World update on the persecuted church April 2009

[EntinludeX]

43,000,000 Chinese dies in the Great Chinese famine in 3 years and 4,000,000 died in a single flood.

Oh, nevermind the supposed infanticide and genocide of "wicked people" in your mythological flood.

Sympathy for those who propose doubting their claims leads to eternal torture? Unlikely.

[EntinludeX]

Christians...the largest faith on the planet crying about persecution? You must be joking.

Why all the outrage and surprise? You people sure don't ACT like all of their deaths weren't just part of a perfectly divine plan.

It just sounds like you have a collective persecution complex. Talk about crying all the way to victory. What absurd magical superstitions.

[FillTheirVoid]

Actually, I think it was something like 45,000,000 Christians who were murdered for their faith in the 20th century. We've endured worse than the holocaust, and we don't hate anyone who has done these things to us. We care for our brothers and sisters, this video is produced by Christians for Christians.

[EntinludeX]

Exactly this video was for by Christians for Christians to feed their persecution complex and bolster comradeship regardless of the absurdity of your magical superstition.

As if your persecution at all justified your magical superstitious beliefs. As I said, the worlds largest faith (33% of all world faiths) crying and bitching it's way to victory as if all were not part of a supposedly divine plan to begin with. Cry me a river.

Hush FTV, you should know better than to talk to me at all.

[FillTheirVoid]

The persecution is actually happening, we aren't making things up. 45,000,000 Christians in the last 100 years is not a minor incident.

We're not crying to you, this is a video produced by Christians for Christians. We don't want or need your support or approval.

Stop trolling.

[EntinludeX]

The amount of people who beleive in a myth do not validate that myth. I said Christianity is a MYTH, not an ACCIDENT.

Learn the difference.

[FillTheirVoid]

Your comment doesn't even make sense, your brain is thinking of things which are not even relevant to this discussion, hardly trustworthy.

I said incident, not accident ...

[EntinludeX]

I don't need your approval to pass judgment on the absurdity of crying about Christian persecution, when clearly it's grown to be the worlds largest minority of practiced mythologies (30% of world faiths) . Is that the strategy? Bitch and moan to victory?

Besides according to your mythology 45,000,000 murdered Christians is clearly part of a divine plan and they supposedly in a better place now anyways? Let go and let god, right? So why all the fuss?

Keep feeding that sadistic complex.

[FillTheirVoid]

These are not mere deaths but murders, because of their faith.

Your judgment is meaningless, and so is your opinion, you're nobody. Once again, this video is not even addressed to you ... we're not crying to you.

We will not have victory by numbers, or our own power. Or by pleading to anyone other than God.

It's part of God's plan that we would suffer, however, believers supporting one another throughout that is also part of His plan. We are meant to care for one another.

[EntinludeX]

A murder is a kind of death, genius.

WHY they were murdered is totally besides the point , especially if every single death ever is just part of "THE PLAN" as u claim.

So why do you need to support one another?? Why arch an eyebrow of concern at all? Clearly it's all taken care of, right?

So quitcherbitchin' and actually SHOW some faith, or cry like hypocrites.

I'm clearly somebody. Nobody is nobody.

My judgments & opinions are valid.

Dismissing them shows ur intellectual dishonesty.

[FillTheirVoid]

They were murdered, there is a difference, and the reason for their murder is relevant.

we don't necessarily entirely need to, however this is the way God wants it. We are indeed commanded to love one another and to support one another. This is part of God's plan. Ultimately everything is indeed taken care of.

Well they're faithful unto death, and once again ... we're not coming to you for anything.

Who said your opinions are valid? You? Men? Hardly impressive, you're totally insignificant.

[EntinludeX]

No, there are different types of deaths and murder is just one type of death.

Who said YOUR opinions were valid? The magical thing that PLANNED 4,000,000 deaths over 100 years? LOL

No, their murders must not be relevant at all, everyone is equally insignificant, in respect to their part to play in THE PLAN.

Their murders are just part of "THE PLAN".

Accept THE PLAN.

Love THE PLAN.

Never question THE PLAN.

You actually have to be COMMANDED to love and support one another? ROFL. How sad.

[FillTheirVoid]

My opinions aren't necessarily valid and I'm just as insignificant as you are. I'm not claiming to be the one with all the answers ... only God is God.

I love the plan, it works out great for me, but most importantly for God. Gotta hate that God loves His own glory ... people can't stand that lol. I rejoice in it though, I say with john the baptist, He must increase and I must increase ... unto my joy! because our joy ... is Him.

[EntinludeX]

Now we're getting somewhere. You're as insignificant as I am.

I think you're somebody. I think your opinions mater. I just don't think they're VALID. Learn the difference.

I didn't say you had ALL the answers, I said the answers you do have aren't valid. You don't have to have ALL the answers to know a bad one. Learn the difference.

sure you CLAIM God is god? You've already admitted matters taken as truth without evidence(faith) cannot be studied or observed. So how do you know?

