There is a fundamental difference between memory and comprehension, that is knowledge and the application of it. Movements like this lead to dangerous thinking and social regression. I understanding that there is choice to not conventionally educate someone through school, but to not substitute it is to take away knowledge and that is unfair for her.
@Mixarenan I can't imagine being without that intuitive understanding. I can't imagine that. I can't imagine being you. I pride myself on being able to get into just about any head space... but I can't imagine alive in the world devoid of the answer to your question.
@ion010101 I can't imagine people think that intuitive will always lead to correct knowledge, 'cause that's just batshit lunacy. oh, wait, I can. nvm.
@Mixarenan I understand how people learn based on what I intuited plus experience, observation, evidence, the testimony of others. Learning is what your brain does. It doesn't do anything else. How did you learn to walk or talk? Because learning is what your nervous system does. This means you're learning even when you don't know you're learning. If you're forced to learn multiplication, you will learn - and you learn that you need to be forced in order to learn. That's why you think that, now.
She seems intelligent and very motivated, but not all kids are like that. I think unschooling is great for certain types of kids and certain families.
@Ridd333 yes, I am familiar with that phrase. I also know the phrase "freedom of speech" and the phrase "online etiquette" and here's another one "get a grip".
how do they learn to read? And what about math? How bout U.S. or world history? If the parents don't know or aren't teaching the kids, then what if a kids wants to learn about the physics of machinery. The parents aren't teaching their children the full fundamentals of how to be an average member of society. I'm happy with my public school education. By 2nd grade, I had an 11th grade reading level and a 7th grade math level. What about your kids who are unschooled?
@BriannaKaye09 Not all people have an 11th grade reading level in 2nd grad. If the kids want to learn physics, then they tell there parents fined a way to teach it to them in a way they want to learn it, (it is just an option) levels do not tell everything. I'm in 8th grad and I have a reading level of a 5th 6th grader and a math level of a 4th 5th grader. we all learn in different ways, we should do what works for us. (I'm not unschooled myself)
@BriannaKaye09 Oh my God, get off you self-congratulatory high-horse. It seems that the only reason you even posted was to brag about how freakishly cool you are. Though you may be all you say you are, your reading and math levels have NOTHING to do with public school, it comes from your own natural cognitive skills.
To answer your first questions (IF they weren't actually rhetorical) math, science, and history books do not ONLY exist at schools. IT'S CALLED AN BOOKSTORE.
Children are not all age equal in their capacities or desires to learn, yet school expects them to be. It's only logic that you should learn what you want to learn and learn what will be useful in your own individual life. I wish I were home-schooled, because I struggled all the way through school with ADHD and an IQ of 127. I remember thinking that teachers weren't always so bright and I knew more than they seemed to. My son was reprimanded for correcting teachers with false information. HA!
A lot of these homse-schooled kids seem...strange. I mean, not all in a bad way, but seem just seem smug. Not all of them, but many just seem smug. And after being in college, many of them still feel smug. Not all, but many just act like they are some superior subset of humanity.
@thesnare100 That would be because I am so severely dyslexic that I use voice recognition software. Finding coping strategies to deal with my disability often makes it so that ignorant people question its legitimacy.
If you have any polite questions, I would be more than happy to answer them (possibly in a video!). :)
@BalkanHope No, soon education will be obselete as we know it. Instead of spending years in school, they'll be able to input the information directly into your brain, like installing a program on a hard drive, like in the Matrix. At that point, we will no longer get jobs by what we know, education will be "irrelevant" experience and performance is all that will matter...............:)
The fact that they change their view in mid-conversation: "Oh, that sucks" to "Well, that's kind of cool actually" - it shows how they've been made afraid to think for themselves. Just to have their OWN opinion of your life as an unschooler takes them a while.
Kids need discipline, when they don't get it and learn to go by certain rules (even if the system is fucked up as it is) they will not be able to have jobs, or even their own family. You don't want your kids to be in school? Fine! Then homeschool them! Teach them how to read and write properly, how to do sums, divisions and multiplications properly; where their country is, and how to read maps. Stuff that will help them in their daily life! Not just... nothing, for goodness' sake! XD
@angelhatesyou75217. What i do for living is what drew me to this video/subject in the first place. i decide what employment candidate gets reviewed, called, hired/fired etc. I track the performance of individuals under my supervision with profit as the sole indicator of progress. Now if tomorrow i glance at a resume from an unschooled student, i would toss it without thinking twice, not even worth a conversation. You may think that's stupid, but without a MBA its rare to get a call back.
@angelhatesyou75217. I agree, I believe a statisical analysis that outlined the financial success rate for individuals schooled and unschooled would be fascinating. Is there any documentation that shows how unschooled students as a whole are as, less or more likely to obtain a higher education, retain employment and excel in their chosen field compared to schooled students? If there is please direct me to that site. Thanks for telling about your four friends, best luck to all of them.
So let me get this straight??? Some parents actually think they are doing their children a favor by keeping them illiterate and under their peers. I feel sorry for these children as the embark on the real world, because the real world suffers no fools.....oh wait, I get it now, they will always be dependent on their parents because their parents have made them that way. How truly selfish these parents are, what a cop out. Doing what is right for your children is not always easy, but its right.
@Dirus42 I was unschooled, I have a Communications Degree and I'm an EMT. I have my own home, my own car and pay my own bills. Evidently I'm literate, and I'm completely independent. So please enlighten me on how my parents were selfish? And if you don't mind, what personal experience your basing this off of instead of just being another moron surfing the web talking about something they don't know shit about.
REGARDLESS OF WHAT FANTASY THAT YOUR PARENTS HAVE CONSTRUCTED FOR YOU AS A CHILD/TEEN. WHEN YOU BECOME AN ADULT YOU WILL CRUSH INTO THE WORLD WHERE MONEY MATTERS. TELL YOU WHAT AS A HOMESCHOOL PROJECT DO A STATISICAL ANALYSIS OF THE FINANCAL SUCCESS OF PERSONS UNSCHOOLED VS SCHOOLED. NO FUZZY STORIES JUST NUMBERS THAT HELP YOU BETTER UNDERSTAND THE FUTURE THAT AWAITS YOU.
@14u2b3 When attempting to argue education methods, you may want to turn off your caps lock, it makes you look more retarded than your argument already did.
@14u2b3 This would actually be a really interesting thing to do. Of my 2 best friends that went to regular school, both are Pizza Delivery drivers (well actually one was fired last week).... and of my 2 best friends that were unschooled, one is a Pizza Delivery driver but he's also a yoga instructor and in Security Officer training, the other is attending college for his Masters and has a teaching position ready for him when he's finished. What do you do for a living?
@14u2b3 First, do a statistical analysis of the number of all-caps arguments that are taken seriously versus properly capitalized and punctuated arguments.
Schools were not made to disillusion students but it was the people behind the system that made a lot of errors. I have seen countless individuals making a lot of money without even a high school diploma. Being in school is not a guarantee for success later on or not being in school a failure. Her relationship with her family is one clue that she will have success in whatever she decides to focus on. As she speaks one can clearly see a quiet strength beyond her age.No thanks to school system.
This is basically a free person ... someone who hasn't been crushed into a mold by the system (yet). But unfortunately, the system gets worse and worse and more oppressive the older you get. Once you hit a certain age, it will require a piece of paper saying you graduated highschool and strongly enforce a false mandate in many cases of needing a piece of paper from some college. Money or freedom.
@spamllpitdept Exactly. Isn't it beautiful to watch? A free person with a smile on her face. I kept wondering when the smile would fade, but it didn't. I've noticed that about children who do Free Schooling and other types of schooling. They are so relaxed and smile more.
What are you going to do in terms of making money in the future? There are people graduating from college who cant find jobs right now. You are going to live the rest of your life in poverty unless your parents are rich....
@CeeCee1021, Holly and I are around the same age. I've gone to traditional school my whole life. Holly managed to do something I wanted to do, but couldn't: work in childcare. Whenever I applied to summer camp or baby-sitting jobs, I'd get turned down because I had absolutely no experience. I only knew how to write essays. Holly works as an au pair in London. I had to rely on my college campus to give me my first ever job through work study. With no resume, not even McDonalds wanted me.
@CertainAsTheSun I hope you get into child care. See, Holly had no choice. She's happy it seems for now. What blows me away is why would a parent elect to not have their child taught at all? I was home schooled for a year, my parents managed to plow out the half mile driveway and take us to the library every two weeks. We had classes. I learned voraciously. But we had to TV and no electricity and I think that's why it was so successful. They were good models too, a M.A. and a Ph.D. between them.
@CeeCee1021 I think it's important to remember that lots of very successful homeschoolers do have TV and electricity, and they learn plenty. Also, though Holly's parents elected to not have her "taught," that doesn't mean they elected to not have her learn. Learning is the final goal. Often it's achieved without any structured teaching.
this chick is so dumb she just rambled i heard nothing supportive out of this and i would never let my kids do that. she prob couldn't even read this comment. u wonder y Americans get a bad rep
@SillyOtaku I'm thinking that was a troll. Speaking of having a laugh at the expense of others... have you noticed that every time the local news interviews a local school child/teenager, they always say what they think they're supposed to say (just as you learn to do in school; especially when you don't know the answer, or don't think you know, and have to fake it) and speak in that dull monotone? Man, talk about delayed!
So if everyone quit school and becomes unschooled, who will the the future doctors, engineers and many more professions which the current world can't live without. All the Technology, the camera thats being used to record her, cars, houses etc, you gotta learn how to do things. You can learn how to repair cars but the world need innovators, you gotta have education to be an innovator. I'm not against unschooling becoz I hate school, I just wonder what the future holds if everyone is unschooled.
@ebradahusla You don't need to spend your natural childhood being told what to think and when to think it in order for their to be people who want to apprentice or go to a vocational school or grad school or w/e to do those things. The world we have now created a glut of technicians. You might hear anthropologists call our society a technocracy, rule by technocrats... or what I sometimes call, educated idiots. We don't need them in order to have a civilization. Or America could not have started.
I have no problem with unschooling until college as long as the child learns how to read and do basic math. Just because... well you need to learn how to read, period. And because if they have a career goal,I don't want them to struggle in math classes necessary to get the degree.
At some point you have to earn a living.If you cannot read you re limited in everything you do. I have met unschooled kids and they were wild, badly behaved, rude, upleasant kids.
what do unschooled kids do for jobs? I mean apart from either side of the argument.. do these kids grow up to be working adults so they can support themselves?
unschooling might be , emphasize Might Be, possible for high IQ individuals, but for the average American unschooling is a huge mistake. We're such ignorant science denying superstition ridden yahoos as is! Reform the education system YES! Unschool, NEVER!
Never been to school. Doesn't want to go to college. People ask her if she didn't go to school then what did she do all day. She doesn't understand the question. Indication of lack of critical thinking skills. She doesn't know how to read. Major sources of information will be lost to her the longer she is alive. Sources such as any medium of information containing words.
@Ujikaweapon1 She only said that when she was SIX she didn't know how to read. Also, she seems articulate, bright, sensible, aware. The reason she phrased it: "I don't understand the question" only implies that she and the asker are coming from TOTALLY different worlds. The problem with answering was that unschooling is a way of life, not a routine, daily activity easily summed up. "All day", she spends her time living, pursuing her interests, interacting with the world in an organic way.
I really hate this who needs a diploma to make it in life and make money attitude, I work as a ship mechanic and I would not be able to do a good job without my marine academy education, however my life is made difficult in a ships engine room by motormen (who do not have academic education) because they are not properly educated. Education is worthless unless you use it in proper context, your life as a fast food waitress will not require an education, jobs with responsibilities do.
I went to public school until the 9th grade. I never really interacted with the other children in school and when I was out of school I was never around anyone my age. When my parents split my mom started homeschooling me, but that didn't work either. So I've just been sitting doing nothing feeling guilty about not doing school. I just recently found out about Unschooling, and its given me a new outlook on my life. I don't feel so guilty and I am ready to get out there and continue to learn.
i feel the lack of social interaction with her peers is the most damaging part. not learning book stuff is not nearly as bad as not learning to have friends
@LOLiMovie Im so sick of hearing this argument. School is NOT the only way to interact with your peers. and its not the best way either. Its one way. That is all.
@Aprilshowersss My friend like to use the point that school FORCES you to constantly be in contact with your peers, whether its a good situation or a bad one. She thinks that this forces children to learn how to interact socially in many situations. She told me about her friends who were home schooled that were always with other children, but they grow up socially awkward. I wonder if maybe that's just how they would be ANYWAY. Lots of school kids are awkward, too.
@PeaceUdo Well I can certainly speak from experience that public school is not the golden ticket to social grace. I am horribly awkward and very very introverted and I went to public school. In the 10 years since I have been free from what I affectionately refer to as "day prison" I have begun to learn, REALLY learn, and improve my social skills, although I am naturally introverted so I'll never be a social butterfly, but I'm much better off being free to do things at my own pace.
@Aprilshowersss I think public school is what made me to not be socially awkward. I was forced to be in those situations and I did not like my outcomes. Because of that, I taught myself skills necessary to do so well that now I love public speaking.
My little brother on the other hand is not the same. He's socially awkward and cannot change the way I could. However, I think public school may have showed him that it is ok because his peers seem to be enchanted by his quietness.'
@LOLiMovie Why do you assume she has no friends? Just because she's not stuffed into a classroom with other bored children several hours a day, doesn't mean she doesn't spend time with other children met through dance classes, church, family friends, etc.
@heikophilo You are retarded - Liking you parents is the most important information, when this kid is 30, and realize how his parent basically did nothing for his future.
@lord69z Ummmm.... she's a girl =/ Seriously, who names a boy Holly? By the way, you do realize that you don't need school to succeed in life, don't you?
So if she's not going to college... then what is she going to do for a living? Leech off Mom and Dad? (They probably wouldn't care...) Someone may as well hand her a McDonalds application right now...
@hannabthemd Didn't you know there are tons of successful people, from small business owners to big time CEO's that drop out of school and never go to college? We don't need to participate in the education system in order to contribute something great to society.
@starglowe That's true, but there are even more people who did go to college, so...
