Yeah dude. How do you know it was nothingness before the big bang? There could have been 10000000000 year old universe that collapsed on itself before our universe started to expand
If you want a good debate, hit me up on twitter @RonaldvonMitch. I have studied this question a great deal. The answers are very simple, and they are all based on real science. Yes I have written a book on this answer. I have noticed that many people that base there opinons on creation are afraid to debate with people of science. Are you afraid?
This is what I heard- "Why? How? Why?"- if you're asking these questions, it's because you don't have an answer. I believe we should look and look and look, for an answer- not create one because our current shortage of answers. Just like you, yes, I'm not sure how and why, but that gives me no reason to believe in a god, especially not the god of anything any man has ever written or spoke, but it's obvious in our day and age that the gods of mans religion are all bullshit.
You need to understand that time is NOT "part of the universe and began with the big bang".
Time is a construct.
It was developed to measure relative existence at a galactic velocity.
We created various methods to give a focal point and measurements.
The universe is composed of light and various precipitous matter that originates from octets of light. Splitting matter produces light. Changing light variables produces matter.
Ask urself, What made god? What did god do before he "created" stuff?
you know what would be cool. If one day I stood outside and watched the air. And then POOF! a tiny civilization of ants started building and creating a whole new world out of NOTHING! wow!
@Endead9 "lol atheists are still going on about something coming from nothing?"
actually is the theists who claim god created everything from nothing.
Atheists admit they don't know what caused the big bang. Better to say you don't know rather than make wild unsubstantiated guesses of a 'god' which says precisely nothing!
As nobody knows what happened 'prior to' the big bang, postulating a god has as much meaning or evidence as anything else.
If there was truly 'nothing' at this point in time then there could also not have been a god either, as a god is something!
I don't accept that there is a god - certainly no evidence for one, but if there was such a creator the idea that it is anything like any of the 'gods' that humans have dreamt up is highly unlikely.
As impossible as it may be to imagine something appearring from nothing, to idea of a God, who seems to do this as an occupation it seemed, because he could, is far more implausable... Where did God originate, why does he/she/it have the ability to make his/her thoughts a reality, such as imagining something like time and space, and saying "Yeah, I think I'll invent those". It isn't an argument that'll win over many athiests im afraid.
The fundamental flaw with atheists is their claim that God does not exist based on science. The problem with this is that science can only comment on that which can be measured or observed. Obviously God can not be measured or observed but that does not mean he does not exist. Belief in God goes beyond the realm of science and is based on faith. Belief that no God exists is also based on faith.
@MrMaxTruth Atheists do not necessarily believe nothing made the universe from nothing. The truth is nobody knows and we are willing to admit that we don't know.
Also, if it requires faith to believe that something can come from nothing then religious people must also have that faith because they believe god came from nothing and that he simply exists.
There is no point in assuming god created the universe because it does not solve anything.
@humpfry24 If you admit that you do not know how the universe came about then by definition you have to allow for the "possibility" that a Creator did make the universe. You can therfore not conclude definitvley that God does not exist.
@MrMaxTruth I do allow for the possibility that a creator made the universe. But there is no good evidence to back up this claim, and until there is good evidence I will not assume there is a creator. I cannot prove that god doesn't exist but there is no reason to believe that he does.
@MrMaxTruth "Obviously God can not be measured or observed but that does not mean he does not exist." Then you have no way of 'knowing' if god does exist! Therefore it is simply a guess.
Yes belief in god is based on faith.
Belief there is 'no god' is based on the fact that there is no evidence for one.
Er that is not faith - just logic.
It is illogical to believe in something for which there is no evidence. It might make you feel better or hope there is a god, but it's still simply a guess.
@mtbee9 Science can not comment on the supernatural or personal experience. Most theists base their belief based on personal experience, and to them God is as real as the nose on your face. Lack of scientific evidence is therfore not evidence .Ironicly Science can not answer how nothing created the Universe out of nothing - no evidence exists yet Atheists still cling to their atheism despite the lack of evidence. Why - once again - like the theist the atheist relies on "faith."
@MrMaxTruth "Science can not answer how nothing created the Universe out of nothing"
Better to say you don't know than make an illogical guess at something for which you zero evidence and claim it to be true. That's not faith, simply a statement of fact.
Maybe one day science will find out what caused the big bang - religion certainly isn't finding any answers!
I'd rather say I don't know than use my ignorance to pretend that somehow it gives a reason to say 'god did it'!
@MrMaxTruth "you can not say God does not exist , at best, you can say he "may" not exist"
Actually everybody is Agnostic as nobody can prove god exists or does not exist.
So what I always come back to is the evidence. When there is some evidence for god on any other mythological creature then I'll consider it.
Until then the Earth still orbits the sun, plants and animals are born and die, and there are many truths we can accept based on the evidence. As for any god - no evidence yet.
@MrMaxTruth no, at best we can say there is no evidence that god exists, or infact that alot of the biblical stories took place, outside of the bible of course, which leads us to wonder what makes christians so sure that their interpretation of god is correct when their holy book is so frequently incorrect.
but how can a god be there? where did he come from? I dont think its a logical statement to make up a god because we dont understand something. We need to do more research but saying a god created everything doesnt cut it for me as logical. I did appreciate your video it was a good view from the religious side.
and despite some people's arrogance to be an 'elite' I feel most atheists are good people. You may even have good friends who are atheists but do not know... don't get the wrong impression by those biggots.
How do you know the creator is your God; God can be anything one wishes to define. I have a question though, can we really ever know the beginning without assuming? It is illogical in itself to assume your God did it as it is illogical for scientists to say the universe came from the big bang. And can our brains ever br able to comprehend the beginnings? In such a large universe, I doubt we are the most intelligent or advanced (ridiulously small chance that we are...)
Firstly, what's there to say that there was a beginning and that it didn't always exist? Two things:
1) Why would you think through /this/ situation logically, but others illogically? As in, why not consider evolution or the age of the world logically? This may not be a question for you.. but it seems as if creationists use science when it best fits their situation, and ignore it elsewhere.
2) Perhaps one could argue a creator exists. How would this prove the Christian creator?
Read Lawrence Krauss "A universe from nothing." Its perfectly natural for quantum fluctuation to cause a universe, or other universes. You ask, "why is there something?" The big bang was infinitely small like a sub atomic particle. Now quantum mechanics will prove to you that these particles do appear, FOR NO REASON, WITH NO CAUSE. Its not a miracle, its natural, quantum physics. Dont make a argument from ignorance and call it god or bring faith into it. God is obviously the least likely cause.
Matter, time, energy nor space existed before "The Big Bang Theory." So how could there be fluctuations of anything? When there is absolutely nothing, its just that, nothing. The Big Bang Theory requires more faith than any religion, in a sense that quantum fluctuation created itself. Many scientists do not even buy it.
@birdsfly231 How successful would a cosmologist be with using language to explain what a planck space is? How about with half of the mathematical words we currently have? You are using a poverty stricken language to make sense out of infinity, 'before time and space' -These are concepts for physics and mathematics. Its not concerned with philosophy, or how confused you are. We successfully TELEPORTED an atom. Now THAT is impossible by means of your reasoning as seen above. But we did it.
(contd.) The basis for all the theories, be it Big Bang, or God, or whichever theory one believes in, is the thirst to end the uncertainty of the reason for our existence, life, and matter. And till the reason is found, I choose to believe in "Nothingness" rather than God. it's a choice. that's it.
The Big Bang is not like a gospel for atheists. It's a theory. One of some probable theories that somehow garnered more trust because it seemed to explain a few other things. "God did it" somehow is not the most believable answer to all the unanswered questions. I respect the fact that you put across an opinion without being illogical and offensive. However, please understand this. (contd.)
@TheDyingApologist there was a slew of factors for the dark ages but honestly if there wasn't the fear of being persecutes don't you think wed have more great minds from that era? some of those you've mentioned kept their ideas to themselves for that reason. Also idk if we're deviated from the topic at this point or not im tired Lol. But gimme one instance where religion was used for the betterment of anything. Those scientist weren't great because of their religion
@TheDyingApologist shouldn't discredit how great of a mind he had* rather. i dont have a problem with Theist/Deist scientist. If you read up on any respectable scientist who is religious then youll find them to be very rational people. Hope you understand what im saying. Its late and i realize i could of worded all this a whole lot better
@TheDyingApologist you missunderstand me. I was talking about the early European catholic churches and how they oppressed science and creativity. Also, you forgot Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton as well. Newton occult studies were fair out there but that doesnt discredit how great of mind he had. Einstein also said "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Scriptures shouldn't be used as a stopping point for knowledge and understanding
The fact you have consciousness and not the other infinite other people that could have been is reason to rejoice alone. Living forever without pain, loss and suffering, is that really your idea of grandeur? How could you appreciate anything handed to you in the afterlife if all that wealth you acquire has so little value imho. My life is finite, i will cherish it because of that. Man has always coveted eternal life. The only reason to believe in theism is the "what if im wrong" a scare tactic
there was mather before the universe, but it was a big compresse ball of mather that exploded making the universe... at least thats what they belive it was
You went from stating "before the Big Bang" to stating "prior to the Big Bang". You are still caught in the same misconception. There is no "nothingness" outside the universe as described in modern cosmology. "Before (or prior to) the Big Bang" is like "north of the North Pole". Space/time seems to be finite, yet boundless, like the surface of a sphere. The Big Bang describes the state of the universe at a specific temporal coordinate, not a discrete moment of creation ex nihilo.
