual views as correct. This means that you PERSONALLY don't believe in God. Your quest for truth surround this. I personally believe in a "God" (although not religion/ a specific God.) My quest for truth surrounds this.
Gr33nkiwi 6 months ago
@Gr33nkiwi Oh, ok, well as long as you don't think that it's anything supernatural I agree.
CenkIsAdorable 6 months ago
@CenkIsAdorable
I believe that God transcends the physical and empirical. Take of that what you will.
Gr33nkiwi 6 months ago
@Gr33nkiwi Well if you think that the idea of god goes beyond quantifiable boundaries into some sort of supernatural realm then I have just wasted the last hour of my life. You're not a jesus freak, but you're a spiritual freak.
"I believe that God transcends the physical and empirical. Take of that what you will." Lol, the biggest bullshit I have ever heard. Later.
CenkIsAdorable 6 months ago
@CenkIsAdorable
I do not believe God physically exists. I also do not believe he directly impacts anyone. I do not believe in prayer. I do not believe there is any way to "contact God."
I believe in natural beauty and natural laws. I believe in empiricism, and I believe that there are no direct answers to any questions.
Gr33nkiwi 6 months ago
@Gr33nkiwi Everything is quantifiable, at least theoretically.
CenkIsAdorable 6 months ago
What a cheap trick. Is Russian logic better than French logic? We are not morons, Rev. Slick. The idea about logic to be an extension (a function) of language considers the Language as a human phenomenon not a particular ethnic language. Dah!?
DrNikol2007 8 months ago
The whole structure of Rev Slicks’ logical proves for existence of god is as valid of Baron Munchausen’s story where he dragged himself out of the water through puling his own hair up. Slick accepts a priori existence of transcendental logic and posteriori that logic is given by god. So his proof is a based on false premise (logic can be created only by a transcendent being) and false reason (we observe existence of transcendent logic only) hence, false conclusion (god exists).
DrNikol2007 8 months ago
Despite of the fact that logic cannot be property of the universe, Slick offers another falsification and trick - he states: if logic is a property of the universe we have to use logic to test the logic – absurd, he finishes. If this is logical then we cannot test theories of physics through test built on principals of the physics…
cosmopolite66 8 months ago
This is a cheap clerical trick. After big noise about him being logical and distracting the audience with the stupid story about coins, Slick offers false argument: premise: there are 2 options god exists or does not; reason: because logics exist; conclusion: god exists (big rubbish). No one introduced or can prove a premise like “If logics exist, god exists too.”
Same like the famous improvable premise: if objective morals exist, god exists too.
cosmopolite66 8 months ago
The good "reverend" did not understood what a dichotomy is, when the video was taped. If his definition is true, then somehow his god is subject to the same logical rules as we humans are.
StopSpamming1 8 months ago
@StopSpamming1 amen! I mean, I agree lol, didn't mean to come across as one of thhoooooossseee people:P
Centurious3769 7 months ago
Is obviously an individual chain of thoughts. Individual.
AirallialeFay 9 months ago
No. Logic has no common laws. Logic depends on the laws forming a seemingly reasonable sequence on your head, logic I'd
AirallialeFay 9 months ago
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amanda81473 10 months ago
@amanda81473 see what????? FALSE evolution ????
rcspeedboat 8 months ago
Matt uses great analogies and is 100% spot on.
DiatonicSoul 10 months ago
"Use logic but do not think, who cares in what you think, the truth exists..." Is the Logic unrelated to thinking?! Or if the truth exists without thinking that it is exists, it can be an absolute logic?! Moreover, thinking is not a chemical process in the brain?
dianabxh 11 months ago
to lie us again by promising us the eternal life if we follow him. So as we are gifted with a logic ability we cannot listen to any one who says I am the God or I am the evil, I love you with an absolute condition, listen to me and do what I say...obey me and do not ask but listen to...So we cannot believe to those who are responsible for our suffering at all, and we cannot call a pure love a conditional love.
