@krupiisthebest hes dad was put under house arrest but i dont think he was tortured atleast not physically maybe mentally...you might be talking about j.m kariuki or robert ouko they were both (at different)times taken to the forest tortured and killed..
for some of us whos parents brothers and sisters were lost because of mois rule there is no love lost...moi can take any abuse that goes his way the people we should be worrying about is not MOI but the poor who bought land and might be kicked out and how we/government can help them...
Why are we trying to glorify Moi! He is an elder blah blah blah but what he did is unforgivable. The problem with Kenyans is we forget too fast! Moi was responsible for the arrest and toture of very many pple who stood up and opposed him Odinga being one, He is also the root of the rot that is still in our systems! WE HAVE SHOWN RESPECT AND HE SHOULD BE GRATEFUL BECAUSE HE HASNT BEEN ARRESTED AND MADE TO STAND TRIAL FOR ALL HIS ILLS! OLD OR YOUNG IMPUNITY HAS TO BE ADDRESSED!
I come in peace to all of you. While Mau conservation area must be conserved, Moi must be respected as a former head of state and as a senior citizen. Lets not forget that in the 24 years that he held power, there are things that he did that future generations will be both appreciate and regret. One thing they will appreciate is stability and peace, and the other they might regret is land grabbing!
Thank you siasabora. You are a very reasonable person. Title deeds are government documents, tell me how many fake title deeds are in kenya. The government therefore knows the fake title deeds and if there is anyone with such kind of title in Mau, they should not waste time on him, just send GSU to him. There are also politically acquired titles, these should be another lot of people to be evicted, these are likes of Hosea kiplagat. Genuine title holders should be resettled and not compensated
Defending MOI is reducing the environmental debate to new lows! When Kiptoo says that this issue needs a more diplomatic approach i only laugh! MOI WAS NOT DIPLOMATIC ABOUT LAND GRABBING CORRUPTION AND ALL THE OTHER EVILS ASSOCIATED WITH HIS GOVERNMENT! This hogwash has to be stopped! Diplomatic ways? That man is a shame and disgrace to Kenya!
Kiptoo bone of contention was approach...read below his proposed strategy. I think it will be prudent if we ignored Moi for today after all they were all up there while Kenya degenerated this bad. Wananchi na nyasi ndiyo inaumia wadozi wakizusha. Peace.
I saw that clip Mr. thedee254. It was very well presented. Did you realize Rob Nagila did that research in a helicopter in probably one day. Well researched info in Mau would require much more than that. Let us leave the technicalities of Mau as a water tower or whatever to my understanding it is important because it serves 2 catchment basins in Kenya. Anyway I just think the approach will reinvent the wheel of tribal hatred revenge. But I support conservation of Mau and civilized resettlement
thedoncheda na Kiptoo both of you, I don't see why you are fighting. In principle we are all agreed watu watoke Mau. Now Kiptoo tell us should big settlers in Mau who 'own' Four Thousand Acres a piece, seriously, be compensated? If yes tell us who foots that bill. Those with legitimate T-Deeds e.g. Ogiek and resettled squatters are the only exception, in my (n many others) opinion!
@ thedoncheda: SCREW YOUR ASS if you don't like my opinions. You seem to be one of them, You cant silence a free mind. Put your point forward instead of telling me to shut up. I am entitled to my opinion without intimidation or abuse. Cheers brother
....Linking loss of Mau destruction to lack of rain is scare politics because there is no single scientific paper to prove this, if anyone knows one please enlighten me, I know many will not concur with this but just zeroing in lack of rain in kenya specifically to destruction of mau will not pass any scientific test. This is why I am on Mois side. Its not about Kalenjin or anything but if anyone thinks so then so be it.
jeptoo ina onekana kua una nuzu shamba hapo yenye ulipewa na moi na ujue from today tinga is in stomatch of bwana kuku na mtarudisha kime umana hehehe, hardcore.