OK. If this guy was preaching thousands of years ago about theism, he wouldn't say "how was the universe created" he would say "HOW THE FUCK DOES THE SUN RISE??? EXPLAIN THAT!!!" but now, science CAN explain that, so they get new questions. We WILL know how the universe came to be one day. I wonder what questions they'll ask next?
as well as support for the weak. Dont take offense theist, im sure some if not most of you are great people. I respect your opinion Godlowdown but i implore you to read up some theoretical science that some worlds top physicist, which are addressing these very questions
id like to add one more thing if i can. this eternal bliss. From what i know is we understand happiness because of sadness, and heartache because of love. If there was eternal bliss and perfection how can you truly appreciate these things? my life is fulfilling not because i believe in eternal life, but because my life is finite and i do have a deep appreciation for the only life im giving and for others. i think religion is just a means to easily answer life's more harder questions
@TheStoicPoet At best bible is true. At worst the Quran is true and christians are doomed. In the middle you have all religion being false. If this is the case then it really doesn't matter. I will die happing thinking I am about to see G-D and with the knowledge that I led a fulfilling life. I will never learn other wise and any wrong I committed in my life is irrelevant. So what if religion is an easy way to answer hard questions? How does knowing the big bang is real improve my life?
@Reu360 id say that any knowledge is good knowledge. The whether the big bang may or may not have happen is less important than the truths that support the claim. Did the bible tell you about the expansion of the universe? did the bible give you the servers so that you may browse the internet? or modern medicine and proper hygienics/infrastructure so that the average life expectancy wasnt 25yo anymore? i dont think so. Having "god did it all" is a stopping point.
@Reu360 Re: its kind of a shitty way to life having your only reason to value anything in life is the benefits of afterlife. If religion had its way we'd still believe the world is flat and that the earth was the center of the universe. If religion had its way we'd still be living in the dark ages praying for healing when people drop dead of diseases while science and creativity stagnates due to the oppressive nature of religion. Look up the dark ages, courtesy of religion
Also, if got is outside of reason "being that he was before nothing and made matter/energy out from nothing" then he is unnatural. And if he is unnatural and cant be reasonably proven by our natural experiences of the known universe. For or against theism idk? i have no idea but you might be reasoning this wrong if he is unnatural he doesnt follow the same laws. I dont make wild claims and i havent been givin a reason to believe other than the all popular fear of eternal damnation
occams razor "among competing hypotheses, selecting the one that makes the fewest new assumptions usually provides the correct one, and that the simplest explanation will be the most plausible until evidence is presented to prove it false." science doesnt use "faith," we call it hypothesis. Read up on on string theory and multiple dimensions. Or you can just ask your bible for answers on theoretical science, which ever is easiest i suppose...
This is the oldest argument in the world. This is just a classic argument from ignorance. Even if you can make the argument that some entity (versus some cause) created the universe, this says nothing about the creator. It could be space aliens, Zeus, a really big bacteria from a prior universe, etc. And you also ignore the possibility that some thing near the end of our universe creates another universe - which is the start of our universe. In other words, time loops around.
The big bang is the furthest event to witch we can trace existence we dont know for sure that something did or did not exist before the event.
To make a wild assumption that an outside body or a supreme being created the current universe does not really solve the issue neither will stating there was nothing because we simply dont know best to just say we are not sure but we are working on it.
In short; We can verify everything until 1:1000th of a second after the big bang, then our physics fails. So in short: We can verify that there were a big bang, we cannot say what it was.
And no it is not logical to just replace "Not sure" with "There is a god"
You're just making the same mistake again. There is no 'prior' nor a 'before' the big bang. This isn't semantics, it's a failure on your part to truly understand what it means to say that time is inseparable from the universe. It might help you to think of it like this; the universe has existed for all time. There is no time when it didn't exist. You can not go further back in time than the big bang - not even conceptually, not even in principal.
All these points merely beg the question. You're just assuming that people know the answers to these questions and that intelligence will "find the answer". Nothing comes from nothing. Thats just a blind assumption because you have no idea how to explain this "Nothing" in the first place. You can only explain it based on a "lack of" something that you percieve in reality. So ask yourself. What is nothing? Can i understand it really? Quantify it? Then your moving towards better answers.
i hope you know that the universe was never empty i was a dense ball of energy, and since energy is more compact it was pressed to a ball and humans know that energy can make matter. so at one point it was so dense it exploded and made matter and the universe. look at some of stephen hawkings work or einstiens work you'll learn
If you're going to use the "logic" that god exists outside of time and space and is, therefore, able to create the universe, why must it be YOUR version of god? Couldn't have been Zeus, or Thor, or Allah, or even Satan existing outside of time and space who has brought about something out of nothing? Don't respond with some lame argument about how "the Bible says my god is the only true one!"; every other religion's text says the same thing, yet you don't believe in their gods.
Scientists never said there was "nothing", rather they said there is no way of knowing what was before the Big Bang. Is it too difficult to accept we may not be able to know something? And no, making up stories about magic beings and miracles does not count as "knowing".
your talking like the big bang was a spontaneous combustion, but have you thought that there may of been another universe before ours? scientists have already said there is a possibility of the universe closing in on itself so could it be possible that in billions of years time, our universe closes in on itself and through all the suns, planets and matter colliding with eachother that a new big bang could happen, this then could start off another universe. resetting time, thoughts?
Please do your homework before your next video. There was Energy before the big bang, it was just too hot for atoms to exist. Besides maybe you should consider that without nothing there cant be something. without black theres no white, without silence theres no music, and so on. Even if it can not be understood doesn't that its legitimate to claim theres a god. its always more logical and exiting to say "we don't know, so lets explore and use reason".
nothingness can exactly breed something! the theory of the big bang explains easily, that there was nothing before the big bang, but nothing split, it split into a positive and negative part. the positive part being, energy, and the negative part being dark energy. I dont claim to not the mathematics of the theory, but this should be common knowledge, and it explains exactly why nothingness could breed something, being positive and negative.
(this is not a troll comment, just an explaination.)
The big bang explains the cosmic evolution of the universe, but very little is known about the prior state of the universe, the singularity. I think that people should refrain from constructing arguments for or against god on the basis of what essentially is just an unknown.
Hey man, Congrads on the baby. THANK YOU for being respectful for this argument. I may be an Atheist myself, however there are the few of us that are able to dispute without negativity.
It's literally IMPOSSIBLE to answer that question.... if Space and Time came from nothing, surely so did God? You saying this translates (in my opinion) as to you saying God came from nothing? Who made God? Christian or atheist; not a single person will ever be able to answer this question....
fucking facepalm. There wasn't nothing before the Big Bang, there was an amazingly condensed collection of matter which exploded. For fuck's sake - do some research before you say retarded things on the intynets.
Because we can not answer a question at this point in 'history' does not mean that god is an appropriate default. I accept that as willful defeat and the lack of desire to find real answers personally. How often has god been given wrongful credit elsewhere while real dedicators to research find alternative, testable theories? eg: the creation (I prefer formation due to being misrepresented but you do not seem so petty to attack such words) of the earth or other planets?
Well, you can't apply Laws of our Universe outside of our Universe that is also a leap. Why should causality exists with nothingness, cause would required would already require two being that could interact as such one could be cause of a change in the other... If no being exist that law has now ground... Either way, even if we maintain that causality exists before matter it would be the infinite problem, what caused and and what causes that... IF god made it what is his cause?
Our mamalian primat limited brains are not capable to grasp or understand certain concepts or dimensions, so nothing is the only or the closest expression to describe it. In my mind what you describe as nothing is in fact something ...........incredible / unimaginable small,dens,hot.....singularity.
Accepting science is not faith, anything beyond, I say: I don't know - so again no faith. Walking on water etc. goes against what we know, defying physical laws, ridicilous even by faith
@Aleksamson Well it depends how you want to define both those words, nothing can se seen as either the state of non-being in a general sense, in other word, none existence within objective reality if that exists. or more actually in my opinion and perhaps yours things outside of human sensory, both external and internal. This would include external things, like Matter, Sounds, tastes, etc. and internal internal things, like thoughts.
@DsaiTheWhite However you define it. It's speculation & the point is-there's no faith.I don't know how,whay, was it nothing or something. If I understand,You accept Big.Bang, but clame that non beliver needs faith to explane the start ( from nothing ) You are filing the gap with god, while I say ''I don't know'' it doesn't mean I need faith to accept observable mesurable expanssion......if can;t explane how/why it started.
@Aleksamson I'm not using god as anything, that was just a device to show it would go on, until you sure that there is a thing which is either infinite and self motivating (meaning can set itself in motion) or you have to show that causality doesn't work outside our universe, in which case before applies as outside. I didn't say anything about faith, your projecting someone else argument against me. I'm not opposing your augment, I'm challenging it to better define it and understand.
@Aleksamson Sorry if you understood it that way, but I have an Aristotelian approach to to discussion, I find that people challenging helps better develop an idea. I agree nothing as is commonly understood is not the physic understanding of, but there is stock in the idea of none-being, just not in the physical, this does not mean spiritual, but cognitive and perspective. Take God, if he is just made up, he is a non-being rather then nothing.
It's about time we get a reasonable christian who can actually make good arguments and not just rant about why atheists are idiots and are stupid. I'm glad you give hope, for me at least, to the world that not all religious followers are moronic, ignorant, arrogant, and irrational thinkers. I am an atheist and I applaud you sir. Your questions do make me think but remember this. The big bang is a theory it is an idea, just like creationism and how God made the world.