dianabxh 11 months ago
For Mat again:
As the God created us as His image, and He is independent, why His images could be dependent? That means we are not completely the God image. Or, since the God predict the future, why He was not able to predict the devil that He created as an angel? So Eva and Adam are completely innocents. If the devil is causing so bad things to people, and we must hate it, why we have to love God who was the first that decided for us to suffer and die, and so gave the possibility to devil
dianabxh 11 months ago
For Mat: As we know, the God didn't allowed us to have a logic or the conception of the reality, because he ordered Eva and Adam to not "eat the apple', and for this He punished them and all the human beings to suffer and die. Do you think was it a valid logic of God?! If the God created us with a logic ability, why He was so angry when Eva and Adam used their logic, that God loved them so how they would be punished by taking away the most precious gift that was given to them, the eternal life.
dianabxh 11 months ago
@dianabxh there were 2 trees - the 'tree of life' which God put man in front of, and the other the tree of knowledge of good and evil which He warned would cause them to die. There was no apple there. Logically you should get the story right 1st. One caused fellowship with God the other independence and rebellion from God.
God wasn't angry He was concerned for man because now He had an evil nature in him that would cause him to die. God slayed the lambs for them a sybol of Christs redemption.
xrisb 10 months ago
@xrisb @xrisb It seems that Evil existed before since God wanted to test the man if he would touch the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Moreover, it was Good who "plant the trees", and since it was ONLY GOD in the beginning and nothing else, why the "tree" had the knowledge of evil, because God is only good? It was God also evil?!
God created us as his His image, so you are right when you say "He was concerned..." and since God cannot see Himself dying because He is immortal,
dianabxh 10 months ago
@dianabxh - yes of course evil existed before man - after all it was the tree of the knowledge of good and of evil!! Here's the theme that runs through the bible - God creates - Satan corrupts - God recovers, restores and replaces with Christ (who is the reality of the tree of life). When Christ came the tree of life came for man to partake of again until then the law kept us like a child conducter. What we eat is what we become - we are full of death because we eat from the wrong tree even now
xrisb 10 months ago
@xrisb How the evil existed before the man? In the bible it says that the first angel that God created to help him to create everything became evil from the jealousy of the love of the God for the man, and to destroy that LOVE he advice the man to eat from the forbidden "tree". That is, the good and evil were two things that God just knew. But WHO was characterized from those two opposite qualities? Why God wanted to test the man? He was not sure what kind of creatures he composed?
dianabxh 10 months ago
@dianabxh - The "tree of life" is the tree God wanted man to eat from because it was God's nature. The "tree of knowledge of good and of evil" was the tree God warned man that if he ate of it he would die. These trees are depicting two different natures. Satan was fallen way before he knew of man otherwise he would not of fallen into God's trap. Before hand Satan was elusive not able to be delt with but once he had entered into man he was now contained to be delt with on th cross. Gen 3:15
xrisb 10 months ago
@xrisb What do you mean with"... God's trap"? For what reason God needed a trap for the Satan or men? Do you mean God was suspicious about his knowledges or his control over His creatures? (What kind of power He posses!) Or do you mean Satan was another existed powerful source, but so lazy to create things by himself so he wanted to corrupt the God's creatures? However, let's say that we were born sinners because the man listened to Satan and not to God, so that we all must suffer and die.
dianabxh 10 months ago
@dianabxh - no I mean God has an eternal purpose that has everything to do with man - God wants man to cooperate with Him eg He wanted man to have domonion... Satan fell and was cast out of the heaven. He corrupted a 3rd of the angels and had already corrupted the preadamic race which God judged with the deep - thus they became the demons (disembodied souls). Satan then corupted man and got his nature into man before God did - but now was contained in the flesh to be judged on the Christs cross.
xrisb 10 months ago
@xrisb We also have been born sinners because we were produced by brothers and sisters, and this was the fault of the God, who created just only one couple. Maybe you'll say that we couldn't be aware of this sin if we wouldn't eat from the "tree of knowledge", but how to explain this scientifically? Do you think the man and his first children didn't have ADN? How God didn't think that human beings, even though the man wouldn't fallen in the Satan's trap, could be retarded?
dianabxh 10 months ago
@xrisb If it is true that God knows everything before they happen, it is not our fault or the Evil fault, because we or he were programmed to behave in the way that our creator wanted. It is not our fault if the good and evil exist among us. Also it was not the fault of Juda who gave up the Jesus Christ, because that was decided from God to happen in that way. Moreover, in the moment of the crucifixion Jesus said: " Father forgive them because they do not know what they are doing".
dianabxh 10 months ago
@xrisb ..., He would see dying His image, and I think this is a great entertainment for Him.
dianabxh 10 months ago
You got banned. so...... attack Christianity ?