A lot of those CEOs who didn't go to school probably scared their parents to death. They probably suffered a lot financially and emotionally and by luck found their calling or what have you. I don't think that type of fear is worth it, IMO because sometimes that fear is like that for life. Not everyone has what it takes to be CEO, whether they went to college or not.
@elmore1735 How so? Are you pursuing a degree in English? Maybe that's why. Consider something that will actually be lucrative. Some careers you simply cannot enter without the degree.
@elmore1735 I go to University of Maryland and I get between $1500 to $2500 every semester through refund checks after my tuition and everything is paid for through scholarships and grants meaning i'd actually be loosing money if I dropped out of school.
This iz an awsome video.I agree with unschooling.my abusive family ruined my life by being obsessed with things like school,and being anti free thought.I waz and am smarter than them.age does not determine smarts or maturity.this countrys very discriminitory twords people especially wen there young.I waz ever out of school and breifly homeschooled but I should have been unschooled.people learn best online and in other wayz,they need 2choose wat they want 2 learn.
fuck all you people that think unschooling is wrong i know how to read and write i know all my times and soon im going to learn multible collum +ing -ing
and half box division and the finantcial part im starting up a worm casting/worm buissness o and please dont insult me because i spelled a few things wrong
if you can understand what im saying then it doesent matter
I was unschooled until I turned 15...It was difficult at first being thrown into high school like I was, but I caught on and caught up! Growing up unschooled was terrible though, because people intimidated me and hurt my feelings for no good reason; I'm a nice introvert...
Wow, there is a lot of hate here. I think she speaks like a 16 year old. A casual 16 year old. Ask any other 16 year old what she thinks of her day to day life in a "regular" school and compare the two. Please don't hate what you don't understand. And remember, you are speaking of a child here. Fearing what you don't know much about can cause you to say things that don't sound very nice. For the record, plenty of unschoolers have prominent educations and jobs.
@girlofgodscountry, I'm sure you're right that unschooling does not necessarily shut one out of opportunities. However, I'm going to stand by everything I've said here.
1. Whatever her intelligence may be, Holly shows no signs here of being either educated or articulate
2. The 16 year old girls in my inner-city classrooms are better spoken that this.
3. My nine-year old is far better spoken than this.
4. For a well-rounded education, most people are best off utilizing a local school
@dizkoteck Well this was just a very tacky comment. Plenty of unschoolers have jobs and higher educations. She happens to be one that is not interested in college. What is your answer to all the porn stars, unemployed folks, and degenerates that DID go to public schools?
@Hotsmoke76 Seeing this question about homeschoolers and unschoolers confuses me. Do people not realize that a majority of the unemployed, underemployed, impoverished, etc went to public schools and were overlooked by the system? Who is to say their futures would have been different had their parents or someone taken a one-on-one approach with them? Why does not having a formal education doom one to unemployment? Look at Einstein....
@girlofgodscountry omg seriously dude what are u saying? if u dont go to highschool u cant obviously go to university and if u cant go to university u cant get a degree in anything at all! u would probaly have 2 be a gardener or be an office cleaner.
@Hotsmoke76 There are aptitude tests one can take to get a high school diploma or the equivalent (GED). That is how they get into university/college. And I know plenty of people without college educations that have prosperous, fulfilling, "legitimate", well paying jobs. Yes, college educations can land you some jobs that you may not get otherwise. But that does not bar you from any worthy employment in the future.
@Hotsmoke76 Oh, and what I was trying to say was that all of the naysayers on here assume the only way to secure a future is to go to public school. And then to college. There are plenty of people in this country/world who went to both and still ended up homeless, jobless, living in poverty, etc. So these things do NOT secure a prosperous future.
@girlofgodscountry, are you familiar with logic? Then you know that just because there is a (pretty small) possibility that a college-educated person can end up homeless in America these days, it does not follow that the best thing to do is keep one's child home from school her whole life.
@EyeLean5280 The chances are not really that small. I know at least a handful of people personally that have college degrees and are either working minimum wage jobs, a breath away from homelessness, etc. My concern here is that all of the naysayers here on this page seem more concerned with their perceived (and very wrong) notion that unschooled kids are doomed for unemployment. I am very familiar with logic. I am also familiar with educating oneself on the facts.
I don't think she speaks any differently than any other 16 yo. apart from her being an individual, of course. I wonder how many people actually HAVE teenagers or TALK to teenagers here. This is much like how everyone knows how to raise someone else's child before they have kids of their own.
I'm not sure what you mean by "worse." Does that mean you'd rather have a beer with Holly than with me? Fine.
But my speaking and writing skills have opened many professional doors for me that I know for a fact would be closed to Holly. I've had upward mobility, live in a nicer neighborhood than my parents did & enjoy a household income well above the national average.
I feel bad for Holly & am trying to dissuade others from following her example.
Thank you soooooo much for this video. I just started unschooling my three young kids and was really wanting to hear from grown teens that have been unschooled. I would love to hear more of your experiences. What age did you start reading?
@Dummy288, if the unschooling parents on YT are representative, giving their kids a choice is not a high priority. They either never put their kids in school or pull them out while they're very young - far too inexperienced to form a valid opinion on the experience.
@EyeLean5280 Chances are, the parents actually went to public school. And I imagine, like myself, they hear enough awful stories from their friends with public schooled kids that the pros of schooling at home (in any way) far outweigh any benefit of sending their own kids in that direction. And if an unschooled child shows PS interest, they are usually freely allowed to go. Strange that most don't.
@Ujikaweapon1 And what exactly do you do? Many an educated individual has worked at McDonald's (that thing between the d and the s is an apostrophe, by the way) and gone on to other employment in the world.
"hahaha! i will piss in the very face of biology and mentally starve someone of information during their formative years. nothing bad can come of this"
oh yeah, also. is this Sandra Dodd educated? did she complete high school/earn a college degree? just curious.
You're right. People don't learn on their own. I guess in nature, biology would just allow us to be born and die immediately because we didn't go to school to learn to breath.
@pyromodder, sure we'd learn to breathE, but if you want to make it in contemporary society, a formal education is usually considered pretty important. Just ask any human resources department worker.
@wootbastard, Sandra Dodd claims to be a former teacher. I think we can infer how adept she was by her statement, "school kids stop learning." (See below.)
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at such an admission. I've been a teacher for years, in all kinds of circumstances, including inner-city, and no kid in any of *my* classes ever stopped learning.
@EyeLean5280 So you mean to tell us that EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE of your students learned every morsel of education they were meant to memorize and regurgitate on a test? None of them ever "zoned out" and missed a lesson? If you think that is the case, you are either not in touch with your students or you are the best teacher in all the world. Judging by your comments, my guess would be the former.
@EyeLean5280 I am not trying to dismiss you with anything. Your comment was a very blanketed one. Please reread your statement and you may see why I asked the question the way that I did.
PS: if you are a fair-minded person and look through ALL my comments here, you will admit that I am fair-minded myself. I am adamant that Holly's conversation style is inarticulate, but I also correct posters who accuse her of continued illiteracy and insist she'll end up in McDonald's or porn videos.
@EyeLean5280 I do believe I am a fair minded person, even playing devil's advocate to friends that I agree with merely to open our minds up to both sides of something. However, in a forum where there seems to be so much misinformation and disrespect, it's hard not to sound biased when I disagree with so much of what is said. I had not read all of your comments when I posted and do agree that you had some balanced comments. But your public school bias showed through in the majority.
Urhm, well. I would be interested to learn how she responds to a bunch of questions; not stuff such as knowledge etc, but instead questions about morality and whether or not she is religious.
Its unfortunate that people in this day and age would turn away from learning. I can only hope that she has chosen to advance her mind on her own irrespective of curriculum, rather than let it go to waste.
@ReilockZ, interesting that you cannot tell. And I think your response vindicates those of us here who have been saying that unschooling is not shown in a very good light by this video.
I think it's interesting that even in this economy, people can justify not going to school/college. Not because they can't afford it, I can understand that, but because they "just don't want to".
It's a philosophy taken to an extreme. Extremes are off balance. I am a 60 year old educator and I learn daily outside of school. Most of what I have learned has been outside a classroom. HOWEVER, I am not anti-classroom. Discipline is important in all of our lives and to totally disregard the need for a certain amount of it is delusional. Yes, this is an idea with some value carried to a dangerous extreme.
it seems to me that American schools allow plenty of time for the sorts of learning "unschoolers" strive to be engaged in (let's face it, kids are off from school a little over half the year, 185 days or more).
I don't really understand the justification for depriving kids of the sorts of experiences that can only be had in school, especially when private schools abound for those not cut out for public school.
There is a fundamental difference between memory and comprehension, that is knowledge and the application of it. Movements like this lead to dangerous thinking and social regression. I understanding that there is choice to not conventionally educate someone through school, but to not substitute it is to take away knowledge and that is unfair for her.
tomasz1986 1 week ago
Just read something called, hurpderppedia. Yeah... schooled people.
ion010101 2 weeks ago
well, how -does- she learn?
Mixarenan 2 weeks ago
@Mixarenan I can't imagine being without that intuitive understanding. I can't imagine that. I can't imagine being you. I pride myself on being able to get into just about any head space... but I can't imagine alive in the world devoid of the answer to your question.
ion010101 2 weeks ago
@ion010101 I can't imagine people think that intuitive will always lead to correct knowledge, 'cause that's just batshit lunacy. oh, wait, I can. nvm.
Mixarenan 2 weeks ago
@Mixarenan I understand how people learn based on what I intuited plus experience, observation, evidence, the testimony of others. Learning is what your brain does. It doesn't do anything else. How did you learn to walk or talk? Because learning is what your nervous system does. This means you're learning even when you don't know you're learning. If you're forced to learn multiplication, you will learn - and you learn that you need to be forced in order to learn. That's why you think that, now.
ion010101 2 weeks ago
am not down with this idea!
filmon0 1 month ago
cool story! first time to hear that! its kind of shit thou!
filmon0 1 month ago
"I'm ignorant by choice. That makes it OK."
I'd still call her...like...stupid.
multitalentino 3 months ago
How can someone be successful if they can't read?!?! How is she going to support herself??
shesaterror 3 months ago
@shesaterror If you listen it says she said when she was six people asked if she could read and she said no. Not that she can't read now.
ThePrimalTribe 3 months ago
@ThePrimalTribe I pretty much had the same reaction as shesaterror. Thank you for clarifying :D
Neoglitch255 2 weeks ago
She seems intelligent and very motivated, but not all kids are like that. I think unschooling is great for certain types of kids and certain families.
TheTravelfool 3 months ago
why can't they "learn from life" in conjunction with structure and discipline
Spiderweb127 3 months ago
You are too cute. We are unschoolers too. Our kids love being with us and we love being with them :)
FreedomRingsToday 4 months ago
@FreedomRingsToday Your kids actually hate you wish to see you in a fire, Sorry.
cky1088 3 weeks ago
I wonder if she's learned the word 'pretentious'.
riemh 4 months ago
@riemh have you learned the phrase "shut up"?
Ridd333 2 months ago
@Ridd333 yes, I am familiar with that phrase. I also know the phrase "freedom of speech" and the phrase "online etiquette" and here's another one "get a grip".
riemh 2 months ago
how do they learn to read? And what about math? How bout U.S. or world history? If the parents don't know or aren't teaching the kids, then what if a kids wants to learn about the physics of machinery. The parents aren't teaching their children the full fundamentals of how to be an average member of society. I'm happy with my public school education. By 2nd grade, I had an 11th grade reading level and a 7th grade math level. What about your kids who are unschooled?
BriannaKaye09 5 months ago
@BriannaKaye09 Not all people have an 11th grade reading level in 2nd grad. If the kids want to learn physics, then they tell there parents fined a way to teach it to them in a way they want to learn it, (it is just an option) levels do not tell everything. I'm in 8th grad and I have a reading level of a 5th 6th grader and a math level of a 4th 5th grader. we all learn in different ways, we should do what works for us. (I'm not unschooled myself)
fashiongurl37 5 months ago
@BriannaKaye09 Oh my God, get off you self-congratulatory high-horse. It seems that the only reason you even posted was to brag about how freakishly cool you are. Though you may be all you say you are, your reading and math levels have NOTHING to do with public school, it comes from your own natural cognitive skills.
To answer your first questions (IF they weren't actually rhetorical) math, science, and history books do not ONLY exist at schools. IT'S CALLED AN BOOKSTORE.
LordFrydae 4 months ago
Children are not all age equal in their capacities or desires to learn, yet school expects them to be. It's only logic that you should learn what you want to learn and learn what will be useful in your own individual life. I wish I were home-schooled, because I struggled all the way through school with ADHD and an IQ of 127. I remember thinking that teachers weren't always so bright and I knew more than they seemed to. My son was reprimanded for correcting teachers with false information. HA!
4evalovenpeace 5 months ago
@roguecereal Yeah, you're probably right. I shouldn't be so harsh, but at the same time...
Rosebunse 5 months ago
A lot of these homse-schooled kids seem...strange. I mean, not all in a bad way, but seem just seem smug. Not all of them, but many just seem smug. And after being in college, many of them still feel smug. Not all, but many just act like they are some superior subset of humanity.
Rosebunse 5 months ago
The only reason some people can be unschooled is because most people are schooled. If everyone was unschooled, civilization as we know it would end.
blahk04 5 months ago
@thesnare100 That would be because I am so severely dyslexic that I use voice recognition software. Finding coping strategies to deal with my disability often makes it so that ignorant people question its legitimacy.
If you have any polite questions, I would be more than happy to answer them (possibly in a video!). :)
13VanessaMae 5 months ago
@BalkanHope No, soon education will be obselete as we know it. Instead of spending years in school, they'll be able to input the information directly into your brain, like installing a program on a hard drive, like in the Matrix. At that point, we will no longer get jobs by what we know, education will be "irrelevant" experience and performance is all that will matter...............:)
thesnare100 5 months ago
The fact that they change their view in mid-conversation: "Oh, that sucks" to "Well, that's kind of cool actually" - it shows how they've been made afraid to think for themselves. Just to have their OWN opinion of your life as an unschooler takes them a while.
xander7ful 6 months ago
Kids need discipline, when they don't get it and learn to go by certain rules (even if the system is fucked up as it is) they will not be able to have jobs, or even their own family. You don't want your kids to be in school? Fine! Then homeschool them! Teach them how to read and write properly, how to do sums, divisions and multiplications properly; where their country is, and how to read maps. Stuff that will help them in their daily life! Not just... nothing, for goodness' sake! XD
akissy 6 months ago
@akissy Is it your view that someone cannot learn how to read maps once one encounters a situation where map reading would be useful?
XOmniverse 5 months ago
@XOmniverse not unless they are taught how. Knowledge doesn't magically come to you justfor trying to do know it.
akissy 5 months ago
@angelhatesyou75217. What i do for living is what drew me to this video/subject in the first place. i decide what employment candidate gets reviewed, called, hired/fired etc. I track the performance of individuals under my supervision with profit as the sole indicator of progress. Now if tomorrow i glance at a resume from an unschooled student, i would toss it without thinking twice, not even worth a conversation. You may think that's stupid, but without a MBA its rare to get a call back.
14u2b3 7 months ago
@angelhatesyou75217. I agree, I believe a statisical analysis that outlined the financial success rate for individuals schooled and unschooled would be fascinating. Is there any documentation that shows how unschooled students as a whole are as, less or more likely to obtain a higher education, retain employment and excel in their chosen field compared to schooled students? If there is please direct me to that site. Thanks for telling about your four friends, best luck to all of them.
14u2b3 7 months ago
So let me get this straight??? Some parents actually think they are doing their children a favor by keeping them illiterate and under their peers. I feel sorry for these children as the embark on the real world, because the real world suffers no fools.....oh wait, I get it now, they will always be dependent on their parents because their parents have made them that way. How truly selfish these parents are, what a cop out. Doing what is right for your children is not always easy, but its right.
Dirus42 7 months ago
@Dirus42 I was unschooled, I have a Communications Degree and I'm an EMT. I have my own home, my own car and pay my own bills. Evidently I'm literate, and I'm completely independent. So please enlighten me on how my parents were selfish? And if you don't mind, what personal experience your basing this off of instead of just being another moron surfing the web talking about something they don't know shit about.
angelhatesyou75217 7 months ago
un schooled people will not get jobs
tonyslat 7 months ago
REGARDLESS OF WHAT FANTASY THAT YOUR PARENTS HAVE CONSTRUCTED FOR YOU AS A CHILD/TEEN. WHEN YOU BECOME AN ADULT YOU WILL CRUSH INTO THE WORLD WHERE MONEY MATTERS. TELL YOU WHAT AS A HOMESCHOOL PROJECT DO A STATISICAL ANALYSIS OF THE FINANCAL SUCCESS OF PERSONS UNSCHOOLED VS SCHOOLED. NO FUZZY STORIES JUST NUMBERS THAT HELP YOU BETTER UNDERSTAND THE FUTURE THAT AWAITS YOU.
14u2b3 8 months ago
@14u2b3 quite obvious that the public school system failed you.
happylinnetfulify 7 months ago
@14u2b3 When attempting to argue education methods, you may want to turn off your caps lock, it makes you look more retarded than your argument already did.
Dawgtha 7 months ago
@14u2b3 Did someone leave the caps lock on? Or are you just in an ALL CAPS RAAAAAAAGE!!!!!?
xXxSailorNekoxXx 7 months ago
@14u2b3 This would actually be a really interesting thing to do. Of my 2 best friends that went to regular school, both are Pizza Delivery drivers (well actually one was fired last week).... and of my 2 best friends that were unschooled, one is a Pizza Delivery driver but he's also a yoga instructor and in Security Officer training, the other is attending college for his Masters and has a teaching position ready for him when he's finished. What do you do for a living?
angelhatesyou75217 7 months ago
@14u2b3 First, do a statistical analysis of the number of all-caps arguments that are taken seriously versus properly capitalized and punctuated arguments.
masonkiller666 6 months ago
Schools were not made to disillusion students but it was the people behind the system that made a lot of errors. I have seen countless individuals making a lot of money without even a high school diploma. Being in school is not a guarantee for success later on or not being in school a failure. Her relationship with her family is one clue that she will have success in whatever she decides to focus on. As she speaks one can clearly see a quiet strength beyond her age.No thanks to school system.
mawia123 8 months ago
where do u want to travel dear? Teen: what do you mean? there are other countries?
littleseamstress 9 months ago
This is basically a free person ... someone who hasn't been crushed into a mold by the system (yet). But unfortunately, the system gets worse and worse and more oppressive the older you get. Once you hit a certain age, it will require a piece of paper saying you graduated highschool and strongly enforce a false mandate in many cases of needing a piece of paper from some college. Money or freedom.
spamllpitdept 9 months ago
@spamllpitdept Exactly. Isn't it beautiful to watch? A free person with a smile on her face. I kept wondering when the smile would fade, but it didn't. I've noticed that about children who do Free Schooling and other types of schooling. They are so relaxed and smile more.
xander7ful 6 months ago
What are you going to do in terms of making money in the future? There are people graduating from college who cant find jobs right now. You are going to live the rest of your life in poverty unless your parents are rich....
nataliewheeleryo 10 months ago
Will she like her parents when she gets older and finds out that they have severely limited her choices and her future?
CeeCee1021 11 months ago
@CeeCee1021 How could they have done that? Think, exactly, what that's based on.
ion010101 10 months ago
@CeeCee1021, Holly and I are around the same age. I've gone to traditional school my whole life. Holly managed to do something I wanted to do, but couldn't: work in childcare. Whenever I applied to summer camp or baby-sitting jobs, I'd get turned down because I had absolutely no experience. I only knew how to write essays. Holly works as an au pair in London. I had to rely on my college campus to give me my first ever job through work study. With no resume, not even McDonalds wanted me.
CertainAsTheSun 10 months ago
@CertainAsTheSun I hope you get into child care. See, Holly had no choice. She's happy it seems for now. What blows me away is why would a parent elect to not have their child taught at all? I was home schooled for a year, my parents managed to plow out the half mile driveway and take us to the library every two weeks. We had classes. I learned voraciously. But we had to TV and no electricity and I think that's why it was so successful. They were good models too, a M.A. and a Ph.D. between them.
CeeCee1021 8 months ago
@CeeCee1021 I mean we had NO TV.
CeeCee1021 8 months ago
@CeeCee1021 I think it's important to remember that lots of very successful homeschoolers do have TV and electricity, and they learn plenty. Also, though Holly's parents elected to not have her "taught," that doesn't mean they elected to not have her learn. Learning is the final goal. Often it's achieved without any structured teaching.
aikimoe 8 months ago
"I like my parents." Awesome! :)
wannabeb3 11 months ago
down with luna if you value education like and post on anyother place
luna is trying to get rid of education in idaho
if you want your kids to be able to have a education plz copy and past this
if you think that its jus in idaho think down the rode other states will fallow
plz help the future and past this to other vidios that you wach tonight
tjl102 11 months ago
so can you read? just asking, and what will you do with your future?
cocovite 11 months ago
so can you read? just asking
cocovite 11 months ago
this chick is so dumb she just rambled i heard nothing supportive out of this and i would never let my kids do that. she prob couldn't even read this comment. u wonder y Americans get a bad rep
jsimkins1229 11 months ago
@jsimkins1229 I'm thinking the dumb one is you...
SillyOtaku 11 months ago
@SillyOtaku I'm thinking that was a troll. Speaking of having a laugh at the expense of others... have you noticed that every time the local news interviews a local school child/teenager, they always say what they think they're supposed to say (just as you learn to do in school; especially when you don't know the answer, or don't think you know, and have to fake it) and speak in that dull monotone? Man, talk about delayed!
ion010101 11 months ago
great video
jruizdemena 11 months ago
What a dumbass
littleblackgirl 11 months ago
So if everyone quit school and becomes unschooled, who will the the future doctors, engineers and many more professions which the current world can't live without. All the Technology, the camera thats being used to record her, cars, houses etc, you gotta learn how to do things. You can learn how to repair cars but the world need innovators, you gotta have education to be an innovator. I'm not against unschooling becoz I hate school, I just wonder what the future holds if everyone is unschooled.
ebradahusla 1 year ago
@ebradahusla You don't need to spend your natural childhood being told what to think and when to think it in order for their to be people who want to apprentice or go to a vocational school or grad school or w/e to do those things. The world we have now created a glut of technicians. You might hear anthropologists call our society a technocracy, rule by technocrats... or what I sometimes call, educated idiots. We don't need them in order to have a civilization. Or America could not have started.
ion010101 11 months ago
I like this video. I have a four year old, and two teens who I want to unschool, so it's nice to hear from a teenagers point of view. =)
GraceAlone71 1 year ago
I have no problem with unschooling until college as long as the child learns how to read and do basic math. Just because... well you need to learn how to read, period. And because if they have a career goal,I don't want them to struggle in math classes necessary to get the degree.
PeaceUdo 1 year ago
Uhmmm what kind of work or business does she expect to get into with no degree or no connections/help?
PeaceUdo 1 year ago
At some point you have to earn a living.If you cannot read you re limited in everything you do. I have met unschooled kids and they were wild, badly behaved, rude, upleasant kids.
Imogen1885 1 year ago
I feel sorry for this young boy.
toweronepower 1 year ago
@toweronepower this might sound surprising, but its a girl
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ChristinaWolfle 1 year ago
what do unschooled kids do for jobs? I mean apart from either side of the argument.. do these kids grow up to be working adults so they can support themselves?
juslemeout 1 year ago
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unschooling might be , emphasize Might Be, possible for high IQ individuals, but for the average American unschooling is a huge mistake. We're such ignorant science denying superstition ridden yahoos as is! Reform the education system YES! Unschool, NEVER!
NightManiacsInc 1 year ago
Never been to school. Doesn't want to go to college. People ask her if she didn't go to school then what did she do all day. She doesn't understand the question. Indication of lack of critical thinking skills. She doesn't know how to read. Major sources of information will be lost to her the longer she is alive. Sources such as any medium of information containing words.
Ujikaweapon1 1 year ago
@Ujikaweapon1 She only said that when she was SIX she didn't know how to read. Also, she seems articulate, bright, sensible, aware. The reason she phrased it: "I don't understand the question" only implies that she and the asker are coming from TOTALLY different worlds. The problem with answering was that unschooling is a way of life, not a routine, daily activity easily summed up. "All day", she spends her time living, pursuing her interests, interacting with the world in an organic way.
bKiwiD 1 year ago
No offense, but she doesn't sound very bright, to be honest.
lilyenc 1 year ago
I really hate this who needs a diploma to make it in life and make money attitude, I work as a ship mechanic and I would not be able to do a good job without my marine academy education, however my life is made difficult in a ships engine room by motormen (who do not have academic education) because they are not properly educated. Education is worthless unless you use it in proper context, your life as a fast food waitress will not require an education, jobs with responsibilities do.
mcraveo 1 year ago
I went to public school until the 9th grade. I never really interacted with the other children in school and when I was out of school I was never around anyone my age. When my parents split my mom started homeschooling me, but that didn't work either. So I've just been sitting doing nothing feeling guilty about not doing school. I just recently found out about Unschooling, and its given me a new outlook on my life. I don't feel so guilty and I am ready to get out there and continue to learn.
Hushpuppygirl 1 year ago 2
i feel the lack of social interaction with her peers is the most damaging part. not learning book stuff is not nearly as bad as not learning to have friends
LOLiMovie 1 year ago
@LOLiMovie Im so sick of hearing this argument. School is NOT the only way to interact with your peers. and its not the best way either. Its one way. That is all.
Aprilshowersss 1 year ago 15
@Aprilshowersss My friend like to use the point that school FORCES you to constantly be in contact with your peers, whether its a good situation or a bad one. She thinks that this forces children to learn how to interact socially in many situations. She told me about her friends who were home schooled that were always with other children, but they grow up socially awkward. I wonder if maybe that's just how they would be ANYWAY. Lots of school kids are awkward, too.
PeaceUdo 1 year ago
@PeaceUdo Well I can certainly speak from experience that public school is not the golden ticket to social grace. I am horribly awkward and very very introverted and I went to public school. In the 10 years since I have been free from what I affectionately refer to as "day prison" I have begun to learn, REALLY learn, and improve my social skills, although I am naturally introverted so I'll never be a social butterfly, but I'm much better off being free to do things at my own pace.
Aprilshowersss 1 year ago
@Aprilshowersss I think public school is what made me to not be socially awkward. I was forced to be in those situations and I did not like my outcomes. Because of that, I taught myself skills necessary to do so well that now I love public speaking.
My little brother on the other hand is not the same. He's socially awkward and cannot change the way I could. However, I think public school may have showed him that it is ok because his peers seem to be enchanted by his quietness.'
Hmmm!
PeaceUdo 1 year ago
@LOLiMovie Why do you assume she has no friends? Just because she's not stuffed into a classroom with other bored children several hours a day, doesn't mean she doesn't spend time with other children met through dance classes, church, family friends, etc.
bKiwiD 1 year ago
@bKiwiD Spot on Sir or Madam !!!
computersolutions164 1 year ago
The Godfather of Unschooling is the Dude from the Big Lebowski!
sobodude 1 year ago
@sobodude The Dude actually attended college.
elmore1735 1 year ago
"I like my parents" That is wonderful and to me the most important information.
heikophilo 1 year ago 30
@heikophilo You are retarded - Liking you parents is the most important information, when this kid is 30, and realize how his parent basically did nothing for his future.
lord69z 9 months ago
@lord69z Ummmm.... she's a girl =/ Seriously, who names a boy Holly? By the way, you do realize that you don't need school to succeed in life, don't you?
xXSnowflakezXx 9 months ago
@heikophilo That statement is indeed "PRICELESS".....I guess very few teens would say that about their parents (let alone really mean it)!
Freethinker45 4 months ago 2
So if she's not going to college... then what is she going to do for a living? Leech off Mom and Dad? (They probably wouldn't care...) Someone may as well hand her a McDonalds application right now...
hannabthemd 1 year ago
@hannabthemd Didn't you know there are tons of successful people, from small business owners to big time CEO's that drop out of school and never go to college? We don't need to participate in the education system in order to contribute something great to society.
starglowe 1 year ago
@starglowe That's true, but there are even more people who did go to college, so...
A lot of those CEOs who didn't go to school probably scared their parents to death. They probably suffered a lot financially and emotionally and by luck found their calling or what have you. I don't think that type of fear is worth it, IMO because sometimes that fear is like that for life. Not everyone has what it takes to be CEO, whether they went to college or not.
PeaceUdo 1 year ago
@hannabthemd I would actually make more money over my lifetime if I quit college.
elmore1735 1 year ago
@elmore1735 How so? Are you pursuing a degree in English? Maybe that's why. Consider something that will actually be lucrative. Some careers you simply cannot enter without the degree.
PeaceUdo 1 year ago
@elmore1735 how?
PeaceUdo 1 year ago
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@elmore1735 how?
PeaceUdo 1 year ago
@elmore1735 I go to University of Maryland and I get between $1500 to $2500 every semester through refund checks after my tuition and everything is paid for through scholarships and grants meaning i'd actually be loosing money if I dropped out of school.
ebradahusla 1 year ago
This iz an awsome video.I agree with unschooling.my abusive family ruined my life by being obsessed with things like school,and being anti free thought.I waz and am smarter than them.age does not determine smarts or maturity.this countrys very discriminitory twords people especially wen there young.I waz ever out of school and breifly homeschooled but I should have been unschooled.people learn best online and in other wayz,they need 2choose wat they want 2 learn.
theantiadult 1 year ago 2
@theantiadult
You sound like an idiot who should've taken school more seriously, actually.
ParadoxNG 1 year ago
fuck all you people that think unschooling is wrong i know how to read and write i know all my times and soon im going to learn multible collum +ing -ing
and half box division and the finantcial part im starting up a worm casting/worm buissness o and please dont insult me because i spelled a few things wrong
if you can understand what im saying then it doesent matter
Theoccasionalcoop 1 year ago
I was unschooled until I turned 15...It was difficult at first being thrown into high school like I was, but I caught on and caught up! Growing up unschooled was terrible though, because people intimidated me and hurt my feelings for no good reason; I'm a nice introvert...
iHomestarrunner69 1 year ago
she cant read? then i feel VERY sorry for her. if shes actually educating herself then i dont care if she goes to school or not.
keggerous 1 year ago
@keggerous, she can read. It was when she was six that she had not yet started reading.
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
Wow, there is a lot of hate here. I think she speaks like a 16 year old. A casual 16 year old. Ask any other 16 year old what she thinks of her day to day life in a "regular" school and compare the two. Please don't hate what you don't understand. And remember, you are speaking of a child here. Fearing what you don't know much about can cause you to say things that don't sound very nice. For the record, plenty of unschoolers have prominent educations and jobs.
girlofgodscountry 1 year ago
@girlofgodscountry, I'm sure you're right that unschooling does not necessarily shut one out of opportunities. However, I'm going to stand by everything I've said here.
1. Whatever her intelligence may be, Holly shows no signs here of being either educated or articulate
2. The 16 year old girls in my inner-city classrooms are better spoken that this.
3. My nine-year old is far better spoken than this.
4. For a well-rounded education, most people are best off utilizing a local school
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
hardly an inspiring case for unschooling, all she did was dribble on. though i'm sure mum is very proud
hitfaceball 1 year ago
Its a simple question, what do you do all day?! stupid.
lol, for someone who cant read sure is proud of it.... and sure have a lot of books behind her.
Ladies and Gentlemen, meet Holly Todd...future porn star
dizkoteck 1 year ago
@dizkoteck Well this was just a very tacky comment. Plenty of unschoolers have jobs and higher educations. She happens to be one that is not interested in college. What is your answer to all the porn stars, unemployed folks, and degenerates that DID go to public schools?
girlofgodscountry 1 year ago
she sounds like someone reading a text message outloud... written by an 11 year old
dizkoteck 1 year ago
wtf will she do for a living
Hotsmoke76 1 year ago
@Hotsmoke76 Seeing this question about homeschoolers and unschoolers confuses me. Do people not realize that a majority of the unemployed, underemployed, impoverished, etc went to public schools and were overlooked by the system? Who is to say their futures would have been different had their parents or someone taken a one-on-one approach with them? Why does not having a formal education doom one to unemployment? Look at Einstein....
girlofgodscountry 1 year ago
@girlofgodscountry omg seriously dude what are u saying? if u dont go to highschool u cant obviously go to university and if u cant go to university u cant get a degree in anything at all! u would probaly have 2 be a gardener or be an office cleaner.
Hotsmoke76 1 year ago
@Hotsmoke76 There are aptitude tests one can take to get a high school diploma or the equivalent (GED). That is how they get into university/college. And I know plenty of people without college educations that have prosperous, fulfilling, "legitimate", well paying jobs. Yes, college educations can land you some jobs that you may not get otherwise. But that does not bar you from any worthy employment in the future.
girlofgodscountry 1 year ago
@Hotsmoke76 Oh, and what I was trying to say was that all of the naysayers on here assume the only way to secure a future is to go to public school. And then to college. There are plenty of people in this country/world who went to both and still ended up homeless, jobless, living in poverty, etc. So these things do NOT secure a prosperous future.
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EyeLean5280 1 year ago
@girlofgodscountry, are you familiar with logic? Then you know that just because there is a (pretty small) possibility that a college-educated person can end up homeless in America these days, it does not follow that the best thing to do is keep one's child home from school her whole life.
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
@EyeLean5280 The chances are not really that small. I know at least a handful of people personally that have college degrees and are either working minimum wage jobs, a breath away from homelessness, etc. My concern here is that all of the naysayers here on this page seem more concerned with their perceived (and very wrong) notion that unschooled kids are doomed for unemployment. I am very familiar with logic. I am also familiar with educating oneself on the facts.
girlofgodscountry 1 year ago
I don't think she speaks any differently than any other 16 yo. apart from her being an individual, of course. I wonder how many people actually HAVE teenagers or TALK to teenagers here. This is much like how everyone knows how to raise someone else's child before they have kids of their own.
melcabral 1 year ago
eyelean5280- quit whining. you sound so much worse than this holly (since you're telling her she has "poor speaking skills" or whatever).
IMO, she's just talking very casually.
unschooling, to me, is better than going to school.period.(just trying to annoy you.lol.)
anonymous00447 1 year ago
@anonymous00447, you're not annoying me.
I'm not sure what you mean by "worse." Does that mean you'd rather have a beer with Holly than with me? Fine.
But my speaking and writing skills have opened many professional doors for me that I know for a fact would be closed to Holly. I've had upward mobility, live in a nicer neighborhood than my parents did & enjoy a household income well above the national average.
I feel bad for Holly & am trying to dissuade others from following her example.
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
@EyeLean5280 , I'm sorry but what you replied is an epic fail.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair (1878-1968)
...you're a teacher, right? That explains it.
anonymous00447 1 year ago
Way to wreck your children for life. Thumbs up for the parents that think this is a good idea.....
Talonnz1 1 year ago
Holly,
Thank you soooooo much for this video. I just started unschooling my three young kids and was really wanting to hear from grown teens that have been unschooled. I would love to hear more of your experiences. What age did you start reading?
SiriShakti123 1 year ago
@SiriShakti123 she probably still cant and u need to get shot and your kids taken by social services
MODspartan 1 year ago
@SiriShakti123 Your kids ain't saving any lives when they grow up.
jazzmatik 1 year ago
@Dummy288, if the unschooling parents on YT are representative, giving their kids a choice is not a high priority. They either never put their kids in school or pull them out while they're very young - far too inexperienced to form a valid opinion on the experience.
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
@EyeLean5280 Chances are, the parents actually went to public school. And I imagine, like myself, they hear enough awful stories from their friends with public schooled kids that the pros of schooling at home (in any way) far outweigh any benefit of sending their own kids in that direction. And if an unschooled child shows PS interest, they are usually freely allowed to go. Strange that most don't.
girlofgodscountry 1 year ago
Well, we will need more factory linemen.
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EyeLean5280 1 year ago
She can't even read? I used to be able te recognize words even before I went to school.
Arabastai 1 year ago
enjoy mcdonalds lol
Ujikaweapon1 1 year ago
@Ujikaweapon1 And what exactly do you do? Many an educated individual has worked at McDonald's (that thing between the d and the s is an apostrophe, by the way) and gone on to other employment in the world.
girlofgodscountry 1 year ago
@girlofgodscountry well, for starters, i dont work at mcdonalds lol
Ujikaweapon1 1 year ago
@Ujikaweapon1 That's for starters. Usually "for starters" means there is going to be something to follow.
girlofgodscountry 1 year ago
@girlofgodscountry u mad
Ujikaweapon1 1 year ago
"hahaha! i will piss in the very face of biology and mentally starve someone of information during their formative years. nothing bad can come of this"
oh yeah, also. is this Sandra Dodd educated? did she complete high school/earn a college degree? just curious.
wootbastard 1 year ago
You're right. People don't learn on their own. I guess in nature, biology would just allow us to be born and die immediately because we didn't go to school to learn to breath.
pyromodder 1 year ago
@pyromodder, sure we'd learn to breathE, but if you want to make it in contemporary society, a formal education is usually considered pretty important. Just ask any human resources department worker.
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
Do you know what you are saying? Have you done any research, or are you just talking off of the top of your head?
pyromodder 1 year ago
@wootbastard, Sandra Dodd claims to be a former teacher. I think we can infer how adept she was by her statement, "school kids stop learning." (See below.)
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at such an admission. I've been a teacher for years, in all kinds of circumstances, including inner-city, and no kid in any of *my* classes ever stopped learning.
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
@EyeLean5280 So you mean to tell us that EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE of your students learned every morsel of education they were meant to memorize and regurgitate on a test? None of them ever "zoned out" and missed a lesson? If you think that is the case, you are either not in touch with your students or you are the best teacher in all the world. Judging by your comments, my guess would be the former.
girlofgodscountry 1 year ago
@girlofgodscountry, did I make those claims? No, of course not. Are you trying to dismiss me with a straw man argument? Yes, of course you are.
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
@EyeLean5280 I am not trying to dismiss you with anything. Your comment was a very blanketed one. Please reread your statement and you may see why I asked the question the way that I did.
girlofgodscountry 1 year ago
PS: if you are a fair-minded person and look through ALL my comments here, you will admit that I am fair-minded myself. I am adamant that Holly's conversation style is inarticulate, but I also correct posters who accuse her of continued illiteracy and insist she'll end up in McDonald's or porn videos.
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
@EyeLean5280 I do believe I am a fair minded person, even playing devil's advocate to friends that I agree with merely to open our minds up to both sides of something. However, in a forum where there seems to be so much misinformation and disrespect, it's hard not to sound biased when I disagree with so much of what is said. I had not read all of your comments when I posted and do agree that you had some balanced comments. But your public school bias showed through in the majority.
girlofgodscountry 1 year ago
I love how her sentence structure is so poor.
Maybe socialising is a good thing, who'd think?
Taurshaz 1 year ago
@Taurshaz Are you kidding me? That's what sentences sound like when you aren't braindead from years of public school
TheBilly 1 year ago
@Taurshaz What, exactly, makes you assume that unschooled children are unsocialized? Clearly you know nothing of the lifestyle.
girlofgodscountry 1 year ago
Urhm, well. I would be interested to learn how she responds to a bunch of questions; not stuff such as knowledge etc, but instead questions about morality and whether or not she is religious.
thegrogen 1 year ago
enjoy your mcdonalds
BUHHHHHHH 1 year ago
so by unschooled she means minimum homeschooled. Oh okay. That makes you soooo unique.
MW2Firewall 1 year ago
I stopped watching at the air of unwarranted smugness.
ragnarok9899 1 year ago 6
@ragnarok9899 Final Fantasy fan?
jazzmatik 1 year ago
@jazzmatik What? No, why?
ragnarok9899 1 year ago
@ragnarok9899 Your user name is "ragnarok" which is the main airship in Final Fantasy 8.
jazzmatik 1 year ago
@jazzmatik Oooh, naw, I got it from Norse mythology :)
ragnarok9899 1 year ago
Its unfortunate that people in this day and age would turn away from learning. I can only hope that she has chosen to advance her mind on her own irrespective of curriculum, rather than let it go to waste.
ReilockZ 1 year ago
@ReilockZ That is, indeed, the purpose and idea of unschooling. :) The majority of these kids do just that and do not turn away from learning.
girlofgodscountry 1 year ago
@ReilockZ, interesting that you cannot tell. And I think your response vindicates those of us here who have been saying that unschooling is not shown in a very good light by this video.
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
Are books on background made from paper-mâché?
Disregard that she is really cute in Boxxy kind of way.
machetas 1 year ago
@machetas You mean horseface ugly?
Omnominable 1 year ago
@Omnominable Many people would agree with you, others would not.
Can she read now at the age of 17, that is the interesting question.
machetas 1 year ago
@machetas I think the implication is that she can. I would be interested in a list of *what* she has read, though.
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
Well, someone has to scrub my toilets and mop my floors.
And civilization continues to progress.
thatguy1337ftw 1 year ago 3
Her speech was very disorganized.
I think it's interesting that even in this economy, people can justify not going to school/college. Not because they can't afford it, I can understand that, but because they "just don't want to".
sykickg 1 year ago
It's a philosophy taken to an extreme. Extremes are off balance. I am a 60 year old educator and I learn daily outside of school. Most of what I have learned has been outside a classroom. HOWEVER, I am not anti-classroom. Discipline is important in all of our lives and to totally disregard the need for a certain amount of it is delusional. Yes, this is an idea with some value carried to a dangerous extreme.
bethelshiloh 1 year ago
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EyeLean5280 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
it seems to me that American schools allow plenty of time for the sorts of learning "unschoolers" strive to be engaged in (let's face it, kids are off from school a little over half the year, 185 days or more).
I don't really understand the justification for depriving kids of the sorts of experiences that can only be had in school, especially when private schools abound for those not cut out for public school.
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
She has the conversational skills of an 11 year old. I do not get the vibe of someone on the brink of adulthood coming from this video.
ummabdurrahman1 1 year ago
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ummabdurrahman1 1 year ago
What makes her think she can ever even get into collage if she doesn't even have a high school diploma?
vagitoe 1 year ago