I respect you for being one of those few theist youtubers who doesn't censor their videos because they know they're wrong. I don't think anyone can comprehend what came before the first thing - after all, where did God come from? It is as hard to answer as what came before the big bang. I reckon we need to learn a lot more about the universe before we can really speculate on that.
force that we don't understand, it's possible that God did it. The point is, no one knows for sure and the intellectually honest thing to do is to say that it is beyond our understanding for the time being. Hopefully we'll figure it out one day because it is a fascinating topic. In the mean time, it's nonsensical to suggest that it was a being we just don't know enough to say.
I think the misunderstanding is that someone has told you that there was absolutely nothing before the big bang. Talk to any physicist and they'll tell you we don't know what was before the big bang. They aren't suggesting true nothingness. It is possible that the universe existed in another form and we are a part of a continuous cycle that goes back indefinitely, it's possible that there is a multiverse and another universe somehow caused this one, it's possible that there was some natural
You nailed it! The Big Bang is an extrapolation of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity into the past, all the way to an event where we know GR doesn't work, thanks to Quantum Mechanics. Of course, even if you suppose that the universe (some combination of space, time, and energy) was created at the point of ignorance we call the Big Bang, there's no evidence to suggest these things cannot exist in different combinations, or even independently, "before" the Big Bang.
"Isn't it more absurd to suggest a universe appearing spontaneously out of 100% absolute nothingness?"
What is absurd is to believe the unseeen by being blind and live by faith instead of reality, to not think for yourself but believe the bible and a "god." That is what i call childlike and absurd.
"boils down to a matter of faith on both sides."
No; YOU require faith, that is all you have in religion, an athiest requires evidence. you have none.
@8bobthebuilder "an athiest requires evidence" and faith. If you are only atom component then there is no absolutes...which brings in to question our own minds....if we cannot trust our minds as being "trustworthy" then we must take it on faith that we continue to perceive correctly. This is basics of understanding issues that science cannot prove. Science can't prove itself by way of logic-reason..if you use science to prove itself ...thats circular...so we "humans" have "faith" in the system.
@hexusziggurat An athiest doesn't need faith as you do because they don't believe in unseen gods which require faith alone to believe in; athiests require evidence but you cannot produce evidence that god exists.
`if we cannot trust our minds as being "trustworthy" then we must take it on faith that we continue to perceive correctly.'
Human Perception, as "correct" as it may or may not be on its own, is BLURRED/made worse by religion.
@8bobthebuilder i think we first need to understand what faith is...& THEN realize that faith is not subject to just belief in divinity. "faith" ie. are you faithful to your wife...are you faithful to your country...are you faithful in believeing that the cosmos won't spontaneously implode...are you faithful in belief that the world was not created 5 minutes ago with only the "appearance" of age etc.. its obvious we could go on & on , not mentioning "god" once. (we're not talking about religion)
@hexusziggurat: "faith", the use and misuse of the word I think is more an issue with the imprecision of our language than anything else. Perhaps "faith" should be replaced with "reasonable expectation". But then again it is harder just to say that instead of "I have faith that the Colts will lose again". Their season this year is terrible and there's no reason to expect a change
Therefore it isn't faith you're using but an awareness of the odds that the Colts will lose until Eli returns
Your belief in god is not predicated on the real & actual, on what can be seen, touched, sensed, -- if there is god he does not show himself to you in material form, by FAITH alone you believe as you have no actual physical evidence he exists. Christianity therefore,requires believing in the unseen, Athiests however, live in the real world and do not need this kind of faith in a made-up god. Athiests may feel faith, but its not towards a "god."
@8bobthebuilder "Your belief in god is not predicated on the real & actual, on what can be seen" seriously ...how would you know anything of what i have for evidence for my beliefs? Real world,everybody lives in the real world,regardless of beliefs. "made-up" once again...massive assumption. Unless you've absolute proof then you can't make a definitive...its that simple. The most you can say is "i don't know" otherwise you're just as guilty for making things up--"definitive statement".
' the cause must be something that exists outside of matter , energy , space and time ' ..as a non believer of course ive pondered that very thing , however , its one thing to believe it , and another to then claim to know what caused it , what it looks like , what it thinks, what it feels, what it demands of us , and ultimately, how it will punish or reward us...its arrogance beyond ' belief '
@grumpyguts1967 That's irrelevant. All the argument demonstrates is that the universe could not have popped into existence uncaused from nothing. The universe needed a transcendent first cause. Who or what that first cause was is a completely different debate.
@mucura1 God didn't pop out of nothing uncaused. He has always existed. He transcends time, space, matter, and energy. The universe does not because it is bound by the laws of reality.
@ubermechazillatron "he has always existed" that is quite a bold claim. Have any tangible evidence for that belief or are we gonna revert to faith based arguments? " He transcends time, space, matter, and energy" and yet he is omnipresent in our universe at the same time. When theists speak with contradictions like this then its all gibberish to me.
@ubermechazillatron "God didn't pop out of nothing uncaused" absolutely correct. There must, by way of sound logic, be an uncaused first agent that is a personal being, beyond the limitations of that which it creates and of immeasurable in power. One could soundly assert other attributes as well to a lesser degree such as "intention to act, becoming anchored by "time" as now thered be a segment by which to measure its own activity prior/during/post-time, etc.."
Excellent response, and a loverly Les Paul guitar, if you think of the whole of the universe is God then that solves a lot of questions, i believe that there was not a finite point that the universe was created as time ( or our conception of time is altered) even through simple observations. Even Enstien said "There are only two things thing are infinate, the universe and human stupidy, and i am not sure about the universe"
"My video "Atheists: How To Make Their Heads Explode" is a worldwide sensation! People are going crazy for it!"
Oh, really? The figures show it's not at all a sensation (and mediocre at best). Sounds like you suffer from the same delusions of grandeur as your invisible master...
You say that something can't come out of nothing, this may be true for the rules of the universe, but do you claim to know it is also true BEFORE the universe? I think all atheist, or at least most, would make no such claim because we have no way to find out. Also assuming the rule DO apply before the existence of our universe, how do you know what caused it?
@socialisticdemo Nothing has no qualities, that's why it's called nothing. Nothing will always be nothing regardless of the rules of the universe. True absolute nothing does not exist anywhere within our universe, so the advent of the rules of our universe are irrelevant to the properties of nothing regardless. Your point fails.
@ubermechazillatron You can't know if the kind of nothing you describe do or do not exist, we can by definition not observe it, you also can't know if it did exist before the universe, we can't test or observe that, all we do, know is that the universe we can observe exists. Guessing what was before, be it the kind of nothing you describe, or a God, or something we don't know anything about, doesn't matter, we don't know, and we Atheists can't just guess like you chose to. Your point fails.
@ubermechazillatron "Nothing has no qualities" ....which in itself is a quality...so the statement self implodes thereby not upholding non-contradictory logic reasoning. It would be better to say [The idea or concept of 'nothing' is unfathomable to a sentient mind that must actively try to perceive it...which can only be concluded as either "that which rocks think of" OR "the absence of anything including active perception of its non/existance"]
All the matter. energy, space, time and everything else we know about compressed in a singularity. How do you keep getting "nothing" from this? Get over this ignorant "Nothing" idea. By all accounts there has never been "NOTHING"! Now go ahead and make something up!!
atheist scientists believe that matter and antimatter collided to create antimatter, yet not enough antimatter exists in this our solar system to create a big bang. So they ASSUME that the big bang occured, where's the proof? They essentially take a huge leap of faith. When believers in God take leaps of faith the atheists criticise them! hypocrites
What are you talking about? The big bang wasn't caused by a matter/antimatter collision.
Scientists do not ASSUME that the big bang occured. The evidence for an expanding universe was discovered, predictions were made about the cosmic background radiation which were later confirmed my more observation. No assumption here.
It's probably a good idea to read up on subjects like this before you equate them to religion. Which has no supporting evidence.
If creation requires a creator then by definition the creator also requires a creator and so on............! I doubt this comment will be posted anyway.
@ArmaFennica "And the last bit, "both have to have faith", was again a false claim." Whats false about his claim? How did the Big "mass" of what ever it was get there? What made it go "bang"?
>Religious people usually fail to comprehend the lack of belief, and then have to view matters through their own mindset. It changes non-belief and reason into some manner of religious dogma.. Faith.
-Rationalists do not have, nor do they need faith.
"How did the Big "mass" of what ever it was get there?"
>We don't know. No faith required.
"What made it go "bang"? "
We don't know what caused rapid expansion of this `dot´.
@ArmaFennica Friend, faith isn't only connected to religious belief. I looked up the word faith and there were obvious religious connotations. There are also non-religions connotations: "confidence or trust in a person or thing". Are there people that you have confidence or trust in? Most people will agree that science helps us discover the universes rationality and order. But wouldn't you have to believe that there is rationality and order in the universe to study it? What do you think?
(Continued from below) There are things in nature that baffle us and will probably baffle us for a very long time. But yet we still research them. Why? Because we have faith that there is a rational and intelligible answer. Otherwise research would be pointless.
"Faith in something that has not yet been proved still is and always has been a prerequisite for scientific investigation." - John Lennox
Maybe I wasn’t totally clear, but I honestly didn’t mean to say that the universe is a rational person. If that is what you think I meant I apologize. So how did I place faith into the fray? The definition of faith does not only involve religion or religious people. - I showed you that. When I asked where did all of the material in the universe come from? You said that it came from a point or dot. How do you know that this really how it happened?