[FillTheirVoid]

I don't care what you think of me, I don't want recognition or approval from men, and certainly not from unbelievers. If you approved of my opinions, I would probably be on my way to hell. Thankfully that is obviously not the case.

[EntinludeX]

You don't want recognition or approval from other people? Clearly you want understanding from others and to be understood by others, just like everyone else. Don't be such a blatant hypocrite.

So you arrogantly assume you're NOT going to hell? What irony.

Hell is impossible to begin with so fortunately for you I think it's PAINFULLY OBVIOUS you're not going to hell either, since hell is mythological.

[EntinludeX]

You don't see anything at all sick, petty, shallow or twisted about Glory-Seeking at the cost of 4,000,000+ PLANNED Christian murders? Infact you love that plan so much you've become little more than an insignificant GROUPIE of that sadistic plan?

Clearly you don't understand that's exactly why you lack any morality espousing such superstitious nonsense.

Doesn't basking in someone elses glory seeking just reduce you to an insignificant groupy fanatic clinging on for scraps?

[bibliosca]

yes.if any man see his brother in need and do not give to him,how does the love of God dwell in that man.1 john

[errskin]

"It's part of God's plan that we would suffer" - wow, what a nice god. what a loving and merciful god. what in the hell is wrong with you! you think some all powerful loving god put you on this earth to suffer and you accept it!? this is insane!

[FillTheirVoid]

... Yes! Suffering for Christ is a gift out of love.

1 Peter 4:13 but rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when His glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

2 Corinthians 4:18 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory.

Romans 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

[errskin]

aww, christ is such a nice guy, he created you and totures you out of love, maybe he will be nice enough to send you to hell for picking the wrong religion.

[FillTheirVoid]

Yes indeed, He is a wonderful Lord. He won't send any believers to hell ...

[errskin]

what a wonderful guy, he sends billions of people to hell because they were raised to believe in the wrong god. its a good thing you were brought up to beleive in the right god.

[FillTheirVoid]

Indeed, the Lord is very good and holy and righteous and most merciful and loving.

He sends sinners to hell who have turned away from Him and done evil.

I wasn't raised a Christian. Furthermore, God is able to save people from diverse backgrounds.

[errskin]

wow, you are full of crap. you keep repeating rhetoric about god being good and ignoring all the evil he does. he sends people to hell for not beleiving, he tortures believers and calls it a gift, he doesn't destroy evil when he could, he is able to save everyone but he doesn't. instead, the majority of the population of earth gets sent to hell even though the only reason people do or dont believe in him is the way in which they were raised. and you wont even ackowledge this comment.

[FillTheirVoid]

First of all, you as a mere creature cannot judge or condemn the actions of the Creator. It's illogical, irrational, arrogant and delusional.

God does no evil, all of His judgments are righteous and good and just.

God sends people to hell because they are evildoers.

God allows us to suffer for His sake as a gift in that we will receive a greater reward and bring glory to Him. This brings us joy, and we are happy to partake in it.

God won't save everyone.

Your arguments fail.

[errskin]

"First of all, you as a mere creature cannot judge or condemn the actions of the Creator. It's illogical, irrational, arrogant and delusional." - its insane to make yourself believe that you are so dumb and insignificant that you cant question religious beliefs. its completely irrational to say that i cant judge the actions of god when i clearly can tell that they are wrong. i refuse to be ignorant, if god exists then he must answer to me.

[FillTheirVoid]

Actually, it's just a matter of knowing my place under the Creator. You don't know the things God knows, not even close. You are ignorant, and God will answer to your face.

God kills and condemns evildoers who's lives belong to Him in the first place. This is because He is just and good.

God sends unbelievers to hell on the basis of their evil works. The only way to be saved and to avoid damnation is by believing. Jesus said they are condemned already.

[errskin]

"Actually, it's just a matter of knowing my place under the Creator." - this is rhetoric designed to make you ignorant, to stop you frm questioning the insane ideas that religion tells you to believe.

"God kills and condemns evildoers..." - so hes not merciful?

"God sends unbelievers to hell on the basis of their evil works." - so its possible to not believe and not go to hell? im mean that i dont believe but i dont do anything evil. am i going to hell?

[FillTheirVoid]

Yes, it is a matter of knowing my place. God is our Creator, He is above us and much smarter than us. Furthermore, I do question ... just within my bounds which I recognize. I try not to be delusional enough to think myself better than the Creator.

Mercy is something which is graciously extended, not owed, and it is not obligatory to everyone all the time. A king might pardon someone and show mercy, that doesn't mean that unless everyone always is pardoned that he is unmerciful.

[errskin]

"I try not to be delusional enough to think myself better than the Creator." - i refuse to be ignorant, i will always question everything, you should to, if you dont then you are dumb.

"A king might pardon someone and show mercy, that doesn't mean that unless everyone always is pardoned that he is unmerciful." - so god isn't merciful, and you also accept the idea of kings. the bible says god is all merciful so thats contradictory, and kings are bad always.

[FillTheirVoid]

No, it does not make me dumb to recognize that I am unable to respond against the Creator. It's ignorant and arrogant to think that you can or may.

God is indeed merciful, but it is not always shown to everyone. God is all merciful to those who would turn to Him and believe in Christ. To those who persist in their sin and rebellion however, there will be punishment.

God is a perfect king, the only sovereign. His reign is righteous and all His ways are just.

[errskin]

"It's ignorant and arrogant to think that you can or may." - this is brainwashing, they told you not to question because he is better than you, dont you find that a little crazy?

"God is a perfect king, the only sovereign. His reign is righteous and all His ways are just." - this is rhetoric, and it doesn't make sense. god created man and god sends most of them to hell because they were raised in the wrong religion?

[FillTheirVoid]

No it isn't, common sense and logic told me this. Who is "they"? I question but within my bounds which I recognize.

Actually it makes perfect sense. God did create us, but we rebelled against Him and chose to do evil. For that we are justly punished.

[FillTheirVoid]

It's possible if you could be absolutely perfect from birth to death. God doesn't grade on a curve, His standard of morality is absolute perfection. Furthermore, why would you want to even be with God in heaven? Clearly you don't like Him very much.

You called God evil, that is evil and worthy of damnation alone. Not to mention all your other sins before Him, which are piling up, sin upon sin upon sin.

[errskin]

"God does no evil, all of His judgments are righteous and good and just." - this is rhetoric. god kills and tortures people.

"God sends people to hell because they are evildoers." - so you dont have to believe in god? you just have to be good and not evil? i thougt god sent non-believers to hell?

[errskin]

"God allows us to suffer for His sake as a gift in that we will receive a greater reward and bring glory to Him. This brings us joy, and we are happy to partake in it." - suffering brings you joy? god lets us suffer as a gift? you are happy to suffer? this doesn't make any sense!

"God won't save everyone." - which makes him evil. he can save everyone but he doesn't.

[FillTheirVoid]

Yes, suffering brings us great joy in the LORD.

1 James 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations.

Acts 5:41 they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name.

God let's His people suffer as a gift, in that we will glorify Him in it which gives us joy. It also refines us and is for our benefit.

God is in no way obligated to save any sinner. Clearly your perception of right and wrong is warped.

[etpark5]

God gives us free will that is why he doesn't save everyone, because some people don't even give him a chance.

[errskin]

if thats true then free will is an evil and terrible thing that god has willingly cursed us with.  he made us like this and he lets some of us go to hell???? thats evil, and its his fault by omission. if he has the power to save someone from hell and he doesn't then its completely his fault.

[etpark5]

no he wants us to prove that we love him and are worthy of going into heaven.

[errskin]

but he should know if we love him because he knows everything, proof would be irrelevent. and if we aren't worthy of going to heaven then its directly his fault since he is responsible for creating us the way we are.

[etpark5]

he does know that but love is an action. and if we love him we will act upon. he created us in his image and nobody is worthy enough to go to heaven. but because he died for our sins, he made a way for us to get there and all you have to do is accept him as your lord and savior, you spend all this time trying to disprove god when all he does is love you. i promise if you would give god a try you won't regret it. i have never met a Christian that regrets making the choice to follow God.

[errskin]

"he created us in his image and nobody is worthy enough to go to heaven." - this doesn't make sense.

"but because he died for our sins" - so he is dead?

"you spend all this time trying to disprove god" - false, logical fallacy, i never tried to disprove god.

"i have never met a Christian that regrets making the choice to follow God." - i never met a muslim who regretted following islam, or a hindu that regretted being a hindu, etc. what a stupid argument you made.

[EntinludeX]

Actually 45,000, 000 deaths in 100 years IS absolutely minor.

Especially when you consider birth rates double exponentially and when you consider the yearly natural disaster death tolls.

Clearly you wrestle with the gravity of large numbers in the face of "divine plans". LOL

[goochieguy]

isn't pakistan such a great example of traditionalist theocratic fundamentalist society?

[TouchedbyHim]

Father God, please watch over these sweet people and keep them safe, in Jesus' precious name. Amen~

[XiaoFury]

those Christians are very courageous. They may not know how courageous they actually are. You are in my prayers!

[bibliosca]

if you have of this worlds goods, and see your brother in need, and do not give to him, how does the love of God dwell in that man.see.1 John ch1-ch5

[bibliosca]

Jesus said,to the hypocrytes, depart from me ye wicked, for when i was hungry, you gave me no food,thirsty and you gave me no drink,naked sand you clothed me not,sick and in prison and you visited me not.