can anyone still believe that people in 2011 make a couple more dollars that 5.25 per hour? did you know that Australia has a minimum wage of over 15 bucks per hour? how dumb has our country become?
nancy is like billary, they just babel on and on wasting time, they can talk for hours and hours and not say a damn thing, you have to limit them to 10 second answers.....
Awesome. Second time in as many days that I have seen a video on youtube where someone was getting logically outmaneuvered and suddenly had to escape. Way to threaten to forcibly remove an interviewer too, Pelosi is a real class act.
Minimum wage isn't the problem....The problem is runaway inflation resulting from the devaluing of our currency due to excessive govt spending and an fed's overactive printing press. An increase in the minimum wage is band-aid to a gushing wound. It doesn't fix the problem - it helps temporarily hide and further exacerbate it. If the dollar wasn't so devalued we wouldn't have to raise the minimum wage in the first place because it would have more buying power than it does now.
The interviewer is a joke. I'm all for grilling politicians like Pelosi but who the F is volunteering at walmart, pancake houses, and lawn service companies which are private enterprises which operate PURELY for profit?
@fububalla Do you think that Radio, TV and Film facilities don't operate for "pure profit"? Yet people are willing to intern for them without pay. The point is that if an employee is willing to work for less than minimum wage, for whatever the reason, what business is it of the government? Minimum wage laws increase unemployment and they hurt the people they are designed to help; young and unskilled labor. So why have a minimum wage at all?
@kev3d The Media you mention are a special case because its a celebrity field. You have the same thing w/ high school/college kids playing for nothing cause they know the potential payout is big. It has nothing to do w/ min wage.
Read/look at history before min wage laws and ask your self what kind of country would we be without without such pro-worker legislation in our history.
Also, see my various other comments please because I've grown fatigued of repeating the same points.
@fububalla Celebrity field? Who cares? There are lots of fields in which people are willing to work in order to gain experience. As for the minimum wage in history, the federal minimum wage was not firmly established until 1938. So the various booms in history before 1938 happened without a minimum wage. Singapore effectively has no minimum wage and it has lower unemployment than most countries as well. Again, what business is it of government if employer and employee come to an agreement?
@kev3d As much as you don't like it, it is government's business. If you and your employee come to an agreement to put an addictive substance in your restaurant's food supply chain in exchange for your quiteness and a higher wage, is that the government's business? Look, I know its a hard line to draw but it is for the sake of economic stability. Min wage aint the prob, its bigger than that hoss.
@fububalla Thats ridiculous. Do you think minimum wage prevents bribery? Adding certain things to the food supply is between the consumer and the seller anyway and is only an issue for the government when either side of the seller/consumer contract is violated; the seller takes without paying or the seller sells something other than what was promised. Economic stability? Minimum wages INCREASES unemployment, particularly for the young and unskilled. Hence the high black unemployment rate.
@kev3d I hope you know what's in your cheeseburger then.
I never said m wage prevents bribery, thats a strawman.
The black unemployment rate has always been high regardless of minimum wage so where is your correlation? The severity of the black unemployment rate is almost purely a social problem, not an economic one.
@fububalla You're confusing the problems. Black americans are more likely to be unskilled, thats a social problem. The fact that unskilled labor is not worth the minimum wage is an economic one. If an activity, like digging holes, is only worth 2-3 an hour why would any business pay a person to do it for more than twice that wage? Thats why there are so many illegal immigrants, they'll do the work for the rate the work is worth.
@fububalla Why did you suggest that it is the government's business to regulate pay; equating it to "you and your employee come to an agreement to put an addictive substance in your restaurant's food supply chain in exchange for your quiteness and a higher wage, is that the government's business?" You are linking two unrelated things; bribery in an attempt to defraud the public, versus a private contract between two people in which no fraud is being conducted.
@kev3d Is bribery a public contract? No, its a public one, that the government has the business of prevent. Likewise, the government sets a minimum standard of wage payment for corporations so as to prevent the same corrupt vein. If you can't see the link then you don't understand responsibilities of government and law for the public good.
@fububalla First of all, bribery isn't wrong per se unless it contravenes some other law or contract. But even if we assume bribery is wrong and illegal then that it is because someone, somewhere (probably a third party) is being harmed. But with a voluntary contract between two people, employer and employee, by definition, there is no 3rd party, no involuntary action and no one is harmed, ergo, it is not the government's business.
@fububalla "the government sets a minimum standard of wage payment for corporations so as to prevent the same corrupt vein. " How is two people coming to mutually agreeable terms "corrupt"?
Laws are meant to protect rights; life, liberty and property and very little else. That is the extent of the "public good", and such protection is essentially passive. But a proactive approach (you MUST do X, even if there is no victim) is much different and immoral.
@fububalla And by the way, you are factually wrong. It was not always the case that blacks had higher unemployment, further you cannot divorce "social" problems from economic ones because the two are linked. I would not suggest that the minimum wage is the only factor of course but it is a major factor (public schools, the drug war and labor unions being other major contributors) /watch?v=7DS0XXFdyfI and see economist Walter Williams talk about the effect of the minimum wage.
I'm guessing you don't have to work at those places because you have skills or education that allows you to get a better job. There are however people in this country that have criminal records, are very poorly educated, or for some other reason have great difficulty getting a job. Believe it or not there are probably a great deal of people in this category who would happily work for no wages for a short period of time if it would help them secure a job even at a place like walmart.
@limited1defined Good points about those with criminal records but I think that many people that don't have a record (as you say the poorly skilled, educated or just those doing side jobs) work under the table for what may be less than minimum wage.
The fact is today if your paying someone minimum wage its not like they could survive on it so I don't comprehend the argument for going lower. Do you not feel your dollar being dissolved?
@fububalla You are probably correct that it may not be possible to live below the minimum wage, in that case, the minimum wage means nothing, because no one would accept it, but if you are wrong, then the minimum wage is cutting out possibilities for people who could live off it and gain the experience they needed to move forward (example, kids who work and live with parents but need/want the job experience.)
@daobagua right, and like wise if the min wage was so high there would be a real push from the employers side and even workers side to decrease it. This isn't the reality though. For all pratical instances, it is not worthwhile to discuss removing the min wage (or increasing it) but other facets of economic policy to get the country working again.
@fububalla Well I think the push from the workers side is the exportation of your jobs to other countries. Or do you think they are going to come out in public and ask?
Having some money is always better than having no money. If a homeless person asked you for a dollar you wouldn't say "I'm not going to give you a dollar because its impossible to survive on one dollar I might as well give you nothing". Also the purpose of having a job is not just the money. There is also experience, developing work ethic and just generally having a sense of purpose in your life. When your not working it really is personally depressing to lot of people.
@limited1defined Well, true, I think only the short-sighted give the homeless money for those reason. One should give him food, shelter, or knowledge which supplies them both.
But talk about depressing? I suppose your right that there are benefits besides the money but it is nearly just as depressing to be told you aren't even worth minimum wage under the current economic conditions.
Mr. Helfeld! I can't believe I've never seen this video. What a wonderful question. I appreciate that you are asking her the question and that you make it clear that you won't back down. This is real journalism. Great stuff. Keep up the great work!
The problem with he argument is standard of living. As you raise minimum wage standard of living drops. Example gas station worker makes $4 an hour to stand there and collect money. That is what their value is to the company any monkey can do it. Government steps in and says they need $8 an hour. prices have to raise enough to cover that doubling of the monkeys job behind the counter. Standards raise when costs raise. Regulation raises costs by raising standard. Min. wage is another regulation.
While I strongly disagree with Nancy Pelosi, I think her conduct and etiquette was far better than Jan Helfield's. Although I think that the minimum wage is wrong, Speaker Pelosi answered his questions honestly. The argument for allowing both a minimum wage and free work, while contradictory, was presented with good faith and I feel he should have been more respectful.
@janhelfeld That is a good point... You're right, she was filibustering the interview. I don't like interrupting but in your case it was fine. She had a way of pressing on her opinion and repeating herself to make it look like she was being so sincere. I mean of course politicians don't do these interviews to debate public policy, yeah props to you for the interview. And thanks for the response as well.
@janhelfeld Not a fan of Pelosi's but you didn't give her the respect an interviewee is entitled to. You interrupted AND got nowhere. Better to have let her try to explain the salient difference between a Congressional office and a McDonald's. Let her explain why it is a "silly" comparison.
In a nutshell, why should the gov't allow wages by mutual consent in one case (e.g. Congress, churches, etc.) but not another? You missed an opportunity by arguing instead of interviewing.
@TreachMarkets yes and no, its on par with sending an email saying "emails don't work." A contradiction in form but not in terms. Either way she's dead wrong.
Good faith and intentions are not what decide soundness of the policy. I used to think that minimum wage was a good thing too, that it shelters helpless workers from greedy, tyrannical corporations. Till I came across a video explaining why it was not. My response to the video was nothing like hers, I pondered over it for a while, and finally accepted that there might be something to it. She should stop being so close-minded, get off her high horse and look closer at the argument.
The point is that why shouldn't someone be allowed to work below minimum wage if it's their CHOICE? It is every person's right to CHOOSE to work for whatever he/she wants & it is EVIL for govt or anyone else prevent him/her working for it. These minimum-wage laws create unemployment, having M-W doesn't force businesses to pay more, no, it forces them to not hire anyone who's labor isn't worth minimum-wage & thus, puts those people out of work & on taxpayers' dole
@lomocan everybody is worth a minimum ammount to feed themselves and get shelter, if u are willing to work u are worth enough to feed yourself and have shelter, even if Nancy P is wrong this interviewer is very unprofessional by intrupting her, journalism 101
Good for her. He doesn't seem to allow his guests to answer the questions posed to them anyway. You can't have an intelligent conversation with anyone if they refuse to hear what you are saying. This is silly. Government is considered a non-profit. The whole idea of having civil service means qualified people work in government and give of themselves and receive less compensation because the work they are doing is considered noble. Their payback is the recognition they receive later.
He's asking for specifics that are also under state laws. If I were Pelosi, I would have answered, "I'm not sure they're under laws and I'll have to check their labor laws specifically." And no, most states are not required to pay interns. Its a seperate contract, not a contract to work. Another reason why some interns are not allowed to do certain functions of a trade, only watch. Then if he kept asking questions I would just ask back what do you think? Turn the tables on hostile intervw.
You can do internships almost everywhere. You generally do not work there for a long period of hours a day. In fact its just training through lots of things. You sir are talking about a 8 hour "internship." And it is a silly example. You know why, because guess what, I did internships that last 2 hours at fast food joints. As I did at many businesses doing a program t school. NO PAY. You are talking about ridding min wage. You are being misleading and dishonest in thse vids.
Jan, I have to agree with her that this was silly. You seem to be very aware of your own philosophy, but totally unaware of history. There are very good historical reasons why we have a minimum wage. We need these protections now especially that unions have become so weak. Also, govt interns typically get college credit for their experience as interns. I don't think McDonald's employees do.
I'm "liberal" by the inane political standards of the day (actually an anarchist, thank you very much), and I think Nancy Pelosi is just as fucking stupid and moronic as John Boehner. This interview just proved it even more so. Fucking cunt.
@pureaggression no she was right in getting rid of this guy. He's not being honest in what he's questioning. He's trying to lead the questions, where you force people to agree on a maxim that doesn't work in reality as there are too many other varying things to consider. Such as internships-- some are short and require no pay. Others are long and require pay. Internships are not actual employment offers and therefore are not required to pay. And he keeps interupting her as she talks.
Nancy Pelosi saying the word education or educating, is beyond ironic. This bitch does not give a FUCK about anyone but her plastic surgeon. She is a rich bitch that has NO answers, and has NO clue about the law and their clauses. Funny how she says he made a mistake, I wonder why she had to call "Terry" to get the guard to solidify that the interview was over, and and wasn't HER interview. What a tranny fucking psycho. Wonder why she is not Speaker anymore. I mean, NO WONDER she is not.
Yes minimum wage works, let's set at a million dollars so we can all be rich, and let's also go and tell Bangladesh and other poor countries that all they have to do is set a minimum wage and establish unions and they can be rich like us (for the retarded liberals, that was sarcasm).
@beesleeper Yeah, so now that capitalists can't do shit without getting fucked in the ass by our government, the economy is doing just mighty fine isn't it you fucking uneducated dumb shit fucking liberal. Fuck you and die so you can pay that death tax you owe. You fucking idiot with no clue, fucking loser.
Capitalists are doing just fine. Profits have been skyrocketing for 30 years. The share of national income going to workers has declined and declined, regardless of productivity or increased work hours. (This means even more profit and value is being squeezed from workers.) So don't take your rather pathetic anger out on fellow workers--- ask your boss or owner for a raise. Join a union. (Chances are, being a servile republican, you'll just nod and obey submissively.) Stay poor
@beesleeper *Crony-capitalists are doing just fine and making record profits because of government favoritism. Union workers price out low skill laborers for the same job because of the min wage increase. Besides that, its factual Union leaders during the 50s and 60s pushed for min wage laws to price out low skilled (usually minority) workers. You want to show compassion and help the poor and underprivileged, research the effects not emotional appeals. /watch?v=ca8Z__o52sk&feature=related
I think this video needs a summation to make the point clearer: if it's ok to work for less than minimum wage within a congresswoman's office, why shouldn't it be ok to work for less than that at a private enterprise, if that's what you want? No one should be forced to work for free, but a mutual agreement should be determined by market forces. Non-profits too often pay 6 figure salaries for the ones at the top, and the bottom get nothing.
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Profits originate in the theft of labor value. Capitalism is ALREADY a kind of redistributionism --- it exploits workers, takes their extra labor value, and redistributes it to the owners. Where do you think RECORD LEVELS of profits come from ? Products do not make themselves. Products do not ADD VALUE to themselves.
You work most of the week for free. The remaining value you create accumulates in the bank accounts of the owning class.
So owners keep up the lie that wage increases cost jobs.
@beesleeper Is there a fundamental difference between a forceful redistribution of wealth and a redistribution of wealth that occurs based on mutual consent and for mutual perceived self interests?
@beesleeper what would those workers do without the innovators who create the work opportunities? Just take a look at an agrarian, undeveloped economy and look at the their lifespans, their health, their quality of life. A job creator is a person who reaches down into the soil and brings up an industry that improves people's lives: the customers and the workers. The workers, if they have the mind, can create their own jobs. If they haven't the mind, they are making a fair trade.
I am not a fan of Nancy Pelosi's politics, but nonetheless, the distinction between non-profit organizations, such as the Red Cross and government, and 'for-profit' organizations such as McDonald's is clear. Jan Helfeld is not very bright. Of course, not-for-profit organizations should not be held to the minimum wage.
@technowey You make no sense. Pelosi is a millionaire who flies home in a Gulfstream. If there's money for her to live like a queen, why shouldn't she pay her workers the minimum wage?
And I think you miss his point: if a worker is willing to work for less than minimum wage, why should that be illegal, when it IS legal to work for nothing at a non-profit?
@childrn1 - People who work for free don't need income from that work - otherwise, they wouldn't volunteer their time.
The minimum wage law intentionally only targets jobs where exploitation is possible. It doesn't apply to staffers. Nor, should someone's 'personal' fortune affect that law. If that doesn't seem fair, move to a communist country where there can be no incentives to become rich. It might not seem fair, but without those incentives, amazingly it's even more unfair.
@technowey Uh, no. " they wouldn't volunteer their time" might be true of you and people like you, but there are lots of volunteers that need income, and give away their time anyway. You're dead wrong about that.
As for the Pelosi issue: to you it's okay that she's a millionaire that takes labor from interns and campaign volunteers, when she can afford to pay them for their time? You're ok with her flying a jet with campaign workers close to broke? Really?
@wizmindfire - You misunderstand, I clearly meant, 'otherwise VOLUNTEERS wouldn't volunteer their time! - since volunteers are those who "work for free." Obviously I am correct since the statement is a tautology - volunteers DO work for free.
And you state a falsehood. Pelosi's interns are not 'close to broke'. For most senators, many interns are in college and it costs a lot to go to college today. Finally, yes, I am OK with millionaires not overpaying others.
This bitch should be working for minium wage or maybe a street corner in San Fran, no, the cunt would starve, she got a face only a mother could love.
Pelosi u are pathetic, you cant even handle questions about unpaid interns. Shit every1 does that, its not even unethical. She's so shady & evasive she forgets when something is ok to do, most ppl could have easily shut this idiot up like 'everyone has unpaid interns its not a bad thing & why the hell would a college student intern at McDonalds'
Matching wits w/ this idiot is too much for Pelosi so she reveals her tyrannical nature & demonstrates how she deals w/ unwanted questions GUARD!!!
People like u are so clueless. Pelosi & her kind are busy rapin our economy & funnelin as many tax $ her way as she can & she can get away w/ it mostly b/c she & her fellow Dems only have to shout a few lines that involve 'Republicans, the Rich, Tax Breaks' & bam everywhere people like u are focused on that instead of the real problem. I'm sure u think Repubs only lower taxes on the rich & the Dems save the day by raising them. All that is called Rhetoric or bullshit for short...
..now hear some str8 facts, you can look up tax code records for the last 6-7 presidents & regardless of what Dems have told you they'll show that all the yrs during Dem prez taxes were raised on ALL brackets poor-rich & the yrs of Repub prez taxes were lowered on ALL brackets poor-rich. Imagine that. Pretty sure that lower taxes means people have more $ which is good for the economy. And that word u love so much Tax Break as if it equated to armed robbery is more like tax...
..incentives that spur job growth, like if a rich guy wanted to hire a contractor & his crew to build him a new house & he could start the house that much sooner with the tax break & good thing too b/c that construction crew hasnt had a job in awhile but now they can feed their kids. Dont be part of the problem
@mikedd56 - Your an idiot pal! I worked at a research facility run by GOP patriots that brought over a ton of folks from India all on visas and working on "scholarships", They were all slaves working for free to get a diploma. The same goes for the folks working any position of this nature. You manipulate the story and back it up just to make it appear as a democrap or Republitard story. You moron are the problem and those like you who can't see through the game being played on you!
Well thats kind of a different story shipping people in from other countries, were they even interns. But still they werent really working for free if they got a scholarship its mad expensive going to college thats not a bad deal
I love how she goes into rhetoric mode and makes a populist appeal and then starts calling in the guards because she can't effing answer the question honestly.
If you're looking to make Pelosi look like some kid of hypocrite, this is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Internships are paid training courses for students, not jobs, and much of the time you don't end up working for the people you intern for. Intern is just another word for apprentice.
On this one I actually agree with Nancy Pelosi. People who want to serve their country and come and go in a public service position, church, or community organization, should not be deterred by the same laws that regulate private enterprises where the sole purpose of existence is to make a profit point blank.
These interviews are too short. Just as you start to expose their ignorance and stupidity, it ends. I want much longer interviews. Destroy their logic and do not stop until they wave the flag of surrender. You're winning here with sound arguments. Don't let the statists off the hook.
@COice If an employer paid so little that you had to work 10hr 7days a week and you still didnt make enough to live. How long would you work for them? Me, I wouldnt. And not too many people would, the company would not have enough people to meet the demands of the market and that company would either have to pay more or close. When you tell a company that they have to pay 100 people $7.50/hr ( $2,184,000/yr ) to take calls at a help center, do you know what that company does. They send those j
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@wetlazer Working at any position is a way to "get your foot in the door." To say that unpaid internships are any different than paying positions in this regard is incorrect. Many unskilled workers today are not worth hiring at minimum wage, so they go unemployed. Do you think that they would rather remain unemployed, or would they be willing to get their "foot in the door" at a wage below the minimum wage with the hopes of getting job experience, promotions, and a better standard of living?
Pelosi, like all congresscritters is equal parts sociopath and idiot / actor. The people who support her are equal parts conformist idiots, and corrupted patrons.
The reductio ad absurdum argumentation method works pretty well with this issue. If the minimum wage can bring the poor out of poverty, why not have it set a 200$/hour? Tell me why not. Then I can call you a greedy corporate shill because that is much easier than thinking. ;)
The Minimum Wage (MW) is crap simply because it is only an artificial inflation of the true value of something. Within 1 yr, if that person is still working a MW job, that increase will mean nothing because the price of everything increased due to the up in MW. The people who get screwed though are those people (who are at a slightly higher skill set) who make just above MW. They didn't get a raise but the inflationary forces hit them harder than anyone else. The MW is a pile of crap.
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never thought I'd say it but I actually agree with Pelosi on this one. you do unpaid internships to get a foot in the door into a field you want to do that will give much bigger returns in the long hall (kinda like paying to go to college). if some one wanted to work for Mcdonalds for free for a month then they are stupid, and the company is taking advantage of them, there is no long term return like when u graduate from college.
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@janhelfeld I'm not sure where you are getting that I think I know better than other ppl i mean come on my comment was kinda common knowledge for you to say I need to defend it is as absurd as saying I need to defend my opinion on sending a murderer to prison, there is such things as common knowledge; the sky is blue, there is gravity, you don't need to intern to work at McDonald's.
@hobsdigree2 Why will you not answer my question? The issue is should each adult be free to decide how much he is willing to work for including working for free. You want to impose your judgement through the government even though the McDonald intern is not violating anybody's rights like the murder you cite. If you can not tell the difference between a conceptual political judgement i.e., minimum wage, on the one hand, and a perceptual concrete like the sky is blue, then I CAN'T help you.
@janhelfeld No, I don't believe we should tell anyone how much they should work for cause your right some one would probably work for free for a month just to start making 7.50 per hour, and yes that should be their choice, but the problem with that is, if u or me saw it we would know McDonald's is taking advantage of them, we are not telling the employee to work for an amount, we are telling the business/employer (McDonald's) to pay them more.
@janhelfeld The difference is: The bulk of people who work at McDonald's work there for their living. Interns, on the other hand, do not intern for their living. They are doing the internship as a temporary educational experience that will assist their career pursuits, and are often not even to be employed by that same interning company. The whole reason why the government sets a minimum wage is in order help establish a minimum standard of living for those working for a living.
@COice (...continued) Without a minimum wage, you can have the scenario where: a person works 10 hours in a day for 7 days a week, yet still cannot or can barely earn enough to support a feeble living. The government institutes minimum wage in order to mandate that corporations supply enough funds for a minimum for their workers. As aforementioned, internships do not have purpose of providing a person's living. You cannot talk about the two as if they are the same.
@janhelfeld It really depends on what the person is trying to accomplish. If it is an educational internship, I have actually done this with several business including fast foods. You are not actually hired. It's like a customer getting a tour of the joint almost, but gets to make a sandwich, and take an order. You are there for as little as 2 hours a day sometimes 5 hours. And you make your own schedule. What this sly bastard did on this video was confuse the situation.
@hobsdigree2 The force of gravity is a natural phenomena where physical bodies attract with a force proportional to their mass. Just like how the laws of gravity aid us in calculating velocity of objects in free fall, the laws of supply and demand aid producers and consumers in determining what prices they are willing to sell and what prices someone is willing to buy. This bring about economic harmony, or a proper allocation of resources which best reflects a society's value system.
@hobsdigree2 A legislature fixing a price for any one good (labor in the case of minimum wage since a wage is the PRICE of labor) in disregard of the economic harmonious price determined through laws of supply and demand, would be akin to a legislature fixing the velocity of an object in free fall with no regard to the proper value of gravity acting upon said physical object.
@janhelfeld Because labor falls prey to supply and demand like all things that cost money. If there is a high number of workers willing to work for lower wages. It negatively affects my ability to ask for higher wages. Internships are short-term. Where as being a cook for Mcdonalds has no expiration date. If these idiots didn't affect my life, I wouldn't care, but they do.
@hobsdigree2 It's hypocrisy. Simply because you think it's stupid to offer services to McDonalds free of charge does not negate the freedom of the matter. She is selectively choosing which enterprises can utilize voluntary participation without wages, and which cannot. Your opinion on the place of employment is irrelevant. It's up to the freedom of the individual.
No long term return? That's nuts. Every job is what you make of it. If you have ZERO experience in the workplace and spent 1 month at McDonald's as an intern, that experience will payoff in your next job, which gets the snowball rolling to a future of making money.
@hobsdigree2 The kind of remark you made is schmuck, snobbish and is devoid of any reasoning. Any job is a job and the worker deserves to be paid. Just because Pelosi is a congresswoman does not mean her knowledge can be traded for food or rent. One can learn anywhere, even in McD's kitchen. In case you do not know several of rather senior executives of McD were burger makers in their initial days. Exploitation needs to be stopped, be it in the corporate or be it in the Governmental setting.
@hobsdigree2 Do you know what political interns do? They mail out fundraising letters and make telemarketing fundraising calls. They are tied DIRECTLY to revenue. The question here is "work" and its value. If you flip a burger -- that is work, correct? If you raise $500 for a politician, this isn't work? There isn't a "value" to your efforts?
Nancy - like every ranking Democrat - is a slave-master. She views herself as SUPREME. People "want" to help her - for free. Doublespeak.
@BBCater Here's the REAL "kicker". Say you volunteer to help an elected official - for FREE. There isn't any employment record - remember, you weren't being paid. Now let's say that elected official does something you disagree with, and you question them on it. They NOW have the power to DENY you a letter of recommendation - which was the ONLY paycheck you could have hoped for. You could have an "invisible" internship - decided by politics. You could have raised thousands, and it never happened.
SHE REALLY EMBARASSED THE GOOD PEOPLE OF AMERICA, BECAUSE OTHER COUTRIES LOOKED UP AMERICAN AS WISE AND INTELLEGENT BUT SHE WAS SHOWING THE DUMBBBBBB..... OMG....
Wow People. It's called strawman, Nancy's an idiot alright... because of her inability to point out the obvious differences between a student interning as a part of their education and someone working for less than cost of living to wash dishes. In the former the person is privy to an exclusive hands on education that is in line with their ideal job where they are often more trouble than they are worth. In the latter, slave labor for a job anybody can walk on and do.
@jimmyj37: The cost of living is a fabricated entity dependant on the people's money and standards of living. Jobs that pay less are better than no jobs at all, and low-income communities will see decreased costs of living because businesses can't profit if they aren't either A) paying people more to buy more expensive goods, or B) paying people less to buy less expensive goods.
No jobs means state-living, means no contributions to communities, means no motivation. =\
@Death2Evil True COL is really Quality of Life. That is what we all want. If my choice is to take whatever job I can and it doesn't afford me the QOL that I want. I will resort to just taking what I want. YOU don't own anything, you only defend what you possess. The gov protects your assets from people stealing it from you. If you have everything and you don't value my life/labor to allow me more than to survive another day... I will take it. I got guns but I prefer to vote.
@jimmyj37: I don't think you understand. Voting for increases in the minimum wage don't actually increase the quality of life for the poor. They temporarily boost the real value of low-end labor, while also making low-end work MUCH, MUCH more difficult to aquire.
And taking what you cannot have by right will just land you in jail or prison, meaning greater costs to the taxpayers who support jails and prisons...
@Death2Evil I don't think you understand. I never said to raise MW. In fact I believe we leave MW exactly where it is and we stop printing more money creating a standard and stabilizing the value of money. I'm well aware of the games the powers that be play with artificial inflation by printing more money (a way to make MW insignificant and steal YOUR SAVINGS all at the same time). In the last 10 yrs US economy increased but average wages fell. MW is not the problem hurting the economy.
@jimmyj37: If minimum wage doesn't hurt the economy, then why is it that we STILL have waves of illegal immigrants filling the the majority of low-end labor needs? Because illegal immigrants can work for less...
I agree. Inflation is terrible. I never said minimum wage was the only thing hurting our economy. Eliminating it would most certainly be helpful, though - as it allows more people to get by with a lower wage rather than fewer people to get buy with a few more luxuries.
@Death2Evil Immigrants come to America to get paid HIGHER WAGES than in their own country. Employers hire them to increase profit. AGAIN US economy GREW in the last ten years but avg wages decreased! It's not that employers can't afford to pay more they just prefer to make higher profits. Also, what is the difference between an immigrant working for less than MW and an American working MW? Both are illegal so the law doesn't prevent people from working for less IF they want to.
@jimmyj37: No shit, Sherlock? Of course they come here to earn more than what's available in their home countries. Even if more than what's available in their home countries is less than minimum wage, they still manage to make a "living wage."
The difference between an American and an illegal working for less than minimum wage is that American's get the hammer if caught, while illegals are hard to catch and just get deported (only to come right back) when caught. Our laws hurt our people most.
@Death2Evil You don't know law. The worker doesn't get hammered, the employer gets penalized for the illegal American or Mexican labor. Your argument is that American QOL is too high so we can't compete with Chinese/Mexican whose QOL is horrible. So you want us to lower our QOL so we can compete. Again the economy grew and wages fell. It's not that business can't afford to pay, they just don't want to. MW also isn't enough for a person to pay a household bills, So what luxury do they have?
@jimmyj37: And neither do you, apparently. Businesses can afford to pay the penalties IF they get caught. Individuals can't afford to be caught on fraud and tax-evasion. Thus do illegals risk being temporarily relocated, while Americans risk their livelihoods.
My argument is that 99% of employers are SMALL businesses, which CAN'T afford the extra costs, and over 30% of those affected by minimum wage live with their parents.
Budgeting, boy. Budgeting. Minimum wage is more than enough.
@Death2Evil People murder in places where capital punishment is legal. Name one case where someone worked for less than MW and was thrown in prison for tax evasion. They make you pay applicable taxes to wages earned. My friend recently got "busted" for not paying taxes. He is paying what he owes plus normal late penalties. So you want more people living with parents and budgeting... Sounds like lowering QOL when there is plenty for all. You want to elevate by holding others down.
@jimmyj37: Your point being...? Murder is fueled by anger, hatred, and revenge. The only motivation for fraud and tax evasion for legal workers' is earning an untaxed $5.00 instead of a taxed $7.25. Citizens aren't willing to take great risks for no immediate reward.
The fact of the matter is that 30% of minimum wage earners DO live with their parents. They have no real expenses, so can afford to earn less so that others can earn, period. Again, you FAIL. I want to elevate the unemployed.
@Death2Evil People have gone to prison for selling Marijuana for twenty years with money/supporting themselves being the motivation. People still sell drugs. I want you to keep printing 30% of MW workers live with their parents. Such an awesome stat in your favor, I'm sure struggling adults everywhere will be lining up for LESS than current MW. You don't have a good product or business strategy, so you want to compensate through cheap labor. I can collect cans for more than MW!
@jimmyj37: How many times will you fail to draw a relevant comparison? A drug dealer is an entrepreneur, motivated by capitalism, supply/demand, and potentially large profits. An under-the-table worker is motivated only by the prospect of earning an untaxed $5.00/hour instead of a taxed $7.25/hour. To the individual, there is no individual reward justify the individual risk.
No, they won't. Because I don't employ anyone, and because people like you prefer higher unemployment rates. ^.^
@Death2Evil My argument was that punishments don't prevent people from breaking laws. You said Murder isn't relevant. For my argument it was. For this specific topic it wasn't. Selling drugs is a form of labor that someone performs to support their self despite very hefty punishment. The most relevant a comparison can be. When you make comparisons to other things there will always be a difference, otherwise it wouldn't be a comparison. Both arguments support my first statement.
@jimmyj37: And your argument failed because punishments DO prevent people from breaking the law when there is no reward to justify the risk. The reward for murder is most-often emotional or psychological. The reward for dealing is entrepreneurial.
The reward for working under the table is doing your small part (1/310,896,000) to support a better economy. This is called marginal benefit, and is why most people do not vote.
The difference in your comparisons (motivation) is paramount.
@Death2Evil Ha ha ha! You just created a paradox for yourself. First you say there is NO reward to justify the task then you go to say the reward is doing your part. So if the first is true the second is false. If the second is true then the first is false. I'm glad you are so insistent I fail at the same time as making an obvious contradiction. My argument was punishments doesn't = no crime. Now you want to talk about motivation. No reward, no motivation, no job. You bore me now.
@jimmyj37: Have you trouble reading? First I said no immediate reward. Then, I said no individual reward. And now, I am specifying as to exactly what the reward is...which is neither immediate, nor individual. The statements do not conflict, and, thus, do not form a paradox. Your FAILure to recognize adjectives makes for a RATHER PATHETIC straw man.
Yet punishments DO = no crime WHEN applied to crimes of marginal benifit (violations of minimum wage). You FAIL, sir. ^.^
interns get paid?
Radjhitoocool 3 weeks ago
Pelosi = Italian , Italy is in high debt and bad shape, coincidence?
TWSceptic 4 weeks ago
can anyone still believe that people in 2011 make a couple more dollars that 5.25 per hour? did you know that Australia has a minimum wage of over 15 bucks per hour? how dumb has our country become?
DebisisRobustus 1 month ago
@DebisisRobustus and they still think the minimum wage in America is to high, these people will never learn
hellfirewrestling98 3 weeks ago
nancy is like billary, they just babel on and on wasting time, they can talk for hours and hours and not say a damn thing, you have to limit them to 10 second answers.....
glinnz05 1 month ago
McDonalds LMAO....
gold95 2 months ago
if goverment cannot get between to adults having an agreement between both of them I can only assume the interviewer is ok with gay marriage than
hellfirewrestling98 2 months ago
Jan goes hard as shit in the paint.
NicPap12 2 months ago
She not only lies but is under investigation for insider trading! Martha Stewart went to jail for the same shit!
pettyofficer30 2 months ago
"Terry, will you call the guard?"
"You're gonna call the guard on us?"
"No, I'm just telling you, this interview is over."
LOL. Princess Nancy indeed.
mikeisildur 2 months ago
Whore
imgone54321 2 months ago
Excellent video!!!!!!! Jan took Nancy to the woodshed on tihs
I think the title should be changed to "Nancy Pelosi gets owned"
rudemood2011 2 months ago 2
@rudemood2011 Thanks! Tell your friends.
janhelfeld 2 months ago
@mrgeestacksalot THANKS!
janhelfeld 2 months ago
Awesome. Second time in as many days that I have seen a video on youtube where someone was getting logically outmaneuvered and suddenly had to escape. Way to threaten to forcibly remove an interviewer too, Pelosi is a real class act.
RonDukeSilverSwanson 2 months ago
Minimum wage isn't the problem....The problem is runaway inflation resulting from the devaluing of our currency due to excessive govt spending and an fed's overactive printing press. An increase in the minimum wage is band-aid to a gushing wound. It doesn't fix the problem - it helps temporarily hide and further exacerbate it. If the dollar wasn't so devalued we wouldn't have to raise the minimum wage in the first place because it would have more buying power than it does now.
LavaIslandKing 2 months ago
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LavaIslandKing 2 months ago
Nancy Pelosi is a piece of shit.
brad238899 2 months ago
This guy should've wrecked her so much harder.
Jbrouhaha 2 months ago
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Thank you Jan, for asking the questions the "mainstream" media will never ask.
logalogalog 2 months ago
lol pelosi is obviously economically illiterate & here is another example of her stupidity
swu880 2 months ago
I'm thinking about killing Jand helfield, and I'm thinking can i do it myself or do i have to hire a hitman...its legal to say this now u know
hellfirewrestling98 3 months ago
@hellfirewrestling98 just remember to change helfields name to Obama in the statement i just made and u have an exact quote from glen beck
hellfirewrestling98 3 months ago
The interviewer is a joke. I'm all for grilling politicians like Pelosi but who the F is volunteering at walmart, pancake houses, and lawn service companies which are private enterprises which operate PURELY for profit?
Find a better line of argument please!
fububalla 3 months ago in playlist Who Do They Think They Are?
@fububalla Do you think that Radio, TV and Film facilities don't operate for "pure profit"? Yet people are willing to intern for them without pay. The point is that if an employee is willing to work for less than minimum wage, for whatever the reason, what business is it of the government? Minimum wage laws increase unemployment and they hurt the people they are designed to help; young and unskilled labor. So why have a minimum wage at all?
kev3d 2 months ago
@kev3d The Media you mention are a special case because its a celebrity field. You have the same thing w/ high school/college kids playing for nothing cause they know the potential payout is big. It has nothing to do w/ min wage.
Read/look at history before min wage laws and ask your self what kind of country would we be without without such pro-worker legislation in our history.
Also, see my various other comments please because I've grown fatigued of repeating the same points.
fububalla 2 months ago
@fububalla Celebrity field? Who cares? There are lots of fields in which people are willing to work in order to gain experience. As for the minimum wage in history, the federal minimum wage was not firmly established until 1938. So the various booms in history before 1938 happened without a minimum wage. Singapore effectively has no minimum wage and it has lower unemployment than most countries as well. Again, what business is it of government if employer and employee come to an agreement?
kev3d 2 months ago
@kev3d As much as you don't like it, it is government's business. If you and your employee come to an agreement to put an addictive substance in your restaurant's food supply chain in exchange for your quiteness and a higher wage, is that the government's business? Look, I know its a hard line to draw but it is for the sake of economic stability. Min wage aint the prob, its bigger than that hoss.
fububalla 2 months ago
@fububalla Thats ridiculous. Do you think minimum wage prevents bribery? Adding certain things to the food supply is between the consumer and the seller anyway and is only an issue for the government when either side of the seller/consumer contract is violated; the seller takes without paying or the seller sells something other than what was promised. Economic stability? Minimum wages INCREASES unemployment, particularly for the young and unskilled. Hence the high black unemployment rate.
kev3d 2 months ago
@kev3d I hope you know what's in your cheeseburger then.
I never said m wage prevents bribery, thats a strawman.
The black unemployment rate has always been high regardless of minimum wage so where is your correlation? The severity of the black unemployment rate is almost purely a social problem, not an economic one.
You guys are so one dimensional.
fububalla 2 months ago
@fububalla You're confusing the problems. Black americans are more likely to be unskilled, thats a social problem. The fact that unskilled labor is not worth the minimum wage is an economic one. If an activity, like digging holes, is only worth 2-3 an hour why would any business pay a person to do it for more than twice that wage? Thats why there are so many illegal immigrants, they'll do the work for the rate the work is worth.
Wilsontheterrible 2 months ago
@fububalla Why did you suggest that it is the government's business to regulate pay; equating it to "you and your employee come to an agreement to put an addictive substance in your restaurant's food supply chain in exchange for your quiteness and a higher wage, is that the government's business?" You are linking two unrelated things; bribery in an attempt to defraud the public, versus a private contract between two people in which no fraud is being conducted.
kev3d 2 months ago
@kev3d Is bribery a public contract? No, its a public one, that the government has the business of prevent. Likewise, the government sets a minimum standard of wage payment for corporations so as to prevent the same corrupt vein. If you can't see the link then you don't understand responsibilities of government and law for the public good.
fububalla 2 months ago
@fububalla First of all, bribery isn't wrong per se unless it contravenes some other law or contract. But even if we assume bribery is wrong and illegal then that it is because someone, somewhere (probably a third party) is being harmed. But with a voluntary contract between two people, employer and employee, by definition, there is no 3rd party, no involuntary action and no one is harmed, ergo, it is not the government's business.
kev3d 2 months ago
@fububalla "the government sets a minimum standard of wage payment for corporations so as to prevent the same corrupt vein. " How is two people coming to mutually agreeable terms "corrupt"?
Laws are meant to protect rights; life, liberty and property and very little else. That is the extent of the "public good", and such protection is essentially passive. But a proactive approach (you MUST do X, even if there is no victim) is much different and immoral.
kev3d 2 months ago
@fububalla And by the way, you are factually wrong. It was not always the case that blacks had higher unemployment, further you cannot divorce "social" problems from economic ones because the two are linked. I would not suggest that the minimum wage is the only factor of course but it is a major factor (public schools, the drug war and labor unions being other major contributors) /watch?v=7DS0XXFdyfI and see economist Walter Williams talk about the effect of the minimum wage.
kev3d 2 months ago
@fububalla
I'm guessing you don't have to work at those places because you have skills or education that allows you to get a better job. There are however people in this country that have criminal records, are very poorly educated, or for some other reason have great difficulty getting a job. Believe it or not there are probably a great deal of people in this category who would happily work for no wages for a short period of time if it would help them secure a job even at a place like walmart.
limited1defined 2 months ago
@limited1defined Good points about those with criminal records but I think that many people that don't have a record (as you say the poorly skilled, educated or just those doing side jobs) work under the table for what may be less than minimum wage.
The fact is today if your paying someone minimum wage its not like they could survive on it so I don't comprehend the argument for going lower. Do you not feel your dollar being dissolved?
fububalla 2 months ago
@fububalla You are probably correct that it may not be possible to live below the minimum wage, in that case, the minimum wage means nothing, because no one would accept it, but if you are wrong, then the minimum wage is cutting out possibilities for people who could live off it and gain the experience they needed to move forward (example, kids who work and live with parents but need/want the job experience.)
daobagua 2 months ago
@daobagua right, and like wise if the min wage was so high there would be a real push from the employers side and even workers side to decrease it. This isn't the reality though. For all pratical instances, it is not worthwhile to discuss removing the min wage (or increasing it) but other facets of economic policy to get the country working again.
fububalla 2 months ago
@fububalla Well I think the push from the workers side is the exportation of your jobs to other countries. Or do you think they are going to come out in public and ask?
daobagua 2 months ago
@fububalla
Having some money is always better than having no money. If a homeless person asked you for a dollar you wouldn't say "I'm not going to give you a dollar because its impossible to survive on one dollar I might as well give you nothing". Also the purpose of having a job is not just the money. There is also experience, developing work ethic and just generally having a sense of purpose in your life. When your not working it really is personally depressing to lot of people.
limited1defined 2 months ago
@limited1defined Well, true, I think only the short-sighted give the homeless money for those reason. One should give him food, shelter, or knowledge which supplies them both.
But talk about depressing? I suppose your right that there are benefits besides the money but it is nearly just as depressing to be told you aren't even worth minimum wage under the current economic conditions.
fububalla 2 months ago
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wow women are sooooo honest lol
viva feminism! lol
imscaredofcoffee 3 months ago
Not that I like the lady, but college credit earning interns hardly ever get paid.
Try interning at a radio station and tell me how much they pay you.
Tip: It's 0
Interning is legal slave labor.
d3caimt0r 3 months ago
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d3caimt0r 3 months ago
Mr. Helfeld! I can't believe I've never seen this video. What a wonderful question. I appreciate that you are asking her the question and that you make it clear that you won't back down. This is real journalism. Great stuff. Keep up the great work!
jdb457 3 months ago
@jdb457 thanks!
janhelfeld 2 months ago
He actually rattled Nancy! He should be sitting as a white house reporter.
Finally someone has the guts to ask her to explain herself.
Call security, she doesn't like being questioned.
MrTolentine 3 months ago
what a terrible interviewer, interrupting consistently.
DHDeray 4 months ago
The problem with he argument is standard of living. As you raise minimum wage standard of living drops. Example gas station worker makes $4 an hour to stand there and collect money. That is what their value is to the company any monkey can do it. Government steps in and says they need $8 an hour. prices have to raise enough to cover that doubling of the monkeys job behind the counter. Standards raise when costs raise. Regulation raises costs by raising standard. Min. wage is another regulation.
AllKnowingCreator 5 months ago
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@AllKnowingCreator
amen.
videomakerman1232 4 months ago
While I strongly disagree with Nancy Pelosi, I think her conduct and etiquette was far better than Jan Helfield's. Although I think that the minimum wage is wrong, Speaker Pelosi answered his questions honestly. The argument for allowing both a minimum wage and free work, while contradictory, was presented with good faith and I feel he should have been more respectful.
Skyler827 5 months ago
@Skyler827 she was filibustering the interview, I had to interrupt or we would get nowhere.
janhelfeld 5 months ago 9
@janhelfeld That is a good point... You're right, she was filibustering the interview. I don't like interrupting but in your case it was fine. She had a way of pressing on her opinion and repeating herself to make it look like she was being so sincere. I mean of course politicians don't do these interviews to debate public policy, yeah props to you for the interview. And thanks for the response as well.
Skyler827 5 months ago
@janhelfeld Not a fan of Pelosi's but you didn't give her the respect an interviewee is entitled to. You interrupted AND got nowhere. Better to have let her try to explain the salient difference between a Congressional office and a McDonald's. Let her explain why it is a "silly" comparison.
In a nutshell, why should the gov't allow wages by mutual consent in one case (e.g. Congress, churches, etc.) but not another? You missed an opportunity by arguing instead of interviewing.
danL1011 2 months ago
@Skyler827 What about the fact that she's a hypocrite? That undermines her argument.
TreachMarkets 4 months ago
@TreachMarkets yes and no, its on par with sending an email saying "emails don't work." A contradiction in form but not in terms. Either way she's dead wrong.
Skyler827 4 months ago
@Skyler827
Good faith and intentions are not what decide soundness of the policy. I used to think that minimum wage was a good thing too, that it shelters helpless workers from greedy, tyrannical corporations. Till I came across a video explaining why it was not. My response to the video was nothing like hers, I pondered over it for a while, and finally accepted that there might be something to it. She should stop being so close-minded, get off her high horse and look closer at the argument.
DraughtOfPeace 2 months ago
she is a
pfutZ
bryans42 5 months ago
This guy is a tool.
lancefiasco 5 months ago
@lancefiasco That is the former Speaker of the House, sir. Show her some respect.
badgenome 5 months ago
how the HELLLL is she still in the House??!?!
KA3AXCTAH2030 6 months ago
Pelosi was acutely exposed by Mr.Helfeld.
edgardusXII 6 months ago
@edgardusXII except for his constant interrupting guess fox could hire him makes u look low brow
hellfirewrestling98 5 months ago
I'm from Australia and not entirely familiar with the U.S. democratic system, but how/why does Nancy keep her job??
AussieAustrianBlog 6 months ago
@AussieAustrianBlog Because American President after American President has neglected to nuke San Francisco off the map.
badgenome 5 months ago
The point is that why shouldn't someone be allowed to work below minimum wage if it's their CHOICE? It is every person's right to CHOOSE to work for whatever he/she wants & it is EVIL for govt or anyone else prevent him/her working for it. These minimum-wage laws create unemployment, having M-W doesn't force businesses to pay more, no, it forces them to not hire anyone who's labor isn't worth minimum-wage & thus, puts those people out of work & on taxpayers' dole
lomocan 6 months ago
@lomocan everybody is worth a minimum ammount to feed themselves and get shelter, if u are willing to work u are worth enough to feed yourself and have shelter, even if Nancy P is wrong this interviewer is very unprofessional by intrupting her, journalism 101
hellfirewrestling98 6 months ago
Kudos for investigating intern hell.
sternumagnum 6 months ago
Good for her. He doesn't seem to allow his guests to answer the questions posed to them anyway. You can't have an intelligent conversation with anyone if they refuse to hear what you are saying. This is silly. Government is considered a non-profit. The whole idea of having civil service means qualified people work in government and give of themselves and receive less compensation because the work they are doing is considered noble. Their payback is the recognition they receive later.
maotsetung96 6 months ago
y interupt her as she talks?
hellfirewrestling98 6 months ago
OMG Pelosi was NAILED HERE!
Cudos to this interviewer!
calimar28 6 months ago 4
He's asking for specifics that are also under state laws. If I were Pelosi, I would have answered, "I'm not sure they're under laws and I'll have to check their labor laws specifically." And no, most states are not required to pay interns. Its a seperate contract, not a contract to work. Another reason why some interns are not allowed to do certain functions of a trade, only watch. Then if he kept asking questions I would just ask back what do you think? Turn the tables on hostile intervw.
jmitterii2 6 months ago
You can do internships almost everywhere. You generally do not work there for a long period of hours a day. In fact its just training through lots of things. You sir are talking about a 8 hour "internship." And it is a silly example. You know why, because guess what, I did internships that last 2 hours at fast food joints. As I did at many businesses doing a program t school. NO PAY. You are talking about ridding min wage. You are being misleading and dishonest in thse vids.
jmitterii2 6 months ago
Jan, I have to agree with her that this was silly. You seem to be very aware of your own philosophy, but totally unaware of history. There are very good historical reasons why we have a minimum wage. We need these protections now especially that unions have become so weak. Also, govt interns typically get college credit for their experience as interns. I don't think McDonald's employees do.
ParanormalWitness 6 months ago
I'm "liberal" by the inane political standards of the day (actually an anarchist, thank you very much), and I think Nancy Pelosi is just as fucking stupid and moronic as John Boehner. This interview just proved it even more so. Fucking cunt.
fhgwdads05 6 months ago
logic scares these people.
ctminarchist 6 months ago
What a psycho bitch..
pureaggression 6 months ago
@pureaggression no she was right in getting rid of this guy. He's not being honest in what he's questioning. He's trying to lead the questions, where you force people to agree on a maxim that doesn't work in reality as there are too many other varying things to consider. Such as internships-- some are short and require no pay. Others are long and require pay. Internships are not actual employment offers and therefore are not required to pay. And he keeps interupting her as she talks.
jmitterii2 6 months ago
Americans will achieve freedom from capitalism.
beesleeper 7 months ago
Nancy Pelosi saying the word education or educating, is beyond ironic. This bitch does not give a FUCK about anyone but her plastic surgeon. She is a rich bitch that has NO answers, and has NO clue about the law and their clauses. Funny how she says he made a mistake, I wonder why she had to call "Terry" to get the guard to solidify that the interview was over, and and wasn't HER interview. What a tranny fucking psycho. Wonder why she is not Speaker anymore. I mean, NO WONDER she is not.
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whotaughtyou 7 months ago
Yes minimum wage works, let's set at a million dollars so we can all be rich, and let's also go and tell Bangladesh and other poor countries that all they have to do is set a minimum wage and establish unions and they can be rich like us (for the retarded liberals, that was sarcasm).
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whotaughtyou 7 months ago
Is it just me or does she try to dodge EVERY SINGLE QUESTION?
mmwildcats37 7 months ago 5
Capitalist apologist dumbshits like wizmindfire sure like to make a lot of assumptions
beesleeper 8 months ago
@beesleeper Yeah, so now that capitalists can't do shit without getting fucked in the ass by our government, the economy is doing just mighty fine isn't it you fucking uneducated dumb shit fucking liberal. Fuck you and die so you can pay that death tax you owe. You fucking idiot with no clue, fucking loser.
Libsdontcareee 7 months ago
@Libsdontcareee
Capitalists are doing just fine. Profits have been skyrocketing for 30 years. The share of national income going to workers has declined and declined, regardless of productivity or increased work hours. (This means even more profit and value is being squeezed from workers.) So don't take your rather pathetic anger out on fellow workers--- ask your boss or owner for a raise. Join a union. (Chances are, being a servile republican, you'll just nod and obey submissively.) Stay poor
beesleeper 7 months ago
@beesleeper *Crony-capitalists are doing just fine and making record profits because of government favoritism. Union workers price out low skill laborers for the same job because of the min wage increase. Besides that, its factual Union leaders during the 50s and 60s pushed for min wage laws to price out low skilled (usually minority) workers. You want to show compassion and help the poor and underprivileged, research the effects not emotional appeals. /watch?v=ca8Z__o52sk&feature=related
pbfrank13 6 months ago
I think this video needs a summation to make the point clearer: if it's ok to work for less than minimum wage within a congresswoman's office, why shouldn't it be ok to work for less than that at a private enterprise, if that's what you want? No one should be forced to work for free, but a mutual agreement should be determined by market forces. Non-profits too often pay 6 figure salaries for the ones at the top, and the bottom get nothing.
childrn1 8 months ago 23
@childrn1 good summation
janhelfeld 8 months ago 3
@janhelfeld Good on you for responding to youtube comments! Many don't take the time. Assuming you're the real Jan Helfeld :-)
dmg46664 2 months ago
Oh liberals. When will you make sense?
mattman624 8 months ago
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Profits originate in the theft of labor value. Capitalism is ALREADY a kind of redistributionism --- it exploits workers, takes their extra labor value, and redistributes it to the owners. Where do you think RECORD LEVELS of profits come from ? Products do not make themselves. Products do not ADD VALUE to themselves.
You work most of the week for free. The remaining value you create accumulates in the bank accounts of the owning class.
So owners keep up the lie that wage increases cost jobs.
beesleeper 8 months ago
@beesleeper Is there a fundamental difference between a forceful redistribution of wealth and a redistribution of wealth that occurs based on mutual consent and for mutual perceived self interests?
janhelfeld 8 months ago 13
@beesleeper what would those workers do without the innovators who create the work opportunities? Just take a look at an agrarian, undeveloped economy and look at the their lifespans, their health, their quality of life. A job creator is a person who reaches down into the soil and brings up an industry that improves people's lives: the customers and the workers. The workers, if they have the mind, can create their own jobs. If they haven't the mind, they are making a fair trade.
childrn1 8 months ago
@beesleeper So all the workers in all the corporations are victims? Job creation = exploitation?
one thing I'm sure of, you've never created a job in your life and you never will.
wizmindfire 8 months ago
@beesleeper The exploited workers can't leave an exploitive employer and go to work for a less exploitive one? That sounds like communism.
shnarshnarshnarbaba 6 months ago
I am not a fan of Nancy Pelosi's politics, but nonetheless, the distinction between non-profit organizations, such as the Red Cross and government, and 'for-profit' organizations such as McDonald's is clear. Jan Helfeld is not very bright. Of course, not-for-profit organizations should not be held to the minimum wage.
technowey 8 months ago
@technowey You make no sense. Pelosi is a millionaire who flies home in a Gulfstream. If there's money for her to live like a queen, why shouldn't she pay her workers the minimum wage?
And I think you miss his point: if a worker is willing to work for less than minimum wage, why should that be illegal, when it IS legal to work for nothing at a non-profit?
childrn1 8 months ago
@childrn1 - People who work for free don't need income from that work - otherwise, they wouldn't volunteer their time.
The minimum wage law intentionally only targets jobs where exploitation is possible. It doesn't apply to staffers. Nor, should someone's 'personal' fortune affect that law. If that doesn't seem fair, move to a communist country where there can be no incentives to become rich. It might not seem fair, but without those incentives, amazingly it's even more unfair.
technowey 8 months ago
@technowey Uh, no. " they wouldn't volunteer their time" might be true of you and people like you, but there are lots of volunteers that need income, and give away their time anyway. You're dead wrong about that.
As for the Pelosi issue: to you it's okay that she's a millionaire that takes labor from interns and campaign volunteers, when she can afford to pay them for their time? You're ok with her flying a jet with campaign workers close to broke? Really?
wizmindfire 8 months ago
@wizmindfire - You misunderstand, I clearly meant, 'otherwise VOLUNTEERS wouldn't volunteer their time! - since volunteers are those who "work for free." Obviously I am correct since the statement is a tautology - volunteers DO work for free.
And you state a falsehood. Pelosi's interns are not 'close to broke'. For most senators, many interns are in college and it costs a lot to go to college today. Finally, yes, I am OK with millionaires not overpaying others.
technowey 8 months ago
This bitch should be working for minium wage or maybe a street corner in San Fran, no, the cunt would starve, she got a face only a mother could love.
pieword 8 months ago
Pelosi u are pathetic, you cant even handle questions about unpaid interns. Shit every1 does that, its not even unethical. She's so shady & evasive she forgets when something is ok to do, most ppl could have easily shut this idiot up like 'everyone has unpaid interns its not a bad thing & why the hell would a college student intern at McDonalds'
Matching wits w/ this idiot is too much for Pelosi so she reveals her tyrannical nature & demonstrates how she deals w/ unwanted questions GUARD!!!
mikedd56 8 months ago
Tax breaks for Yacht owners? Check it out!
tax-breaks-for-yachts-come-under-fire/
They have been getting huge breaks for years now!
Spread it around!
mistermassive1 8 months ago
@mistermassive1
People like u are so clueless. Pelosi & her kind are busy rapin our economy & funnelin as many tax $ her way as she can & she can get away w/ it mostly b/c she & her fellow Dems only have to shout a few lines that involve 'Republicans, the Rich, Tax Breaks' & bam everywhere people like u are focused on that instead of the real problem. I'm sure u think Repubs only lower taxes on the rich & the Dems save the day by raising them. All that is called Rhetoric or bullshit for short...
mikedd56 8 months ago
@mistermassive1
..now hear some str8 facts, you can look up tax code records for the last 6-7 presidents & regardless of what Dems have told you they'll show that all the yrs during Dem prez taxes were raised on ALL brackets poor-rich & the yrs of Repub prez taxes were lowered on ALL brackets poor-rich. Imagine that. Pretty sure that lower taxes means people have more $ which is good for the economy. And that word u love so much Tax Break as if it equated to armed robbery is more like tax...
mikedd56 8 months ago
@mistermassive1
..incentives that spur job growth, like if a rich guy wanted to hire a contractor & his crew to build him a new house & he could start the house that much sooner with the tax break & good thing too b/c that construction crew hasnt had a job in awhile but now they can feed their kids. Dont be part of the problem
mikedd56 8 months ago
@mikedd56 - Your an idiot pal! I worked at a research facility run by GOP patriots that brought over a ton of folks from India all on visas and working on "scholarships", They were all slaves working for free to get a diploma. The same goes for the folks working any position of this nature. You manipulate the story and back it up just to make it appear as a democrap or Republitard story. You moron are the problem and those like you who can't see through the game being played on you!
mistermassive1 8 months ago
@mistermassive1
Well thats kind of a different story shipping people in from other countries, were they even interns. But still they werent really working for free if they got a scholarship its mad expensive going to college thats not a bad deal
mikedd56 8 months ago
Do you expect any degree of sympathy toward your position when you won't stop interrupting your interviewee?
Zenthik 9 months ago
Is anyone suprised how she acts when logic attempts to prevail?
This is what you folks continually vote for time and time again.
TrikkyMakk 9 months ago
Is anyone suprised how she acts when logic attempts to prevail?
TrikkyMakk 9 months ago
I love how she goes into rhetoric mode and makes a populist appeal and then starts calling in the guards because she can't effing answer the question honestly.
d0gM3at 9 months ago
If you're looking to make Pelosi look like some kid of hypocrite, this is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Internships are paid training courses for students, not jobs, and much of the time you don't end up working for the people you intern for. Intern is just another word for apprentice.
wuezili 9 months ago
On this one I actually agree with Nancy Pelosi. People who want to serve their country and come and go in a public service position, church, or community organization, should not be deterred by the same laws that regulate private enterprises where the sole purpose of existence is to make a profit point blank.
ESponge2000 9 months ago
These interviews are too short. Just as you start to expose their ignorance and stupidity, it ends. I want much longer interviews. Destroy their logic and do not stop until they wave the flag of surrender. You're winning here with sound arguments. Don't let the statists off the hook.
razerfish 9 months ago 3
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greg032375 9 months ago
@COice If an employer paid so little that you had to work 10hr 7days a week and you still didnt make enough to live. How long would you work for them? Me, I wouldnt. And not too many people would, the company would not have enough people to meet the demands of the market and that company would either have to pay more or close. When you tell a company that they have to pay 100 people $7.50/hr ( $2,184,000/yr ) to take calls at a help center, do you know what that company does. They send those j
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pensivethought 10 months ago
This guy sounds like Borat. Internships are a way to get your foot in the door. This fellow is not very logical.
wetlazer 10 months ago
@wetlazer Working at any position is a way to "get your foot in the door." To say that unpaid internships are any different than paying positions in this regard is incorrect. Many unskilled workers today are not worth hiring at minimum wage, so they go unemployed. Do you think that they would rather remain unemployed, or would they be willing to get their "foot in the door" at a wage below the minimum wage with the hopes of getting job experience, promotions, and a better standard of living?
Bashy38 10 months ago
Pelosi = fraud. Her supporters = idiots.
libertarianjury 10 months ago
Pelosi, like all congresscritters is equal parts sociopath and idiot / actor. The people who support her are equal parts conformist idiots, and corrupted patrons.
libertarianjury 10 months ago
Helfeld does thee BEST interviews.
Wish there were more. Many more.
healthhavencom 11 months ago
The reductio ad absurdum argumentation method works pretty well with this issue. If the minimum wage can bring the poor out of poverty, why not have it set a 200$/hour? Tell me why not. Then I can call you a greedy corporate shill because that is much easier than thinking. ;)
weavermama 11 months ago
The Minimum Wage (MW) is crap simply because it is only an artificial inflation of the true value of something. Within 1 yr, if that person is still working a MW job, that increase will mean nothing because the price of everything increased due to the up in MW. The people who get screwed though are those people (who are at a slightly higher skill set) who make just above MW. They didn't get a raise but the inflationary forces hit them harder than anyone else. The MW is a pile of crap.
goingalt 11 months ago
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never thought I'd say it but I actually agree with Pelosi on this one. you do unpaid internships to get a foot in the door into a field you want to do that will give much bigger returns in the long hall (kinda like paying to go to college). if some one wanted to work for Mcdonalds for free for a month then they are stupid, and the company is taking advantage of them, there is no long term return like when u graduate from college.
hobsdigree2 11 months ago
@hobsdigree2 Why can't you just respect other people's judgement on the matter. Do you know better than them what is in their self interest?
janhelfeld 11 months ago 16
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@janhelfeld I'm not sure where you are getting that I think I know better than other ppl i mean come on my comment was kinda common knowledge for you to say I need to defend it is as absurd as saying I need to defend my opinion on sending a murderer to prison, there is such things as common knowledge; the sky is blue, there is gravity, you don't need to intern to work at McDonald's.
hobsdigree2 11 months ago
@hobsdigree2 Why will you not answer my question? The issue is should each adult be free to decide how much he is willing to work for including working for free. You want to impose your judgement through the government even though the McDonald intern is not violating anybody's rights like the murder you cite. If you can not tell the difference between a conceptual political judgement i.e., minimum wage, on the one hand, and a perceptual concrete like the sky is blue, then I CAN'T help you.
janhelfeld 11 months ago 15
@janhelfeld No, I don't believe we should tell anyone how much they should work for cause your right some one would probably work for free for a month just to start making 7.50 per hour, and yes that should be their choice, but the problem with that is, if u or me saw it we would know McDonald's is taking advantage of them, we are not telling the employee to work for an amount, we are telling the business/employer (McDonald's) to pay them more.
hobsdigree2 11 months ago
@janhelfeld The difference is: The bulk of people who work at McDonald's work there for their living. Interns, on the other hand, do not intern for their living. They are doing the internship as a temporary educational experience that will assist their career pursuits, and are often not even to be employed by that same interning company. The whole reason why the government sets a minimum wage is in order help establish a minimum standard of living for those working for a living.
COice 9 months ago
@COice (...continued) Without a minimum wage, you can have the scenario where: a person works 10 hours in a day for 7 days a week, yet still cannot or can barely earn enough to support a feeble living. The government institutes minimum wage in order to mandate that corporations supply enough funds for a minimum for their workers. As aforementioned, internships do not have purpose of providing a person's living. You cannot talk about the two as if they are the same.
COice 9 months ago
*minimum [living] for their workers
COice 9 months ago
@janhelfeld It really depends on what the person is trying to accomplish. If it is an educational internship, I have actually done this with several business including fast foods. You are not actually hired. It's like a customer getting a tour of the joint almost, but gets to make a sandwich, and take an order. You are there for as little as 2 hours a day sometimes 5 hours. And you make your own schedule. What this sly bastard did on this video was confuse the situation.
jmitterii2 6 months ago
@hobsdigree2 The force of gravity is a natural phenomena where physical bodies attract with a force proportional to their mass. Just like how the laws of gravity aid us in calculating velocity of objects in free fall, the laws of supply and demand aid producers and consumers in determining what prices they are willing to sell and what prices someone is willing to buy. This bring about economic harmony, or a proper allocation of resources which best reflects a society's value system.
Misesrocks 9 months ago
@hobsdigree2 A legislature fixing a price for any one good (labor in the case of minimum wage since a wage is the PRICE of labor) in disregard of the economic harmonious price determined through laws of supply and demand, would be akin to a legislature fixing the velocity of an object in free fall with no regard to the proper value of gravity acting upon said physical object.
Misesrocks 9 months ago
@janhelfeld Because labor falls prey to supply and demand like all things that cost money. If there is a high number of workers willing to work for lower wages. It negatively affects my ability to ask for higher wages. Internships are short-term. Where as being a cook for Mcdonalds has no expiration date. If these idiots didn't affect my life, I wouldn't care, but they do.
jimmyj37 11 months ago
@hobsdigree2 It's hypocrisy. Simply because you think it's stupid to offer services to McDonalds free of charge does not negate the freedom of the matter. She is selectively choosing which enterprises can utilize voluntary participation without wages, and which cannot. Your opinion on the place of employment is irrelevant. It's up to the freedom of the individual.
TacoEqualsFtw 10 months ago
@hobsdigree2
No long term return? That's nuts. Every job is what you make of it. If you have ZERO experience in the workplace and spent 1 month at McDonald's as an intern, that experience will payoff in your next job, which gets the snowball rolling to a future of making money.
XXXFirebird76XXX 10 months ago
@hobsdigree2 The kind of remark you made is schmuck, snobbish and is devoid of any reasoning. Any job is a job and the worker deserves to be paid. Just because Pelosi is a congresswoman does not mean her knowledge can be traded for food or rent. One can learn anywhere, even in McD's kitchen. In case you do not know several of rather senior executives of McD were burger makers in their initial days. Exploitation needs to be stopped, be it in the corporate or be it in the Governmental setting.
subhankar1 10 months ago
@hobsdigree2 Do you know what political interns do? They mail out fundraising letters and make telemarketing fundraising calls. They are tied DIRECTLY to revenue. The question here is "work" and its value. If you flip a burger -- that is work, correct? If you raise $500 for a politician, this isn't work? There isn't a "value" to your efforts?
Nancy - like every ranking Democrat - is a slave-master. She views herself as SUPREME. People "want" to help her - for free. Doublespeak.
BBCater 9 months ago
@BBCater Here's the REAL "kicker". Say you volunteer to help an elected official - for FREE. There isn't any employment record - remember, you weren't being paid. Now let's say that elected official does something you disagree with, and you question them on it. They NOW have the power to DENY you a letter of recommendation - which was the ONLY paycheck you could have hoped for. You could have an "invisible" internship - decided by politics. You could have raised thousands, and it never happened.
BBCater 9 months ago
SHE REALLY EMBARASSED THE GOOD PEOPLE OF AMERICA, BECAUSE OTHER COUTRIES LOOKED UP AMERICAN AS WISE AND INTELLEGENT BUT SHE WAS SHOWING THE DUMBBBBBB..... OMG....
salom868 11 months ago
He asked his questions about the minimum wage and she REFUSED TO ANSWER THEM!
sspate16 11 months ago
I would pay big money to see him interview Sarah Palin!
milkweed1989 11 months ago
Wow People. It's called strawman, Nancy's an idiot alright... because of her inability to point out the obvious differences between a student interning as a part of their education and someone working for less than cost of living to wash dishes. In the former the person is privy to an exclusive hands on education that is in line with their ideal job where they are often more trouble than they are worth. In the latter, slave labor for a job anybody can walk on and do.
jimmyj37 11 months ago
@jimmyj37: The cost of living is a fabricated entity dependant on the people's money and standards of living. Jobs that pay less are better than no jobs at all, and low-income communities will see decreased costs of living because businesses can't profit if they aren't either A) paying people more to buy more expensive goods, or B) paying people less to buy less expensive goods.
No jobs means state-living, means no contributions to communities, means no motivation. =\
Death2Evil 11 months ago
@Death2Evil True COL is really Quality of Life. That is what we all want. If my choice is to take whatever job I can and it doesn't afford me the QOL that I want. I will resort to just taking what I want. YOU don't own anything, you only defend what you possess. The gov protects your assets from people stealing it from you. If you have everything and you don't value my life/labor to allow me more than to survive another day... I will take it. I got guns but I prefer to vote.
jimmyj37 11 months ago
@jimmyj37: I don't think you understand. Voting for increases in the minimum wage don't actually increase the quality of life for the poor. They temporarily boost the real value of low-end labor, while also making low-end work MUCH, MUCH more difficult to aquire.
And taking what you cannot have by right will just land you in jail or prison, meaning greater costs to the taxpayers who support jails and prisons...
Death2Evil 11 months ago
@Death2Evil I don't think you understand. I never said to raise MW. In fact I believe we leave MW exactly where it is and we stop printing more money creating a standard and stabilizing the value of money. I'm well aware of the games the powers that be play with artificial inflation by printing more money (a way to make MW insignificant and steal YOUR SAVINGS all at the same time). In the last 10 yrs US economy increased but average wages fell. MW is not the problem hurting the economy.
jimmyj37 11 months ago
@jimmyj37: If minimum wage doesn't hurt the economy, then why is it that we STILL have waves of illegal immigrants filling the the majority of low-end labor needs? Because illegal immigrants can work for less...
I agree. Inflation is terrible. I never said minimum wage was the only thing hurting our economy. Eliminating it would most certainly be helpful, though - as it allows more people to get by with a lower wage rather than fewer people to get buy with a few more luxuries.
Death2Evil 11 months ago
@Death2Evil Immigrants come to America to get paid HIGHER WAGES than in their own country. Employers hire them to increase profit. AGAIN US economy GREW in the last ten years but avg wages decreased! It's not that employers can't afford to pay more they just prefer to make higher profits. Also, what is the difference between an immigrant working for less than MW and an American working MW? Both are illegal so the law doesn't prevent people from working for less IF they want to.
jimmyj37 11 months ago
@jimmyj37: No shit, Sherlock? Of course they come here to earn more than what's available in their home countries. Even if more than what's available in their home countries is less than minimum wage, they still manage to make a "living wage."
The difference between an American and an illegal working for less than minimum wage is that American's get the hammer if caught, while illegals are hard to catch and just get deported (only to come right back) when caught. Our laws hurt our people most.
Death2Evil 11 months ago
@Death2Evil You don't know law. The worker doesn't get hammered, the employer gets penalized for the illegal American or Mexican labor. Your argument is that American QOL is too high so we can't compete with Chinese/Mexican whose QOL is horrible. So you want us to lower our QOL so we can compete. Again the economy grew and wages fell. It's not that business can't afford to pay, they just don't want to. MW also isn't enough for a person to pay a household bills, So what luxury do they have?
jimmyj37 11 months ago
@jimmyj37: And neither do you, apparently. Businesses can afford to pay the penalties IF they get caught. Individuals can't afford to be caught on fraud and tax-evasion. Thus do illegals risk being temporarily relocated, while Americans risk their livelihoods.
My argument is that 99% of employers are SMALL businesses, which CAN'T afford the extra costs, and over 30% of those affected by minimum wage live with their parents.
Budgeting, boy. Budgeting. Minimum wage is more than enough.
Death2Evil 11 months ago
@Death2Evil People murder in places where capital punishment is legal. Name one case where someone worked for less than MW and was thrown in prison for tax evasion. They make you pay applicable taxes to wages earned. My friend recently got "busted" for not paying taxes. He is paying what he owes plus normal late penalties. So you want more people living with parents and budgeting... Sounds like lowering QOL when there is plenty for all. You want to elevate by holding others down.
jimmyj37 11 months ago
@jimmyj37: Your point being...? Murder is fueled by anger, hatred, and revenge. The only motivation for fraud and tax evasion for legal workers' is earning an untaxed $5.00 instead of a taxed $7.25. Citizens aren't willing to take great risks for no immediate reward.
The fact of the matter is that 30% of minimum wage earners DO live with their parents. They have no real expenses, so can afford to earn less so that others can earn, period. Again, you FAIL. I want to elevate the unemployed.
Death2Evil 11 months ago
@Death2Evil People have gone to prison for selling Marijuana for twenty years with money/supporting themselves being the motivation. People still sell drugs. I want you to keep printing 30% of MW workers live with their parents. Such an awesome stat in your favor, I'm sure struggling adults everywhere will be lining up for LESS than current MW. You don't have a good product or business strategy, so you want to compensate through cheap labor. I can collect cans for more than MW!
jimmyj37 11 months ago
@jimmyj37: How many times will you fail to draw a relevant comparison? A drug dealer is an entrepreneur, motivated by capitalism, supply/demand, and potentially large profits. An under-the-table worker is motivated only by the prospect of earning an untaxed $5.00/hour instead of a taxed $7.25/hour. To the individual, there is no individual reward justify the individual risk.
No, they won't. Because I don't employ anyone, and because people like you prefer higher unemployment rates. ^.^
Death2Evil 11 months ago
@Death2Evil My argument was that punishments don't prevent people from breaking laws. You said Murder isn't relevant. For my argument it was. For this specific topic it wasn't. Selling drugs is a form of labor that someone performs to support their self despite very hefty punishment. The most relevant a comparison can be. When you make comparisons to other things there will always be a difference, otherwise it wouldn't be a comparison. Both arguments support my first statement.
jimmyj37 11 months ago
@jimmyj37: And your argument failed because punishments DO prevent people from breaking the law when there is no reward to justify the risk. The reward for murder is most-often emotional or psychological. The reward for dealing is entrepreneurial.
The reward for working under the table is doing your small part (1/310,896,000) to support a better economy. This is called marginal benefit, and is why most people do not vote.
The difference in your comparisons (motivation) is paramount.
Death2Evil 11 months ago
@Death2Evil Ha ha ha! You just created a paradox for yourself. First you say there is NO reward to justify the task then you go to say the reward is doing your part. So if the first is true the second is false. If the second is true then the first is false. I'm glad you are so insistent I fail at the same time as making an obvious contradiction. My argument was punishments doesn't = no crime. Now you want to talk about motivation. No reward, no motivation, no job. You bore me now.
jimmyj37 11 months ago
@jimmyj37: Have you trouble reading? First I said no immediate reward. Then, I said no individual reward. And now, I am specifying as to exactly what the reward is...which is neither immediate, nor individual. The statements do not conflict, and, thus, do not form a paradox. Your FAILure to recognize adjectives makes for a RATHER PATHETIC straw man.
Yet punishments DO = no crime WHEN applied to crimes of marginal benifit (violations of minimum wage). You FAIL, sir. ^.^
Death2Evil 11 months ago