@ArmaFennica "-It's a common theme with extreme religious fanatics(Hovind family), so I assumed that you placed that intentionally." Another bad assumption. Wouldn't it be absurd for me to attribute some of the terrible things that Joseph Stalin or Pol Pot to you, because they were atheist?
>What `another´? And you did not really answer to my questions/pointers, I see.
"Wouldn't it be absurd for me to attribute some of the terrible things that Joseph Stalin or Pol Pot to you, because they were atheist?"
>Oh, you really should steer clear from that line of thought, because christians have provided some of the most brutal, diabolical and cruel rulers and factions.
"When I asked where did all of the material in the universe come from? You said that it came from a point or dot. How do you know that this really how it happened?"
>We (humanity) have studied this for a good period of time now, and CERN and other sophisticated devises do give out new information every day. But we have had the same initial outcome with the singularity.
-This is one of the cases where numerous observations link to give out information.
@ArmaFennica This is a very bad assumption, at least from my own personal standpoint. I don't use God as a place filler for what I don't know. The science that I understand points me to God, not the science I don’t.
@ArmaFennica What other Christians? Friend, you've implied that I'm a religious fanatic, who can't think for himself. But your assumptions are nothing more than that. Issac Newton, one of the greatest scientist that ever lived, was also a Christian and believed the same way about science. . So I think I'm in good company. He states that, "In the absence of any other proof, the thumb alone would convince me of God's existence." Well I enjoyed our conversation. I honestly I hope you find truth.
"Issac Newton, one of the greatest scientist that ever lived, was also a Christian and believed the same way about science."
>This is a very poor argument, as that era was against anything not christian. People of those times had to declare faith, even if they were agnostic. You'd know this, had you studied history wee bit more.
"So I think I'm in good company."
>Two centruries ago, maybe.
-These days, we do not have to please gigantic and very powerful church.
I hope I can say God bless you! without offending you!
You will need Him before your 'natural' death! because.. after that..it is eternal separation from Him..no chance of ever getting your life right with Him!
You'll have the awful experience of ending up in a pit with other evolutionists!
for eternity! Not for me! I know who I would rather be with ..for ever!
So far I have not found one atheist/evolutionist who can explain death, disease,
anyway my answer is this: science does not take leaps based on faith, it simply stops where the evidence ends, makes hypothesis and then tries to prove them with more evidence as technology allows deeper investigation, if the new evidence is against the hypothesis science just drops it.
This is why science has a chance to find out what was prior to the big bang (even if it might take a few generations), religion doesn't.
I just wish to say that this is a question for scientest, not atheist. Not every atheist is a scientest and vice versa. It's not because you can't explain something, that it needs to contributed to god. That is ofcourse your perogative, but if humankind would alway have continued to contribute unexplained things to a god, we would still be living in the stone age. You are asking questions that come from limited understanding. Research the latest in quantum and astrophysics to ask better question
Yeah dude. How do you know it was nothingness before the big bang? There could have been 10000000000 year old universe that collapsed on itself before our universe started to expand
SharperShooting 1 day ago
Yeah because humanity starting from two people isnt absurd.
SharperShooting 1 day ago
If you want a good debate, hit me up on twitter @RonaldvonMitch. I have studied this question a great deal. The answers are very simple, and they are all based on real science. Yes I have written a book on this answer. I have noticed that many people that base there opinons on creation are afraid to debate with people of science. Are you afraid?
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How the universe started from nothing at all
Where the universe comes from
Why was their a “big bang”
What is going to happen at the end of it all
“The Answer to 42” By Ronald von Mitchel, at Lulu.com
rvm429111 1 day ago
This is what I heard- "Why? How? Why?"- if you're asking these questions, it's because you don't have an answer. I believe we should look and look and look, for an answer- not create one because our current shortage of answers. Just like you, yes, I'm not sure how and why, but that gives me no reason to believe in a god, especially not the god of anything any man has ever written or spoke, but it's obvious in our day and age that the gods of mans religion are all bullshit.
TheNothing1990 6 days ago
You were surprised you got a friendly contribution by an atheist. I would hope you know we are out there. Might you not have atheist friends?
matthewtaylorbrown 1 week ago
You need to understand that time is NOT "part of the universe and began with the big bang".
Time is a construct.
It was developed to measure relative existence at a galactic velocity.
We created various methods to give a focal point and measurements.
The universe is composed of light and various precipitous matter that originates from octets of light. Splitting matter produces light. Changing light variables produces matter.
Ask urself, What made god? What did god do before he "created" stuff?
Getsen42 1 week ago
you know what would be cool. If one day I stood outside and watched the air. And then POOF! a tiny civilization of ants started building and creating a whole new world out of NOTHING! wow!
AeonFlexMusic 2 weeks ago
the problem is that you cannot say that there was no matter before the big bang,,, how can one know that there was not matter before the big bang?
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@Endead9 "lol atheists are still going on about something coming from nothing?"
actually is the theists who claim god created everything from nothing.
Atheists admit they don't know what caused the big bang. Better to say you don't know rather than make wild unsubstantiated guesses of a 'god' which says precisely nothing!
mtbee9 3 weeks ago
Oh my....you speak well. You fold your hands. You pose in your study. You invoke logic.
You aren't an idiot, granted.
But you are still a simpleton.
MrArtstacks 1 month ago
As nobody knows what happened 'prior to' the big bang, postulating a god has as much meaning or evidence as anything else.
If there was truly 'nothing' at this point in time then there could also not have been a god either, as a god is something!
I don't accept that there is a god - certainly no evidence for one, but if there was such a creator the idea that it is anything like any of the 'gods' that humans have dreamt up is highly unlikely.
mtbee9 1 month ago
As impossible as it may be to imagine something appearring from nothing, to idea of a God, who seems to do this as an occupation it seemed, because he could, is far more implausable... Where did God originate, why does he/she/it have the ability to make his/her thoughts a reality, such as imagining something like time and space, and saying "Yeah, I think I'll invent those". It isn't an argument that'll win over many athiests im afraid.
reservoirdog666 1 month ago
The fundamental flaw with atheists is their claim that God does not exist based on science. The problem with this is that science can only comment on that which can be measured or observed. Obviously God can not be measured or observed but that does not mean he does not exist. Belief in God goes beyond the realm of science and is based on faith. Belief that no God exists is also based on faith.
MrMaxTruth 1 month ago
@MrMaxTruth Atheists do not believe no god exists, they do not believe there is a god. It doesn't require faith to not believe.
humpfry24 1 month ago
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MrMaxTruth 1 month ago
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It does when that belief requires you to believe that "nothing" made the Universe from "nothing" - now thats faith !
MrMaxTruth 1 month ago
@MrMaxTruth Atheists do not necessarily believe nothing made the universe from nothing. The truth is nobody knows and we are willing to admit that we don't know.
Also, if it requires faith to believe that something can come from nothing then religious people must also have that faith because they believe god came from nothing and that he simply exists.
There is no point in assuming god created the universe because it does not solve anything.
humpfry24 1 month ago
@humpfry24 If you admit that you do not know how the universe came about then by definition you have to allow for the "possibility" that a Creator did make the universe. You can therfore not conclude definitvley that God does not exist.
MrMaxTruth 1 month ago
@MrMaxTruth I do allow for the possibility that a creator made the universe. But there is no good evidence to back up this claim, and until there is good evidence I will not assume there is a creator. I cannot prove that god doesn't exist but there is no reason to believe that he does.
humpfry24 1 month ago
@MrMaxTruth "Obviously God can not be measured or observed but that does not mean he does not exist." Then you have no way of 'knowing' if god does exist! Therefore it is simply a guess.
Yes belief in god is based on faith.
Belief there is 'no god' is based on the fact that there is no evidence for one.
Er that is not faith - just logic.
It is illogical to believe in something for which there is no evidence. It might make you feel better or hope there is a god, but it's still simply a guess.
mtbee9 1 month ago
@mtbee9 Science can not comment on the supernatural or personal experience. Most theists base their belief based on personal experience, and to them God is as real as the nose on your face. Lack of scientific evidence is therfore not evidence .Ironicly Science can not answer how nothing created the Universe out of nothing - no evidence exists yet Atheists still cling to their atheism despite the lack of evidence. Why - once again - like the theist the atheist relies on "faith."
MrMaxTruth 3 weeks ago
@MrMaxTruth "Science can not answer how nothing created the Universe out of nothing"
Better to say you don't know than make an illogical guess at something for which you zero evidence and claim it to be true. That's not faith, simply a statement of fact.
Maybe one day science will find out what caused the big bang - religion certainly isn't finding any answers!
I'd rather say I don't know than use my ignorance to pretend that somehow it gives a reason to say 'god did it'!
mtbee9 3 weeks ago
@mtbee9 Then using your own standars you can not say God does not exist , at best, you can say he "may" not exist.
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@MrMaxTruth "you can not say God does not exist , at best, you can say he "may" not exist"
Actually everybody is Agnostic as nobody can prove god exists or does not exist.
So what I always come back to is the evidence. When there is some evidence for god on any other mythological creature then I'll consider it.
Until then the Earth still orbits the sun, plants and animals are born and die, and there are many truths we can accept based on the evidence. As for any god - no evidence yet.
mtbee9 3 weeks ago
@MrMaxTruth no, at best we can say there is no evidence that god exists, or infact that alot of the biblical stories took place, outside of the bible of course, which leads us to wonder what makes christians so sure that their interpretation of god is correct when their holy book is so frequently incorrect.
fuckinghellyoutwat 1 week ago
Good point libbotppo. The remarkable thing about existence is not how we exist but that we exist.