"as with EVERY Christian apologist."
strawman defence.
"The MOST POWERFUL argument....."
unsubstantiated opinion .
Take your next breath. Watch the sun rise.
That is what you should be "amazed" with.
n8tron25 11 months ago
Don't debate with Matt on his website, he'll ban you when he can't come up with a good answer to his question.....
alueshen 11 months ago
@alueshen "Don't debate with Matt on his website, he'll ban you when he can't come up with a good answer to his question....."
Which is guaranteed from the minute you get a chance to respond - as with every Christian apologist.
The most powerful argument against any idea, is always the amount of dishonesty and unfair advantage required to promote or defend it.
.....This is so obvious in Christianity, I'm amazed that even believers don't see it!!
Tobytrim 11 months ago
IMO the Christian guy is thinking about logic in the wrong way. At one time in the ancient past there where no humans. Logic did not exist then because there where no human minds that could grasp and understand logic. At that time logic was still true but it did not exist, since it had not jet been created by the human mind.
FrozenPetrolPie 1 year ago
@FrozenPetrolPie This is pointed out to him in EVERY debate. The debate always starts to break down until he just starts to whine.
johngeetar 11 months ago
@johngeetar Oh yeah? That figures. Oh and another thing. Lets say that his argument for the existents of God works, just for the sake of argument. That still tells us nothing of value about the God in question, certainly not enough to form any particular religion like Christianity. TAG was not intended to defend Islam for example but it could easily do that.
FrozenPetrolPie 11 months ago
@FrozenPetrolPie This is why apologists love debates. The debate topic was "Does God Exist." Matt was free to define God in any way he chose (or not at all) and still walk away feeling victorious after not even coming close to proving his actual beliefs. In all fairness Kagin did a god awful job (no pun intended) in this debate. One had to wonder if he even listened to anything Slick said. The best part is the red haired kid who ripped him a new one in the audience questions portion.
johngeetar 11 months ago
Why does Matt define "GOD" as he did? I notice the very same attributes of his "Christian" GOD, match discription of the Jewish "GOD" or countless other imaginary "GOD's of the ancients. He knows what can not logically be known. Regards
1Skeptik1 1 year ago
Exelent video. God exist, and it's impossible and unlogical to disprove it.
elagentenumerouno 1 year ago
@felisleo101 This conversation is not based on proof of the events, but the events, if you want to argue about that, than I am not intellectually capable at this point to do that, I apologize. If you read the accounts, you will see that these people were always attacking the Israelites. And the nevada comparison is negate, because God does not and never will punish the innocent. Please PM me if you wish to reply.
goodbyevmtv 1 year ago
@atheistryan *which outnumbered them, would have wiped them out. God never desired to wipeout those nations, just like hopefully all people don't take joy in lethally restraining people who intrude in their homes. My uncle actually killed a man who broke into his house. Does that mean that he is bipolar because the next day he gave a homeless man some food? No, it just means that at one time the undesirable action had to be taken. Yes, Jesus said we should love our enemies, We should, and
goodbyevmtv 1 year ago
@goodbyevmtv
You are comparing a case of self-defense with the mass-genocide (down to the little children) of entire nations. An actual comparison would be if your uncle then found out about the man who broke into his house, then went and systematically killed every single solitary member of that man's extended family, even though they did him no wrong. If your uncle had done that, then we could have a fair comparison.