........Now Guys Moi here does not oppose conservation or eviction or whatever the Government wants to do with Mau. According to him THE APPROACH TO THE ISSUE IS KIENYEJI, HE APPEALS FOR A PRAGMATIC AND PROFESSIONAL APPROACH... .....
Let me quote Moi on the Mau issue. He said Juu ya Mau. Watu wanasema juu ya Mau kama kwamba chanzo cha ukosefu wa mvua kila mahali katika Kenya ni Mau, mpaka watu wanaanza kua na fikira mbali mbali. He goes on to say that He does not endorse Government approach on this problem. He then says that lazima namna ya kuongea mambo haya ni kuzungumuza kikamiilifu
He then said how the first allocation was done in Kenyatta's regime...........
@Kiptoo...Scare tactics? are you even reading what you write? Robert Nagila had a simple yet educative clip on how lack of rainfall in some parts of the country is due to the destruction of the Mau and no scientific paper is needed FOR ONE TO KNOW MAU IS EAST AFRICA'S BIGGEST WATER TOWER, THE SOURCE OF VERY MANY RIVER: NJORO THAT FEEDS THE ALMOST EXTINCT LAKE NAKURU, THE MARA RIVER WHICH IS PART OF THE 7 WONDERS OF THE MODERN WORLD ETC... HONESTLY WE ARE SMARTER THAN THAT.
@ thedee254: For God sake I am knowledgeable enough not to reason like the tribal cavemen so if you think Kiptoo or kipkemboi and link it with Moi, Ruto, Kalenjin for me you are absolutely wrong. Now on the worst politicians there are worst guys than moi because what moi did in 40 years kibaki did it in 5 years. It took as 5 years to raise kibaki is even more worse. But anyway sasa hio ni siasa mbaya, the issue here is mau
is it me or is it fishy for kiptoo and kipkemboi to come out strongly in support of MOi. MOi is the reason very many Kenyans suffered and he needs to be told off! He is a cancer that has to be dealt with accordingly and this tribal alignment has to stop! WE ALL KNOW WHAT RAILA IS SAYING IS THE TRUTH AND JUST BECAUSE HE IS AT LOGGER HEADS WITH RUTO AND MOI DOESNT MEAN HE IS AT LOGGER HEADS WITH THE WHOLE KALENJIN COMMUNITY! I THINK WE ARE FAR MORE INTELLIGENT THAN THAT! STOP THIS TRIBAL ALIGNMENT
Hey Siasabora!! OK I am back to defend my opinions.... What is can say is Raila is a good man but he is trying to push the buttons before reading the manual. He is likely to blow the fuse of not get stuff working all together. Hawa watu si wazuri, they are not helping us yet we just yelling around what they say. We should think out of the box. we have known the Kenyan political game long enough to figure out our welfare is not looked after, so don't be hoodwinked by Mau issue.
I concur Kiptoo; All Politicians,irrespective of race, ethnicity, region, education, vision, are first and foremost Crooks! The trick here is how you and I hold them accountable as to how they manage our affairs! Remember it's our money our land our sweat these crooks pretend they are giving us free! Its our collective right! They do us no favors! God, we even pay them to steal from us!!!
@KIPTOO Moi will go down in history as one of the worst politicians in kenya! Aligning urself with him now because the eviction of the folks in the Mau complex is percieved as an attack on the Kalenjin community is a testament of just how tribal kenya is! The world over politicians are held accountable and told off for their wrongs! Being blinded by tribal passion and denying the hunger and suffering brought by the drying up of kenya thanx to the distruction of Mau is SAD SAD SAD!
@ slytheron: Bring it on!!! If by any chance I was given to head kenya for 2 minutes, I would put you into Firing squad. Because you very are tribal. Vengence will never take us anywhere
@jameskiptoo mau has always been there and its degradation has always been happening that doesnt mean its ok to continue degrading the mau... pollution has always been there ever since the industrial revolution so why is it the world is taking steps to address industrial polution now..?? ask yourself this question...
some people will never learn... when mau will be a desert will see people crying and asking for aid eti tuna njaa.... the government of kenya should not recognize any title deed that was acquired by underhand means. the law was made for man,man was never made for the law.. your argument is like saying because hitler won the popular vote whatever he did was ok as he was a popularly elected president..
How safe are you with your land that the next regime will come up with a politically romanticized terminologies like "The Northern Bypass" or The Mau complex" to evict you form your land. All this bullshit is political game. There are bigger problems to be addressed. I SUPPORT MOI 101% ON THE MAU ISSUE
Kiptoo: I wish I knew who your Geography teacher was...I would lead mass protests to have him sacked from TSC payroll. He is the single most dangerous teacher in all Kenya!
Mr Siasabora, I understand where you are coming from. It may be very hard for you and most the majority to get it. Mau has always been there and Mau will continue to be there but why make a big fuss about it now. If Raila did not raise the issue of Mau, nobody else would (maybe wangari maathai) It is true and I know that mau has been screwed up. BUT this is a Raila political project. I dont oppose it but I am against the over politicization of the issue. Just listen to what Moi said about it.
@jameskiptoo mau has always been there and its degradation has always been happening that doesnt mean its ok to continue degrading the mau... pollution has always been there ever since the industrail revolution so why is it the world is taking steps to address industrial polution now..?? ask yourself this question...
I know you don't want people to Know your unlce is the so called William Ruto.
But you know what? All evil things must come to light, and now is the time. Sorry if the timing isn't convenient for you and your relatives, but reform is never comfortable for those who've been stealing from their country.
Raila is beeing extremly reckless with his Mouth....This is very chilling...such line of utterance can plunge a counry into crisis in a second...He should take it easy..Yes..Moi is wrong and did many wrong things..but there is a diplomatic way of handling things...you never hear Kibaki talking this way coz he is wise..
oye darkstar i was thinking that u are astar, kumbe ni bure tu kabisa ,kwa nini ukweli ina ku uma kwani wewe ana ogopanana eti uwezi kuzema ukwali. na uki ongoja ka kuna mtu ata bwa hiyo mambo ya moi .uta ongoja mpaka uta ona min omolo kanyunja kakalo ok so if you have anglo u to dont coment ok.
my comments are not realy about Railas comment on Moi..I support Raila 100%..but however it looks like he is abit reckless with his tongue...You can feel the Tone in his voice...If he was president now with his Kind of reasoning..Kenya would be at war with Uganda over Migingo...thats what I am talking about..Raila is trigger happy with his mouth...
I think he is being as diplomatic as he can be with a rabid dog like Moi. The man still has the guts to talk after messing up our country so badly!! Why haven't I seen you saying anything about that?
Wasnt the same Raila the one working with Moi as a Minister as they "Messed up " the country. Wasnt the same Raila praising Moi like gospel some times back? ..What changed? Wasnt the same Raila in the same Govt that gave away 12,000 title deeds in 2005 ( by Kibaki)? where was Raila?? This uncircumcised boy is just playing politics.
We wacha porojo!!!! I think you forget what politicians are; they aren't saints. He was working an angle but it didn't work out. But if you wanna blame the guy for his few months with Moi compared to 24 yrs of utter blasphemy against the Kenyan people, well go ahead.
Moi shagged with everybody Kibaki Raila Kalonzo the whole lot. Yu can not hold them responsible for the mess. Moi was responsible it was his duty to protect lives and properties Raila couldn't have done that from the sidelines. Moi failed as the buck stopped with him.
@ SIASABORA YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH THAT! The truth is MOi and his cronies should be held accountable and told off! They are now trying to rally the Kalenjin people behind them and making it seem like evicting the folk from Mau is an attack on the whole Kalenjin community! LET US BE RESPONISSIBLE AND REALIZE OUR COUNTRY'S ENVIRONMENT IS BEING DESTROYED AND WE NEED TO PROTECT IT FOR OUR CHILDREN, TRIBES ASIDE!
Kawaida ya Kenyans. Today we are all his people coz Moi isn't from our tribe. But let hims say the truth about one of our own, we will declare him persona non grata, and blacklist him from all our ugali parties, and give him nusu kapeti. Also he is a breaker of parties, but only when he criticises "us".
swine i think that u are not areal kenyan ok ,the land that u are talking abuot .can i correct u this land its belong to odingas familly iklong pat opuk ga gwata. fitina ni ya nini na uki onekana aina hiyo lazima wewe ni kumbavu tu.
hahahahah. That's so old. No rivers have dried up since he acquired that land. And no one has ever proven he stole it. It's just brought up whenever Raila does his job. Your ass hurt much?
This the Raila I used to know when Kenya was united those days of Kina Muite, Kathangu, Anyona, Dr Ooko Ombaka, Bahmariz, Kijana Wamalwa and all other second freedom fighers. But same Moi corrupted them to shut them up
While I dont agree 100% with what he says, I have to say that Raila is a very eloquent speaker..He's a very motivating speaker
ashy6793 1 year ago
Raila you r tha one to back off there no matapiko ya moi may be ya tha matapiko you need to be clean coz ya full of shit...think ashlock
Kiihuri 2 years ago
lol
Kalaherra 2 years ago
jaluo wewe achana na baba moi unasikia? tuta tengeneza wewe
KIPLETING 2 years ago
@KIPLETING nyayo will long b gone when we are suffering from droughts
tamaduni 1 year ago
@krupiisthebest hes dad was put under house arrest but i dont think he was tortured atleast not physically maybe mentally...you might be talking about j.m kariuki or robert ouko they were both (at different)times taken to the forest tortured and killed..
OTIENDEJAKOYUGI 2 years ago
for some of us whos parents brothers and sisters were lost because of mois rule there is no love lost...moi can take any abuse that goes his way the people we should be worrying about is not MOI but the poor who bought land and might be kicked out and how we/government can help them...
OTIENDEJAKOYUGI 2 years ago
Why are we trying to glorify Moi! He is an elder blah blah blah but what he did is unforgivable. The problem with Kenyans is we forget too fast! Moi was responsible for the arrest and toture of very many pple who stood up and opposed him Odinga being one, He is also the root of the rot that is still in our systems! WE HAVE SHOWN RESPECT AND HE SHOULD BE GRATEFUL BECAUSE HE HASNT BEEN ARRESTED AND MADE TO STAND TRIAL FOR ALL HIS ILLS! OLD OR YOUNG IMPUNITY HAS TO BE ADDRESSED!
thedee254 2 years ago
it's time Kalenjins were allowed to hit the dust ASAP.
freegastanker1 2 years ago
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jameskiptoo 2 years ago
@ freegastanker1: Another caveman. Utangoja
jameskiptoo 2 years ago
I come in peace to all of you. While Mau conservation area must be conserved, Moi must be respected as a former head of state and as a senior citizen. Lets not forget that in the 24 years that he held power, there are things that he did that future generations will be both appreciate and regret. One thing they will appreciate is stability and peace, and the other they might regret is land grabbing!
Feisal254 2 years ago
Kenyan Politics is funny for real ... Kweli Baba Moi has met his match ....
kenyandamu 2 years ago
Thank you siasabora. You are a very reasonable person. Title deeds are government documents, tell me how many fake title deeds are in kenya. The government therefore knows the fake title deeds and if there is anyone with such kind of title in Mau, they should not waste time on him, just send GSU to him. There are also politically acquired titles, these should be another lot of people to be evicted, these are likes of Hosea kiplagat. Genuine title holders should be resettled and not compensated
jameskiptoo 2 years ago
Defending MOI is reducing the environmental debate to new lows! When Kiptoo says that this issue needs a more diplomatic approach i only laugh! MOI WAS NOT DIPLOMATIC ABOUT LAND GRABBING CORRUPTION AND ALL THE OTHER EVILS ASSOCIATED WITH HIS GOVERNMENT! This hogwash has to be stopped! Diplomatic ways? That man is a shame and disgrace to Kenya!
thedee254 2 years ago
Kiptoo bone of contention was approach...read below his proposed strategy. I think it will be prudent if we ignored Moi for today after all they were all up there while Kenya degenerated this bad. Wananchi na nyasi ndiyo inaumia wadozi wakizusha. Peace.
siasabora 2 years ago
Moi sasa anyamaze. He brought all thse problems. it's about time Moi met his match!
freegastanker1 2 years ago
Siasabora you have been a good moderator and have been objective in all this debate. Good on you brother. I would go by your verdict any time.
jameskiptoo 2 years ago
Moi pia atakwenda The Hague? Si hata yeye aliua watu wengi sana!!
MamboBado2010 2 years ago
I saw that clip Mr. thedee254. It was very well presented. Did you realize Rob Nagila did that research in a helicopter in probably one day. Well researched info in Mau would require much more than that. Let us leave the technicalities of Mau as a water tower or whatever to my understanding it is important because it serves 2 catchment basins in Kenya. Anyway I just think the approach will reinvent the wheel of tribal hatred revenge. But I support conservation of Mau and civilized resettlement
jameskiptoo 2 years ago
Game Shot!
Kiptoo is now cleared to run as MP in his home constituency. This is the change we been looking forward to! Honestly if we get
more Kenyans debating, disagreeing to finally agree we are in!
siasabora 2 years ago
thedoncheda na Kiptoo both of you, I don't see why you are fighting. In principle we are all agreed watu watoke Mau. Now Kiptoo tell us should big settlers in Mau who 'own' Four Thousand Acres a piece, seriously, be compensated? If yes tell us who foots that bill. Those with legitimate T-Deeds e.g. Ogiek and resettled squatters are the only exception, in my (n many others) opinion!
siasabora 2 years ago
@ thedoncheda: SCREW YOUR ASS if you don't like my opinions. You seem to be one of them, You cant silence a free mind. Put your point forward instead of telling me to shut up. I am entitled to my opinion without intimidation or abuse. Cheers brother
jameskiptoo 2 years ago
....Linking loss of Mau destruction to lack of rain is scare politics because there is no single scientific paper to prove this, if anyone knows one please enlighten me, I know many will not concur with this but just zeroing in lack of rain in kenya specifically to destruction of mau will not pass any scientific test. This is why I am on Mois side. Its not about Kalenjin or anything but if anyone thinks so then so be it.
jameskiptoo 2 years ago
jeptoo ina onekana kua una nuzu shamba hapo yenye ulipewa na moi na ujue from today tinga is in stomatch of bwana kuku na mtarudisha kime umana hehehe, hardcore.
jamanyoro 2 years ago
osiepna nilipeana hio robo eka kwa serikal. sasa mimi ni raia mwema. sasa tahamia migingo kuanza biasara ya smaki.
jameskiptoo 2 years ago
........Now Guys Moi here does not oppose conservation or eviction or whatever the Government wants to do with Mau. According to him THE APPROACH TO THE ISSUE IS KIENYEJI, HE APPEALS FOR A PRAGMATIC AND PROFESSIONAL APPROACH... .....
jameskiptoo 2 years ago
Let me quote Moi on the Mau issue. He said Juu ya Mau. Watu wanasema juu ya Mau kama kwamba chanzo cha ukosefu wa mvua kila mahali katika Kenya ni Mau, mpaka watu wanaanza kua na fikira mbali mbali. He goes on to say that He does not endorse Government approach on this problem. He then says that lazima namna ya kuongea mambo haya ni kuzungumuza kikamiilifu
He then said how the first allocation was done in Kenyatta's regime...........
jameskiptoo 2 years ago
@Kiptoo...Scare tactics? are you even reading what you write? Robert Nagila had a simple yet educative clip on how lack of rainfall in some parts of the country is due to the destruction of the Mau and no scientific paper is needed FOR ONE TO KNOW MAU IS EAST AFRICA'S BIGGEST WATER TOWER, THE SOURCE OF VERY MANY RIVER: NJORO THAT FEEDS THE ALMOST EXTINCT LAKE NAKURU, THE MARA RIVER WHICH IS PART OF THE 7 WONDERS OF THE MODERN WORLD ETC... HONESTLY WE ARE SMARTER THAN THAT.
thedee254 2 years ago
@ thedee254: For God sake I am knowledgeable enough not to reason like the tribal cavemen so if you think Kiptoo or kipkemboi and link it with Moi, Ruto, Kalenjin for me you are absolutely wrong. Now on the worst politicians there are worst guys than moi because what moi did in 40 years kibaki did it in 5 years. It took as 5 years to raise kibaki is even more worse. But anyway sasa hio ni siasa mbaya, the issue here is mau
jameskiptoo 2 years ago
is it me or is it fishy for kiptoo and kipkemboi to come out strongly in support of MOi. MOi is the reason very many Kenyans suffered and he needs to be told off! He is a cancer that has to be dealt with accordingly and this tribal alignment has to stop! WE ALL KNOW WHAT RAILA IS SAYING IS THE TRUTH AND JUST BECAUSE HE IS AT LOGGER HEADS WITH RUTO AND MOI DOESNT MEAN HE IS AT LOGGER HEADS WITH THE WHOLE KALENJIN COMMUNITY! I THINK WE ARE FAR MORE INTELLIGENT THAN THAT! STOP THIS TRIBAL ALIGNMENT
thedee254 2 years ago 2
Politicians need to watch how and what they say. Such careless talk need from politicians needs to stop.
Kipkemboi72 2 years ago
Tinga wapi? Tinga juu! Raila for president!
Feisal254 2 years ago
Hey Siasabora!! OK I am back to defend my opinions.... What is can say is Raila is a good man but he is trying to push the buttons before reading the manual. He is likely to blow the fuse of not get stuff working all together. Hawa watu si wazuri, they are not helping us yet we just yelling around what they say. We should think out of the box. we have known the Kenyan political game long enough to figure out our welfare is not looked after, so don't be hoodwinked by Mau issue.
jameskiptoo 2 years ago
I concur Kiptoo; All Politicians,irrespective of race, ethnicity, region, education, vision, are first and foremost Crooks! The trick here is how you and I hold them accountable as to how they manage our affairs! Remember it's our money our land our sweat these crooks pretend they are giving us free! Its our collective right! They do us no favors! God, we even pay them to steal from us!!!
siasabora 2 years ago
My parting shot "Mau Haitaongeza ugali kwa meza"
jameskiptoo 2 years ago
Hey Kip..Don't leave the forum! Stay on! Man, yu can't just call off like that....
siasabora 2 years ago
@KIPTOO Moi will go down in history as one of the worst politicians in kenya! Aligning urself with him now because the eviction of the folks in the Mau complex is percieved as an attack on the Kalenjin community is a testament of just how tribal kenya is! The world over politicians are held accountable and told off for their wrongs! Being blinded by tribal passion and denying the hunger and suffering brought by the drying up of kenya thanx to the distruction of Mau is SAD SAD SAD!
thedee254 2 years ago 2
@ slytheron: Bring it on!!! If by any chance I was given to head kenya for 2 minutes, I would put you into Firing squad. Because you very are tribal. Vengence will never take us anywhere
jameskiptoo 2 years ago
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@jameskiptoo mau has always been there and its degradation has always been happening that doesnt mean its ok to continue degrading the mau... pollution has always been there ever since the industrial revolution so why is it the world is taking steps to address industrial polution now..?? ask yourself this question...
OTIENDEJAKOYUGI 2 years ago
some people will never learn... when mau will be a desert will see people crying and asking for aid eti tuna njaa.... the government of kenya should not recognize any title deed that was acquired by underhand means. the law was made for man,man was never made for the law.. your argument is like saying because hitler won the popular vote whatever he did was ok as he was a popularly elected president..
OTIENDEJAKOYUGI 2 years ago
This is the type of leadership we need, go PM RAILA, WE SUPPORT U 100%.
cckoros 2 years ago 2
Now i believe raila is a mutongoria njamba.
Many things can be said about this dude, but he has my 100% on dis.
kongo30 2 years ago
How safe are you with your land that the next regime will come up with a politically romanticized terminologies like "The Northern Bypass" or The Mau complex" to evict you form your land. All this bullshit is political game. There are bigger problems to be addressed. I SUPPORT MOI 101% ON THE MAU ISSUE
jameskiptoo 2 years ago
Kiptoo: I wish I knew who your Geography teacher was...I would lead mass protests to have him sacked from TSC payroll. He is the single most dangerous teacher in all Kenya!
siasabora 2 years ago 2
Mr Siasabora, I understand where you are coming from. It may be very hard for you and most the majority to get it. Mau has always been there and Mau will continue to be there but why make a big fuss about it now. If Raila did not raise the issue of Mau, nobody else would (maybe wangari maathai) It is true and I know that mau has been screwed up. BUT this is a Raila political project. I dont oppose it but I am against the over politicization of the issue. Just listen to what Moi said about it.
jameskiptoo 2 years ago
@jameskiptoo mau has always been there and its degradation has always been happening that doesnt mean its ok to continue degrading the mau... pollution has always been there ever since the industrail revolution so why is it the world is taking steps to address industrial polution now..?? ask yourself this question...
OTIENDEJAKOYUGI 2 years ago
I know you don't want people to Know your unlce is the so called William Ruto.
But you know what? All evil things must come to light, and now is the time. Sorry if the timing isn't convenient for you and your relatives, but reform is never comfortable for those who've been stealing from their country.
slytheron 2 years ago
Raila is beeing extremly reckless with his Mouth....This is very chilling...such line of utterance can plunge a counry into crisis in a second...He should take it easy..Yes..Moi is wrong and did many wrong things..but there is a diplomatic way of handling things...you never hear Kibaki talking this way coz he is wise..
MrDarkstar777 2 years ago
oye darkstar i was thinking that u are astar, kumbe ni bure tu kabisa ,kwa nini ukweli ina ku uma kwani wewe ana ogopanana eti uwezi kuzema ukwali. na uki ongoja ka kuna mtu ata bwa hiyo mambo ya moi .uta ongoja mpaka uta ona min omolo kanyunja kakalo ok so if you have anglo u to dont coment ok.
jamanyoro 2 years ago
my comments are not realy about Railas comment on Moi..I support Raila 100%..but however it looks like he is abit reckless with his tongue...You can feel the Tone in his voice...If he was president now with his Kind of reasoning..Kenya would be at war with Uganda over Migingo...thats what I am talking about..Raila is trigger happy with his mouth...
MrDarkstar777 2 years ago
I think he is being as diplomatic as he can be with a rabid dog like Moi. The man still has the guts to talk after messing up our country so badly!! Why haven't I seen you saying anything about that?
slytheron 2 years ago
Wasnt the same Raila the one working with Moi as a Minister as they "Messed up " the country. Wasnt the same Raila praising Moi like gospel some times back? ..What changed? Wasnt the same Raila in the same Govt that gave away 12,000 title deeds in 2005 ( by Kibaki)? where was Raila?? This uncircumcised boy is just playing politics.
TheTalkpage 2 years ago
We wacha porojo!!!! I think you forget what politicians are; they aren't saints. He was working an angle but it didn't work out. But if you wanna blame the guy for his few months with Moi compared to 24 yrs of utter blasphemy against the Kenyan people, well go ahead.
slytheron 2 years ago
you must be the most stupid of all your father's seeds! you reason like a total idiot.....! no wonder you are still the way you are!
bgcorp1 2 years ago
Moi shagged with everybody Kibaki Raila Kalonzo the whole lot. Yu can not hold them responsible for the mess. Moi was responsible it was his duty to protect lives and properties Raila couldn't have done that from the sidelines. Moi failed as the buck stopped with him.
siasabora 2 years ago
@ SIASABORA YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH THAT! The truth is MOi and his cronies should be held accountable and told off! They are now trying to rally the Kalenjin people behind them and making it seem like evicting the folk from Mau is an attack on the whole Kalenjin community! LET US BE RESPONISSIBLE AND REALIZE OUR COUNTRY'S ENVIRONMENT IS BEING DESTROYED AND WE NEED TO PROTECT IT FOR OUR CHILDREN, TRIBES ASIDE!
thedee254 2 years ago
Any doubts about Raila sincererity has been vindicated after watching this video. He has said it as it should and am now his disciple. AGWABO !!!
wahanah 2 years ago
Kawaida ya Kenyans. Today we are all his people coz Moi isn't from our tribe. But let hims say the truth about one of our own, we will declare him persona non grata, and blacklist him from all our ugali parties, and give him nusu kapeti. Also he is a breaker of parties, but only when he criticises "us".
slytheron 2 years ago
You're right all these problems were caused by MOI and he shouldn't talk his nonesense, shame on him.
apongkor 2 years ago
Will Raila be evicted from the 200 acre land where Molasses plant is established.
Swinefluization 2 years ago
swine i think that u are not areal kenyan ok ,the land that u are talking abuot .can i correct u this land its belong to odingas familly iklong pat opuk ga gwata. fitina ni ya nini na uki onekana aina hiyo lazima wewe ni kumbavu tu.
jamanyoro 2 years ago
Jamanyoro: Leo umewaka gani? Take a nap
halafu urudi. Friends don't let Friends do crap
after too many Budd Kools.
siasabora 2 years ago
say what????
slytheron 2 years ago
He should be. But let him go after these crooks first. we will touch base on that later on.
freegastanker1 2 years ago
@ Swinefluization .....very good question !!
wachaushenzi 2 years ago
hahahahah. That's so old. No rivers have dried up since he acquired that land. And no one has ever proven he stole it. It's just brought up whenever Raila does his job. Your ass hurt much?
slytheron 2 years ago
moi talks yet his own people barricaded and burn his house in baringo.talk to your villegers first before you come national
yesuwangu 2 years ago
moi lets kenyans deside ok, ou emekua mbwa wakutabika na kulamba matabiko yako na uki onekana ainahiyo lazima wewe moi ni kumbavu dole pm.
jamanyoro 2 years ago
This the Raila I used to know when Kenya was united those days of Kina Muite, Kathangu, Anyona, Dr Ooko Ombaka, Bahmariz, Kijana Wamalwa and all other second freedom fighers. But same Moi corrupted them to shut them up
deemkati 2 years ago 2
YES moi need 2 keep quiet period let kenya clean his mess in peace!
wanjem 2 years ago 2
hehehehehehehe boy oh boy!
That is my PM right there!
siasabora 2 years ago
I might be with you right there.
samatar44 2 years ago
That's what I'm talking about! Kenya moja!!
freegastanker1 2 years ago
It's time Raila sodomized Moi, Ruto and their militia over Mau. Hehehehehehe It doesn't get better than this! lol
freegastanker1 2 years ago