TTut21 1 month ago
but how can a god be there? where did he come from? I dont think its a logical statement to make up a god because we dont understand something. We need to do more research but saying a god created everything doesnt cut it for me as logical. I did appreciate your video it was a good view from the religious side.
libbotoppo 1 month ago
haha
ThyAreAllClassics16 1 month ago
and despite some people's arrogance to be an 'elite' I feel most atheists are good people. You may even have good friends who are atheists but do not know... don't get the wrong impression by those biggots.
guitarsly111 1 month ago
How do you know the creator is your God; God can be anything one wishes to define. I have a question though, can we really ever know the beginning without assuming? It is illogical in itself to assume your God did it as it is illogical for scientists to say the universe came from the big bang. And can our brains ever br able to comprehend the beginnings? In such a large universe, I doubt we are the most intelligent or advanced (ridiulously small chance that we are...)
guitarsly111 1 month ago
Firstly, what's there to say that there was a beginning and that it didn't always exist? Two things:
1) Why would you think through /this/ situation logically, but others illogically? As in, why not consider evolution or the age of the world logically? This may not be a question for you.. but it seems as if creationists use science when it best fits their situation, and ignore it elsewhere.
2) Perhaps one could argue a creator exists. How would this prove the Christian creator?
Polerification 1 month ago
"Prior to that there was nothing." You didn't get the point. There was no "prior to that". There is no time at which there was nothing.
frabjous79 1 month ago
How does this prove a christian god? Not a norse god or whichever god you choose
goofydog07 1 month ago
Read Lawrence Krauss "A universe from nothing." Its perfectly natural for quantum fluctuation to cause a universe, or other universes. You ask, "why is there something?" The big bang was infinitely small like a sub atomic particle. Now quantum mechanics will prove to you that these particles do appear, FOR NO REASON, WITH NO CAUSE. Its not a miracle, its natural, quantum physics. Dont make a argument from ignorance and call it god or bring faith into it. God is obviously the least likely cause.
Johnf85 1 month ago
Matter, time, energy nor space existed before "The Big Bang Theory." So how could there be fluctuations of anything? When there is absolutely nothing, its just that, nothing. The Big Bang Theory requires more faith than any religion, in a sense that quantum fluctuation created itself. Many scientists do not even buy it.
birdsfly231 1 month ago
@birdsfly231 How successful would a cosmologist be with using language to explain what a planck space is? How about with half of the mathematical words we currently have? You are using a poverty stricken language to make sense out of infinity, 'before time and space' -These are concepts for physics and mathematics. Its not concerned with philosophy, or how confused you are. We successfully TELEPORTED an atom. Now THAT is impossible by means of your reasoning as seen above. But we did it.
Johnf85 1 month ago
(contd.) The basis for all the theories, be it Big Bang, or God, or whichever theory one believes in, is the thirst to end the uncertainty of the reason for our existence, life, and matter. And till the reason is found, I choose to believe in "Nothingness" rather than God. it's a choice. that's it.
schecterGman 1 month ago
The Big Bang is not like a gospel for atheists. It's a theory. One of some probable theories that somehow garnered more trust because it seemed to explain a few other things. "God did it" somehow is not the most believable answer to all the unanswered questions. I respect the fact that you put across an opinion without being illogical and offensive. However, please understand this. (contd.)
schecterGman 1 month ago
The first argument counters the God theory, if everything had beginning so did God = where did God come from.
If you say, "God has always existed" Then, I´ll say So has world.
olentattimies 1 month ago
The Big Bang does not suppose everything came from Nothing, your basic argument is invalid.
kerranz 1 month ago
@TheDyingApologist persecuted* anyways im off to bed man. was great chatting with you
TheStoicPoet 1 month ago
@TheDyingApologist there was a slew of factors for the dark ages but honestly if there wasn't the fear of being persecutes don't you think wed have more great minds from that era? some of those you've mentioned kept their ideas to themselves for that reason. Also idk if we're deviated from the topic at this point or not im tired Lol. But gimme one instance where religion was used for the betterment of anything. Those scientist weren't great because of their religion
TheStoicPoet 1 month ago
@TheDyingApologist shouldn't discredit how great of a mind he had* rather. i dont have a problem with Theist/Deist scientist. If you read up on any respectable scientist who is religious then youll find them to be very rational people. Hope you understand what im saying. Its late and i realize i could of worded all this a whole lot better
TheStoicPoet 1 month ago
@TheDyingApologist you missunderstand me. I was talking about the early European catholic churches and how they oppressed science and creativity. Also, you forgot Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton as well. Newton occult studies were fair out there but that doesnt discredit how great of mind he had. Einstein also said "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Scriptures shouldn't be used as a stopping point for knowledge and understanding
TheStoicPoet 1 month ago
Nice les paul dude!
MrKitteh101 1 month ago
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The fact you have consciousness and not the other infinite other people that could have been is reason to rejoice alone. Living forever without pain, loss and suffering, is that really your idea of grandeur? How could you appreciate anything handed to you in the afterlife if all that wealth you acquire has so little value imho. My life is finite, i will cherish it because of that. Man has always coveted eternal life. The only reason to believe in theism is the "what if im wrong" a scare tactic
TheStoicPoet 1 month ago
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TheStoicPoet 1 month ago
Q: How do you make an Atheist?
A: Make him read the bible.
Q: How do you make a terrorist?
A: Make him read the QuRan.
Q: How do you make a creationist?
A: Give him a lobotomy.
nolobede 1 month ago
@guldrev so where did that ball of matter come from?
Jamster9000 1 month ago
there was mather before the universe, but it was a big compresse ball of mather that exploded making the universe... at least thats what they belive it was
guldrev 1 month ago
You went from stating "before the Big Bang" to stating "prior to the Big Bang". You are still caught in the same misconception. There is no "nothingness" outside the universe as described in modern cosmology. "Before (or prior to) the Big Bang" is like "north of the North Pole". Space/time seems to be finite, yet boundless, like the surface of a sphere. The Big Bang describes the state of the universe at a specific temporal coordinate, not a discrete moment of creation ex nihilo.
FosterZygote 1 month ago
Sorry to hear about all the hate mail. You should see my mailbox. :)
matthewtaylorbrown 1 month ago
OK. If this guy was preaching thousands of years ago about theism, he wouldn't say "how was the universe created" he would say "HOW THE FUCK DOES THE SUN RISE??? EXPLAIN THAT!!!" but now, science CAN explain that, so they get new questions. We WILL know how the universe came to be one day. I wonder what questions they'll ask next?
iamUSAn50 1 month ago
as well as support for the weak. Dont take offense theist, im sure some if not most of you are great people. I respect your opinion Godlowdown but i implore you to read up some theoretical science that some worlds top physicist, which are addressing these very questions
TheStoicPoet 1 month ago
id like to add one more thing if i can. this eternal bliss. From what i know is we understand happiness because of sadness, and heartache because of love. If there was eternal bliss and perfection how can you truly appreciate these things? my life is fulfilling not because i believe in eternal life, but because my life is finite and i do have a deep appreciation for the only life im giving and for others. i think religion is just a means to easily answer life's more harder questions
TheStoicPoet 1 month ago
@TheStoicPoet At best bible is true. At worst the Quran is true and christians are doomed. In the middle you have all religion being false. If this is the case then it really doesn't matter. I will die happing thinking I am about to see G-D and with the knowledge that I led a fulfilling life. I will never learn other wise and any wrong I committed in my life is irrelevant. So what if religion is an easy way to answer hard questions? How does knowing the big bang is real improve my life?
Reu360 1 month ago
@Reu360 id say that any knowledge is good knowledge. The whether the big bang may or may not have happen is less important than the truths that support the claim. Did the bible tell you about the expansion of the universe? did the bible give you the servers so that you may browse the internet? or modern medicine and proper hygienics/infrastructure so that the average life expectancy wasnt 25yo anymore? i dont think so. Having "god did it all" is a stopping point.
TheStoicPoet 1 month ago
@Reu360 Re: its kind of a shitty way to life having your only reason to value anything in life is the benefits of afterlife. If religion had its way we'd still believe the world is flat and that the earth was the center of the universe. If religion had its way we'd still be living in the dark ages praying for healing when people drop dead of diseases while science and creativity stagnates due to the oppressive nature of religion. Look up the dark ages, courtesy of religion
TheStoicPoet 1 month ago
Also, if got is outside of reason "being that he was before nothing and made matter/energy out from nothing" then he is unnatural. And if he is unnatural and cant be reasonably proven by our natural experiences of the known universe. For or against theism idk? i have no idea but you might be reasoning this wrong if he is unnatural he doesnt follow the same laws. I dont make wild claims and i havent been givin a reason to believe other than the all popular fear of eternal damnation
TheStoicPoet 1 month ago
occams razor "among competing hypotheses, selecting the one that makes the fewest new assumptions usually provides the correct one, and that the simplest explanation will be the most plausible until evidence is presented to prove it false." science doesnt use "faith," we call it hypothesis. Read up on on string theory and multiple dimensions. Or you can just ask your bible for answers on theoretical science, which ever is easiest i suppose...
TheStoicPoet 1 month ago
This is the oldest argument in the world. This is just a classic argument from ignorance. Even if you can make the argument that some entity (versus some cause) created the universe, this says nothing about the creator. It could be space aliens, Zeus, a really big bacteria from a prior universe, etc. And you also ignore the possibility that some thing near the end of our universe creates another universe - which is the start of our universe. In other words, time loops around.
nosuchthing8 1 month ago
The big bang is the furthest event to witch we can trace existence we dont know for sure that something did or did not exist before the event.
To make a wild assumption that an outside body or a supreme being created the current universe does not really solve the issue neither will stating there was nothing because we simply dont know best to just say we are not sure but we are working on it.
Fodmaster 1 month ago
In short; We can verify everything until 1:1000th of a second after the big bang, then our physics fails. So in short: We can verify that there were a big bang, we cannot say what it was.
And no it is not logical to just replace "Not sure" with "There is a god"
adakar 1 month ago
I wonder why this guy disabled his ratings.
seshoki 1 month ago
You're just making the same mistake again. There is no 'prior' nor a 'before' the big bang. This isn't semantics, it's a failure on your part to truly understand what it means to say that time is inseparable from the universe. It might help you to think of it like this; the universe has existed for all time. There is no time when it didn't exist. You can not go further back in time than the big bang - not even conceptually, not even in principal.
eventhisidistaken 1 month ago
All these points merely beg the question. You're just assuming that people know the answers to these questions and that intelligence will "find the answer". Nothing comes from nothing. Thats just a blind assumption because you have no idea how to explain this "Nothing" in the first place. You can only explain it based on a "lack of" something that you percieve in reality. So ask yourself. What is nothing? Can i understand it really? Quantify it? Then your moving towards better answers.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
i hope you know that the universe was never empty i was a dense ball of energy, and since energy is more compact it was pressed to a ball and humans know that energy can make matter. so at one point it was so dense it exploded and made matter and the universe. look at some of stephen hawkings work or einstiens work you'll learn
SaintZx5 1 month ago
If you're going to use the "logic" that god exists outside of time and space and is, therefore, able to create the universe, why must it be YOUR version of god? Couldn't have been Zeus, or Thor, or Allah, or even Satan existing outside of time and space who has brought about something out of nothing? Don't respond with some lame argument about how "the Bible says my god is the only true one!"; every other religion's text says the same thing, yet you don't believe in their gods.
JoeJunk9289 1 month ago
Scientists never said there was "nothing", rather they said there is no way of knowing what was before the Big Bang. Is it too difficult to accept we may not be able to know something? And no, making up stories about magic beings and miracles does not count as "knowing".
PktMma 2 months ago
your talking like the big bang was a spontaneous combustion, but have you thought that there may of been another universe before ours? scientists have already said there is a possibility of the universe closing in on itself so could it be possible that in billions of years time, our universe closes in on itself and through all the suns, planets and matter colliding with eachother that a new big bang could happen, this then could start off another universe. resetting time, thoughts?
koplikop 2 months ago
Please do your homework before your next video. There was Energy before the big bang, it was just too hot for atoms to exist. Besides maybe you should consider that without nothing there cant be something. without black theres no white, without silence theres no music, and so on. Even if it can not be understood doesn't that its legitimate to claim theres a god. its always more logical and exiting to say "we don't know, so lets explore and use reason".
KoMue88 2 months ago
Turn off ratings because this would be disliked like SHIT.
BostonSportsGuy567 2 months ago
There is no evidence supporting the existence of a God.
BostonSportsGuy567 2 months ago
Have you never heard of spontaneous combustion? xD
TheRobboNobbo 2 months ago
Theists think of this logically... pfft in your dreams.
AtomicDragonMC 2 months ago
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bad... bad bad bad arguement... we dont know what caused it, so we call it "God". certainly not a good arguement.
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
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nothingness can exactly breed something! the theory of the big bang explains easily, that there was nothing before the big bang, but nothing split, it split into a positive and negative part. the positive part being, energy, and the negative part being dark energy. I dont claim to not the mathematics of the theory, but this should be common knowledge, and it explains exactly why nothingness could breed something, being positive and negative.
(this is not a troll comment, just an explaination.)
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
Disable ratings, disable comment ratings. Are you concerned that people would come to this video, see a long red line and move on?
KingOfTheKill10001 2 months ago
I love how this guy makes so many videos critisizing atheists for being hateful but always makes videos bitching about atheist like wtf stfu
lmv3690 2 months ago
The big bang explains the cosmic evolution of the universe, but very little is known about the prior state of the universe, the singularity. I think that people should refrain from constructing arguments for or against god on the basis of what essentially is just an unknown.
FrozenPetrolPie 2 months ago
Hey man, Congrads on the baby. THANK YOU for being respectful for this argument. I may be an Atheist myself, however there are the few of us that are able to dispute without negativity.
comptonelli 2 months ago
And, yet again, the believers argument boils down to "You don't know, therefore magic".
OPE08 2 months ago
It's literally IMPOSSIBLE to answer that question.... if Space and Time came from nothing, surely so did God? You saying this translates (in my opinion) as to you saying God came from nothing? Who made God? Christian or atheist; not a single person will ever be able to answer this question....
designkid5555 2 months ago
@designkid5555 - What most Christians mindlessly claim after that is, "Oh, well God has ALWAYS existed."
Critic863 2 months ago
fucking facepalm. There wasn't nothing before the Big Bang, there was an amazingly condensed collection of matter which exploded. For fuck's sake - do some research before you say retarded things on the intynets.
MrNickeh 2 months ago
Because we can not answer a question at this point in 'history' does not mean that god is an appropriate default. I accept that as willful defeat and the lack of desire to find real answers personally. How often has god been given wrongful credit elsewhere while real dedicators to research find alternative, testable theories? eg: the creation (I prefer formation due to being misrepresented but you do not seem so petty to attack such words) of the earth or other planets?
aquatix 2 months ago
saying where did matter come from is the same question as where did god come from
MrStickly 2 months ago
Well, you can't apply Laws of our Universe outside of our Universe that is also a leap. Why should causality exists with nothingness, cause would required would already require two being that could interact as such one could be cause of a change in the other... If no being exist that law has now ground... Either way, even if we maintain that causality exists before matter it would be the infinite problem, what caused and and what causes that... IF god made it what is his cause?
DsaiTheWhite 2 months ago
Our mamalian primat limited brains are not capable to grasp or understand certain concepts or dimensions, so nothing is the only or the closest expression to describe it. In my mind what you describe as nothing is in fact something ...........incredible / unimaginable small,dens,hot.....singularity.
Accepting science is not faith, anything beyond, I say: I don't know - so again no faith. Walking on water etc. goes against what we know, defying physical laws, ridicilous even by faith
Aleksamson 2 months ago
@Aleksamson Well it depends how you want to define both those words, nothing can se seen as either the state of non-being in a general sense, in other word, none existence within objective reality if that exists. or more actually in my opinion and perhaps yours things outside of human sensory, both external and internal. This would include external things, like Matter, Sounds, tastes, etc. and internal internal things, like thoughts.
DsaiTheWhite 2 months ago
@DsaiTheWhite However you define it. It's speculation & the point is-there's no faith.I don't know how,whay, was it nothing or something. If I understand,You accept Big.Bang, but clame that non beliver needs faith to explane the start ( from nothing ) You are filing the gap with god, while I say ''I don't know'' it doesn't mean I need faith to accept observable mesurable expanssion......if can;t explane how/why it started.
Aleksamson 2 months ago
@Aleksamson I'm not using god as anything, that was just a device to show it would go on, until you sure that there is a thing which is either infinite and self motivating (meaning can set itself in motion) or you have to show that causality doesn't work outside our universe, in which case before applies as outside. I didn't say anything about faith, your projecting someone else argument against me. I'm not opposing your augment, I'm challenging it to better define it and understand.
DsaiTheWhite 2 months ago
@Aleksamson Sorry if you understood it that way, but I have an Aristotelian approach to to discussion, I find that people challenging helps better develop an idea. I agree nothing as is commonly understood is not the physic understanding of, but there is stock in the idea of none-being, just not in the physical, this does not mean spiritual, but cognitive and perspective. Take God, if he is just made up, he is a non-being rather then nothing.
DsaiTheWhite 2 months ago
It's about time we get a reasonable christian who can actually make good arguments and not just rant about why atheists are idiots and are stupid. I'm glad you give hope, for me at least, to the world that not all religious followers are moronic, ignorant, arrogant, and irrational thinkers. I am an atheist and I applaud you sir. Your questions do make me think but remember this. The big bang is a theory it is an idea, just like creationism and how God made the world.
Sickjew123 2 months ago
I respect you for being one of those few theist youtubers who doesn't censor their videos because they know they're wrong. I don't think anyone can comprehend what came before the first thing - after all, where did God come from? It is as hard to answer as what came before the big bang. I reckon we need to learn a lot more about the universe before we can really speculate on that.
AresExodus 2 months ago
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AresExodus 2 months ago
force that we don't understand, it's possible that God did it. The point is, no one knows for sure and the intellectually honest thing to do is to say that it is beyond our understanding for the time being. Hopefully we'll figure it out one day because it is a fascinating topic. In the mean time, it's nonsensical to suggest that it was a being we just don't know enough to say.
richjammcl 2 months ago
I think the misunderstanding is that someone has told you that there was absolutely nothing before the big bang. Talk to any physicist and they'll tell you we don't know what was before the big bang. They aren't suggesting true nothingness. It is possible that the universe existed in another form and we are a part of a continuous cycle that goes back indefinitely, it's possible that there is a multiverse and another universe somehow caused this one, it's possible that there was some natural
richjammcl 2 months ago
@richjammcl
You nailed it! The Big Bang is an extrapolation of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity into the past, all the way to an event where we know GR doesn't work, thanks to Quantum Mechanics. Of course, even if you suppose that the universe (some combination of space, time, and energy) was created at the point of ignorance we call the Big Bang, there's no evidence to suggest these things cannot exist in different combinations, or even independently, "before" the Big Bang.
ultramerton 2 months ago
Therefore, the claim that true nothingness preceded our universe is unsupported conjecture.
ultramerton 2 months ago
I was full of gases hydrogen ,nitrogen and so one.
jplb96 2 months ago
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Why do Christians never add ranking on their videos...? I dont get it. At all.
Stensow 2 months ago
"Isn't it more absurd to suggest a universe appearing spontaneously out of 100% absolute nothingness?"
What is absurd is to believe the unseeen by being blind and live by faith instead of reality, to not think for yourself but believe the bible and a "god." That is what i call childlike and absurd.
"boils down to a matter of faith on both sides."
No; YOU require faith, that is all you have in religion, an athiest requires evidence. you have none.
8bobthebuilder 2 months ago
@8bobthebuilder "an athiest requires evidence" and faith. If you are only atom component then there is no absolutes...which brings in to question our own minds....if we cannot trust our minds as being "trustworthy" then we must take it on faith that we continue to perceive correctly. This is basics of understanding issues that science cannot prove. Science can't prove itself by way of logic-reason..if you use science to prove itself ...thats circular...so we "humans" have "faith" in the system.
hexusziggurat 2 months ago
@hexusziggurat An athiest doesn't need faith as you do because they don't believe in unseen gods which require faith alone to believe in; athiests require evidence but you cannot produce evidence that god exists.
`if we cannot trust our minds as being "trustworthy" then we must take it on faith that we continue to perceive correctly.'
Human Perception, as "correct" as it may or may not be on its own, is BLURRED/made worse by religion.
8bobthebuilder 2 months ago
@8bobthebuilder i think we first need to understand what faith is...& THEN realize that faith is not subject to just belief in divinity. "faith" ie. are you faithful to your wife...are you faithful to your country...are you faithful in believeing that the cosmos won't spontaneously implode...are you faithful in belief that the world was not created 5 minutes ago with only the "appearance" of age etc.. its obvious we could go on & on , not mentioning "god" once. (we're not talking about religion)
hexusziggurat 2 months ago
@hexusziggurat: "faith", the use and misuse of the word I think is more an issue with the imprecision of our language than anything else. Perhaps "faith" should be replaced with "reasonable expectation". But then again it is harder just to say that instead of "I have faith that the Colts will lose again". Their season this year is terrible and there's no reason to expect a change
Therefore it isn't faith you're using but an awareness of the odds that the Colts will lose until Eli returns
sol3a1 2 months ago
@hexusziggurat You missed my point.
Your belief in god is not predicated on the real & actual, on what can be seen, touched, sensed, -- if there is god he does not show himself to you in material form, by FAITH alone you believe as you have no actual physical evidence he exists. Christianity therefore,requires believing in the unseen, Athiests however, live in the real world and do not need this kind of faith in a made-up god. Athiests may feel faith, but its not towards a "god."
8bobthebuilder 2 months ago
@8bobthebuilder "Your belief in god is not predicated on the real & actual, on what can be seen" seriously ...how would you know anything of what i have for evidence for my beliefs? Real world,everybody lives in the real world,regardless of beliefs. "made-up" once again...massive assumption. Unless you've absolute proof then you can't make a definitive...its that simple. The most you can say is "i don't know" otherwise you're just as guilty for making things up--"definitive statement".
hexusziggurat 2 months ago
' the cause must be something that exists outside of matter , energy , space and time ' ..as a non believer of course ive pondered that very thing , however , its one thing to believe it , and another to then claim to know what caused it , what it looks like , what it thinks, what it feels, what it demands of us , and ultimately, how it will punish or reward us...its arrogance beyond ' belief '
grumpyguts1967 2 months ago
@grumpyguts1967 That's irrelevant. All the argument demonstrates is that the universe could not have popped into existence uncaused from nothing. The universe needed a transcendent first cause. Who or what that first cause was is a completely different debate.
ubermechazillatron 2 months ago
Is it not more absurd to imply that your god just popped out of nothing uncaused?
mucura1 3 months ago
@mucura1 God didn't pop out of nothing uncaused. He has always existed. He transcends time, space, matter, and energy. The universe does not because it is bound by the laws of reality.
ubermechazillatron 2 months ago
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@ubermechazillatron "he has always existed" that is quite a bold claim. Have any tangible evidence for that belief or are we gonna revert to faith based arguments? " He transcends time, space, matter, and energy" and yet he is omnipresent in our universe at the same time. When theists speak with contradictions like this then its all gibberish to me.
mucura1 2 months ago
@ubermechazillatron "God didn't pop out of nothing uncaused" absolutely correct. There must, by way of sound logic, be an uncaused first agent that is a personal being, beyond the limitations of that which it creates and of immeasurable in power. One could soundly assert other attributes as well to a lesser degree such as "intention to act, becoming anchored by "time" as now thered be a segment by which to measure its own activity prior/during/post-time, etc.."
hexusziggurat 2 months ago
Excellent response, and a loverly Les Paul guitar, if you think of the whole of the universe is God then that solves a lot of questions, i believe that there was not a finite point that the universe was created as time ( or our conception of time is altered) even through simple observations. Even Enstien said "There are only two things thing are infinate, the universe and human stupidy, and i am not sure about the universe"
jimbo271uk 3 months ago
"My video "Atheists: How To Make Their Heads Explode" is a worldwide sensation! People are going crazy for it!"
Oh, really? The figures show it's not at all a sensation (and mediocre at best). Sounds like you suffer from the same delusions of grandeur as your invisible master...
GodsTalkingSnake 3 months ago
You say that something can't come out of nothing, this may be true for the rules of the universe, but do you claim to know it is also true BEFORE the universe? I think all atheist, or at least most, would make no such claim because we have no way to find out. Also assuming the rule DO apply before the existence of our universe, how do you know what caused it?
socialisticdemo 3 months ago
@socialisticdemo Nothing has no qualities, that's why it's called nothing. Nothing will always be nothing regardless of the rules of the universe. True absolute nothing does not exist anywhere within our universe, so the advent of the rules of our universe are irrelevant to the properties of nothing regardless. Your point fails.
ubermechazillatron 2 months ago
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socialisticdemo 2 months ago
@ubermechazillatron You can't know if the kind of nothing you describe do or do not exist, we can by definition not observe it, you also can't know if it did exist before the universe, we can't test or observe that, all we do, know is that the universe we can observe exists. Guessing what was before, be it the kind of nothing you describe, or a God, or something we don't know anything about, doesn't matter, we don't know, and we Atheists can't just guess like you chose to. Your point fails.
socialisticdemo 2 months ago
@ubermechazillatron "Nothing has no qualities" ....which in itself is a quality...so the statement self implodes thereby not upholding non-contradictory logic reasoning. It would be better to say [The idea or concept of 'nothing' is unfathomable to a sentient mind that must actively try to perceive it...which can only be concluded as either "that which rocks think of" OR "the absence of anything including active perception of its non/existance"]
hexusziggurat 2 months ago
All the matter. energy, space, time and everything else we know about compressed in a singularity. How do you keep getting "nothing" from this? Get over this ignorant "Nothing" idea. By all accounts there has never been "NOTHING"! Now go ahead and make something up!!
wondergundy 3 months ago
atheist scientists believe that matter and antimatter collided to create antimatter, yet not enough antimatter exists in this our solar system to create a big bang. So they ASSUME that the big bang occured, where's the proof? They essentially take a huge leap of faith. When believers in God take leaps of faith the atheists criticise them! hypocrites
MounopanoTheGreat 3 months ago
@MounopanoTheGreat
What are you talking about? The big bang wasn't caused by a matter/antimatter collision.
Scientists do not ASSUME that the big bang occured. The evidence for an expanding universe was discovered, predictions were made about the cosmic background radiation which were later confirmed my more observation. No assumption here.
It's probably a good idea to read up on subjects like this before you equate them to religion. Which has no supporting evidence.
James92453 3 months ago
If creation requires a creator then by definition the creator also requires a creator and so on............! I doubt this comment will be posted anyway.
dondude69 4 months ago
"Ratings have been disabled for this video" and the lack of ability to vote on comments speaks volumes.
ShawnsterVideos 4 months ago
Wonderful. More blithering idiocy.
alianchild 4 months ago
@alianchild What was idiotic about what he said? It takes faith whether you're a theist or an atheist.
menacesta 4 months ago
@menacesta It takes no faith whatsoever to be an atheist. In fact I am an atheist because I do not take anything on faith.
alianchild 2 months ago
Painful.
-Your claim on apple, was just out of place.
You stated that apple appearing from nothing, is impossible.
-But you are surrounded by matter, energy. Even now.
Then went on into a huge stretch claiming that there was nothing, 100% nothing before the rapid expansion of space-time.
Which is false.
-You created a false scenario and then jumped to include your particular deity to explain the cause.
And the last bit, "both have to have faith", was again a false claim.
-Lying for deities
ArmaFennica 4 months ago
@ArmaFennica "And the last bit, "both have to have faith", was again a false claim." Whats false about his claim? How did the Big "mass" of what ever it was get there? What made it go "bang"?
menacesta 4 months ago
@menacesta
"Whats false about his claim?"
>Religious people usually fail to comprehend the lack of belief, and then have to view matters through their own mindset. It changes non-belief and reason into some manner of religious dogma.. Faith.
-Rationalists do not have, nor do they need faith.
"How did the Big "mass" of what ever it was get there?"
>We don't know. No faith required.
"What made it go "bang"? "
We don't know what caused rapid expansion of this `dot´.
Where was the faith-part?
ArmaFennica 4 months ago
@ArmaFennica Friend, faith isn't only connected to religious belief. I looked up the word faith and there were obvious religious connotations. There are also non-religions connotations: "confidence or trust in a person or thing". Are there people that you have confidence or trust in? Most people will agree that science helps us discover the universes rationality and order. But wouldn't you have to believe that there is rationality and order in the universe to study it? What do you think?
menacesta 3 months ago
(Continued from below) There are things in nature that baffle us and will probably baffle us for a very long time. But yet we still research them. Why? Because we have faith that there is a rational and intelligible answer. Otherwise research would be pointless.
"Faith in something that has not yet been proved still is and always has been a prerequisite for scientific investigation." - John Lennox
menacesta 3 months ago
@menacesta
"Friend, faith isn't only connected to religious belief."
>In this context, it is.
-And the claim that such a faith is required with the scientific studies...is absurd.
"I looked up the word faith and there were obvious religious connotations."
>Indeed. Where does faith come into play as a tangible, scientific foundation?
"There are also non-religions connotations: "confidence or trust in a person or thing"."
>Actually, religions are filled to the brim with these sort of issues.
ArmaFennica 3 months ago
@menacesta
"Are there people that you have confidence or trust in?"
>Generally speaking, scientific studies are a combination work. Hardly ever, only one person with one theory is worth notice.
-It's the overlapping and multicultural aspect of scientific studies which reign supreme over faith-based systems.
"Most people will agree that science helps us discover the universes rationality and order."
>No. Only to understand it, knowing the events. Unverse is not required to have rationality.
ArmaFennica 3 months ago
@menacesta
"But wouldn't you have to believe that there is rationality and order in the universe to study it?"
>Ah, you made the rationality assertion in order to place the faith into the fray. Wont work.
-See, Universe is not a person, nor is it a simple, easy to comprehend field of study.
"What do you think?"
>It's the rationality of humanity, not the Universe. Our understanding of events seen, felt, heard is explained with modern era studies.
-Our rationality.
ArmaFennica 3 months ago
@ArmaFennica “Hardly ever, only one person with one theory is worth notice.” Couldn’t a group of people with one theory be wrong as well?
“Ah, you made the rationality assertion in order to place the faith into the fray. Won’t work.
"-See, Universe is not a person, nor is it a simple, easy to comprehend field of study.”
I never said that the universe is easy to understand. (Continued)
menacesta 3 months ago
Maybe I wasn’t totally clear, but I honestly didn’t mean to say that the universe is a rational person. If that is what you think I meant I apologize. So how did I place faith into the fray? The definition of faith does not only involve religion or religious people. - I showed you that. When I asked where did all of the material in the universe come from? You said that it came from a point or dot. How do you know that this really how it happened?
menacesta 3 months ago
@menacesta
"So how did I place faith into the fray?"
>Including rationality and ordern into what has none.
-It's a common theme with extreme religious fanatics(Hovind family), so I assumed that you placed that intentionally.
"The definition of faith does not only involve religion or religious people. - I showed you that."
>Remember the context. In this case, you can't claim rationalist scientific minds having faith in some peculiar theme.
ArmaFennica 3 months ago
@ArmaFennica "-It's a common theme with extreme religious fanatics(Hovind family), so I assumed that you placed that intentionally." Another bad assumption. Wouldn't it be absurd for me to attribute some of the terrible things that Joseph Stalin or Pol Pot to you, because they were atheist?
menacesta 3 months ago
@menacesta
"Another bad assumption."
>What `another´? And you did not really answer to my questions/pointers, I see.
"Wouldn't it be absurd for me to attribute some of the terrible things that Joseph Stalin or Pol Pot to you, because they were atheist?"
>Oh, you really should steer clear from that line of thought, because christians have provided some of the most brutal, diabolical and cruel rulers and factions.
-I have plenty to choose from.
Try to stay on this area, this topic.
ArmaFennica 3 months ago
@menacesta
"When I asked where did all of the material in the universe come from? You said that it came from a point or dot. How do you know that this really how it happened?"
>We (humanity) have studied this for a good period of time now, and CERN and other sophisticated devises do give out new information every day. But we have had the same initial outcome with the singularity.
-This is one of the cases where numerous observations link to give out information.
ArmaFennica 3 months ago
@menacesta
"How do you know that this really how it happened?"
>Via careful scientific studies.
-The other side claims deity/deities in the place of reason, without any knowledge, studies, theories and remarkable discoveries.
They have faith.
Religious minds find the phrace "we don't know", highly uncomfortable.
-Yet, they try to enforce whacky and often idiotic premises upon naive people with claims of knowledge, when they rely solely on faith.
Religious minds often lie.
ArmaFennica 3 months ago
@ArmaFennica This is a very bad assumption, at least from my own personal standpoint. I don't use God as a place filler for what I don't know. The science that I understand points me to God, not the science I don’t.
menacesta 3 months ago
@menacesta
"This is a very bad assumption, at least from my own personal standpoint."
>Then you are at odds with other christians.
"I don't use God as a place filler for what I don't know."
>You have displayed such behaviour right here.
"The science that I understand points me to God, not the science I don’t."
>That... requires some decent explanation from your part.
-See, scientific studies destroy the very basis of religious claims, and `religious science´ is a hoax wrapped in a lie.
ArmaFennica 3 months ago
@ArmaFennica What other Christians? Friend, you've implied that I'm a religious fanatic, who can't think for himself. But your assumptions are nothing more than that. Issac Newton, one of the greatest scientist that ever lived, was also a Christian and believed the same way about science. . So I think I'm in good company. He states that, "In the absence of any other proof, the thumb alone would convince me of God's existence." Well I enjoyed our conversation. I honestly I hope you find truth.
menacesta 3 months ago
@menacesta
"What other Christians?"
>Those who deny scientific research because those collide with their faith.
"Friend, you've implied that I'm a religious fanatic, who can't think for himself."
>Do read that part yet again, ystävä.
"But your assumptions are nothing more than that."
>Refrences please. Hard to tell towards which argument you counter.
"Issac Newton, one of the greatest scientist that ever lived, was also a Christian and believed the same way about science."
>'ere we go...
ArmaFennica 3 months ago
@menacesta
"Issac Newton, one of the greatest scientist that ever lived, was also a Christian and believed the same way about science."
>This is a very poor argument, as that era was against anything not christian. People of those times had to declare faith, even if they were agnostic. You'd know this, had you studied history wee bit more.
"So I think I'm in good company."
>Two centruries ago, maybe.
-These days, we do not have to please gigantic and very powerful church.
ArmaFennica 3 months ago
@menacesta
"He states that, "In the absence of any other proof, the thumb alone would convince me of God's existence.""
>How is that relevant to this?
-Evidence of that era compared to the scientific advances of our era.. do not compare.
"Well I enjoyed our conversation. I honestly I hope you find truth."
>Faith is not truth. Therefore it is you who is actually lost and in need of redemption.
-You have faith, therefore your faith overrules knowledge.
ArmaFennica 3 months ago
@menacesta
"Couldn’t a group of people with one theory be wrong as well?"
>Of course. That is why the theories are studied by other scientists, scrutinized to the absolute limits.
-Scientific method is a dog-eat dog realm, not a series of contracts.
Also, the scientific theories most often overlap, do remember that.
"I never said that the universe is easy to understand."
>Most faith-based systems do dumb it down. Personalization and oversimplification is usually involved.
ArmaFennica 3 months ago
I hope I can say God bless you! without offending you!
You will need Him before your 'natural' death! because.. after that..it is eternal separation from Him..no chance of ever getting your life right with Him!
You'll have the awful experience of ending up in a pit with other evolutionists!
for eternity! Not for me! I know who I would rather be with ..for ever!
So far I have not found one atheist/evolutionist who can explain death, disease,
defilement and the supernatural dimension. I can!
FindingJesusverytrue 4 months ago
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FindingJesusverytrue 4 months ago
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Your incredulity is not evidence for your religius opinions.
Sorry bud.
odinata 4 months ago
LOL @ the textwall comments.. god doesn't exists end of story :D cya..
PS : do u want proves?.. check in my pants
CloudoIX 5 months ago
@CloudoIX You are in your pants! and I expect that you are telling the world how you are describing yourself!
and the position you are in!
FindingJesusverytrue 4 months ago
@FindingJesusverytrue try harder
CloudoIX 4 months ago
finally a creationist who uses his brain!
anyway my answer is this: science does not take leaps based on faith, it simply stops where the evidence ends, makes hypothesis and then tries to prove them with more evidence as technology allows deeper investigation, if the new evidence is against the hypothesis science just drops it.
This is why science has a chance to find out what was prior to the big bang (even if it might take a few generations), religion doesn't.
eugeniobb 5 months ago
I just wish to say that this is a question for scientest, not atheist. Not every atheist is a scientest and vice versa. It's not because you can't explain something, that it needs to contributed to god. That is ofcourse your perogative, but if humankind would alway have continued to contribute unexplained things to a god, we would still be living in the stone age. You are asking questions that come from limited understanding. Research the latest in quantum and astrophysics to ask better question
cueballB 5 months ago