felisleo101 1 year ago
@atheistryan do you believe in capital punishment? Do you believe that people do things that warrant death? God Does, and thats what happened. Also, God did not tell them to rape anyone. They took then virgin women in and took care of them. The culture the women were leaving in was rampant with prostitution, rape, and sexual immorality. God is a god of justice and wrath and sometimes, men need to be destroyed in order to protect the whole human race. The Israelites were the race god was ra
goodbyevmtv 1 year ago
@goodbyevmtv
And these assertions about the rival tribes are based on what evidence, exactly? And prostitution exists in Nevada. Does that mean it would be moral for you to lead in army and murder every single man, woman and child in Nevada, save for those few virgin girls you want to "take care of" as you put it? Honestly, your rather pathetic defense of this is like trying to pass off the Rwandan Genocide as a moral act.
felisleo101 1 year ago
Can you explain to me why the god of "love" ordered the complete wholesale slaughter of everyone living in the land of Canaan in the Torah and in Joshua, but then in Matthew 5:44 Jesus teaches "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"???
Explain to me why he isn't bi-polar? Doesn't matter anyway. It's no more real than "The Epic of Gilgamesh"
SeverinAresWinters 1 year ago
@SeverinAresWinters Or the god of "love" telling moses to kill all men and women and stealing the women who are virgins and raping them?
atheistryan 1 year ago
@SeverinAresWinters Well the command to kill the canannites was a great command. A lot of the ones GOd told us to kill in Old testament were half demon. I see no issue here. If you see a problem then you are admitting to a moral absolute that genocide is bad no exceptions.
2.) This is not contradictory because the genocide was necessary for the coming of christ so the blood line of the messiah would not be corrupt. Jesus said he din't come to bring piece but rather a sword.
Onetruthrgv 1 year ago
@SeverinAresWinters 3.) Now notice how in hebrews it says that when the new covenant comes in place the old is obsolete and will disappear. So really now that jesus is alive and has made the new covenant the old one is now gone.
So in conclusion you can say all you want that god is evil but honestly you as an atheist cannot account for morals yourself so I would challenge you to show me where did that objective moral you are admitting to come from?
Onetruthrgv 1 year ago
zkueker88..In my opinion, god is an abstract concept. I say that there is no god. I base this on the total absence of empirical objective evidence. Now you will say that there is a god. You base this on a single antiquated book and on nothing more than subjective experiences that have all been interpreted through this same book. You will say that god exists whether I believe it or not and that he doesn’t need anyone’s belief to exist. I say prove it. Sadly, you cannot.
End of discussion.
SeverinAresWinters 1 year ago
Forget about God There are two things that will keep you in good stead without all that rubish, and thats always crap in works time and learn to read upside down. Cheers people
TheGodParticle 1 year ago
Slick breaks the sound barrier on mistakes per minute. Let's try one - "If there are only two possibilies to explain somthing and one is incapable of explaining it then the other is true by default". There is a pink rabbit running in circles at the center of the earth causing it to spin - my God tells me so and you cannot explain it so I win. Science does not YET completely understand reasoning and consciousness. We will - like everything else we do not need a God to explain it.
imferguson 1 year ago
it was an interesting debate. i guess the hard part was on the mr slick's shoulders, trying to prove something. the end of the debate was a little messy, with everybody speaking randomly. mr edwin lost his profesional attitude close to the end, when he became impatient, indiferent, and interrupting others.
CumSeNumesteMelodia 1 year ago
first of all, youtube is not a place for big discussions like this (not even instant messenger is a good comm medium). second, i hope that everyone who commented and will comment, will watch all 15 parts (first part has almost 40k views, part 15 has 6k in the moment of writing this)
CumSeNumesteMelodia 1 year ago
I do believe God exists.
But it's a shame to see the atheist in this debate is the one who makes more sense. :)
2SLipo 1 year ago
@2SLipo There's a reason.
filorps 1 year ago
Seriously? Because logic exists, and you can't find another explanation for it.... God Exists!
Talk about classic God of the gaps!
filorps 1 year ago
@filorps I guess you have not read the TAG argument. There are only two possibilities, God or no God, because they are an antonymic pair. I mean i can say there is another possibility like flying unicorns created the universe, but not all possibilities make probabilities, and the argument is that we can claim victory on account of the Atheists irrationality to account for LA's.
meeene4 1 year ago
Belief is not logic. God requires belief. You understand this shit?
neoscape2012 1 year ago
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redtygrr 1 year ago
Why does not Matt Slick ever debate the Universalists (those who believe in the ultimate reconciliation of ALL)? He won't even allow them to post anything on his site, he has banned them. Curious.
redtygrr 1 year ago
Matt Slick fails ...
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
@MaitreyaRocket How does Matt fail? Would you like to try and thrash the TAG argument?
meeene4 1 year ago
@meeene4
"would you like to try and thrash the TAG argument?
no need, someone has comprehensively achieved it.
google:
not so slick tag argument
and click on the god lessons dot com link.
gavsmith1980 1 year ago
@gavsmith1980 How do you know that he has debunked it?
meeene4 1 year ago
@meeene4
Because he has discovered and pointed out for all to see, the fallacious logic which the tag argument is based on.
gavsmith1980 1 year ago
@gavsmith1980 On the contrary, sir, Matt already responded to the article and i read both of them, i am still not impressed.
meeene4 1 year ago
i cannot believe a man this literate honestly thinks there is an invisible superman and that a poorly written jumble of fables is the absolute perfect word of said invisible superman.
lockwoodisafaggot 1 year ago
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Four reasons why I think there is no god; A) Total absence from the natural world. No sign of a god, before, during or after, natural disastres B) The absolute absence of favoritism towards believers. Even churches need lightning-rods to protect them from god. C) The absence of any reaction, when crimes are committed in his name. C) The suffering of the innocent. One could accept that the guilty must suffer, but children ???
lizazoon 1 year ago
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Four common sense reasons why there is no god; A) Total absence from the natural world. No sign of a god, before, during or after, natural disastres B) The absolute absence of favoritism towards believers. Even churches need lightning-rods to protect them from god. C) The absence of any reaction, when crimes are committed in his name. C) The suffering of the innocent. One could accept that the guilty must suffer, but children ???
lizazoon 1 year ago
Where the hell is the thumbs down button i want to give Rev. Matt slick one for his talking a lot of bullshit as far as i'm concern!
visualart139 1 year ago
This is laughable. Its just more christian apologetic rhetoric.
sumosword 1 year ago
Slick is someone who is good with words. Even though he is wrong he keeps his cool and dodges questions to make it seem like he does have the answer. Because of his stupidity and ignorance (and faulty logic) Dr. Kagan gets mad.
Which makes it seem like Slick won.
xenomann442 1 year ago
1. you cannot account for logical absolutes
2. christianity can
therefore 3. god exists.
FALLACY! haha, thanks for the logic lesson prof/rev.
p.s. logical absolutes are unique and necessary. they not only apply to themselves, but they are also true by definition (a is a, not a is not a) and they apply in any universe, and even to your god. can god be god and not god?
rysw19 1 year ago
wow i didn't realize i disputed the only argument he was going to make
rysw19 1 year ago
Thanks for putting this up. I almost got through the entire thing, but eventually had to stop. It was pretty painful listening to Slick argue the same thing over and over again as his only piece of evidence. It really just seems like the philosophy equivalent of the bacterial flagellum.
Also, judging by the majority of questions asked by the audience, most of the few intellectual arguments were probably lost on them.
ThePariahGame 1 year ago
@1:35, did this asshole Slick with the black belt in what ever pull his underwear out of hie ass? lmao,,, no respect for god.
c1cter 1 year ago
Slick, what a stupid example you gave,,, lmao right now, who arranged the coins? I did you moron,,, aaaaaaaaaahahhhahahahhha
c1cter 1 year ago
The vatican is responsible for many cases of pedofilia and sexual abuse...True but so are some cops , politicians , ect .The society of the past were shuting down their eyes on things , thats the way it was back then ...They just didn't know what to do about it .Dont worry there's still alot of good people to .But The society today talk mostly about bad things . They realy have to change their ways .But dont wory alout of good beings are among you. Alot of turning around whill take affect.
p4tst3r 1 year ago
the atheist have to answer to anything .. no we dont know , none of us knows; we dont yet know , we dont have a clue , i cant answer that question , the atheist should just say we have chosen the evil one and done with that debate thing. but God is loving and he dont want anyone to be lost
kieranjoseph 1 year ago
@kieranjoseph Just because the atheist doesnt agree with the theist makes them chose evil? how many atheists kill because they have different views on god? Religion and god has caused plenty of war in this world, atheists find this rediculous... we are evil? what war has a disbeliefe started?
dsmrider 1 year ago
This sounds maybe stupid but just think about it for a minute
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If god exist WHY whill he not show himself just why the hell not?
TheDarkSide010 1 year ago
@TheDarkSide010
if i should pay u some kind of good payment... why should i give it to you? wouldnt i think "this guy needs to proove me that he is worthy". Now think about it... Humans were with God at the beginning. We were cast out of paradise because we were not worthy of being there since we did not listen to the words of God. How do we get in there again? - Acting by the words of God. There is my answer to your question... maybe somebody else got another answer :) God bless you.
xxAtrinxx 1 year ago
@xxAtrinxx May I ask you a question? if god created us and we did not listen to his words or did not comply to what he said why is it our fault for he has programmed our minds right? I know he gave us free will to think on our own, but since he created that as well doesnt that just come back to god the author being a poor author? Eve ate the fruit because of the snake but whatever programming god gave eve caused her to eat the fruit is it eves fault?
dsmrider 1 year ago
@dsmrider
i get your point :) but as you said your self.. he gave us free will. Maybe God just wants us to listen to him by our own free will, instead of making forcing us to. Same as if u have children... would you force ur child to be nice or would u rather see ur child being nice by its own free will?
xxAtrinxx 1 year ago
@dsmrider there is no free will, it is a man-made hoax. It is said NOWHERE in the bible that free will exists, however it is written in many scriptures that God is totally sovereign and in charge of man. We do have the ability to make choices that are caused by outside influence. There is a huge difference. Free will definition: Freedom of self determination and action independent of external causes. God himself says that he created evil. See Isaiah 45:7
redtygrr 1 year ago
@redtygrr so what is it? god is in charge of man and we do bad things? or god made evil thus we do bad things? either way i dont see any reason to praise such a god.... Please explain why such a " god " would be praised.. these are easy questions compared to the many i could be asking you.. give them a try if you will.
dsmrider 1 year ago
@dsmrider I have more questions than answers myself, when it comes to God, the bible,etc. I am refuting what the guy on this video (Slick) claims on his website, that man has freewill. Scriptures state otherwise. I have had my share of doubts about a loving God, however there are some good sites that you can visit to answer your questions: Google either Bible Truths (by LRay Smith) or Hope Beyond hell (by Gerry Beucheman). They are very informative.
redtygrr 1 year ago
@redtygrr the questions that kept me from GOd and bible which church never answered were fouind by me. is crazy , but the killing in old tst. was for Genesis 6. the fallen angels with satan came down to be worshipped( babylon many gods, zeus, etc.were fallen angels. ) they "got with" human women and made hybrids to corrupt bloodline of adam so there could be no messiah of pure dna. noah and friends had pure dna. crazy but true. God is Love.
zackrowe1 1 year ago
@TheDarkSide010 it is a " test " ... There are plenty of empty answers to that question probably the answer you will hear most would be faith.. you dont need to see something if you truly believe in it... somehow that works together dont ask me..
dsmrider 1 year ago
God does exist and he is sourrounded by pure beings. You have much to learn. Its not your only life. We are all following the path of light, some whill take them many lives to reach that goal. Aniways 2 hints : Help your fellow and follow the path of goodness. Its realy not complicated. The rest will be revealed to you during your journey ! Alot of things cant be revealed to you right now , it would only confuse to many . P3AC3
p4tst3r 1 year ago
@p4tst3r I have heard time and time again that god is everywhere and god is pure good.. but how would that explain evil in the world? May I ask you a question.. why where you find god the most you also find chaos the most.. the least god the less chaos.. It's demographically proven you can not dodge that.
dsmrider 1 year ago
@dsmrider This world is realy not the best of worlds but it doesn't mean that you have to get influence by it . They are still bad spirits (dont want to go to the light by hatred or just lost souls ) or beings that want tHE Mankind to fell. (FALLEN ANGELS ). Least god = less chaos !! Euh ? you realy lost me there. In Canada there's no chaos and plenty of religion , in VATICAN PLENTY OF RELIGION AND NO CHAOS. Liberty, kindness, and being a pacific society helps.
p4tst3r 1 year ago
@p4tst3r Christians want the world to come to an end, " judgement day " I live in canada religion here is very moderate, thus we do not have too many problems.. The vatican is responsible for many cases of pedofilia and sexual abuse... Remember this, the people responsible for founding north america left Europe to pursue a more moderate religious society and to create a secular system and it works... they kept religion to a minimum and its better.. unfortunately US fell back under christian rule
dsmrider 1 year ago
If he exists, he is more elusive as Bigfoot.
lizazoon 1 year ago
Independent of the universe? Transcends space and time?
Slick's own definition of 'God' is illogical.
Hufflewaffle 1 year ago
Did he just say that cold could be measured?
Destroyticus 1 year ago
God exist and he has a name Morgan Freeman
sirexium 1 year ago
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all the tests done back in 1950s...were they took rocks and mud with acids..and subjected them to heat and light and water..and tried to get living cells..
they failed horribly..
but the the evolutionist and atheist..still claim they made life..what BULLSHIT..FUCKIN LIES...
life from non living materials...
5tonyvvvv 1 year ago
What he said at 3:27 is what I've been trying to get the answer to for a long time.
Can anyone clear that up for me???
1982witchcraft 1 year ago
GOD IS REAL!!!
pinkhousemob 1 year ago
@pinkhousemob no, no he is not.
crazyCA12 1 year ago
@pinkhousemob yes, we know we know... Now, why don't you go take a rest, and drink a glass of water?
zoina21 1 year ago
All you must do is look and observe your favorite pets and you will see that there must be a God. When I look at my cat and how he acts, I know that there is a God that created him for me. I have many times felt the presence of God and I know that God does exist. In order to have faith, you must allow God to come into your life.
patsaxon 1 year ago
First assessment this idiot makes:
"If there are only two explanations we know of and one is wrong then the other by default is write."
Right, so in that case I suppose that people wheren't infected with germs back before we had modern medicine. Instead they where afflicted with evil spirits or improper humours right?
IF there are only two explanations possible he might have a point... considering we DON'T know everything does not mean there are only two.
DarkBunnyLord 1 year ago
If there was no intelligent life in the universe then it would still continue to exist in spite of the fact that there is no one to witness it.
The laws of logic in that case would be simply the laws of physics and chemistry.
In other words logic does not need intelligence to exist or intelligence to be created.
bustermk2 1 year ago
can someone please explain exactly plain and simple what slick is trying to say about logic because i don't get it at all.
m1grand70 1 year ago
Just when you think apologists can't possibly come any more dishonest and intellectually bankrupt than Willian Lane Craig, you come across Matt Slick and all your illusions are shattered.
singring76 1 year ago
@mobo321 @mobo321
Name one thing in the real world that cannot be confirmed with evidence?
Love is simply a electrochemical reaction in the brain that causes us to form strong social bonds. These bonds is beneficial to the species in so far as it helps us to reproduce more effectively. For that reason love is an evolutionary advantage.
Faith is not required to explain anything we experience.
bustermk2 1 year ago
@mobo321
To believe in anything without evidence is illogical.
bustermk2 1 year ago
@bustermk2 To believe in anything without evidence is illogical.
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Profess and believe ONLY if you have proof and evidence!
Belief in anything without proof and evidence is FUTILE, let alone God!
Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate? ...
1tabligh 1 year ago
Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
1tabligh 1 year ago
Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws o