You focus is on the Communication Tower's themselves. Don't worry !!! There are many more antennas for cellular communications installed on buildings, in church steeples, water tanks, stealth enclosures installed on the tops of buildings that you would not even know they are wireless communications systems. Our cellular and wirless communications is not 100%dependant on communication towers. Rest easy, Thanks for the video very informative
Losing the towers wouldn't affect your cable or satellite tv and radio. So you wouldn't be totally cut off from information sources. As for cell phones people got along fine without them before the pesty things came into existence.
Another terrif editing job, and your commentary is interesting. Its a good discussion of Phoenix, communications, urban growth- did I forget anything? Very insightful, jr, thanks.
Is the a "hidden Valley" hike right there? I did it in 1990 with a toddler. You drop right into a arroyo that you cant see and you are gone- I almost lost my family!
We also take for granted that we live in a country where we can drive right up to these things. In most countries you can't get near them. As a student of history I think you understand the significance of that.
They paved it up alright and another consequence is the mountains surrounding us basically are brush and they do get the torrential rains, which just rolls in sheets down the mountain. When it hits the paved urban floor, we have street flooding because it doesn't soak in.
This could be a rabbit hole, but after 3 cups of coffee, my filter's too jittery to work...
On some level, whether spoken or unspoken, the native Americans we chased out (can't believe we still refer to them as "Indians") have to be saying "told ya so."
Okay, I'll go back to my liberal pacifist college boy corner now.
One fourth of Arizona belongs to Native Americans and they have been warning us and now are just disgusted.
To me any reasonable person can see that this is a desert and has limitations. We're arrogant to think we can keep violating laws of nature. I hate that's become politicized and to me it's not a liberal, conservative, pacifist pov but a common sense one.
What we do with all these abandoned or deteriorating structures, I have no idea. It's like ken's seals on the beach...
I'm sure every urban area has a similar situation with all the communications facilities lumped together on one high bit of land. They almost certainly put TV and radio communications in a vulnerable situation, but are we relying on those installations for phone / cell phone / internet? I don't think so, but I'm not certain.
Phoenix is typical of just about everywhere. In the 1920s it was obvious to put the first radio station towers in these locations. Then it was tv and at the same time the Bell System was building the huge LD network after WWII so they put microwave in same places. Then cell towers came next. Internet is routed through everything so...yes and most cities do rely on these for primary location.
After 9-11 the federal govt did pour millions in securing locations, upgrading 911 emer etc. across US.
I just commented to Curt that all these abandoned or deteriorating structures remind me of those seals on the beach...
I wish we could get the terms "environmental", "green", etc out of the political maelstrom. Taking care of where we live should not be a liberal or conservative concept but a common sense one.
Wow JR what a lovely view, I liked the very tall cacti in the middle of the view too lol.
I would think that if they have survived for that long they must have a few more years in them yet. If they havent been burnt down so far maybe they never will.
I love the editing part of making videos. ITs fun.
that's actually a young saguaro meaning it's only about 60-80 years old and the big ones you see in pictures are a couple of hundred so they're survivors.
Well at least it looks like there isn't too much around them to catch on fire? I'm not familiar with how things burn in desert like conditions though either.
The paraglider was very cool, and you kept the camera steady. ;)
When you're standing there you realize all the dry brush that's on the ground that you don't really notice. That's the real fire danger because it's like a carpet that spreads the fire to the few trees and there you have it. Same in California.
Years ago when lightning protection wasn't so great up there...they were giant lightning rods! One time in the 70s the entire valley was without tv, radio, telephone microwave because of multiple lightning strikes.
...That was my lucky day up there...got lots of material for the clip file. Got good vid of the paraglider, he buzzed me and showed off for me while I was videoing him! So another vid but that will take a bit of editing work.
Onto a vlog to straighten you out! hahahaha! (j/k)
The way I see it...if they go down, they go down and nothing I can do about it...so...just go with the flow and don't worry about things like that! It will drive you crazy! :-) Just looking at that desert made me sweat! hahaha! I'm taking a break from the village work today...I deserve it...:-) Enjoyed your vid, JR! Nice shot of the hang glider too! :-)
I don't worry about it because If they go, they go. Actually quite a few years ago there were really bad lightning strikes up there and knowcked everything out for days. Amazing...people survived!
Lots of vid of para glider so that's another vid. I have some ideas but probably will need help and more ideas from you and Marc.
I know those towers are needed and very important but what a shame to have them competing with that beautiful view. ( but if you squint they almost look like catus) ; ) Good video.
Oh JR..you have got to do that ! I fell in love with the Upper Peninsula of Mich when we went there last year. Can't wait to go back. Late Sept or early Oct...no crowds or traffic.
The tags are bugging me because when the video is loading and processing and I'm editing the vid info, tags, etc it either doesn't save and it also messes tags up including the order they're in. Then I have to redo them all again when it's finished processing, I'm frustrated with it. Is that a known error I haven't heard of?
In the 60s and 70s it was around 6-7 towers of radio, tv and microwave but has grown even more than what you see here. The event 9-11 raised an awareness I think.
I'm really enjoying your videos JR, I have learned more about Phoenix from these videos than i ever knew before. I can't imagine how hot it is there...
How long does it take you to travel to the next City in any direction?
Good! I achieved one of my goals, to show Phoenix and Arizona in video. Thanks for saying that.
Phoenix metro is ringed by suburban cities and years ago there was space in between them but now it's one large urban mass. It's difficult to tell when you're moving from one city to another here.
So I'd say the next real city is Tucson, which is 75 miles due south. Realistically it's about a 2 hour drive but I regularly did it in 1 1/2 hours.
Trish this is a classic western American city...a large metropolitan area geographically in the center of the state. In these states population concentrates in one large city and then a smaller one. A lot of the rest is just like the movies, wide open spaces!
btw I'm also enjoying your videos like the one to Beeston Castle. I'm thinking this is the way we'll be traveling for awhile in this economy! Do keep doing those.
Jr I can't imagine living in the south where there are so many forests and beautiful trees and moving to a desert. Your editing skills are really great. I have missed your videos and am so glad to see you are back again.
We lost power for a sweltering day last summer due to bushfires. One afternoon was hell,the power had had to be deliberately turned off,because there was no way to access them(we get a lot of our power from interstate)when the fires eventually passed it was turned back on,but just that taste was truly horrible.Not looking foward to this season,they've told us to expect worse! :(
On that note,I really do hope you're well!Love the editing!
JR,
You focus is on the Communication Tower's themselves. Don't worry !!! There are many more antennas for cellular communications installed on buildings, in church steeples, water tanks, stealth enclosures installed on the tops of buildings that you would not even know they are wireless communications systems. Our cellular and wirless communications is not 100%dependant on communication towers. Rest easy, Thanks for the video very informative
TowerBabeNY 2 years ago
Thanks for helping the trouble makers ....lol
kidblood1 2 years ago
I get the feeling they already figured it out...hahaha!
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
Hi jr!
Losing the towers wouldn't affect your cable or satellite tv and radio. So you wouldn't be totally cut off from information sources. As for cell phones people got along fine without them before the pesty things came into existence.
flyhghgy 2 years ago
and the old PSTN wireline phone network still will work...
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
And we can always fall back on the tin cans with string.
flyhghgy 2 years ago
It is so easy to topple one of them - it is not easy to get comunications back up. So at least a week with nothing coming in if they get toasted.
mymoosejaw 2 years ago
Another terrif editing job, and your commentary is interesting. Its a good discussion of Phoenix, communications, urban growth- did I forget anything? Very insightful, jr, thanks.
livelifealwaystoo 2 years ago
So a city thats too hot scares away rain storms? Ironic.
livelifealwaystoo 2 years ago
Yup it does. We get a few big raindrops. Obviously they do come in sometimes but not like they used to!
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
Why is Phoenix so hard to spell?
livelifealwaystoo 2 years ago
Were the towers in LA in mesquite like these? How bad is a fire in mesquite? Probably burns really hot, but not very high.
livelifealwaystoo 2 years ago
Is the a "hidden Valley" hike right there? I did it in 1990 with a toddler. You drop right into a arroyo that you cant see and you are gone- I almost lost my family!
livelifealwaystoo 2 years ago
Marvelous view from up there.
And look at how much brush is surrounding those towers... yeah, this is stuff I've taken for granted.
RE: the latter half of this video...
I can't help but sing that Joni Mitchell tune, "they paved paradise and put up a parking lot."
OhCurt 2 years ago
We also take for granted that we live in a country where we can drive right up to these things. In most countries you can't get near them. As a student of history I think you understand the significance of that.
They paved it up alright and another consequence is the mountains surrounding us basically are brush and they do get the torrential rains, which just rolls in sheets down the mountain. When it hits the paved urban floor, we have street flooding because it doesn't soak in.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
This could be a rabbit hole, but after 3 cups of coffee, my filter's too jittery to work...
On some level, whether spoken or unspoken, the native Americans we chased out (can't believe we still refer to them as "Indians") have to be saying "told ya so."
Okay, I'll go back to my liberal pacifist college boy corner now.
;-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
One fourth of Arizona belongs to Native Americans and they have been warning us and now are just disgusted.
To me any reasonable person can see that this is a desert and has limitations. We're arrogant to think we can keep violating laws of nature. I hate that's become politicized and to me it's not a liberal, conservative, pacifist pov but a common sense one.
What we do with all these abandoned or deteriorating structures, I have no idea. It's like ken's seals on the beach...
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
Ah, Ken's beach vlog... yeah, GOOD comparison.
Kinda boring that we're so much in agreement. Maybe we should discuss something like MTV vs. VH1... ah, nevermind - they all suck rocks now anyway.
;-P
OhCurt 2 years ago
Thank gawd we're more in agreement with all the conflict between left vs right at an apex right now.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
Amen to that.
OhCurt 2 years ago
I'm sure every urban area has a similar situation with all the communications facilities lumped together on one high bit of land. They almost certainly put TV and radio communications in a vulnerable situation, but are we relying on those installations for phone / cell phone / internet? I don't think so, but I'm not certain.
Great hang-glider footage!
kenrg 2 years ago
Phoenix is typical of just about everywhere. In the 1920s it was obvious to put the first radio station towers in these locations. Then it was tv and at the same time the Bell System was building the huge LD network after WWII so they put microwave in same places. Then cell towers came next. Internet is routed through everything so...yes and most cities do rely on these for primary location.
After 9-11 the federal govt did pour millions in securing locations, upgrading 911 emer etc. across US.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
I just commented to Curt that all these abandoned or deteriorating structures remind me of those seals on the beach...
I wish we could get the terms "environmental", "green", etc out of the political maelstrom. Taking care of where we live should not be a liberal or conservative concept but a common sense one.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
What a wonderful video, making all of us more aware of Pheonix and it's potential problems. Beautifully shot and edited my man! Kudos to you.
TamHickey67 2 years ago
Why thanks Tam! We're still making our way here as all the world is. Hope all is well there.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
Wow JR what a lovely view, I liked the very tall cacti in the middle of the view too lol.
I would think that if they have survived for that long they must have a few more years in them yet. If they havent been burnt down so far maybe they never will.
I love the editing part of making videos. ITs fun.
realnutty01 2 years ago
that's actually a young saguaro meaning it's only about 60-80 years old and the big ones you see in pictures are a couple of hundred so they're survivors.
Editing has been the best thing for me in years!
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
LOL interesting tags.
Well at least it looks like there isn't too much around them to catch on fire? I'm not familiar with how things burn in desert like conditions though either.
The paraglider was very cool, and you kept the camera steady. ;)
Maiyanna 2 years ago
When you're standing there you realize all the dry brush that's on the ground that you don't really notice. That's the real fire danger because it's like a carpet that spreads the fire to the few trees and there you have it. Same in California.
Years ago when lightning protection wasn't so great up there...they were giant lightning rods! One time in the 70s the entire valley was without tv, radio, telephone microwave because of multiple lightning strikes.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
...That was my lucky day up there...got lots of material for the clip file. Got good vid of the paraglider, he buzzed me and showed off for me while I was videoing him! So another vid but that will take a bit of editing work.
Onto a vlog to straighten you out! hahahaha! (j/k)
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
The high vantage point adds a unique perspective on those below. Man is a resourceful and adaptable communal creature.
robertpina99 2 years ago
A great reminder of our ability to rise above seemingly impossible circumstances.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
The way I see it...if they go down, they go down and nothing I can do about it...so...just go with the flow and don't worry about things like that! It will drive you crazy! :-) Just looking at that desert made me sweat! hahaha! I'm taking a break from the village work today...I deserve it...:-) Enjoyed your vid, JR! Nice shot of the hang glider too! :-)
GreatGig1 2 years ago
I don't worry about it because If they go, they go. Actually quite a few years ago there were really bad lightning strikes up there and knowcked everything out for days. Amazing...people survived!
Lots of vid of para glider so that's another vid. I have some ideas but probably will need help and more ideas from you and Marc.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
I know those towers are needed and very important but what a shame to have them competing with that beautiful view. ( but if you squint they almost look like catus) ; ) Good video.
giaco44094 2 years ago
You know in California they have these awful fake Palm Trees to "hide" cell towers. Course they look like a plastic palm tree that is a cell tower!
One of the top trips we want to make in our lifetime is a road trip around the Great Lakes.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
Oh JR..you have got to do that ! I fell in love with the Upper Peninsula of Mich when we went there last year. Can't wait to go back. Late Sept or early Oct...no crowds or traffic.
giaco44094 2 years ago
Everyone says good things about the UP!
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
5awesomebears? r u srs? lolol
achampag 2 years ago
are you making fun of me in my own comment section?
I'm trying to get the "in memory of" vids of family named Snyder off of my "related videos."
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
damn i was hoping that was an actual channel
try not having jrsnyder as the first tag. i think tag order may be important.
achampag 2 years ago
The tags are bugging me because when the video is loading and processing and I'm editing the vid info, tags, etc it either doesn't save and it also messes tags up including the order they're in. Then I have to redo them all again when it's finished processing, I'm frustrated with it. Is that a known error I haven't heard of?
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
Wow, that's a lot of towers. I can see why you have fears for their safety. They do look pretty vulnerable don't they?
Thanks for the tour & the info. Good stuff :)
andymooseman 2 years ago
In the 60s and 70s it was around 6-7 towers of radio, tv and microwave but has grown even more than what you see here. The event 9-11 raised an awareness I think.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
I'm really enjoying your videos JR, I have learned more about Phoenix from these videos than i ever knew before. I can't imagine how hot it is there...
How long does it take you to travel to the next City in any direction?
twish1999 2 years ago
Good! I achieved one of my goals, to show Phoenix and Arizona in video. Thanks for saying that.
Phoenix metro is ringed by suburban cities and years ago there was space in between them but now it's one large urban mass. It's difficult to tell when you're moving from one city to another here.
So I'd say the next real city is Tucson, which is 75 miles due south. Realistically it's about a 2 hour drive but I regularly did it in 1 1/2 hours.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
Trish this is a classic western American city...a large metropolitan area geographically in the center of the state. In these states population concentrates in one large city and then a smaller one. A lot of the rest is just like the movies, wide open spaces!
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
btw I'm also enjoying your videos like the one to Beeston Castle. I'm thinking this is the way we'll be traveling for awhile in this economy! Do keep doing those.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
Jr I can't imagine living in the south where there are so many forests and beautiful trees and moving to a desert. Your editing skills are really great. I have missed your videos and am so glad to see you are back again.
Dlorezzz 2 years ago
When I went to the south the first time I was actually overwhelmed by how very green with lots of trees it was. Kudzu everywhere too!
Thanks so much Delores for being so kind.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
We lost power for a sweltering day last summer due to bushfires. One afternoon was hell,the power had had to be deliberately turned off,because there was no way to access them(we get a lot of our power from interstate)when the fires eventually passed it was turned back on,but just that taste was truly horrible.Not looking foward to this season,they've told us to expect worse! :(
On that note,I really do hope you're well!Love the editing!
gleegirloz 2 years ago
We have that happen here, a power station is surrounded by brush fire and they have to cut power so it doesn't explode or whatever they do.
I suppose you're heading into fire season and we're more or less on the way out.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago