I guess I would have to ask the question, is he trying to chamber 9X18 Makarov ammo in that Glock 17 or 19?????? If so, of course the slide wouldnt close.
Nice, I've yet to handle a makarov however I do own a 1942 Russian TT33, great pistol! Very slim design (consealable), reliable, robust, easy to disassemble/clean, pretty accurate, manageable recoil, and of course, cheap. Russian firearms are easily some of the best in the world!
The P7 failed because no one could figure out what it did better than existing, less complex and less expensive designs. It was technically "sweet" however, and I have a friend who collects them.
As to the Mak, it was designed to be simple to make, maintain and shoot and was a worthy successor to the T33 but at the expense of penetration (as you point out.)
I love my Mak and my other .380s, but I'm keenly aware of the limits of the cartridge for self defense.
Now if you can just figure out how to chamber a Mak in something other than a straight-walled .380+p... oh wait, you can't, that's a design limit.
The Russian military is dumping the Mak for the 9 x 19 Grach, which tells you everything you need to know. Maks are fun, reliable and accurate but heaven forbid you ever have to shoot anything that breathes with one.
If I can't have a Glock, give me a grungy old 1911. (*That* has a century of successful field testing.)
@8enbloc It's not that you can't, it's that you wouldn't want to. If they were to make a Makarov in 9x19, they would have to make the slide very big because anything more powerful then a .380 requires a lot of slide mass to work. Just look at the Hi Point. The 9x18 is less powerful then the 9x19, but it's no joke to get shot by one. I still think a blowback design will be inherently more reliable then recoil operated design because it has less parts.
IIRC a 9x19 Mak was tried with annular chamber grooves to retard blowback. It didn't work well due to failures to extract and case ruptures.
Clearly, the 9x18 is no joke. (Neither is a .25 ACP for that matter.) But it is a ballistic twin to a .380 in a piece oversize for a "pocket pistol", yet lacking the power one expects from a duty sidearm. Again, there's a reason the Russians are phasing out the Mak in favor of a locked breech 9x19 able to safely digest SMG ammo.
@8enbloc Yeah, it was an alternative to beefing up the slide. The H&K P7 was another pistol that used flutes to retard blowback, it had a piston also though. Neat design, but it failed for some reason. I think the larger size makes of the makarov makes it easier to shoot imo and probably adds durability. I found a pocket gun like the Ruger LCP to be not as comfortable to shoot as a makarov.
@8enbloc Another reason is that they wanted armor piercing capability which is something they can't get with 9x18. The whole reason they went to the weaker 9x18 in the first place was because they found that the pistol largely became useless on the modern battlefield, it was true back then, and it's still true today I think.
Another friend of mine (now a Lt. Colonel in SF) once described the AK as: "A perfect rifle to hand to some ignorant rice farmer who doesn't speak your language."
The same might be said of the Mak. Simple, cheap, reliable, minimal training requirements. There are palpable benefits to that, but at cost of weight, bulk and a cartridge that's fairly anemic and penetrates poorly. (Of course you could carry a CZ52, but at that point I'd rather just have a rifle and be done with it.)
Ummm... the 9x18 is in fact a "9" and Lubyanka Breakfasts don't count.
(Never shot anything that breathes, have you?)
Load it to 9x19 pressures and you'll find out exactly how "vastly different" the "caliber differences" are. Just make sure I'm not standing next to you when you do.
Mosin-Nagants are still in service. So what?
The Soviets and the Mak lost the Cold War
And that's why I know you speak out of your behind.
In addition to having no experience in terminal ballistics, you've never loaded a single round, have you? Saying the Mak is "almost comparable" to a midrange Parabellum isn't saying much. You never addressed my point about the Grach being adopted precisely because it can safely fire SMG ammo. The Mak was fine for its era, but that era has passed and the Russians know it.
Mak 9x18 when loaded hooter in Czech & Russian guns, approaches 300FPE with 115gr.
Thats comparable to most standard 9x19 9mm rounds, which are about 10% hotter.
Russia is going to a NATO 9mm round for a host of reasons, price, power and standardization, not lack of power. The MAK 9x18 round served Commie Bloc nations fine for 50+ years and did its share of killing.
Ok, Sparky, last time: FPE doesn't translate to PSI or MPa, which is the constraining variable on blowback designs. Energy is one of several incapacitating factors, not prepotent as you seem to imply. (See MacPherson's "Bullet Penetration." Not a lot of pictures, but give it your best try.)
So Russia's adopting a NATO pistol round for "power and standardization, not lack of power" (whatever...) but keeping the 5.45x39?
FPE Does translate into PSI when we speak of the same caliber of bullet, same brass, or in the case of the Mak, one that is slightly wider at .365 vs .355.
Russia went to a PYa Grach in handgun, wit 18 round mag. Big improvement over the Mak.
However.....Placement > Caliber
The Mak when loaded hot, gives up little, it matches 38 Special +P, no one claims 38+P is undersized.
5.45x39 is comparable to 223 (5.56) and was implemented by Russians who were impressed with the performance & weight
@StSimonMartyr I really do love the Makarov, but I have to admit to myself that it is inferior to most modern 9x19 caliber handguns. Not that the 9x18 can't kill somebody, but the 9x19 is just a more effective cartridge.
@StSimonMartyr The fastest 115 gr 9x18+P I see is by buffalo bore and comes out at 1,000 FPS. The 9mm can still push out 1,430 FTS. Why has are they deciding all of sudden they want to standardize with NATO? They haven't done it with their other cartridges. It would more expensive I think to change calibers and make new guns. I think power is the one of the big reasons why they went to 9x19. The Russians are expiremating with super high velocity AP rounds with 9x19 the 9x18 can't do that.
Yeah Buffalo Bore has hot ammo in a lot of pistol cartridges with some rather fantastic claims.....a little too fantastic if you ask me, I wouldn't use the stuff.
Bottom line is standard specs for Mak ammo is a 95 grain bullet out at 1000 fps, give or take. The .380 is a 90 grain pill at 900, very little difference, and WAY short of StSimon's claim of being equal to a .38 Special+P.
@StSimonMartyr It doesn't out push bullets as heavy as .38 special though. A lot of the hollow points for the 9x18 have underwhelming penetration from testing I've seen. Only the heavier ammo meets the 12 inch FBI penetration requirement.
In Euro Ammo (Brown Bear 115gr) and Czech Ammo, Not custom but Stock loads, it throws 115gr at 1050fps.
Factor that the 9x18 is a larger bullet diameter and it offers 8 vs 5 shots, and that its ballistics mirror the 38 special, it is a serious contender.
Yes thank you a fuckload, i am familiar with the Bear ammo, it is an anamoly, way over the cartridge specs, just as Cor-Bon and Buffalo Bore ammo do the same thing with the .380, and make a .38 Special that shits all over them all.
Play games with specs all you want, you're wrong anyway if you compare apples with apples and go with the most balls out load in each cartridge..
Yes and the .38 Special buffalo bore CRAPS ALL OVER their makorov load so STFU. you are seeing what you want to see and comparing the most ball's out powerful mak load to the puniest .38 you can find.
9x18 Ammo Ballistics: Silver Bear 120-gr JHP Manufacturer: LVE Novosibirsk, Russia Velocity: (fps) 983 Silver Bear 115-gr JHP Adviseable to change your recoil spring to the 21# spring Manufacturer: LVE (Low Voltage Equipment Plant), Novosibirsk, Russia Velocity: (fps) 1037 TCW 109-gr FMJ Manufacturer: Tula Cartridge Works, Tula, Russia Velocity: (fps)1037 (Read em & Wheep Dumbass)
@StSimonMartyr Truth be told, the 9x18 is probably not much less worst then a regular 9mm. While the Makarov is a great pistol (I have three of them), I believe it to be outdated which is why the Russians replaced it with a high capacity 9x19 luger pistol (Grach pistol). The magazine capacity is low. The magazine release is awkward. The ergonmics are some what uncomfortable. I think the Russians wanted AP pistol ammo and the Makarov+ its cartridge were not capable of that.
@8enbloc I've heard of a Makarov successfully defending someone. An ABC store (Alcoholic Beverage Control) in Virginia Beach was robbed by two guys once about 10 years ago. One of the patrons intervened and shot three times, one of them shot twice, the other once. The guy shot once died at the scene and the other about an hour later, both cases, both dropped then and there. 9x18 or .380 may not be powerhouses but in competent hands such as the guy here, it can be effective.
@TheMango121 The makarov is already stupid simple to take down. I have 3 Makarov's, 2 which I fired which have never jammed. Perhaps you need a new magazine. Makarov's are very reliable. They have even less parts then a Glock.
Makarov pistols, "Stalin Specials". They were , and still are, deadly like Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin from 1929 until his death in 1953. Heres to the Stalin Special.Comrades.
makarov is actually more reliable from my experience, like glocks are ultra reliable and so is makarov, but, makarov has better magazines and NEVER have failure to feeds.
@dreadful0chicken As long as you use factory loads, glocks don't either. Also that's only with the .40 and VERY few .45's, not 9mm like the makarov (i know, 9x18). Just to be safe... just get a 1911!
@spankymge No, that has nothing to do with it. What do you think happens when a gun is fired? Do you thing the muzzle points itself down to reload? Please don't talk like you know anything about firearms.
@spankymge Once again, It makes no difference which way the firearm is oriented. Especially these, both being known for their reliability under adverse conditions, including upside down, sideways, pointing up/down (GASP!). Also, the "fuck you" was uncalled for, I was simply pointing out your dumbas logic. I don't need to watch the video again, either the glock is very broken or he is using out of spec ammo. Fuck you too, have a nice day.
There is something wrong with the Glock trigger it's all the way back. Also it never moves when he is racking the slide. It almost acts like the wrong ammo is being used as well, Or barrel. Because in the first part he shakes the pistol and there is a sound like something moving time 0.03 . Watch the trigger also. Something is wrong. Or rigged. My Glock's will all load even with a slow slide release even with big hollow points. Even with unloaded cases it still will cycle.
@ylism I putt a 9x18 Makarov in a Glock 9mm and it did the same thing. The Makarov is a .36 cal. The 9mm is a.355 cal so that could also be the cause. It will also also allow the trigger to stay back in the fired position like in the video. But does not account for the sound made when shaken in the first 6 seconds by the Glock . This seems to be rigged video. yl
Instead of pulling back on the slide and pushing it forward, which he evidently did. He should pull it back and let go. Almost and most pistols and guns will jam if you force it forward.
Ok, I can't let this lie.. The tester either didn't know how to use a glock (or any handgun for that matter) or is being biased and rigging the test. You do not hang on to the slide of your side arm while chambering a round... This is hand gun 101 stuff... Don't get me wrong, I like the markarov, however, the test is either rigged or completely in error.
No fan of Glock... but it is quite a nice piece of equipment. Never heard of the Makarov being comparable. It seems a bit like Notre Dame playing a high school team from Podunk. The best reason to use a Makarov is that you don't have any choice. In any case I prefer something else.
@KironStrife Glocks, like Springfield XDs and most other modern polymer pistols, are striker fired. It's a spring-loaded horizontal bar that hits the firing pin.
What does this really prove?? Nobody racks a pistol this way. You pull the slide and let it snap back, chambering the round. You don't ride it back down. If you do it takes longer and you will probably be dead before you get off a single shot. Something to think about.
Never had a malfunction from my Glock 21 after 1K rounds, never had a malfunction from my Makarov after 500+ rounds. The G21 fires a .45 and has a 13 round capacity so it has the advantage of a superior caliber and more rounds. The Makarov has the advantage of being compact with a better grip. Both are accurate.
I've seen Glocks jam round after round when held with a weak grip - the video here demonstrates this problem beautifully by "riding" the slide forward with resistance.
This jamming typically doesn't happen with male shooters, but it is very common with female shooters with weak or tentative grips.
abe brat nqma kakvo da gi sravnqva6 tiq pistoleti. ako vsi4ko opira do nadejdnost vseki znae 4e makara e ne nai- nadejdniq pistolet a e nai-nadejdnoto ognestrelno orajie. po-nadejden i ot kalashnik. iznosvaneto na chastite na makara zapo4va sled 500K iztrel.vijdal sam glockve na po 14K iztrela i ve4e ne stavat
If you impact a round farther into the cartridge than it comes at the factory, and then try to load it into the breach, it will catch like that. Factory spec ammo won't jam in a glock. I've fired over 5k rounds through a glock and not had a single malfunction of gun or ammo. I can't say that about any other gun I own.
i use a makarov for conceal carry because it does live on after glocks have long failed, plus its grip doesnt suck balls, and it doesnt come with some fag trigger safety
umm maybe he was just demonstrating that with this weapon you can ride the slide for a silent round loading? But unless all these peaple posting how bad this "test" is can actually understand what he's saying, why is everyone ASSuming? I didn't see the title say test anywhere myself and VS is another way to say compare and contrast. So maybe he's just showing a quiet loading for those who carry empty chamber, who knows?
comparing these pistols is like apples and oranges
Makarov= easy to conceal and carry, holds less rounds
Glock= bulky as hell, holds more rounds
They are both simple and robust pistols so its really all about your needs and preferences
Me, I am a cool dude, so I'll chose the M1911A1 45 pistol and blow away both the asshole with the glock and the asshole with the Makarov together....sending them straight to hell with their bitch-like pistols
to tell you the truth you are exactly right. I respect your opinion but I would prefer the Glock by a little but the makarov is probably the second best. Makarov = Official Russian Pistol again, Cheap, easy conceal, easy disassembly and cleanin, and incredibly accurate, and for its size it could easily kill a a full grown man so I agree 100% with your comparison
The updated Makarov PMM holds 12 rounds in a double-stack magazine, keeps the same reliability as the old design, compact, sleek profile, and light weight.
I'd say it's better to compare that model to a Glock than the outdated PM.
im sorry but while he babied the slide on the glock ive fired both and ill take the makarov over the glock any day, i just shoot better with it, the more convenient mag release and high cap mags wont matter if you hit the target with your first bullet.
glock is more accurate, more accessorys, more replacement parts, more ammo choices, more common ammo, larger magazine capacity, better sights, considering you can get many different choices, you can hunt with a glock legally, they come in different sizes, glocks are alot more reliable then seen in this video. plus they have many uses like as a submachine gun, carbine, conceal carry, hunting, and as a proven service sidearm.
define easier for me please. and the glocks are safer, keep the finger off the trigger and it won't fire. if your concered about saftey then get a saftey installed.
In my opinion, not a fair comparison. The Glock is a much newer pistol designed for combat. However, overall, the Glock is a better weapon IMO, simply because it is newer and has features that Makarov can't simply due to it being outdated.
And that's not bias - I'm a big fan of the Makarov, it's a good gun in its own right, and I own one.
i havn't had the pleasure of shooting one and i've only fired 5 rounds through a glock (.45 ACP Glock 30) its just that even though the makarov is a good gun, i believe its better than the makarov and i was helping someone see that its not the best.
It's hard to find a gun that won't jam up when you ride the slide forward like that. Hell even my AK jams when I ride the bolt forward. Doesn't mean they're any more or less reliable when used correctly.
I guess I would have to ask the question, is he trying to chamber 9X18 Makarov ammo in that Glock 17 or 19?????? If so, of course the slide wouldnt close.
radio625 2 weeks ago
first time in a gun video. turning in2 a gun enthusiast by the sec- luivin each evry bit o it!!
aztek12321 2 months ago
WTF
tomcat548299 3 months ago
Nice, I've yet to handle a makarov however I do own a 1942 Russian TT33, great pistol! Very slim design (consealable), reliable, robust, easy to disassemble/clean, pretty accurate, manageable recoil, and of course, cheap. Russian firearms are easily some of the best in the world!
NormanMatchem 7 months ago 2
this guy must not how to use a gun ..I've never had problem with the slide EVER with all the glocks I've dealt with.
bc5620 8 months ago
well this is just a poor test both are two diffrent action types well great try..
my verdict there both junk
temple400 8 months ago
are u 100 percent serious man, that is a user malfuction not the guns fault. totally rediculous
ruben7681 8 months ago
@ruben7681 that's what i meant...the way he pulled the slide and jammed almost looked like he did it on purpose.
bc5620 8 months ago
glock is so beuatiful but makarov is stronger
raymund1699 8 months ago
Makarov
Skilledman89 9 months ago
glock is now the best gun on the market
barry659 9 months ago
Контакт руки осуществляется только при его отводе назад. Поэтому глок и заклинил.
1906199118 10 months ago
Mакарена ли вее xD
84singularity 10 months ago
Glocks are the Cadillac or Rolls Royce of Guns period..................
pentogram23 10 months ago
@pentogram23 I'd say they're more like the Ford of guns. They aren't refined but they work and work.
A Colt Python or a Sig is more like a Rolls Royce
CajunCatfish12 10 months ago
The P7 failed because no one could figure out what it did better than existing, less complex and less expensive designs. It was technically "sweet" however, and I have a friend who collects them.
As to the Mak, it was designed to be simple to make, maintain and shoot and was a worthy successor to the T33 but at the expense of penetration (as you point out.)
I love my Mak and my other .380s, but I'm keenly aware of the limits of the cartridge for self defense.
8enbloc 11 months ago
Now if you can just figure out how to chamber a Mak in something other than a straight-walled .380+p... oh wait, you can't, that's a design limit.
The Russian military is dumping the Mak for the 9 x 19 Grach, which tells you everything you need to know. Maks are fun, reliable and accurate but heaven forbid you ever have to shoot anything that breathes with one.
If I can't have a Glock, give me a grungy old 1911. (*That* has a century of successful field testing.)
8enbloc 11 months ago
@8enbloc It's not that you can't, it's that you wouldn't want to. If they were to make a Makarov in 9x19, they would have to make the slide very big because anything more powerful then a .380 requires a lot of slide mass to work. Just look at the Hi Point. The 9x18 is less powerful then the 9x19, but it's no joke to get shot by one. I still think a blowback design will be inherently more reliable then recoil operated design because it has less parts.
esh325 11 months ago
@esh325
IIRC a 9x19 Mak was tried with annular chamber grooves to retard blowback. It didn't work well due to failures to extract and case ruptures.
Clearly, the 9x18 is no joke. (Neither is a .25 ACP for that matter.) But it is a ballistic twin to a .380 in a piece oversize for a "pocket pistol", yet lacking the power one expects from a duty sidearm. Again, there's a reason the Russians are phasing out the Mak in favor of a locked breech 9x19 able to safely digest SMG ammo.
8enbloc 11 months ago
@8enbloc Yeah, it was an alternative to beefing up the slide. The H&K P7 was another pistol that used flutes to retard blowback, it had a piston also though. Neat design, but it failed for some reason. I think the larger size makes of the makarov makes it easier to shoot imo and probably adds durability. I found a pocket gun like the Ruger LCP to be not as comfortable to shoot as a makarov.
esh325 11 months ago
@8enbloc Another reason is that they wanted armor piercing capability which is something they can't get with 9x18. The whole reason they went to the weaker 9x18 in the first place was because they found that the pistol largely became useless on the modern battlefield, it was true back then, and it's still true today I think.
esh325 11 months ago
@esh325
Another friend of mine (now a Lt. Colonel in SF) once described the AK as: "A perfect rifle to hand to some ignorant rice farmer who doesn't speak your language."
The same might be said of the Mak. Simple, cheap, reliable, minimal training requirements. There are palpable benefits to that, but at cost of weight, bulk and a cartridge that's fairly anemic and penetrates poorly. (Of course you could carry a CZ52, but at that point I'd rather just have a rifle and be done with it.)
8enbloc 11 months ago
Makarov has killed plenty..
WHERE you Shoot them > What you shoot them with
StSimonMartyr 11 months ago
@StSimonMartyr mainly other russians and soviet bloc members lol! and a few afghans
dizzyarmstrong 9 months ago
Russia is Dumping it for a more common NATO round.
A Mak has killed just as many folks as a 9mm.
The caliber differences at short range are not vastly different with hot Mak loads.
Mak is slightly wider than 9mm, and a great weapon.
It served the Soviets for over 50 years, thats why I know you speak out of your behind.
StSimonMartyr 9 months ago
@StSimonMartyr
"A Mak has killed just as many folks as a 9mm."
Ummm... the 9x18 is in fact a "9" and Lubyanka Breakfasts don't count.
(Never shot anything that breathes, have you?)
Load it to 9x19 pressures and you'll find out exactly how "vastly different" the "caliber differences" are. Just make sure I'm not standing next to you when you do.
Mosin-Nagants are still in service. So what?
The Soviets and the Mak lost the Cold War
And that's why I know you speak out of your behind.
8enbloc 8 months ago
A Makarov is a 9x18, a 9mm IS 9x19.
Only an idiot does not know the difference. The 9x18 Mak is never referred to as a '9' or 9mm.
The Russian and Czech guns are loaded very hot with 115gr bullets at about 300fpe.
Almost comparable to a standard 9mm round.
NOT +P round.
The US did not win the Cold War you fool. We are run by the same people, the Communists were..Jews
StSimonMartyr 8 months ago
@StSimonMartyr
In addition to having no experience in terminal ballistics, you've never loaded a single round, have you? Saying the Mak is "almost comparable" to a midrange Parabellum isn't saying much. You never addressed my point about the Grach being adopted precisely because it can safely fire SMG ammo. The Mak was fine for its era, but that era has passed and the Russians know it.
The "Jew" comment speaks for itself.
Moron.
8enbloc 8 months ago
Mak 9x18 when loaded hooter in Czech & Russian guns, approaches 300FPE with 115gr.
Thats comparable to most standard 9x19 9mm rounds, which are about 10% hotter.
Russia is going to a NATO 9mm round for a host of reasons, price, power and standardization, not lack of power. The MAK 9x18 round served Commie Bloc nations fine for 50+ years and did its share of killing.
On Jews, you are ignorant.
Visit my channel.
Theres no excuse for ignorance today.
StSimonMartyr 8 months ago
@StSimonMartyr
Ok, Sparky, last time: FPE doesn't translate to PSI or MPa, which is the constraining variable on blowback designs. Energy is one of several incapacitating factors, not prepotent as you seem to imply. (See MacPherson's "Bullet Penetration." Not a lot of pictures, but give it your best try.)
So Russia's adopting a NATO pistol round for "power and standardization, not lack of power" (whatever...) but keeping the 5.45x39?
Makes as much sense as your bigotry.
Dismissed.
8enbloc 8 months ago
FPE Does translate into PSI when we speak of the same caliber of bullet, same brass, or in the case of the Mak, one that is slightly wider at .365 vs .355.
Russia went to a PYa Grach in handgun, wit 18 round mag. Big improvement over the Mak.
However.....Placement > Caliber
The Mak when loaded hot, gives up little, it matches 38 Special +P, no one claims 38+P is undersized.
5.45x39 is comparable to 223 (5.56) and was implemented by Russians who were impressed with the performance & weight
StSimonMartyr 8 months ago
@StSimonMartyr I really do love the Makarov, but I have to admit to myself that it is inferior to most modern 9x19 caliber handguns. Not that the 9x18 can't kill somebody, but the 9x19 is just a more effective cartridge.
esh325 7 months ago
@StSimonMartyr The fastest 115 gr 9x18+P I see is by buffalo bore and comes out at 1,000 FPS. The 9mm can still push out 1,430 FTS. Why has are they deciding all of sudden they want to standardize with NATO? They haven't done it with their other cartridges. It would more expensive I think to change calibers and make new guns. I think power is the one of the big reasons why they went to 9x19. The Russians are expiremating with super high velocity AP rounds with 9x19 the 9x18 can't do that.
esh325 7 months ago
@esh325
Yeah Buffalo Bore has hot ammo in a lot of pistol cartridges with some rather fantastic claims.....a little too fantastic if you ask me, I wouldn't use the stuff.
Bottom line is standard specs for Mak ammo is a 95 grain bullet out at 1000 fps, give or take. The .380 is a 90 grain pill at 900, very little difference, and WAY short of StSimon's claim of being equal to a .38 Special+P.
Blahblobify 7 months ago
In normal loadings, the 9x18 is almost identical ballistically to 38 Special +P, just shy of 300fpe
Europe ammo is hotter to begin with, and Bear ammo had a 115 grain Mak loading (hard to find in the US) that beat most 38+P ammo.
9x18 Mak is no joke. Again, it damn near mirrors 38+P ballistics.
If you can prove me wrong have at it....Ive done the research however.
And millions of dead Russian prove my point. In service for over 50 years.
StSimonMartyr 3 months ago
@StSimonMartyr It doesn't out push bullets as heavy as .38 special though. A lot of the hollow points for the 9x18 have underwhelming penetration from testing I've seen. Only the heavier ammo meets the 12 inch FBI penetration requirement.
esh325 3 months ago
@StSimonMartyr
Just google 9X18 ballistics and +P .38 Special.
There's no comparison.
You are taking the weirdest hottest mak loads and the most lukewrm .38 loads.
The Makarov gets a 95 grain bullet out at 1,000+ fps on a good day, anything better than that is an overload.
The .38 Special +P will get a 125 grain bullet out at 1,000+ fps.
95 grains versus 125 grains at same velocity = some sorry shit. The Mak is like a .380.
Now go fuck your face
Blahblobify 3 months ago
Shit 4 Brains.,
The MAK is a Euro cartridge.
In Euro Ammo (Brown Bear 115gr) and Czech Ammo, Not custom but Stock loads, it throws 115gr at 1050fps.
Factor that the 9x18 is a larger bullet diameter and it offers 8 vs 5 shots, and that its ballistics mirror the 38 special, it is a serious contender.
Go away
StSimonMartyr 3 months ago
@StSimonMartyr
Yes thank you a fuckload, i am familiar with the Bear ammo, it is an anamoly, way over the cartridge specs, just as Cor-Bon and Buffalo Bore ammo do the same thing with the .380, and make a .38 Special that shits all over them all.
Play games with specs all you want, you're wrong anyway if you compare apples with apples and go with the most balls out load in each cartridge..
Blahblobify 3 months ago
Buffalo Bore is not an anomoly, dumbass
I just posted 3 ammo manufacturers getting the same/better ballistics than BB, who said on their website:
"The reason I went with the +P designation is because we are getting what would be considered +P velocity, even though the pressures are normal.'
Silver Bear 120-gr JHP, Manufacturer: LVE Novosibirsk, Russia/ Velocity: (fps)- 983
Thats the same as 38+P
Silver Bear has a 115gr at 1011(fps) & TCW-Tula Russian 109gr at 1037 (Fps)
StSimonMartyr 3 months ago
@StSimonMartyr
Yes and the .38 Special buffalo bore CRAPS ALL OVER their makorov load so STFU. you are seeing what you want to see and comparing the most ball's out powerful mak load to the puniest .38 you can find.
Goodbye now go fuck yourself in the face..
Blahblobify 3 months ago
I never compared Buffalo bore which is anemic to the Hotter Euro loads which I posted-From Brown Bear
MAKs have a much longer barrel than a 2" snub and generate similar velocities and FPE.
Just admit youre wrong, shit 4 brains.
I cited 3 different Euro ammo manufacturers.
Corbon also had a hot 9x18+P load, but was dinscontinued due to poor sales.
The 9x18 in standard Russian Ammo is almost identical to 38+P..Fact
Now go get your shine box.
StSimonMartyr 3 months ago
StSimonMartyr 3 months ago
@esh325 VBR-B 9x18 KATE. is is a AP round for the makarov
DrGreenfun 6 months ago
@DrGreenfun Yeah, but nobody uses it.
esh325 6 months ago
9x18 Mak was used for 50 years by the Communists, you fool.
And it killed alot of people..
Where you shoot > what you shoot them with.
StSimonMartyr 3 months ago
@StSimonMartyr Truth be told, the 9x18 is probably not much less worst then a regular 9mm. While the Makarov is a great pistol (I have three of them), I believe it to be outdated which is why the Russians replaced it with a high capacity 9x19 luger pistol (Grach pistol). The magazine capacity is low. The magazine release is awkward. The ergonmics are some what uncomfortable. I think the Russians wanted AP pistol ammo and the Makarov+ its cartridge were not capable of that.
esh325 3 months ago
@8enbloc I've heard of a Makarov successfully defending someone. An ABC store (Alcoholic Beverage Control) in Virginia Beach was robbed by two guys once about 10 years ago. One of the patrons intervened and shot three times, one of them shot twice, the other once. The guy shot once died at the scene and the other about an hour later, both cases, both dropped then and there. 9x18 or .380 may not be powerhouses but in competent hands such as the guy here, it can be effective.
chrismc410 3 months ago
Никогда не дайте опасно задержанное оружие людей.
ballisstix 1 year ago
Keep your POS macrov and and ill keep my glock lol
hutningnola 1 year ago
makarov the best
sergiej794 1 year ago
Glock ist dümm, aber ist Makarov besser als Sig?
Bobbylegs37 1 year ago
Makarov! Makarov! Makarov!
Lufttygger306 1 year ago
I have a glock 17 and this never happens this guy got a hold of one were something is messed up in it
Joeyal123 1 year ago
What kinda silly comparison is this???
Glock>Markarov....
I own both. Glocks more accurate(for me), easier to take down, cheaper ammo, more reliable.
Glock has about 3000ish rounds through it, No problems...
Makarov has around 1kish and iv had a few FTF's
TheMango121 1 year ago
@TheMango121 The makarov is already stupid simple to take down. I have 3 Makarov's, 2 which I fired which have never jammed. Perhaps you need a new magazine. Makarov's are very reliable. They have even less parts then a Glock.
esh325 1 year ago
learn to reload a gun
12Janar12 1 year ago
uhhhh were you trying to chamber a mak round in the glock17, cant be done as mak ammo is larger in diameter than lugar
certhaltomcity 1 year ago
glock is better than russian marakov ... Modern technology it used.
But marakov is small .
SEMJASE7777 1 year ago
@SEMJASE7777 We have a russian phrase, which can be translated as: do not compare finger with ass. :)
asznam 1 year ago
glock is better than russian marakov ... Modern technology it used
SEMJASE7777 1 year ago
makarov is good but the GLOCK can shoot under water G-18 FULL AUTO
wert15299 1 year ago
HQ Video
Eugen3301 1 year ago
kavali :D
iskamdaznam 1 year ago
Makarov pistols, "Stalin Specials". They were , and still are, deadly like Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin from 1929 until his death in 1953. Heres to the Stalin Special.Comrades.
TINY2ACTIVE 1 year ago
Makarov ATW!!!
Slic3R1 1 year ago
makarov is actually more reliable from my experience, like glocks are ultra reliable and so is makarov, but, makarov has better magazines and NEVER have failure to feeds.
elitesack 1 year ago
Makarovs don't explode when you shoot them.
dreadful0chicken 1 year ago
@dreadful0chicken As long as you use factory loads, glocks don't either. Also that's only with the .40 and VERY few .45's, not 9mm like the makarov (i know, 9x18). Just to be safe... just get a 1911!
robs104 1 year ago
he held the makarov looking down and the glock straight thats why the glock jammed
spankymge 1 year ago
@spankymge No, that has nothing to do with it. What do you think happens when a gun is fired? Do you thing the muzzle points itself down to reload? Please don't talk like you know anything about firearms.
robs104 1 year ago
@robs104 for one fuck you. if your going to compare 2 guns in a video have them chamber the round the same way . so watch the video again .
spankymge 1 year ago
@spankymge Once again, It makes no difference which way the firearm is oriented. Especially these, both being known for their reliability under adverse conditions, including upside down, sideways, pointing up/down (GASP!). Also, the "fuck you" was uncalled for, I was simply pointing out your dumbas logic. I don't need to watch the video again, either the glock is very broken or he is using out of spec ammo. Fuck you too, have a nice day.
robs104 1 year ago
There is something wrong with the Glock trigger it's all the way back. Also it never moves when he is racking the slide. It almost acts like the wrong ammo is being used as well, Or barrel. Because in the first part he shakes the pistol and there is a sound like something moving time 0.03 . Watch the trigger also. Something is wrong. Or rigged. My Glock's will all load even with a slow slide release even with big hollow points. Even with unloaded cases it still will cycle.
ylism 1 year ago
@ylism I putt a 9x18 Makarov in a Glock 9mm and it did the same thing. The Makarov is a .36 cal. The 9mm is a.355 cal so that could also be the cause. It will also also allow the trigger to stay back in the fired position like in the video. But does not account for the sound made when shaken in the first 6 seconds by the Glock . This seems to be rigged video. yl
ylism 1 year ago
Instead of pulling back on the slide and pushing it forward, which he evidently did. He should pull it back and let go. Almost and most pistols and guns will jam if you force it forward.
Foxworthy32 1 year ago
the trigger guard is different to the real makarov PM
mantuve1 1 year ago
the trigger guard is diferent like my real makarov PM
mantuve1 1 year ago
lol glock win only in counter strike)))))))))
pavel280488AA 1 year ago
Glocks: giving civilians access to grenades since the introduction of the G22.
missmorganphoenix 1 year ago
Ok, I can't let this lie.. The tester either didn't know how to use a glock (or any handgun for that matter) or is being biased and rigging the test. You do not hang on to the slide of your side arm while chambering a round... This is hand gun 101 stuff... Don't get me wrong, I like the markarov, however, the test is either rigged or completely in error.
GhostWolf556 1 year ago
@GhostWolf556 True. My thoughts where the same.
ylism 1 year ago
No fan of Glock... but it is quite a nice piece of equipment. Never heard of the Makarov being comparable. It seems a bit like Notre Dame playing a high school team from Podunk. The best reason to use a Makarov is that you don't have any choice. In any case I prefer something else.
TheTruckinDuck 1 year ago
I don't like glocks for the simple reason of I like to have total controll of the hammer.
KironStrife 2 years ago
Glocks don't have hammers, external or internal.
bobbytimberlake 1 year ago
@bobbytimberlake Then how do they fire?
KironStrife 1 year ago
@KironStrife Glocks, like Springfield XDs and most other modern polymer pistols, are striker fired. It's a spring-loaded horizontal bar that hits the firing pin.
bobbytimberlake 1 year ago
The test proves nothing.
Load the gun properly and it won't do that.
Plus, I'm willing to bet the recoil spring in your GLOCK is very worn out and isn't helping pull the slide forward hard enough.
Replace your recoil spring and you shouldn't have anymore issues.
For what it's worth my G19 doesn't do this, so the problem is either your gun is worn out or you are making it fail on purpose.
hydrashok556 2 years ago
Yes this happened with my G17 and 10 year old nephew,but after a few times he learned and now is doing well
P.s he did the same with my cz-52
mantuve1 2 years ago
What does this really prove?? Nobody racks a pistol this way. You pull the slide and let it snap back, chambering the round. You don't ride it back down. If you do it takes longer and you will probably be dead before you get off a single shot. Something to think about.
1039sflem 2 years ago
@1039sflem Letting the slide release under it it's own tension also prevents jams.
TCFan25 1 year ago
Never had a malfunction from my Glock 21 after 1K rounds, never had a malfunction from my Makarov after 500+ rounds. The G21 fires a .45 and has a 13 round capacity so it has the advantage of a superior caliber and more rounds. The Makarov has the advantage of being compact with a better grip. Both are accurate.
ShootinArn 2 years ago
I've seen Glocks jam round after round when held with a weak grip - the video here demonstrates this problem beautifully by "riding" the slide forward with resistance.
This jamming typically doesn't happen with male shooters, but it is very common with female shooters with weak or tentative grips.
fpjames 2 years ago
abe brat nqma kakvo da gi sravnqva6 tiq pistoleti. ako vsi4ko opira do nadejdnost vseki znae 4e makara e ne nai- nadejdniq pistolet a e nai-nadejdnoto ognestrelno orajie. po-nadejden i ot kalashnik. iznosvaneto na chastite na makara zapo4va sled 500K iztrel.vijdal sam glockve na po 14K iztrela i ve4e ne stavat
beethovenmetalhead 2 years ago
If you impact a round farther into the cartridge than it comes at the factory, and then try to load it into the breach, it will catch like that. Factory spec ammo won't jam in a glock. I've fired over 5k rounds through a glock and not had a single malfunction of gun or ammo. I can't say that about any other gun I own.
canisdormit 2 years ago
Well actually i use Glock 19 about 2 years , and without any trouble ...
0407177 2 years ago
makarov the best gun :)
MarioBasta 2 years ago 29
i use a makarov for conceal carry because it does live on after glocks have long failed, plus its grip doesnt suck balls, and it doesnt come with some fag trigger safety
megadeth22885 2 years ago
jealousy breeds contempt......I know
Alexn1067 2 years ago
ummmm no. I can purpously jam ANY weapon like he did with that glock. Epic fail
6Human6Animal6 2 years ago
umm maybe he was just demonstrating that with this weapon you can ride the slide for a silent round loading? But unless all these peaple posting how bad this "test" is can actually understand what he's saying, why is everyone ASSuming? I didn't see the title say test anywhere myself and VS is another way to say compare and contrast. So maybe he's just showing a quiet loading for those who carry empty chamber, who knows?
bwinterb 2 years ago
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е това е адреса четете и в тоя форум
polariss2000 2 years ago
Гилза без фаска заклинва в иглата, бунаци!
Научете български език!
п.п.Няколко лумпенско-педерастки постинга изтрих...
polariss2000 2 years ago
comparing these pistols is like apples and oranges
Makarov= easy to conceal and carry, holds less rounds
Glock= bulky as hell, holds more rounds
They are both simple and robust pistols so its really all about your needs and preferences
Me, I am a cool dude, so I'll chose the M1911A1 45 pistol and blow away both the asshole with the glock and the asshole with the Makarov together....sending them straight to hell with their bitch-like pistols
Alexn1067 2 years ago
Epic fail.
magnum13337 2 years ago
Then you stand in front of that Makarov as a round is sent off. You wont stand very long.
wolfattack402000 2 years ago
truth be told wolf, I wouldn't want to stand in front of any loaded gun
Alexn1067 2 years ago
to tell you the truth you are exactly right. I respect your opinion but I would prefer the Glock by a little but the makarov is probably the second best. Makarov = Official Russian Pistol again, Cheap, easy conceal, easy disassembly and cleanin, and incredibly accurate, and for its size it could easily kill a a full grown man so I agree 100% with your comparison
fjtrkdjffg 2 years ago 3
Makarov=MEH
Tokarev=EPIC WIN
Zombie1213 2 years ago 2
But APS is more of a epic win...
TchotchkeSoldier 2 years ago
makarov wins.
danysniper22 2 years ago
Wwhat kind of test was this? I have never seen a Glock do that. I have seen a Makarov do it though, lol
Tornfrombelow 2 years ago
I can make every handgun I own jam if I ride the slide foreward like that too. Thats why you pull it back and let it fly.
icebonesridesagain 2 years ago
As much as I like Russians guns sorry the makarov is nothing compared to the glock.
esh325 2 years ago 2
The updated Makarov PMM holds 12 rounds in a double-stack magazine, keeps the same reliability as the old design, compact, sleek profile, and light weight.
I'd say it's better to compare that model to a Glock than the outdated PM.
SiroDra 2 years ago
Really not a good comparison.
The Makarov is known for being a good fighting pistol, but let's keep things real.
Glocks are offered in more calibers and sizes. Glocks carry more rounds per magazine. Glocks are used worldwide by many special forces, and LE units.
The Makarov is a dated design that, while dependable, has seen it's time in the sun.
Which would you rather have. 7 rounds of 9x18mm in a Makarov, or 17 rounds of 9x19mm in a Glock?
Makarov is good, but Glock is a better platform.
millerusaf 2 years ago 2
JBullitt, абе ти сляп ли си бе лумпен дебилен?
polariss2000 2 years ago
all you have shown is you don't know how to work a gun
how about you don't ride the slide it works a lot better
the glock is 10 times better than the other gay gun you have
pballer391 2 years ago
bravo na balgarina
kaloyan50 2 years ago
Kind of like apples and oranges don't you think?
cameljoe212 2 years ago
E pa balgarsko e! No gloka zapinia taka samo s kalpawi patroni...
polariss2000 2 years ago
a kopele tva klip4e e Bulgarsko NICE :D
P.S. Makarov is the best gun ever
pardonio 2 years ago
dumdass shouldn't handle guns. that's the point
sigurd83 3 years ago
in gun storage!
OGRON47 3 years ago
that was retarded. you are a dumbfuck
762x54rgun 3 years ago 2
Glock to szmelc, makarov is king !!!
sergiej794 3 years ago
im sorry but while he babied the slide on the glock ive fired both and ill take the makarov over the glock any day, i just shoot better with it, the more convenient mag release and high cap mags wont matter if you hit the target with your first bullet.
marcab1an 3 years ago
makarov is better all ways !
OGRON47 3 years ago
no its not
AdmiralGST 3 years ago
yes it is ! this gun has really interesing history !
OGRON47 3 years ago
glock is more accurate, more accessorys, more replacement parts, more ammo choices, more common ammo, larger magazine capacity, better sights, considering you can get many different choices, you can hunt with a glock legally, they come in different sizes, glocks are alot more reliable then seen in this video. plus they have many uses like as a submachine gun, carbine, conceal carry, hunting, and as a proven service sidearm.
AdmiralGST 3 years ago
Damn it ! are you work in S.W.A.T or something ? Makarov is 100% better it have easier system then glock !
OGRON47 3 years ago 3
i'm not in swat, i'm a to-be gun expert and how is it 100% better? the glock is a very simple gun to field strip.
AdmiralGST 3 years ago
it have easier system ! this is primitive pistol ! but glock isin't
OGRON47 3 years ago 3
primitive, outdated in other words, the glock is a safer pistol to have one in the chamber. and still, how is it 100% better?
AdmiralGST 3 years ago
100% in this that makarov (russian) have easier system and really good saftey !
OGRON47 3 years ago 5
define easier for me please. and the glocks are safer, keep the finger off the trigger and it won't fire. if your concered about saftey then get a saftey installed.
AdmiralGST 3 years ago
In my opinion, not a fair comparison. The Glock is a much newer pistol designed for combat. However, overall, the Glock is a better weapon IMO, simply because it is newer and has features that Makarov can't simply due to it being outdated.
And that's not bias - I'm a big fan of the Makarov, it's a good gun in its own right, and I own one.
JasonRedfield 3 years ago
i havn't had the pleasure of shooting one and i've only fired 5 rounds through a glock (.45 ACP Glock 30) its just that even though the makarov is a good gun, i believe its better than the makarov and i was helping someone see that its not the best.
AdmiralGST 3 years ago
I can respect that, but chances are, when it comes to guns, you'll have a hard time of convincing most people to change their views.
Kind of like politics, but a LOT more fun...
JasonRedfield 3 years ago
that reminds me, one time i was talking to some lib and when i asked what he thought made obama so good he said "hes gonna do, stuff"
AdmiralGST 3 years ago
awesome story bro! (thumbs up to you)
rodmofo 2 years ago
dude
i nver saw any makarovs fire with out been shot
only forner copy of it like iraqs...
Twikster007 2 years ago
what?
AdmiralGST 2 years ago
It's hard to find a gun that won't jam up when you ride the slide forward like that. Hell even my AK jams when I ride the bolt forward. Doesn't mean they're any more or less reliable when used correctly.
JoshuaC 3 years ago 17
We know English! You learn bulgarian language to understand the problem.
polariss2000 3 years ago
learn english. your now in the EU
kososvakid 3 years ago
It doesn't mean we all need to know english!
And every country should save their culture also the language...EU means nothing.
Cheburdac 3 years ago
why english? EU is a part of england? )
ooroborus 3 years ago